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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was saying this the other day. I think what

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs started doing and I think the

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Speaker 1: Rams have followed suit, is there's kind of a trend

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Speaker 1: that the Steelers are not doing this, which is, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna draft our defense. We're gonna stay young, cheap

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Speaker 1: and twitchy. Defensive players get hurt more than offensive players.

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Speaker 1: So you want a younger defense. We will pay for

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones. The Rams, i think, will eventually pay for

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Speaker 1: Jared Verse. You want to have most of your money

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side, left tackle, quarterback weapon and that

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Speaker 1: that feels like what Kansas City started to do with Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Like we're gonna pay for some stuff to help him

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Speaker 1: offensive line, but we're gonna keep our defense super super young,

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Speaker 1: you know, because offense is more choreographed. It's more of

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Speaker 1: an offensive league. You want to make fewer mistakes. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Rams defense was the least penalized last year for

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Speaker 1: its age, which just doesn't even make sense. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I was this week. I talked about Michael Parsons and

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Speaker 1: I said, I couldn't pay him top of the market.

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Speaker 1: I like him, but I don't think he has the

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Speaker 1: strength of Jared Verse, the consistency of Miles Garrett. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't play inside like Chris Jones. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: as kind of intimidating or as consistent as Max Crosby.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's as good as Trey Henderson. That's

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Speaker 1: my interpretation. How do you I think he's a splash

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Speaker 1: player and a good one. How do you view Michael Parson?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he's better than probably the

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Speaker 3: way you just described him. But I'm with you, like

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Speaker 3: the upper upper echelon of you know, a Miles Garrett

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Speaker 3: for a pass rusher, you know, Bosa, a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago, got one hundred and twenty five million dollars guaranteed,

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Speaker 3: give or take to what's parsons one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: million dollars. I mean, are we talking quarterback contract? But

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Speaker 3: Jerry's already down this road. I mean, the chance to

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Speaker 3: trade him or move on would have been before the draft.

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Speaker 3: And we also know the way that Jerry does business

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Speaker 3: is like anyone thinking that Mike is gonna get paid

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Speaker 3: during the fourth of July holiday hasn't been falling the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna happen mid to late August, right before

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Speaker 3: the season, and it's gonna be absolutely top of the market.

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Speaker 3: And I've always theorized I don't know if Jerry has

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Speaker 3: this incredible investment. He never likes pulling out the cash

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Speaker 3: till the last second, but he does. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: done it very consistently now with Dak with Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 3: he waits till the last second on his premium. They

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Speaker 3: would have been way better off, clearly, like we have

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Speaker 3: enough evidence now the market's only going up and up

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Speaker 3: and up, so they should have paid him after last year.

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Speaker 3: It would have been way cheaper. But they're down this

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Speaker 3: road I'm with you if he's the cornerstone, Like you're

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Speaker 3: Ray Lewis, you're Reggie White, you're Chris Jones. Because the

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Speaker 3: one thing Chris Jones at this point in time in

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Speaker 3: his career takes some plays off, but in a big game,

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Speaker 3: he can be the best player on the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Michael Parsons can. But you know, against the run, is

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Speaker 3: he an elite player? I would say no, he's he's

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Speaker 3: a special pass rusher. But when does a pass rusher

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Speaker 3: come into play when you're up ten points? You know,

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Speaker 3: an astronomical amount of money. Now, it's essentially like what

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Speaker 3: They're all in on two players, Micah Parsons and Cde

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Speaker 3: Schedule's pretty difficult. I mean, Dak, I think we got

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Speaker 1: So I was a little surprised. You like the Packers

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think they're very beholden on and

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Speaker 3: on Jacobs. I think Kenny clark Uh is a excellent player.

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Speaker 3: they got good tight ends. To me, they are I'm

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Speaker 3: Coaching staff's pretty damn good. Like their talent is good,

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Speaker 3: This is a team sport. That's why pushback always on

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Speaker 3: the NBA there's more talent than ever. Well, it's not

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Speaker 3: Because I'm with you. If you just did like a

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Speaker 3: but you go, they've been running circles around the Bears

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Speaker 3: it is a team sport. Their head coach is not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think when you're a young quarterback and

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's like a veteran quarterback who comes back.

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Speaker 1: I felt like Jordan Love never got into a rhythm

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, McCaffrey is a he's the bellcow.

