WEBVTT - Michael Peña

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<v Speaker 1>On this program, you introduce yourself, so it's your version

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<v Speaker 1>of the following sentence. It could be literally anything. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Michael Pena and I blank whenever you're ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was good, Uh, just bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's bad stuff. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but nobody's gonna say, like, hey, I'm Michael Panna. Fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's gonna say that.

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<v Speaker 3>You could say whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no one's gonna say that. Nobody should say that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because I heard my kids say and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I'm like, hey, I'm like, that's kind of cool. Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Penya and I'm an actor musician.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, They're friends, and welcome to a brand spanking new

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Off the Beat. This is your host Brian Baumgartner. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I am very very excited to bring on my good

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<v Speaker 1>friend and golfing campadre Michael Pania, a man who has

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<v Speaker 1>fought tirelessly for the NYPD, the LAPD, the DEA, the CIA,

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<v Speaker 1>and the MCU, at least on screen. You may know

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<v Speaker 1>him as Luis on ant Man Kiki Camarina in Narcos Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>or from his classic role as Armando Renta on one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite shows the Shield. Mike has been in

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of incredible movies and TV shows, not the

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<v Speaker 1>least of which Crash, Million Dollar Baby, American Hustle, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. And some of you parents listening

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<v Speaker 1>might be familiar with his roles on Tom and Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>or Dora and The Lost City of Gold. The man

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<v Speaker 1>has range people, and he has worked with truly some

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<v Speaker 1>of the best in the business. So with that said,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just dive in, shall we. Here he is Michael Pina.

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<v Speaker 4>Bubble and Squeak. I love it Bubble and Squeak. I know,

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<v Speaker 4>Bubble and Squeak. I cook get every mon lift over

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<v Speaker 4>from the night before.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, buddy, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey dude, good to see you, buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, yes, here's the thing. I know you just

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<v Speaker 1>had a rough, rough travel experience. I feel like a

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<v Speaker 1>person never feels more helpless than when you're than when

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<v Speaker 1>you're stuck, because there is truly nothing you can do,

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<v Speaker 1>no and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it was weird. So we were just talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got stuck in Newark for about over

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours, and you know, they say we can

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<v Speaker 2>have a voucher. It was. It was basically at five

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock my flight, and then they kept and they kept

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<v Speaker 2>delaying it, and then and then it was like eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night and the plane was there, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>but they just didn't have a crew. So and then

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're like, they're like, come back in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we got there at seven thirty eight, nine ten,

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<v Speaker 2>still not there. And then we get news like at

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<v Speaker 2>noon that they're waiting for a crew, and I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell me that in the beginning, right, And then

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<v Speaker 2>so I went to social media. Dude, I got on

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<v Speaker 2>my Instagram and I became one of those dudes where

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, where, I don't like this. And then

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<v Speaker 2>but what was good. What was good is that other

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<v Speaker 2>I saw other people are like, dude, are you new

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<v Speaker 2>York too? And I was like I am and so

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<v Speaker 2>but but there was like so many flights out of

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<v Speaker 2>Newark that were just getting stuck, and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>coming home from a great charity event, you know, from Portland,

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<v Speaker 2>Maine and stuff. But I know that's the only times

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<v Speaker 2>I ever do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I want.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be there as well, but after seeing

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<v Speaker 1>your not you didn't want you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to be in Newark. No, no tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not want to be I did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to be stuck with you. No, let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a question, because I you said the voucher. An airline

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<v Speaker 1>will give you a voucher for a room. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>what I do not understand. Okay, people who say they

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<v Speaker 1>spent the night at an airport, why are they doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because here's the thing. Here's the here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's a new automated thing. So like, instead of

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<v Speaker 2>talking to a person, you get in line to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to a person, and if by any chance, like and

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<v Speaker 2>it was taking hours and hours, and I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>it's already taking three hours. So all the flights that

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<v Speaker 2>were canceled. Imagine if there's two hundred people on a

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<v Speaker 2>flight and then there's like a thousand people trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get through. Everyone's trying to get that voucher, and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's a apparently there's a limit on the voucher. And

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<v Speaker 2>so what they did was they gave us some gummy

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<v Speaker 2>bears and and and dude, the gummy bears was so good. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>when you haven't eaten and everything's closed and shake Shack.

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<v Speaker 2>You could still smell it, but you can't order it.

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<v Speaker 2>Those gummy bears were so good. And Dorito's, you know

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<v Speaker 2>they got the you know the just top shelf basket snacks, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so but anyway, so I'm like, I try to

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<v Speaker 2>get I tried to get a voucher and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just to just out of principle. I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get this vouchuer. I just gave up.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was only for two hundred bucks. The Uber.

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<v Speaker 2>The uber, I mean ride to and from the airport

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<v Speaker 2>is two hundred bucks at least because.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to go to the new slept in there.

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<v Speaker 3>So you did. You did what I was saying. You

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<v Speaker 3>didn't go to a hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>No. No, I wasn't Tom hankson terminal. No, but there's were

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<v Speaker 2>there were people that actually slept there. And it's weird

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<v Speaker 2>because you you see these people for twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 2>and then you start talking to them, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>get so bored. You're like, I'm just talking to anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, because you're you're just trying to pass

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<v Speaker 2>the time. And here's the other weird thing. Jet Blue

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<v Speaker 2>was across the way from US, and they're saying like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's weather. Jet Blue doesn't give a rats ask dude,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like they're sending people off, Dude. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, man, I should have booked jet Blue for

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<v Speaker 2>just that one trip. Yeah, there's a lot of crazy information,

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<v Speaker 2>but dude, I'm always gonna remember those gummy bears.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those gummy bears. Nothing tastes nothing tastes good as

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<v Speaker 1>still Airport gummy bears.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's almost like, yeah, it reminds you of like

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<v Speaker 2>when you're a kid that no matter what, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the back seat and you're traveling forever and then

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<v Speaker 2>they hand you like a little pace of candy and

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<v Speaker 2>everything's all way, everything's okay, and you're like and I

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<v Speaker 2>was at sucker. I was like, these are pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>gummy bears.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, well, I hope your travel experience to beautiful Lake

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<v Speaker 1>Tahoe is not the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are you going to be there?

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<v Speaker 1>American Century Championship. I'm going to be there. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite week of the year. I didn't I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get the I didn't get the warm up tournament like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys did there in Portland, Maine.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's my excuse this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you didn't get What's what's weird is that we

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<v Speaker 2>get thrown into these you know, there's these guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are like really really good golfers. They're like semi pro

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<v Speaker 2>or a little bit less than semi pro. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>really compete with the pros, but they play tournament, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially all these guys that are retired, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like where you know, we keep working and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel weird if I don't work, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. I'm like hopefully, like I just keep

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<v Speaker 2>on working and I'm never going to retire. So they

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot, you know, they do all these tournaments

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. I do like three a year. So

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<v Speaker 2>they toss you in these tournaments like as if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a pro, you know what I mean, Like they have

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of people around you. Yeah, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I sometimes I'm like, do you people really shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be standing out here? Man? Like, dude, what do you like?

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<v Speaker 2>How many people do you think get hit every year

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<v Speaker 2>and don't care?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's cool man, A lot a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you I had I had an especially

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember who I was playing with but last

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<v Speaker 1>year teeing off on the first tee, I had an

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<v Speaker 1>especially large gallery teeing off and you know there's that

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<v Speaker 1>there's the you know, the the tea box on the left.

