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Speaker 1: Morning, Everybody's DJ n V Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the Guy,

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Speaker 1: We Are the Breakfast Club long the Roses here as well,

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Speaker 1: and we got a special guest.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: That is right, ladies and gentlemen, we have the legend

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Speaker 1: Donnie Simpson.

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Speaker 2: Wow, thank you, thank you, think good morning, good morning,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Man. I feel like a million

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Speaker 4: In the nineties.

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Speaker 3: That in a while bro Ban in a while man,

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Speaker 3: season two of The Donnie Simpson Show. Yes, sir, it's

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Speaker 3: a podcast, and I mean you've seen all forms of

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Speaker 3: media throughout the years.

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Speaker 4: What about podcasting?

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Speaker 2: Do you like that I own it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You know, that's what it's about for me at this point. Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've always felt that I was a hired smile,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I did well. I'm not going plaining

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Speaker 2: about it, man, you know it was great, but nothing

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Speaker 2: like owning you.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: I want to own me at this point, and that's

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Speaker 2: what this allows me. Man.

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Speaker 6: What has been the new things you're learning as you're

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Speaker 6: owning you and you're not just the higher smile You're

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Speaker 6: handling everything.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard. It's hard, you know, it's a

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Speaker 2: lot easy to walk in and have somebody hand you

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Speaker 2: a check for what you do. But when you got

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Speaker 2: to make all the calls, man, and you know, all

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Speaker 2: the disappointments that happened in business, it's hard. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been blessed. I have as a mentor Bob Johnson,

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Speaker 2: you know, the world's first black billionaire. That's my boy, man,

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Speaker 2: that's you know. And so Bob has been with me

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Speaker 2: every step of the way, man, helping me, you know,

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Speaker 2: run into walls that Bob you need to do this.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's just he's so brilliant, man. Bob's he's

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Speaker 2: just fascinating guy. Man. It's like, I don't care what

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Speaker 2: you ask Bob about. He's already thought about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bob don't get enough credit. You know, we interviewed

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Speaker 3: Bob via zoom. But you know I've had this say,

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Speaker 3: out to Bob and just ask, yeah, advice. It's like,

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Speaker 3: why wouldn't you ask America's first black billionaire advice, especially

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Speaker 2: Right right? No question, he knows it.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back if you don't mind, because

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Speaker 1: a lot of people know Donnie Simpson for so many

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Speaker 1: different things, right, some people just know him from radio,

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Speaker 1: some people know him from television, some people know him

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Speaker 1: for back in the day radio. So I want to

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Speaker 2: Man? I my mother owned a record shop from the

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Speaker 1: Because they kind of young.

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Speaker 2: People used to come to the record shop all the time.

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Speaker 2: I had this deep voice. My voice changed between seventh

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Speaker 2: a DJ. And it was in one ear out the

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Speaker 2: other man. I wanted to be a Baptist minister. That

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Speaker 2: Al Perkins came in well set up his booth out front.

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Speaker 2: They had a portable booth with the young glass incase,

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Speaker 2: so he invited me into the studio to do specials.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, we got the Temptation's Greatest hits

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Speaker 2: But while I'm in there, man, I'm sitting there, Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching him, and he's got his headphones on. Man,

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Speaker 2: he's chamming to the music. Man. I was like, Man,

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Speaker 2: I could do that. I could. That's what I want

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Speaker 2: It was just no doubt that's what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: And within three months I was on the air. I

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Speaker 2: was fifteen years old, you know, in Detroit. Detroit's fifth

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Speaker 2: I mean, what a blessing to get us start that young.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I couldn't even do my whole show live.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't work past ten thirty. So after school, I

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Speaker 2: have dinner, do my homework, and go back and go

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Speaker 2: live from eight to ten thirty, put the tape on

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Speaker 1: What were you talking about at age fifteen in Detroit

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Speaker 1: when this is when what Temptations and all love and singing?

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Speaker 1: What were you talking about at fifteen in Detroit?

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Speaker 2: The Temptations, the Miracles, it's four tops, I mean nineteen

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Speaker 2: right or I remember this happened with Smokey and Stevie.

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Speaker 2: I played four or five songs by them. They would

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Speaker 2: hotline number, just call, man. I was listening to you, baby,

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Speaker 2: you know, talk to Smokey, talk to Stevie. Man. It

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Speaker 2: was just it was magical Detroit at that time, right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You were in the heart of it.

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Speaker 2: Was in the heart of it. And you pick the

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Speaker 2: Well that was you know, that was a norm back then.

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Speaker 2: Of course, now you know nobody gets that privilege. But

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Speaker 2: my whole career, I'm proud of that. I always had

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Speaker 2: total control of what happened on my show. Man. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have done it any other way, you know, because

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a bit It was never a

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Speaker 2: bit driven show. You know, it was for me, everything

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Speaker 1: And how did you get to d C because most people,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people thought you were from DC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, how did you get from DC?

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Speaker 7: So your radio and Detroit?

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Speaker 1: You're fifteen, your radio career starts. Yeah, And how does

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Speaker 1: this this young individual get out the way?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well I got a call one night on the air

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Speaker 2: on the request line, and this guy's sound a very

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Speaker 2: official voice. Hello is this Donnie Simpson? I go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is Bob Hennaberry from NBC in New York, and

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Speaker 2: we'd like to talk to you about working at one

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Speaker 2: of our stations. At our station in Washington, I said,

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Speaker 2: come on, man, who the hell is this really? Because

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Speaker 2: your boys would play tricks like that going and then

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Speaker 2: they hear you get all official and then they go,

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Speaker 2: oh man, it's called man. What you doing after the

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Speaker 2: show tonight? You don't, but it was real, and so

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Speaker 2: I went there to meet with him. At first I

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Speaker 2: didn't want to go because it was a disco station,

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Speaker 2: then my oldest brother who's had a very smart business mind.

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Speaker 2: I always wish I had his business mind. But he said,

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Speaker 2: just you have to listen. So I went. They picked

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Speaker 2: me up, took me on an interview at Arlington Cemetery.

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Speaker 2: It's like, is this Washington, DC or not? I mean,

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Speaker 2: why is clandestine at the cemetery? It just was weird.

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Speaker 2: But I ended up going because when I went there,

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Speaker 2: it was opportunity for me that it was NBC, that

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Speaker 2: and they were gonna make me rich. Man, I left

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Speaker 2: Detroit making thirteen thousand. They were paying me twenty seventy five.

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Speaker 4: The first car? Boy?

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Speaker 2: But well, let me first car. First car I ever

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Speaker 2: bought was in nineteen sixty four to Ford fair Lane

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Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five dollars. Man, I burned so

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Speaker 2: much oil mapple in the gas station, telling them fill

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Speaker 2: because I didn't factor in cost of living from Detroit

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Speaker 2: you know, so I didn't you know, you're not doing

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Speaker 2: And for me, Man, the moment that I remember most

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Speaker 2: it was the last pictures of my grandfather. Man, and

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Speaker 2: that you know, we're going to destroy him. You got

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Speaker 2: three months, finally got enough money. Man, it was too late,

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Speaker 2: You're gone.

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Speaker 4: Wow. You know.

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Speaker 2: So that was always a motivating factor for me. It

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Speaker 2: still is, man, that I don't ever want to be

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Speaker 2: in that position again, you know, But it was that

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Speaker 2: kind of tight for me.

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Speaker 5: For me, I'm sorry, go ahead, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I said four minutes. But you know that was

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Speaker 2: seventy seven when I moved to DC, and by night

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Speaker 2: the end of seventy nine started, things just started to really,

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Speaker 6: between when that was happening before things started to pop again,

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Speaker 6: because there wasn't social media, so it's not like you're

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Speaker 2: It had never crossed my mind that that's when he

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Speaker 4: Because you are we all know that hoody right now?

