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Speaker 1: On this program, you introduce yourself, so it's your version

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Speaker 1: of the following sentence. It could be literally anything. Hi,

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Speaker 1: my name is Michael Pena and I blank whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was good, Uh, just bad stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's bad stuff. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: No, but nobody's gonna say, like, hey, I'm Michael Panna. Fuck,

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Speaker 2: No, no one's gonna say that. Nobody should say that. No,

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Speaker 2: it's because I heard my kids say and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm like, hey, I'm like, that's kind of cool. Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Michael Penya and I'm an actor musician.

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Speaker 1: Hello, They're friends, and welcome to a brand spanking new

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Speaker 1: episode of Off the Beat. This is your host Brian Baumgartner. Today,

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Speaker 1: I am very very excited to bring on my good

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Speaker 1: friend and golfing campadre Michael Pania, a man who has

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Speaker 1: fought tirelessly for the NYPD, the LAPD, the DEA, the CIA,

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Speaker 1: and the MCU, at least on screen. You may know

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Speaker 1: him as Luis on ant Man Kiki Camarina in Narcos Mexico,

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Speaker 1: or from his classic role as Armando Renta on one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows the Shield. Mike has been in

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Speaker 1: a ton of incredible movies and TV shows, not the

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Speaker 1: least of which Crash, Million Dollar Baby, American Hustle, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And some of you parents listening

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Speaker 1: might be familiar with his roles on Tom and Jerry

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Speaker 1: or Dora and The Lost City of Gold. The man

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Speaker 1: let's just dive in, shall we. Here he is Michael Pina.

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Speaker 4: Bubble and Squeak. I love it Bubble and Squeak. I know,

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Speaker 4: Bubble and Squeak. I cook get every mon lift over

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Speaker 3: Hey, buddy, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey dude, good to see you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, yes, here's the thing. I know you just

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Speaker 1: had a rough, rough travel experience. I feel like a

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Speaker 2: It's it was weird. So we were just talking about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got stuck in Newark for about over

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Speaker 2: have a voucher. It was. It was basically at five

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Speaker 2: I saw other people are like, dude, are you new

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Speaker 2: but dude, I'm always gonna remember those gummy bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those gummy bears. Nothing tastes nothing tastes good as

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Speaker 1: Uh, well, I hope your travel experience to beautiful Lake

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Speaker 1: Tahoe is not the same.

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Speaker 1: My favorite week of the year. I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 2: Oh you didn't get What's what's weird is that we

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Speaker 3: They gave me a glove.

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Speaker 2: They gave me a glove, and then on top of it,

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Speaker 3: Know exactly just opened. Just there's like seven left.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but it's uh, it's it's my favorite week

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Speaker 3: This, yeah, shaking hand, just shaking of the hand.

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Speaker 2: And dude, what was interesting to me is I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 2: And so I lived in sixteenth in California, which is

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Speaker 2: But you know, to be honest with you, I was

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Speaker 2: I kept imitating these guys who were just slammed on coke,

431
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: trading and analyzing and doing you know, like they were

432
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: just they were amazing because like they were so slammed

433
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: on coke that they didn't know they thought they were

434
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: fooling everybody. They're like, you know what I'm saying, Pal,

435
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Pal, That's what I'm saying.

436
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: Pow Mike, Right, Mike, great, dude, you're doing a great job.

437
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: And I was like, dude, what is this guy chewing up?

438
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: Like what the hell was he doing? There's a you know,

439
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: and they were talking to you, and but anyway, so

440
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: I would imitate him, and I would do that and

441
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: then my best friend SOMs like, you should be an actor,

442
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like what, Oh my god, you should be

443
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: an I was like, what nobody in my neighborhood is

444
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: an actor, you know what I mean? And she I

445
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: missed the first one, which was zebra Head. They were

446
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: having an open call in Chicago. She forced me to

447
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: go to the second one. And in the second one, I.

448
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: Auditioned This is to Sir with Love Part two, Part two.

449
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, dude, I was angry, dude. I

450
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: was like. I was hanging out with my friend Vinnie,

451
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: and I was like, I gotta go to this thing, man.

452
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: And so we were partying the night before. We were

453
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: drinking and I was like eighteen or nineteen, I don't

454
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: know what that one was. We were drinking and then,

455
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: you know, I remember waking up in the morning. I

456
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I gotta go and there was like

457
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: three thousand kids, and I remember there was like four

458
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: paragraphs and I had read each one of them. I

459
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: really got into like hip hop, and you know, we

460
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: would sing all the songs, so that felt a little

461
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: bit like acting. So I was like, I'm just gonna

462
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: imitate this guy that I've seen on TV. You know, like,

463
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: I've seen this character before, and I've seen that character before.

464
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna seen that one. And then so I did it,

465
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: and after the second one, the guy's like, who's your agent?

466
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: Who's your agent? So like real estate agent? Like what

467
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: do you mean? I had no clue, dude. I thought

468
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: this guy, by the way, it's summer, it's Chicago, right,

469
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: and this guy's got an ascot on right, And I

470
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: was like, dude, this, who's this guy? Who? No, no, no,

471
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: it was his producer. And he's like, just tell me

472
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: who your agent is, you know, one of those Like

473
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: it's a different flow, you know what I mean. It's like,

474
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: just tell me who are your agent? This that's fine.

475
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: They set you up, this is fine. I was like, listen, man,

476
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: I don't have a real estate agent. And he's like, no,

477
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: you're acting agent. And I was like, okay, man, I

478
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: don't know. Dude. He's like, we want you to come back.

479
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm like for what I was combating him, mude. He's

480
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: like he's like, do you want I'm like, I have

481
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: to come back again, and I'm like, yeah, just go

482
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: to this person. I went to the casting director. Casting

483
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: director says puts me on tape and says, you could

484
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: really do this, And then I auditioned like five more

485
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: times and I don't end up getting the part, but instead,

486
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, screw it. I'm you know.

