1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Jeff Wars did you don't check what Jack Warris? Did you? 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Jackuars Drive Time, Ryan Sex steps to John Oh. Actually, 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Happy Tuesday morning. Welcome 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: into Jaguars Drive Time, brought to you by Jet Home 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: Loans this morning in the off season. Getting kind of 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: busy this week though, as we get ready to head 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: to the NFL Combine next Monday. No show next week's 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot about the Combine on this episode. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: But first, boys, how was your weekend? It was great. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: I came in yesterday, which was awesome. You did why? Uh? 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Nobody told me? As president? So I pulled up to 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: the parking lot? And who did you blame for that? 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: You dare we not set an email reminding philosophy is 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: when in doubt, blame others. So did you walk into 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: the building or did you see the empty parking lot? 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: I walked into the building and just sort of double 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: check because I was fuse at that point. Um. Well, 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: often we are traveling to the Combine on President's Day, 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and this year we left it didn't fall that way. No, 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: I knew the combine wasn't this week, but it was nice. 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: It was quiet. It's quiet. I got some office supplies, 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: you thought, Max. And that's what I do when I'm 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: here alone. You steal the office other people's office supplies. 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: So it was hence why my pencil cups empty. It 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: was a good day, lovely day. Now I know who 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: to blame, well, I always blame others, of course. All right, 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: let's get into big things, shall we Heading to the 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Combine next Monday. Big thing one is doug In Day. 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 1: We will hear from head coach Doug Ron and general 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: manager Dave Cogwell next Tuesday at the NFL Combine. If 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: your call. Last year, that press conference at the Combine, 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: that's when we found out that Marcel Darry is gonna 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: stay at Jacksonville Jaguar had met with Dave Cogwell, and 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: that was a big moment at the Combine, and that 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: was big news coming out of that combiny. So maybe 36 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: we'll find out some news about Unique and dock Way, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Kalis Campbell. Perhaps hopefully something comes out of that press 38 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: conference next Tuesday. Big thing to new staff and new hirings. 39 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: We haven't talked a lot about the new offensive Cordier, 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: a new quarterback coach on this fine program. Jay Gruden, 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: Ben macadoo both joining the Jaguar staff. Ben McAdoo. Who's 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: gonna coach Gardner? Minshew nick Foles. We don't know Jay Gruden, 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: what is his offensive philosophy gonna be? Don't know that 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: as well. What we do know is that this was 45 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: Doug Brown's decision to bring in these two guys he 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: had the power to hire. This staff. Will talk much 47 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: more about that. Finally, Big Thing three prospects, our first 48 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: look at who could potentially be the first round draft 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: pick of the Jaguars next week at the NFL Combine, 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: And as we were getting prepared for the Combine last week, guys, 51 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: it's funny to look last year at the list of 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: targets of guys who wanted to pay attention to. T J. Hawkinson, 53 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: no big time tight ends. Josh Allen wasn't even on 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: that list of guys to even pay attention to at 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: the COMMA because we thought there is no way he 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: is there for the Jaguars to take. So it shows 57 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: that as much as you want to prepare for this 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: compin in all the draft prospects, most likely something will 59 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: shake out that you don't expect. Well, especially at number nine. 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean, the lower you get in the first round, obviously, 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: the more can happen in front of you. So I 62 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: imagine we'll be looking at defensive tackles, offensive tackles next week, 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: maybe some cornerbacks. But when you're picking nine and twenty, 64 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: you have general ideas, but you don't know for sure. 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: With here well, and I think that the quarterback crop 66 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: in this year's class. Obviously Burrow was sitting there at 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: the top. But you know, whatever to ends up doing 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: in terms of workout. Um, justin Herbert, was he the 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: star of the Senior Bowl. I mean, he certainly was 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: one of the bigger stories coming out of the Senior Bowl. 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: With these guys, and who knows what Jordan's love does, 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: but he's got a lot of attention to You could 73 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: find teams that are vaulting up ahead of you and 74 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: driving players down the board, because a run on quarterbacks 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: is entirely possible, right. I think offensive tackles another one. 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: It probably doesn't start that high, but you never know 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: how these guys great out, so trying to decide who 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: will slide, but someone will. There'll be someone sitting there 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: at nine that you don't expect because it's seven. Last 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: year was a guy that no one could have thought 81 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: would have fallen that far. It wasn't even on the list. 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: We had a list probably a thirty guys to pay 83 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: attended to go to their press conference. Wasn't even on 84 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: the list. And it's funny to look at that list 85 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: and say, where did this guy even? And now you know, 86 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: I point out again, I'm on the phone in Nashville 87 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: and I'm being told to go look for t J. Hockinson. 88 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: And then it was hold on, wait stop. The Giants 89 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: had just made the selection and Josh Allen was there 90 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: and it changed. So you were right on target last 91 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: year with Hockinson. It's just that that unexpected occurrence changes 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: all the plans. And if that's the case, you hope 93 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: that they go with best player available again this year. 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: Another thing that is interesting about the combine is that 95 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: the behind the curtain gossip talk of the week. We 96 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: all know that happens where you all of a sudden 97 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: see a bunch of trades happening the week after the 98 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: NFL Combine, Guys talking at restaurants and the bathroom line. 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: That stuff happens at the Combine. So possibly something could 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: happened with maybe a Nick Foles trade something like that. 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we know the Jaguars are dealing with cap 102 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: issues space, Maybe something like that happens next week. Yeah, 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: it's always a conversation like that. I are big thing 104 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: one is you know what Doug and Dave will say. Um, 105 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: you never know what to expect. I wouldn't expect them 106 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 1: to have unique and got way news on that front. 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: That's in. That's a negotiation, that's a pretty high profile. 108 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: The Marcel thing was a renegotiation that he sort of 109 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: came to the teams that I want to stay. How 110 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: do we make this work? Was how Dave put it. Uh, 111 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: I would expect him to be asked about Calais Campbell. 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: I expected to be asked about Marcel Again, these guys, 113 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: I don't know that when this they have a bombshell moment. 114 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: But usually those combine talks are more about the GM 115 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: than the head coach. The head coaches, you know, there's 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: not much that he can say in terms of news 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: personnel wise, usually follows the GM. So Dave's press commence 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: next week usually has a couple of nuggets and I 119 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: expect more of a Usually when Dave talks at that 120 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: you get more of a feeling about what they're gonna 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: do rather than hard news, Hey, this is what we're 122 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: doing X player, why players Z player wether three weeks 123 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: out when Dave talks from the start of free agency. 