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Speaker 2: it doesn't it has no choice. It always works itself out,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm glad you brought up mister Beverly.

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Speaker 4: The way, Yeah should Yeah, why do you think that is?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I was doing radio in Detroit in DC.

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Speaker 2: then for me, it gave me, you know, it put

435
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 2: you in every nook and cranny of this country. Man.

436
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: Just you know, I'm just grateful for that. I'm just

437
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: so glad that I did that.

438
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 5: You know, i'd asked did you feel the support at first?

439
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 6: And the reason why with from your people for real,

440
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 6: because from the outside looking in, it does feel like that.

441
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 6: But I know a lot of times people celebrate people

442
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 6: and things after the fact, and being here at the

443
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 6: Breakfast Club and coming from a non black outlet always

444
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 6: say that. I feel like people don't appreciate the Breakfast

445
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 6: Club the way that they should right now, and it's

446
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 6: unfortunate to see because you know, you've lived this in

447
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 6: real time and you had that support. I just think

448
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 6: that we, I mean, we do a lot, but I

449
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 6: think it would be the conversation around breakfast Club amongst us.

450
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 6: I just feel like should be different sometimes get I

451
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 6: think breakfast club gets the flowers. But I think on

452
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 6: the other hand, I don't think people understand what's happening

453
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 6: as it's happening.

454
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think hate coming with I mean, you got

455
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: you got both always to have people that that's something

456
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: negative to say, That's just like I.

457
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 6: Just wonder what it felt like to have the support

458
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 6: and like how that helped you to further what you

459
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 6: were doing.

460
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 5: Just show why.

461
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 4: Knocking knocking down all these women, listening to all these

462
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 4: you know.

463
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: Back in the day, man, bro, I was old early.

464
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm telling you seriously, because we were married, me and my wife. Man,

465
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: we we were high school sweethearts. Yeah, married at nineteen,

466
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: had our first child one year or two days later.

467
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: We all got I mean like, I never even lived

468
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: a college life, the campus life, oh wow, you know.

469
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: I mean I went to school, but man, I had

470
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: a house with a wife and kid at home, you know,

471
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: so I never So that's why I was old early, man.

472
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: But Jimmy Javan, Terry Lewis, we always they always say

473
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: this that that had everything to do with my success

474
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: because you had your base set so early. Man. So

475
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: we're still hat you know, we're twenty nine, thirty years old,

476
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: still trying to look for what you got. You know,

477
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: you got it, man, You've had it for ten years

478
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: at that point, you know. So yeah, So it was

479
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: always solid like that for me. But the support of

480
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: the people of Man people have always given me mad love.

481
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, that's all I've ever known. And it's

482
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: just the most consistent thing that I've ever experienced in life. Man.

483
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: Just the what my fan base gives me, it's just amazing. Man.

484
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 8: Is that why you're still so passionate about radio today. Yeah,

485
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 8: casting and people hearing your voice because you've always been connected.

486
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: To the people, always, always, you know, and it reminds me.

487
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: I said this at Frankie's funeral, frank Beverly's funeral, that

488
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: because you know how people loved him. I said, you

489
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: don't get love like that unless you give love like that.

490
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: You got to give it first, and that's why it gets.

491
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people feel for me. You know,

492
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: I love people, man, I just I love people. Man.

493
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: They've just been good to me. You know, it really

494
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: has been all my life, you know.

495
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: To give you a platform that became essential to black culture.

496
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: Was there a moment on Video Soul where you felt like,

497
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: this isn't just entertainment, We're documenting our culture.

498
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: And really, no, not not when I was doing it, man.

499
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's like to me, I think that you know,

500
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: whatever it is that you do, you're just doing it.

501
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: When you're doing it. It's it's a line in Elton

502
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: Johnsaw a rocket Man that I love so much when

503
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: he says, and all the science I don't understand is

504
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: just my job five days a week a rocket man,

505
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, it's like I'm an astronaut. People look like, wow,

506
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: this is just an astro man. And that's just what

507
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: I do. Man, That's just my job man, you know,

508
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: And and that's why I feel like when you're doing

509
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: what you do, you know, now all these years later,

510
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: you look back because people make you look back and

511
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: see the importance of it, and uh, it's it's it's

512
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: it's mind blowing because I know I didn't have those

513
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: thoughts when I was doing it. Man, I was just

514
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: going to work.

515
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: To do between this generation. Now in generation, we watched

516
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: y'all make history. Y'all didn't know y'all would make a history.

517
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: So now we understand we're in history in no time.

518
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and y'all are, man. I mean, what

519
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: y'all doing is amazing man, you know. I mean the

520
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: platform that you have, the reach that you have. You know,

521
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: I never had that in radio and my show was

522
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: always low. It did come to me once about syndicating it,

523
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: but the problem for me was, well we go back

524
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: to music. I said, well, what happens if I'm on

525
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: this particular station. I know they're all slows adult contemporaries.

526
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Just you know, it's Kim And you know what happens

527
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: when I play Tupac. Well, we covered a Tupac song.

528
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: You can talk about Tupac because everybody knows them, but

529
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: we'll cover that with a Luther song. See, you have

530
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: no interest in that, you know. It's the whole experience

531
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: or it's nothing.

532
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: That's why does what she does. It doesn't change for

533
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: nobody doesn't care what market it is, what area she's whatever.

534
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: That what you get on that breakroag club is what

535
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: you're getting.

536
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: I love that, man, That's where it should be. You know,

537
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: you want the whole experience. This is you know, what

538
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: you're presenting. This is who you are. I can't do

539
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: a moderated version of me, you know, no, you know.

540
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: And then plus for me, I felt like the only

541
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: reason to do it was for money. I was okay,

542
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: you know, well two reasons. Money and then for to

543
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: further your brand, you know. And it's like, man, BT

544
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: gave me that in the way radio could never give

545
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: it to me. You know, you put me in every

546
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: nook and cranny of this country. I don't need it

547
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: for that. I just I'm not going to compromise on

548
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: me on who I am.

549
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: You talk about owning your brand and owning the podcast,

550
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: because that's very important to you. At any point, do

551
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: you think about owning your own radio station because you

552
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: were programming stations, you were making the station millions millions?

553
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: Do you think about, you know, what I can do

554
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: this myself? Yeah, I did think about it. I mean,

555
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: we can go back a whole bunch of years where

556
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I had conversations with people about doing that. Now not

557
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: so much. You know, a lot of local radio stations

558
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: are struggling. It's not the kind of you know, the

559
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: dollar is not the same, you know, as you know,

560
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: I mean that money, the advertising dollar, A lot of

561
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: it's gone to the internet, you know, And so I

562
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: don't know that I would want to do that. I see,

563
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, watch how they cut staffs and stuff. Man,

564
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: It's just you know, I.

565
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: Don't know moms and exist.

566
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah right, you gotta exactly exactly.

567
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 7: Man, you talk about brand.

568
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: You look amazing for your age right now, like you

569
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: like you in your thirties and forties.

570
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: When your wife got to watch out, Donnie, get the flirting,

571
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: Donnie to keep trying to take me down on the road.

572
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: Amazing. Continue.

573
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 7: I'm a married man now, I got six kids.

574
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: Don't let him play with you.

575
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: But what I was, what I was saying, you know,

576
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: did you focus on brand to make sure, Like I.

577
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 7: Gotta stay in shape, I gotta eat right.

578
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure because you look at a lot

579
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: of people, they get older, they get bigger, Yeah, got

580
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: of shape, they look bad.

581
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: Was that part of the brand, like I gotta look

582
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: this way.

583
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: For well yeah, But more importantly, it's just a lifestyle.

