1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: My guest today is former White House Press Secretary and 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: very good friend Sean Spicer. These days, he's a very 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: business person. He's just been appointed to the board for 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: the US Naval Academy by President Trump. He's co host 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: of the popular show The Morning Meeting along with Mark 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: Alpern and Dan Turantine on the Two Way Platform. He 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: hosts his own podcast, The Shawn Spicer Show, and he's 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 2: just recently launched his sub stack. In fact, he's so 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: in the man. I'm delighted that he would make the 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: time just to join us. Shawn, thank you and once 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: again joining me on News World. But I'm really grateful 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: you take the time. 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: You ask I come. That's how it works. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: And by the way, congratulations on the President appointing you 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: to the board of the Naval Academy. I mean that 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: has got to be a really solid sense of something 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: you've spent your whole lifetime doing to serve the country. 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 4: And there's obviously a bit of poetic justice in that 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: I talked to the President about this the other night. 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: As people may recall, on the way out the. 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 4: Door, it was funny when I left the White House 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: they had asked, do you want to do anything, and 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 4: I'd said, I'll serve on the board of the Naval Academy. 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 4: There wasn't an opening at the time, so they put 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 4: me on the White House Fellow's Commission. Eventually, one of 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: the Obama people's term was up and they named me 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 4: to a new term. And then when Biden came in, 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 4: I resigned from the White House Commission on Fellows because 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: that's what you do, it's a White House commission. And 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: on September one, midday, I get a text or an 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 4: email rather from the director of Personnel for the Biden 34 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: White House and said, at six o'clock tonight, either you 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: will resign or we will fire you from your term 36 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: the Naval Academy. I said, no, you can fire me 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: if you want. And then America First Legal, the outside 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 4: group that Stephen Miller had found it, called me a 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: couple of days later and said, would you be willing 40 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 4: to put your name on a lawsuit saying that Biden 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: didn't have the right to do that. Myself and Russ Vote, 42 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: the current O and b director, were the only two 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: people agreed to do that. And remember he fired everybody 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 4: Naval Academy West Point Air Force So we filed this lawsuit. 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: You'll love this because this is the best part about it. 46 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 4: The media kept saying we were going to lose the lawsuit, 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: and sure enough, we lost the lawsuit. And for those 48 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: people listening on audio, I do that in air quotes 49 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: because my term was going to end in fifty nine days. 50 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: Now. I'm no legal scholar. 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: But I don't see the court adjudicating a lawsuit like that. 52 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: In fifty nine days. We went up to the appeals process. 53 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: The Biden administration continued to argue that they had every 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 4: right to fire anyone they wanted, and the court affirmed 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 4: that at the appeals level. So once again the media said, 56 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 4: Spicer and Vote lost the lawsuit. Well, here's the bitter irony. 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: When Donald Trump comes in, he just starts firing everyone. 58 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: Now, this is what I. 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 4: Love about the story. I get a call like five 60 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: Fridays ago, and it's a Washington Post reporter and he says, 61 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: mister Spicer, I wanted to know if you had any 62 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: comment about the Kennedy Center. Why what do you mean? 63 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: He said, Well, President Trump has fired everyone from the 64 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 4: Kennedy Center. I said, okay, good for him, I'm glad 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: he did it, and he said, have you not seen 66 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: their response? And I said, you know, I follow a 67 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 4: lot of people on Twitter, but I don't follow the 68 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 4: spokesman for the Kennedy Center. And he said, oh, well, 69 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: let me tell you. Then the spokesman said that they 70 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: have no recourse because. 71 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: Of Spicer v. Biden. 72 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: And now, look, as a guy whose legal experience spans 73 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 4: watching all the versions of law and order, there was 74 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: something kind of cool about literally being like, holy smokes, 75 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: they're literally citing a case the Kennedy Center. 76 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: Folks. 77 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: They wrote this subsequent Washington Post story a couple of 78 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 4: days later that said, you know, why can. 79 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: President Trump do what he's doing? Because of Spicer v. Biden. 