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Speaker 1: the Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought Us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones and it's time for another
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys the off Season Variety. And there
Speaker 1: is so much to talk about since we convene on
Speaker 1: a weekly basis here now during the off season. Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Brian brought Us has returned this week. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, good to be back. Good to have you back,
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And you've been back on the airwaves though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Thursday I tricked everybody into listening to a draft show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there that time of the year again. We're trying. We're
Speaker 1: trying at the big old laptop computer here. Hey, you
Speaker 1: never know when someone's going to call in from France
Speaker 1: or Germany or one of these places Italy, you know,
Speaker 1: and ask a draft question. I don't want to sound
Speaker 1: like a complete jackass. You have all your draft information
Speaker 1: on that computer. I know what I've I've I've worked
Speaker 1: on about one hundred and seventeen guys already, one hundred seventeen.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the three hundred. Never be the
Speaker 1: same level as Dan Dane Burglar, but I will. I
Speaker 1: will work my best. Where's your book? You know what,
Speaker 1: first round pick this year? We're not going to do
Speaker 1: a book. That's a b I bought a green notebook
Speaker 1: and I've decided I'm going to put it on my
Speaker 1: iPad and there you go until that iPad gets stolen
Speaker 1: or you could charge it alls out. I think I've
Speaker 1: got an app that I like and I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and do it on my iPad. You've stead of
Speaker 1: the green notebook, you adopted the new school scouting methods. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's interested in drafting short quarterbacks. That's where we become
Speaker 1: on that topic. Driving in every sports talk show I
Speaker 1: listened to and there were four of them driving and
Speaker 1: they were talking about Kyler Murray this morning. Good for him,
Speaker 1: I gotta have something to talk about, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: And just imagine how much we're people are going to
Speaker 1: be talking about that for the next well and is
Speaker 1: it two and a half months, whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: draft day, he's gonna go the combine. We'll see if
Speaker 1: he throws. He's going to get the interview with the people.
Speaker 1: Robin I'll be at the combine kind of hanging out.
Speaker 1: He'll be up on that podium. I'm sure Rob will
Speaker 1: Farmer question or two sure about his days at Texas
Speaker 1: A and him and why he was unable why he
Speaker 1: was unable to do as good as at Texas and
Speaker 1: him as he was in Oklahoma. Yeah, what clicked for
Speaker 1: you when you're daft? Yeah, but it's the problem with
Speaker 1: my alma mater. Well, he stand up on his tippy
Speaker 1: toes when so measure it. Just Mike Nicky's got short jokes.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, though, He is going to test.
Speaker 1: He's going to test guys that are scouts that are
Speaker 1: my age and the new scouts. He's gonna the new
Speaker 1: scouts are gonna love this guy. We just talked about
Speaker 1: this way. And the old man scouts are gonna you know,
Speaker 1: the guys that are like the old New York Giant
Speaker 1: scouts that had height and weight, speed charts and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. You know, there's no way he can. You
Speaker 1: can't draft a five nine quarterback. But then you watch
Speaker 1: him play and you go, oh my gosh, this guy's
Speaker 1: got a lot of ability, you know, but that's it's Hey,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, it's just as easy to bust
Speaker 1: on Blake Bortles as it is to bust on this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, you could talk about prototypical quarterbacks and if
Speaker 1: you don't have the right environment and the right leadership
Speaker 1: and the right coaching and the right heart and the
Speaker 1: right ability, you know, you're gonna probably be a bust.