584
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: It's like important for me to live, you know that

585
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: I want to be healthy. One of my best friends

586
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: in Detroit, my best friend period, really was a guy

587
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: named Lim Barney. Lim was a cornerback for the Detroit

588
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: Lions Hall of Fame. Man, look him up. Man, dude

589
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 2: was a beast, man, I mean amazing. And I used

590
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: to work out with Lim. You know, I remember getting

591
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: ready for camp with him, and man, I just I

592
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: learned discipline from Lim, you know, just to stay in shape, man,

593
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: to give your body an hour a day or whatever.

594
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: You know.

595
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: And but you know, Lim also tried to talk me

596
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: into trying out for the Lions. He's like, man, he

597
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: should try out. This is the hardest part, Man, he

598
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: should try out. Man. First day of camp, I went

599
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: out there and saw them refrigerators walking around there. Man,

600
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: these boys ain't never getting their hands on me.

601
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: You want to actually you thought of no, no, no,

602
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: I want I just wanted.

603
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: To see but just going to camp with him, but no.

604
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: But he also Marvin Gaye was one of Lim's best friends.

605
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it's Lim. Lim was the

606
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: first the second round pick in nineteen sixty seven for

607
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. The first round pick was Mel far

608
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: running back. It's Mel and Lim that started off. Marvin

609
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: Gaye's what's going on? Yeah, what's happening? Brother? Yeah, like

610
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: solid right on. Yeah, that's them. And Marvin wanted to

611
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: be a running back. And I used see Marvin running

612
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: down the street man with his hoodie on, trying to

613
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: get in shape. And the day he was supposed to

614
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: try out, coach Rick Verzano wouldn't allow it. Said if

615
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: something happened to you out here, I could never live

616
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: it down. And Lim told me, man, Marvin went home

617
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: and cried like a baby. Man.

618
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 4: He was serious about.

619
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to play football.

620
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: Man. He was Marvin.

621
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was oh yeah, this is yeah, he was Marvin, Marvin,

622
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: this is after what's going on, let's get it on.

623
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 5: He thought they was gonna him walk on the field.

624
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: Hey yeah, wow, But Lim told him, He said, Man,

625
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: since I was eight, I was on the football fields

626
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: and you were on that piano. That's why you do

627
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: what you do. And I do what I do.

628
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: Whenever I meet people who met people like Marvin gag.

629
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: You know those are like mythical figures. Does right, Yeah,

630
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: Like what type of person was Marvin?

631
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Man? I'll just tell you this first time I met Marvin.

632
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: I'm riding down the street with Ronnie Banks from the Dramatics, right,

633
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: and he says, man, that's Marvin Man. Let's you want

634
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: to stop and sell us? Yeah? Man, let's so we

635
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: stopped and uh get out Marvin, he says.

636
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: Mother, who was just walking down the street.

637
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: He's walking from his car to his house. Yeah, and

638
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: uh he says. Uh So Ronnie says, hey, Marvin, this

639
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: is Donnie Simpson. Man. He works on w j l

640
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: B at night. He says, yeah, Man, I know I

641
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: listened to him every night. Man. I said, wow, wow,

642
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: how cool is that? And uh so Marvin invites me

643
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: to the studio with him, and he says, hey, man,

644
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: let me give you my number. Call me tomorrow morning

645
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: before you come, because I'll get up in the morning

646
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: and decide to climb Ount Everest and I'll be gone.

647
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: You know.

648
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: And it just I've never forgot that. It was just

649
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: he was you know, some people try to say stuff

650
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: like they're trying to come off eccentric. He's just telling you, dude,

651
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: this is who I am. Man. I get up in

652
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: the morning, I'll be doing something else and I'm gone.

653
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: But I went into the studio with him that night, man,

654
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: and it was just magical, man, for me to four

655
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: people that just blowed me away, that I got a

656
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: chance to spend time in a studio with Marvin Prince,

657
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: sly In, Stevie. Just what what an experience, man, for

658
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: somebody who loves music so much to be there in

659
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: the studio and watch these guys create legends.

660
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: Man, you remember what they recorded.

661
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Stevie was doing good morning evening friends. Oh wow, a

662
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: friendly announcer. Yeah, loves in need of loved. Oh isn't

663
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: that the truth? Well? I don't know. God, I hope

664
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: there's a day that that song does not apply. But

665
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: it's so far every day fits that love's in need

666
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: of love. Today Marvin was actually working on the Originals,

667
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: a group of Motown group. So he's recording someone else,

668
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: but he's singing, showing them how to sing the song.

669
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: And uh, Sly Sly was the weirdest thing. Sly was

670
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: working on three different songs. Sly would say, all right,

671
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: to let you all right, they down a lang ah,

672
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: all right, put up. He laid down one line one

673
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: grown or whatever. All right, now put up with. It

674
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 2: was just so it was. It was different. But Stevie,

675
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: what an experience that was. Man to see Prince Prince

676
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Prince was actually doing Uh, he was in DC. He'd

677
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: performed that night. I went to see him before the

678
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: show and he sent me a note that he said, Man,

679
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I can't see you before the show, but

680
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: I'm going in the studio tonight after the show. Would

681
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: love to have you join me. So me and my

682
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: wife went and Uh, for me, it was just a

683
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: great into the music. My wife was just like, God,

684
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: you see those turquoise pumpsy had on. My God, But.

685
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 8: The fact that he went to the studio after a show.

686
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 8: Prince here a horse, never got tired of performing.

687
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: The dude was always at it. Man, Prince is amazing

688
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: more cool night with Prince. I went to David Bowie

689
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: was on the show on Video Soul. So after the

690
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: show we were talking to David says, man, you know

691
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to Minneapolis this weekend. I said, well, me too.

692
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: I got to go Friday to interview for the Time reunion.

693
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 2: He said, well, you should come to the show. I said,

694
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: I would love to. So I go home. Call my

695
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: boy sugar Ray Leonard. It's just too much name dropping,

696
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: let me know. That's what it was, you know. And

697
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: so I said, I'm going to Minneapolis Friday. Man, you

698
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: want to go? Yeah, man, let's go. So me and

699
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Ray go to the show. Dave set us up at

700
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: the soundboard and uh like twelve seats there or something.

701
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: So as I'm walking to my seat, I bump into

702
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: the lady in front of me, and I said, oh,

703
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: excuse me, ma'am. Prince turned around and said, no, it's

704
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: all right, ninety it's cool. I said, oh, Prince, I'm sorry. Man.

705
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: He said, no, it's cool, man, it's cool. So then

706
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: he turns back around the minute the lady says, man, look,

707
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm having a party to night at Paisley Park. Man,

708
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: you and Ray ought to come. I said, all right, cool,

709
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: we'll come. So we went there. Man, it was like

710
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: a dozen people, man, a Prince party. It was me

711
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: and Ray, David boy In, two or three of his

712
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: room bandmates, Cat Princess Dancer, who later claimed that he

713
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: had his baby. Ah wow, my producer Jeff Newman, just

714
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: two three other people. Man, it was but it was

715
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: the coolest night. And he played the Black Album that night,

716
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: and it was notorious because it had not been released.

717
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: And so I told her and I said, man, god, Prince,

718
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: you released this. Man, this is such a groove. Man.

719
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: I run into him again, maybe two years later, and

720
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: he says, you know you're the reason I didn't release

721
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: the Black album, don't you. I said, what do you mean?

722
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: He said, you know what you said that night at

723
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: Paisley Park. You said this is such a groove. And

724
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: I was about so much more than that. Wow, oh

725
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: d And then and so now let's fast forward another

726
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: six months. So I'm thinking about it. I'm going damn.

727
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: I wish I would have thought to tell him. Man,

728
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: all I hear is groove. I don't hear lyrics. You know,

729
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: that's really it's a struggle for me to hear lyrics

730
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: unless I'm going through something, then you everything because you're

731
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: looking for answers. You know.

732
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: That's so interesting becase they always talk about the Black Album,

733
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: and I thought it was an intention. I thought he

734
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: just wanted to record something and not put it out.

735
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: He had intentions to put it up.