124 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: I don't think they can say anything about Yawn until 125 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: they decide what they're doing with Campbell R right. I 126 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: mean that to me is the interesting lynch pin, you know. 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: I mean you say chicken or the egg. Do you 128 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: go ahead and agree to a deal with Yawn and 129 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: then figure out what you're doing with Campbell? Or do 130 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: you figure out what you're doing with Campbell and then 131 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: you know, attack it? Um. But no matter what they do, 132 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to create some cap room in order 133 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: to be able to get Unique and Gockquay under the 134 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: cap so to make this whole thing work. Um. That 135 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: one feels to me like we will be in training 136 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: camp still wondering about Unique and Godoys, and I would 137 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: be surprised that under the tag, and I'd be surprised 138 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: if he likes that. Um. In fact, that might be 139 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: the answer. Next week. You that you hear, you may 140 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: hear what we're prepared to use the tag if we 141 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: can't get something done. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he 142 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: will say if they having anything done, I'm sure say 143 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: they're prepared to. I think it's that day, that it's 144 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: the first day they can do it, but they don't 145 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: have to do it until I think it's March ten. 146 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: So he'll be asked about it, and I'm sure the 147 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: story will be Dave calledwell says things are a possibility. Well, 148 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: everything's possibility. But I'm sure he'll say that, you know 149 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: you have mentioned Gardner Minshew as well. Will there be 150 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: any news there. I just don't think from a negotiating standpoint, 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: from a trade standpoint, you say anything about him at 152 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: all that you know their stance has been. You know, 153 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: we'll have two quarterbacks and will be competing with two quarterbacks. 154 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Whether it's you know that your conversation with shod Khan 155 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: or you know Doug and Dave and what they've said today. 156 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna get anything for Nick Foles, 157 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: you have to let people know that you you're prepared 158 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: to go to camp with him, and it's not just 159 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: gonna be given away. The message has been clear on 160 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: all fronts from multiple people. Two quarterbacks is just fine. Right, 161 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: it's got to be a fair deal. It's got to 162 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: be something that works for both sides. So I would 163 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: think if you're still gonna get the Hey, we've got 164 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks and we're prepared to play with whichever one 165 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: can win the job. Right, So let's go to big 166 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: three prospects. We're making the list of guys to pay 167 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: attention to at the combine, and these three guys stand 168 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: out above the rest, especially with the mock draft. John, 169 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: I read your lovely article on Jaguars dot com. This 170 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: guy was mocked the Jaguars at number ninety of Derek Brown, 171 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw, and Andrew Thomas as three guys to definitely 172 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: pay attention to, especially at the combine next week. Well, 173 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: there's so many right now I've done I think to 174 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: mock drafts kin Law and Derek Brown from Auburn, we're 175 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: guys that came up. I'm sure as I if if 176 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: I do a three or four more, I'm sure there 177 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: will be other guys who make sense. Offensive tackles are 178 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: going to be mocked to them, cornerbacks are gonna be 179 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: mocked to them. Jeff Acuda, I think you pronounce the 180 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: name from my home state. Uh, he's so far up 181 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: most teams. Draft boy, you wouldn't think he can get 182 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: to nine. He could be a guy who slides. You've 183 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: seen him and mocks um. These are some of the 184 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: guys people are talking about as possibilities. And I always 185 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: mock draft mock is the big work and they mean nothing. 186 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: They're interesting to talk about. But it wouldn't shock me 187 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: if one of these two guys in Jaguars uniform and 188 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: uh April, because they just makes sense. Well, but most 189 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: folks seem to think that Derek Brown is going to 190 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: be gone well before nine. However, I'll go back to 191 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams was the big name, the big tackle from 192 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: USC that most people thought was the number one overall 193 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: defensive player, and he slid the six. This would be 194 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: a situation if if Brown is there, I mean, that's 195 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: a run with his name on a card to the 196 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: commissioner and get this one done. Because he is so 197 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: big and so strong. He when you watch him on tape, 198 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: you see a guy that he kind of has a 199 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: Baselli frame. You know, there's great, big, long arms and power. 200 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: Nobody gets into his body. He keeps him out here 201 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: and he has power out here where most guys don't. 202 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: If he gets there, you run to it, and there's 203 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: a chance he could get there. But to me, he 204 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: only gets there if if the quarterback run happens and 205 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: you've got guys trading up. Yeah. Yeah, but if you've 206 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: got potentially three quarterbacks, he could go. He could happen. 207 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that could easily happen, and teams do odd 208 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: things as we saw. Nobody thought Josh Allen was going 209 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: to be there. And all you need is one need 210 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: is one pin fall and then one more team at 211 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: eight that doesn't write, you know, and all of a 212 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: sudden he's there. He would be this year's Josh Allen. 213 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: That that would be a major coup if he is 214 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: sitting there, And from what I talked to people that 215 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: I've talked to, Javon Kinlaw would be no consolation prize. 216 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: He's a terrific player too. 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Mail bag right 246 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville, John, right in the John. So how 247 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: did so many conclude from a four game span after 248 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: recovering from injury and playing with a suspect offensive line 249 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: that Nick fools More from a clutch Super Bowl MVP 250 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: quarterback to a has been Are we being a little 251 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: quick to judge here? Well? A little too quick to 252 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: judge is the world we live in. And so that's 253 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: that's what happened. Is he played a good eleven plays. 254 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: Uh struggled when he came back at mid season with 255 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: a It's the age old things. It's what is what 256 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: we talked about every offseason for a long time around here. Uh. 257 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: What caused the struggle was that the quarterback was it 258 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: was going on around him. Uh, nick Foles for three games, 259 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: played sort of the way that Blake Bortles and Blaine 260 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: Gabbert and all these other storylines we've had for a 261 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: decade where you spend the offseason thinking, well, did this 262 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: guy struggle because of this? Because it X because of 263 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: hy Um. I don't think Nick Foles is a bad quarterback. 