1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Colts Reunion Podcast, a conversation with former 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Colts players oh look back at their career, what they're 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: up to now, and how the Colts played a positive 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: role in their lives. Hello and everyone, and welcome to 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: the Colts Official podcast. This is the Alumni series. These 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: are always special. We do that with the famed alumni 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: of the Indianapolis Colts. Also a Ring of Honor member 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Bill Brooks. I am Jeffrey Gorman and let's get right 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: to it because this next guest we've had. We've been 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: waiting a minute to talk to this man because he 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: played the game differently than most. And if you don't 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: believe me, check out the highlights and he will be 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: the newest member of the Colts Ring of Honor, Old 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: number ninety eight. We love seeing that number and seeing 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: what you did to create havoc on the football field. 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Welcome Robert Mathis. Hey, thanks for having me man in 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: a long time. Enjoy my time as a player. So 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: the only feels right absolutely when you got word you 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: were going up in the Ring of Honor. And Robert, 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: you played a lot of games in that stadium. You 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: would look up there before you do your thing on 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: the field. What does that mean to you? The first 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: thing that you heard to say, Hey, I'm going to 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: be immortalized up there with the greats. Very humble man, 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: just this and still surreal, just like you got these 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: You've got guys like Bill Brooks, Paid Manning, Jim Staturday, 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: the White all these these these guys, these letting dark 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: coach guys and all, and they said you're next. You know, like, 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: thank you, I'll take it. But I'm still humble, all 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: the same, all the same. That's what we love about you, man, 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: because a very you know, quiet I remember your first 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: year here, very quiet and stuff of getting making things 33 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: happen and became a leader of this football team. But 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: the passion that you have for playing the position of 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback, Robert, that's something that not many have. 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: Have you been able to share your experience with other 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: players that have the ability that you did, And is 38 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: that a tough thing to do because you're trying to 39 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: teach some of these guys your tricks and they just 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: can't pull them off off. Well, rest assure anybody that 41 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: are listened, I'm gonna talk about Hayden quarterbacks. So that 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a problem. But the thing is, uh, you have 43 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: it's that one too. It's a very few guys that 44 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: really just want to get after the court. Well a 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: lot of people say they want to do it, but 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: they're if you're willing to do what it takes to 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: actually get it done. And once you come across those guys, 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: you kind of just kind of stick them closer to 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: the vest and just just kind of pouring to him 50 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: and mold them. Robert, you talked about going against quarterbacks 51 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: that you didn't like quarterbacks or is there any particular 52 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: quarterback that you really really enjoy hitting when you played against. Yeah. Absolutely, 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: And uh, he came in the league well I'm want 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: to say, three years before me, and he's still playing. 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: I think I know who that is, and you might 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: see him in in a couple of weeks. Yeah, it 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: just always it was always tough, just a tough match 58 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: going against him in the old Patriot rivalries. So it 59 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: was just when you're able to get to him, it's 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: just there's a lot of a lot of work went 61 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: into that. So, you know, Dwighting myself and along with 62 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of other other guys that we played with. Man, 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: it was just just things that you remember for for 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: a long time. Right now, you talked about it was 65 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: tough going against that quarterback. Now what about a defensive 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: line offensive lineman. Who was the toughest offensive lineman you 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: had to go against throughout your career? Oh, I say, 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: the toughest is Walter Jones, even though I had just 69 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: met a couple of a couple of rushes against him. 70 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: But he was like, he's that guy. But uh, it 71 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of battles with the old Tennessee Titans. 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Offensive tackles are roosts and big country. So those little 73 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: guys that kind of gave me a lot of us 74 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of problems. White that dwighting myself, but who 75 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: are not the white? He kind of whipped roots a 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: little bit. But but uh, off the top of my head, 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: those two as a as a duo gave us some battles. Absolutely. 78 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: That's Robert mathis soon to be in the Ring of Honor. 79 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: That's right during the halftime of the Tampa Bay Bucks 80 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: game coming up here soon he will be immortalized in that. Robert, 81 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: the way you played the game was choreographed. It was acrobatic, 82 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: it was symphonic, it was moves that you didn't have 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: coming out of college that you became an expert at. 