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<v Speaker 1>I came here if it's one or ten, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a tree to the right just over the water there.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that's that's number one. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I blocked one right into that tree and there were

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know seventy five people trying to hide behind

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<v Speaker 1>one skinny little tree. And I thought, this is it,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it. I've been here fifteen years. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the year I kill somebody. This is gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, dude. And so that like obviously like

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<v Speaker 2>I hit a person, but it bounced, bounced, then hit

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<v Speaker 2>like a person like on the back or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it was it wasn't. It wasn't on the fly

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<v Speaker 2>where you could really hurt somebody, right, And and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even in professional tournaments, they give them a glove and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, they gave me the glove. It's there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>their version of the gummy bears, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>They're bleeding from their head and you're like, look, look

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<v Speaker 2>they gave us a glove.

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<v Speaker 3>They gave me a glove.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave me a glove, and then on top of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna give that person the gummy bears

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<v Speaker 2>that I got from the airport, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know exactly just opened. Just there's like seven left.

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<v Speaker 2>You're want to give them a partial one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, but it's uh, it's it's my favorite week

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. What I always say is it's it

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<v Speaker 1>is for me. I probably care too much. It is

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<v Speaker 1>my hardest week of the year, but it is the

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<v Speaker 1>the I love it so much. Yeah, it's so difficult. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like seventeen now, I'm okay. This is

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<v Speaker 1>with all the people off the first off, the first

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<v Speaker 1>t Yeah, getting getting that peg on the ground that

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<v Speaker 1>on that first TUD.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I wish they would put like a camera

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<v Speaker 2>on the first t like on the ground, just to see.

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<v Speaker 3>This, yeah, shaking hand, just shaking of the hand.

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<v Speaker 2>And dude, what was interesting to me is I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>the most decorated of professionals, like you know, NBA champions,

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<v Speaker 2>like NFL, Super Bowl winners, like all this stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you see their handshake and then you're like Oh dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm screwed. Man. If those guys, if those guys are shaking,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, dude, what about an actor that learns

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<v Speaker 2>poetry you know what I mean to tell to say

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<v Speaker 2>in front of people, like and I mainly do movies,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really small, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm like, I think it's okay, but like

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<v Speaker 2>I get, I think the whole game of it, the

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<v Speaker 2>major game, is just kind of controlling your nerves, right like,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's yes, I get, I get so keyed up. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I swing like seventy five percent, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just just like anything, right, Like, I guess acting and auditions,

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<v Speaker 2>like how are you at the audition for the Office,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I've said now that I was so

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<v Speaker 1>I had been doing theater before that, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a there was a part of me

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<v Speaker 1>that I was I was too ignorant to be nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was too, I was too sort of young.

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<v Speaker 1>I was too I hadn't been through the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the battles, the failures, the like humiliations, the you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Just different situations. So I think I was I was more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was way more loose than than I

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<v Speaker 1>would have been now for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bro, I were do you just remind to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember going to like a it wasn't a Levi's

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<v Speaker 2>commercial because I was able to get that one, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have like the commercial look. And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>there was there was some shit. They were like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those where you're like, take your shirt off,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, yeah, sure, no problem. And I'm like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>put it back on. Put it back on. And they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even take a picture. They didn't they didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>take a picture. I'm like twenty five years old, and

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<v Speaker 2>I used to wrestle in high school and I was

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<v Speaker 2>in good shape, and I was just just so dumb

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<v Speaker 2>about it that I was like, oh, I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not in that great but great a shape anymore. You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to take a picture just to laugh with

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<v Speaker 2>your friends. Yeah, so there was talk about embarrassment, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>there was You didn't have that that scar tissue where

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<v Speaker 2>when you're first starting out as an actor. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why, but like you just because you get rejected

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<v Speaker 2>so much that you really want to have the feedback,

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<v Speaker 2>Like why didn't they want me, And why did they

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<v Speaker 2>choose Denzel Washington? Just tell me, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and and and and they finally get feedback and blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah, and it's always not good. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like he's not handsome enough, he's not thin enough,

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<v Speaker 2>he's too thin, he's not It's always it's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>or the other, you know what I mean. And you

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<v Speaker 2>just get crushed and you need to know. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like talking to your ex girlfriend. You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you dating right now? No, that's right. You can

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<v Speaker 2>tell me. I don't care. I don't care you are

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>What does he have that I don't?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he on his next top model? Is he?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He graduated from Harvard too, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go back to your earlier days just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. You grew up in Chicago, I know, talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me a little bit about your childhood. Your parents

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<v Speaker 1>both from Mexico. Did that did that shape you early on?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>What what what was that for you in Chicago with

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<v Speaker 1>two Mexican parents in the seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, was it was it was I

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<v Speaker 2>had like the weirdest and craziest childhood because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>we were super poor and everybody worked all the time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and and so my parents were like really hard workers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So they instilled that in me, right, And so my

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<v Speaker 2>dad was working two jobs, my mom was working two

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<v Speaker 2>jobs just to put us in prep school.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I lived in sixteenth in California, which is

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<v Speaker 2>right by Coke County Jail, across the street from Douglas Park,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the hood, right, and then I'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>travel all the way to Maria's prep school, like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred blocks one hundred some odd blocks. Well, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>travel from there, but that's where I started. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I went to prep school. And then so there's guys

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<v Speaker 2>named Bartholomew, who's whose dad is a trial lawyer, and

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<v Speaker 2>and you know Jeremiah, who's you know who's They're all

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<v Speaker 2>like judges and lawyers and senators and you know, real

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<v Speaker 2>estate mogul. Like it's so funny. It was like I

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<v Speaker 2>came from really really poor and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to this school where it's like old money

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy, dude, because even if everybody lost their jobs

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<v Speaker 2>in that family, they would still be okay, their great

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<v Speaker 2>grandkids would still be Okay, that's that's old money, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, where they have they have their

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<v Speaker 2>hands and so much. And I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>your parents do and you're like, uh, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>we actually we're just in buttons. And then I look

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<v Speaker 2>them up and they have ten factories that make buttons,

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<v Speaker 2>and I and then one one of my friends is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we do soap, you know, and they always have that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of affected, you know thing. And I worked at

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<v Speaker 2>a soap factory. So I'm like, I got a job

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<v Speaker 2>working for this kid's dad and you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just his Yeah, that's their last name right there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So that was during the day and then when

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<v Speaker 2>I would get home, they're like, go back because you

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<v Speaker 2>could read Hume And I was like, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>like it was just two different, two different lives that

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<v Speaker 2>I was living at the same time. That was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy. And across the street from Douglas Park, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of kids that were being shot

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<v Speaker 2>and killed because they would stay out, you know, past

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<v Speaker 2>when it was dark or or if you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>were hanging out like say you went to the store,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were some gang members. We were taught to

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<v Speaker 2>not go in there, even if we were really thirsty

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<v Speaker 2>or really whatever, because what would happen is that drive bys,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they they would see other gang members and

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<v Speaker 2>that's when you would get shot. That's when you would

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<v Speaker 2>be the innocent bystander who got shot, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. So you had to, you know, do your

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<v Speaker 2>reconnaissance really quickly and see if there's gangsters there, or

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes gangsters were drunk and you know, they they forgot

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<v Speaker 2>who you were, and then maybe they they forgot that

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<v Speaker 2>you were from the neighborhood. And you know, so there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of kids that were dying and getting killed.