264 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: I think he played in the team, played poorly around, 265 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: so he's gonna get the blame. Uh. It struck me. 266 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: I was putting these those own questions together, and it 267 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: struck me during this show and Brian, we've talked about 268 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: at Ashland. I know less and am able to predict 269 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: less about this team going in the next year than 270 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: any team that I can remember around here. It just 271 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: seems like everything is uncertain. You don't know the quarterback. 272 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: When I think about the offensive line, there's two or 273 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: three different ways that go on the offensive line. I'm 274 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: not sure really what the biggest need is in the draft. 275 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: There's so much uncertainty. It's a huge job that they have, 276 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: and I don't even know that they know for sure 277 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: Nick Foles or Minshew because they haven't even It seems 278 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: like Jake Gruen has been here forever he's been here 279 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: like three or four weeks, so he's been looking to tape. 280 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: I haven't heard for sure what director they're going to quarterback, 281 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: So well, I don't think you will. In answer to 282 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: this question, Uh, unless they make a trade, I don't 283 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: think you will. Yeah, we were too quick to judge, 284 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: and I think some of this as much as fans. 285 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about Minshew mensa, Minshew, I think 286 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: this is still going to play out. Well. When I 287 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: read that's my first reaction was you think because you 288 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: remember at the time he came back and he didn't 289 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: play well against Indianapolis, all right, and then he came 290 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: back the next week and didn't play well, and back 291 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: to back weeks, and then the Tampa game was an 292 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: absolute I mean it was a disaster. It was a 293 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: dumpster fire. The turnovers and down twenty five to nothing 294 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: before you could even had to do something. They had 295 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: they had to make the change with him. But no, 296 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: when you look at at hit, at the few plays 297 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: that we got from him in Miami in the preseason, 298 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: and then the throw to Chark before he got injured 299 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: to play that he got injured on against Kansas City, 300 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: you saw a guy who could get the job done, 301 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: and I don't doubt that he absolutely can get the 302 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: job done. If we think that Minshew can play better 303 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: with better offensive line play and a tight end, why 304 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: can't we expect the same thing from a guy who's 305 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: been a Super Bowl MVP right with a big arm. Yes, absolutely, 306 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: we were too quick to judge. But John, you said 307 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: it right. In the in the world that we live 308 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: in with social media and instant analysis in twenty four 309 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: hour news cycles, it's all about having an opinion and 310 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: getting that opinion out. It doesn't matter whether it's right 311 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: or not. But the reality of it is is he's 312 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: still a talented enough guy that this team could win 313 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: with him this year. And as weird as it sounds, now, 314 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of scenarios where falls place quarterback next year? 315 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: When's the job or you know, it's not like Minshew 316 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: had such an incredibly consistent season last year that you 317 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: could see him starting and just locking down the You know, 318 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: if he struggles for a couple of games, would it 319 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: shock you if the storyline in week eate next year 320 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: is that Folds has come in and played very well 321 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: as a backup kind of turned things around. That's sort 322 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: of what he's done his whole career. So we all 323 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: think we know it's gonna play. I can kind of think, men, 324 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: she's going to be the guy. But this is a 325 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: guy who's been involved with weirder stories than him coming 326 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: back and playing well this year and being a very 327 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: good quarterback for this thing. If you want to know 328 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: what Fools is capable of, maybe that's wrong. What was it? 329 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: If you want to know what other people think, just 330 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: look around the league and see how many people are 331 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: putting him in different cities, you know, whether it's back 332 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: to Philadelphia or to Chicago, you know, anywhere where he 333 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: might be able to step into a quarterback situation and 334 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: improve it. There are a number of scenarios that were 335 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: out last week when Bill Barnewell did his his carousel 336 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: on on ESPN, which was very well done. Um, you know, 337 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Carolina Chargers, Carolina, uh, Chicago, Philadelphia. There were 338 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: a lot of places where nick Fole's name came up. 339 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: One of them was even New England. If Tom Brady 340 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: doesn't come back. So people still think very highly of 341 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: him in this and the Jaguars aren't in a bad 342 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: situation because they have a quarterback that people think highly of. Yea, yeah, 343 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be surprised during training camp. Every day 344 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: we're coming back on the show talking about how they 345 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: dueled it out one in two reps. Who gets first 346 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: reps today? You could so see that happening. Remember what 347 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: we said last week, here is it talking to people 348 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: in the building. It isn't as if someone's going no, no no, 349 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: Minshew is the man right. No one is saying we 350 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: haven't heard that, No, we haven't heard that. People talking 351 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: about what they liked and what they still want to see. 352 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: But it's not asificote. Here's our Deshaun Watson. His name 353 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: is Gardner Minshew. They're not doing that yet, which means 354 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: it's still open. If he gets to what Ashton talked about, 355 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: which is very possible. Um Folds is gonna look better 356 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: I think in a training camp situation than Minshew will, 357 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: just because so much of what Minshew does is based 358 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: on when everything's live and he creates KAO. There's not 359 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: as much chaos in a training camp. Everything so scrypted 360 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: and the things that he does well count, by the way, 361 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: and those are the real game things. And I'm not 362 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: knocking him, but in a training camp situation, Remember, Folds 363 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: look so much better last year, and and our gardener 364 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: looked like he might make the team, but when it 365 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: all came to count, then garden really stepped up. So 366 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: if it gets to that situation, is gonna be interesting 367 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: because you're gonna hear a lot of what we gotta 368 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: start falls because he looks so good, but you gotta 369 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: remember what the other kid did in the games. Gonna 370 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: be interesting. All right, let's go to Bryce. What do 371 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: you have for us? Head coach dun Brown is clearly 372 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: bringing in guys who have experienced as leaders of a team. 373 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: The move seem to make sense. Hopefully the new approach 374 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: can turn things around. Optimistic Bryce, yea, And this was 375 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: about our big thing too with Ben McAdoo and h 376 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: Jay Gruden. Um, you know, I the point I would 377 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: make on these two guys, I don't know how big 378 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: a tangible difference you're gonna see what the quarterback position 379 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: because Ben mcadoos there. I don't know how you're going 380 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: to measure that. Jay Gruden, you be able to judge 381 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: by the play calling if they had hired these two guys, 382 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: If you had hired Ben McAdoo for this job in 383 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: two thousand was at seventeen when he got the Giants job. 384 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: If you had hired Jay Gruden for this job, and 385 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: I think he got the Redskins job in two thousand fourteen, 386 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: if you had hired these guys for these two positions 387 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: before they got their head coaching jobs, well A, you 388 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: couldn't have hired them for these positions because they were 389 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: too hot. They were the some of the best offensive 390 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: minds in the NFL at the time. Well that hasn't changed. 