WEBVTT - Aiding the Un-Housed Community in Columbus Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to it could happen here the podcast about stuff

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<v Speaker 1>falling apart and perhaps how we can begin to put

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<v Speaker 1>them back together. Today, I'm your host, Garrison Davis. We've

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of doom and gloom the past few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks here on the pod, so this episode we more

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the putting stuff back together side of the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be talking with Elizabeth Blackburn of the First Collective,

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<v Speaker 1>a group of volunteers, organizers, and activists in Columbus, Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>focused on direct, grassroots action and mutual aid. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be specifically talking about a volunteer run homeless encampment that's

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<v Speaker 1>currently serving around people in the near East side of Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's some of the history from Elizabeth. The project started

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<v Speaker 1>as a warming station at the end of January UM

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<v Speaker 1>and how is morphed into a autonomous encampment that's largely

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<v Speaker 1>self governed and managed by a loose network of mutual

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<v Speaker 1>aid organizations that came together during the uprisings. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is as flat an organization as we

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<v Speaker 1>can make it, and we're you know, we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make it flatter, and I just think it's important that

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<v Speaker 1>the people recognize. You know, going out with resources is great,

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<v Speaker 1>but going out and finding out what resources people need

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<v Speaker 1>is better. There are so many groups in our city

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<v Speaker 1>that are supposed to be doing this work that are not,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're being paid to do this work, and it's ineffective.

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<v Speaker 1>And all I want is for for more people to

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<v Speaker 1>try and do it their own way, to try and

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<v Speaker 1>do what their community wants, you know, to the best

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<v Speaker 1>of their abilities. We see that lots of projects grow

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<v Speaker 1>out of the mutual a networks that were established. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been interesting to see how people in the wake of

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<v Speaker 1>the George Floyd uprising have built off things started two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, what's changed in their practice, and how it's

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<v Speaker 1>evolved since then. This past winter in this area of Columbus, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>there was community needs not being met, people having to

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<v Speaker 1>be out in the cold and not having a place

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<v Speaker 1>to stay. This problem was recognized by people, but unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>far too many people just look at problems and just

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, yes, here's the thing that sucks. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's too bad. But today we'll be talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>a collective of people didn't simply acknowledge a problem, but

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<v Speaker 1>actually went past that point and decided that even with

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<v Speaker 1>limited resources, they had the capacity to actually figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to solve this themselves and provide a solution for

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<v Speaker 1>the community. I think the first time I really tried

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<v Speaker 1>something like that was in December. A friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>had reached out about a camp on the south side

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<v Speaker 1>of Columbus that was being swept by the city and

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<v Speaker 1>they had needs. They needed new tents so they could

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<v Speaker 1>set up elsewhere. They needed food and water like they

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<v Speaker 1>always did, and they needed people to be there um

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you know, to prevent violence from occurring as

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<v Speaker 1>much as possible. UM. So hearing about that, I started

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<v Speaker 1>a I set up on my street in a bougie

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<v Speaker 1>part of Columbus UM with a little sign and collected

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<v Speaker 1>goods whatever people dropped off, I collected money. UM. I

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<v Speaker 1>raised about two thousand dollars and uh I think we

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<v Speaker 1>ended up buying around twenty two tenths UM got other

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<v Speaker 1>people there as well, and tried to make sure everybody

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<v Speaker 1>had what they needed so they could get set up elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was my first, like my first experience with

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<v Speaker 1>that doing it hands on and seeing that that worked,

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<v Speaker 1>that encouraged me to do more. Is that How has

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<v Speaker 1>it grown and changed? Since then, there's still a need

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<v Speaker 1>for people to stay. Um, it still gets pretty cold

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<v Speaker 1>at night. Um, so how throughout throughout winter? How did

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<v Speaker 1>the project kind of morphin change? How did you go

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<v Speaker 1>about finding like places to actually like set up the

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<v Speaker 1>physical spot right, Like, that's that's a whole it's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other problem. Um, it's all like the is all

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<v Speaker 1>like the logistical side of things. Yeah, exactly. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we happened to have a space late last fall, I

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<v Speaker 1>was invited to join a collective. At first collective that

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<v Speaker 1>was operating out of a church that largely um falling

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<v Speaker 1>into disrepair, but still operating as a church. And because

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<v Speaker 1>we had that space, a couple of members of the

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<v Speaker 1>collective encountered some folks in the neighborhood who needed a