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<v Speaker 2>So like Mama got cable and rather and we were

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<v Speaker 2>super active. But instead of you know, letting us go

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<v Speaker 2>outside and you know, ride our bike or anything, she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>just watch cable. Just watch cable and and don't go outside.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. So we were watching a lot of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of HBO, like you know, like Bachelor Party with

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Hanks. And then we were like and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was the back button that went to CB like

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<v Speaker 2>PBS or something like immediately like if we heard any

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<v Speaker 2>keys and we and we but the good thing is

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<v Speaker 2>that we had five different locks, so it would take

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<v Speaker 2>a while, you know what I mean, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>little good time. We wouldn't we wouldn't switch it until

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<v Speaker 2>the second door. So so that was so that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, to be honest with you, I was

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<v Speaker 2>a break dancer. I was a like we everybody would,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we we would we were bad rappers, but

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<v Speaker 2>we wrap in the you know, in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>corner or with our friends or whatever. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>would everybody was drawing and and then my other would

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<v Speaker 2>come home with these crazy stories because he was a

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half older than me, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>come up with these crazy stories. And because we had

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have the vocabulary that we do now, he

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<v Speaker 2>would imitate the people to me. And then I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really cool that I started imitating people to him.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how I actually started acting, right was and

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<v Speaker 2>then my mom was really good at it. And my

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 2>mom was was you know, she was the funny one

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<v Speaker 2>in the family. She was hilarious. Dude. She would say

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<v Speaker 2>things that you know that would embarrass you, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was stuck with so much truth. She could have been

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<v Speaker 2>a stand up comedian if she wanted to. She was badass,

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<v Speaker 2>and my dad was a really serious man, very so

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's where I get the you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I like doing comedy and being with my

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<v Speaker 2>mom's energy, and then drama is definitely my dad's energy

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<v Speaker 2>because he was a very brooding He is a very

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<v Speaker 2>brooding kind of a guy. But that's how I started acting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just imitating people to my brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there ever a point where you almost made another

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<v Speaker 1>choice and and not stay home and go out were

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<v Speaker 1>you were you recruited to go into a gang or

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<v Speaker 1>a different group.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't ever recruited because by the time I

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<v Speaker 2>got to because I remember I went to uh st

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<v Speaker 2>Nick's and I was a skateboarder at the time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and for some reason it was really cool, but they

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<v Speaker 2>left the skateboarders, you know alone. You know, we had

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<v Speaker 2>baggy pants and we wore a lot of khakis, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>plaid shirts just to make sure that you weren't wearing

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<v Speaker 2>like at that time, it was a lot of yellow, gold, red, blue. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those were the four that we just kind of stayed

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<v Speaker 2>away from. And because blue stood for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different gangs, and gold and yellow stood for oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>like two of the gangs that were warring against each other.

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<v Speaker 2>So I could just imagine he's like, is that yellow

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<v Speaker 2>or is that gold? I can't tell hide. Should we

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<v Speaker 2>shoot him or not?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tell God.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, that's a tough one. Bro. We got asked,

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<v Speaker 2>can you imagine, dude? But anyway, so, yeah, so they

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<v Speaker 2>left us alone.

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<v Speaker 1>You talked about in fact, I heard you used to

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<v Speaker 1>charge twenty five cents to your your classmates to do impressions,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're doing impressions with your family. Did you think

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<v Speaker 1>at this point this is what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a moment for you? Was there a moment

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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<v Speaker 2>No, man, because I was I was in football, wrestling, track,

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<v Speaker 2>and then freestyle wrestling during the summer, right, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I took second in the City of Chicago and wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went downstate and freestyle and I took

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<v Speaker 2>like fifth or sixth uh, But that was freestyle, not

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<v Speaker 2>folk style, because I I I went downstate my junior

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<v Speaker 2>senior year. But then I I always had injuries, like

0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.919
<v Speaker 2>I had a dislocated thumb where I couldn't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't use it and my mom didn't let me wrestle,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't know what if I could have placed

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<v Speaker 2>or not. But yeah, so I was I was on

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<v Speaker 2>that route and I was I was. I was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those kids that was really good at math for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason because my mom taught us timestables by the

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<v Speaker 2>time we were like three or four. You know, she

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, she wanted to make something of us,

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<v Speaker 2>and she definitely instilled like the hard work, and you know,

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 2>while we were she would make it fun, like she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's this time At the time, She's like, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you get it. You get a scoop of once again,

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.200
<v Speaker 2>the gummy bears. But here's like that you get you

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<v Speaker 2>get a scoop of of cereal, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>But we like to play the game, you know, even

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<v Speaker 2>though like whatever it was. And then my brother was

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<v Speaker 2>always really good at math too, and so I did

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<v Speaker 2>calculus when I was like a junior or something, or

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<v Speaker 2>in college algebra when I was like yeah, so and

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<v Speaker 2>then I went into ap cows and so you know, math, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was something that was that I was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good at, and so I thought I was one

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<v Speaker 2>to I want to get into finance but more of

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<v Speaker 2>the more probably of the you know, the the numbers

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.480
<v Speaker 2>cruncher trying to find an angle, you know, more of

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<v Speaker 2>an analyst than I would be that of a salesman

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<v Speaker 2>or a trader, because I used to work at the

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<v Speaker 2>Board of Trade when I was seventeen, because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was going to get into. So I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to rub shoulders with a bunch of those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one day, you know, this was before college

0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.679
<v Speaker 2>or anything. I ended up not going to college, but

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<v Speaker 2>I kept imitating these guys who were just slammed on coke,

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<v Speaker 2>trading and analyzing and doing you know, like they were

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.400
<v Speaker 2>just they were amazing because like they were so slammed

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 2>on coke that they didn't know they thought they were

0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>fooling everybody. They're like, you know what I'm saying, Pal,

0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Pal, That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Pow Mike, Right, Mike, great, dude, you're doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, dude, what is this guy chewing up?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what the hell was he doing? There's a you know,

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 2>and they were talking to you, and but anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>I would imitate him, and I would do that and

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<v Speaker 2>then my best friend SOMs like, you should be an actor,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like what, Oh my god, you should be

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<v Speaker 2>an I was like, what nobody in my neighborhood is

0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 2>an actor, you know what I mean? And she I

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<v Speaker 2>missed the first one, which was zebra Head. They were

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.679
<v Speaker 2>having an open call in Chicago. She forced me to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the second one. And in the second one, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Auditioned This is to Sir with Love Part two, Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, dude, I was angry, dude. I

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 2>was like. I was hanging out with my friend Vinnie,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I gotta go to this thing, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we were partying the night before. We were

0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>drinking and I was like eighteen or nineteen, I don't

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 2>know what that one was. We were drinking and then,

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, I remember waking up in the morning. I

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I gotta go and there was like

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 2>three thousand kids, and I remember there was like four

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 2>paragraphs and I had read each one of them. I

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>really got into like hip hop, and you know, we

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 2>would sing all the songs, so that felt a little

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>bit like acting. So I was like, I'm just gonna

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 2>imitate this guy that I've seen on TV. You know, like,

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I've seen this character before, and I've seen that character before.

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna seen that one. And then so I did it,

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 2>and after the second one, the guy's like, who's your agent?

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Who's your agent? So like real estate agent? Like what

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 2>do you mean? I had no clue, dude. I thought

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>this guy, by the way, it's summer, it's Chicago, right,

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 2>and this guy's got an ascot on right, And I

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, dude, this, who's this guy? Who? No, no, no,

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 2>it was his producer. And he's like, just tell me

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 2>who your agent is, you know, one of those Like

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a different flow, you know what I mean. It's like,

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 2>just tell me who are your agent? This that's fine.

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 2>They set you up, this is fine. I was like, listen, man,

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a real estate agent. And he's like, no,

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>you're acting agent. And I was like, okay, man, I

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Dude. He's like, we want you to come back.

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like for what I was combating him, mude. He's

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>like he's like, do you want I'm like, I have

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>to come back again, and I'm like, yeah, just go

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 2>to this person. I went to the casting director. Casting

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.360
<v Speaker 2>director says puts me on tape and says, you could

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>really do this, And then I auditioned like five more

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 2>times and I don't end up getting the part, but instead,

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was like, screw it. I'm you know.