736
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well eventually he did. But I got a

737
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: copy of it. This is cool, This is so cool.

738
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: Donnie Osman sent me a copy of the Black Album.

739
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: It was when it didn't exist them a video sold

740
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: with me. We were talking about it. Next day or two,

741
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 2: I get it a package at home from Dottie Osk.

742
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I said, how can somebody this white in Utah send

743
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: me something this freaking cool? It's the Black Album from

744
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Donny Osmen.

745
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: I want to ask you.

746
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: A question, right, what's the biggest mistake new radio and

747
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: TV hosts make when they're trying to find their voice?

748
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: Wow, using someone else's voice and not theirs? I think,

749
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, I think that it's inevitable when you come

750
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: into this, that you come in emulating styles that you like.

751
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: People that do good radio do good TV. I get that,

752
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: but eventually you have to find yours. You have to

753
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: find your voice, you know who you are, because well,

754
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: for me, it took I was doing radio for twelve

755
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: years before I got to that. When that morning came

756
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: and man, I was like, Wow, I'm not Teddy Richards

757
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: c KLW anymore. I'm not doing it. You know, I'm

758
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: not Jay Roberts Night Flight ninety six. You know, I'm

759
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: Donnie Simpson. And when you get to that point, man,

760
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: that's when it gets good, bro, you know, because you're

761
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: not trying to do anything, You're just doing you. And

762
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: that's the thing that people connect with, you know. It's

763
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: like I've always felt this that there were a thousand

764
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: people out there waiting to take my job. Five hundred

765
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: of them are just as good as I am. The

766
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: other five hundred are better. The only thing I can

767
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: beat them all at is being me. You can't beat

768
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: me doing that, man. So that's and that's what people

769
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: connect to. They connect to what's real when they feel you,

770
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: you know, that's what gives you longevity. They feel you,

771
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: they know you, and that's the magic. I remember, look

772
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: at Johnny Carson, to me, was just the greatest TV host.

773
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: I look at so many of these guys now they

774
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: use their guests to set up their lines. Johnny, Man,

775
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: this is your time. Johnny was this ultimate setup guy man.

776
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: You know, he was a facilitator. Man, this is your moment,

777
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: do your thing man. And it's something that I learned

778
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: from Johnny Carson, not personally never met Johnny got close

779
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: mad Ed McMahon. But Johnny talked about this something that

780
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: he got from the legendary Jack Benny, and it was this,

781
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: he said, Jack Benny told him that it doesn't matter

782
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: who has the line. It only matters that it's on

783
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: your show, because tomorrow all they're going to say is

784
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 2: did you see Jack Benny last night? Right? And that's

785
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: so important man. You know that only matters this on

786
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 2: your show. So you got to let other people shine man,

787
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, And so it would be that to be you,

788
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: and you know, to let others shine around. Use enough

789
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: life for everybody, you know.

790
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: Radio and media, right, because you're talking about it now,

791
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 3: I want to expound on it. It used to be about

792
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: personality connection, but now it's about virality, right, and just

793
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: garnering attention by any means. Where do you think the

794
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: industry lost its way.

795
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: Or do you think is just evolve it?

796
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: Wow? I don't know exactly when it lost its way,

797
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: but for me, you know, I mean, this issue of

798
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: personality is so important that I was taught from the

799
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: very beginning that we all get the same records, we

800
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: all get the same music. The only thing that's different

801
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: is the presenter is how it's presented, you know. And

802
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: I think that radio has lost its way in that

803
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: arena that you know, well a couple of things for

804
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: me radio. I had this There was a seminar with

805
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: programmers from all around the country, about two hundred programmers

806
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: one day, and they asked me to be there to interview.

807
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: They wanted to interview me in front of it was like,

808
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: why would they want me? I'm like the most anti

809
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: programming guy ever. Would they want to hear from me?

810
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: And I was kind of nervous about it. And then

811
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: that morning on the way there, I just said, many, man,

812
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: do you you know whatever that is? Just whatever they asked,

813
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: just tell them truth. So we got to talking about it, man,

814
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: and at one point and this became the headline from

815
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: this thing. It was all over the internet. Donnie Simpson

816
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: says radio has lost its balls, because that's what I said.

817
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: I said, you know, the radio is always a progressive

818
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: form of broadcasting. You know, we pushed the envelope. We

819
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: just push it. We licked it sometimes, you know. And

820
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he got very conservative. People got

821
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: scared of losing their jobs, you know, not just talent,

822
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: but uh, management, people, programmers, everybody. It's it's just like that, Yeah,

823
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: just you lost your balls. Man. You can't you know,

824
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: you can't do this afraid. You know, yeah, you gotta

825
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: be progressive. Man. That's the way i've and that's the

826
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: way I feel about radio now that it's not as

827
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: aggressive as it used to be. I missed that. I

828
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: was talking about my radio station in particular at that

829
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: time that I said, I walk in the station, man,

830
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: I said, I hear more music at the dentist office.

831
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: When I walk in. It's so it's like a hell

832
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: I walk It's like, is this are we doing accounting? Now?

833
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: What is this? You know? Man? I'm sorry, but it's

834
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: old school for me. When you walk into a radio station,

835
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: it used to be a special place. Man. You walk in,

836
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: you hare the music blast. It was a vibe. Man.

837
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: It was just magical, just magical, man, And that's what

838
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: it should be, you know, you know, for me, man,

839
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 2: like when I would do my show, Like I would

840
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: not listen to music all day when this was leader,

841
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: When I was doing afternoons by design, I wouldn't hear

842
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: any music. Just if I listened to radio would be

843
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: a talk show or whatever. Because when three o'clock hit, Man,

844
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: when I sit down in that seat, man and put

845
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: those headphones on, Man, it's the first time I heard

846
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: music that day. Oh my god, it's just magical. Man,

847
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: It's like time to go. This is what I lived for.

848
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: You know, I think that programmers had taken control from talent,

849
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: which is that's that's the thing that I hate most man.

850
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: You know, like for me, one of the biggest moments

851
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: of my career, Man, I broke Benny in the Jets

852
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: by Elton John in Detroit. You know, I loved Elton.

853
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: My boy had turned me on to Elton. Sit there

854
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: every night, man, I was listening. God, I love this

855
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: song Ben in the Jets, Man, And but I was

856
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: scared to play it because Elton. Black folks didn't know Elton. Finally,

857
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: after week of that fear, I said, Man, Man, I'm

858
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: playing it. I went on and played it that night.

859
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: I played it twice because the phones were jumping off

860
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: the hook. From the first time I played it, I've

861
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: never seen anything like it before nor since. Man, it

862
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: was amazing. The next more morning, the morning DJ calls me, Donnie,

863
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: what's this song you played last night? Jenny and the

864
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: Nets or something. Man, you gotta bring that thing down here. Man,

865
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: I get in the car take it down to him

866
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: so he can play it. In two days, Elton is

867
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: on the phone from London called the radio station. What

868
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: is this? I hear Benn in the jets is breaking black?

869
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: And it was Yeah. Six months later, he comes to

870
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Detroit to hold a press conference to present me with

871
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: a gold record for this thing. It became his biggest

872
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: selling single ever until he redid Candle in the Wind

873
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: for Lady Die And but he wasn't in town for

874
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: a cops. He came there for that reason. That's how

875
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: big this was. And it was just amazing to me, man,

876
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: and it was important to him. He always wanted arm

877
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: he always wanted the black market. Bring all that up

878
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: to say this that it saddens me greatly that there

879
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: are young people out there now with great ears man

880
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: to hear this great music and can't play it. They

881
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: can't create a moment like that. Being in the JETSA

882
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: was for me because they're not allowed. Everything's programmed for

883
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: They can tell you today what they're gonna play next

884
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: Monday at three. You know, man, that's not radio man.

885
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: You know, I always look out the window kind of guy.