Speaker 1: So that guy changed my mind to at Cleveland a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, that guy changed my mind. What you
Speaker 1: can do to come into a program and change it around. Well,
Speaker 1: the other part of it is when you look at
Speaker 1: who's got the first pick in the draft? Yeah, and ammunition,
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, if you Okay, I know you probably
Speaker 1: haven't studied Kyler Murray. Oh. I was watching a guarded
Speaker 1: Oklahoma today, you know. I was watching or Samia or
Speaker 1: Samia is a good player by the Powers. I was
Speaker 1: watching Powers today. And I'm sorry, Micky, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to turn this into draft talk. No, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna help you guys out because Michael Bidwell said that
Speaker 1: they're committed to Rosen are they? Now? You can say
Speaker 1: anything that my Questionruary twelve, Remember tough, it is Lincoln's birthday, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are they being honest when they say that I don't birthday?
Speaker 1: But his comment was this is great stuff for talk radio.
Speaker 1: Well and you are going to sing Josh Rosen's praises?
Speaker 1: Sure so much? Right now? Yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: at the risk of talking Cardinals real quick. I just
Speaker 1: report from Adam Schefter is that he's hiring the same
Speaker 1: agent as Cliff Kingsbury's agent. Yeah. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: part of the you read the tea leaves and hummmm
Speaker 1: interesting Eric Eric Burkhart, Yeah, a local guy, and he
Speaker 1: could be throwing stuff out there for him. Try to
Speaker 1: see how much somebody will give him for that first
Speaker 1: pick in the draft, or for Josh Rosen, Yeah, or
Speaker 1: for Josh Rosen? Bill, Where did you have Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: in your quarterball last year? I wasn't that high on him.
Speaker 1: He um tora and him up. Yeah, but you weren't. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Was that? Was he you? Sail? Yes? So
Speaker 1: where did you have him? I had him? I liked him.
Speaker 1: I thought he was my second best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: draft I had last year. I thought he was that
Speaker 1: guy at Atlanta. I thought he was Matt Ryan. When
Speaker 1: I watched Matt Ryan as a young man at Boston College,
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing of this kid. The way
Speaker 1: he played, the way he looked, the way he carried himself,
Speaker 1: carried himself. He's a he's a privileged guy, you know.
Speaker 1: And so people say, well, he hadn't had his butt kicked,
Speaker 1: you know, and hadn't had his teeth chipped and all
Speaker 1: those things like that, but uh, you know, he watched
Speaker 1: the way he throws the football. But hey, the guy
Speaker 1: did show some toughness because he did take some hits.
Speaker 1: Yeah they didn't they didn't take, but mean they I was.
Speaker 1: I was impressed by him. Again, I thought Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: when I watched him playoff, thought this guy's Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: the way he plays. And so, you know, I'm never
Speaker 1: right about quarterbacks, but you know, he's the one guy
Speaker 1: when you start talking about comparisons of what guys look like,
Speaker 1: that's what I physically thought of with this guy. But
Speaker 1: if you're the Arizona Cardinals and you got a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff and Kingsbury obviously likes Kyler Murray, he high
Speaker 1: recruited him first to Texas A and M and then
Speaker 1: to Texas Tech. Surely. Yeah, And I just don't know
Speaker 1: how much pull a Cliff Kingsbury's gonna have with well,
Speaker 1: what's the average age of their coach their scouting department? Yeah,
Speaker 1: be a factor. I don't know. I mean, you want
Speaker 1: to help the coach. You are as you can. You
Speaker 1: are hiring him strictly because of what he can do
Speaker 1: with offenses and quarterbacks specifically, So if you want to
Speaker 1: let him go to work, maybe you let him make
Speaker 1: that pick. I don't know. He needs to come out
Speaker 1: and talk about Rosen. He needs to come out and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see that the combine. This will be a
Speaker 1: first opportunity he'll he'll stand at the podium and Rob
Speaker 1: will ask him a question about that. You know, you
Speaker 1: know your your thoughts about Rosen, and you know say,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we're committed to Rosen and Mickey's right
Speaker 1: right now as we talk on February twelfth. Be interested
Speaker 1: to see though, if one of those teams do step up?
