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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. On the other

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Speaker 1: screen is Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from different

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Speaker 1: locations here at lambeau Field, and it is Thursday, which

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Speaker 1: is also schedule release day in the NFL, And while

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Speaker 1: things are being prepped and discussed and talked about in

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Speaker 1: anticipation of the evening NFL Network show on the schedule,

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Speaker 1: we are going to put off talking about the schedule

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Speaker 1: until our next show because, actually, Wes, there was an

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Speaker 1: interesting off season day at Lambeaufield on Wednesday, the kind

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Speaker 1: of day that doesn't happen all the time. And what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, of course, is the first news conference

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Speaker 1: for a new QB one here in Green Bay. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love addressed the media in the lambel Field Auditorium along

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Speaker 1: with teammates Kenny Clark and Aaron Jones, and just wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you for your impressions, your thoughts on Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love at the podium, not that we haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: there before, because he started a game. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: gotten some playing time and preseason games and all that

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Speaker 1: we've certainly you know, had many media sessions with him,

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Speaker 1: but this was the first time, you know, with the

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Speaker 2: So it's funny. This week, I've been going back over

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Speaker 2: some of the things I've written about Jordan Love over

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Speaker 2: the last three years, and I was going through a

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Speaker 2: profile that I did on him after the draft in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty and actually, as I found out while doing that,

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Speaker 2: Panini ripped off one of my quotes from that and

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Speaker 2: put it on their trading card. So I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: that without attribution. I may add, not better or anything,

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Speaker 2: but that quote that they took was from David Yost,

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Speaker 2: the former offensive coordinator at Utah State, and the quote

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Speaker 2: he gave me back for that story is one that

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Speaker 2: really resonated with me while he was at the podium

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, and it went like this, Mike, the kid

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Speaker 2: is always going to be even keeled if you think

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Speaker 2: any better, you know, listening to him, you would think

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Speaker 2: his heart rate is like at about thirty good, bad

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Speaker 2: or indifferent. Jordan Love is such. I mean, when you

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Speaker 2: talk about the construct of a quarterback NFL, college, high school,

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Speaker 2: whatever level you want to talk about, there is a

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Speaker 2: certain amount of confidence, a certain amount of quiet calmness

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Speaker 2: this level, and Jordan Love has that. Mike, you asked

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Speaker 2: me my perceptions, my thoughts, my my you know, takeaways

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Speaker 2: from Jordan Love's presser for seventeen minutes. I thought he

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Speaker 2: showed that he can be the face of this franchise.

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Speaker 2: I thought he showed he can be the one standing

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Speaker 2: up in front of the room and handling all types

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Speaker 2: of questions. Jordan Love was asked six different ways from

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Speaker 2: Sunday about handling pressure, and I felt like his comments

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Speaker 2: were very salient in that there's always pressure. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter if it's Aaron Rodgers, you're succeeding. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: if your first round pick, doesn't matter if you're Brock Purdy.

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Speaker 2: He didn't say that. I'm saying that the quarterback is

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Speaker 2: always going to have that on his shoulders. Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: is ready for that, Mike. And it was funny near

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Speaker 2: the end of the presser, Mike Clemens, one of the

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Speaker 2: you know, basically just just what's he like. And I

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Speaker 2: think to a certain extent. We do know what Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love is like. He is a guy that is going

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Speaker 2: to come in and he's going to do his job

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Speaker 2: with a personality that I think resonates with that locker room.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you something to talk about here. I won't

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Speaker 2: steal everything, but the comment that Aaron Jones gave us

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Speaker 2: to the character of both the man and also the

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Speaker 2: type of teammate that Jordan Love has been in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what struck me the most, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: wasn't struck by anything really in the press conference, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's because, you know, we did

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Speaker 1: as you said, he's he's an even keeled guy, and

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Speaker 1: That really is the guy that the Packers now have

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Speaker 1: He's he's just like, all right, you know, ask ask

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Speaker 1: give my honest answers and and uh, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: move on with with my day because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, he knows that it's not about what

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Speaker 1: it's the preparation he puts in, it's the way he

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Speaker 1: going out on Sundays and winning football games when September

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Speaker 1: he's focused on. And and uh, and yes, there is

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Speaker 1: going to be that that face of the franchise labeled

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Speaker 1: now that that he's the starting quarterback. But my favorite

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Speaker 1: line of of the whole thing is, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: to follow up on what you said when he was

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Speaker 1: asked all these different ways about pressure, because you know,

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Speaker 1: he's following a four time m v P. You know,

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Speaker 1: he he's only under contract for two more years, you know,

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Speaker 1: with that extension, so he has to he has to

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Speaker 1: prove himself and you know, the to for perhaps another

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Speaker 1: contract and the pressure that comes with that. And he

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Speaker 1: just said, you know, pressure, He's like, that's what I

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Speaker 1: signed up for. That's what you sign up for when

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Speaker 1: you decide to be a quarterback in the game of

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Speaker 1: football and make your way all the way to the

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Speaker 1: NFL to play the position. It comes with the territory.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the deal. And he totally understands that

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Speaker 1: he is not going to be He's not going to

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, I don't think he thinks about it. He

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Speaker 1: really he's focused on himself and he's focused on his teammates.