886
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: You know, I want to feel the day. I would

887
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: get out go walk around during a break. I literally

888
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: would go out sidely. I need to feel the day.

889
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: You know.

890
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: I know that sounds kind of hokey to some people. True, man, Yeah,

891
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: Like it's like you know, you lock your fingers and

892
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: hold it right exactly, Like everything is too Dada driven

893
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: that right, Like everything.

894
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 2: Is about Daddy. Go feel the motherfucking days, no question,

895
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: brou no question.

896
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: We used to go out and see what the DJ

897
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: and the club is playing and bring it back to radio.

898
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: This was the biggest record last night, and break it

899
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: to an audience that never heard it before. Go to

900
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: another market and hear something. But like you said, now,

901
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: it's it's more of an algorithm. What song is, what

902
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: do we get more calls for? And it's it's if

903
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: some in our listeners know, they'd be like, I'm tired

904
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: of hearing I'm tired of that.

905
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: To be that part of your job as a DJ. Man,

906
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: I'm solutely telling you or something, and they blame him.

907
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: They'd be like, what DJ, But they know I think

908
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: they're playing with it too.

909
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: They know that.

910
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: Ain't that You know that ain't.

911
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: Don't In that seminar that I told you, I spoke

912
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: before all the programmers, man a one point I got.

913
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: I just yelled, let my people go. Let them go.

914
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: You know, really, man, you got to let let creative

915
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: people create, right, let them do what they do, you know,

916
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: I mean you, man, it's a whole different thing that

917
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: you will get when you control it. And uh as

918
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: as opposed to having someone it's a different show if

919
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm presenting me, you know, if I have the freedom

920
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: to be me and to do but if you know, man,

921
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: I remember one stretch when I first moved to DC

922
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 2: and we had it's the only time I ever worked

923
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: under control of a program director, and man, it was crazy.

924
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: He would come in with his stop watch, gul that's

925
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: eighteen seconds. You know, you're only allowed to speak for

926
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds. And eventually I told him, man, I'm talking

927
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: to your watch. You know, I'm not talking to the

928
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: people I'm talking to your watch man. So when I

929
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: started programming, Man, Man, I'm telling you could talk to

930
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: any of the jocks that ever worked for me. Man,

931
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: they never got a call from me on the hot.

932
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: If they got a call from me, it was Man,

933
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: what's up? Man? Talked to you in a while? Man,

934
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: You good? Yeah? Kids good? Yeah? All right? All right Man,

935
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 2: love you bro later. You know that it was never

936
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: correcting you on anything. Man, you already knew it was bad.

937
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: You did it, canack And you just said about talking

938
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: to the watch. The reason I think that's so dope

939
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: is because that program director wasn't even listening to the

940
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: content that was coming out of your mouth. I want

941
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: to know what the content good. If the content is good,

942
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: do your thing. Yeah, I say it all the time.

943
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, stop listening for time, Listen for the content.

944
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Good content is just

945
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: as good as music. Man. If you're saying something that's

946
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: powerful to people, you know, you know, I think about

947
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: you sharing you know, your struggles and stuff. Man, what

948
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: what that means to people?

949
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: You know?

950
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: How do you put that on a watch? Man? You

951
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: know you're talking about it, You're helping people. You're saving lives, man,

952
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: you know, for real, man, it's uh, you know, it

953
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: can't be it can't be all data driven, you know,

954
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's just like to me, the new

955
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: thing ai. You know, it's like you better embrace it

956
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: because it's here, this is happening, this is real, So

957
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: you better figure out how to use it. But don't

958
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: let it use you. You know, you got to use it.

959
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: And that's the way I look at all data. Man.

960
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: It's like it's okay, it's input, but it can't dictate,

961
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's just input. It's just another tool. That's

962
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: the only way to look at it. You have to

963
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: look at all that stuff like that, you know.

964
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 4: And how do you pivot? How did you pivot?

965
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: When music change?

966
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 4: Right?

967
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: A lot of jock's a lot of radio stations. When

968
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: they get older, they stop looking to the music like you.

969
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Temptations, to Frankie Beverly, to Tupac. How

970
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: did you know to pivot and say this is the

971
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: new type of music and have your ears open for

972
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: all types of music?

973
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Well, man, I'm that's just makeup, bro, That's who I am.

974
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: You know, it's I love music. Period. I don't care

975
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: what it is. I listen everything. Man, when I'm on

976
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: the golf course every day. Man, I have my phone

977
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: on random and I'm telling you it could play Johnny Cash,

978
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: Vladimir Horwitz, Mahelia Jackson, Biggie Sizza, and it all makes

979
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: sense to me. You know, it's so for me. It's

980
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: I always felt this that I never wanted to be

981
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: that guy that' said. Man, they don't make music like

982
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: they used to. First of all, it's true they don't.

983
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: They never have and they never will. It's always changing.

984
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: You know, the perfect example for me, Quincy Jones is

985
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: back on the Block album. You know, man, I sit down.

986
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: When I first got it, I talked to La Reid.

987
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: He had the same experience. I said, here, I'm expecting

988
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: old jazzy Quincy, Gulamataria or whatever, you know. Put it on.

989
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: First thing I hear is iced tea. Let me kick

990
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: my credentials. Young player bred in south central LA. Home

991
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: with a body bag you want to die, wear the

992
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: wrong color. Rag. I used to walk in stores and yell,

993
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: lay down you flinching inch eight case pray down. I

994
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: was like, whoa, what I mean? It just it took

995
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: me forty minutes to get through that song. Man. Through

996
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: the first song, I kept backing it up, couldn't believe

997
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: what I was hearing. But the point I'm trying to

998
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: make is that Quincy understood what you're talking about. The

999
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: change that all the beatbox thing. Oh see music without instruments? Okay,

1000
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: did we be doing it so? But the beat boxes

1001
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Bobby McFerrin and takes six. It's like,

1002
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: all right, So again that comes up with what I'm

1003
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: talking just using whatever it is it's new, to make

1004
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: it fit what you do, you know, And that was

1005
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: just such a lesson to be That album is just

1006
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: so amazing that people that don't know it. It's like

1007
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: a black music history lesson. You should check it out.

1008
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: They met, We did a special with Berry White for

1009
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: that album for video soul Man and uh with Quincy.

1010
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: Everybody was there at his house. Man that was on

1011
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: the album, Ray, Charles, Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Big Daddy Kane,

1012
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: a twelve year old Tevin Campbell, coom O d.

1013
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1014
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 2: It was unbelieved, Well, you know, it's Quincy Man Quincy,

1015
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 2: but so so for me that that's that defines me. Man.

1016
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: Just I don't care what it is, you know, I

1017
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: just love music. Man, I want to hear everything. What

1018
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: are you doing? You know, I'm always asking my kids,

1019
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: my grandkids, man, what do you I have a feature

1020
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, on UH, I have a platform.

1021
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 2: Well this is going back to what we're talking about

1022
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: at the beginning, by owning your own stuff. Discovered dot

1023
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: tv right that I'm part owner of, and on that

1024
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: we have a feature that I created called play Something

1025
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: for Me. And and the trigger for that for me

1026
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 2: was you remember these two young brothers that went viral

1027
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: like three four years ago listening to Phil Collins in

1028
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: the air tonight for the first time. I don't know

1029
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: if you ever saw it. And when the drums going

1030
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: and they were, oh my god, they were freaking out,

1031
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, you know what. I love that

1032
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: and I love playing music for people and uh, but

1033
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: to see their natural reaction to stuff that they haven't

1034
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: heard before. So all of my guests on the podcast,

1035
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: I have to do a segment of play something for Me.

1036
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: The first one was Big Daddy Kane and Man, I

1037
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: played something for Caine and UH, I played this song

1038
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: by eld Barge. That's so serenading you. It's so smooth man.

1039
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: So I put it on. It was and this was

1040
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 2: exactly what I envisioned it to be because he's scenario.