391 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: There's still those minds. So um, I think Doug made 392 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: it clear after he hired Jay. They didn't think or 393 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: he didn't think, we had time to learn on the fly, 394 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: didn't need coaches who had a learning curve, didn't need 395 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old offensive coordinator who was going 396 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: to grow into the job. They need guys who can 397 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: help them win right now. If you had said before 398 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: at the end of last season, when everybody said, well, 399 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: this is a lame duck situation, Doug Brown's got to 400 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: win now, nobody's gonna come. If you had told me 401 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: they could get Gruden and McAdoo for those two spots 402 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: in their situation, those two higher. They're absolutely the best 403 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: possible and I think they were a dream scenario. How 404 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: it works out, I don't know, you know, um So, 405 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo took over for Kevin Gilbride, former Jaguars offensive coordinator. 406 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Great guy, good offensive mind, and the Giants in fifteen 407 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: and sixteen climbed dramatically both in torrant terms of offensive 408 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: efficiency and in points. There were twenty eight in points 409 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: when he took over and they finished sixth in points. 410 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: What do they miss? No, I just did a thing 411 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: on my coffee. I didn't mean to um okay for 412 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: what's gonna say? No, the Giants exploded offensively, and yeah, 413 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: he was very highly regarded and he got the job. 414 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: In part. The sense was he got the Giants job 415 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: because they felt like they couldn't afford to lose this 416 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: great offensive mind. And there was a lot of conversation 417 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: in sixteen with Tom having hired Ben, and that was 418 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: the year that Tom allegedly gave Ben the entire offense 419 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: run your scheme. Would you never think of a coach 420 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: like Tom Coughlin would who was an offensive guy? Absolutely, 421 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: and yet he had enough confidence in Ben McAdoo. And 422 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: of course McAdoo came from a stint with Aaron Rodgers 423 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy, so he had a bit of a pedigree. 424 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: It fell apart obviously in New York very quickly, and 425 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: we've seen things fall apart quickly around here lately too. 426 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: Um Jay Gruden, I went back and I looked at 427 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: the years he had terrific seasons, not like the the 428 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, explosion in terms of um rising up the 429 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: ranks or yards or point, but just really good offense 430 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: for what they were trying and right he was a 431 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: really really high regarded coordinator. And in Washington also he 432 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, in two thousand sixteen, I think he had 433 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: the second best passing attack in professional football. So I mean, 434 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: these are guys that over the course of their career 435 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: have distinguished themselves. Now, now here's the key. How did 436 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: they take the talent that's here or whatever are going 437 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: to add? How do they make it better? You don't know. 438 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: You don't know. But if you had told me in 439 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: December that they would get two head coming and two 440 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: coaches with seven years of head coaching experience and with 441 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: accomplished you know people for years, well, why don't they 442 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: hire a coordinator? Who's done it. Well, these guys have 443 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: done it, So I don't know how it's gonna work. 444 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know that you were going to get 445 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: better highers than these two guys in this situation. I 446 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: think they're remarkable highers. Everybody says, well, why would Doug 447 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: hire somebody with head coaching experience is waiting to take 448 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: his job. Doug ain't thinking that one. Doug's thinking how 449 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: could he? He's confident in himself. He's thinking, how can 450 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: I get these guys better right now? And these are 451 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: two good highers. What's remarkable two is is that you've 452 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: got two guys to come in on essentially what's a 453 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: one year deal, right, I mean it's year to year now. 454 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: So that was a that was a heck of a 455 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: cell job by Maron to get these guys. And we said, 456 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: what a great opportunities for coach Maron to bring in 457 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: the guys that he truly wants, getting the power completely 458 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: to him and saying hey, make the decisi and for 459 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: him to get both those guys. Pretty good job there. 460 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to Jeff from Orange, California with 461 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: the Jaguar seemingly having lots of needs to fill through 462 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: the draft. Do you see this year as being more 463 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: probable than past years for a trade back in round 464 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: one to collect more picks. Um, it's always tough to 465 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: predict trades because you have to have a partner. I think, 466 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: I think just makes sense. But my senses, if somebody 467 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: like Ken laarsony like Derrick Brown, you don't want to 468 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: trade too far back out of the top ten and 469 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: risks not getting that kind of a player, elite talent. 470 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: And often when we analyze the draft, people make the 471 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: mistake of saying so and so is a Round one 472 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: player and thinking they're all created equal. Some of this 473 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: falls the Tavin Bryan situation. Everybody said, well he he 474 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: was a complete bust, and they put him in the 475 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: same category as say, when you miss on Blake Bortles. Um, 476 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: a twenty ninth overall pick is not remotely the same 477 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: thing like a second round as as a as a 478 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: five pick. So the point being, you don't want to 479 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: trade back out of nine, trade back to fifteen and 480 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: get a guy who's pretty good compared to Ken Law 481 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: or Brown who might be defense changing, So don't trade 482 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: too far back. But yeah, I guess there's a possibility. 483 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: And I think to your point earlier in the the show, Brian, 484 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: the chance of trading back to get a lot would 485 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: be if one of those quarterbacks is sitting there at 486 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: nine and you decide you don't want them. The quarterbacks 487 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna make. There are enough offensive tackles in this 488 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: traft that no one's going to start a run at seven, right, Uh, 489 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: sav thing with wide receivers. I mean there's wide receivers 490 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: way into the third round from you know what I 491 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: gather so far. There's not a tight end. There's not 492 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: a running back, you know, the the only position that's 493 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: going to drive your ability to go back as quarterback. 494 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: So follow the quarterback next week at the combine and 495 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: throughout their workouts and see who climbs. Oh. I have 496 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: a feeling we will be doing that. If I remember 497 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: anything about last year's combine, it was the crowd around 498 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's press conference. I think it was absolutely absurd. 