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Speaker 4: Now, your hosts.
Speaker 2: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 6: it is fifty seven degrees, the high is sixty two.
Speaker 6: The load to night is forty five. It's a brisk
Speaker 6: fifty seven. It was a lot colder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got this sexy jacket on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Buffalo's forty one, highest forty three to lowest twenty eight.
Speaker 7: And you got bad layers on. You have a jacket,
Speaker 7: a hoodie, a button up, a T shirt. You having
Speaker 7: on the T shirt?
Speaker 5: Nope, sexiness.
Speaker 8: This is a cultural thing, right, Like what's under your
Speaker 8: T shirt? This is random? What's under your T shirt? Nothing?
Speaker 8: You just beat a white See black dudes do white beads.
Speaker 7: And I know we're I don't know we're being politically
Speaker 7: incorrect when we say white beaters. But yeah, but like
Speaker 7: white dudes either go T shirt or nothing at all,
Speaker 7: black dudes go black, just going.
Speaker 9: To white sea.
Speaker 8: His T shirt all the way up to the to the.
Speaker 7: He that this is Zaddy Zaddy Kirt Daniels, I am
Speaker 7: Jesse Holly in the back.
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Speaker 9: Yes, sir, we speak.
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Speaker 9: Come on, dak baby, throw them quick passes.
Speaker 8: What's the point point?
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Speaker 8: I don't have an answer.
Speaker 9: I don't either, but mark this, I don't have an ass.
Speaker 6: Wow this down first time ever. December four, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6: Jesse did not have an answer.
Speaker 8: I don't know why something you've always done, I've always done?
Speaker 5: What about you?
Speaker 8: You have generations?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I switched from that because I got tired of
Speaker 3: having a shirt on it.
Speaker 9: Then this big white.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the big tall yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I went to v next and come home even
Speaker 3: if the move is over some time.
Speaker 6: Because if I wear an undershirt under, I can wear
Speaker 6: this shirt more than once because my body didn't really
Speaker 6: touch it. My arms did, so I wear it two
Speaker 6: or three times before I have to wash it. But
Speaker 6: if I wear that, I'm gonna pit all in it
Speaker 6: or get theodor on it.
Speaker 8: And you shave your chest? No, no, you go you
Speaker 8: shave your chest.
Speaker 4: I don't shave.
Speaker 9: I get I ain't gotten.
Speaker 8: You trim your yeah, I do too. Yeah, I'm manscaped.
Speaker 6: You know what if I had, like if I had
Speaker 6: full full coverage I wear wolfs, I would let it go.
Speaker 8: Really, but I have like king beef hatch here.
Speaker 5: It gets here, gets around my nipples, and it gets
Speaker 5: around my belly, and then I don't have anything in here,
Speaker 5: and it just looks weird.
Speaker 9: So going to the doctor and they may give you something.
Speaker 8: Have you got not yet?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Not seriously, we're gonna start finding you were gonna start
Speaker 7: finding twenty five dollars all having a point.
Speaker 9: You know what we need to do though, talk about
Speaker 9: it between me.
Speaker 8: You're not gonna be able to find an appointment.
Speaker 9: Everybody go there, get some tape locking down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna take you to the doctor. I
Speaker 3: got a doctor.
Speaker 8: Yeah, dnap, I know where your doctor.
Speaker 9: Know the cocks. I'll be like Jesse, y'all know you.
Speaker 6: Hell y'all today? Good good, Yeah, already talks some football. Sure,
Speaker 6: we're talking Cowboys defense today.
Speaker 10: Yes's offense with the run defense.
Speaker 5: Run defense, lead us off, Kurt.
Speaker 4: No Jonathan Hankins. How you gonna, how you gonna?
Speaker 3: I'm with I'm with I'm with your boy. That is
Speaker 3: one of my biggest issues. As soon as the last
Speaker 3: game was over, I said, people, y'all know we have
Speaker 3: no Jonathan Hankins. And then and this is a bigger
Speaker 3: loss than vander Esh will ever be. This kid right here,
Speaker 3: he is a bigger loss because he kept the folks
Speaker 3: off of all linebackers. Vander Esh, this young young blood
Speaker 3: from our from Florida and m Marquis uh Clark, he
Speaker 3: is the one that leads this ship in the middle.
Speaker 3: And uh we need for Gallimore and the other two
Speaker 3: guys to step up. I mean, oh, so we need
Speaker 3: bigger bigger and more plays from you. Now, Uh, Mazzie,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna tell you to jump off side, but
Speaker 3: you gotta find a way to move quicker son, you know.
Speaker 5: So how can you work on that? Is it just repetition?
Speaker 9: It's a mental thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they got this stick another Seriously, they have a
Speaker 7: stick with a football and move it right. He should
Speaker 7: spend two hours in practice every day. Don't worry about practicing.
Speaker 7: Sco over to the side with a ga somebody and
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna do that hu hut all day long.
Speaker 6: Or when the guys are on the drugs machines for
Speaker 6: twenty minutes after practice.
Speaker 8: They should do that.
Speaker 5: Is that how you get better?
Speaker 6: Just repetition getting used to the ball? Movie thing is like,
Speaker 6: because I know you've.
Speaker 7: Been doing this all your life, Like to get off
Speaker 7: the ball, like it's one thing, Like this is the
Speaker 7: part where I don't give grace. It's one thing to
Speaker 7: give grace and saying you know what, he hasn't really
Speaker 7: he hasn't really equipped hisself yet with past rushing moves
Speaker 7: or understanding leverage or fully understanding keys to the offensive
Speaker 7: line and those the learning things. Getting off the ball
Speaker 7: that's like Jalen Tobert last year when he lined up
Speaker 7: off on off sides and Kadarius Tony that.