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.639
<v Speaker 2>One of my friends Sam said you should try to

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 2>be an extra in it. I was like, all right, whatever,

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and I had no idea about what any of this

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff was. And I'm sitting down and then I could

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 2>see that the producer with the ascot said that's the

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 2>kid that auditioned that almost got the part. And so

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 2>they selected like ten kids, me being one of them

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.640
<v Speaker 2>to be a featured extra. And so the crazy blessing

0:25:55.720 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 2>was that I got to see Sydney Poitier beginning to

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>end start rehearsals, learn, you know, put it on its feet,

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 2>fail miserably and like what is that line? Why should

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I do this? Put a question mark? You know, he

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>was memorizing his lines and going through the and I

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 2>saw like a master at work. And immediately I was like,

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 2>all right, if I can, if I have any any

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>little bit of talent, I want to do what that

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>guy's doing, because it was amazing, dude, like he was

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>just talking to you. And then all of a sudden,

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>this guy got emotional and he was funny and he

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>was charismatic, and he saw it grow from rehearsals to

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the final product. Like the guy was a magician, you

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And for some reason, to me,

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 2>it was almost like sports where you're like, Okay, maybe

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>you're not good in the beginning, but if you work

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>on it a little bit through repetition and just applying yourself,

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get better. And that's exactly what he did.

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>But I had no idea when I got to Hollywood

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that I was dealt with one of the legends in Hollywood, right,

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 2>And so, yeah, dude, A crazy gift. A crazy gift, dude.

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And I was as an extra.

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.919
<v Speaker 1>Wow, but that you were given that opportunity to just

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>watch and learn and see somebody do it. Was he

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 1>generous to you.

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Kid. Gosh, dude, He's like he came up to me,

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know, that's when I started acting, when

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I was nineteen. I was like, that's really cool, and

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>he's like, could you do me a favor? It was

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 2>like whatever you want. He's like, just be in one spot.

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no problem, no problem, because what happened is

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 2>that I was in this shot. I was in that shot.

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 2>I was in this shot. I was the worst extra

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of all time, dude. They had to cut around me,

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 2>and they had to enlarge some of the things because

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought, Daddy's going to go in front of the camera, dude,

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I thought I was going

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to like my job was just to be in front

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 2>of the camera, so I always in front of the camera.

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>You eventually side to move to Los Angeles, and pretty

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 1>quickly it appears to me book your first feature film

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>my fellow Americans with I mean, you talk about Sidney

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Poitier being a legend. Two more Jack Lemon and James Garner.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>What was that experience getting that that well film?

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I got to tell you before before I did that,

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Like the casting director after the movie said you should

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 2>get an agent. I was like, oh yeah, this agent

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>thing again, right. So they sent me to Stewart Agency

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 2>in Chicago, Okay, And and they sent me to a

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to a coach to see what range I had by

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>And this guy's name is Glen Haynes, really cool guy.

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>And then we did a couple of scenes and after

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>those scenes he's like screw it, because because the casting

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>director and everybody else said you should do theater in

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Chicago and really own your craft and then and then go.

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>So I met this coach and the coach is like, yeah,

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>but to be honest with you, you can be on NYPD

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Blue three times, you know, all these other shows and

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>learn how to act while you're doing that. Wait what

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, you should be in LA right now,

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, okay, cool. So I went to

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 2>LA and I kept going to more open calls. I

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>thought that the open call was the way to go.

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, I kept I went to the open

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>call for Dangerous Minds, okay, and they're like, you know,

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you could just get an agent and do that. He's like,

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>well no, but I was an extra. Yeah yeah. And

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>then I went to producers for Dangerous Minds and all

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and then and then I went to another one,

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and then finally there was an agent. There's like, hey,

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 2>why don't I help you out? And I was like,

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 2>how much do you charge? Ten percent? Now? I think

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to do the open call thing. Dude.

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I did, And then I kept going open calls, but

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>for like small movies that weren't very good about right,

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I don't want somebody to take

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>ten percent. But anyway, Glenn Haynes introduced me to a cast,

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful cast by the name of Karen Ray. And

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Karen Ray says, you know, there's a part in here

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 2>for you, and I was like, okay, cool, and I

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>went and she coached me through it. She was such

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>a like uncool dude, you know what I mean. It

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>just it takes a lot of people just to even

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 2>get a little bit of a break, right. And so

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I auditioned for it. I wasn't good in the first audition,

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and then she pulled me aside. She was a little angry.

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>She's like, you got to give the energy. You got

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to give the energy. This guy's like, you know, he's

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>desperate to get back home, blah blah blah, this and that.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Do that. She's like, Okay, that's it, and then she

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>brought me back. Peter Siegel is the guy that gave

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 2>me my first real job. He Saturday and he's like,

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Can you do it again? Try this?

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Try that perfect? And then like I was naive enough

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>to do this movie with Jack Lemon and James Garner,

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 2>who I only knew Jack Lemon from Grumpy Old Men.

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>That's how I wrote it down in my in my thing,

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and so I, you know, then I started watching all

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>this stuff like, oh my gosh, this guy won, you know,

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>he won an oscar, and so I was blessed enough

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>to like go and they were playing paying me a

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>weekly rate and per diem super great, and I was

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the rain cover. I was for cover, right, So basically

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that means that like they get you on set in Greenville,

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, just just in case it rains, they hit

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>your scene, right. I was there for eight weeks getting paid. Wow.

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 2>It was insane, dude. I was like, whatever the minimum was,

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>that's what I was getting paid. But I was getting

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 2>paid that every week. I was like, this is great.

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And then finally when they're like, oh, we're gonna do

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 2>your scene now, I'm like, are you sure? Are you sure?

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's going to rain. They're like, we're

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>close to the end. So we did my scene, but

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>then they put me in another sea. So I was like,

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I got more money, and I was like I was

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 2>able to save that money, you know, so, because after

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't I was like trying to get you know,

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 2>then you get tossed into the almost the real world, right,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>find out that there's like a thousand people that look

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>just like you.

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>What was your family's response to seeing you on screen

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>for the first time.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 2>My mom was sick at the time, so she wasn't

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 2>doing well, and my dad was.

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Like, it's good, it's good, okay.

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, but you know, I came home skinny, and

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 2>they didn't know what the hell was going on because,

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I didn't have enough money for food, and

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>so they just wanted me to come home like, yeah,

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>there's this little part, but he's not starring in it.

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 2>They had no idea that that was a pretty big breaker. Thy.

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, my parents were farmers for Mexico, and so

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing was brand new, you know.

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you about this because of our

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>earlier conversation and our mutual love. Is it true that

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>you picked up golfing while filming my fellow Americans?

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Well that's when I first heard of it, right, Okay,

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>because Jack Lemon, you know, kept talking about it, and

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, at this time, I'm like twenty years old,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what's going on here, dude, is

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>what is this crap? Right? And then after that that's

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>when I'm like, years later, I went to like a

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>driving range and then you know, I don't know where

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I was, but like there was a there was a

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>VW bug about eighty yards away, and then the you

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>know whoever was at the you know, the guy driving

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>the tractor. He's like, yeah, I get a bucket of

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>balls to try to hit it on the fly. And

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no problem. It took me like seven

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>buckets blisters like, and I couldn't do it. And that's

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>when I was hooked, because I was but thank god,

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I was like I was, you know, I immediately was like,

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm going to hit this VW bug. So

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>it gave me a target. Blah blah blah, didn't care

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>how fat, you know whatever. And then you know how

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>it is, dude, once you do it, it's like who's

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>the one, who's the rocker? That's uh, he's a scratch golfer,

0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>not Alice Cooper, he says. He says golf is the

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>crack crack of sports. And I was like, dude, what

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>is this? And it's true, It's so addictive regardless of

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 2>how good you are. You just want to be better,

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And and it's one of

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 2>those things that's pretty healthy, especially for an actor that

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>has a little bit of downtime. You can just take

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 2>five bucks or not even you can just take you know,

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.439
<v Speaker 2>old balls and practice a little bit on your own.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, I loved it from the get go, but

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I love everything about it. You know, it's such a challenge.