80 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: They keep trying to outdo Trump. They go after him 81 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: to kick him off the ballot. At backfires, they fire 82 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: all the people who were Trump supporters. And remember, just 83 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: for context, I left this part out. Unfortunately, never before 84 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: in the history of the United States has anyone from 85 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: the Service Academy's been dismissed without cause, and even then 86 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: couldn't find it. So when Biden did this, it was 87 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: wholly unprecedented. So they created this mess. And when Trump 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: goes around and fires everybody. Just remember, for all of 89 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: you will want a little ammo to your leftist uncle 90 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: or cousin. It was Spicer v Biden. Biden did this 91 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: for the first time in history, firing people. And so 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: if you want to blame somebody for what Trump is doing, 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: blame Joe Biden. 94 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: That's great. It's also a great personal story. 95 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: It's just fun because sometimes you know, when this lawsuit 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: came about, I thought to myself, I was still serving 97 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: in the military. It probably wasn't the smartest military officer 98 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: move in the world to put your name. Now, granted 99 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: I was a civilian, so just to be clear, people 100 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 4: in the military still talk and they see it. But 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I did it because 102 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: it was the right thing to do. What he did 103 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 4: was wrong, and obviously it was really bittersweet when the 104 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: President called me a couple of weeks ago and said, hey, 105 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: I'm reconstituting this. 106 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: I'm honored to put you back on. 107 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: And you look at the names that are on there, 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: right Congressman Derrick Van Orden, Navy c Ronnie Jackson, congressman 109 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: from Texas, who's his physician, one star admiral, and then 110 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: it's like enshawan Spicer, but. 111 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: Talk for them about your own military service. I mean 112 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: it's not like you will wander to end from the road. 113 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Reyquift. 114 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've served twenty six years and the Navy, but 115 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: a CEO and an officer in charge depending on you know, 116 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 4: the unit. I graduated the US Naval War College, have 117 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 4: a master's in Strategic and National Study. So I mean 118 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: I've served for over twenty six years commanded some pretty 119 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 4: decent sized units. Have a nice little salad on my 120 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: chest of awards that I've been honored to receive, So 121 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: I've done my time. But you know, there's a lot 122 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: of stiff competition for boards like this in terms of 123 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: graduates who have gone on and done great things, who 124 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: have served the country and obviously want to go back 125 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 4: to the alma made. I didn't graduate from the academy. 126 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: I graduated from the War College. 127 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: But it's a huge honor. 128 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 4: I know how many people ask the President to be nominated, 129 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: and I greatly appreciate him reappointing me to that position. 130 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: I'm curious because you've got a unique perspective having been 131 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: in the world White House, and I remember a time 132 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: seeing you when I would visit and you'd be in 133 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: the middle trying to get ready for the press score. 134 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: What do you think about the level of change that 135 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: Caroline Levitt has brought to bear on the White House 136 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 2: Press score? 137 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely phenomenal. 138 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 4: There's a few things, one like I told the President this, 139 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: by the way, the other day, I said, Man, I'm 140 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: sure whatever decision making process you went through to pick her, 141 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: it was well worth it, because she has done a 142 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: phenomenal job. She has a ton of poise in leadership 143 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: at the podium, commands attention, really has a command of 144 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: the issues as well, And so I think she's doing 145 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: a phenomenal job. 146 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: But to go in and shake it up. 147 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: Remember when I was White House Press sar, I brought 148 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 4: in skype, so I allowed reporters from around the country 149 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: that couldn't be in DC to ask questions on the screen. 150 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 4: And that time they went nuts. They said, this is unprecedented, ridiculous. 