499 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: Probably say this in every show, but careful now, don't 500 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: try to trade away from quarterback. That could be a 501 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: difference maker just because you think, well, I've got minshow 502 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: or I've got folds and I got to win this year. 503 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 1: If one of those guys are sitting there at nine, 504 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: you better take a good hard look at them too. 505 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: And I think, Brian, that's sort of the huge underlying 506 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: story of this draft that will never be able to 507 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: officially write or talk about because they're never gonna say it, obviously, 508 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: but it's going to be easy to steer away from 509 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: quarterback the entire time leading up to it, and you 510 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: just don't know what they're thinking on that front. It's 511 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating if one of those guys is at nine, 512 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: If one of them are at nine, how do you 513 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: pass it up? And we're all gonna be sitting there 514 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: going if you're not really talking about or thinking about it, 515 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: But it's gonna be am just something to consider. This morning, 516 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: mill Hiper put out his second version of his mock 517 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: draft and he's talking about two agoing three to the Lions. 518 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Of course, he's making the case this that or the other, 519 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: but he put the Jaguars in a group of player 520 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: of teams that might be trading up for a quarterback. 521 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: Now people in Jacksonville going, no, we're not doing that right. Look, 522 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: the Texans traded up for Watson, The Chiefs traded up 523 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: for Mahomes. If you want one of those guys, if 524 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: you think one of them is the guys, you're gonna 525 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: have to go out and get them. Right. The one 526 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: thing I'd say is neither one of these teams. The 527 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: chiefs of the Texans were for sure, but they felt 528 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: they're great. Their sense told them these guys are gonna 529 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: be really good. There are franchise quarterback If you have 530 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: that sense, you have the draft capital this year and 531 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: next to be able to go do it. If you 532 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: want a quarterback, chances are you're not getting him at nine. 533 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go up and get him. And 534 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: an interesting point remember shod Con last year he said 535 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: this in London, was adamant that they get backup quarterback. 536 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: Um says, well, they've called on Doug Maroon. They're trying 537 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: to win now. They would never draft a quarterback. There's 538 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: all these things out there there. You know, if you're 539 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: the owner, you have to tell them right. Well, and 540 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: at think for the GM. I think if you're Dave, 541 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: you realize the job in itself is always what's best 542 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: for the franchise over the long term. And he has 543 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: said that constantly over the years, no matter what situation 544 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: and talk there is you've got to do his best 545 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: for franchise long term. So um as much as people 546 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: won't talk about that a whole lot, I do think 547 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback has to be something that they're talking about, 548 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how do we do what's best. 549 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: It's been deficient for too long. You can't ignore it. 550 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: Go back to that seventeen season and we saw in 551 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: the second half when the Texans pulled their starting quarterback 552 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, the kid from Pitt and 553 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: they put in Watson and all, even though the game 554 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: wasn't close, You're like, WHOA, look at this guy. And 555 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: then memory towards a c l in October on the 556 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: practice field and the league is like, WHOA, what a 557 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: bummer because we're just starting to see this kid emerge. 558 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Homes only got in the last game of the year 559 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: when the playoffs were already assured for that team, and 560 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: he lit it up in Denver and everyone, WHOA, Right, 561 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: if one of these guys is that kind of guy, 562 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: get him. Yeah, And it doesn't seem honestly that far 563 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: fetched if say, Justin Herbert is your guy, because that's 564 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: the first time I've seen two of going to the 565 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: Lions at three. Was this morning's Neil Kuiper's Draft, Well, 566 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: what he was saying, well, and again depending on how 567 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: you grade him right. The one thing we don't know 568 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: is how they're going to grade them right. And you 569 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: can make mistakes on quarterbacks as well. But the point 570 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: that the Kiper was making is he doesn't do trades 571 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: in his draft, but two belongs to three. Someone's going 572 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: to three to get him. They think, whether it's the 573 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Lions or not, if the Dolphins, whoever it might be, 574 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: the Chargers, whoever wants him, is going to have to 575 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: go to three. That was what he was saying this 576 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: morning with the mock draft. Interesting and he's probably right 577 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: because usually this time of year you don't see that 578 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: mocked and by a week before the draft or on 579 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: draft night. And there's been a trend over the last years. 580 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: It's been jumping up to get the quarter well, and 581 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: then you could, I mean that could just pull the 582 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: cork and all of a sudden, you could just just 583 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: wash away what you thought was going to happen with 584 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: the top ten or twelve picks, because all of a sudden, 585 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: someone's gonna go up to get Herbert and then someone's 586 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna go we love love, you know, we gotta go 587 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: get him an eight, and all of a sudden everything changes. 588 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: And then and then Derek Brown Brown is sitting in 589 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: your laugh and you're thinking, Okay, here we go. We've 590 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: got two guys that we can work with. This is 591 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: a guy we can't pass out. Here we go again, 592 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: all right, when we come back our new segment here 593 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drive Time in the off season, Position by position, 594 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: looking at tight end this week when we come back 595 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: on the Jaguars Digital Network. Did you hear the last 596 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: two years the Jaguars were turned up hunt for a touchdown, 597 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: earning local families one hundred thousand dollars towards the dream 598 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: Finders Home. Lauren Brooks here letting you know that could 599 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: be you this season. 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Let's look at the type end 628 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: depth chart currently for the Jaguars. You currently have eight 629 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: tight ends on your roster. I just put here because 630 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't fit it. James O'Shaughnessy, Josh Oliver, Jeff Swain, Bonkoy, 631 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: accept de Val along with a few others. The two 632 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: at the top are really the big questions because James 633 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: O'Shaughnessy that big injury. Josh Oliver big injury, A lot 634 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: of hype with him during training can't be thought. What 635 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: a great draft pick that was. We still have so 636 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: many questions about Josh Oliver, whether or not he can 637 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: be a productive tight end. James O'Shaughnessy was Gardner Minshew's 638 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: guy before he got hurt, playing well, really productive, seemed 639 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: like the number one tight end. With that injury, you 640 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: never know it's a loss. If the three guys at 641 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen there are on your roster 642 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: and opening day, I mean no offense to any of them. 643 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: But they're guys that you find all over the league. 