487
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: One of my friends Sam said you should try to

488
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: be an extra in it. I was like, all right, whatever,

489
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: and I had no idea about what any of this

490
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: stuff was. And I'm sitting down and then I could

491
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: see that the producer with the ascot said that's the

492
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: kid that auditioned that almost got the part. And so

493
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: they selected like ten kids, me being one of them

494
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: to be a featured extra. And so the crazy blessing

495
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: was that I got to see Sydney Poitier beginning to

496
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: end start rehearsals, learn, you know, put it on its feet,

497
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: fail miserably and like what is that line? Why should

498
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: I do this? Put a question mark? You know, he

499
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: was memorizing his lines and going through the and I

500
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: saw like a master at work. And immediately I was like,

501
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: all right, if I can, if I have any any

502
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: little bit of talent, I want to do what that

503
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: guy's doing, because it was amazing, dude, like he was

504
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: just talking to you. And then all of a sudden,

505
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: this guy got emotional and he was funny and he

506
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: was charismatic, and he saw it grow from rehearsals to

507
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: the final product. Like the guy was a magician, you

508
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And for some reason, to me,

509
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: it was almost like sports where you're like, Okay, maybe

510
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: you're not good in the beginning, but if you work

511
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: on it a little bit through repetition and just applying yourself,

512
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna get better. And that's exactly what he did.

513
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: But I had no idea when I got to Hollywood

514
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: that I was dealt with one of the legends in Hollywood, right,

515
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, dude, A crazy gift. A crazy gift, dude.

516
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: And I was as an extra.

517
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: Wow, but that you were given that opportunity to just

518
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: watch and learn and see somebody do it. Was he

519
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: generous to you.

520
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Kid. Gosh, dude, He's like he came up to me,

521
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, that's when I started acting, when

522
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: I was nineteen. I was like, that's really cool, and

523
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: he's like, could you do me a favor? It was

524
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: like whatever you want. He's like, just be in one spot.

525
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, no problem, no problem, because what happened is

526
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: that I was in this shot. I was in that shot.

527
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: I was in this shot. I was the worst extra

528
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: of all time, dude. They had to cut around me,

529
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: and they had to enlarge some of the things because

530
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: I thought, Daddy's going to go in front of the camera, dude,

531
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I thought I was going

532
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: to like my job was just to be in front

533
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: of the camera, so I always in front of the camera.

534
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: You eventually side to move to Los Angeles, and pretty

535
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: quickly it appears to me book your first feature film

536
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: my fellow Americans with I mean, you talk about Sidney

537
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: Poitier being a legend. Two more Jack Lemon and James Garner.

538
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: What was that experience getting that that well film?

539
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: Well, I got to tell you before before I did that,

540
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: Like the casting director after the movie said you should

541
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: get an agent. I was like, oh yeah, this agent

542
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: thing again, right. So they sent me to Stewart Agency

543
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: in Chicago, Okay, And and they sent me to a

544
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: to a coach to see what range I had by

545
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: And this guy's name is Glen Haynes, really cool guy.

546
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: And then we did a couple of scenes and after

547
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: those scenes he's like screw it, because because the casting

548
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: director and everybody else said you should do theater in

549
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: Chicago and really own your craft and then and then go.

550
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: So I met this coach and the coach is like, yeah,

551
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: but to be honest with you, you can be on NYPD

552
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Blue three times, you know, all these other shows and

553
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: learn how to act while you're doing that. Wait what

554
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: So he's like, you should be in LA right now,

555
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, cool. So I went to

556
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: LA and I kept going to more open calls. I

557
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: thought that the open call was the way to go.

558
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I kept I went to the open

559
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: call for Dangerous Minds, okay, and they're like, you know,

560
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: you could just get an agent and do that. He's like,

561
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: well no, but I was an extra. Yeah yeah. And

562
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: then I went to producers for Dangerous Minds and all

563
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: that stuff, and then and then I went to another one,

564
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: and then finally there was an agent. There's like, hey,

565
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: why don't I help you out? And I was like,

566
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: how much do you charge? Ten percent? Now? I think

567
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do the open call thing. Dude.

568
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: I did, And then I kept going open calls, but

569
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: for like small movies that weren't very good about right,

570
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't want somebody to take

571
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: ten percent. But anyway, Glenn Haynes introduced me to a cast,

572
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: a beautiful cast by the name of Karen Ray. And

573
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: Karen Ray says, you know, there's a part in here

574
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: for you, and I was like, okay, cool, and I

575
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: went and she coached me through it. She was such

576
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: a like uncool dude, you know what I mean. It

577
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: just it takes a lot of people just to even

578
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: get a little bit of a break, right. And so

579
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: I auditioned for it. I wasn't good in the first audition,

580
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: and then she pulled me aside. She was a little angry.

581
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: She's like, you got to give the energy. You got

582
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: to give the energy. This guy's like, you know, he's

583
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: desperate to get back home, blah blah blah, this and that.

584
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: Do that. She's like, Okay, that's it, and then she

585
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: brought me back. Peter Siegel is the guy that gave

586
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: me my first real job. He Saturday and he's like,

587
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: I love it. Can you do it again? Try this?

588
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: Try that perfect? And then like I was naive enough

589
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: to do this movie with Jack Lemon and James Garner,

590
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: who I only knew Jack Lemon from Grumpy Old Men.

591
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: That's how I wrote it down in my in my thing,

592
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: and so I, you know, then I started watching all

593
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: this stuff like, oh my gosh, this guy won, you know,

594
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: he won an oscar, and so I was blessed enough

595
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: to like go and they were playing paying me a

596
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: weekly rate and per diem super great, and I was

597
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: the rain cover. I was for cover, right, So basically

598
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: that means that like they get you on set in Greenville,

599
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: North Carolina, just just in case it rains, they hit

600
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: your scene, right. I was there for eight weeks getting paid. Wow.