1041
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: You know, we both groove unto it. He starts group,

1042
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 2: He's like, man, like this, man, what is this? Just wait, man,

1043
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: just wait for the chorus. Man. You hear the background vocals,

1044
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: you'll know Helda bars Man. I love Elder bars Man.

1045
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: Why you play this? I say, because it's smooth man,

1046
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: you don't this is the smooth operator baby. And then

1047
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: he plays something for me and he played a real

1048
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: cool so he played Marvin Gaye piece of Clay and

1049
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: he was talking about how today everybody wants to mold

1050
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: someone into what they want them to be, into their

1051
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: own pieces. You want to mold their own piece of clay,

1052
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: which is you. And just wow, listen, I didn't go

1053
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: that deep. I just went with groove. But that song

1054
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: discovered dot TV. That feature, Man, it's really cool. I

1055
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: love that.

1056
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 6: How are you finding like your new music now? Like?

1057
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 5: Are you listening to radio? Is it Pandora?

1058
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: Like?

1059
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 5: What's feeding you now?

1060
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 6: Because I saw a list of your like top music

1061
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 6: pics for people to listen to and Dochi was on

1062
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 6: there I and I'm like, or is it social media

1063
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 6: that you're like using as kind of like and r like, well,

1064
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 6: how do you find music today?

1065
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: Well? From asking my kids, grandkids from for her was

1066
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: just on the Grammys. She just blew me off. Was like, man,

1067
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: who was his sister? She she killed me. She I

1068
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: thought she was just amazing to me. So I download

1069
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: the album masks like, oh my god, I love her.

1070
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: The same thing happened to me. Were like the first

1071
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: time I saw Lady Gaga, you know, it was on

1072
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: the Grammys, and I'll never forget it. Because she comes

1073
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: out and say, okay, all let's make up up and

1074
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: get up and all this stuff's boy George, you know whatever,

1075
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: that's cool. And then she sits down on the piano.

1076
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: She starts singing, I go damn, there's a voice there too.

1077
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: Right then she gets to this dramatic passage in the song.

1078
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: She reaches behind her and grabs a champagne bottle and

1079
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: crashes across the piano and said, damn, I'm in love.

1080
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: Who is this that dares to be this different? You know?

1081
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: I love different? You know, I just do. I mean,

1082
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: I just meet again. I talked Jimy and Terror all

1083
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: the time because those are my boys. But we had

1084
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: this conversation about that that for us, different is the

1085
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: norm because we've always been around music. Man. She George

1086
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: clings my friend. You know, Man, I know different, you know,

1087
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: and I'm okay with it. Man. My son always tells

1088
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: people like when he was fourteen, he came home, I

1089
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: forget the rapper that it inspire him, but he had

1090
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: died his hair orange at fourteen. He said, Man, I

1091
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: walked in and my dad said, I like it. Hey, man,

1092
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: as you're here, you know, express yourself.

1093
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: Man, just you know, I got a couple more ques.

1094
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 8: Is the journalism right? What was your most challenging interview?

1095
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a great question. The most challenging. Well, I'll

1096
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: give you two. And they were challenging, but they shouldn't

1097
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: have been. They were challenging only because I was afraid.

1098
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: And that was Maya Angelou and doctor Cornell West. And

1099
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: it's amazing. It's interesting that they're both word masters, and

1100
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: I think that's what intimidated me. They're just so brilliant

1101
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: and I just I dreaded today. I just felt intimidated,

1102
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: like almost to the point of just not feeling worthy

1103
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: of talking to these people. You know, I'm telling you,

1104
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 2: I just did not. I was not looking forward to it.

1105
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: Then doctor West comes in walks into the student brother Simpson.

1106
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: But Donald's knees, Man, what for? You wouldn't be no

1107
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: b e T what I mean? I was like, whoa?

1108
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: You know, it was just immediately all of that was gone,

1109
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: All of it was gone. He was so cool. He

1110
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: reminded me about my oldest brother Calvin, same kind of guy,

1111
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: looks just and uh. And then the same thing with Maya.

1112
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: She can get down her knees and do all the

1113
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: bowing and all that stuff. But uh, it was just

1114
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: so cool and so sweet, and it's just like, Wow,

1115
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: you had nothing to be afraid of, you know.

1116
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 5: But you know, I guess you realize they want to

1117
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 5: meet you too, so it's like.

1118
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: That's always a trip, ain't it. Know y'all experience that too.

1119
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: It's like, man, you know, Wow, you're excited to meet me. Wow?

1120
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: Did people ever tell you stay in your lane because

1121
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: of those interviews? Like you shouldn't be an interviewing, No

1122
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: Maya angelan.

1123
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 2: Coin out, No, no, no, I never heard that. No,

1124
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: but I did hear that line stay in your lane

1125
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: when we were in those conversations about syndication, and because

1126
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: they were saying, man, like, you know we have in

1127
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: syndication if you're on these different stations like we have

1128
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: because once the conglomerate took so took over. You know,

1129
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: well we have a station that plays hip hop, we

1130
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: have a station that does smooth R and B. You know,

1131
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: so you need to stay in your lane. I said, man,

1132
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm old school man. I was taught

1133
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: that this was broadcasting, not narrow casting, right. You know,

1134
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: see in my lane, I drive like this, man, I'm

1135
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: all I play everything, man, I mean seriously. On the air,

1136
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: I played BB King, Jimi Hendrix, Garth Brooks, I play

1137
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: some everything, play something Garth Brooks. Man, it's all in

1138
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: setup because you wouldn't expect a black station to play Garth, right.

1139
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: But I didn't know who he was. But I'm white.

1140
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't. I don't mean to say I

1141
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: know who. I didn't know his music. So but I'm curious.

1142
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: And so one night I went to the store when

1143
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: you had to buy records, went to Tower and got a

1144
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: couple of his albums. Listen to it. Next morning, I

1145
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: go on the show and by then I given up

1146
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: programming of Kiss in DC, and so I said, Man,

1147
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to know this guy, Garth Brooks, I said,

1148
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: because I know. I look at the charts. He's got

1149
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: six albums on the left hand side of the chart,

1150
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: meaning top fifty. Behind them little pyramids denoting a million

1151
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: in sales behind that numbers twelve six eight. You know,

1152
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: it's like sixty seven million in cells on the chart

1153
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: right now. I need to know who this is. So

1154
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: I went and got a couple of owls. Man, listen, Man,

1155
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: I love this dude. Just gonna play a little sample

1156
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: of quick things for you, just to show you who

1157
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: he is. So I do a little snippets of three songs. Man,

1158
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: The whole thing takes me five minutes something like that,

1159
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: you know. Man. After the show, program director, who was

1160
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: used to be my assistant now she's a programmer, comes

1161
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: to me, Donnie, why would you play Garth Brooks? I said, Barbara,

1162
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: you don't talk to me about music, but why would you?

1163
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: We don't have this conversation. You don't talk to me

1164
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: about my music. And next thing, I know that the

1165
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: general manager calls me once we come down his office.

1166
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: I go down there. He says, Donnie, you know Barber

1167
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: has a problem with he playing Garth Brooks. Why would you?

1168
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: I said, skip? With all due respect, man, y'all do

1169
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: not talk to me about music. See you. I was gone.

1170
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: Next morning, front page of the Style section in the

1171
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: Washington Post has a three quarter page article on Garth Brooks.

1172
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: First paragraph, it starts out with how big is Garth Brooks?

1173
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 2: He crossed over to the Donnie Simpsons show yesterday. That's right, man, right,

1174
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: so you know, so he goes back to what I

1175
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: was saying early about not being scared, being aggressive. Do

1176
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: what you do do radio man, people. You know I

1177
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: always felt like this, man, if one song is going

1178
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: to end my career, I shouldn't have been doing this anyway.

1179
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: That's true. You know, I ain't scared of that man.