151 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: And my point was I wanted ideas issues like I 152 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 4: got asked about water rights and federal land use and 153 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 4: issues that would never come up in the briefing because 154 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 4: all they cared about was Michael Flynn in Russia. The 155 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: point was I wanted a to do that to give 156 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: local reporters an opportunity, but be also to infect the 157 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: briefing room with issues that real Americans care about that 158 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: might not make it to Washington. And what Caroline has 159 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: done by bringing in more new voices is absolutely phenomenal 160 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: and well timed. And then the idea of also shaking 161 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: up the White House pool. What people don't understand is 162 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: that the White House establishment left wing legacy wants to 163 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: control what you see, read, and hear every day, and 164 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: so they do these pool reports, which means the Oval 165 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: Office or Air Force One are obviously small areas. So 166 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 4: they choose thirteen people and there's a print reporter, a 167 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 4: radio person, a TV person, a wire person. They go in, 168 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: they capture what the President says or does through their 169 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 4: lens and then report back out to their other thousands 170 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: of colleagues. This is what happened, right, So they decide 171 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 4: what's important. They add color, right, so the president was 172 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: doing this, this is what happened. They decide what the 173 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: mood was. It was tense, it was I mean, whatever 174 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: it is, and then they tell everyone, So if I 175 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 4: get to be the arbiter of what you see, read, 176 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: and here. 177 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: Then I control the narrative. 178 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 4: And what Caroline has done is open that aperture up, 179 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: allow more voices to go in and be part of 180 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: the pool. 181 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: So not cut it back, just to be clear, actually 182 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: grown it. 183 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 4: So now you have the same New York Times in 184 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: Washington Post, but you've got an additional person. It's almost 185 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: like an additional witness to a crime scene. Now they 186 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: get to hold them accountable and say, actually, the President 187 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: was jovial, he was excited, he was bouncing off the 188 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: walls to announce this program. But there's now a degree 189 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: of accountability that there hasn't been in the past. If 190 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 4: I can, I want to tell you one really interesting 191 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: inside baseball story because this shows you the power of 192 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: the White House correspondence. When we won in twenty sixteen, 193 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: there's a group of us that met with them in 194 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 4: New York at Trump Tower and they said to us, 195 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: here's how the briefings work. You will get up, you 196 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: will give your opening statements, you know, the President's schedule, 197 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: whatever you want to say, and then you will start 198 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: by calling on Thissociated Press, the front row, who they 199 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 4: decide who sits where it's the wires, the Associated Press routers, 200 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 4: the New York Times, NBCABC, and then it kind of 201 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: works backwards, and they said, you will call on the 202 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 4: Associated Press first, and then you will go down the 203 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: first row, the NBC's the Washington Post. And then if 204 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: there's time, you can entertain the low life folks in 205 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 4: the back of the room, bring them into the conversation. 206 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: And after you've gone on for said amount of time, the. 207 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: Associated Press reporter who's sitting in that seat will say 208 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: thank you very much. That signals the end of your briefing. 209 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 4: I said, okay, thank you. So the first briefing I 210 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: held on that Monday, the first person I called on 211 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: was Daniel Halper, New York Post. Now I know to 212 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 4: most people in America, they didn't care, they didn't notice 213 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: what I did. And the faces on the folks in 214 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: the front row was unbelievable. And then I went on 215 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: and on and on, and at forty five minutes in 216 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 4: Julie Pace of the Associated Press looked up and said 217 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: thank you very much, signaling what they thought was the 218 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: end of my briefing. 219 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: I look down and I said, no, thank you, Julie. 220 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: I'll go on. 221 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: I'll tell you when my briefing's over, and I went 222 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: on for another forty five minutes. And the goal there 223 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: was to signal to them that you're not in charge. 224 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: This is a government broom. This is a government briefing. 225 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: We'll decide when it's over, not you. Donald Trump's in 226 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: charge now. And I think that Caroline has really, in 227 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 4: her own way, brought a stamp to that room to 228 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: make it very clear in a different way several years later, 229 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: that she's in charge, that the Trump Administration's going to 230 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: lead this agenda, not them, And I think it's phenomenal. 231 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: I went by the other dan. 232 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: She said, if I want to come in sometime, I 233 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: can occupy the seat of the unusual member and ask 234 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: a question. 