601
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: It was insane, dude. I was like, whatever the minimum was,

602
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: that's what I was getting paid. But I was getting

603
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: paid that every week. I was like, this is great.

604
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: And then finally when they're like, oh, we're gonna do

605
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: your scene now, I'm like, are you sure? Are you sure?

606
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to rain. They're like, we're

607
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: close to the end. So we did my scene, but

608
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: then they put me in another sea. So I was like,

609
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: I got more money, and I was like I was

610
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: able to save that money, you know, so, because after

611
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: that it wasn't I was like trying to get you know,

612
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: then you get tossed into the almost the real world, right,

613
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: find out that there's like a thousand people that look

614
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: just like you.

615
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: Right.

616
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: What was your family's response to seeing you on screen

617
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: for the first time.

618
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: My mom was sick at the time, so she wasn't

619
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: doing well, and my dad was.

620
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: Like, it's good, it's good, okay.

621
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: You know, but you know, I came home skinny, and

622
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: they didn't know what the hell was going on because,

623
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't have enough money for food, and

624
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: so they just wanted me to come home like, yeah,

625
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: there's this little part, but he's not starring in it.

626
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: They had no idea that that was a pretty big breaker. Thy.

627
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: You know, my parents were farmers for Mexico, and so

628
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: this whole thing was brand new, you know.

629
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: Right.

630
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about this because of our

631
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: earlier conversation and our mutual love. Is it true that

632
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: you picked up golfing while filming my fellow Americans?

633
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: Well that's when I first heard of it, right, Okay,

634
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: because Jack Lemon, you know, kept talking about it, and

635
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, at this time, I'm like twenty years old,

636
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's going on here, dude, is

637
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: what is this crap? Right? And then after that that's

638
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: when I'm like, years later, I went to like a

639
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: driving range and then you know, I don't know where

640
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: I was, but like there was a there was a

641
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: VW bug about eighty yards away, and then the you

642
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: know whoever was at the you know, the guy driving

643
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: the tractor. He's like, yeah, I get a bucket of

644
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: balls to try to hit it on the fly. And

645
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: I was like, no problem. It took me like seven

646
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: buckets blisters like, and I couldn't do it. And that's

647
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: when I was hooked, because I was but thank god,

648
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 2: I was like I was, you know, I immediately was like,

649
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to hit this VW bug. So

650
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: it gave me a target. Blah blah blah, didn't care

651
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: how fat, you know whatever. And then you know how

652
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: it is, dude, once you do it, it's like who's

653
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: the one, who's the rocker? That's uh, he's a scratch golfer,

654
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: not Alice Cooper, he says. He says golf is the

655
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: crack crack of sports. And I was like, dude, what

656
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: is this? And it's true, It's so addictive regardless of

657
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: how good you are. You just want to be better,

658
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And and it's one of

659
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: those things that's pretty healthy, especially for an actor that

660
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: has a little bit of downtime. You can just take

661
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: five bucks or not even you can just take you know,

662
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: old balls and practice a little bit on your own.

663
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: You know, I loved it from the get go, but

664
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 2: I love everything about it. You know, it's such a challenge.

665
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's almost like watching your your your

666
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: like I'm a Bears fan, so like watching them win,

667
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: or like you know, being mad, being being upset to

668
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: being like happy and exhilarated. You know, I love it all.

669
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: I love the whole time.

670
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: You talked about after my fellow Americans realizing what we

671
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: were talking about before, right suddenly becoming educated enough to

672
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: know that this is going to be harder than you first.

673
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: Think it's going to be.

674
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 1: I saw recently and you did do some things touched

675
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: by an Angel Seventh Heaven Moesha. But I saw on

676
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: your Instagram as I was stalking you, even though we

677
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: know each other, I wanted to kind of go on there.

678
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: And recently you posted a photo of you from crash

679
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, and you wrote what started

680
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: it All? Crash two thousand and four. In two thousand

681
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: and four you get cast in not one but two

682
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: Oscar winning movies, Million Dollar Baby and Crash. Why did

683
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: you write that? Why did how for you did Crash

684
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: start it all?

685
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: Well? It was different, you know, the business was different

686
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: back then that it is now. You know, like now

687
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: you can jump from like you know, I just did

688
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: something with John Krasinski, your fellow office member, and you

689
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: know with Jack Ryan. Now you can do ten episodes

690
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: of something that are like ten movies basically, and then

691
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: jump into movies and it's not a problem. Back then,

692
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: you could only do TV or movies because TV was

693
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: twenty two episodes, mainly procedurals or sitcoms. Right, it was

694
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: a majority of the year, and maybe you can do

695
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: one movie, but you would you couldn't even really be

696
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: a movie guy because you need you didn't have two

697
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: or three movies a year, and then sometimes they can

698
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: backlog and you have four movies in a year. You know,

699
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: So it was either or right, And I was gambling

700
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: on a movie career just because of what I saw

701
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: and what I what I fell in love with, you know,

702
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: I when I once I started acting, I did the

703
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: same thing that I did in wrestling. Was I like,

704
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: when I first started wrestling, I sucked. And then I

705
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: started watching college and the Olympics, and I was like, whoa, dude,

706
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: this is okay, this is the best. How do you

707
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: How do I do that? I can do one of

708
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: those moves right. And then, of course, just like any

709
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: other actor, I started watching you know a lot of

710
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: the guys from the Actors Studio and Robert de Niro,

711
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: Dustin Hoffman, al Pacino. Then I went back to Marlon Brando,

712
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: James Dean and all those guys like in the sixties

713
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: as well, and you know, I remember, but I remember

714
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: specifically watching A street Car Name Desire And what's the

715
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: other movie that's amazing that I've watched like a hundred

716
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: million times on the waterfront on the waterfront, Yeah, and.