Speaker 8: Is ball one oh one.
Speaker 7: You are the closest man to the football outside of
Speaker 7: the center. You hear the You hear the like you
Speaker 7: can actually hear the quarterbacks say, Hutt, you're looking in
Speaker 7: at the football or at least have a peripheral peripheral
Speaker 7: ULX have that looking in at the at the football.
Speaker 7: I don't understand how you're consistently late off the ball
Speaker 7: like that. That to me, it just doesn't have to
Speaker 7: Like I got joked about it before, but is there
Speaker 7: actually And the reason why I say this, back when
Speaker 7: I was training receivers and tight ends coming out of
Speaker 7: the college into the NFL, I had a receiver at
Speaker 7: a tight end went to the second round pick to
Speaker 7: the Jets, Chase Arimo from Texas Tech, and I worked
Speaker 7: with I worked with Jason. One thing that I noticed
Speaker 7: it always seems as if the ball surprised him and
Speaker 7: like like he would go across the field like the
Speaker 7: ball would come and he was like he was jumping
Speaker 7: to catch the football.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, hey, bro, do you wear glasses? Like
Speaker 8: do you wear glasses.
Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, I got contacts, but I never put
Speaker 7: him in. I said, it makes sense. Now, you can't
Speaker 7: see the ball coming, so by the time you by
Speaker 7: the time your eyes actually pick up and track where
Speaker 7: the ball is at, it's surprising you. And so there
Speaker 7: may be something audibly or visually that he just I
Speaker 7: don't know what it is, but for him to consistently
Speaker 7: be late off the football, I'm almost to nae point.
Speaker 7: I'm almost if I'm Dad Quinn, I go, okay, kid,
Speaker 7: first ones on me. Go just when you think, just
Speaker 7: just jump up like just I want you to think
Speaker 7: about getting out of your stands so fast that if
Speaker 7: you jump off sides, the first one's on me. The
Speaker 7: first ones I'll take. But just focus on getting off
Speaker 7: the ball. And then once you get off the ball,
Speaker 7: just create havoc. Just go in there, guns a blazing
Speaker 7: and create as much havoc as you possibly can't, because
Speaker 7: if you get off the ball late, I don't care
Speaker 7: how strong you are, you're not going to defeat offensive
Speaker 7: lineman in this league.
Speaker 6: It was noticeable to me the last game, and for
Speaker 6: me to notice something on the football field, it's got
Speaker 6: to be a glaring issue, right right, sure, But I
Speaker 6: mean I noticed I wasn't even looking for it, but
Speaker 6: everyone else was moving. By the time he came up
Speaker 6: off the ground. I was like, Okay, that looks a
Speaker 6: little weird. Just talk about that on the show. So
Speaker 6: that's that's a it's a big deal if I notice it.
Speaker 7: And the first three players when Hankins went out, they
Speaker 7: wan roup the gut Philadelphia did first Peop play.
Speaker 8: And so it's on film. Yeah, it's on film.
Speaker 10: Is there anything they can do schematically to kind of
Speaker 10: fill that gap?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just got a foot on the sideline.
Speaker 10: So it's just a matter of where that player is
Speaker 10: gonna He has to do his job. There's no other way,
Speaker 10: Like you know, in no positions you can kind of
Speaker 10: help out here, there's no way to help.
Speaker 5: What's your option? Other option you don't have? Do you
Speaker 5: have another?
Speaker 7: You got Nevill Gallimore, you got the car Carl Davis.
Speaker 3: Yes, but he's more of a penetrator, reading on the run,
Speaker 3: penetrating getting across.
Speaker 9: His thing is opposite of the Mars. He is quick
Speaker 9: off the rock.
Speaker 4: You know, he's not as strong as the case.
Speaker 3: Never got him to show up, man, he has he
Speaker 3: what's all these guys.
Speaker 5: What's happened to Devil?
Speaker 9: It's just.
Speaker 3: They're trying to work in a young guy and Ozzie
Speaker 3: and uh and then Hankins just took over Osa shooting
Speaker 3: Osa and Hanks just took over.
Speaker 10: It dont seemed like he was breaking out and then
Speaker 10: he heard his YO. I don't know if he's ever
Speaker 10: quite in the same come back.
Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about your guy, Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: You know I was telling jesh Man, I'm telling Hurt.
Speaker 9: I'm like, I hate this guy. I hate him and
Speaker 9: I love him. I just don't know what to do
Speaker 9: with him.
Speaker 3: You know. It's just like a bad boyfriend or girlfriend
Speaker 3: or something. You know, you love him to death for
Speaker 3: what they do for you sometime, and you hate when
Speaker 3: they stray off on.
Speaker 5: What do you what? What?
Speaker 8: What do you think?
Speaker 11: Is?
Speaker 6: Because Kurt's favorite website, PFF has alan ranks second a month, quarterback,
Speaker 6: second and passing touchdowns, and seventh in yards, three four
Speaker 6: and forty seven, also has the most interceptions.
Speaker 9: That is the key.
Speaker 3: This guy will This guy will throw two interceptions in
Speaker 3: the first quarter and then spend the rest of the
Speaker 3: game making it up. So what causes that is I
Speaker 3: don't know, Jess, you looked at it sharp enough to know.
Speaker 9: I just think he's so confident in his own he
Speaker 9: thinks he can make.
Speaker 7: Every throws, you know the way I because sometimes I
Speaker 7: watch film, I try to say, Okay, Jess, what what
Speaker 7: catchy phrase can you put together?
Speaker 8: The color?
Speaker 7: Because I do a pregame show, I do a postgame show.