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Speaker 1: He touches it. They're really good. I think Kyle's excellent,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Philadelphia is a factory, and they let go

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Speaker 3: No one really cares. Team hasn't been good. You struggle

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Speaker 3: at Auburn when you're in his situation like that was

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Speaker 3: a that was like an NFL, the way they're covered,

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Speaker 3: the amount of people that care. Uh, the spotlight that

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Speaker 3: was on him. Remember he was I think his first

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Speaker 3: long long time.

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Speaker 1: Throwing the corner. He played a big throw as a

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Speaker 3: And then his career just kind of unraveled as their

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Speaker 3: him in two stable environments, Oregon and Denver, and he's thrived.

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Speaker 3: So it's safe to say, like, yeah, pretty impressive guy.

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Speaker 3: I would bet on bow Knicks because Sean Payton clearly

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Speaker 3: not going anywhere. I mean, they are a twelve thirteen

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Speaker 3: contract extension, right, he was given five years, ninety million.

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Speaker 3: They have a good year and the trajectory of this franchise,

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Speaker 3: and listen, I would have assumed when Sean got the

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Speaker 3: And John it's saying it feels like He's worked pretty seamlessly.

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Speaker 3: They work together. Maybe Sean's realized I got to pick

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Speaker 3: my battles like, let's just get along, and it feels

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Speaker 3: with Pete Carroll and the Raiders, Like Jim Harbaugh's kind

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Speaker 3: of matured. Sean Payton's at a different stage in his

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Speaker 3: life obviously. You know, Andy's the most human feature on

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Speaker 3: the scene. It's a really really difficult division with these

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Speaker 3: guys like that have really figured it out, that have

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Speaker 1: It's pretty scary. Yeah, No, I think I think actually

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Speaker 1: Patton's a pretty good GM. I thought I didn't think

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Speaker 1: He hired Draw on May and he just wasn't ready

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Speaker 1: I mean, they took a huge swing on Sean McVay

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Speaker 3: But they hacket it right because they thought Rogers was

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Speaker 1: got my theories and beliefs. The NBA West is now

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Speaker 1: like the all bad owner front office teams are all

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522
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Speaker 1: is going to make a huge leap. Minnesota is really

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Speaker 1: are viable. You could argue all of those teams. I mean,

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Speaker 1: them could compete for the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure they could win it. I don't think the Clippers

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Speaker 1: could win it, but it is interesting. The only thing

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Speaker 1: I can account for the dominance. It's like SEC times two,

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Speaker 1: Like the SEC had a twenty year run, but now

532
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: the Big ten feels as good or better. The West

533
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Speaker 1: is pulling away. Some of it's just Tatum and Halliburton's injuries.

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Speaker 1: Mike guesses its ownership stinks out East. That's I mean

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Speaker 1: the Knicks firing TIBs. I mean, any thoughts on the domination.

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Speaker 1: It's a winter league and the weather's better out West.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's actually a piece of it, right,

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Speaker 2: I think like some of it is people want to

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Speaker 2: go La. That's two of the teams. The Warriors became

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Speaker 2: a juggernaut, world class organization, Silicon Valley business. That that's

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Speaker 2: out where all these guys now have podcast companies in

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Speaker 2: media company is and all of that. Your your ownership

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Speaker 2: point out East is luck of the draw. Some of

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Speaker 2: it is lottery too, right, Like the Spurs won the

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Speaker 2: lottery in the WENB. Yamin year West, Dallas wins the

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Speaker 2: lottery in the Cooper Flag year West. You mentioned Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Dallas is Kyrie, Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: Now you're right, I forgot to put Dallas. And there's

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Speaker 1: six teams I love.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, So like so some of it is blind luck,

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00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 2: some of it is some of it is weather. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Miami has been an attractive destination and they're

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00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: just a little down right right now, right like they

555
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: usually could have gotten KD And I would not have

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Speaker 2: loved the Tyler Hero, Bamana Bayo, Kevin Durant Big Three

557
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: as like an NBA champion contender, but we certainly would

558
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Speaker 2: have talked about them as being viable in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 2: And this isn't what your main point was, but I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna bring it up anyway because I'm fascinated by it.

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00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: I think that what Milwaukee did make made sense. I

562
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Speaker 2: know they're getting killed for it, but they were just

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Speaker 2: the five seed in the East. You are as much

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Speaker 2: of an NBA fan and historian as I am. Can

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Speaker 2: you think of because I have a period of time

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Speaker 2: that I'm thinking of where the gap between the best

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Speaker 2: player in a conference and the second best player in

568
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Speaker 2: a conference has been larger than what it will be

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Speaker 2: next year between Yannis and the second best player in

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Speaker 2: the East without Jason Tatum, because like second best player

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Speaker 2: in the East next year, Kate Cunningham, Jaylen Carroll, Ban Carrow.