717
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: Well what movie have your million times? I don't know,

718
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, I'm with you. Go ahead.

719
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: So anyway, so I'm like, I watched that movie, but

720
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: it was it was A street Car Name Desire where

721
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, he's really doing something interesting, like and

722
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: even if you can't be as good, you want to be.

723
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: I wanted to get there, you know, so I I

724
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: gambled on a movie career even though everything was stacked

725
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: up against me. And I don't know if you remember,

726
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: but like back in the day, there was you know,

727
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: breakdowns for movies and there was like you know, the

728
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: star of the show blah blah blah, and it was

729
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: Caucasian only the first like ten lines, and then you know,

730
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: open to African Americans after that. So we were like

731
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: maybe on the fifteenth is like open to other ethnicities

732
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: and then so I would only audition for that. I

733
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: was only allowed to. So I was like, I don't

734
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: know if it's ever going to work out. And I was,

735
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, I was in a band, so I was like,

736
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'm just gonna do bit parts moving forward.

737
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: You know, there are some Latin American people that did it,

738
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: but they were mainly like the model looking people that

739
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, like they get to pass anyone who's a

740
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: model or like ridiculously good looking person, they get a pass.

741
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what island they get them from,

742
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: but they're like, you're good, we don't see any kind

743
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: of color, right and so, but.

744
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: True Benjamin Bratt it doesn't matter.

745
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like he's fine. Yeah, Yeah, Benjamin Bratt, You're like,

746
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: he clearly looks like a Latin guy, but he gets back.

747
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith. Yeah, you're like, you're fine. Michael Penyin, You're like, yeah,

748
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 2: put your shirt back on, you know. Right. So anyway,

749
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: so I'm like, so then I'm like I get you know,

750
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: it started like in two thousand where I'm like, I

751
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: got a little part for you know, Steven Spielberg had

752
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: this thing called a semperfi, which I got a little

753
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: pardon and I didn't do all that great. But then

754
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: you know, I did Felicity, and I was so nervous

755
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: because I never had a really good part. I was like,

756
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't even look at anybody in the e. I

757
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: was just so nervous. Right, I didn't do that good

758
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: of a job either. And then I auditioned for this

759
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: like a year later, because we did it early. And

760
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: then I think it took maybe two years for it

761
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: to come out, and and and I knew that I

762
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: was just going to get more. I didn't know that

763
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: it was gonna win the Oscar and all that stuff,

764
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: but I was living in a shoe box I had

765
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: no money, and you know what comes out. It comes

766
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: out to really good reviews. And I was like, dude,

767
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: this is so awesome. I'm like, you know, I called

768
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: my manager and I was like, you know, is there

769
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: any is there any shows that are interested now for

770
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: me to get star in, you know, because you know,

771
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: I just liked acting and you know, to get a

772
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: little change as well. Maybe we can get better TV shows.

773
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: You know who knows. And that's when she's like, you

774
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: know what, Oliver Stone wants to meet you. And I

775
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: was like silent for thirty seconds, Michael, what does he want?

776
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: Does he have a TV show? And he's like, no,

777
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: he's got a movie. And it was World Trade Center

778
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: with Nicholas Cage and I met him and I was

779
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: just amazed. I was like, whoa dude, this is headspin.

780
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: So I was literally like on like just a natural

781
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: high for a year, thinking like number one, I can't

782
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: believe that it happened to me, Like I'm just I'm

783
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: just I'm just me, and so like, you know, I

784
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: got thrown in and there's maybe it's just the way

785
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: the perspective of you know, me being in two Oscar

786
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: winning movies. Back to back. I had a small part

787
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: in one, I had a good part in the other

788
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: People just look at you differently regardless of what you do,

789
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 2: and so it was nice. You know, I've been riding

790
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: that way for twenty years almost twenty years now, you know,

791
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: but the decade before that was not that not that easy.

792
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: So that's why I really really appreciated, appreciate everything.

793
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Actually, Daniel, who you played in Crash, you described it

794
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: before as your as your first real part for you

795
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: as you're reading through the script, is it, are you like,

796
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: this is this is me?

797
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: This is no no, I'm you know what. You know.

798
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: I was at Innovative Artists back then, and there's some

799
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: of these agencies that have a lot of people that

800
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: are just like you, and so like when at the audition,

801
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: like you saw like me and then like twenty other

802
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: guys from my agency and stuff. But there was one

803
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: agent who was really good and she left. She's a

804
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: big agency now. Her name is Louise Ward. And she's like, Michael,

805
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 2: this is a special script. And I was like what

806
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: And so I remember and she's like there might be

807
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 2: a part in there for you. I think you can

808
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: change yourself into that. And then I read it and

809
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: I you know, you're crying, you're thinking, you're you're so

810
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: affected emotionally, and you're like, this is exactly the kind

811
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: of stuff that I want to be in. And I

812
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: auditioned for it the first time and they're like, it

813
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: was good. It was good, but it's a little on

814
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: the surface. And I was lucky enough that my brother

815
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: had just had his first kid. And my brother is

816
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: a really good looking guy, charismatic dude, you know, always

817
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: like you know, one of those Latin dudes that was

818
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: like always to the nines is like if you saw him,

819
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: you think automatically. He has an accent, you know what

820
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: I mean. And you know, the guy with the shirt

821
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: open with the chains, he was that guy, right, and

822
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: you know, and and he had swag, and I was like,

823
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: and then when I remember when I'm like, Okay, I'm

824
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: gonna do some research, you know, he opens the door,

825
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: his hair's a mess, he's got his baby. He's looking

826
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: at it for thirty seconds, like just NonStop. It doesn't

827
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: seem like she's moving much. And he's like, Mike, do

828
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: you see that? That's amazing, bro? And I was like, Oh,

829
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: that's the part that's it where you're you're you're paying

830
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: attention to the kid, where you don't even think about

831
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: yourself anymore. And then so I reread it and I

832
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yes, yes, let's go. And you know,

833
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: and that's I got a feeling. I got an in

834
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: into the character and I was able to really connect

835
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: with him in a way. And so like I shaved

836
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: my head, I got a mustache, gold tea, worked out

837
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: a little bit, and you know, they put tats on

838
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: me and stuff. And then for the audition, I was

839
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: I was able to internalize it enough and and get

840
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: the part. But this is I'm like, I just realized.