Speaker 1: Does does the New York Giants step up? You know
Speaker 1: the Giants step up and say okay, we'll get we're
Speaker 1: in the sixth hole here, Jacksonville. Yeah, we'll go to
Speaker 1: the well, you know, we'll you know, maybe we'll let
Speaker 1: you you know, we'll drop let you drop down and
Speaker 1: take that guy, that kind of thing. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is another team. Yeah, that skin they're going to
Speaker 1: look at a quarterback that that has physical Tom Coughlin
Speaker 1: again from the Giants system. He implements a lot of
Speaker 1: those name scouting principles for Jacksonville. Right, So you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a couple of teams there that are not
Speaker 1: particularly going to be looking at a short quarter But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, is that if they like Rosen,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you trade, you say, okay,
Speaker 1: we will you know, does take yeah exactly? Does Rosen
Speaker 1: cost somebody the sixth of the eighth overall pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where Cardinals can take Murray wherever he falls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe you know, and if he if they felt
Speaker 1: like he would be there at six or eight, they
Speaker 1: take Bossa at one. Yeah. You know, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that don't feel like that, that they
Speaker 1: feel like and this is again guys I'm working with
Speaker 1: on the draft in general managress and if I'm talking.
Speaker 1: They're talking about the first ten twelve picks being defensive players. No,
Speaker 1: no running back, no wide receiver, no tie it end,
Speaker 1: no quarterback, no quarterback. Yeah, so they're talking about this
Speaker 1: being very heavy. And if you look at two, the
Speaker 1: Simmons kid, you know, there's reports now the def of
Speaker 1: tackle from Mississippi State is tore up his knee. So
Speaker 1: get ready, cowboy fans at fifty eight. So let's just
Speaker 1: cut to the chase. Yeah, take take Simmons. Would you
Speaker 1: take Kyler Murray with the first pick in the draft?
Speaker 1: They took Johnny Man, and they took that guy last
Speaker 1: year first pick in a little different though a little
Speaker 1: differently how different He's not five nine, he's six foot,
Speaker 1: you know, and close souter and he's a little different
Speaker 1: to me. And you're absolutely right, Brian. I think offenses
Speaker 1: have changed. It's more they're implementing more of the college game. Sure,
Speaker 1: but it tells if he goes that high, it tells
Speaker 1: me a lot about the state of the league and
Speaker 1: how so many teams are trying to find that guy.
Speaker 1: So you'd take them? No, I have reservations about how
Speaker 1: many guys that small have been franchise quarterbacks. Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: he's tick under six orco. He's probably thrust. Wilson's won
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. A couple of super Bowl winning quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Booty bounce around three inches taller. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they Field's taller than that Bill. You've seen him both play.
Speaker 1: Take them. I take back last year at this time
Speaker 1: I said I'd take I'd take Baker Mayfield number one.
Speaker 1: You did and you I did it, would do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that was even closer to the draft. Oh, that
Speaker 1: was right on top of the draft. And um, the
Speaker 1: the reservations that I have on Murray are more so
Speaker 1: more so on the height. No is He's only got
Speaker 1: one real year of plan and as opposed to Mayfield,
Speaker 1: had a lot more experience, a lot more snaps than
Speaker 1: what both transfer. And I said this off air, I
Speaker 1: think Murray's got more talent than may be right, and
Speaker 1: my judgment might cloud watching him arm talent. Half first
Speaker 1: pick I would take if I'm Arizona, I'd take Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray with the first pick. You know what they know?
Speaker 1: Because I like the other I like the quarterback that
Speaker 1: I drafted last year. I'm gonna make it work. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him with the first pick. No basing on
Speaker 1: who what I got currently on my team, and I'm
Speaker 1: and I'm basing it on whom my coach it who
Speaker 1: I decide. If they're crazy enough to hire Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: as the head coach, then they're crazy enough to draft
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I think, Yeah, I think they hired Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: Don't you think though they hired him with the idea
Speaker 1: of this guy can help Rosen. That's that's why I
Speaker 1: think they hired him. Absolutely, I do. You don't think
Speaker 1: they thought that Kyler Murray would be that By the way,
Speaker 1: that's the other part of about his money. Who is
Speaker 1: surprised that Kyler Murray picked football over baseball? I mean
Speaker 1: what the Oakland A's are sitting there acting like they're
Speaker 1: shocked that he's not showing up today for spring training.