Speaker 7: I do these shows. So you try to always find
Speaker 7: something that kind of gives a good analogy and the
Speaker 7: analogy that I came up with yourself.
Speaker 8: No, this is.
Speaker 5: Sometimes he's come out sideways.
Speaker 8: No, because this is my hope.
Speaker 7: Not but but Josh Allen is a person who owns
Speaker 7: a bazooka but has bad gun safety, Like he just
Speaker 7: doesn't follow the gun rules right like he he he
Speaker 7: points it at you when he's not supported, and so
Speaker 7: he has an arm cannon. He has bad gun rules.
Speaker 5: Arguably the strongest arm in the league.
Speaker 7: Hands down, him and em and Patrick Mahomes probably have
Speaker 7: the two strongest arms in the league.
Speaker 8: Yes. Yes, The problem with Josh Allen is.
Speaker 7: When you hurry him, when you make Josh Allen kind
Speaker 7: of have happy feet, right when if he if he
Speaker 7: can stand in the pocket like he has all the intentnables,
Speaker 7: big strong arms. He'll look you off, you know, he'll
Speaker 7: see he can make every single throw. It's when Josh
Speaker 7: Allen gets sped up and you see, you see him
Speaker 7: kind of like he's moving. He he's like pump faking,
Speaker 7: he's doing all that kind of stuff. Because what happens
Speaker 7: is a guy will flash in the color of his
Speaker 7: uniform and in his mind he goes, I got it.
Speaker 7: I got a bozukah right, I got a bazooka. But
Speaker 7: he ain't worried about civilians. He just gonna shoot this
Speaker 7: bozuka and I see my guy down there.
Speaker 8: The hell with the civilians. I'm letting it go.
Speaker 7: And sometimes the collateral damage is the ball gets intercepted.
Speaker 5: Does he think that he can every throw, make the
Speaker 5: throw everything?
Speaker 6: He thinks that his receivers are good enough to go
Speaker 6: make the play both.
Speaker 7: He thinks that my arm and this is the arrogance
Speaker 7: of this is the arrogance of his greatness.
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers had this, Brett Favre.
Speaker 5: Had this, as we're speaking of, and he's on network.
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes, he has this right, and they believe that
Speaker 7: my arm is so talented because Brett Farvar is the worst. Right,
Speaker 7: Brett Farbill throw you win a game and at them
Speaker 7: and throw you out of the game, right, He'll have
Speaker 7: Brett Farkin had three hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns,
Speaker 7: four interceptions.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you don't know what side of the ledger go.
Speaker 7: It's great games, terrible game. You know, at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, you hope they win. But that's the
Speaker 7: thing about Josh Allen. He has this this this arm
Speaker 7: cannon and in the back of his mind, I can
Speaker 7: make every throw and I can fit it in there.
Speaker 8: I can, I can, I can, I can.
Speaker 7: I can put the the the I can eye the
Speaker 7: needle right, I can get that thread through there and
Speaker 7: really deliver the football. And you know what ends up
Speaker 7: happening is is that sometimes he's right and sometimes he's wrong.
Speaker 7: But the part that Nate's talking about is, while you
Speaker 7: hate a quarterback like this, no play is ever over none.
Speaker 7: So when you think you know normal principles for dB
Speaker 7: or linebacker or safety is all right, cool. We covered
Speaker 7: the initial one, two, three, you know, once two, three,
Speaker 7: under three for five, like the drop backs right one
Speaker 7: to three, Oh, we cover them under three for five.
Speaker 8: Oh, we covered it.
Speaker 7: You gotta cover three more seconds, four more seconds, because
Speaker 7: he's you're not just bringing them down by by by
Speaker 7: one guy a lot of times right, even in the
Speaker 7: grasp of a de tackle or defensive end, he still
Speaker 7: thinks I can make the throw even while he's in
Speaker 7: Like I said, he's in the pocket. And this is
Speaker 7: where he gets in trouble is because he'll get in
Speaker 7: the pocket and he'll get the scrambling and all of
Speaker 7: a sudden he'll lock in on the guy and his
Speaker 7: eyes will say like, here's where here we go like,
Speaker 7: and he'll try to he'll try to fire one in
Speaker 7: there and not realizing that there were other guys who
Speaker 7: were watching where your eyes were at and they intercept
Speaker 7: the football and so but you don't play you don't
Speaker 7: play proper containment. He'll take off and run. And he's
Speaker 7: not the type of quarterback if you think you hit
Speaker 7: him one time and he's gonna freeze up. No, No,
Speaker 7: he's not. He's tougher than your toughest quarterback. He's as
Speaker 7: athletic as any of your other He's as athletic as
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5: He's six five, two thirty seven.
Speaker 8: He's bigger than most of your DBS.
Speaker 5: Dak is six two two thirty eight.
Speaker 7: So he'll hurdle you, he'll jump over you, he'll he'll
Speaker 7: do whatever it is, whatever it takes to to to
Speaker 7: to make a play. And that's the thing, Like the
Speaker 7: play is never over with him, even when it should be.
Speaker 7: Even when it should be, Josh, just just throw it
Speaker 7: out of bounce, just let it just let's live to
Speaker 7: see another day. In his mind, I can I can
Speaker 7: fade out of bound like he did in a game
Speaker 7: and try to throw it like curve the bullet and
Speaker 7: throw it around the player. Like the play is never
Speaker 7: over with Josh Allen.
Speaker 6: So, just like Cowboys fans up until probably the last
Speaker 6: seven games of this season, Dak drives Cowboy fans crazy
Speaker 6: for various reasons.
Speaker 5: Josh Allen is probably driving the Bills fan base crazy
Speaker 5: for different reasons.