235 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: I said, do I have to tell you know what? 236 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: Event said? 237 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Now you show up, we'll get you a seat. But 238 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: at her age, her confidence is unbelievable. 239 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 4: And it's funny you say that, because obviously we have 240 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: had a lot of great entrepreneurs in this country. You've 241 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 4: done fantastic things at young age. If we're going to 242 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 4: be honest about this, like at twenty seven, are you 243 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: kidding me? 244 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: I could not have held my own in that. 245 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 4: I was a comms director on Capitol Hill under your 246 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: tutelage when you were speaker working for a rank and 247 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: file member. I mean, I couldn't have had the poise 248 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: and the command of issues that she has at that level. 249 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 3: I don't know that I could have done it at 250 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 3: thirty seven. 251 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: She's remarkable. 252 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just speaks what a bright future. 253 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm very impressed that every morning you guys are doing 254 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: this two way and you find interesting things to talk about. 255 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: You managed to maintain a balance and it's very cordial. 256 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: What makes it unique streams on my YouTube channel and 257 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: if people want to watch, and it's live. We take 258 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: questions from anyone in the world. We gotten questions from 259 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: France and China. The difference between the morning meeting and 260 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: a lot of shows is that we're not trying to 261 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 4: win you over. So when you go on cable, it's 262 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: a six or seven minute cable hit. I want to 263 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: beat up on the opponent. I want to tell him 264 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: why I'm right. Donald Trump is doing better. You guys 265 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: are bad blah blah blah. Dan and I Dan being 266 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: the Democrat, he worked for Hillary Clinton. He's got a 267 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: ton of stature, a ton of time and grade. Is 268 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 4: that we're explaining the process. I'm not trying to win 269 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: over people if you like Donald Trump, Moore, or the 270 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: Republican Party or the conservative movement more. I'm excited. I 271 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: hope that I do that well. But my goal is 272 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 4: to explain why things are happening. This is the mentality, 273 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 4: This is the decision making process, so that people have 274 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 4: a better understanding of their government and the process by 275 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: which decisions are made, and maybe how to influence them. 276 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: So as you know, it's not schoolhouse rock, and people 277 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: need to know. This is really how government works, how 278 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 4: decisions are made, how politicians think. 279 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: And I think we add an element. 280 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: To the discussion that just doesn't exist in the ecosystem anymore. 281 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: Orever, and I have to say, I find Halprin to 282 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: be so widely network that his morning newsletter is one 283 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: of the first things I read every day. 284 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: Well, people trust Mark to tell them things. 285 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: I joked with Mark at one point, like I spent 286 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 4: several hours in front of the Mueller Commission or whatever 287 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: the heck it's actually called, and I was always impressed 288 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: by how they would look and say, you know, on 289 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: February third, you were in a meeting. There were four 290 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: people there someone exited from the right hand side. 291 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like, holy smokes, it's. 292 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: Like big brother. When halbrind interviews you for you know, 293 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: his books or whatever. He doesn't come to just ask. 294 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 4: He comes with his a game and he's like, look, 295 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 4: when you were in this meeting, you coughed a few 296 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: times and then you made an utterance. And he's so 297 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: well sourced because people trust him that he's not going 298 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: to reveal sources and that he's going to try to 299 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: get the story straight. And that's very different from so 300 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: many of the folks that like Politico or axios, who 301 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 4: are just looking for clickbait. 302 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: You inventioned working in the house when I was a speaker. 303 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: Do you share my sense though? What Mike Johnson's pulling 304 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: off with virtually no margin is on imaginable. 305 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 306 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: We do a thing on the morning meeting where we 307 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: pick winners and losers, and all three of us, including 308 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 4: Dan the Democrat, so that the winner was Mike Johnson 309 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 4: because you know this, it's hurting cats to begin with 310 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: what he's been able to pull off without ear marks. 