Speaker 1: There has not been any evidence whatsoever that Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: has been in a batting cage in the last month,
Speaker 1: much less the last seven months. And I'm sorry, you
Speaker 1: cannot show up for spring training if you haven't been
Speaker 1: practicing baseball and like, but was he really going to
Speaker 1: play for the a As To start out with? Yeah, Kyler,
Speaker 1: but still not act like Kyler. Murray couldn't go pick
Speaker 1: up a bat right now. No, but you ivenes, No,
Speaker 1: there's no way he would really know what I mean. No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the other part of it. He
Speaker 1: only played one year, which is about three months of
Speaker 1: college baseball. Yeah, I mean he was a pinch runner
Speaker 1: last what year before last? That was always used, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden this last year you get
Speaker 1: picked ninth overall. Then Bill because his talent, I think
Speaker 1: he's what do you get he had a he had
Speaker 1: a terrific year and he hit clean up last spring,
Speaker 1: but the year before he barely played. He would use
Speaker 1: as a pinch runner. What do you get from the
Speaker 1: as to sign point seven million? Yeah, the A's have
Speaker 1: only given him one point two million of it right now,
Speaker 1: So you know, if he stu he was due the
Speaker 1: other part of it, and March first, he was to
Speaker 1: the other three point one. I think if he thinks
Speaker 1: he's got a shot to be the number one pick
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft, then it's fine. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: aside for the money doesn't matter. It's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: As far as if even if Oakland he decided probably
Speaker 1: where do they give out the Heisman Trophy? Now, I
Speaker 1: mean he would That night he decided the Downtown Athletic Club,
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, yeah, be on the Heisman committee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want that job. I want to I want to
Speaker 1: CBS jacket with the the you know, the peacock eye
Speaker 1: on your omo. Yeah, I wanted that, or a Orange
Speaker 1: Bowl Bowl game jacket orange with the bowl getting the
Speaker 1: other logo on it. And then I also want to
Speaker 1: be on the Heisman committee. But the possible. The A's
Speaker 1: were looking for publicity, right ninth, Well, what do you
Speaker 1: mean don't you don't waste the ninth pick in the
Speaker 1: draft on a well baseball draft Bob Hayes in the
Speaker 1: twelfth round or something like that during that many years
Speaker 1: is you're gonna spend in Fresno? Okay, when did Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson get drafted? He was a late pick, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one thing. Right, you draft a guy like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted Pat Riley, you're gonna you're gonna draft a
Speaker 1: center fielder that doesn't hit for power and might hit
Speaker 1: three hundred. You don't do it this fun In the
Speaker 1: ninth pick of and the Oakland A's had no idea
Speaker 1: that he would have the season that he had as
Speaker 1: a football player. They let him play. They had they
Speaker 1: had seen him play at Texas A and L. That
Speaker 1: shows you they're bad evaluate They had the same opinion
Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray that Rob Phillips had going into last season.
Speaker 1: I'm clouded by that because he hadn't seen him failed
Speaker 1: at Texas A and L. I went him. I saw
Speaker 1: him play at half against Alabama at Kyle Field and
Speaker 1: they couldn't move the ball, And I thought, Um, maybe
Speaker 1: you're a bad evaluator. Right, maybe I am, but you're
Speaker 1: like me. Or maybe maybe they did a better job
Speaker 1: of coaching him at OU. Are they stuck with him? Well?