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: I know Dwight Freeney had a lot to do with that, 85 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: But where did the way that you played the game 86 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: and would rush the passer who gave you the most info, 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: who gave you the most learning tools to say, hey, 88 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: I can do it, and I can do that at 89 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: a big disadvantage at this level. Well, I would say 90 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: John Tulling had a whole lot to do with that 91 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: because he gave Dwight and myself the freedom to just 92 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: to be creative in our rushies. And so most most orses, 93 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: most of those Russies don't work, but a few of 94 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: them work. And then he let us practice those moves 95 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: and in football practice and all you behold, it just 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: kind of tailor our game to whatever our skill level was. So, 97 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, the white isn't want to give you that spin, 98 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: that the inside spining. So I'd like to kind of 99 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: vary it because I was, you know, quote unquote under side, 100 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: so I was I wanted to try to throw a 101 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: mirage of things at that offensive tackles. So, man, my 102 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: thing is, if you have them thinking, most times they're 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: gonna lose that right. Yeah, and if you also, this 104 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: is a huge part of it. If you look at 105 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: the tape on you, the way that you rushed would 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: be sometimes it looked like your shoulder pads were twelve 107 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: inches off the ground, but you were coming full force. 108 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: You understand what I'm talking about. You'd go underneath blocks 109 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: like that. And I know you did that in college, 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: honed it up a little bit. But when did you 111 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: learn what year did you learn that? Saying? Man, I 112 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: am coming out and being a tornado to these quarterbacks 113 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: and the stuff that I When did you feel like 114 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: you belonged in the NFL? Yeah? When I was in college, 115 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: a lot of those offensive tackles were close to my height, 116 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: so I got you really really couldn't get underneath them. 117 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: But when we get to the NFL, these guys are 118 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: six or five or better, and me being six feet 119 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: I said, okay, this is a game of leverage. So 120 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna try to get underneath them and try 121 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: to squat them off and kind of like slingshoting myself 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: around to the quarterback and loring behole. I discover offensive 123 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: linemen they don't like to play below their bellies. I 124 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: just kind of used that and so just try to 125 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: run around them, and then the one stage just to that. 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Then I started doing the patent of freny span and 127 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: after that, do you bull rushing because they're not ready 128 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: for it, because and then that's how you make them think. 129 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: And we all would like always like to say his 130 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: chest not checkers, right, it's kind of play action like 131 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: on an offense and says it really is like, Hey, 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna set these guys up for a bull rush, 133 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna spend moving go underneath them. I love 134 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: the way because, like I said, with John Tierlink, that 135 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: was a symphony that you guys had. He he let 136 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: you run, he let you and Dwight you know, do 137 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: your thing. But boy, oh boy, the choreograph moves that 138 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: you would have. That was an art. That was an 139 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: absolute art. And you, my friend, are the artiste when 140 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: it comes to the strip sack. Yeah, when it comes 141 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: to U. And I can't speak enough about John Tierley 142 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: because we have a model that we have in my 143 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: training company is called skill not scheme, and that really 144 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: I credit him with that because he told us, look, 145 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm the coach, you guys are the players. I'm gonna 146 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: coach around your talents. That is the job of a coach, 147 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: of a good coach. That is, so whatever that where, 148 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you guys do, I'm gonna coach 149 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: around it. So go do what you do. And and 150 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: now you and and with the strip sax. I grew 151 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: up watching Derek Thomas. I was watching him on the 152 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: old football NFL rocks type type videos and he always 153 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: came with that. He called her that tomahawk chop on 154 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And I was doing that in high school, 155 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: college and then got to the pros and John Tilley. 156 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: He never altered my game. I said, Okay, we're gonna 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: keep it going. We're gonna we're gonna chop chop the 158 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: ball out these quarterbacks hand. Well that's great. Now you 159 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: talk about the impact Tilink had on your career in 160 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: the NFL. But there's another player you played with, Dwight Freeney. 161 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: What did he mean to you playing with him and 162 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: what was the biggest thing you learned from Dwight Freney 163 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: as you played with him. Well, when I came in 164 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and three, he was probably literally the only 165 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: guy pass rusher wise that I could look in look 166 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: out of eye the rest of the guys man almost 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: like seven seatons, those prototypical you know, big guys are 168 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: so and to see him like although we were similar 169 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: as far as like speed explosion, we were different. Dwhite 170 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: the White had had a whole lot of power and 171 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: uh he used that for his game and to set 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: up the inside spin and mine was the rush the 173 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: edge to set up the inside spin. So it he 174 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: the way he approached the game. And him him being 175 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: such a student of the game, I learned that from him. 176 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: He would do. We watched jam break down, tendensee uh, 