311 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: And I mean, you remember the delay days, it was 312 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 4: sort of like how much for your vote? That's obviously 313 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: an extreme, but there are a lot more tools at 314 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: the disposal. Politically now, it's not that way, and so 315 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: he's really instilling a sense of team that didn't exist. 316 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: And that's the big difference is that people are like, 317 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: I get it. Tom Massey, even who's voting against these things, 318 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: isn't doing it out of spite. 319 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: He's not mad at anybody. He's not. He philosophically disagrees 320 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: with the vision of government, which to some degree I respect. 321 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 4: He's not doing this because he doesn't like Donald Trump 322 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: or he's mad at Mike Johnson. He's, you know, a 323 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: principal guy that sees things differently. I don't agree with 324 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: him entirely, but I'm just saying I don't think that 325 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: he's doing this for some kind of political gain. He's 326 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: weathered the primaries before, and again I don't agree with 327 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: necessarily what he's doing, but it speaks to Johnson that 328 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: he's able to keep all these people together without a 329 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 4: bunch of carrots and sticks and browbeating them, etc. And 330 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: I think the other point that I would make where 331 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: it's going to benefit him is look at the Democrats 332 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: where they are. 333 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: They are in utter, utter disarray. 334 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 4: And when you talk about the Republican conference, the idea 335 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: that Johnson can go to them now and say, guys, 336 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: we stuck together. 337 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: We were a team. And look at these jokers. 338 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: They're off making paddles at Arts and Crafts Time, and 339 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: then they're mocking Schumer openly. 340 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: I mean, this is not a party that has his 341 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: act together. It's really rudderless. 342 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: Plus I were sitting actually on Johnson's box for the 343 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,479 Speaker 2: President's addressed to the Congress, so we're directly above the Democrats. 344 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: They couldn't applaud Trump. They couldn't apploud a thirteen year 345 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: old cancer survivor. They couldn't applaud mothers and survivors. And 346 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: you're getting the same thing right now. I mean they lockstep, vote, no, 347 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: get beaten. 348 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 349 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: And here's the thing is that you know good begets good. 350 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: If you're Johnson, you look at them and say, guys, 351 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 4: we stuck together, and look at what they did, like 352 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: it's pathetic. 353 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: Dick Martlin called me one time about nineteen eighty three. 354 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: He was Reagan's chief polster, and he said, the most 355 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: important thing is winning, because a president who wins is 356 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: seen as strong, and therefore it's easier to win the 357 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: next one because he's seen as strong and there was 358 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: a lot to that. I mean, I didn't fully appreciate 359 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: at the time because we were fighting over Texas, but 360 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: they did win. And I think Trump has a similar knack, 361 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: And in his case, I think he has ironically vastly 362 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: more intense prestige than Reagan did. He doesn't have as 363 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: broad a prestige. The loyalty to Trump among those who 364 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: like him is astonishingly deep. 365 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: The thing that I keep saying. 366 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: I gave a speech earlier this week and I said, 367 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 4: because of four years out of office, I think Trump's 368 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 4: going to be the most consequential second term president probably ever, 369 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: definitely in modern history, because the opportunity when you have 370 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: one term, you just keep rolling over. If you're the 371 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 4: Press secretary on January twentieth, you're the pres secretary on 372 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: the twenty first, and on the twenty second and. 373 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: Twenty third, and when you have ability to. 374 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: Stop and think about what I call the three p's, 375 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 4: the people, the process, and the policies, and you go, Okay, 376 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: if I get to do it again, what am I 377 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 4: going to do? Who are the people I'm going to 378 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 4: surround myself? With and keep away to what are the 379 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 4: policies that I'm going to advance and not and then 380 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: the process, what do I have to do to make 381 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: sure I get my policies through. Who are going to 382 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: be the opposition forces, who are going to be my friends? 383 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: What are the obstacles that we're going to face? And 384 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: because of that, they have come out of the gate 385 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 4: just killing it. And this is the difference is that 386 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: you think back eight years ago, we didn't have a 387 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 4: team in the house. Mark Meadows led the opposition to 388 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: the repeal of Obamacare, and you had people who subsequently 389 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 4: came onto the team and didn't do it for battery. 