Speaker 1: He didn't float. I guess he's guilty. It's one more
Speaker 1: thing I'm.
Speaker 2: Strong and getty one.
Speaker 1: Before we gets a medieval justice, which I had promised
Speaker 1: during the radio show.
Speaker 3: Is that your new midday judge show? Yeah, Judge Jack
Speaker 3: and Medieval Justice.
Speaker 1: Yes, where I use the justice system of the early
Speaker 1: teens thirteen fourteen hundreds. I mentioned on the radio show
Speaker 1: that I'm considering taking my son to Rolling Loud, California,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. It's a music festival in Inglewood, California
Speaker 1: at Hollywood Park Grounds. I don't know anything about this.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to research it, and that's why I threw
Speaker 1: it out to you listeners. Would it be safe to
Speaker 1: me to go with my son? He's a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old white kid. I imagine there'll be lots of fifteen
Speaker 1: year old white kids there. I don't know if there'll
Speaker 1: be many old white dudes my age there or not. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's Playboy, CARDI, Suicide Boy, Little TJ, Little TJ, yst Grizzly,
Speaker 1: Ken Carson. That's why my son wants to go, Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, Little Taylor, A bunch of other people I
Speaker 1: haven't heard of in neither of you probably, but you
Speaker 1: never know what stuff like this. It's either perfectly okay
Speaker 1: and it's as many suburban white kids uh and dads
Speaker 1: as it is you know, BIPOC people or whatever, and
Speaker 1: there's so much money to be made off of T
Speaker 1: shirts and expensive colas that it's incredibly safe and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, or it could be a guaranteed shooting outside
Speaker 1: after the lights go down. I shouldn't be there, and
Speaker 1: I have no idea which right mm, And I threw
Speaker 1: it out there for people with their suggestions. I can
Speaker 1: tell a lot of the texts I got for people
Speaker 1: that haven't.
Speaker 2: Been anything like this. You're just making assumptions.
Speaker 1: It's like all the people that used to tell me
Speaker 1: don't go to Mexico, and I went to Mexico gazillion times,
Speaker 1: had a wonderful time. You didn't have any idea what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. You're just basing it on rumors you've heard.
Speaker 3: Just forwarded you an email from a in the area.
Speaker 3: He runs an airbnb right there, and all it helpful
Speaker 3: is he leaning yes or no? Let's see, I'll read
Speaker 3: it to you.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Crowds before and after will be urban youth. I go
Speaker 3: to Sofi Park in Englewood and walk Actually no danger
Speaker 3: for football, danger is walking slow groups fighting generally probably okay,
Speaker 3: But transitional space is the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true for lots of things. Man, It's always
Speaker 1: so hard to know based on others. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and fear of opinion on most things. But I
Speaker 3: have not the slightest idea. I could picture it being
Speaker 3: a lot like Disneyland, and also picture it being holy crap,
Speaker 3: what have I done right?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Do you have any opinion on this, Katie?
Speaker 4: I really don't. I have no clue about this type
Speaker 4: of stuff. I can think of rock club well, no,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I want to get into this.
Speaker 3: So this person said, go ahead, clubs that I've gone
Speaker 3: to many shows at, and some that I've even played at.
Speaker 3: That security is wildly different for hip hop shows than
Speaker 3: any other show. Just but you know, what's what's you know?
Speaker 3: It's like somebody who knows nothing about metal heavy metal music,
Speaker 3: for instance.
Speaker 2: Assuming that.
Speaker 3: Uh Deep Purple is the same as Metallica, is the
Speaker 3: same as some Viking death metal outfit I've never heard of. Likewise,
Speaker 3: with the hippity hop, what axe draw what sort of
Speaker 3: people with what sort of proclivities for settling disputes say.
Speaker 1: Well, like I got this text ul Tyler and Playboy
Speaker 1: CARDI are they have a really big LGBTQ following, and
Speaker 1: the crowd will be that, Well, that's probably a safe
Speaker 1: crowd almost. Yeah, so that's that's different than you know,
Speaker 1: other rap hip hop crowds would be.
Speaker 4: I just recommend that if you go, you refer to
Speaker 4: it as hippity hop the entire time that you're there.
Speaker 3: I do enjoy the hippie hop. Yeah, oh bad, this
Speaker 3: is a great hippiie hop concert.
Speaker 1: You might be the oldest white guy there, but your
Speaker 1: son will have a really good time. I don't care
Speaker 1: about that. I'm not cared care about whether or not
Speaker 1: I'm entertained by the music. Somebody else texted it. I
Speaker 1: will definitely be a shooting out to the concert, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're basing that on anything other
Speaker 1: than you know, they watch the news.
Speaker 3: Well wait a minute, maybe that guy's planning on shooting somewhere.
Speaker 1: Because we got this one. My twenty four year old
Speaker 1: daughter is driving to that show in Englanwood. She's very
Speaker 1: excited about going.
Speaker 2: So I have no idea.
Speaker 1: My guess would be if I was gonna guess, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do more research so I don't
Speaker 1: end up in a bad situation. But my guess would
Speaker 1: be it's more toward the hip hop Disneyland lots of
Speaker 1: money to be made sort of thing, would be my guess,
Speaker 1: although I'm not sure what you mean by you know,
Speaker 1: there's only lots of money to be made if it's
Speaker 1: a family friendly, suburban, white peopleish atmosphere, but mountains of
Speaker 1: money to be made in the other direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I've been to lots of concerts that were fights
Speaker 1: freaking everywhere and all kinds of stuff, and I went
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like I was gonna die, so
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: You know what. You know, what concert that I went
Speaker 5: to where I saw the most fights was a freaking
Speaker 5: country concert.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Hank Williams Junior. When I went to Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never seen so many fights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hank Junior fought the bass player. People were rolling around
Speaker 1: in the aisles fighting. You had Oh my god, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lines, it's the shootings.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was at the shoreline and these two guys started
Speaker 5: brawling up at the top of the lawn and they
Speaker 5: went all the way down the hill on the grass.