Speaker 1: He left? Yeah, he quit. Yeah, well because he didn't
Speaker 1: like the way it's it's kind of it's kind of
Speaker 1: been now and he kind of a quitterman. And the wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: he he's quit baseball, he quit college, he's quit everything.
Speaker 1: So far, all the decisions have been good. He's following
Speaker 1: the money. He's gonna get more money doing this. You
Speaker 1: think his dad's involved here, Sure, if dad's kind of
Speaker 1: pushing him along. He goes to the Raiders and then
Speaker 1: does both. Yeah, how about Tyler's double play. Here you go.
Speaker 1: But the A's aren't going to Vegas, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. You get a new stadium though, Yeah, good
Speaker 1: for them, yep. Him. Along those lines though, of picking quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I think if you can relate it back to Cowboys situation,
Speaker 1: if you want, if you had an opportunity, even though
Speaker 1: you picked the with the tenth pick in the draft
Speaker 1: last year, a quarterback, but you in your scouts feel
Speaker 1: like this quarterback is better than that quarterback and you
Speaker 1: can get something in return for that quarterback that you
Speaker 1: drafted last year. Well, yeah, but great the position. That's true,
Speaker 1: But a lot of it is coaching. Like Brian said
Speaker 1: about Jared Goff, he looked like a potential bust. After
Speaker 1: you're one, they bring in Sean McVay and he fixed it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're hiring Cliff Kingsbury to come in
Speaker 1: and be a quarterback whisper, maybe you stick with your investment.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's going to depend on how
Speaker 1: much he loves this kid. You know, we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Those were Bidwell's words. They were what Bidwell basically said,
Speaker 1: would he Michael Bidwell? Right? Bidwell right, that's why we
Speaker 1: got Klingsbury because we wanted him. And he said during
Speaker 1: the interview that the first thing Klingsbury said, and he
Speaker 1: said to Kingsbury, Kingsbury, I said, klings Clint Klinger right.
Speaker 1: Everybody Yes. During the interview, he was the only head
Speaker 1: coach candidate they interviewed that said bring the tape out.
Speaker 1: We'll break it down on him, meaning rosen Man, Bill's
Speaker 1: not believe in any of those Why wouldn't the coach
Speaker 1: say that of other coaches they interviewed. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: tried to get the job, aren't you. Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: fix that guy. That's the first question if if they
Speaker 1: had a coaching change here would have been could you
Speaker 1: help could you help Dak Prescott? How are you going
Speaker 1: to help da Prescott? Absolutely, that would have been the
Speaker 1: first question I think that the owner and general manager
Speaker 1: would have asked. Because the Cowboys are a year or
Speaker 1: less away from all right, how much are we paying him?
Speaker 1: You know? How much are we committing to Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: down the line. So it's a huge investment. Cask you
Speaker 1: guys a question real quick. Build we have to go
Speaker 1: to break you know what. My answer to that would
Speaker 1: have been, what my question. Yeah, no, the question you
Speaker 1: were poison posing about how can you help Dak Prescott? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh I know this answer. This would have been the
Speaker 1: time I would have said, well, let's be Dak friendly
Speaker 1: and get him some damn wide receivers. Yeah, and don't
Speaker 1: let him get sacked fifty six times. That was your
Speaker 1: best reason. By the way, if you're in a situation,
Speaker 1: if you're Dak Prescott and Jason Garrett, now you kind
Speaker 1: of look at each other and have a meeting and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, they don't like either one of us us.
Speaker 1: They're not too happy with either one of us right now?