1180
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: Not scared of that man. Do what you do, Do

1181
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: what you do, don't no fear man, be creative.

1182
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 4: I got a couple more questions. You always radiate.

1183
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: Joy, right, but you carry a lot of joy, especially

1184
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: on air. But joy is heavy work. So what's something

1185
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: the public has never understood about? What it takes to

1186
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 3: be that consistent, joyful presence all of these years.

1187
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, for me, I think, man, it probably goes

1188
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: back to my beginning man, And what I told you

1189
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: was my first ambition in life is to be a

1190
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: Baptist minister. It's the joy of the Lord that I feel,

1191
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's the joy that the richest me

1192
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: every day.

1193
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 4: Man.

1194
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean to get too preachy.

1195
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: But it is.

1196
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: And but what about when you down just the moments happened? Yeah,

1197
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: but you know, even when I'm in that, man, I

1198
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: still know that, as Frankie said, life always works itself out.

1199
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: It has no choice. And you know, and I'm not

1200
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: gonna lie the times when all this advice you've given

1201
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: that you need yourself. It's like, God, I need to

1202
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: remember that myself because I'm struggling here right now. You know,

1203
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: you have those moments, man, but tomorrow always comes, man.

1204
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: And you know it's like even in marriage, man, we

1205
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: you know there always struggles, but always looked at it

1206
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: like a tennis match. You know that you can lose

1207
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: a game and not lose the set. You lose a

1208
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: set and not lose the match. You know, So it's

1209
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: about that final score, man, And so you know I've

1210
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: stuck through it through the years. Man, Me and my

1211
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: wife have been together now for fifty two years. It's

1212
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: not been easy, you know, Thank you, bro. And it's

1213
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: not all been easy, you know, but it's you know,

1214
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna give you one more story, man. Just

1215
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: the day we did the Quincy Jones special for Back

1216
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: on the Block, I get lost trying to get to

1217
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: Quincy's house. I see this elderly white.

1218
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 7: Guy navigation back then, guys.

1219
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: But I see this white guy walking down the street

1220
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: for exercise, and I stopped him this excuse me, Can

1221
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: you tell me how to Do you know where Quincy

1222
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: Jones lives? Yeah? Sure, man. You should have seen the

1223
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: smile on this guy's face. It was so radiant that

1224
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: I knew it could only come from one place, you know.

1225
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: And he says, go up two blocks. It was Tony Curtis,

1226
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: legendary actor Tony Curtis man, and I just I never

1227
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: forgot his I see it just as clearly right now.

1228
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: And for me, I always felt that that's what I

1229
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: want people to see in me when they see me.

1230
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: I want you to see that joy, you know, And

1231
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't want to think about it

1232
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: too much. I think it's just who you are. It's

1233
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: the makeup, man, it's I'm always upbeat, just you know,

1234
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: I was. You don't ready write a book my story

1235
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: for ten years we're talking about this, but the guy

1236
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: was working with said we should call it silver Linings

1237
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: because every story you tell ends there with a silver lining.

1238
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: And it's true. That's how I feel. I always see

1239
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: good and stuff, man, It's always something, you know, Like

1240
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: for me, I always felt like there's no such thing

1241
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: as a bad experience. If the word experience is attached

1242
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: to it, then it's good. You know, you learn something

1243
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: from it, you know. That's the way I feel.

1244
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: Man, How do you want your legacy taught to the

1245
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: next generation of wholes broadcast black?

1246
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 4: What's the headline of Donnie Simpson's store?

1247
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: Wow? He did him? You know, he did his thing.

1248
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: You should do yours, you know. Just never trying to

1249
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: be anybody else. I never I've never met the band

1250
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to be, you know, never have man, you know,

1251
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: and I've met some great people, from Bob Johnson to

1252
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. I never wanted to be any of them.

1253
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm the only person I ever wanted to be, you know.

1254
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: I remember this guy was up playing golf one day.

1255
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: I was with this older guy and these kids were

1256
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: in the playground next to the golf course and I

1257
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: hit my ball over there, and so I'm over there

1258
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: and it's this kid, it's about six seven years old,

1259
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: and he says, Hi, mister, I know you wish you

1260
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: were Tiger Woods. I said, no, I like who I am.

1261
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: And the guy I was playing with said, that is

1262
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: just the greatest response I've ever heard of anything. I mean,

1263
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: without hesitation, No, I like who I am. You know,

1264
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't be Tiger, you know, his money, his golf game, whatever. Yeah,

1265
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: I love it, hit ball like him. But you know,

1266
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: I just I'm happy with who I am. You know

1267
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: I am. I always have been. You know, I'm not perfect.

1268
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: We all have faults, you know, but uh, you know,

1269
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: even the bad things that have you know, the stuff

1270
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: in my closet, man, whatever it is, all of it

1271
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: has made me who I am, you know, And I

1272
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: like who I am because even those bad things, man,

1273
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: that you are tests you know, to correct you and

1274
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: to make you. You know, who God wants you to be,

1275
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, And so you know, so I like who

1276
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: I am?

1277
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: Man, What do you tell the next generation of broadcasters,

1278
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: the one that's waking up right now listening to this,

1279
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: is say I want to do this.

1280
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: That if this is what you want to do. First

1281
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: of all, just to know that it's possible, you know

1282
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: that anything can happen, that it's not some pipe dream,

1283
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: that it's real. You know, like I used to take

1284
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 2: my kids with me to everything. Man, my kid's been

1285
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: to Neverland Ranch. You know, they knew Michael and Janet

1286
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: and Prince, everybody, you know. And it was for two reasons.

1287
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: It was by design. One was that if you meet Michael,

1288
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: then you know that he's human. Two is that if

1289
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: you know one, then you must know that you could

1290
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: do that too. It's not magic, it's not you know,

1291
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I don't care who it is. That

1292
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: it's real. I would say that to kids when I

1293
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: spoken to schools that you know that I know parents

1294
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: tell you something. Well, let's you know, I want to

1295
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: be an actor. I want to be a basketball player.

1296
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: You know that's such a full yeh, somebody's gonna do it.

1297
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: There will be the next Denzel Washington, there will be

1298
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: the next Michael Jordan, it may as well be you.

1299
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not dream big? That's what I would

1300
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: say to them, Just dream big man. Just don't be

1301
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 2: afraid of big man. I love people with big eyes. Man,

1302
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, don't be afraid of big man. Whatever that

1303
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 2: big is to you. And it doesn't necessarily mean money.

1304
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: Not everybody keep score like that. You know, Oh, whatever

1305
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: it is, man. So if this is what you want

1306
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 2: to do, then you can go after it. Be relentless,

1307
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: be great, and be you.

1308
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 4: I love it real quick.

1309
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 8: There's so many things that you're known for. So many

1310
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 8: people know you from different things.

1311
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1312
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 5: I didn't study radio, you know what I mean.

1313
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 8: But I studied comedy and that's where I saw you

1314
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 8: on Martin season for episode Knight Saying and Love Jones

1315
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 8: two episodes and then he was on a Jamie Fox

1316
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 8: show in ninety seven. I saw the shows, right, and

1317
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 8: I'm a comedian, so I love those shows that you

1318
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 8: have fun doing those Oh that was like Chris Rock.

1319
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,839
Speaker 2: Oh it was awesome, especially with Chris Rock. And I can't.

1320
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 8: See you at this time, but like my ogs yea,

1321
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 8: and to see you on that show that that's that

1322
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 8: you're sitting in front of me.