841
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is like some nerdy like actor. Shit. No,

842
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: people were great. Some people are going to be driving

843
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: you know forward thirty seconds thirty seconds.

844
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 3: No. I love that.

845
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense too, that idea of a

846
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: personal connection, having your brother, seeing your brother transform in

847
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: a way to a new character, and you using that

848
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: in this I find it fascinating.

849
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: Because it was parallel.

850
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: Thank you for exactly.

851
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: It was totally parallel. Like my brother was this guy,

852
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, living a single life, and

853
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he changed so much and I

854
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: was like Oh wow, this guy Daniel. I'm sure he

855
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: was in jail and then he changed so much because

856
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 2: of his kid. So he's working just for his kid.

857
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: So it made a lot of sense and I was

858
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: able to run with it.

859
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you about one of my favorite television shows.

860
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: You mentioned getting the call from Oliver Stone, but I

861
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: got to ask you about The Shield. First off, were

862
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: you a fan of that show? Had you seen that show?

863
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, And it was it was weird because

864
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: I think it was in two thousand and four and yeah,

865
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: and I I was filming it and I only really

866
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: had two scenes. I had, you know, a line here

867
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: and a line there, and I don't know how you

868
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: deal with it, but I was like, for me, it

869
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: was nerve wrecking to be for everyone to have it

870
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: like their dialogue, you know, the you know, there's cues here,

871
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: and if you're talking about the dog falling and it's

872
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: like then where's the blood? You know, everything makes sense,

873
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you have to come

874
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: in and there's like I got the glasses going on

875
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: on the top shelf, that's going to be on the

876
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: bottom shelf, and it's gonna be like just some random

877
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: right shit, you know what I mean, And so like

878
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm like I was. I would always be like I

879
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: got the dog from the They're like cut cut, you know,

880
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: and I was always messing it up. There's so much

881
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: pressure with those one lines. And then Crab came out

882
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: right before I think that like the second the last episode,

883
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: and it started it started changing everything, you know what

884
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Like like I said, even like with the

885
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: writers and like, hey, good job on that. It's like

886
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: because that was like my only bone to chew on,

887
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And before that I didn't

888
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: really have any anything to chew on, like everything. It

889
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: wasn't a three dimensional character. You were there serving the story,

890
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: which is awesome, and I'm still serving the story. But

891
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: you know, that's when the perspective started changing a little bit,

892
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: and even on set and there was and yeah that

893
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: was again was like a that's when I felt that,

894
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, the tie turn a bit.

895
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you ride a wave here for a while. You know,

896
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: we can't talk about every single project that you've ever done,

897
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: but Babbel an amazing project. You end up doing, uh

898
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: some television from one episodes to more east Bound and

899
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Down and my name is Zerl and The Good Doctor.

900
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: And event eventually, in twenty thirteen another Oscar winning movie,

901
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: American Hustle, you get cast in. What was your experience,

902
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: What was your experience during not just American Hustle, but

903
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: during this time sort of riding that wave that you

904
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: talked about of of Daniel on Crash and these other

905
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: projects that that gave you some some some notoriety and

906
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: and and you know, hopefully some power.

907
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was still a little bit of that,

908
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: like I'm not we're not seeing any Latin people or

909
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: you know, Latin Americans. Like It's it's funny because if

910
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: you're a foreigner, you know, from from Spain or whatever,

911
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: and then you're not not not the you know, bump

912
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 2: people out, but like you know, or stand on any

913
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: political platform. But like if you're like a light skinned

914
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: person that's like from you know, another country, then it

915
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: was just easier. And I think, you know, I'm still

916
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: having still struggling to get those big, you know, the

917
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: meaningful roles and stuff. And then so I was working

918
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: my way up, which I think I should, you know,

919
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: because I don't know if I was ready for it,

920
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: to be honest, And then so I kept plugging away

921
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: with these smaller parts because Crash was a small part, right,

922
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: but you know, a shooter and and and End of Watch.

923
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I kind of felt like more of

924
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: a co lead kind of thing. It was, you know,

925
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: the silver lining is that you I still was able

926
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: to keep working on my on my craft, and then

927
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: I auditioned for a thing called End of Watch, right,

928
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: so it kept on giving you, you know, confidence in

929
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: what you were doing, because you know there's in movies

930
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: you like, you do your work and blah blah blah.

931
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: You write down everything that you were thinking and then

932
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: you see it and you're like, I didn't pull it

933
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: quite off. So it's like you have to wait just

934
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: to see how you did. And so I was finally

935
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: ready to do something like End of Watch. And then

936
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: I had a you know, audition with Jake Gillenhoe and

937
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: it was cool, and the movie came out, and that's

938
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: when I started getting more calls to and more offers

939
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: to like either star or co star or you know,

940
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, have the It just changed my career, you know,

941
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 2: because then Narcos Mexico came about, and you know, it's weird,

942
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: but you I just try to just keep on improving,

943
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, and that's the name of the game as

944
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: opposed to I mean, I just want to improve and

945
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: just get you know, do great with whatever parts that

946
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: I have, like my great I don't know about anybody else,

947
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: but I just try to do the best job that

948
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: I possibly can. I still keep that going.

949
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about Narcos Kiki. First off, congratulations and

950
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: amazing performance. I think a really really interesting show as well.

951
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: How was it I've talked to some people in the

952
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: past about this for you. Was there any difference for

953
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: you stepping into a real life agent whose story has

954
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: already been told. Did that add any pressure for you?