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<v Speaker 1>place to sleep. They were sleeping in a bus stop

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<v Speaker 1>on a snowy night, and we just decided to start

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<v Speaker 1>giving them a place to stay because we had a place.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a super popular decision, but um, we had

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<v Speaker 1>community back in. Conflicts from some people in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>who were more nimby minded did obviously come up, along

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<v Speaker 1>with the complaints from the church that the first collective

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<v Speaker 1>was operating out of for the community's part. When we

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<v Speaker 1>were at the church, we were in a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood that had largely been gentrified, and so there

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<v Speaker 1>was some some resistance, some concern about the changing face

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<v Speaker 1>of the community and about the safety of kids and

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<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth. But we didn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>real safety concerns, not not in our not inside beyond

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<v Speaker 1>a couple encounters that we had to de escalate UM

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<v Speaker 1>and a few people that we had to remove for

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<v Speaker 1>based on their behavior, UM, but from inside the church,

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<v Speaker 1>from the church organization. UM. The conflicts started pretty early on.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really like how we oper aided and we

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<v Speaker 1>got a reputation as a warming space with no rules,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they felt like because couples could sleep next

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<v Speaker 1>to each other, UM, because people could go outside for

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette at night, because they weren't locked in the building,

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<v Speaker 1>that we were running a space that was out of control,

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<v Speaker 1>well until until we were kicked out of the church

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<v Speaker 1>on March twenty nine. I think it was the physical

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure was there. It was just a matter of getting

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<v Speaker 1>caughts and blankets and making sure that people had food.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of that was either through just one off donations

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<v Speaker 1>to my cash app or I bought it with my

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<v Speaker 1>own funds UM. Once we were forced to move outside,

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<v Speaker 1>it got a lot more complicated UM because at that

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<v Speaker 1>point we didn't have any tents UM. We had to

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<v Speaker 1>go out that night and purchase. The day that we

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<v Speaker 1>were removed, we had to go out and purchase I

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<v Speaker 1>believed ten tents to start, and then had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>dropped off UM. We now have around twenty tents UM.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of those were purchased by by me or

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<v Speaker 1>by donations that we received UM, or have been dropped

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<v Speaker 1>off by by friends or people in the neighborhood. UM

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<v Speaker 1>that has been you know, the physical infrastructure is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>tents and canopies, and most of them are being held

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<v Speaker 1>up by pieces of old tents or large tree limbs

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever we can to survive the wind because it's

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<v Speaker 1>been nothing but windstorms for the past well since we

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<v Speaker 1>got here. Our first camp site was set up on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot that was connected to the farm four Seasons

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<v Speaker 1>City Farm UM. Several of the members of the collective

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<v Speaker 1>our former paid employees of the farm or multi year volunteers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a large organization on this part. In

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<v Speaker 1>this part of the town UM Old Town East UM

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<v Speaker 1>with about fifteen I belief years of history and goodwill UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So we set up next to their lot. But because

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<v Speaker 1>they're on land bank land, we we didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>interfere with their lease with the city. So rather than

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<v Speaker 1>risk the farm getting fined or UM having having their

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<v Speaker 1>least broken, we we look next door to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of a chain length fence M

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<v Speaker 1>two lots. Actually, one is owned by the city that's

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<v Speaker 1>the one where most of our tents are, and then

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<v Speaker 1>one is owned by a private owner who's a rather

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy person in the neighborhood. UM. We've done our best

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<v Speaker 1>to stay on the city lot and that has been

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<v Speaker 1>good for us. But we're also maintaining both lots and

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<v Speaker 1>doing our best to keep the trash to a minimum

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<v Speaker 1>UM to make sure that we're not carrying up the

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<v Speaker 1>ground as much as we can, though it's hard with

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<v Speaker 1>all this rain UH, and and just do our best

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<v Speaker 1>to be good neighbors UM. And I think that has

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<v Speaker 1>helped us a lot. In recent years, lower class Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>area residents lost twenty thousand units of housing due to

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<v Speaker 1>unaffordable spiking rent prices. An annual Point in Time tally

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<v Speaker 1>this year organized by the Community Shelter Board, found the

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<v Speaker 1>number of homeless people in official Columbus and Franklin County

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<v Speaker 1>emergency shelters increased by more than two hundred people since

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<v Speaker 1>one and online data from the Shelter Board of a

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<v Speaker 1>nonprofit organization that receives funding from the City of Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>and other organizations indicates that as of March, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a seven percent drop in the rate of people exiting

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<v Speaker 1>their program and moving into stable housing as compared to

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Going from to a lot of times more

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<v Speaker 1>formalized shelters are not ideal for people to stay in.