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like it's almost like watching your your your

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 2>like I'm a Bears fan, so like watching them win,

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>or like you know, being mad, being being upset to

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 2>being like happy and exhilarated. You know, I love it all.

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I love the whole time.

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>You talked about after my fellow Americans realizing what we

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>were talking about before, right suddenly becoming educated enough to

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>know that this is going to be harder than you first.

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Think it's going to be.

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.479
<v Speaker 1>I saw recently and you did do some things touched

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>by an Angel Seventh Heaven Moesha. But I saw on

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>your Instagram as I was stalking you, even though we

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 1>know each other, I wanted to kind of go on there.

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>And recently you posted a photo of you from crash

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and four, and you wrote what started

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 1>it All? Crash two thousand and four. In two thousand

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and four you get cast in not one but two

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Oscar winning movies, Million Dollar Baby and Crash. Why did

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you write that? Why did how for you did Crash

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>start it all?

0:35:56.600 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Well? It was different, you know, the business was different

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>back then that it is now. You know, like now

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>you can jump from like you know, I just did

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>something with John Krasinski, your fellow office member, and you

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>know with Jack Ryan. Now you can do ten episodes

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of something that are like ten movies basically, and then

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.399
<v Speaker 2>jump into movies and it's not a problem. Back then,

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you could only do TV or movies because TV was

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty two episodes, mainly procedurals or sitcoms. Right, it was

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 2>a majority of the year, and maybe you can do

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 2>one movie, but you would you couldn't even really be

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a movie guy because you need you didn't have two

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 2>or three movies a year, and then sometimes they can

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 2>backlog and you have four movies in a year. You know,

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 2>So it was either or right, And I was gambling

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 2>on a movie career just because of what I saw

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and what I what I fell in love with, you know,

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I when I once I started acting, I did the

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>same thing that I did in wrestling. Was I like,

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 2>when I first started wrestling, I sucked. And then I

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 2>started watching college and the Olympics, and I was like, whoa, dude,

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>this is okay, this is the best. How do you

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>How do I do that? I can do one of

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>those moves right. And then, of course, just like any

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 2>other actor, I started watching you know a lot of

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the guys from the Actors Studio and Robert de Niro,

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Hoffman, al Pacino. Then I went back to Marlon Brando,

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 2>James Dean and all those guys like in the sixties

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 2>as well, and you know, I remember, but I remember

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>specifically watching A street Car Name Desire And what's the

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>other movie that's amazing that I've watched like a hundred

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 2>million times on the waterfront on the waterfront, Yeah, and.

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Well what movie have your million times? I don't know,

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, okay, I'm with you. Go ahead.

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, so I'm like, I watched that movie, but

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it was it was A street Car Name Desire where

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, he's really doing something interesting, like and

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 2>even if you can't be as good, you want to be.

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get there, you know, so I I

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 2>gambled on a movie career even though everything was stacked

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 2>up against me. And I don't know if you remember,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 2>but like back in the day, there was you know,

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 2>breakdowns for movies and there was like you know, the

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>star of the show blah blah blah, and it was

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Caucasian only the first like ten lines, and then you know,

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>open to African Americans after that. So we were like

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe on the fifteenth is like open to other ethnicities

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and then so I would only audition for that. I

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 2>was only allowed to. So I was like, I don't

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 2>know if it's ever going to work out. And I was,

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was in a band, so I was like,

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I'm just gonna do bit parts moving forward.

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, there are some Latin American people that did it,

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 2>but they were mainly like the model looking people that

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they get to pass anyone who's a

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 2>model or like ridiculously good looking person, they get a pass.

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know what island they get them from,

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>but they're like, you're good, we don't see any kind

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of color, right and so, but.

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 3>True Benjamin Bratt it doesn't matter.

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, You're like he's fine. Yeah, Yeah, Benjamin Bratt, You're like,

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>he clearly looks like a Latin guy, but he gets back.

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Smith. Yeah, you're like, you're fine. Michael Penyin, You're like, yeah,

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:22.720
<v Speaker 2>put your shirt back on, you know. Right. So anyway,

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>so I'm like, so then I'm like I get you know,

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>it started like in two thousand where I'm like, I

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 2>got a little part for you know, Steven Spielberg had

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 2>this thing called a semperfi, which I got a little

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>pardon and I didn't do all that great. But then

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, I did Felicity, and I was so nervous

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 2>because I never had a really good part. I was like,

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even look at anybody in the e. I

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 2>was just so nervous. Right, I didn't do that good

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 2>of a job either. And then I auditioned for this

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>like a year later, because we did it early. And

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 2>then I think it took maybe two years for it

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 2>to come out, and and and I knew that I

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 2>was just going to get more. I didn't know that

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 2>it was gonna win the Oscar and all that stuff,

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 2>but I was living in a shoe box I had

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 2>no money, and you know what comes out. It comes

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 2>out to really good reviews. And I was like, dude,

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 2>this is so awesome. I'm like, you know, I called

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 2>my manager and I was like, you know, is there

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>any is there any shows that are interested now for

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 2>me to get star in, you know, because you know,

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I just liked acting and you know, to get a

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 2>little change as well. Maybe we can get better TV shows.

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.319
<v Speaker 2>You know who knows. And that's when she's like, you

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 2>know what, Oliver Stone wants to meet you. And I

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>was like silent for thirty seconds, Michael, what does he want?

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Does he have a TV show? And he's like, no,

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 2>he's got a movie. And it was World Trade Center

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>with Nicholas Cage and I met him and I was

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.720
<v Speaker 2>just amazed. I was like, whoa dude, this is headspin.

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.800
<v Speaker 2>So I was literally like on like just a natural

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.879
<v Speaker 2>high for a year, thinking like number one, I can't

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 2>believe that it happened to me, Like I'm just I'm

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 2>just I'm just me, and so like, you know, I

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>got thrown in and there's maybe it's just the way

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the perspective of you know, me being in two Oscar

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.839
<v Speaker 2>winning movies. Back to back. I had a small part

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 2>in one, I had a good part in the other

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>People just look at you differently regardless of what you do,

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.919
<v Speaker 2>and so it was nice. You know, I've been riding

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>that way for twenty years almost twenty years now, you know,

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>but the decade before that was not that not that easy.

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>So that's why I really really appreciated, appreciate everything.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Actually, Daniel, who you played in Crash, you described it

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 1>before as your as your first real part for you

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 1>as you're reading through the script, is it, are you like,

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 1>this is this is me?

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 2>This is no no, I'm you know what. You know.