390 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: It just didn't think it was the right decision. But 391 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 4: like now, to your point, Speaker, Johnson's got everybody on board. 392 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: I mean Andy Harris, the congressman from Maryland who's the 393 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: chair of the Freedom Caucus, is publicly saying, hey, I've 394 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: never voted for a debt ceiling increase. 395 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: I've never voted for a cr but I'm willing to 396 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: do it now. 397 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: They believe in the vision they're bought in, and I 398 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 4: think this is just absolutely spectacular. 399 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: If Trump can sustain this and if he can win 400 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: the twenty sixth election in the House. I think he 401 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: will go on to be just below Washington and Lincoln's 402 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: probably rivaling FDR as the third most consequential president in 403 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: American history. And he will have changed the government at 404 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: a level that it would have been unthinkable prior to Trump. 405 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: But you know what's the funny. I fight this like 406 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 4: on a daily basis. Trump is willing to have fights 407 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: that people haven't been willing to have, like this effort 408 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: to root out government. And you know this, I mean 409 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 4: the Grace Commission Reinventing Government, Sarveins Oxley, and we talk 410 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: about it over and over again, and now it's happening. 411 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 4: I just get so excited because we have allowed the excuses, 412 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: and sometimes for the right reasons, because he didn't have 413 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: the alignment of the parties. 414 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: It's not entirely because of lack of will. 415 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 4: But this time we've got a partner that's willing to 416 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: go out there and fight the fights in a way 417 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: that just hasn't existed in the past. 418 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: Part of it is that he grew up in New 419 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: York real estate where people were very tough and they 420 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: fought all the time. If you've read the art of 421 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: the Comeback, which is I think his most important book. 422 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: As he explains it, he almost went broke and as 423 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: the greatest opening it says, I was nine hundred million 424 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: dollars in debt to the banks personally, Atlantic City was 425 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: ceasing to be profitable, the Iraq campaign was leading to inflation, 426 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: and my wife just called to say she wanted a divorce. 427 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: He said, this is the moment when you either get 428 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: depressed or you plan a comeback. 429 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: I've got the Art of the Deal. I've done that. 430 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: But you're right. 431 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: The Art of the Deal is very helpful in understanding 432 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: his mindset. If you watch him, for example, we Ukraine 433 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: and Russia. It's straight out of the Art of the Deal. 434 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: You know. 435 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: It's funny though, just from a strategic standpoint that I 436 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 4: find hysterical. And I think you were the one who 437 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 4: said it a long time ago to me, and so 438 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: I'm just just to be clear, I'm stealing it, although 439 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: as I've learned the second time that you use it, 440 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 4: you don't have to attribute. 441 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: It once you as Sean Spicer said. 442 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, thank you. But I think that one of 443 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 3: the things that's interesting is that so much is. 444 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: There in public meaning the book is there, the art 445 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 4: of the deal is there, the art of the compact, 446 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: you're there, go read it. And so many times when 447 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 4: people are talking to me, I'll say, not long ago, 448 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 4: new Gingert said, you know, it's all there and the 449 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: art of the deal, and yet people just don't want 450 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 4: to read it. And I'm like, it's like the playbook 451 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: is staring you in front of the face. The map 452 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 4: is there, and you don't want to look at it. 453 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: Part of it is they can't believe somebody is actually 454 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: like this. This is a guy who has survived recessions economically. 455 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: I mean, he understands all this stuff, probably as well 456 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: as any president of American history. But in addition, I 457 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: must say I just read jd. Vance's speech explaining the tariffs. 458 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: It is the best most coherent explanation I've seen so far, 459 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 2: and it's pretty straightforward. They want manufacturing in the United 460 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: States period. 461 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: Yeah. 462 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: I mean this again goes back to this whole idea. 463 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: I was talking about this in the morning meeting this morning. 464 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: At some point, the easy political thing, the absolutely easiest, 465 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 4: is Trump just to kick it down the road, to 466 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 4: say you're right, let's just let Canada keep high tariffs. 