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Speaker 2: Sure Jalen Brunson, like Yannis, is thirty twelve and six

573
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Speaker 2: and still a top fifteen to twenty defensive player in

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Speaker 2: the league. And the only reason he's not top five

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Speaker 2: defensive lead is because he's doing so much damn work

576
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Speaker 2: on offense. Like they were just the five seed, they

577
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Speaker 2: absolutely believe that they can win, and they might be

578
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Speaker 2: dead ass wrong. And you know, they gave up everything

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Speaker 2: for Dame and Drew and then Dame got hurt and

580
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: not like Miles Turner's game. But Milwaukee is saying, Giannis

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Speaker 2: gave us everything, including a title, and he wants to

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Speaker 2: beat Kobe. He wants to be Tim Duncan, he wants

583
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Speaker 2: to be here forever. So in the East, why can't

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: he grind us to fifty wins and the four seed

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Speaker 2: and his third MVP, which would be there's only nine

586
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Speaker 2: guys in NBA history who won three or more MVPs.

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00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: And like that season, even if it doesn't end in

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00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: a title, that's a season that Bucks fans would love.

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00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: Like that, that's a worthwhile exercise and professional sports entertainment.

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Speaker 2: I think if I think if the Bucks with Giannis

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Speaker 2: and the Dame injury and the salary cap situation and

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Speaker 2: the lack of draft picks. If they were New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: if they were in the West, they would trade Yiannis.

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00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: But they look at it and they say, we've got

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Speaker 2: the best player in the history of the franchise, the

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Speaker 2: peak of his powers, who wants to be here. He's

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Speaker 2: not looking for Miami or La or movie stardom or

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Speaker 2: anything like that. Like, Okay, fine, we'll stretch Dame and

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Speaker 2: we're going to just try to grind out as many

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Speaker 2: wins as possible. I think there's something admirable in it,

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Speaker 2: even if it won't end in a championship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have the opposite take, which is it

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Speaker 1: is so hard. First of all, dynasties mostly come in

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Speaker 1: certain NBA cities, or when you have a transformational player

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Speaker 1: and he has a great coach like Duncan and Pop Kerr,

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Speaker 1: Kadi Curry, you know Magic and Riley, you know Lebron,

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Wade Spolstra, and so Milwaukee has never gotten the coach right.

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Speaker 1: And it's also not a desirable area. And in my life,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing it now in the seventies and now

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Speaker 1: we're seeing it over the last seven years. It's just

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Speaker 1: one there's no great teams with the new CBA and aprons,

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Speaker 1: there won't be You just can't do it. I mean

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Speaker 1: even a team I like next year a lot Orlando,

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Speaker 1: they may never win a title. Just have a bunch

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Speaker 1: of one A player and a bunch of B plus

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Speaker 1: a minus guys.

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Speaker 3: But in NBA.

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Speaker 1: History that sometimes one is enough. Think about how good

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Speaker 1: the Shack Penny, Nick Anderson Dennis Scott teams were no titles.

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Speaker 1: Think how good the Sacramento Kings were they couldn't get

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Speaker 1: Yokich got one. My take is, okay, see won't win

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Speaker 1: it next year. They're two inconsistent offensively in Houston now

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Speaker 1: and Denver and all these teams in the West, they're

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: just going to chip away. Everybody is that if you

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Speaker 1: win one and you have Gi honest, and you win

627
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Speaker 1: you can't get the coach right and you get old

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Speaker 1: really fast, which happened in Milwaukee three years ago. Middleton,

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Speaker 1: against younger athletic teams like Boston for three years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think people are forgetting they were favored over Indiana

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Speaker 1: in the end, it destroyed them.

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Speaker 2: The games were competitive, yeah, I mean, listen, I think

643
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: there is some truth to that. But there's also like

644
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: they've had bad injuries at bad times. Like I was

645
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: at Game one Bucks Heat and it was the one seedv.