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I was at Innovative Artists back then, and there's some

0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>of these agencies that have a lot of people that

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 2>are just like you, and so like when at the audition,

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>like you saw like me and then like twenty other

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 2>guys from my agency and stuff. But there was one

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 2>agent who was really good and she left. She's a

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.800
<v Speaker 2>big agency now. Her name is Louise Ward. And she's like, Michael,

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:15.919
<v Speaker 2>this is a special script. And I was like what

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And so I remember and she's like there might be

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.439
<v Speaker 2>a part in there for you. I think you can

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>change yourself into that. And then I read it and

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I you know, you're crying, you're thinking, you're you're so

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>affected emotionally, and you're like, this is exactly the kind

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 2>of stuff that I want to be in. And I

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>auditioned for it the first time and they're like, it

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 2>was good. It was good, but it's a little on

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the surface. And I was lucky enough that my brother

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>had just had his first kid. And my brother is

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a really good looking guy, charismatic dude, you know, always

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>like you know, one of those Latin dudes that was

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 2>like always to the nines is like if you saw him,

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you think automatically. He has an accent, you know what

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean. And you know, the guy with the shirt

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 2>open with the chains, he was that guy, right, and

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and he had swag, and I was like,

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 2>and then when I remember when I'm like, Okay, I'm

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 2>gonna do some research, you know, he opens the door,

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.799
<v Speaker 2>his hair's a mess, he's got his baby. He's looking

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>at it for thirty seconds, like just NonStop. It doesn't

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>seem like she's moving much. And he's like, Mike, do

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 2>you see that? That's amazing, bro? And I was like, Oh,

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the part that's it where you're you're you're paying

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 2>attention to the kid, where you don't even think about

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>yourself anymore. And then so I reread it and I

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, yes, yes, let's go. And you know,

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and that's I got a feeling. I got an in

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.280
<v Speaker 2>into the character and I was able to really connect

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.240
<v Speaker 2>with him in a way. And so like I shaved

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>my head, I got a mustache, gold tea, worked out

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and you know, they put tats on

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>me and stuff. And then for the audition, I was

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I was able to internalize it enough and and get

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the part. But this is I'm like, I just realized.

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is like some nerdy like actor. Shit. No,

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 2>people were great. Some people are going to be driving

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 2>you know forward thirty seconds thirty seconds.

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 3>No. I love that.

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 1>That makes so much sense too, that idea of a

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>personal connection, having your brother, seeing your brother transform in

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a way to a new character, and you using that

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>in this I find it fascinating.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Because it was parallel.

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for exactly.

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>It was totally parallel. Like my brother was this guy,

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, living a single life, and

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden he changed so much and I

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>was like Oh wow, this guy Daniel. I'm sure he

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.720
<v Speaker 2>was in jail and then he changed so much because

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.919
<v Speaker 2>of his kid. So he's working just for his kid.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 2>So it made a lot of sense and I was

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 2>able to run with it.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I gotta ask you about one of my favorite television shows.

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned getting the call from Oliver Stone, but I

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>got to ask you about The Shield. First off, were

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 1>you a fan of that show? Had you seen that show?

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, no, And it was it was weird because

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I think it was in two thousand and four and yeah,

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and I I was filming it and I only really

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 2>had two scenes. I had, you know, a line here

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 2>and a line there, and I don't know how you

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 2>deal with it, but I was like, for me, it

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>was nerve wrecking to be for everyone to have it

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 2>like their dialogue, you know, the you know, there's cues here,

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and if you're talking about the dog falling and it's

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 2>like then where's the blood? You know, everything makes sense,

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden you have to come

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>in and there's like I got the glasses going on

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 2>on the top shelf, that's going to be on the

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 2>bottom shelf, and it's gonna be like just some random

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>right shit, you know what I mean, And so like

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like I was. I would always be like I

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 2>got the dog from the They're like cut cut, you know,

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and I was always messing it up. There's so much

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 2>pressure with those one lines. And then Crab came out

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 2>right before I think that like the second the last episode,

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and it started it started changing everything, you know what

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like like I said, even like with the

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>writers and like, hey, good job on that. It's like

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 2>because that was like my only bone to chew on,

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:17.919
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And before that I didn't

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:21.400
<v Speaker 2>really have any anything to chew on, like everything. It

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.240
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a three dimensional character. You were there serving the story,

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 2>which is awesome, and I'm still serving the story. But

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's when the perspective started changing a little bit,

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 2>and even on set and there was and yeah that

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 2>was again was like a that's when I felt that,

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, the tie turn a bit.

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you ride a wave here for a while. You know,

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>we can't talk about every single project that you've ever done,

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>but Babbel an amazing project. You end up doing, uh

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 1>some television from one episodes to more east Bound and

0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Down and my name is Zerl and The Good Doctor.

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>And event eventually, in twenty thirteen another Oscar winning movie,

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>American Hustle, you get cast in. What was your experience,

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>What was your experience during not just American Hustle, but

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>during this time sort of riding that wave that you

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 1>talked about of of Daniel on Crash and these other

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:24.880
<v Speaker 1>projects that that gave you some some some notoriety and

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, hopefully some power.

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there was still a little bit of that,

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not we're not seeing any Latin people or

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:35.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, Latin Americans. Like It's it's funny because if

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you're a foreigner, you know, from from Spain or whatever,

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.439
<v Speaker 2>and then you're not not not the you know, bump

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.879
<v Speaker 2>people out, but like you know, or stand on any

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 2>political platform. But like if you're like a light skinned

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 2>person that's like from you know, another country, then it

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.399
<v Speaker 2>was just easier. And I think, you know, I'm still

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 2>having still struggling to get those big, you know, the

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 2>meaningful roles and stuff. And then so I was working

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 2>my way up, which I think I should, you know,

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know if I was ready for it,

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, And then so I kept plugging away

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 2>with these smaller parts because Crash was a small part, right,

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>but you know, a shooter and and and End of Watch.

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I kind of felt like more of

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 2>a co lead kind of thing. It was, you know,

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the silver lining is that you I still was able

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to keep working on my on my craft, and then

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>I auditioned for a thing called End of Watch, right,

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 2>so it kept on giving you, you know, confidence in

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>what you were doing, because you know there's in movies

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 2>you like, you do your work and blah blah blah.

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>You write down everything that you were thinking and then

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 2>you see it and you're like, I didn't pull it

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 2>quite off. So it's like you have to wait just

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 2>to see how you did. And so I was finally

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>ready to do something like End of Watch. And then

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I had a you know, audition with Jake Gillenhoe and

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 2>it was cool, and the movie came out, and that's

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>when I started getting more calls to and more offers

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to like either star or co star or you know,

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, have the It just changed my career, you know,

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:09.399
<v Speaker 2>because then Narcos Mexico came about, and you know, it's weird,

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 2>but you I just try to just keep on improving,

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's the name of the game as

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 2>opposed to I mean, I just want to improve and

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>just get you know, do great with whatever parts that

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I have, like my great I don't know about anybody else,

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 2>but I just try to do the best job that

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I possibly can. I still keep that going.

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you talk about Narcos Kiki. First off, congratulations and

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 1>amazing performance. I think a really really interesting show as well.

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 1>How was it I've talked to some people in the

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>past about this for you. Was there any difference for

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you stepping into a real life agent whose story has

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>already been told. Did that add any pressure for you?

0:49:55.920 --> 0:50:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you feel like you needed to become him in

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>some way or are you playing your own interpretation of

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>who he was?

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, like I you know, since I started, like

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to there's a freedom in imitating people,

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like there's like like you

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 2>can you can guess what your parents are going to

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.919
<v Speaker 2>say in a certain situation, and you're able to internalize

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>it from that. Right, So I'm like I'll basically catch

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 2>all like the major things that these people had because

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to interview the guy I interviewed his wife,

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 2>and I, you know, I saw some documentaries on him,

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.479
<v Speaker 2>and I had learned some of the pitfalls that could

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.320
<v Speaker 2>potentially you know, some of the traps that can happen

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.319
<v Speaker 2>when you're playing someone. You know, I was fortunate enough

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to do when in World Trade Center. It was a

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.400
<v Speaker 2>character of Wilhelmeno, and it's a guy that really you know,

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 2>that that exists, that's alive, and so you know, I

0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 2>stayed with him in his family for a while and

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Wow, this amazing optimism that this guy has.