644 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: Every team has two of those guys. You need James 645 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: O'Shaughnessy to come back from the a c L and 646 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: Josh Oliver to show us what we saw from him 647 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: on the practice field before he got injured with the hamstring. 648 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: I you saw the six found guy running down the 649 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: field like a wide receiver. You thought, right, this third 650 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: round pick from San Jose State's got something. And John D. 651 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: Philippo told me before he left, Oliver is a guy 652 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: that has huge upside, right, and he's very high on 653 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: what he was capable of doing. You're gonna go into 654 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: free agency and the draft looking for a guy that 655 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: can be your featured guy, hoping that Oliver can be 656 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: your future guy, and you have to And then O'Shaughnessy 657 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: is your third and you know you can go get 658 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: Ben Quick the jag Wars have gotten him again and 659 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: again and again, and then Seth the Valve and Jeff Swain. 660 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: You can go find those guys, um, but you need 661 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: that that stretch, that guy who I mean, You're not 662 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: gonna go find Kelsey. I mean, there aren't many guys 663 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: like that at all, but you know, the Chiefs got 664 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: kind of lucky with him too. What was the third 665 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: round pick? You just you gotta go and you gotta 666 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: improve the position, and you've got the chance to with 667 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: two guys that are on your roster right now. It's 668 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: a tricky spot because usually tight ends and this is 669 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: a little bit different, there are some free agent tight 670 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: ends available. They could be a quick fix. That's rare. Um. 671 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: It's usually a position where it's it's hard to go 672 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: get uh elite guy to come in and help. It's 673 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: been exceptions. Jimmy Graham was an exception, But it's it's 674 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: hard to go get the guy who's gonna come in 675 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: and help you right away. And so teams usually find 676 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: them in the draft, but they used to take a 677 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: couple of years to develop, you know. And again there's 678 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: exceptions of that, but generally speaking, so I think you 679 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: need to draft one. But I don't know that there's 680 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: a tight end in this draft that's gonna come in 681 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: and help you right away necessarily. So Hunter Henry or 682 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: these three guys see on the screen all makes sense. Um, 683 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: As you said, it's not a knock on the guys 684 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: on the roster because swam Oliver O'Shaughnessy. All might be fine. 685 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: Aliver might be great, But I don't think you can 686 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: take a chance that any of those guys don't develop 687 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: or her. I think you need some impact right away. 688 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: At you said it. You you see these guys they 689 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: take time to develop. Well, you've got one developmental guy 690 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: in there right now, and that's Oliver right, a guy 691 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: who you expect to develop you. That's why you used 692 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: a third round pick on him. You you need to 693 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: go and add a couple of these guys. I mean again, 694 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: I mentioned Travis Kelsey, but what about George kittle Right, 695 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: he was a fifth round pick. You they could have 696 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: really loved him and thought he was gonna be great. 697 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: But two time all pro I mean that quickly you 698 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: have to go and find these guys and hope that 699 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: you uncover one that's got a lot of upside um. 700 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: The one name on that list that I would be 701 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: stunned if he got to free agency is Hunter Henry. 702 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: Because you look at the Chargers hill injuries have been 703 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: an issue. They may be ready to give up on that. 704 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: You would then let the buyer beware, right, because then 705 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: you're taking on theirs. The the issue with him is 706 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: as though, is that he's a terrific player, and terrific 707 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: tight ends aren't necessarily easy to find. You need to 708 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: be able to hold onto some star players. You're talking 709 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: about Melvin Gordon going, Philip Rivers is gone, and your 710 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: star players are only on the defensive side. I'd be 711 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: stunned if he gets to free agency. But I mean, 712 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: the crazier things have happened. It's a maddening position for 713 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: this team because you've known forever that it needs to 714 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: be addressed. They've always, even when Mercedes was here, still 715 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: felt like you needed a receiving tight end. You've always 716 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: I feel like you needed it. And yet, much like 717 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: last year, to me, the last draft sort of to 718 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: find how it's tough to get that position. They knew 719 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: they wanted t J. Hopkinson, but then all of a sudden, 720 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: there was this position that made so much more sense 721 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: because Josh Allen was there value well, and it was 722 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: a it was a no brainer pick. It should never 723 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: be criticized, but it shows that's why it's sometimes tough 724 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: to get tight end because you've got all these other 725 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: positions that you sort of prioritize. It's a no brainer 726 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: go get defensive end over tight end. But by doing 727 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: that over time, you sort of have remained deficient tight end. 728 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: And there are franchises they have a tough time finding. 729 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: That's finding positions. For whatever reason, tight end has sort 730 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: of been at They haven't had a horrible play tight 731 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: end for years, but they haven't been able to find 732 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: their Travis Kelsey, zach Ertz, those guys. It's been elusive. 733 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: You watch the Chiefs or the Niners play this year, 734 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: and of course in the Super Bowl, the mismatches because 735 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: if their size, in their athletic ability and the matchups 736 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: they are able to get on the outside. Uh, you've 737 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: got to have that position, you absolutely do. The one 738 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: thing I have seen so far is there doesn't appear 739 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: to be a first round tight end. Last year you 740 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: had a couple of guys with first round grades. Maybe 741 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: the kid from Notre Dame slides in at the end 742 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: of the first round. But there are plenty of names 743 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: of guys who belong in the second and third round. 744 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be someone they can choose. And it 745 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: sounds as if this is one of those years you 746 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: can't afford to let it go too far. Yeah, Actually, 747 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: I was reading El Kuiper's draft this morning. He actually 748 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have a tight end mocked until forty six and 749 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: then it is the not hit out of Notre Dame. 750 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: But you look at last year t J Hawks and 751 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: no one fan all those guys, so it seems like 752 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: you they were going to be first round, right. So 753 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: it seems like if you're the Jaguars and you need 754 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: a tight end right away, it seems like free agency 755 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: would just make more sense this year because the free 756 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: agent market was way more this year tight un friendly 757 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: than it was last year. It does, but I don't 758 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: think I don't get the impression and this is just 759 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: an impress and I don't get the impression they're going 760 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: to be market setters for any position though. And if 761 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: you're not a market setter, I don't know that you're 762 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: gonna get Austin Hoop right, get Hunter Henry. So they 763 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: may change that, but it doesn't feel like they're going 764 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: to be going after that type. So then all of 765 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're back into hoping that Josh. I think 766 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: it's a weird position for this team. The only way 767 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: that you can set a market for any player at 768 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: the tight end is if you get unique Gogoys deal done, 769 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean they just what they're trying to manage with 770 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: him is going to preclude them from doing it. So 771 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: let's just say that you get Eric Ebron right, and 772 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: he's not He's not going to be a market contract, 773 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: that big deal. You still have to go draft somebody. 