1323
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Chris was so brilliant because I mean every

1324
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: day in rehearsal, you know, because you're there for a week,

1325
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: and it was he would do something different, and then

1326
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: they finally tape still Chris is gonna do something totally different,

1327
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: just have you cracking up the whole time. It was

1328
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,480
Speaker 2: just awesome. But for me, it was it was unbelievable

1329
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 2: that they asked me to do that because I used

1330
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: to watch The Love Connection and it's the only time

1331
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: I ever watched the show and win I would love

1332
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: to host that. That would fit me. Well, I could

1333
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 2: do that and never told anybody that, and then I

1334
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: get this call to be the host of The Love

1335
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 2: Jones Connection to do two and two. You know it

1336
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: was it was awesome. But you know what you got

1337
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: to check out now the coolest thing I've done an

1338
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: episode well if last season and now we got a

1339
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,520
Speaker 2: new one for this season. But a little calv.

1340
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 8: I did little too, you did, Yeah, I miss Loretta,

1341
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 8: so I actually go into episode tomorrow.

1342
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 2: But yes, it's awesome. Well I'm Donnie Simpson. That the

1343
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: whole thing. I just would love it. You know, I've

1344
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: been in like three four movies, but I'm always me.

1345
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I want to be somebody else once.

1346
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: I want to have But but it was really cool

1347
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: to see yourself in animation. I never never seen that before,

1348
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: and I hadn't seen the episode until just two weeks

1349
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 2: ago and it's been out a year because I never

1350
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: thought about it. It's like, you know, I just did

1351
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: the voice over. I never thought, like, no, there has

1352
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: to be an image, like it's like wow. And then

1353
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: it was really cool the way they played and you know,

1354
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 2: and it's so raw. It's awesome.

1355
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 5: So now I can say I'm on a project with

1356
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 5: Donnie Simpson.

1357
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 4: That's what's up?

1358
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: Man, that's awesome. I love it. How long have you

1359
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: done comedy?

1360
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 4: Comedy?

1361
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 5: For eleven years?

1362
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: Wow? Comedy? Have you seen Eddie's the documentary?

1363
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 5: Yes?

1364
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 4: Twice?

1365
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: I love it? Man. Awesome. Man, you talk about inspirational man.

1366
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: I wanted him to go deeper just in like maybe

1367
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: just like his personal life. But as far as like

1368
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: how they documented his career and how big he was,

1369
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 3: I thought it was cool, but I still don't think

1370
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 3: they captured how big he actually was.

1371
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you know.

1372
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 5: What, you even captured that though?

1373
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 3: I don't know because like that was real celebrity. This

1374
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: ship we're seeing now in real celebrity. That was real celebrity, man, No.

1375
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: Question, man, just like as big a star as you

1376
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,879
Speaker 2: could be. It's Eddie Murphy man. Not even black this period,

1377
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: period period, but that dude.

1378
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: Before we close out, you got to tell us a

1379
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: Michael story before you before you leave.

1380
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 2: Michael George went to the never layd ranch.

1381
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 4: You didn't hear what he said.

1382
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 8: He said, I just can't say I took the kids

1383
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 8: never Laying.

1384
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 4: It was on rides.

1385
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 3: Bio pit coming out and speaking of celebrity, that's another

1386
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 3: person we be trying to say.

1387
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 4: Stop saying somebody is the new Michael Jackson.

1388
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: There is no such number one man, That's right.

1389
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 4: That dude.

1390
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: Man, when I first met him, he was God. I

1391
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: was sixteen, so Michael would have been fourteen I think,

1392
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: I think that's right, or thirteen or something like that

1393
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: first time I met him. But uh, man, you know,

1394
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: Michael was just he's just a special dude, man. He was.

1395
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 8: Uh.

1396
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: The first time I went to the house, and this

1397
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: was before you own Neverland, this was the Havenhurst House,

1398
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe they had a little cookout for me.

1399
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: There right, And uh so when I got there, man,

1400
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: all these people standing out across the street, I thought

1401
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: it was a bus stop. You're just fans. Wow, it's

1402
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: like that twenty four to seven man, twenty four to

1403
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: seven man people out there. It was just it's just crazy.

1404
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: But Michael, Michael was very, very cool as long as

1405
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: it's a small group. You know, if it gets more

1406
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: than five six seven people, he kind of tightens up,

1407
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: you know. He was just be a little uncomfortable in that.

1408
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: But you know, just me and him or a couple

1409
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: of people, he's, you know, kick it. Just a regular

1410
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 2: dude man, you know, but just brilliant man. And to me,

1411
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 2: I look at people like him and Eddie and you

1412
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: don't get to that level of success without being smart.

1413
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: You know, there ain't no accident. That's not just talent.

1414
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: This just brains. Man. Michael was just the dude was Bally.

1415
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: I knew a guy who used to do lighting for

1416
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: him and he told me, he said, one night, Michael

1417
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: came to him and said, to look, when you know

1418
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: we get to this point in this song, I want

1419
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: you to hit me with this particular light. Told him

1420
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: what light, which light to hit, and the angle to

1421
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: hit him from, and he said, I'm sitting there man, like, man, dude,

1422
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for thirty years. Man told me

1423
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: what to do, he said, But I did it because

1424
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: he's paying me, you know, he said. But it created

1425
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: the exact effect that Michael said that it would, he said,

1426
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: And then I realized he's been doing this for thirty

1427
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: used to Michael, he was like, like Jimmy jam And

1428
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: Terry Lewis told me Prince was.

1429
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 4: That.

1430
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 2: Jimmy says, Man, I was a great piano player. I

1431
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 2: could play. Prince would come in and show me how

1432
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 2: to play my instrument. So I don't care who you

1433
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 2: were he could, I'll play you on your instrument. That's

1434
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson to me. Man. You know, he can look

1435
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: at the reverence which all the dancers looked at him,

1436
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: and this is it. I mean, they're just freaking These

1437
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: are dancers, professional dancers. When Michael does it, it's just

1438
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: and on top of that, he's a singer and a

1439
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: writer and perform and all that. But he can do

1440
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: that part two better than anybody.

1441
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: Man.

1442
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's just.

1443
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 5: Did he have a deep voice for real?

1444
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: That room? Yeah? Man, he talked like Berry right, No, no, no, no, no, no,

1445
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: it was l I remember one day we had he

1446
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 2: had a party here in New York. As a matter

1447
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: of fact, he had just done I think a show

1448
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: show for the UNCF and he has a little small

1449
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 2: party and so we went and it couldn't have been

1450
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 2: but twenty people there. Me and my wife Eliza Minnelli

1451
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: was there, Cindy Lauper, she had just happened with girls

1452
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 2: just want to have fun, Jimmy and Terry and just

1453
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: a few more people. But Michael was upstairs. It was

1454
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: a two story townhouse in the hotel. And so finally

1455
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: Michael comes down after about forty five minutes, and he

1456
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 2: comes in and he says he's with his bodyguard, Chucky

1457
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: the Beasts, and that was his name, d ib Is

1458
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: s E. But he looked like the Beasts because he's

1459
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: like six foot. Ain't always were top hat if you

1460
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: remember that guy. It's very imposing. And Michael walks into

1461
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: the room and he goes he says, God, it's so

1462
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: bright in here, Chucky standing here, and he posied Chucky

1463
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: next to a lamp with the block out the light

1464
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 2: in the room. I was like, damn, this is crazy.

1465
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 2: This is crazy man, a human light sheat now I've

1466
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: seen it all, Man.

1467
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: Dot and we appreciate you.

1468
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 4: Man. I can't wait to read your book.

1469
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: Man, thank you so much for all you've done for us.

1470
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you man, Thank y'all and you too.

1471
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 2: Thank y'all for having me. Man. I really appreciate y'all.

1472
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 5: The show Season two to Donny Simpson Show. It's right,

1473
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 5: Season two of the Donny Simpson Show.

1474
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: That's right, the podcast, check it out, Thank you, check again, man,

1475
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, Man, God, bless y'all.

1476
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 4: Thank you for you. Donny Simpson.

1477
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 7: It's the Breakfast Club.

1478
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 4: Good morning.

1479
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: Hold up every day I wake click your ass up

1480
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club. You're finish for y'all.

1481
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: Done