Speaker 3: Oh that's exciting.
Speaker 2: That was the best show in itself. Okay, I need
Speaker 2: to get to this.
Speaker 1: So but if you have any opinions on that, if
Speaker 1: you think it would actually be dangerous, if you have
Speaker 1: any actually experience with this sort of thing, do you
Speaker 1: think it would be dangerous or okay for me to
Speaker 1: take my son to it. Back to medieval justice, And
Speaker 1: I won't take too long on this. I just read
Speaker 1: this yesterday on some history Twitter thread and I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting. The way, you know, the whole jury
Speaker 1: trial thing is a fairly recent invention, and the idea
Speaker 1: that you get to present your evidence and all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff partially with getting God out of the picture.
Speaker 1: But back in the old day they had there were
Speaker 1: the three ordeals in old timey medieval justice. Without a
Speaker 1: formal way of determining someone's guilt or innocence, the accused
Speaker 1: were subject to trial by ordeal. There are three types
Speaker 1: of ordeals, or deal by fire or deal by.
Speaker 2: Water, and ordeal by combat. Oh boy.
Speaker 1: The goal of these ordeals was to subject the accused
Speaker 1: to extreme circumstances. If you survive. God wanted you to
Speaker 1: survive because.
Speaker 2: You were innocent.
Speaker 1: If you didn't survive, you're clearly guilty in God, let
Speaker 1: you die or deal by fire required the accused to
Speaker 1: carry a red hot iron nine feet and then have
Speaker 1: their hands bandaged. After three days, they were required to
Speaker 1: show up in court and show their hands. If the
Speaker 1: wounds had started to heal, they were considered innocent if
Speaker 1: they if their condition hadn't improved, they'd be found guilty
Speaker 1: and either jailed or put the death, depending on the.
Speaker 3: Crime ge many there.
Speaker 1: Were two different types of ordeal by water. We've heard
Speaker 1: about this sort of thing from the Salem witch trials.
Speaker 1: If they were subjected to a cold water ordeal, their
Speaker 1: hands and feet would be tied and thrown in the water.
Speaker 1: If you float, you're innocent. If you sank, I guess
Speaker 1: you were guilty. Will you tie my hands to the
Speaker 1: deep Brad?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How crazy is that?
Speaker 1: For hot water ordeals, the accused had to retrieve a
Speaker 1: stone from the bottom of a kettle of boiling water,
Speaker 1: similar to the ordeal by fire. If your hands began
Speaker 1: to heal after three days, you were innocent. You had
Speaker 1: third degree burns.
Speaker 3: Good golly, all this sounds awful. Is this the smartest
Speaker 3: beast on the planet back then as now?
Speaker 1: And we're not smarter? Like our brain power isn't greater
Speaker 1: now than it wasn't thirteen hundred, except maybe incremental gains.
Speaker 3: But yeah, right, hey.
Speaker 2: Lastly, I would have hated this.
Speaker 1: Ordeal by combat was used to help two parties solve
Speaker 1: a dispute.
Speaker 3: Let's get it on, bitches.
Speaker 1: This was mostly used when there were no witnesses or
Speaker 1: confessions to a crime. Two individuals would fight in combat
Speaker 1: and the winner would be declared innocent. Who's the other
Speaker 1: party to the dispute?
Speaker 3: Can I take a look at him?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I'm only going to get into disputes with old or
Speaker 1: weak people.
Speaker 3: Well, if it's that, or plunge my hand into a
Speaker 3: boiling you know, cauldron of.
Speaker 1: Water, Like if I don't know my neighbor Jim keeps
Speaker 1: parking his RV and you know my side of the
Speaker 1: lot or something like that. But he's twenty five six
Speaker 1: four two eighty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let that one go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, that's that's a fine system of justice.
Speaker 1: See if he's the former high school chess champion and
Speaker 1: a weedy little dude, I might say, hey, get your
Speaker 1: RV off my land. You want to settle this and
Speaker 1: trial by combat?
Speaker 3: Yeah, run a little trial by combat, big man. Huh.
Speaker 3: They had that in the Game of Thrones that Jamie
Speaker 3: Lanister or somebody said, I choose trial by combat, and
Speaker 3: everybody's like, oh, oh my god boy. Another thing was
Speaker 3: the other dude can say, you know I'm gonna choose
Speaker 3: a substitute. Is that because you could do? Is that
Speaker 3: what a second was originally? You know, I didn't go
Speaker 3: to medieval law school anymore than I went to modern
Speaker 3: law school, but I know there is a thing where
Speaker 3: you can appoint a substitute. Oh wow, cool, and the
Speaker 3: two of them fight, and if both parties do that,
Speaker 3: then if your guy loses, well, clearly God meant for
Speaker 3: you to be guilty and you get executed or what
Speaker 3: have you?
Speaker 1: What the hell, Jim, or even trying out there now?
Speaker 1: Empty man, Why don't you keep your left up? You
Speaker 1: blew it, Jim, stick and move, stick and move, Jim.
Speaker 2: No, I'm guilty.
Speaker 1: Now I gotta like stick my hand in a bottle
Speaker 1: of boiling water or some some ass.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess that's it.