774 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: I don't care whether it's the fourth round or the 775 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: fifth round. You've got to go and find another developmental 776 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: tight end because John's right, they take some time to 777 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: develop in this game. If you hit on it, great, 778 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to develop some guys and you 779 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: need it. I think it's a weird spot because Josh Oliver, 780 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's a percentage chance out there that they 781 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: did it already. What we're talking about, they've already done it. 782 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: Maybe they've already done it, but do you have confidence 783 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: in that knowing that you haven't seen it. It's it's 784 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: a strange, buddy, wouldn't you talking they said, Hey, we 785 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: feel like we've already done this. Sometimes and there is 786 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: a school thought in this league sometimes you've got to 787 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: trust what you drafted, and maybe that's their approach. I 788 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: think that would be risk. Well, he was injury prone 789 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: last year, obviously missed most of the season, So get 790 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: another one, draft, another one somewhere along the line, especially 791 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: when you're talking free agency with all of those contracts 792 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: we were talking about, you can't depend on that this 793 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: year with the cap space. All right. When we come 794 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: back some Ashlyn ass some grueling questions coming up for 795 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: these two guys on Jaguars drap. 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John's into it. 822 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to start this segment with one questions by 823 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: and I was told we won't be playing that on 824 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: this program. So here we are. If here's twenty one 825 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: questions that's not exactly child friendly. I was told it's 826 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: not whatever. We're mature here, aren't we. You guys ready ready? 827 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: That is a sin in hand? All right? We started 828 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: Ashlen asked with more draft talk surprise surprise. As a 829 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: number one, who would you be selecting at number nine? 830 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: If you are Dave Codwell, who are you calling? We're 831 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: not taking trades into account. We're not taking trades into account. 832 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: We're saying, realistically, who's there at number nine? Who are 833 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: you taking if you're but we all think trades are 834 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Hence Wooden's gets tricky. Well, let's just say 835 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 1: for the sake of the game, but there's no trades 836 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: and you're still at number nine, we may have picked 837 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: the same guy. I didn't see you. Go ahead, Um, 838 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Ken Law from South Carolina. I 839 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: think if if Brown's there, I think you take him. 840 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm mocking this with the assumption that he'll be gone. 841 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,959 Speaker 1: I just think kin Law makes a lot of sense 842 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: in terms of no matter who's bag, no matter if 843 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: they get Marcel back, uh, whatever happens in the defensive interior, 844 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you hurt yourself getting a guy who's dominant. 845 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: They're getting a potential star there. I think if you 846 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 1: put Ken Law next to Josh Allen, next to all 847 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 1: their defensive front talent, you're an off a good defensive 848 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: front for a long time. I started with that, and 849 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: then I remember that there are some defensive tackles that 850 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,240 Speaker 1: I have read about that I've talked to people about 851 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: that aren't on anyone's radar screens as first round picks, 852 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: but have first round talent. Remember Aaron Donald was thought 853 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: to be too short and he slid in at the 854 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: back end of the first round. The Ramps got him 855 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: really late in the first round the year that he 856 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: came out of pit. And there are some guys, not 857 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, but some talented guys who are available. Um, 858 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 1: So I went with Isaiah Simmons because I'm trying to 859 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: make the point about best available player, and he's going 860 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: to be there. And he makes sure run defense better 861 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: because he's a running hit linebacker. He's also a guy 862 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: who can blitz, a guy who can play safety, a 863 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: guy can play out in the slot. He is the 864 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: most versatile defensive player in the draft from everything that 865 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: I hear and read and see. And you can't pass 866 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: on that. I don't think, not on that kind of 867 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: a players got options, and if you don't need a 868 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: defensive tackle right away, that could be a good option. 869 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: You gotta improve your run defense. Best available player, alright, 870 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: ashless number two? What is the biggest question going into March? 871 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: We're only a couple a week away from March, two 872 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: weeks away from March. Heading into March, what's the biggest 873 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: question you have to ask regarding this team? Is it 874 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: are they going to sign Unique and gock Way finally 875 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: and pay him? Is it is clay As cambell is 876 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: going to be in a Jaguars uniform next year? Is 877 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: it is Gardner Minshew the quarterback? Or have you they 878 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: traded Nick Foles yet? What's the biggest question going into 879 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: the month of March? This is always the biggest question. 880 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: Who's your quarterback? Right? Still in a quarterback league? There 881 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: you go? Good? Right? I mean it's it's football one 882 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: oh one? Who's your quarterback? Um? If you I mean, 883 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: if you think you're not gonna have of um uh, 884 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: Unique got Way? Because if a holdout, you still have 885 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you know, I mean, who is your quarterback? 886 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: Is always the most important question that you ask, and 887 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: until you don't have that question to ask, you keep 888 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: asking it. It appears that was your question. Yeah, Well, 889 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: I'll say first all of them because As I said earlier, 890 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: I don't recall an off season where there were so 891 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: many questions and so many things where if they go 892 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: a route and you're on the field in April and 893 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: they've done this, you're like, well, I didn't expect it, 894 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: Like I don't know that there's a whole lot that 895 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: is absolutely common knowledge. But what they're gonna do, I 896 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: think there could be a lot of new players on defense. 897 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock me if if Nick Foles is the quarterback. UH, 898 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: don't really know what they're gonna do. Offensive line. I 899 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,800 Speaker 1: think they need to improve the offensive line. I'm not 900 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: sure specifically. There is no player on the offensive line 901 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: that I would be shocked if they were on the 902 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: team next year. And I guess the only player that 903 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure is going to be in in their exact 904 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: spot would be Taylor and Lender. So all of that is, 905 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: but for the sake of this answer, I'll say, uh, 906 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: I'll say Clay's Campbell because you know, I don't think 907 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: he was as good last year as he has been 908 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: in seventeen and eighteen. But he clearly can make plays. 