177 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: formation recognition, uh, and it was all just to you know, 178 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: to get to that sack. So whatever it is that 179 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: that's gonna tell me this is a pass. Hey, I'm 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna study this all week. And I could 181 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: say I got that from him. Well that's great. You 182 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: know you talk about Dwight Frenny and you as far 183 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: as the best due to me in the National Football 184 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: League to cause havoc in the backfield there. How special 185 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: was it to have Dwight on one side and you're 186 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: on the other side of defensive mine knowing that you 187 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 1: guys are gonna meet at the quarterback hopefully get a 188 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: sack to strip sack and it's played throughout the game 189 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: and really cause havoc for offenses. It was special, but 190 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: it was not special because he stole a lot of 191 00:09:52,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: my telling like it is telling like it is Robert No, 192 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: it's just uh, first coming into the league, that he 193 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: got a lot of double teams like my first three years, 194 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: a lot of double teams and things like that. And 195 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: that's when I saw the importance of Okay, I have 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback to take these blockers off him, 197 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: some of the tensions off him, and um and you're 198 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: you're getting these one on ones and so you want 199 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: to earn your seat at the table, and the way 200 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: to do that is to go beat somebody and get 201 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. So once that train got rolling, now 202 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: he gets one on ones and you know he's gonna 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: win those. And then now you now you come with 204 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: the I call it the AFC South Print Pro with Tennessee, 205 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and then Houston. It's just seven verses four and uh, 206 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: I think that type of protection. First time I saw 207 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: it was he was versus us. So but now you 208 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: you got to have two edge rushers and UM know 209 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: to know. I know the white is gonna get home 210 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: if he has one on one, so I'm just gonna 211 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: wait for the ball to come out. I'm gonna scoop it, 212 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: try to score it. But for the most part, him 213 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: being over there is was like a safety blanket. Well 214 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: that's great now, you know you two said you two 215 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: helped each other out out there by playing. But did 216 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: you guys ever have any friendly competition as far as 217 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: who's gonna get to the quarterback first? How many quarterback 218 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: sacks are you gonna get? Ye? How many yeah, bring 219 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: it robbers, how many strip sacks on gonna have? Or whatever? 220 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Is there was there any friendly competition with you guys 221 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: out throughout the year, although we were each other's biggest 222 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: chier leaders. It was it was unspoken if he got 223 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: a sack early in the game, guess what I'm gonna life. 224 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: I need to get back there. But no, it was 225 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: never out, never in any jealousy. It was just he, Okay, 226 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: he's hot now, so keep going because now you're about 227 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: to get some extra blockers over there on you. So 228 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: once that happens, I'm gonna get going, and vice versa. 229 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: So it was something we just always fayed off each other, 230 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: and and as time, like as times for Grist, we started, 231 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: we start synchronizing our rushes. So if you go low, 232 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: I go high. Yeah, if you go high, I go low. 233 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: Stuff like that wonderful. Like I said, it's like a 234 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: symphony watching YouTube work. Robert Mathis going in the Cults 235 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor at halftime of the upcoming Tampa Bay 236 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: Bucks Colts game at Lucas Oil Stadium. Here, I've known 237 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: you a lot of years. I've known you since your 238 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: rookie year coming in here. One thing I did, Bill, 239 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: I'll tay is I cut him a wide berth, meaning 240 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: I didn't mess with Robert Mathis. Okay, he had a 241 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: look in his eye even at Wednesday practice, Thursday practice. 242 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: You just let him do his thing, you know what 243 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that competitive fire, Robert, that's stuff that 244 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: that not many people have seen out of you like 245 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: we have on Sundays especially, How did you feel that 246 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: after you leaving the game, knowing what it takes to 247 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: get your body and your mind ready for a battle 248 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: and a war on Sundays, and all of a sudden 249 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: it stopped. How do you feel that fire? Oh? I 250 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: mean different? Strokes for different folks, but I know as 251 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: for me, I had to do something football related and 252 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: it became like therapy because you you just can't just 253 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: stop football. You've been doing it, you know, most guys 254 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: high school and you know, like little legs, just your 255 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: body has been on the schedule early up until this point. 256 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: And then it was just like, okay, what do I 257 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: do now. I don't miss the bumps and bruises and 258 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: the injuries and just having to pour yourself together weekly. 