955
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you needed to become him in

956
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: some way or are you playing your own interpretation of

957
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: who he was?

958
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, like I you know, since I started, like

959
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: I always wanted to there's a freedom in imitating people,

960
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like there's like like you

961
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: can you can guess what your parents are going to

962
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 2: say in a certain situation, and you're able to internalize

963
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: it from that. Right, So I'm like I'll basically catch

964
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: all like the major things that these people had because

965
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to interview the guy I interviewed his wife,

966
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: and I, you know, I saw some documentaries on him,

967
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 2: and I had learned some of the pitfalls that could

968
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: potentially you know, some of the traps that can happen

969
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: when you're playing someone. You know, I was fortunate enough

970
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: to do when in World Trade Center. It was a

971
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: character of Wilhelmeno, and it's a guy that really you know,

972
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: that that exists, that's alive, and so you know, I

973
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: stayed with him in his family for a while and

974
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this amazing optimism that this guy has.

975
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: He just has it in spades, you know. So so

976
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: like I definitely have to play that, you know, but

977
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: that aspect of me, like what, you know, how do

978
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: I how do I tap into that? So basically instead

979
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: of me trying to change myself, it's just highlight those

980
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: things that are, you know, the same as him. And

981
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: this guy had a chip on his shoulder, you know

982
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: what I mean. He just he just didn't like anyone

983
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: getting away with things that, you know, and taking advantage

984
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: of people and having innocent people killed. He's like, I

985
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: don't like that. I was like, I wish somebody would

986
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: do something about it. He's like even finally he's like,

987
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to do something about it.

988
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: It's like if somebody, you know, like a little kid

989
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: was getting beat up. You're like no, no, no, no, no,

990
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: no no no. You know, like that feeling is. I

991
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: think anybody can relate to it, you know, And so

992
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: I always like, if I'm able to relate to it,

993
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: then other people are going to be able to relate

994
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: to it, right, And I had kind of this sweeping

995
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: idea that maybe you're not going to like them in

996
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: the beginning, but you're going to respect them at the end, right,

997
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: And especially the way that the you know, the the

998
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: serials was drawn out, and so I don't necessarily know

999
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: if if they were happy with my work or not,

1000
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, because I was going on a on a

1001
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: I kind of had like a broader idea of the

1002
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, the the finished product and what would it

1003
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: should be. And even when we were doing press, you know,

1004
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: I didn't get a lot of attention. They're like, hey,

1005
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: how you doing, and you know, they wanted to focus

1006
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: on Diego, who was like the big star and stuff.

1007
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: And then it was really cool, you know, like I

1008
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: think it was really well received and you know, like

1009
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 2: the critics were really nice about my performance, and yeah,

1010
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: uh and so that was that was kind of a

1011
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: surprise and it was really cool, but you know, but

1012
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: it was it was it was tough. I'm like, I,

1013
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: you know, whenever you're playing a real person like I,

1014
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: you know, it's just what's what's their main thing and

1015
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: what the gist? You know, and then hopefully like if

1016
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: it serves the story and and and it's better than

1017
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'll try to try to like that.

1018
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: The same year at least that it comes out. You

1019
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: play another dea agent for Clint Eastwood in The Mule. Now,

1020
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: I got to ask you, it's fourteen years ish. I

1021
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: understand you film things that comes out. It's hard for

1022
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: me to know exactly what the years, but fourteen fifteen

1023
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: years apart, you get to work with Clint again. Talk

1024
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: to me a little bit about Well, first off, everybody,

1025
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: does you love working with Clint?

1026
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's amazing because the first the first time

1027
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: that I worked with them. You know, that also helped out,

1028
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, because I was in you know, Millon Dollar

1029
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: Baby went first, even though we shot Crash first. Yeah,

1030
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: you know, it won the Oscar Verson and then crash

1031
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: one the following year because we finish it like in

1032
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: July or something, you know, put it out in December.

1033
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: There's no pressure. You don't feel pressure. That's why people

1034
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: are so good. And also when you have three takes,

1035
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: you better come prepared. You're not gonna find anything, you

1036
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So you come well prepared and

1037
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: that's all you get. You know, Like, and I remember

1038
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: screwing up some lines and he's like, did he say

1039
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: the main things? Okay? Good? And then he kept it

1040
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: in there because that's what how people are when they're

1041
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, they're nervous and they're gonna download some information.

1042
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: He's like, they really feel uncomfortable, and he rather have that.

1043
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: He he knows movie making on a whole other level.

1044
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, there's other actor the directors that want to

1045
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: say everything perfectly and they'll keep going until they get

1046
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: something good. And that's that's cool too, but it's like,

1047
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, don't wait until something happens, which is like

1048
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: could be exhausting, and it's like, you know, it's it's

1049
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: another way of going. But as a performer, you're like,

1050
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: this person definitely doesn't know what he wants and they're

1051
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: like I don't know what I want, but I know

1052
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: when I'll see it. You know, it's can you know,

1053
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: but that's good too, you know. It's just another different

1054
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: way of working. But he's the opposite. He's more like

1055
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: jazz where he likes improvisation and just like let's go,

1056
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: let's go. And you know, I, you know, you doing

1057
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: comedy and I you know, I did a bit of

1058
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: comedy here and there. I would always write alts and

1059
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: what I would want to say, and like, you know,

1060
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: when I'm rehearsing, I was like, you know, when you're

1061
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: listening and you're like I really want to say this,

1062
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe I'll just try that later. I would say,

1063
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, do you mind if I try something different?

1064
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: What are you gonna try? Just a different line? Give

1065
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 2: it to me. I don't have to do it. I

1066
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: don't have to do it, you know. I think it

1067
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, you know. Like like he's so quiet but

1068
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: so intimidating. I'm like to try and he's like, well, no,

1069
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: we've stopped. Give it to me. What are you gonna say?