909 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: He clearly has can be impactful in the right situation 910 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: when he's on. He still maybe one of the best 911 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: two or three players. He was dominant against the Colts 912 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the season. So, uh, what they 913 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: do with him, I think is still a huge question 914 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: to answer. As much as I see the cap, as 915 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: much as I see that situation, it's still tough for 916 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: me to imagine walking in there on the first day 917 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: o t a s, first day the offseason program and 918 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 1: him not being here. I just think they find some 919 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: way to get it done, and if he won't take 920 00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: a pay cut, I think they pay him. And I 921 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: don't think Yahn is even a question because I think 922 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 1: he's going to be here, whether whether they franchise him 923 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: or whether they get a deal done, whether it's a 924 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: hold on training camp. The owner said it, Davis said 925 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: it not a question. The question with him is just 926 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, when does he get here and how much 927 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: does he get paid? A lot? Yeah, all right, So 928 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: it's been somewhat of a negative off season. In season, 929 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: there's been some doubters, there's been some upset people. Yes, 930 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: John has been one of Them's so crappy lately. So 931 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: let's look at the positives. When you look back at 932 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen season, I know there's not a lot, 933 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: but let's be optimistic this morning. When you look back 934 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: at two nineteen, what's the biggest positive? What do you 935 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: look back on and smile and say, ah, that was 936 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: a good time. It could be a game, It could 937 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 1: be a moment. It could be a player that you 938 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: didn't think was going to break out into that was nineteen. 939 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: When you look back at last year makes you smile. 940 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: Can even be Max Hawkman, Max getting engaged. That makes 941 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: me smile. That's top ten at least. Okay, go ahead, 942 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: now you go first. First, I'll go Josh allen Um 943 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:23,320 Speaker 1: And because I think as rough as this season was 944 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: and as uncertain as things feel now, I can easily 945 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: envision us sitting here in and saying, this guy is 946 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: the key to your franchise. This guy is I mean, 947 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: obviously the quarterback will be the key, but this guy 948 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: has a chance to be. When you think of the 949 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: Damon Broncos, who do you think do you think of 950 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: von Miller? He's got a chance to be that level 951 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: of defensive player. He's got a chance to be a 952 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: rock star a huge place. He's got a chance to 953 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: mean everything to this franchise that people for a couple 954 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: of years hoped that Jalen Ramsey would mean in terms 955 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: of iconic player, and here's a superstar in terms of 956 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: all that, and I think he's the complete package. The 957 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: way he played was almost lost somehow because of the 958 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: of the record. But ten and a half sacks, constant 959 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: impact never looked lost as a rookie Bryant and that's rare. Well, 960 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: and he kind of got lost in the shuffle because 961 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: Nick Bose had a similar year. Uh and then Bosa 962 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: had that Super Bowl that you know, he was a 963 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: world So you know, now even further people have said, well, 964 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Allen had a good year, but Nick 965 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: Bose it was supers for most of the year. No, no, 966 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,839 Speaker 1: it was surprised. If he has similar kind of game. 967 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: That's my point. He's that level. He's that level player. 968 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: Even though people don't see them as being the same player, 969 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: they absolutely are the same player. Um, I couldn't decide 970 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: on a player because I could have easily gone with ye. 971 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: I went with a win in Oakland. He didn't you 972 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 1: with a winning quite Cackland. My hands are red because 973 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have anything to wipe 974 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: it with. I wasn't wiping again Oakland h And here's why, 975 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: because that was a game by all accounts, the Jaguars 976 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: had no business winning. When did they left? You can't 977 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: even spell their name? When do they moved to Vegas? 978 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: Who wants to play in cacklin Man alone? We get it. 979 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: It says that doesn't deserve an NFL um. When we 980 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: pulled in that day, if you recall the parking lot, 981 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like the apocalypse. It was right. 982 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it was an incredible scene. So many people. 983 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: All you could say is, wow, they're leaving this right. 984 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the fandom was unbelievable. And that was a 985 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: team that was surging at the end of the season 986 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: and going to the playoffs. And I thought it took 987 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: an incredible amount of fortitude, especially when they fell behind early. 988 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: And it was a shocking win for this and and 989 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: that was the point. And I think maybe Doug Maron 990 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,800 Speaker 1: maybe saved his job, you know, in that in that 991 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: situation right there where the team rallied in the second half, 992 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: played great defense, Minshu led the two fourth quarter touchdown drives, 993 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: and they came away with the wind that just it 994 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: had the fans ready to tear the place apart. I 995 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: mean they were going to tear souvenirs and take them home. 996 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: Instead they were throwing them onto the field. Remember we 997 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: were trying to go out on the field to shoot 998 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: and feel hit by a chair. It was. It was. 999 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: It was a massive win, uh for the guys who 1000 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: were coming back next year, because the understanding is this 1001 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: is how you play. You go on the road and 1002 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 1: you win a game you're not supposed to until your 1003 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: point without if the season had ended after the third 1004 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: quarter of that game, I don't know that anybody is 1005 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: talking about Gardner Minshew as a potential started going forward 1006 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: in the and in the last in the in the 1007 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game, he didn't play it well 1008 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 1: against Atlanta, but then in Indianapolis. Without those five quarters 1009 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter that game Indianapolis, I think the conversation 1010 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: around Gardner minship is completely different. So I think that 1011 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: when again, the fourth quarter of that game is what 1012 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: is one of the things that makes you think maybe 1013 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:04,959 Speaker 1: he's the guy that always remember Cacklin always never, because 1014 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: if you can win, you can win anywhere. You're gonna 1015 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: be sorry wrote that because that we're never gonna forget 1016 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about it for too much. 1017 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: Will you make a mistake? Just wait? You know one's coming. Oh, 1018 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: I know. They happen every day. Bro, can't spell to 1019 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: save were life? No, I would spell it like that. 1020 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why I did that, but I did. 1021 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: All right, No Jaguars Drive time. Next Tuesday, we will 1022 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,360 Speaker 1: be live at the NFL Combine. Stay tuned in Jaguars 1023 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: dot com for all your coverage in Indianapolis. Jaguar is 1024 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,839 Speaker 1: Happy are this Thursday. We'll see you then.