Speaker 1: Do you think they have that conversation? Who's they they
Speaker 1: being Jason Garrett and Dak Presson? I know who's who's
Speaker 1: not happy with him? Well? Safe for the front office.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you talk about just the contract extent,
Speaker 1: and we don't know about press Scott. We know what
Speaker 1: the what's going on with Jason Garrett. But if you're
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, what's going on? What's going on? Yeah? That
Speaker 1: he doesn't have an extension yet, Okay, so what does
Speaker 1: he have to do to get it in its extension?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he won the division this year
Speaker 1: and won a playoff and won a playoff game, and
Speaker 1: he still didn't get an extension. So what's he got
Speaker 1: to do? I don't know. Maybe the super Bowl. No,
Speaker 1: No one's asked Jerry that has it. No, he's got
Speaker 1: to go further than he's ever gone. I feel like
Speaker 1: you have to progress at some point. Jerry hasn't wanted
Speaker 1: to discuss it either. He's been asked, Yes, he's avoided it.
Speaker 1: He he hasn't wanted to talk about Garrett's contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's been asked about the subject, and there hasn't
Speaker 1: been a lot of discussion about. He wants to keep
Speaker 1: it in house and that's his absolute right. So everybody's guessing, then, no,
Speaker 1: we're not he's not getting an extension. No, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's not getting an extension. We don't know
Speaker 1: what he has to do to do an extension that
Speaker 1: he obviously more than he's done. When more than two
Speaker 1: playoff games in his career, you know, he's won three
Speaker 1: in the last five. Every time. Again, I've tried to
Speaker 1: fire him. He's won a division, But I mean that's
Speaker 1: that to me. I'm I'm from the school of you know,
Speaker 1: keep everybody together one more time. See what happens, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, obviously they've got other plans. I think he
Speaker 1: has to get off the roller coaster to earn the extension. Well,
Speaker 1: the roller coaster is make sure people will say he
Speaker 1: was the reason why they were three and five up
Speaker 1: and down, up and down, and and he's there's no,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to extend him right now. So let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and see what happens and what the trend
Speaker 1: has been. This is the roller coaster, This is the
Speaker 1: roller coasters going. This is when we're screaming going down
Speaker 1: the hill. How many screaming going down the hill? Right now?
Speaker 1: We need to get back up to where at least
Speaker 1: we're on level playing. Okay, so what is that, Well,
Speaker 1: that would be up at least dupe. They haven't had
Speaker 1: a back to back there is yet? How come? All right,
Speaker 1: there's been there's there have been issues that have affected
Speaker 1: the roster. Romo got hurt in twenty fifteen, goes down,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. If it goes down,
Speaker 1: it's still it's over. But you know, in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: a fourth round draft pick ledge to thirteen wins, So
Speaker 1: you know you can kind of look at it two
Speaker 1: different ways. That was good. You were the one team
Speaker 1: that is into history that had first round through the
Speaker 1: bye or had number one seat through the playoffs and
Speaker 1: didn't didn't make it. I mean, things happen. You know,
Speaker 1: Nick Foles won the Eagles the Super Bowl, you know,
Speaker 1: So you can't always look at it and say, well,
Speaker 1: we lost this guy and this guy and that's the reason,
Speaker 1: because this team has overcome that before twenty sixteen was
Speaker 1: I mean, what were we thinking when Romo broke his
Speaker 1: back that August? Oh? No, yeah, I mean I was
Speaker 1: in a broadcast booth with Brad Sham. We were worried.
Speaker 1: But trust me, but they did go thirteen and three. Yes,
Speaker 1: but they didn't win a playoff game. No, so that
Speaker 1: dismisses thirteen in three. It doesn't dismiss it. Like mill said,
Speaker 1: it's roller coaster. It's sustained playoff success, not necessarily half.
Speaker 1: Romo got hurt and somebody decided they needed to trade
Speaker 1: for Matt Castle. Well, we've had this discussion. I don't
Speaker 1: think Brandon Weeden was this game to the playoffs. It
Speaker 1: was a roller coaster. It has been a roller coaster.