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<v Speaker 1>There's many issues with the formalized shelters regarding the specific

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<v Speaker 1>rules of when you can get inside, how long you

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<v Speaker 1>can be inside, whether you're locked inside the building, what

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you can bring with you. At best, they are

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<v Speaker 1>challenging to navigate. At worst, they're simply hostile to people

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<v Speaker 1>looking for shelter. I asked Elizabeth what her take on

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<v Speaker 1>the homeless shelter situation is like in Columbus and the

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<v Speaker 1>ways their encampment is different from the more official shelters.

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<v Speaker 1>We have limited beds and then the beds that are

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<v Speaker 1>available are mostly under the governance of the shelter board,

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<v Speaker 1>and the shelter board wasn't too fond of us either.

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<v Speaker 1>Weren't following all their rules, and there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of concerns about the way the shelters run. The people

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<v Speaker 1>that stay with us, the people that come through, they

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<v Speaker 1>feel safer here. Um, there's considerably less drug use. There's

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<v Speaker 1>basically no distribution. We try to keep a handle on

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<v Speaker 1>that because it, you know, would bring problems to the

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<v Speaker 1>camp should it happen there. Um, we are a safe

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<v Speaker 1>use space. We do have harm reduction materials and they

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<v Speaker 1>know that, um, and we we do our best to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just make sure that people have the care

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<v Speaker 1>and the safety that they need. And that is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a dirty word. While all of those are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dirty words, and the shelter organizing community, I guess, um,

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<v Speaker 1>care and and you know, making people comfortable, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not really the goal. Next, I asked about what types

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<v Speaker 1>of connections the encampment and First Collective have been making

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<v Speaker 1>with various organizations for infrastructural support or daily needs, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as enquiring about the relations the camp has with

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<v Speaker 1>the city government. Here is Elizabeth's response. We reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to the different you know, harm reduction groups, the different

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<v Speaker 1>house listeners groups, the the emergency action groups that uh,

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<v Speaker 1>different serve groups, and we just asked them to bring

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<v Speaker 1>what they could or to send people if they could,

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, whatever they could spare. And and it's worked. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>People show up with whatever they have to offer. UM

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<v Speaker 1>from all over the city and and just from around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner, which has been wonderful. That the grassroots community

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<v Speaker 1>support is just blowing my mind. I thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to hate us, and here we are like making

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<v Speaker 1>friends with everybody. Our first goal is to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we've met people's needs as best we can. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that that involves right now, UM keeping propane

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<v Speaker 1>on site so that they can some of the food

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<v Speaker 1>that's brought. UM. We get a lot of prepared meals,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also get a lot of ingredients, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are quite a few people here that cook and have

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<v Speaker 1>done pretty miraculous things with a couple of propane girls. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>We try and have meals prepared every day, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't doesn't always work out, and sometimes we fill the

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<v Speaker 1>gaps with Little Caesar's or or something else. UM. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it can be scraunged up at the last minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of our biggest allies so far have been UM

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<v Speaker 1>the local food not bombs UH. They have been wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as some different church groups that that run

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<v Speaker 1>nonprofits like Community Kitchen. We get our meals provided six

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<v Speaker 1>days a week by church that's basically down the street

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<v Speaker 1>and around the corner. But as far as the city goes.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first couple of days, there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of roll by's, UM, a lot of city officials taking

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<v Speaker 1>pick sure's, no one really talking to us, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly concern. It wasn't until a man who works

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<v Speaker 1>for the city and outreach under the Safety and Security Department,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Stevenson, came out and talked to us UH that

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<v Speaker 1>we really started to see the possibilities of working with

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<v Speaker 1>the city and and so much as they let us.