1070
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: And then I said it and he's like, right, the

1071
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: kid wants another turn, So he like gave me another turn.

1072
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: And then and then after a couple of takes, he's

1073
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: like that's when he was like, he's like, you got

1074
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: anything for this one? He's like, I do, I do.

1075
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: I got a couple of things. And then he kept

1076
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: a lot of it, you know. And then and but

1077
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to work with Clint Eastwood again, man,

1078
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: because he's like a living legend. And it was like,

1079
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: I have a list of directors that I want to

1080
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 2: work with, man that I those are those are the artists,

1081
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, those are the real storytellers,

1082
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: and you're just trying to get in there and and help,

1083
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, tell the story. Like I just saw West

1084
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: Amerson Asteroid City yesterday and I was like, man, Wow,

1085
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: this guy can go, this guy can go. Yeah.

1086
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 3: You are you proud of being a Marvel character?

1087
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: Of course, dude, Like why yeah, no, I mean that's

1088
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: a big deal. This is a big deal. There's there's

1089
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: a limit the number of you guys. I'm not one.

1090
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: No, But here's the thing. Here's here's the weird thing.

1091
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 2: Like I did two movies and then they went off

1092
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: to another galaxy, which I totally understand. Dude. Some of

1093
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: the guys that like, a aren't in it. They've done

1094
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: like fifteen you know what I mean, So like they

1095
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: they might have been burned out or whatever. Like me,

1096
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, this is great, you know what I mean?

1097
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: Two and then two and I'm like and I was like, dude,

1098
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: this is awesome.

1099
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: You and Paul Rudd work so well together. Was that natural?

1100
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: Do you Was that natural between the two of you

1101
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: or did this take a lot of work and cultivation?

1102
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: Do you hate him in real life?

1103
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: No? No, he's the best, dude. It's you know what's crazy.

1104
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: By the way, I knew you were going to say that.

1105
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: That's why I teed it up.

1106
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: I know, by the way, I know, but well, who

1107
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: doesn't like Paul Rudd? Everybody likes Paul Rudd. But I'm

1108
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: waiting for that one day to be like I hated

1109
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: that guy and they really mean it. Yeah, But by

1110
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: the way, most of most of the time, they won't

1111
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: say that to somebody who's who doesn't have a good reputation. Dude,

1112
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: working with him was almost working with like Jake Jillenhall.

1113
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: Like Jake Jillenhall. It was so weird, man, But he

1114
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: was like I think the reason that like he makes

1115
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: good movies and saw does. Paul Rudd is like he

1116
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: wants his surrounding cast to be awesome. They're they're secure.

1117
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, I remember Jake telling me. He's like, dude,

1118
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be good. I got my own stuff. It's like,

1119
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: I remember we did a take and of something and

1120
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: then he's like, cut print and they're like wait, wait, wait, wait,

1121
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: wait wait, Mike. Remember that thing that we did when

1122
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: we were all, you know, because we rehearsed black, when

1123
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: you did that thing and blah blah blah this and that.

1124
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, and he's like, do that

1125
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: and then we did it and then it was you know,

1126
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: it was you know, it was something that was better

1127
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: than what we did. And those guys want to see

1128
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: you win. You know, they're not everybody's like that, to

1129
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: be honest with you, like, not everyone. Sure, you know,

1130
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: there's some people get insecure about, like, you know, you

1131
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: doing something that's cool or whatever, and and but these

1132
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: guys really, you know, they encourage you to to just

1133
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: really you know, be the best that you can be.

1134
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: Correl is the same way, is.

1135
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: He really Yeah, that's why everybody shined.

1136
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a I think there's like, uh, there's

1137
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: an unspoken competition in Hollywood, at least from comedy perspective,

1138
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: like who is the nicer best person.

1139
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: To work with Correll Will Ferrell or it's you.

1140
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: Know what they call all three should do a movie together,

1141
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: All three should do better movie together? And they going

1142
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: the Canadians, you know what I mean? Like who can

1143
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: be the absolute nicest?

1144
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: Who could be the nice You.

1145
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: Could toss Seth Rogan in there.

1146
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: Too, Okay, I don't know Seth so well.

1147
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: Dude, he's so nice, dude, he was such a nice guy,

1148
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: and he's so funny, and he's like, you know, because

1149
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: when you're when you're nervous and you're doing something I

1150
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: did observing report with him and and it's a little funny,

1151
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: he'll give you a little laugh and it's really funny.

1152
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: Then he'll give you a bigger laugh, you know, and

1153
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: he eggs you on like he's you know, it was.

1154
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: It was fun working with him as well.

1155
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: Uh, speaking of co workers, Yeah, John Krasinski my old

1156
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: palell for a decade, and you the new show Jack

1157
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: Ryan just out, Uh it's not the Dea this time,

1158
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: it's the c I A x C, I A operative.

1159
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: Domingo Chavez tell me an embarrassing story about John.

1160
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: So you know, we all got sick in Croatia.

1161
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 3: Okay, uh you know what I'm saying, dude, Yeah, yeah,

1162
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: it was clear.

1163
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: There is nothing like seeing an action movie. Huh uh,

1164
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: you know with a little bit of stomach issue. I

1165
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: don't know what, you know what where he did it,

1166
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: but like he had a bug and then I had

1167
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: a bug, and they were like, oh Croatia did as

1168
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: dirty man. Everybody got sick, buddy, everybody got sick and

1169
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: it was But you know what, I get that way

1170
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: every time I shoot a movie in Mexico too, where

1171
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: you're like, I got a break, I got a break,

1172
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: keep a port a party really close, you know, and

1173
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: then shooting takes a hit because you have to take

1174
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: it rhymes.

1175
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it, Yeah, I got it. It's clever.

1176
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 3: I didn't get sick.

1177
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: You know that I shot a movie in Mexico. I Uh.