Speaker 1: You're coaster it's just you're sitting over there. Why why
Speaker 1: didn't end up nine and seven in twenty seventeen because
Speaker 1: they decided to play the last game debate seven? Okay,
Speaker 1: So what if they had gone eight and eate? Why
Speaker 1: did that happen? Because he didn't want to be eight
Speaker 1: and eight? That would have been that eight. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying if they had gone eight and eight, why
Speaker 1: did that? Oh? Okay? But but you heard what twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen though, we there's there wasn't an excuse to be
Speaker 1: made about Tony Romo because Dak Prescott had the best
Speaker 1: quarterback rookie season ever. Put him to the street. My point,
Speaker 1: Dak was better than Matt Castle and Brandon We absolutely
Speaker 1: he's better than those, Okay, So that's why twenty fifteen happened.
Speaker 1: Otherwise they would have been three years in a row
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Zeke help too, But I'm saying, gotta
Speaker 1: win eventually. I think I think I'm not dismissing anything
Speaker 1: they've accomplished. I'm just saying there's there's they've dealt with
Speaker 1: adversity well, and then they haven't at times. You know,
Speaker 1: they've lost guys and they've had success and other times
Speaker 1: they have. I think maybe have they been patient with
Speaker 1: this guy? To you? By NFL standards and coaching and
Speaker 1: professional coaching standards, have they been patient with Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's go. Want to start from the beginning. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, by NFL stiff question, what time could teams?
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Question? So shouldn't they have been to
Speaker 1: the playoffs in twenty eleven years? Just a simple question.
Speaker 1: I just explained what happened to it? Okay, Now, I
Speaker 1: think I think they've been more inpatient with this guy.
Speaker 1: If you look in the overall picture of what and
Speaker 1: what coaches have had to deal with, I mean I
Speaker 1: think they have. Can I just call by this shirt
Speaker 1: because it feels like he box me in a corner there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Jason Garrett a quick feat. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit for being the leader of
Speaker 1: this football team and help digging them out of a
Speaker 1: three and five hold. They He might have been the
Speaker 1: reason why they were there too. Okay, Well, they needed
Speaker 1: to go get a receiver, we know that. But this
Speaker 1: team never quits under him. I really do continue to fight,
Speaker 1: and you're right about that. Turned this whole thing around
Speaker 1: and he deserves credit for bringing a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys here too. Yes, yes, I give him credit for that.
Speaker 1: It's a really good value. I'm not trying to rip
Speaker 1: the head coach. I'm not. I'm just saying I'm really
Speaker 1: making Bill's point and that they have had up and
Speaker 1: down success and maybe that's what it's going to take.
Speaker 1: Is they're trying to be that team that gets to
Speaker 1: the playoffs every year and puts themselves in position. They
Speaker 1: haven't the final results. They haven't done it. I think
Speaker 1: Jerry might be looking at this as okay, last two
Speaker 1: years two year Coaches Bowls. He likes the fact that
Speaker 1: there are everyone's kind of on a playing and coaching
Speaker 1: playing on that basically going into a contract year that
Speaker 1: um that motivates people. Jason's done it before. Twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: right last year of his deal, got him to the
Speaker 1: second round. Yep, got a contract extension. What happened in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, I don't know. Wasn't here tell me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sabbatical. I don't believe. Tony Romo played the
Speaker 1: final game of the season, got hurt and Kyle Orton win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they tried to win a game against Philadelphia that would
Speaker 1: have got him in. I think yeah, late happened right well,
Speaker 1: the last the last series. Yeah, when they had a
Speaker 1: chance to go down and score, and I was watching
Speaker 1: win the game. I think we're past the point of
Speaker 1: defending him though, Mickey and I I'm not emotion No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at your apps. You're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to read Jerry's mind. Me too, I'm
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Speaker 1: Garrison mentioning the great Bob Stoops before we went to
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Speaker 1: that Bob Stoops is the coach of the Dallas XFL
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Boomer sooner. How old is Bob Stoops now?