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<v Speaker 1>He brought a city attorney, Steve Dunbar, and a gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>from the Mayor's office UM, Jason Jenkins by to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to our folks and they listened. They listened to the

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<v Speaker 1>people at the camp who explained to them why they

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<v Speaker 1>were here, explained to them why the resources that are

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<v Speaker 1>available didn't work for them. You know, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>it was a tearful conversation and since then they've largely

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<v Speaker 1>left us alone. UM. We wish that they would provide

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<v Speaker 1>some of the resources that they talked about, like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of porta potties and a dumpster. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we do our best with their composting toilet and

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<v Speaker 1>the good grace of some very kind neighbors. Police raids

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<v Speaker 1>and sweeps are always an existential fear for those living

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<v Speaker 1>in di y encampments. Here's what Elizabeth had to say

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<v Speaker 1>about sweeps and police interactions. What we've been told is

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<v Speaker 1>that they are They've been told to leave us alone.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard this from the cops themselves. We've heard this

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<v Speaker 1>from people who have talked to them. Um. But the

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<v Speaker 1>precinct that is in this area has been told not

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<v Speaker 1>to mess with us unless there is a violent conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing to do cops stuff at. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sweeps that have been threatened around the city

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<v Speaker 1>of different camps. Um. They've received notice or notice of notice,

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't know exactly when, but it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>happen sometime. UM. But as far as we're concerned, we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really had that problem. UM. Cops have come through.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a couple of times when they've been called

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<v Speaker 1>by by people disgruntled residents or um by neighbors, but

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, Kay talked to us and then

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<v Speaker 1>they leave. We we do our best as volunteers to

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<v Speaker 1>get between the police and other other groups that come out, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>even even the outreach groups that we know are are

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<v Speaker 1>here to help, just because those interactions can can quickly

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<v Speaker 1>get volatile, if you know, if people aren't sure about

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<v Speaker 1>other people's intentions. So I would say that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best interactions I've had with the cops is they

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<v Speaker 1>did come through here once and talk to a few folks,

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<v Speaker 1>and a sergeant from the police department said, UM roughly

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<v Speaker 1>that they couldn't make us leave because this was city

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<v Speaker 1>land end and they didn't have anywhere else to send us.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, I'll take it. I've got the dr assaultation.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth does hope that one day the relations between the

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<v Speaker 1>church that first collective was previously operating out of could

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<v Speaker 1>be mended and once again work to utilize the space

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<v Speaker 1>to serve the wider community. She also discussed the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of moving into vacant buildings and hoping to restore them

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<v Speaker 1>while also having a place to provide more stable housing.

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<v Speaker 1>So where the church is concerned, UM, I haven't given

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<v Speaker 1>a prope we we aren't in the building now. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a key, but I got a church every Sunday. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in God,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do like the messages that I get there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I want to continue to use this really

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful building as a part of the community. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there are a lot of goals that that we

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<v Speaker 1>as a camp have and some of them include the

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<v Speaker 1>church and we we'd love to get back into that

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<v Speaker 1>space and fix the two bathrooms in the basement that

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<v Speaker 1>are just sitting there, build some showers, laundry facilities, a

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<v Speaker 1>free store, kitchen. Uh, There's there's so much that we

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<v Speaker 1>could do if we could utilize that building in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to the the infrastructure that we have here. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to to building something more, we're currently

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<v Speaker 1>working on a proposal for the city for some of

0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the relief funds that have been received but not dispersed

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:49.280
<v Speaker 1>with the goals of ideally building little cabins on platforms

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<v Speaker 1>on the lot that we're on now, just to start

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<v Speaker 1>to get people out of tents, to start meeting some

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<v Speaker 1>of the code requirements to improve the sanitary and living conditions,

0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and then from there we'll ask them to give us

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<v Speaker 1>a building to restore. There's a lot of really skilled

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<v Speaker 1>people out here and they want to work, and they

0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.359
<v Speaker 1>want to work on all of these old buildings that

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<v Speaker 1>have been allowed to fall apart all over the city.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many rooms available, there's so many units

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<v Speaker 1>that they could work on that they could live in,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's what they want to do, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're going to try and help them do.

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<v Speaker 1>The camp functions under a sort of direct democracy with

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<v Speaker 1>residents and first collective volunteers, some of whom are also residents,

0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:37.080
<v Speaker 1>hold regular community meetings where camp occupants vote to make

0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:42.040
<v Speaker 1>decisions about camp guidelines. There has been a couple instances

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<v Speaker 1>of violence, UM, a couple particularly scary moments that we

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<v Speaker 1>had to try and de escalate, And there's sometimes that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't handle things as best we could UM, but

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<v Speaker 1>we we try and we tried to talk through the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the way that it goes down with the

0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.719
<v Speaker 1>residents among the volunteers. UM. We try to be transparent

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, why why we make some of the

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 1>decisions that we do, and for the most part, we

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<v Speaker 1>leave it to the community. UM. There have been some

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<v Speaker 1>really great community meetings go so long. UM, but they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about everything they talk about, you know, shared concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about safety, concerns about how they want to live together

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<v Speaker 1>and what would make them feel safer, and established guidelines

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and occasionally vote to remove people. Though UM we've managed

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<v Speaker 1>to resolve some of those conflicts before they went that far.