1178
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: You know what I was told, which I wouldn't have

1179
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: thought of unless someone told me, is fruit and salads avoid.

1180
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah see, I didn't know.

1181
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: You don't eat you.

1182
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: Don't eat the fruit or the salads because it's been washed.

1183
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I'm from Chicago, like, and I

1184
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: lived in a Mexican neighborhood and we crushed cucumbers, you know,

1185
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: on the side of the road where they would cut

1186
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: them and then then fin them up, and then lime

1187
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: and salt with hot sauce like but it was the

1188
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: powder hot sauce and you'd burn your mouth off and

1189
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: it was the best. And then after that, like you know,

1190
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 2: after you finish some tacosnitas like everything, like then you

1191
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you crush some mango with banana

1192
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: and taquin and you know. And so I was just

1193
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 2: doing that and then oh my gosh, dude, I was like, dude.

1194
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: I remember like the first week having to run like

1195
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: in slow motion all the time, and I was like,

1196
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: get away, like like I was throwing the damn grenade,

1197
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then and I was like,

1198
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: don't judge me, Please, don't judge me. Got a machine

1199
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: gun and just destroyed them, like you know what I mean.

1200
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 2: And it was dude, And it was like two weeks

1201
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, and I just done something. And

1202
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: it happened when I was doing Narcos too, and it

1203
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: was Oh my gosh, it was brutal. It was so

1204
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: brutal and whatever. We're just not used to it. There's

1205
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: a certain bacteria and fruit because it comes from you know,

1206
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: it's mainly water. It's Mexican water that comes to fruit

1207
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: and vegetables. And I was crushing that and I shouldn't

1208
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: have been. And finally I had it for most of

1209
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: the shoot that I just for a movie that I

1210
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: just did, but I had you know, it was like

1211
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: one week in Croatia, which wasn't too bad, but it

1212
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: was during COVID, so I got COVID twice as well.

1213
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: Oh that's fantastic.

1214
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: What was it like joining uh, joining the Jack Ryan

1215
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: Empire there with John Do you guys have a good time?

1216
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: Dude? I did. I mean, he's a riot, he's a riot,

1217
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: but when you join it. This was crazy because when

1218
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: I did Narcos, it was like an offshoot, right, it

1219
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: was a spinoff sort of of you know, Narcos, and

1220
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: it was me and Diego Luna and we were starting

1221
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: off this new thing, right, which was it was cool.

1222
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,959
Speaker 2: It was you know, it was something new, so you know, yeah,

1223
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: we were we weren't taking it over per se. It

1224
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: was just another story here. It was completely different. I've

1225
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: never been in that situation where these guys are on

1226
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: their fourth season, all these guys that work together for

1227
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: four years and you know, Mike him and Mike Kelly

1228
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: are like best friends and you know, windows there and

1229
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: like everybody has like a shorthand and you're just like

1230
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: they have inside jokes and you're laughing from the outside

1231
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: because it is kind of funny, but it's.

1232
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: Not as funny.

1233
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: So they're they're going straight guttural and you're like, you know,

1234
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: and it feels like you're in high school, you know

1235
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: what I mean, and you just you know, they invited

1236
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: you over to the to the lunch table, but like

1237
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: you don't really know all their inside jokes. So that's

1238
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: how it feels, right and uh. And then but by

1239
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: the end, like that's when you know, we all became

1240
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: really friendly and stuff and it was great and you know,

1241
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: but you like it started to get great right when

1242
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: you knew that. It was like, oh, okay, cool, this

1243
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: is the fourth season. It's going to end. There's going

1244
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: to be no more glad I was here.

1245
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, I feel like you told me am I

1246
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: right about this, like two years ago you were talking

1247
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: about this has been a long time coming, right, or

1248
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: at least the discussions and the shooting of this.

1249
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I think I mean, I want.

1250
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: To say it was like two to three years ago

1251
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: that you were like, yeah, yeah, bro, I think John, John,

1252
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: I think I may be working with your pal John.

1253
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: This has been going a long time, dude.

1254
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: But apparently, like the Clancy a state has like five

1255
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: different parties with five different sets of lawyers. To do anything,

1256
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: like you got to go through them, Like I think,

1257
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: I think we're waiting on the okay for my character

1258
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: to be in the show or something like that. Like,

1259
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: so there's there's a lot, you know, there's there. I

1260
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of politics and stuff or or

1261
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: you know, rights, or it's got to go through five

1262
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: parties and everyone's got to be happy. I think maybe

1263
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: that's what happened. Like I'm not sure, but I do

1264
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: remember getting a strong phone call from Krazinski, who when

1265
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: you get on the phone with him, you're like, Oh,

1266
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: this guy's a door he's a go getter, you know

1267
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I was really like, hey, buddy,

1268
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: is this happening? You know what's going on? Ye who

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Speaker 2: knows it might or might not be speculating.

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Speaker 1: Huge mega hit Jack Ryan, check it out final season,

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Speaker 1: fourth season. Dude, You're awesome. Congratulations on all of your success.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see you next week and uh

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Speaker 1: and I could watch you forever.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan, so.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for all those years, man like you made

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Speaker 2: us laugh so much. Bro.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Mike, thank you for stopping by. Great

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Speaker 1: chatting with you, and I cannot wait to check out

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Speaker 1: this new season of Jack Ryan. Say hi to John

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Speaker 1: for me, to everyone out there listening, thank you as

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Speaker 1: always for stopping by. We're going to be back next

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Speaker 1: week to delight your eardrums with another fantastic guest. And uh,

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Speaker 1: well and with me until then, have a wonderful week

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Speaker 1: and uh and we'll see you soon. Off the Beat

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Speaker 1: is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Ling Lee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr.

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Speaker 1: Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern

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Speaker 1: is Thomas Olsen. Theme song Bubble and Squeak performed by

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Speaker 1: the one and only Creed Bretton,