646
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Speaker 2: The eight seed and they lose to Miami. Jannis falls

647
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Speaker 2: on his back in the playoffs, gets hurt. Isn't the

648
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Speaker 2: same guy ouse to the series Dame hurt in the

649
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Speaker 2: playoffs but doesn't play this whole series. Middleton has gotten

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Speaker 2: hurt in the playoffs like they I think they like

651
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Speaker 2: they got one and then they haven't won playoff series

652
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Speaker 2: since and were the national responses like, oh, well, so

653
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Speaker 2: then they haven't been close since in Milwaukee, they're like, well,

654
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: we've also had bad injury luck to go along with it,

655
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Speaker 2: and you're definitely right. They want to hold on to

656
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: it and it's the big game in town. But has

657
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Speaker 2: Utah won the you Go Bear trade? Like the team

658
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Speaker 2: that trades the superstar for the four or five or

659
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Speaker 2: six assets. There's now a lot of examples of it

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Speaker 2: working out. It worked out in Oklahoma City they traded

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Speaker 2: Paul George and they get SGA and a draft pick

662
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: that becomes Jalen Williams. But they also had Sam Presty

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Speaker 2: doing the trading and the drafting, and there aren't many

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Speaker 2: of those guys out there, Like, what's a trade for Giannis?

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Speaker 2: Where you're gonna turn around and be like, yup, the

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Speaker 2: Bucks are going to be back in the NBA finals

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00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: in three years?

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is the one, so kd shen Goon, I'm

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Speaker 1: on temp. Thompson don't win, they get they don't even

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Speaker 1: get to the finals, and Katie's one year older. And

671
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Speaker 1: then Houston says for Tita says, okay, we're going for it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go for it. Shen Goon an All Star

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Speaker 1: for Jannis, Jabari Smith, who's going to back up Katie

674
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Speaker 1: this year? Sure, and and five unprotected first round picks

675
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: and maybe a deep bench rotational players. Now it's kd Aman, Thompson,

676
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Speaker 1: Jannis and other young guys that.

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Speaker 2: Houston would want it.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm Milwaukee, I get. I mean, Shengon's going

679
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: to be a twenty four point game guy for next

680
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Speaker 1: to eight years. He's he's really a beautiful player.

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00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is thes What is he won?

682
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: Well? No, no, okay, okay, it's fair, it's fair, But

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Speaker 1: then I get.

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Speaker 2: To it's hard. It's hard. My point. My point is

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00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: it's I think you're always going to lose on that trade.

686
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: And even if your point is okay, well, eighty cents

687
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: on the dollar is better than fifty cents on the dollar.

688
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: There's something too, and you I think we can be

689
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: a little national remove fandom live in a bunch of

690
00:35:54,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: different places. There's something too. Yannis love Milwaukee and Milwaukee

691
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: loving Giannis. Yes, he was the fifteenth pick in the draft.

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00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: He was a skinny kid from Greece and when he

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00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: came to Milwaukee. You can google the stories the NBA

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00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: was buying the arena back from the Bucks. Yes, I remember,

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: they're like, you need to get public financing for your

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00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: stadium where we are going to move your team, And

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00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: they got the financing, they opened the building. Ownership says,

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00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: this is a commitment to show that we can build

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00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: around and win with Giannis. They built a new practice facility,

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00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: a beautiful new arena, and then he delivers a championship.

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Speaker 2: And this is just a silly anecdote that I happen

702
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: to know just from being in Chicago. But like Yannis,

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00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: whenever he would come and play the Bulls, he would

704
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: go to you probably know that you know ovly the

705
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: Greek restaurants. Yeah, so the guy who owns it is

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00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: lu canelis the local sports anchor on the affiliate in Chicago.

707
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: He's a restaurant tour also, it's probably his main business.

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00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: By now, there's there's one in There's there's like five locations,

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: four or five locations in and around Chicago, and there's

710
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: one in Milwaukee that Yannis. Everyone was like, oh, Yannis

711
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: is gonna leave Milwaukee and go to the Bulls because

712
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: he wants to like have all the good Greek restaurants

713
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: in Chicago and He's like, no, I'm just gonna open

714
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: a good Greek restaurant in Milwaukee. Like he he brought

715
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: the Greek food to Milwaukee. Like the guy, it's a

716
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: throwback man. Like we said, like Steph Curry is the Warriors,

717
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: it would be weird if he played somewhere else. Tim

718
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: Duncan was the Spurs, Kobe was the Lakers, Like there's

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Speaker 2: I am just rooting for the purity of the fifteenth

720
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: pick in the draft who delivers the title to the

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Speaker 2: small market. And he's like, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm

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Speaker 2: not messing with happy. I don't think it could. I

723
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Speaker 2: don't think. I think you're you like moving, You're like La.