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 2>He just has it in spades, you know. So so

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>like I definitely have to play that, you know, but

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 2>that aspect of me, like what, you know, how do

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I how do I tap into that? So basically instead

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 2>of me trying to change myself, it's just highlight those

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 2>things that are, you know, the same as him. And

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>this guy had a chip on his shoulder, you know

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. He just he just didn't like anyone

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>getting away with things that, you know, and taking advantage

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.239
<v Speaker 2>of people and having innocent people killed. He's like, I

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.799
<v Speaker 2>don't like that. I was like, I wish somebody would

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>do something about it. He's like even finally he's like,

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm going to do something about it.

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like if somebody, you know, like a little kid

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 2>was getting beat up. You're like no, no, no, no, no,

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>no no no. You know, like that feeling is. I

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:46.719
<v Speaker 2>think anybody can relate to it, you know, And so

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 2>I always like, if I'm able to relate to it,

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:51.839
<v Speaker 2>then other people are going to be able to relate

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:54.719
<v Speaker 2>to it, right, And I had kind of this sweeping

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 2>idea that maybe you're not going to like them in

0:51:56.800 --> 0:52:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, but you're going to respect them at the end, right,

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 2>And especially the way that the you know, the the

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 2>serials was drawn out, and so I don't necessarily know

0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 2>if if they were happy with my work or not,

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I was going on a on a

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I kind of had like a broader idea of the

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the finished product and what would it

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 2>should be. And even when we were doing press, you know,

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get a lot of attention. They're like, hey,

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 2>how you doing, and you know, they wanted to focus

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>on Diego, who was like the big star and stuff.

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>And then it was really cool, you know, like I

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 2>think it was really well received and you know, like

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:37.919
<v Speaker 2>the critics were really nice about my performance, and yeah,

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 2>uh and so that was that was kind of a

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 2>surprise and it was really cool, but you know, but

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 2>it was it was it was tough. I'm like, I,

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, whenever you're playing a real person like I,

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just what's what's their main thing and

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 2>what the gist? You know, and then hopefully like if

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>it serves the story and and and it's better than

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll try to try to like that.

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 1>The same year at least that it comes out. You

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>play another dea agent for Clint Eastwood in The Mule. Now,

0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>I got to ask you, it's fourteen years ish. I

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>understand you film things that comes out. It's hard for

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:38.280
<v Speaker 1>me to know exactly what the years, but fourteen fifteen

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 1>years apart, you get to work with Clint again. Talk

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to me a little bit about Well, first off, everybody,

0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:48.360
<v Speaker 1>does you love working with Clint?

0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, it's amazing because the first the first time

0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.359
<v Speaker 2>that I worked with them. You know, that also helped out,

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I was in you know, Millon Dollar

0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Baby went first, even though we shot Crash first. Yeah,

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:02.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, it won the Oscar Verson and then crash

0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>one the following year because we finish it like in

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>July or something, you know, put it out in December.

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.080
<v Speaker 2>There's no pressure. You don't feel pressure. That's why people

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:14.360
<v Speaker 2>are so good. And also when you have three takes,

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.800
<v Speaker 2>you better come prepared. You're not gonna find anything, you

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, So you come well prepared and

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>that's all you get. You know, Like, and I remember

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 2>screwing up some lines and he's like, did he say

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the main things? Okay? Good? And then he kept it

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 2>in there because that's what how people are when they're

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're nervous and they're gonna download some information.

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:40.359
<v Speaker 2>He's like, they really feel uncomfortable, and he rather have that.

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 2>He he knows movie making on a whole other level.

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's other actor the directors that want to

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 2>say everything perfectly and they'll keep going until they get

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 2>something good. And that's that's cool too, but it's like,

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't wait until something happens, which is like

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 2>could be exhausting, and it's like, you know, it's it's

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 2>another way of going. But as a performer, you're like,

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>this person definitely doesn't know what he wants and they're

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know what I want, but I know

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:10.799
<v Speaker 2>when I'll see it. You know, it's can you know,

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 2>but that's good too, you know. It's just another different

0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 2>way of working. But he's the opposite. He's more like

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>jazz where he likes improvisation and just like let's go,

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>let's go. And you know, I, you know, you doing

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:25.800
<v Speaker 2>comedy and I you know, I did a bit of

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.800
<v Speaker 2>comedy here and there. I would always write alts and

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 2>what I would want to say, and like, you know,

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 2>when I'm rehearsing, I was like, you know, when you're

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 2>listening and you're like I really want to say this,

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:38.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, maybe I'll just try that later. I would say,

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, do you mind if I try something different?

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:48.279
<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna try? Just a different line? Give

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.319
<v Speaker 2>it to me. I don't have to do it. I

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 2>don't have to do it, you know. I think it

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:58.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter, you know. Like like he's so quiet but

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>so intimidating. I'm like to try and he's like, well, no,

0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.280
<v Speaker 2>we've stopped. Give it to me. What are you gonna say?

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>And then I said it and he's like, right, the

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.879
<v Speaker 2>kid wants another turn, So he like gave me another turn.

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 2>And then and then after a couple of takes, he's

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.000
<v Speaker 2>like that's when he was like, he's like, you got

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 2>anything for this one? He's like, I do, I do.

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of things. And then he kept

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it, you know. And then and but

0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:26.319
<v Speaker 2>but I just wanted to work with Clint Eastwood again, man,

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>because he's like a living legend. And it was like,

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I have a list of directors that I want to

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 2>work with, man that I those are those are the artists,

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:36.959
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like, those are the real storytellers,

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and you're just trying to get in there and and help,

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, tell the story. Like I just saw West

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Amerson Asteroid City yesterday and I was like, man, Wow,

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:48.480
<v Speaker 2>this guy can go, this guy can go. Yeah.

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:52.320
<v Speaker 3>You are you proud of being a Marvel character?

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Of course, dude, Like why yeah, no, I mean that's

0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.640
<v Speaker 1>a big deal. This is a big deal. There's there's

0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a limit the number of you guys. I'm not one.

0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 2>No, But here's the thing. Here's here's the weird thing.

0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Like I did two movies and then they went off

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 2>to another galaxy, which I totally understand. Dude. Some of

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the guys that like, a aren't in it. They've done

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.720
<v Speaker 2>like fifteen you know what I mean, So like they

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 2>they might have been burned out or whatever. Like me,

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, this is great, you know what I mean?

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Two and then two and I'm like and I was like, dude,

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 2>this is awesome.

0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:32.800
<v Speaker 1>You and Paul Rudd work so well together. Was that natural?

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you Was that natural between the two of you

0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 1>or did this take a lot of work and cultivation?

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Do you hate him in real life?

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>No? No, he's the best, dude. It's you know what's crazy.

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I knew you were going to say that.

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:46.880
<v Speaker 3>That's why I teed it up.

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I know, by the way, I know, but well, who

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like Paul Rudd? Everybody likes Paul Rudd. But I'm

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>waiting for that one day to be like I hated

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:58.240
<v Speaker 2>that guy and they really mean it. Yeah, But by

0:57:58.240 --> 0:57:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the way, most of most of the time, they won't

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 2>say that to somebody who's who doesn't have a good reputation. Dude,

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.520
<v Speaker 2>working with him was almost working with like Jake Jillenhall.

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Like Jake Jillenhall. It was so weird, man, But he

0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:13.160
<v Speaker 2>was like I think the reason that like he makes

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 2>good movies and saw does. Paul Rudd is like he

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:20.280
<v Speaker 2>wants his surrounding cast to be awesome. They're they're secure.