Speaker 8: If you're a Bills fan, you probably go through.
Speaker 5: Love hate.
Speaker 7: You know this is you go through this series. You
Speaker 7: go through this series at least twelve to fourteen times
Speaker 7: a game.
Speaker 8: You go no, no no no oh no no no.
Speaker 7: Okay, good play, good play, Yeah, like you go. You
Speaker 7: go through the roller coaster of emotions. Sometimes with Josh
Speaker 7: Allen because you'll go like, oh.
Speaker 5: He's caught.
Speaker 8: Oh no, he's not.
Speaker 7: Okay, go go go no, no, no, no, go touchdown Like
Speaker 7: that's that's the energy that you have to deal with
Speaker 7: with Josh Allen because you think he's caught, then he's not.
Speaker 7: You see him scramble and all of a sudden, now
Speaker 7: late down the field, here comes Gave Davis, Here comes
Speaker 7: Dalton Kincaid, Here comes Stefan Diggs, Here comes Shakir. I mean, oh,
Speaker 7: and by the way, once we lift everyone down the field, oh,
Speaker 7: we're gonna just drop the ball off to Dalvin's little brother,
Speaker 7: James Cook and now he gets it. They they they
Speaker 7: they throw to him purposefully to the running backs like
Speaker 7: this is this is an offense. By the way, even
Speaker 7: when watching this game, the games, you kind of you
Speaker 7: can't even go too far back because if you remember,
Speaker 7: they fired Ken Dorsey, They fired Ken Dorsey and they
Speaker 7: elevated Joe Brady. Joe Brady LSU you know, cup kid,
Speaker 7: he talking about you. He was the offensive coordinator at
Speaker 7: LSU win the Rise of Joe Burrow. Then he came
Speaker 7: to the league and he's been working in the league
Speaker 7: and now he's the offense coordinator. From there, you're gonna
Speaker 7: see a ton of pre snap motion, right, and those
Speaker 7: one of the things that's kind of hurt the Cowboys
Speaker 7: when you think.
Speaker 8: When you think pre snap, think San Francisco.
Speaker 7: A lot of motions you can you can, you can
Speaker 7: bet your bottom dollar that there's going to be a
Speaker 7: heavy amount of motion.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: You're gonna get the three receiver sets. They got Knox
Speaker 7: and Dalton Kincaid, right, two tight ends, so they're going
Speaker 7: to they stress shoes so much is because Gabe Davis
Speaker 7: is a weapon. We are We already know what Stefan
Speaker 7: Diggs is, the speed of chakor the ability of James
Speaker 7: cooked out of the backfield. And then you have Dalton Knox,
Speaker 7: you swim. You have a Dalton Kinkaid and Knox the
Speaker 7: two tight ends, so he has a ton of weapons
Speaker 7: to throw to and they have a decent a decent
Speaker 7: offensive line. This is a good football team. The seven
Speaker 7: is they're they're their roster. The playmakers they have are
Speaker 7: not indicative of the seven and six record. They're a
Speaker 7: better football team than seven and six.
Speaker 5: All right, let's take our first break.
Speaker 6: By the way, PFF has a Pro Football Reference has
Speaker 6: Dak's nickname is the Fortress.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard that the Fortress heard what I'm saying?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 7: Sometimes sometimes your people get a hold of stuff and
Speaker 7: they just ruin it.
Speaker 4: Your people people, give.
Speaker 5: Your people all right, We'll let me talk when we
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Speaker 6: move on, you mentioned offensive line, Nate, what are you
Speaker 6: seeing out of the offensive line or our defensive guy
Speaker 6: is gonna have their hands full.
Speaker 9: Of Oh yeah, these guys can run and they prefer
Speaker 9: to maul you. I don't know.
Speaker 3: If if that quarterback will hand the ball off enough
Speaker 3: to make it to make a difference, but they can
Speaker 3: run the ball.
Speaker 9: They can get ugly. I like the kid Cooks that
Speaker 9: you talk.
Speaker 3: About James, but he don't run tough enough for me. Now,
Speaker 3: he got a four point eight yard average, but and
Speaker 3: I guess he does it the way he does it.
Speaker 3: But Murray is his backup. If he just could run
Speaker 3: a little tougher, you know, a little bit harder, and
Speaker 3: he has a tendency and the biggest of moments to
Speaker 3: drop ball.
Speaker 9: In the big they.
Speaker 3: Will put him in a great I saw one game
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia where he beat a dude on a wheel route.
Speaker 3: I mean, this kid dropped the ball on him and
Speaker 3: he dropped it. And I saw him another time coming
Speaker 3: out of the backfield and I'm like, come on, Cooks,
Speaker 3: these are players that can make you.
Speaker 9: A difference maker.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of times guys just don't understand.
Speaker 3: Maybe he wanted to take off too soon or whatever. Man,
Speaker 3: get that ball in your hands. He's got talent, but
Speaker 3: I don't know how physical he is.
Speaker 8: You know, he's not.
Speaker 7: The physical back out of the two. You know, if
Speaker 7: you guys remember Latavious Murray, they called him the L Train.
Speaker 7: I spent a lot of time in UH and UH
Speaker 7: in Oakland when they were when they were the Oakland Raiders.
Speaker 7: He's the bigger of the two backs, so he's more
Speaker 7: he's more used as a guy to to to kind
Speaker 7: of display the physicality. Now he's a little bit longer
Speaker 7: in the tooth, right, he's an older guy, like no.
Speaker 8: Has been around.
Speaker 7: He's been around for a while, like he's thirty.
Speaker 8: In the Viking as well.