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<v Speaker 1>I initially talked with Elizabeth in May two, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to catch up with her a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago to hear about what's been going on the past month. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to kind of fill you in on

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<v Speaker 1>what we've been up to over the past month or so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's been busy. UM. We've been to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of area Commission meetings for the different areas of the

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:14.159
<v Speaker 1>city to try and make some allies and talk to

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<v Speaker 1>people about what we think is a solution to a

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.920
<v Speaker 1>problem they don't know how to solve. I to get

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<v Speaker 1>some unwanted attention, a local station Tom TB came through

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<v Speaker 1>with a bit of an agenda right now. The City

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<v Speaker 1>of Columbus has a problem, and it has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with homelessness. A camp set up on city property along

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<v Speaker 1>East Mound Street in the middle of the Near East

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<v Speaker 1>Side neighborhood, is raising questions tonight about whether the twenty

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 1>people who live there should be allowed to, say, are

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.920
<v Speaker 1>forced to go to Kevin Landers has been working the

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<v Speaker 1>story all day. Today he went to the camp and

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to those who lived there and got answers from

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<v Speaker 1>city leaders about addressing concerns from neighbors who say that

0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.680
<v Speaker 1>camp it's got to go. This on housing community is

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<v Speaker 1>located on East Mound Street. The people who live here,

0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the city says, are technically trespassing. The city says they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to let them stay here until they can find housing,

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 1>but not everybody wants them here. They wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>specifically about our sanitation situation and nothing else. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>told them we've been waiting on the city since abol

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen for the dumpster the port of John's if they

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<v Speaker 1>had offered, but um they were still looking into it.

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 1>So we took it into our own hands. All that attention,

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<v Speaker 1>we needed to do something, So we contracted a port

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.840
<v Speaker 1>of john Company who is currently donating to Port of

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<v Speaker 1>John's and servicing it once a week. UM, which is great. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a compost toilet before and this is so

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<v Speaker 1>much better. Um. And we went out of pocket to

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<v Speaker 1>pay the trash service, so we're getting our own trash service.

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<v Speaker 1>Trash service now once a week. UM. It's not quite enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but it certainly helps. You see code enforcement go by

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 1>all the time. UM, they've been driving by. I've seen

0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 1>them at least five or six times today. People are

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>waiting for something that they can latch onto. But so far,

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>so good. With Columbus facing one hundred degree heat waves,

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<v Speaker 1>what started as a warming station in winter now serves

0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 1>as a cooling station this summer for its few dozen

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>residents as gears shift and new seasonal materials are required.

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<v Speaker 1>The camp has been exploring alternative methods of funding to

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<v Speaker 1>sustain the level of resources and services they've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to provide the past few months. We did launch a

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<v Speaker 1>go fund me and we've had pretty good looks so far.

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<v Speaker 1>We've raised seven thousand, five UM. This is just for

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<v Speaker 1>operating funds. UM. There's a lot that we would like

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<v Speaker 1>to do here, a lot we'd like to do with

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the land, but for now we just need We're just

0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.199
<v Speaker 1>fundraising to keep going. The camp still serves around twenty

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>five people, so resources end up getting distributed across a

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:16.439
<v Speaker 1>large collection of individuals. All the donations received have been

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<v Speaker 1>used to provide necessities to survive, including but not limited to,

0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>shelters like tents, food, water, medical supplies, bedding, clothes, bus passes,

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>medical services and prescriptions, hard production supplies, funds for individuals

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>immediate needs, and assistance to pay with residents phone bills.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes funds are also used to compensate residents for extra

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>labor put towards maintaining the camp, like cleaning up the campsite,

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>cutting up firewood, and providing extra services like haircuts. The

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<v Speaker 1>response has been really good. I think people understand what

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to do and are are being really receptive

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Um I can't say the same about

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the city though. Uh. We met with Councilwoman shale A

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<v Speaker 1>Favor from the city on Monday and presented a proposal.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked for eighty five dollars over the next six

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<v Speaker 1>months to continue operation, to pay a small salary to

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the three volunteers that are here all the time. Um

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<v Speaker 1>for healthcare for a small stipend to give to each

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>resident of the camp every every week, UM additional operating funds.