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Speaker 2: This kid, ultimately, and I should say young man, he's

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Speaker 2: not a kid. He's twenty four years old. But you know,

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Speaker 2: he's going to be judged by what he does on

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Speaker 2: that he was talking about how he needs to protect

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Speaker 2: himself in this twenty twenty three season. But one of

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Speaker 2: the big comments I've made to you during this whole

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Speaker 2: and the Green Bay Packers and what was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Is he going to leave after twenty Is he going

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Speaker 2: an extension with him? Jordan Love never made that situation

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Speaker 2: more difficult than it had to be. No One ever

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Speaker 2: thought about, well what does that mean for Jordan Love.

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Speaker 2: Love even said it. I think it was to your question.

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Speaker 2: You know, after Aaron signed the extension, that was probably

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Speaker 2: because now it's like, Okay, well I've put three years

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Speaker 2: not going to be the guy Then but again that's

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Speaker 2: not anything he raised really in the media. He's not

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones joked about it probably should have been seven. Uh,

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Speaker 2: But the kid was just always the same guy. I know,

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Speaker 2: Well for that day, he had to sit at his

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Speaker 2: full circle, when David Yos gave me that quote, you know,

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Speaker 2: you hear a lot of stuff. You and I will

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Speaker 2: they get drafted to Green Bay, and you'll hear all

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Speaker 2: sorts of things, some of them spot on some things,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe a little bit of you know, building

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Speaker 2: different information. David Yos's comments about that thirty Poulse Heartbeat,

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Speaker 2: and that's what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I need to clarify something here. So you're

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Speaker 1: saying that a quote that only appeared in your story

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Speaker 1: on Packers dot Com on Jordan Love showed up on

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Speaker 1: a Jordan Trading card trading card.

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Speaker 2: It's actually happened. It's happened three times now, believe it

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was cute the first time, but then

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Speaker 2: the next few it was like, oh wow, So Panini's

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Speaker 2: just ripping these things off. Okay, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess, uh they I guess they scour team

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Speaker 2: I like, at the very least, credit you or something,

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Speaker 2: or credit packers dot com, give us something, Panini, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just just ripping it and put it on the back,

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Speaker 2: because like again, if it would be a quote that

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Speaker 2: it's like all that was original content. Guys, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's what I wanted to clear. I mean,

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Speaker 1: media outlets, whatever the case might be, like that, that

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Speaker 1: feels a little different. But when it's something that's something

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Speaker 1: just that that seems that seems strange.

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Speaker 2: Do you know where it was solicited? Mike? Where it

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Speaker 2: was recorded in my bonus room at my house when

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Speaker 1: Panama Yeah, during Yeah, that's right, the post the post

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. Obviously, Aaron Jones spoke of you know, his

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Speaker 1: support for Jordan Love and and you know, really speaking

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Speaker 1: that uh, that this is a locker room that that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, you make so many good points in that,

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Speaker 2: offense are going to win at times, and if the

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Speaker 2: no question, but the important pieces. I think this is where,

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Speaker 2: and then when teams got on runs like Heineke did

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Speaker 2: a difficult time getting them off the field. That's going

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Speaker 2: to be the thing. Hey, team goes down, has a

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Speaker 2: twelve play drive eighty yards, seventy five yards, gets a touchdown. Cool,

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Speaker 2: whatever it happens. But the next series, you're looking for

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Speaker 2: three and outs, you're looking to stop them at midfield,

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Speaker 2: You're looking to get the ball back by in your direction.

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Speaker 2: That's where I think the Packers defense needs to get

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Speaker 2: to this season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's something that we'll be talking about, certainly

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Speaker 1: all through training camp and through the early portion of

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Speaker 1: the seasons as the offense makes the biggest transition it's

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Speaker 1: had to make in fifteen years here with moving on

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Speaker 1: to a new starting quarterback. So with that, we'll call

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Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. On

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Speaker 1: our next show, we will talk everything about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three schedule. We'll break it down from all sorts

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Speaker 1: of angles for you. But until then, for Wes, I

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Speaker 1: am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we

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Speaker 1: will see you next time.