467 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 3: Let's let Europe keep high teriffs. 468 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 4: Let's just keep doing business that way so that US 469 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: companies don't have the same market access that they do 470 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: to our market. 471 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: That's the easy political answer. 472 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 4: The hard answer is to actually do something that will 473 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: result in a long term beneficial result for the United States. 474 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: Bring more jobs back, bring more manufacturing back. We're dismissing 475 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: the fact that Taiwan Semiconductor Apple Pondas moving the civic 476 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 4: from Mexico to Indiana. 477 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: This didn't just happen, and I don't think. 478 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 4: That people fully a pre that like, yes, it might 479 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: not happen tomorrow, and if it was easy, you would 480 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 4: just snap your fingers and say move back, drop your terriffs. 481 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 4: But he's right that there's not just one potential outcome. 482 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 4: India can drop its terrorists, Canada can take its dairy 483 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 4: tariff down and let us milk flow in a lot easier. 484 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: There's two sides to this coin. 485 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 2: This is a guy who for thirteen years had a 486 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: popular TV show, the essence of which was You're fired. 487 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: The personality that's able to pull that off for thirteen 488 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: straight years. The idea that they're going to bluff him, 489 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean he knows he's the biggest market in the world. 490 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: He knows they need him, he doesn't need them. His 491 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: comment about the Europeans went after American whiskey, so he 492 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: went after European wines and champagne and made the comment, 493 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: this is going to be great for American winemakers, of which, 494 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: by the way, he's won. 495 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 4: That didn't get lost to me either. I'm like, I 496 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 4: believe you own one of those. 497 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: I'm particularly watching Putin and to a lesser sensujianping, because 498 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: Trump actually doesn't bluff. 499 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: No, no, he scares the crap out of him. 500 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: And at some point, my guess is in the very 501 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: near future, Putin is going to decide that he announced 502 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: today that he really wants to get to a ceasefire. 503 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: Of course, he's setting terms that are crazy, but again, 504 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: in the tradition of New York real estate, that's where 505 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: the deal starts. Do you tell me you're insane demand, 506 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: I'll tell you my insane demand, and eventually we'll get 507 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: around to a deal. But he has got Putin now 508 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: talking about having a truce. 509 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: Here's the beautiful thing about this. A week ago, everyone goes, 510 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: why is he doing it? In the way that he's 511 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 4: doing it, and da da, da da, and everyone wants 512 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 4: to focus on the process and the noise who's sitting, 513 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 4: where as opposed to the outcome. In a week from now, 514 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 4: we are sitting with a ceasefire hopefully more than that. 515 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: Isn't that a good thing? 516 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: That people are not dying, that destruction is not continuing, 517 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 4: And yet it's Yeah, but you guys realize where Mike 518 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 4: Walt sat. He's supposed to sit in the seat that's 519 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 4: four over, not three over. And that's not the tradition 520 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: in the norm of how things are supposed to work well, 521 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 4: how things are supposed to work hasn't worked out so well. 522 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 4: So maybe we try it his way and actually get 523 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: something out of it. 524 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: My biggest concern is the twenty sixth election, and my 525 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: biggest concern there is getting the tax cuts and the 526 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: deregulation through early enough, hopefully by May June at the latest, 527 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: so that they can take effect so the economy is 528 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: booming by next summer. What's your sense, particularly in trying 529 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: to deal with the Senate, which has very deep resistant 530 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: and Johnson's on board and also understands that passing one 531 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: really big bill is a lot easier with his margin 532 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: than trying to pass two. But in addition that there's 533 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: a time problem. Do you think in the end the 534 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: Senate will go along or what do you think is happening? 535 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 4: Look, I think this week is sort of like the 536 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: trailer to the movie that's coming. Everybody got on board, 537 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 4: they understand, and it's for a variety of reasons. Once 538 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: to your point earlier about winning gets people excited, they go, 539 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: let's win two. There's a bit of political scare. Part 540 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 4: of the reason they screwed with Massy is not because 541 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: they thought they could beat them in the primary. That 542 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 4: was a tell to everyone else stay in line, or 543 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: we're coming after you. And it's not just the primary. 