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<v Speaker 1>Just we came to them with this ask and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really seem to get it UM, so we're gonna

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>keep trying. They UM, they felt like they can't really

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>support a tent city in their minds, like they couldn't

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>give money to support people who were residing in tense

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 1>because chance are inadequate shelter. But I mean, I can

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>test that not having a tent is also an adequate shelter.

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:12.640
<v Speaker 1>The city of Columbus relies almost completely on the Community

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Shelter Board to manage its problem with homelessness. Community Shelter

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<v Speaker 1>Board has a revenue of around forty four million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year. They pay their director half a million dollars

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>just under UM and a few other executives received ample compensation.

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>But their success rate for the entire county is labeled

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<v Speaker 1>at you go through their data, they have managed to

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<v Speaker 1>get percent of the people who come through their shelter

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<v Speaker 1>into some sort of housing. For the zip code that

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<v Speaker 1>we're serving at seven, which equates to eight people over

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the past year. So what they're doing is not working

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>at all, and they know where, but they don't know

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>what else to do. Whenever we talk to the city,

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>someone tells us to talk to this one in particular person.

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Her name has Emerald her nand as Para. She is

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<v Speaker 1>the assistant director of Special Projects for the Department of Development.

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>If you have a problem with a homeless camp in

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the city, she is the person that the city wants

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you to talk to, no matter what, um if, if

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you're homeless, that's who that's who they want you to

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>talk to. She's under the Department of Development. Her her

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:39.360
<v Speaker 1>main focus is economic development. She's just special projects, which

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>means she helps clear the way by getting camps out

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of the way for development projects. That's that's her role

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and and she is the city's liaison. No matter who

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>we talk to, she's the one that we keep coming

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>back to. So I I think it's pretty um cynical

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>and upsetting that this isn't under the pur view of

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Health, you know, and any any other

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 1>department would be a little bit better than the Department

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of Development to show so much we care. We're planning

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the city. Uh, regardless of what

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>they say about this initial proposal, because there's a lot

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>to what we'd like to build here and and we

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>think they'd be amenable if they understood. We're drafting a

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>second round proposal taking inspiration from Dignity Village in Portland.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>It's an autonomous village of fun housed people that's existed

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and I think there's a lot of

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>career that we can learn from them for modeling this

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>in a way that the city might better understand. We

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>believe that what we're doing here is transitional housing, and

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the people who are here want to be involved in

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>building that transitional housing for themselves and then for the

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>people to come out here. So that's that's what we're

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>hoping to get the city to sign off on. When

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>we met with we met with the councilwoman. One of

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the things that she said was they at the city

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>they don't have a model for serving the population that

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>we're serving. Um, they don't They don't know how to

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>handle people who don't want to move inside, who don't

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>want to move into the shelter system for whatever reason,

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>and so all they can really do is move them around. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to tell them that we do have a

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<v Speaker 1>model and we think we think that we can help

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<v Speaker 1>the city as long as they stay pretty hands off

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<v Speaker 1>and give us money for it. So fingers crossed, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to hold my breath by fingers crossed. The

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<v Speaker 1>city of Columbus has been much more openly hostile to

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<v Speaker 1>some other encampments providing cooling and alter in parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the city. We're not the only on house encampment in Columbus. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>There there are a lot more, and there's one that

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<v Speaker 1>is at it's called here Park on the south side.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of friends there. UM. Our organization

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<v Speaker 1>works with their organization. UH. They were served a fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>day eviction notice UM on the first and they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>ntild to move out. UM. So we're doing whatever we

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<v Speaker 1>can to support them. But UM, it very much feels

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<v Speaker 1>like we're being treated like the good camp and they're

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<v Speaker 1>the bad camp right now. So we're trying our best

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that the city knows that we're with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I I'm whatever they think about us. We

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<v Speaker 1>we support those people no matter what, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>whatever we can to help. UM. We're trying to give

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<v Speaker 1>them advice about the things that have worked for us

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the city a way, and hopefully if they

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<v Speaker 1>do have to move on the fourteen, they'll be able