259 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: I do miss, like the locker room, the dynamic of that, 260 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, just camaraderie and things like that. So that 261 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: was the probably the biggest hurdle. And just being able 262 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: to teach my younger guys, younger NFL guys, college, high 263 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: school and great just grade school student athletes and pour 264 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: into them and just give them the dudes and don't 265 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: all the positives that I did. I maximized that in relationshiphip, 266 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: telling them all the the negatives. I try to minimize 267 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: it by look, this is what I did wrong, don't 268 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: do this, don't be like Robert here, have to deal. 269 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: So whenever I get a lot of satisfaction from that. 270 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: So I'm in a good place a great place actually, 271 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: and uh that couldn't be more blessed than um and 272 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: just thankful for opportunity. But I bet there are those 273 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: times when you're watching a Sunday or Monday night game 274 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: where you see something happening and want to throw something 275 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: at the TV say come on man, absolutely absolutely, It's 276 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: been a couple of times I don't kicked over my 277 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: h just want to flip a couch to a thorough 278 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: book at the at the TV. But but that's just 279 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: we can't watch football as fans of line. I'm dissecting. 280 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at the dbs or receivers. I'm 281 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: looking at the pass rushers and like the first the 282 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: first three seconds, I'm watching that then or whenever he 283 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: throw the ball, then that's will not become a fan. 284 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: But I'm looking at it. I'm critiquing, criticizing, and and 285 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: and cussin. That's what they should have for Robert matthis. 286 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Just have him on a speed dial for all for 287 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: all these defensive coordinators and saying, hey, well, how should 288 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: I you know, give me a call right now during 289 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: this game and what we should do. That's what I 290 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: think you're great at is improvising and getting to the 291 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: quarterback Robert Matthe is going too the cult Spring of 292 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: Honor at the halftime of the Tampa Bay Bucks game. 293 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Your relationship with Peyton Manning, your relationship with Tony Dungee, 294 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: Can you expand expand on that a little bit? Because 295 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: you guys helped each other out so much, You and 296 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: the head coach, the way that you played defensively, the 297 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: way that he stared the ship, and of course the 298 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: sheriff what he did offensively with your prowess on defense. 299 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with those two? Well, with Bill 300 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Pony and a Tony Dungee, they had a blueprint. Get 301 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Peyton man in the ball, he will get a league, 302 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: get the league the white and Robert you keep the 303 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: league period. That's what it was. And me watching Peyton, 304 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: he just how he approached the game from the mental 305 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: aspect that made that that That probably was the biggest 306 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: thing that I learned. And I'm coming in as a 307 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: rookie watching him. He was five years in, but he 308 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: would fill up a whole notebook and like two in 309 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: a two weeks time, and I like, she all this 310 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: goes into I mean, but you can see how proficient 311 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: and efficient that that that he is with it and 312 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: just surgical. I like, okay, well let me incorporate a 313 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: little bit more note taken in my game film study 314 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: and just and that's how I learned that this is 315 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: this is this is your job, your career, so treated 316 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: as such and just be a businessman about that. He 317 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: taught me how to be a businessman about my football career. 318 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm indebted to him, Uh, Coach Dungee. It 319 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: was he kept it simple and he treat treat men 320 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: like men, and and it was if you didn't get 321 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: the job done, He's going to tell you what it 322 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: is in his calm voice and say you're killing us 323 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: if you if you're really killing us, and just keep 324 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: it just kept it all the way real and just 325 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: straight up and down. So these are things that you 326 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: appreciate as men. Tied me what you expect and if 327 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I can't get it done, that's on me. And so 328 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: these are I mean, just all the people that have 329 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: I've came across during my time with the coach man, 330 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: these are things I will always remember. You know why 331 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: you talked about Peyton Manning, you talked about Toy Dungee 332 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: and how good they were. Do you ever look back 333 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: on your time there and think how good you guys 334 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: really were? Because there are not many players I can 335 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: be able to play in in this with the Coats 336 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: and go through that much success during that time period. 337 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: Do you just look back and say, Wow, we had 338 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: a special time back then, and do you ever think 339 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: about that? You know, quite honestly, it wasn't until I retired. 340 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: I just sat back, you know, just kind of looking 341 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: at old clips and uh and just like, man, we 342 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: had we had. We had a squad for like a 343 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: decade squad squad, and um were unfortunate. I mean, we're 344 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: blessed we got a Super Bowl out to deal. But 345 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: He's like, you just gotta damn it. That's like we 346 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: left like two, two or three rings on the table 347 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: and uh, but that's how we always look at it. 348 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: But we had a special I mean from from from 349 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: one to fifty three fifth, every man on that on 350 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: that on those teams, man had had a purpose and 351 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: they had they rolls in their lanes and everybody filled 352 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: them to perfection. And uh, it was just just this 353 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: that whole locker room, the dynamic just you got the 354 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Saturdays who was. He was a very much an 355 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: unsung hero. He was he was he was the leader. 