544 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 4: And that's where some of the media gets it wrong. 545 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 4: You don't want to walk down the street in Louisiana 546 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: or South Dakota or wherever and having all these people 547 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: be like you sold us out. It's not just about 548 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 4: the election. It's about actually living and I think that's important. 549 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: The second thing that I will tell you I did 550 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 4: my first race in nineteen ninety four with you in 551 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: the contract with America and Connecticut second District. I have 552 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 4: never seen a political operation like they're building right now 553 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: and they get it, which is, yes, we're not running 554 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 4: for reelection, but we need to maintain the House and 555 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 4: therefore the amount of money and political mechanics that is 556 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 4: going into having the apparatus to defend and grow a 557 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 4: House majority. I think the Senate's going to be fine, 558 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 4: not fine, but I think we'll actually pick up seats. 559 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 4: I think that it is historic and monumental, and no 560 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 4: one is seeing this coming. The Democrats are depressed, they're 561 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: not excited. And not only are they putting up points 562 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 4: on the board on the House side, but they are 563 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 4: building the political apparatus financially and otherwise to be able 564 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: to defend and grow the House majority. 565 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, and you'll be able to watch Senate Democrats retire. 566 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: They're creating vulnerabilities, whether it's. 567 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: Shaheen or Michigan. 568 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 4: I think you're gonna have a great race in Georgia, 569 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 4: especially if Kemp jumps in. 570 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 3: I don't know that he will or not, but they 571 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: need to defend the Dems. 572 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 4: You got Shaheen in New Hampshire, you got the Michigan seat, 573 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 4: and now you've got a seat in Georgia. 574 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 3: Assofs in cycle. 575 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 4: Look, I think Republicans are in great shape in the 576 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 4: Senate to probably grow maybe by one or two seats, 577 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: and then in the House, as long as they have 578 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 4: points on the board and a lot of money, they're 579 00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 4: going to do. 580 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: Okay, I understand you're talking with Caroline Lovett, the CURL 581 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary on Friday on your show. Why 582 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 2: don't we listen to a clip? 583 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: You know, most people don't care or know about the 584 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 4: White House Correspondent Association. They've had a stranglehold on the 585 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 4: White House briefing room for decades. You and your team 586 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 4: decided to take it on. So explain why you did 587 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 4: that and why it matters. 588 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 589 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 5: Well, as you know, the White House Correspondence Association is 590 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 5: truly become a monetized monopoly over the White House and 591 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 5: the coverage of the President of the United States in America. 592 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 5: This is a group of journalists who have been covering 593 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 5: the White House for decades. They started this organization because 594 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 5: the presidents at the time were not doing enough press conferences. 595 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 5: I don't think we have that problem anymore under this president. 596 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 5: So the priorities of the media have shifted, especially with 597 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 5: this new digital age, and the White House Correspondence Association 598 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 5: has really been an inclusive group, exclusive group of journalists 599 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 5: who cover this White House. They have not really welcomed 600 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 5: other people, new media, independent journalists with open arms. And 601 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 5: so we thought it was time to expand the coverage 602 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: and determine who gets to be part of that thirteen 603 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: person press pool, who gets to ask the President of 604 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 5: the United States questions in the Oval Office? A board 605 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 5: air Force one. And since we have started this new 606 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 5: process of determining the daily rotation, so many new voices 607 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: and outlets who have never been part of this small 608 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 5: and privileged group of journalists have been able to access 609 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 5: those very unique and privileged spaces and cover this presidency. 610 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 5: And that's very important. 611 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: And how was it to talk with Caroline about the 612 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: job you used to do? 613 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 4: It was awesome, Right, So many people interview her about 614 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 4: what the president's views are and I love that, but 615 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 4: to have a conversation with her pre Secretary to presscretory, 616 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: it was really cool. 617 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: I want to thank you. 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