0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 2>They're like, you know, I remember Jake telling me. He's like, dude,

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be good. I got my own stuff. It's like,

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember we did a take and of something and

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<v Speaker 2>then he's like, cut print and they're like wait, wait, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>wait wait, Mike. Remember that thing that we did when

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<v Speaker 2>we were all, you know, because we rehearsed black, when

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<v Speaker 2>you did that thing and blah blah blah this and that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh yeah, and he's like, do that

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<v Speaker 2>and then we did it and then it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was you know, it was something that was better

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<v Speaker 2>than what we did. And those guys want to see

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<v Speaker 2>you win. You know, they're not everybody's like that, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you, like, not everyone. Sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some people get insecure about, like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>doing something that's cool or whatever, and and but these

0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:05.080
<v Speaker 2>guys really, you know, they encourage you to to just

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<v Speaker 2>really you know, be the best that you can be.

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<v Speaker 3>Correl is the same way, is.

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<v Speaker 2>He really Yeah, that's why everybody shined.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a I think there's like, uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an unspoken competition in Hollywood, at least from comedy perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>like who is the nicer best person.

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<v Speaker 3>To work with Correll Will Ferrell or it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what they call all three should do a movie together,

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<v Speaker 2>All three should do better movie together? And they going

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadians, you know what I mean? Like who can

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<v Speaker 2>be the absolute nicest?

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<v Speaker 3>Who could be the nice You.

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<v Speaker 2>Could toss Seth Rogan in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, Okay, I don't know Seth so well.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, he's so nice, dude, he was such a nice guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's so funny, and he's like, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>when you're when you're nervous and you're doing something I

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<v Speaker 2>did observing report with him and and it's a little funny,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll give you a little laugh and it's really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he'll give you a bigger laugh, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he eggs you on like he's you know, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun working with him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, speaking of co workers, Yeah, John Krasinski my old

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<v Speaker 1>palell for a decade, and you the new show Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan just out, Uh it's not the Dea this time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the c I A x C, I A operative.

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<v Speaker 1>Domingo Chavez tell me an embarrassing story about John.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we all got sick in Croatia.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, uh you know what I'm saying, dude, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was clear.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing like seeing an action movie. Huh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know with a little bit of stomach issue. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what, you know what where he did it,

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<v Speaker 2>but like he had a bug and then I had

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<v Speaker 2>a bug, and they were like, oh Croatia did as

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<v Speaker 2>dirty man. Everybody got sick, buddy, everybody got sick and

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<v Speaker 2>it was But you know what, I get that way

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<v Speaker 2>every time I shoot a movie in Mexico too, where

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I got a break, I got a break,

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<v Speaker 2>keep a port a party really close, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then shooting takes a hit because you have to take

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<v Speaker 2>it rhymes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got it, Yeah, I got it. It's clever.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get sick.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that I shot a movie in Mexico. I Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I was told, which I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>thought of unless someone told me, is fruit and salads avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah see, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't eat you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't eat the fruit or the salads because it's been washed.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. I'm from Chicago, like, and I

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<v Speaker 2>lived in a Mexican neighborhood and we crushed cucumbers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road where they would cut

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<v Speaker 2>them and then then fin them up, and then lime

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<v Speaker 2>and salt with hot sauce like but it was the

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<v Speaker 2>powder hot sauce and you'd burn your mouth off and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the best. And then after that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>after you finish some tacosnitas like everything, like then you

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden you crush some mango with banana

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<v Speaker 2>and taquin and you know. And so I was just

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<v Speaker 2>doing that and then oh my gosh, dude, I was like, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember like the first week having to run like

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<v Speaker 2>in slow motion all the time, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>get away, like like I was throwing the damn grenade,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And then and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't judge me, Please, don't judge me. Got a machine

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<v Speaker 2>gun and just destroyed them, like you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was dude, And it was like two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, and I just done something. And

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<v Speaker 2>it happened when I was doing Narcos too, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was Oh my gosh, it was brutal. It was so

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<v Speaker 2>brutal and whatever. We're just not used to it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a certain bacteria and fruit because it comes from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's mainly water. It's Mexican water that comes to fruit

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<v Speaker 2>and vegetables. And I was crushing that and I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have been. And finally I had it for most of

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<v Speaker 2>the shoot that I just for a movie that I

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<v Speaker 2>just did, but I had you know, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>one week in Croatia, which wasn't too bad, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was during COVID, so I got COVID twice as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like joining uh, joining the Jack Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Empire there with John Do you guys have a good time?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude? I did. I mean, he's a riot, he's a riot,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you join it. This was crazy because when

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<v Speaker 2>I did Narcos, it was like an offshoot, right, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a spinoff sort of of you know, Narcos, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was me and Diego Luna and we were starting

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<v Speaker 2>off this new thing, right, which was it was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It was you know, it was something new, so you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we were we weren't taking it over per se. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just another story here. It was completely different. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been in that situation where these guys are on

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<v Speaker 2>their fourth season, all these guys that work together for

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<v Speaker 2>four years and you know, Mike him and Mike Kelly

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<v Speaker 2>are like best friends and you know, windows there and

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody has like a shorthand and you're just like

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<v Speaker 2>they have inside jokes and you're laughing from the outside

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<v Speaker 2>because it is kind of funny, but it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not as funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're they're going straight guttural and you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it feels like you're in high school, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, and you just you know, they invited

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<v Speaker 2>you over to the to the lunch table, but like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really know all their inside jokes. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>how it feels, right and uh. And then but by

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<v Speaker 2>the end, like that's when you know, we all became

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<v Speaker 2>really friendly and stuff and it was great and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but you like it started to get great right when

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<v Speaker 2>you knew that. It was like, oh, okay, cool, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the fourth season. It's going to end. There's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be no more glad I was here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uh, I feel like you told me am I

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<v Speaker 1>right about this, like two years ago you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this has been a long time coming, right, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least the discussions and the shooting of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude, I think I mean, I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To say it was like two to three years ago

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<v Speaker 1>that you were like, yeah, yeah, bro, I think John, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I may be working with your pal John.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been going a long time, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>But apparently, like the Clancy a state has like five

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<v Speaker 2>different parties with five different sets of lawyers. To do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>like you got to go through them, Like I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're waiting on the okay for my character

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the show or something like that. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's there's a lot, you know, there's there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of politics and stuff or or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, rights, or it's got to go through five

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<v Speaker 2>parties and everyone's got to be happy. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's what happened. Like I'm not sure, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>remember getting a strong phone call from Krazinski, who when

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<v Speaker 2>you get on the phone with him, you're like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's a door he's a go getter, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So I was really like, hey, buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>is this happening? You know what's going on? Ye who

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<v Speaker 2>knows it might or might not be speculating.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge mega hit Jack Ryan, check it out final season,

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<v Speaker 1>fourth season. Dude, You're awesome. Congratulations on all of your success.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to see you next week and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and I could watch you forever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for all those years, man like you made

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<v Speaker 2>us laugh so much. Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you, Mike, thank you for stopping by. Great

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<v Speaker 1>chatting with you, and I cannot wait to check out

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<v Speaker 1>this new season of Jack Ryan. Say hi to John

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<v Speaker 1>for me, to everyone out there listening, thank you as

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<v Speaker 1>always for stopping by. We're going to be back next

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<v Speaker 1>week to delight your eardrums with another fantastic guest. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>well and with me until then, have a wonderful week

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and we'll see you soon. Off the Beat

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<v Speaker 1>is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside

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<v Speaker 1>our executive producer Ling Lee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr.

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