Speaker 7: And yeah, he's thirty three years old. So they use
Speaker 7: him sparingly, right. But the thing that about James Cook
Speaker 7: is what they do with him is yes, he'll run
Speaker 7: up in between the tackles, will run outside, but it's
Speaker 7: the it's the purposefulness that they'll use him in the
Speaker 7: passing game. You'll see him run some what they call
Speaker 7: Texans routes or choice routes out of the backfield. You'll
Speaker 7: see him run the screens. You'll see him run a
Speaker 7: scene he going to touchdown against the Chiefs right up
Speaker 7: the scene, right right up, I mean wide open. He
Speaker 7: was butt naked, wide open up the scene. You see
Speaker 7: him run rail routes up the sideline. So they use
Speaker 7: him in a way to you know, to to to
Speaker 7: to create mismatches. They do a really good job. And
Speaker 7: again under under Joe Brady, it's different. It's a different
Speaker 7: offense under Joe Brady than it is than it was
Speaker 7: under Ken Dorsey. And and you see a lot of
Speaker 7: it looks it looks ninerish. It looks a little bit
Speaker 7: it looks a little bit ninerish, the pre snaps, the setups.
Speaker 7: I think Josh Allen has more available options the way
Speaker 7: the players are being called now than he did when
Speaker 7: Ken Dorsey was calling the place.
Speaker 10: James Cook is fifth in running back receiving yards. Yeah,
Speaker 10: so that's pretty dangerous to get out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but this is if there's an area for the
Speaker 7: Cowboys defense where I'm like, cool, Glad we got this
Speaker 7: guy on our football team.
Speaker 8: It's Marquise Bell.
Speaker 7: It's having a linebacker now that can cover a guy
Speaker 7: like James Cook. You know, it's different than having LV
Speaker 7: you know, LVE or some other linebacker who is a
Speaker 7: traditional linebacker is kind of more so in the box.
Speaker 7: And and don't have to cover up the sideline. And
Speaker 7: again because you you may, you may get out there
Speaker 7: and cover him initially, right and you go, all right, cool,
Speaker 7: I'm done, And then all of a sudden, joh Alan
Speaker 7: brakes containment and you go, oh snap, I gotta cover
Speaker 7: him for fifteen more yards. And if you, if you,
Speaker 7: if you take a breath of let down, Josh Allen
Speaker 7: can make that throw. There isn't a throw that he
Speaker 7: can't make. I mean, you watch games. He's throwing underguy's arms,
Speaker 7: he's he's in the grasp of players throwing it.
Speaker 8: And you know, the.
Speaker 7: Off platform throws are part of just who he is
Speaker 7: and his his genetic makeup.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think he brought it up before a while back.
Speaker 10: I think Josh Allen's got a little revenge on his mind.
Speaker 6: You're referring to the Trayvon Diggs to eat about Stefan
Speaker 6: needed to get out of Buffalo.
Speaker 7: If Josh Allen is any it has any competitive nature
Speaker 7: in him, and I believe that he has at least
Speaker 7: a little bit of him. But I believe he has
Speaker 7: a whole lot of them that bothered him, that bothered him.
Speaker 8: He has that he was those tweets printed out.
Speaker 7: He has those tweets saved in his phone, maybe hanging
Speaker 7: up in his locker.
Speaker 5: Don't you wish Trayvon was playing this week?
Speaker 11: I do.
Speaker 8: It'd be so, I do.
Speaker 7: I do, But I do like in the in the
Speaker 7: in the in the land of petty that we live
Speaker 7: in today, like just as a universe, I could not.
Speaker 7: I could not think that Josh Allen does not have
Speaker 7: that in the forefront of oh oh. So this is
Speaker 7: what Trayvon thinks. Trayvon thinks that his brother is better
Speaker 7: off without me not being here, that his brother made
Speaker 7: me like, I just feel like you know that that
Speaker 7: is that is fueled. But there's also someone said the
Speaker 7: tweet the other day. It was when Buffalo beat the
Speaker 7: Cowboys a couple of years ago. It was those guys
Speaker 7: on the sideline mimicking decks, you know, his his warm up.
Speaker 7: So there is some competitive juices in here, some pettiness
Speaker 7: in here, and I think but to answer your question,
Speaker 7: your question, Kurt, one hundred percent, I do think.
Speaker 16: That Josh Allen will have that. Let me tell y'all,
Speaker 16: in his mind tell us talk to us. We all
Speaker 16: love us, Diggs, we love your daddy's son. We met
Speaker 16: Trayvon as you called him, boy Josh Allen on Big
Speaker 16: Brother Running Route.
Speaker 3: I promise you gonna eat him live. This kid, I
Speaker 3: hate him.
Speaker 5: I hate him Josh or.
Speaker 3: Josh Allen because Trayvon not human. Stephan did bring him
Speaker 3: up right with the quarterback coach that's this kid is
Speaker 3: missing that, and I'm glad he's missing that.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what Joe gonna do with him. I don't
Speaker 3: know what coach Brady gonna do with it. I don't
Speaker 3: know if he can connect with him. But if this
Speaker 3: guy stopped throwing interceptions and become aware not running too
Speaker 3: like I heard Brian talk about it, because I kept
Speaker 3: he's got his priorities mixed up, and Brian broke it
Speaker 3: down broad and said he runs too soon. He's always
Speaker 3: looking to run too soon instead of sometimes taking that
Speaker 3: second read slowing his feet down like you say, Jesse,
Speaker 3: he quit sometimes you know, slow down read, you know,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to and they say, like I'm
Speaker 3: with this kid, I am.
Speaker 9: This league lacks.
Speaker 3: Great quarterbacks, and he was on the trajectory. But now
Speaker 3: he's helped the skelter. I hope he hope he helped
Speaker 3: the skelter at three o'clock or four o'clock.