724
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Speaker 2: You're like you're like I like London and La and

725
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: Europe and backpacking and biking and like you like moving around.

726
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: And I get it. But this guy, I think he

727
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: just likes Milwaukee. I think we project onto Giannis, would

728
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: we we want Giannis to play for a championship, that's right,

729
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: And he's like, why can't I play for a championship here?

730
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: And he's probably wrong.

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Speaker 1: So this is something that I've never understood. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand the advantage of it. Back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,

733
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Speaker 1: and nineties when the NFL, you literally could be average

734
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Speaker 1: at quarterback and win your division regularly. You ran the ball,

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00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: you played defense. The NFL allowed all sorts of clutching

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Speaker 1: and grabbing and hitting late. I mean there's videos of

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00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Joe Montana being slammed the turf, which would get you

738
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: thrown out for like six games. Now, so I never

739
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: understood snow games, but I do think there was an

740
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: era in which, if you were built right, run game

741
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: weren't great at quarterback defense, snow games were a little

742
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: bit of an advantage. But Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns come

743
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: out over the last week and they're like, we're coming

744
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: out with a new stadium, and people are like, oh

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00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: my god, there goes the home field advantage. I'm like,

746
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Speaker 1: you have a horrible home record over the last three decades. First,

747
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: But my takeaway is it's a quarterback league. Snow Brady

748
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Speaker 1: is an exception that I would watch him and Manning

749
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: playing snow and I'm like, oh, Tom's winning the game.

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Speaker 1: I could tell him pregame they take that shot on

751
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: CBS and Manning would be freezing. If marks, probably Tom's winning.

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00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: It's over is that the snow game Today, there's not

753
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: many of them at fields like but I think it's

754
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: always been completely overrated. There's a reason we play Bowl

755
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: games in better weather. I don't want my football screwed

756
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: with by ice storms and sleet, and I think it

757
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: remains the most overratted thing in American sports, the snow

758
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Speaker 1: football game.

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Speaker 2: I want my games to be played like they are

760
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: supposed to be played. So I'm glad the Super Bowl

761
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: is in a dome, right I do. But I like

762
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Speaker 2: December regular season games in snow like. I think there

763
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: is something too, like lamp like, there's like some stadiums

764
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: that should just be grandfathered in, Like Fenway is like

765
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a pain in the ass, but

766
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Speaker 2: you'd be bummed if they changed Fenway Wriggly. They've renovated

767
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: Wrigley and they've made it better with video boards and

768
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: accessibility and all that, but like, that is still a

769
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Speaker 2: brick wall out there covered by ivy. It's not like

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00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: the most practical thing in the world. Right, Like if

771
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Speaker 2: Pete crow Armstrong, who's gonna be the starting center fielder

772
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: for the National League, ran into the brick wall and

773
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: broke his shoulder, we would do the topic of like

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Speaker 2: should there be a brick wall in center field? Yes, yeah,

775
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: that's pretty dangerous, that's pretty archaic, but there's a charm

776
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: to it. It doesn't have to make sense Lambeau Like

777
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: if the so you'd say that the Packers should put

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00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: a roof on Lambeau Field.

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Speaker 1: No, I think exactly. Yeah, I mean I think green

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00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: Bay is what green Bay is. I think it's I

781
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: think it's history is the frozen tundra in Vince Lombardi right, right.

782
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't make any sense for an NFL team

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00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: to be in green Bay, Wisconsin. Right if we were

784
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: if we were starting the league tomorrow from scratch and

785
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: you picked thirty two cities, we wouldn't pick green Bay. Well,

786
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: it's it's angel agree the NFL is better with green

787
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: Bay existing.

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00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: What what? What is laughable about the Bears is green

789
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: Bay is always drafted quarterback farv Aaron and Love with

790
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: above average arms, and the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly

791
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen understand the value of a whip in

792
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: northern climates. That's why it was always indefensible when Mitch Trubisky,

793
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: who's ball dyed twenty four yards down the field was

794
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: drafted by the Bears. It's like, is there a Dome

795
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: stadium that was as agreed to that I'm not aware,

796
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 1: Like there's some teams that don't even understand the weather advantages.

797
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: This Dome team draft Tua warm weather Tua. If you

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00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: draft him and cold, you're idiotic and should be fired

799
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Speaker 1: as general manager.

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Speaker 2: The volume