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<v Speaker 1>to set up somewhere where the city or give them

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<v Speaker 1>a break. Here is some audio of a press conference

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<v Speaker 1>given at the Here Park Camp just last week. The

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>city is not out here giving out water. The city

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<v Speaker 1>is not out here making sure that uh people don't

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<v Speaker 1>get heat exhaustion or heat stroke. Right, They're nowhere to

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<v Speaker 1>be found, So we are here to remind them. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a hundred and thirty five million dollars in American

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<v Speaker 1>Rescue Plan funds. Where is this money going? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>we not have housing? This weather is just a little

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 1>taste for many of us of the conditions that our

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>unhoused neighbors out here can look forward to enduring for

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<v Speaker 1>the entire summer. The city of Columbus was planning on

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<v Speaker 1>evicting our people today June fourteenth. They delayed that eviction.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a human right, so we are here to

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<v Speaker 1>assert our human rights to housing. They're hoping that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get hot and tired and we're out. Are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to let up? The Here Park Camp eviction

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<v Speaker 1>was pushed back to June one due to a massive

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<v Speaker 1>heat wave, and by June one, the temperature was still

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<v Speaker 1>in the upper nineties, but the city followed through on

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<v Speaker 1>their threat and swept the camp. At least twenty Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>police cruisers, city attorneys, people from the Department of Development,

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and other city employees were on site for the eviction.

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<v Speaker 1>Bulldozers and massive machinery crushed people's tents and personal belongings.

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<v Speaker 1>Some folks, forcibly displaced, have lived in the Here Park

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<v Speaker 1>for nearly a decade. For wrapping up this episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>had just one more question for Elizabeth, for people who

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<v Speaker 1>would be interested in trying to create similar projects or

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<v Speaker 1>hopeful similar similar projects in their area, how will it

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<v Speaker 1>would be some advice to give to people who who

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<v Speaker 1>are want to try something similar. What's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that you've learned the past few months that you

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of surprised by UM, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if if you could do anything different, what's what's like

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<v Speaker 1>what's the kind of stuff that you would uh that

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<v Speaker 1>you would approach UM to make the processes like smoother

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<v Speaker 1>or slightly more improved. Well, I would have looked for

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<v Speaker 1>more funders first. UM. The one of the most painful

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<v Speaker 1>parts for me, has like just personally has been holding

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<v Speaker 1>the purse um, being the person that everyone knows to

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<v Speaker 1>ask for for cash if they needed for something. UM

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<v Speaker 1>it it is a it is a real strain on

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<v Speaker 1>on compassion sometimes, you know, on compassion fatigue is real,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can be really hard day and day out

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<v Speaker 1>having to field requests from people who you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>need these resources, but you can't always give everything. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say no. Learning to say no has

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<v Speaker 1>um has helped, but ah, diversifying our funding sources is

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<v Speaker 1>also helping a lot. Um. I've learned that I can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it all and that I need to take breaks

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and that being here is is what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't mean I need to always always do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you've got to step away. Um. I I wish

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<v Speaker 1>that I had spent a little more time with my

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>family um rather than you know, throwing myself completely into

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<v Speaker 1>this U. But two months ago my fiance, my ex fiance,

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<v Speaker 1>asked me to leave. So I have been living at

0:34:55.960 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the camp too. UM so I It's it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty stark jump to go from having a big house

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<v Speaker 1>and some retirement funds to living in a tent and

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<v Speaker 1>having none. But I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't change it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to keep doing it. It's because I can,

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<v Speaker 1>because I could, And that's that's really what I want

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<v Speaker 1>people to see is that if they can do something,

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<v Speaker 1>they should. Um, it's the best job I've ever had. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, nothing is more rewarding than going to work

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<v Speaker 1>and hanging out with your friends all day, like helping

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>them get jobs and find apartments and meet friends. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many wonderful people here, and like me and

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the other volunteers, we love all of them and want

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<v Speaker 1>nothing more than to see them succeed. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I just advised people to do what they can

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<v Speaker 1>to for what they need and try and provide it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who wants to know more about the First Collective

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<v Speaker 1>and what they're doing, you can go to First hyphen

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<v Speaker 1>Collective dot org. You can find links on Elizabeth's Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>account at Innate Optimist. And even if you disagree with

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<v Speaker 1>some of the organizational or structural choices, I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>the gaps in their local community that isn't for us today,

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