Speaker 9: You know, Sunday. But if he's not well, we were
Speaker 9: in for a fight.
Speaker 7: If he if he decides to be patient, like, that's
Speaker 7: what he gets. He gets in trouble when when when
Speaker 7: those feet get the moving and and he's he's kind
Speaker 7: of he's turned into an athlete instead of a quarterback,
Speaker 7: because he can be a quarterback who's athletic.
Speaker 8: But when he turned.
Speaker 7: Into a an athlete who can throw, that's when he
Speaker 7: gets in trouble, like and like, and that's the that's
Speaker 7: the juckleing hogh of who Josh Allen is is when
Speaker 7: he when he when he stands tall in that pocket
Speaker 7: and he's calm.
Speaker 6: So is the key to get pressure on him and
Speaker 6: get and get to him early and chirup at him.
Speaker 7: A bit yes and no no because here, because here's
Speaker 7: the thing. In order to get pressure means you gotta
Speaker 7: spend some man. The man covers in the back end.
Speaker 7: And so if you're gonna send pressure, you damn sure
Speaker 7: better get there. Don't miss, because again they have weapons
Speaker 7: Stefan Diggs is probably is in the conversation. For me,
Speaker 7: this is Jesse Holly for me as one of the
Speaker 7: top five route runners in the league.
Speaker 8: Right, he could run routes.
Speaker 7: And he's gonna and he is going to like he
Speaker 7: wants bragging rights for Little Bro too, like you know
Speaker 7: little Bron not playing, he wants to brag and right,
Speaker 7: he wants to let Little Bron.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 7: And if you were here, you would have got this too,
Speaker 7: Like I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do to them what
Speaker 7: was what was supposed to be done to you? So cool,
Speaker 7: so Gilly or or or or Bland, I'm gonna do
Speaker 7: to them what I should what you would have gotten
Speaker 7: Little Bro.
Speaker 8: Again.
Speaker 7: Khalil Shakur Shaki, I'm all. I've been a fan of
Speaker 7: Gave Davis for a while. Big target, you know, it
Speaker 7: makes big plays and then the tight ends. He has
Speaker 7: two really good tight ends that that you have to
Speaker 7: always keep keep an eye on.
Speaker 8: But if if you get there, you got you get there.
Speaker 7: Right and and and you you kind of rattle them
Speaker 7: a little bit, but you got to get home. You
Speaker 7: gotta get home because if you miss he gone, he gone,
Speaker 7: and and you know, you can look up and he'll
Speaker 7: he'll have thirty forty yards rushing from scrambles. So it's
Speaker 7: when you it's it's timely, It's be timely. If you
Speaker 7: watch the Kansas City game, Kansas City, they threw some
Speaker 7: timely blitzes at him, right, mix it up a little
Speaker 7: bit and when you blitz him, I think, if you're
Speaker 7: going to blitz him, blitz him more with skill guys,
Speaker 7: because you have to match the athleticism.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: So if I'm gonna blitz him'm gonna blitz him with
Speaker 7: Donovan Wilson, don't miss. I'm blitzing with jy Ron Cursed.
Speaker 7: I'm blitzing with Jordan Lewis off the edge. I want
Speaker 7: to blitzing where when he puts his foot in the
Speaker 7: ground or when he decides to do a little shimmy,
Speaker 7: that I can have a guy that matches the shimmy
Speaker 7: in with him, because if I blitz Clark, then that
Speaker 7: might get a little shaky, you know, if I blitz.
Speaker 9: I don't know about with jayvon Louis.
Speaker 3: The reason I say that because he is so strong
Speaker 3: that everything.
Speaker 7: Yes, But I'm just saying being able to match athleticism
Speaker 7: with athleticism, because if you send a big old stiff
Speaker 7: good luck could be bad.
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Speaker 6: Malik Hook battling that ankle injury, didn't practice yesterday, limited today?
Speaker 5: How much does that concern you guys if he's out
Speaker 5: against this team?
Speaker 3: What what is that guy's name? Yeah, we got him,
Speaker 3: We got we got guys.
Speaker 9: Good feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna say we're good. I'll ad just
Speaker 3: go a little bit more. But we have enough safeties,
Speaker 3: I think too.
Speaker 5: We got some depth this year.
Speaker 6: We got at every at every position right like you
Speaker 6: can you can absorb one, one or two of these
Speaker 6: as to where past years it's like, oh.
Speaker 3: This late in this season. It's good to have that depth.
Speaker 3: But I always try to caution people. Caution people, is
Speaker 3: the depth and talent ain't always the same, or the
Speaker 3: knowledge ain't always the same. So where coach Quinn has
Speaker 3: been perfect is he's been able to put guys in
Speaker 3: uh profitable situations where they can succeed. So you know,
Speaker 3: you don't want too many more bombed up ankles and
Speaker 3: you know, sprain hot sprains, like what's happening to the
Speaker 3: Hankins because we've finish find out fellas. Yeah, because like
Speaker 3: Jesse said, as soon as he went out, Mozzie got tested,
Speaker 3: and we would they would, you know, Gallamore will get tested,
Speaker 3: Mozzie will get tested. Those are the two guys you're
Speaker 3: depending on.
Speaker 7: So and anytime you have them start to go out, yes,
Speaker 7: now happens. You know, stress if he was playing sixty
Speaker 7: seventy percent of the reps, now that backup was used
Speaker 7: to playing thirty or forty percent of the reps. Now
Speaker 7: their workload doubles, right, and it's it's there's there's two
Speaker 7: sides to every story because the work lord could double
Speaker 7: and he can make double the plays, or the workload
Speaker 7: can double, and now there's more aerrors for him to
Speaker 7: make a mistake. And then once then now the guy
Speaker 7: who was backing up the backup moves to the backup
Speaker 7: and when he comes in, what can I do now?