356 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: He was a leader. Let's let's let's make no mistake 357 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: about it. Uh. I mean you have the Gary Brack 358 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: who doesn't get the credit he deserves. Of course, you 359 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: got Reggie Marvd that teach you how to be out 360 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: look practice you get Marvin said this quote, Man, they 361 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: paid me to practice. The games are for free. And 362 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: it's like and I learned that from Reggie. So man, 363 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: it's just this stuff, the teaching moments that you really 364 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: don't you're not even ready for. That that sticks with 365 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: you for a lifetime. That that just unless you know 366 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: the type of team that we had. Well, the fans 367 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: certainly love you, Robert and the work that you did 368 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: here the family Bill Polian, like you said, Tony Dungee 369 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: all the way down, all through the different coaching changes 370 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: and stuff. The fans were you were always a fan 371 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: favorite because they know what you brought the table. So 372 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: before you go on that podium halftime of the Tampa 373 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Bay Bucks sitting next to the owner and listening to 374 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: over sixty thousand people roar for your induction into the 375 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, is there anything that you want to 376 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: say that the fans out there that followed your career 377 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: and cheered you on every Sunday, I am India's me. 378 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: I'm ten toes down. That's it. Yeah, I love it, Robert, 379 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: I love it. One of the most favorite Colts players 380 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: to ever play, and obviously in Indianapolis, you'll go down 381 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: in history real quick. Before we let you go, I 382 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: know you're keeping an eye on this football team at 383 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: five and five midway through the season. I'd like you 384 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: to strictly uh talk about them defensively, the defensive line, 385 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: and of course to the uh the the rush play 386 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: of the current Colts roster. What do you think is 387 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: going on with these guys? Uh? And who do they got? 388 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: What do you like about Quitty Pay? I got a 389 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: lot of questions here, Robert. Hey, you shot like ten 390 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: question about you gotta who gotta streamline? I'm I'm gonna 391 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: slow it down. Okay, let's start with Let's start Quitty 392 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: Pay into Forrest Buckner. Uh. You know those sorts of 393 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: talents that to have diala dangbos coming on strong? Now, 394 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: who's a mountain of a man? What do you think 395 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: of the current cold state? Hey? The talent is there. 396 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: Cut them loose, period, Let them do their thing, Let 397 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: them do the thing. Just turn them loose, let them 398 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: let them go, uh do what got them in the league. 399 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: So uh quitny. He's very explosive. I guess I see 400 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: a lot. I see a lot of Dwight in him, 401 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: because that's why I would love like to get to 402 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: get to get in my hands on him, work with him, 403 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: and uh it is straight spins and bull rushing and 404 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: trust me, he can. He can be the next to White. 405 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: I love to hear that. I sing a lot. He 406 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: could be the next White. Sing a lot about Hey, hey, hey, 407 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna take your call here on fifty sixth Street. 408 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: When you call ninety eight, they're gonna pick up the phone. 409 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: So if you got anything to spread, Matt Eberflus or 410 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: Frank Ryk, I mean, go go for it. Man, we 411 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: need you. Yeah, Hey, I'm here. I'm here when they 412 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: need me. I love it. Uh he is indie, indie? 413 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: Is he I like that? I mean that's what That's 414 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: what we hear from Robert Mathis. Can't wait to see 415 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: you at the Hall of or the Ring of Honor 416 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: rather induction. Boys, Man, you speaking I said a thing. Hey, hey, 417 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: can we get there? That will be coming down the 418 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: road there, Yes, will be coming down the road. That's right, 419 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I will and I'll continue at First it's the Ring 420 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: of Honor. Next it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame 421 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and Canton, Ohio because defensive coordinators. You, my friend, you 422 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: kept them up at night for well over a decade. 423 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: So yes, Ring of Honor for starters. And then we're 424 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: gonna see you and Dwight Freeney and Canton one day too. I, sir, 425 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: appreciate the time that you gave us and the in 426 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: depth talk about your career what it meant to you. 427 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: And man, I can't wait to see on that podium 428 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: come halftime of the Tampa Bay Bucks game. Oh man, 429 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: I can't wait myself. Awesome. Thanks for the time. Robert 430 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: mathis right there, newest member of the Cults Ring of Honor, 431 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: and like I said, I'll say it again and put 432 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: my stamp on it. Enjoy him and can't Ohio in 433 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: a few years because it's coming. Sure. Appreciate the time, Robert. 434 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: This is the Colt's Official Podcast, brought to you by 435 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: our friends at winn Bet for Bill Brooks. I'm Jeffrey 436 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: Gorman and Robert Mathis. Thank you again so much, sir. 437 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you Sue, all right,