Speaker 6: Because when he comes in for that thirty percent that
Speaker 6: he was getting a zero percent zero percent.
Speaker 7: And then now I'm so because the guy who's a third,
Speaker 7: who was third on the depth chart, who now moved
Speaker 7: up to second, he ain't getting that many He has
Speaker 7: not been getting that many reps in practice. So as
Speaker 7: a call as a play caller, especially in the trenches,
Speaker 7: does the guy now, when he's getting those thirty to
Speaker 7: forty percent reps?
Speaker 8: Can I make the same calls? Right?
Speaker 7: Can I make the same calls while he's in the game?
Speaker 7: And if I do, can he in those moments have
Speaker 7: success in the players that I called because he's not
Speaker 7: used to running these plays. He's not used to doing
Speaker 7: these things or playing this many snaps whoever it may be.
Speaker 7: So when you have to go to a backup, that's
Speaker 7: all the things that come into plays. Is this person
Speaker 7: or player ready to go out there and do what
Speaker 7: we need to do and being in the trenches at
Speaker 7: times you go the wrong way, it's a gaping hole
Speaker 7: and now that can be a big play. It's it's
Speaker 7: always those things when you go back and look at
Speaker 7: you go three or four players in that game, and
Speaker 7: that's where they come.
Speaker 3: From, and that that that mental that's that mental part
Speaker 3: where the smarter coaches are kind of leaning on the
Speaker 3: older vets, you know, at those at that third and
Speaker 3: fourth position, and always a young guy, somebody you drafted,
Speaker 3: a free agent, because as the season go on and
Speaker 3: you lose a player like Jesse saying, everybody elevates their
Speaker 3: time because that mental part, like you said, that mental
Speaker 3: part becomes so big too. Maybe that third guy sitting
Speaker 3: on your practice squad who I haven't been elevated all years. Hey, Shannon,
Speaker 3: we need you now because we need your mental part
Speaker 3: of the game, because we know you're gonna know where
Speaker 3: the lineup. Whereas a young guy, he'd be like, I'm excited,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit somebody, but you may hit the wrong guy.
Speaker 6: So when it comes to that, Jesse, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: You're the reps and can I make this play call?
Speaker 6: When it comes comes to those decisions as far as
Speaker 6: like making those calls, is that your position coach communicating
Speaker 6: with the decordinator and going or is that the decordinator
Speaker 6: making that call by himself.
Speaker 7: And our situation, it's it's a decordinator. And I say
Speaker 7: that because if we're talking specifically about the front, where
Speaker 7: have we always seen Dan Quinn when he's when he's
Speaker 7: not being a defensive coordinator, he worked with the D line.
Speaker 7: He down in the trenches, so he know like that
Speaker 7: that's his specialty. So he understands and knows who can
Speaker 7: do what, how much they can take on.
Speaker 8: You know, so it depends on.
Speaker 6: How how informed or how much knowledge your de coordinator
Speaker 6: has of your position.
Speaker 3: Right here, this is what makes dan Quinn unique. Coaching Belichick,
Speaker 3: coach Tomlin is their side of the football. They know
Speaker 3: because they almost they go out and work players out.
Speaker 3: And and if coach Harris can't come up to dan
Speaker 3: Quinn and say, hey, I want Shannon or I want Jesse,
Speaker 3: this is why I want Jesse and this is why
Speaker 3: I want Shannon. If you can't do that, Coach Quinn
Speaker 3: don't want you. He want to know what you can
Speaker 3: do and what he can possibly add to you. If
Speaker 3: you if you guessing on what a guy could do
Speaker 3: this late in the season, he ain't never coming off
Speaker 3: that practice squad.
Speaker 9: He's already designated for next year.
Speaker 3: They know what each one of these guys got an
Speaker 3: idea which one of these with each and every one
Speaker 3: of these guys can do. And talking to coach Quinn,
Speaker 3: I mean every time I talk to him, he's just like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I like this guy. They be looking for him. And
Speaker 3: next thing you know, somehow an injury by bah he's
Speaker 3: there and he's playing. So and that's another thing that
Speaker 3: sold him with the ownership. Is when he first got here,
Speaker 3: he told the ownership this is I got a plan
Speaker 3: for every one of your guys. That impressed him because
Speaker 3: a lot of coaches will tell you they got a plan.
Speaker 9: But when training camp start.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought you say that. Yeah, but he was
Speaker 3: good at breaking down talent. I mean that's a unique thing.
Speaker 3: A lot of coaches can't really break down talent and
Speaker 3: see them in what they who they can possibly be.
Speaker 3: And and more importantly, a lot of these guys have
Speaker 3: turned out just like he'd be predicted.
Speaker 4: Does anything about this Bill's offensive line?
Speaker 3: Worry about mallers man, if they if they get going,
Speaker 3: and just I asked you this, if they get going
Speaker 3: in the office according to Joe Brady and say hey,
Speaker 3: that's you know, let's you know, let's run this rock.
Speaker 3: We'll we'll the quarterback stick with it. We say, okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna run, but I'm.
Speaker 9: Gonna do most of the running.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: I would say that the left side of that line
Speaker 7: with the kid named Dawkins, one of our guys.
Speaker 8: McGovern yes that he was there till I saw the roster.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that left side of the line is is kind
Speaker 7: of there. If there's a side that the strength, it's
Speaker 7: that side.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So yeah so and Dion, when I say this, please
Speaker 7: don't go well, he's not.
Speaker 8: He's the he reminds me.
Speaker 7: He reminds me the physicalness, the attitude, the the violence.
Speaker 7: He reminds me of seventy one in San Francisco, Trent Right,
Speaker 7: he has that, he has that physical ability ability.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like he like he he he wants to. He
Speaker 8: wants to who's that? Who's this Dawkins, Dion Dawkins.
Speaker 3: He he he he wants Yeah, he.
Speaker 7: Wanted to get into a fight, like a real fight,
Speaker 7: Like he wants to fight in the sense of whatever
Speaker 7: you want to do now, going up against the talent
Speaker 7: like Michael Parsons. One of the things that helped what
Speaker 7: what you know what helped the guy like Tyron Smith
Speaker 7: early in his career, battling DeMarcus Ware every single day
Speaker 7: in practice? You know what helps a guy like Dion Dawkins.
Speaker 7: That prepares them for people like Michael Parsons. While Michael
Speaker 7: Parsons is a unique individual, Von Miller, Von Miller, Leonard
Speaker 7: Floyd right, going up against premier pass rushers day in
Speaker 7: and day out, that you can go into him. You know,
Speaker 7: von Miller puts on that passing past rushing clinic, right,
Speaker 7: so he knows all of the tricks to the trade.
Speaker 7: So to be able to walk across the locker room
Speaker 7: and go, hey, dog, I'm playing Michael Parson this week.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, so can we get some work?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: Like if Ars is like to do this, he's like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 7: So can can we work on that? And he can
Speaker 7: kind of go, you know, Leonard Floyd, can you can
Speaker 7: you hey, can you show me this?
Speaker 5: They can emulate those guys, yeah.
Speaker 8: And so he gives them an opportunity to get some
Speaker 8: work in practice.
Speaker 3: Leon I'm playing against this guy. And Charles, I'm playing
Speaker 3: against this guy.
Speaker 9: You need some work? Okay, I'll like, you know what, man,
Speaker 9: I'll wait to the game.
Speaker 7: So, but that left side is their strong side of
Speaker 7: the line. And if they're going to run the football,
Speaker 7: and that's gonna be Michaeh Like Micah is gonna have
Speaker 7: to he's gonna have to commit himself to saying if
Speaker 7: they're gonna run this way, that I have to be
Speaker 7: a run stopper first, and then that will give me
Speaker 7: an opportunity or the privilege, as Dan Quinn says, to
Speaker 7: pass rushing.
Speaker 3: And I agree one hundred there, brother, because it's gonna
Speaker 3: come a point. He It's no doubt Parsons is an
Speaker 3: elite past rushing. But I wish somebody can get to
Speaker 3: him and say, bro, if you ever get that run
Speaker 3: stopping ability, how can you be stopped? If he ever learns,
Speaker 3: I mean, now, he don't have to because he's gonna make.
Speaker 8: Me about get ready to be the highest paid.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be hard to tell a dude who got
Speaker 7: the biggest contract but.
Speaker 3: Me who will played against uh top real what I
Speaker 3: call complete players. They they did it equal and they
Speaker 3: were good at it, and they made plays in the
Speaker 3: run to change games, and they made plays in the past.
Speaker 3: And if Michael, and as much as we love him exactly,
Speaker 3: but what what if Michael start hitting you in the
Speaker 3: backfield on some runs. What would the offensive coordinator think?
Speaker 3: Then now you cut down that side of the field.
Speaker 3: I remember when coach and Andrew was here. He used
Speaker 3: to be so fearful. You know, it is a man
Speaker 3: of Christ, a man of God. He feared man over
Speaker 3: the He was like, we can't run that play over there.
Speaker 3: We ain't when you get like that, you can now
Speaker 3: you can stack you outside of your defense and like
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do. It's like them you know the world.
Speaker 3: What do you say the ocean covers two thirds of
Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, I mean, come on, man, good stuff.
Speaker 4: Else?
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, staff, Thank you, Kirk.
Speaker 6: Cowboys are twenty second and d zone defense at fifty
Speaker 6: eight point eight percent, and Buffalo has the second rated offense.
Speaker 5: In the red zone at sixty six point seven.
Speaker 8: So tight end and Davis telling you keep them.
Speaker 5: Keep them out of the twenties, keep them out of
Speaker 5: the twenties. Could be trouble.
Speaker 9: All right, fellas, good game.
Speaker 6: Tomorrow, be fun phone Friday. Let's take some calls, let's
Speaker 6: get some predictions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why wouldn't we because I'm thinking, if it's about
Speaker 3: the fans, we're really gonna be about the fans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right off the car. Are you going to
Speaker 5: be hurt?
Speaker 12: Kurt?
Speaker 5: Don't even send a rundown tomorrow. Just do calls, because
Speaker 5: if you do a rundown and we'll try to get it,
Speaker 5: I might.
Speaker 8: Not be here tomorrow.
Speaker 9: Come on, man, where are you going? Come on, bro,
Speaker 9: we talk after the show.
Speaker 5: This good stuff. Ella Kurt, good seeing Jesse. Good seeing you, Nate,
Speaker 5: thanks for being here, going to the doctor.
Speaker 8: I want tomorrow.
Speaker 5: By tomorrow, I can promise you that.
Speaker 6: Chris, thanks to keep us on the air. Yes, thanks
Speaker 6: for keeping Chris company. Josh, thank you for keeping us
Speaker 6: up on the socials. We will be back tomorrow with
Speaker 6: prediction and phone calls.
Speaker 5: On all phone calls.
Speaker 9: Jes won't be here.
Speaker 8: You can talk tomorrow, Collus, you can't.
Speaker 5: Bye bye.
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