Speaker 1: He is fifty eight years old? Bad? No, I mean
Speaker 1: Parcells took this job when he was about sixty, right,
Speaker 1: can't Where were you going with that question? You threw
Speaker 1: out the name considering the XFL doesn't kick off until
Speaker 1: a year from now February, to say the Cowboys start
Speaker 1: two and five? You know, does he even coach at
Speaker 1: all for the XFL or So that's basically my question. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: John Kitten was the OC for the San Diego Fleet
Speaker 1: for about five minutes. See what happened to them that
Speaker 1: there's Yeah, there's been rumors about Bob Stoops. I've been
Speaker 1: here since twenty thirteen, and I feel like there's always
Speaker 1: rumors about him every off season. You know, his mutual
Speaker 1: respect kind of thing, um experience, certainly respect from the players.
Speaker 1: Think you've got to give this guy a year to
Speaker 1: coach myself. I mean, I'm just talking about Jason Garrett. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about Garrett. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: I think you're not talking about giving stupids. I had
Speaker 1: had I had a coach tell me that all this
Speaker 1: talk about firing guys and stuff like they says. He goes,
Speaker 1: you're amazing about your firing guys. You're not fair to
Speaker 1: the organization. You're not fair to the coach. He's not wrong,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's I think that you know, they've
Speaker 1: made the decision they're gonna let Garrett ride this year.
Speaker 1: You know, if talking cowboys, God willing, we're all coming
Speaker 1: back next year. At this time, let's talk about a coach.
Speaker 1: Then if that's the case, But what's the difference. What's
Speaker 1: the difference if you give people? What's the difference If
Speaker 1: you give them an extension and they go it's five
Speaker 1: and eleven, you're gonna fire him anyway. Yeah, the thing
Speaker 1: about it don't matter. Yeah, and Jerry's not sitting there
Speaker 1: pinching pennies by happened away. It got a brand new
Speaker 1: deal in twenty ten, coming off of second round appearance.
Speaker 1: They started one and seven. Yet, yeah, okay, let me
Speaker 1: turn it around. I just don't think you want to
Speaker 1: throw money at somebody if you're in tennis. But I'm
Speaker 1: willing to let the guy coach. Okay, Mickey, Why why
Speaker 1: is it necessary to extend the coach? Right now? I'd
Speaker 1: never said it was okay, all right, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: how do you know Jerry's not doing that to appease
Speaker 1: all the people that are pissed off that all they
Speaker 1: did was win the division, win a playoff game and
Speaker 1: didn't make it the end. It's that the wrong thing
Speaker 1: to do. No, No, I'm not saying that. Okay, but
Speaker 1: does he does he mean it deep down or is
Speaker 1: he doing it for appearance sake? Public or is he
Speaker 1: doing it so he didn't have to give that guy
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars if he wax him. But you
Speaker 1: you would negotiate an out. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: See what, So, what are reasons that you would extend
Speaker 1: to coach right now that you're happy with his work,
Speaker 1: that you want to continue on with the program. You
Speaker 1: don't want today changes to your how your personnel looks,
Speaker 1: how your team looks, all these things. And you got
Speaker 1: a young quarterback that if you're happy with his growth,
Speaker 1: you don't want to don't want to change systems on him,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. The Arizona Cardinals thought nothing of that.
Speaker 1: But but but if you make you can make that
Speaker 1: decision even after next year and after this season, and
Speaker 1: I just think you're not changing anything. Well, I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons if you had openings on your
Speaker 1: staff and there was somebody that you want to you've
Speaker 1: always wanted to hire as your defensive coordinator or offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator or whatever, that would be a reason to extend
Speaker 1: the head coach so that he would be College programs
Speaker 1: do it to help and recruiting, right, you know? So
Speaker 1: does it affect free agency or do guys don't care
Speaker 1: there they want they don't just want money. They don't
Speaker 1: care who the head coach is. Yeah, a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of guys don't. Guys will end up at certain
Speaker 1: spots just because they you know, we'll see how interested
Speaker 1: in playing football that that this, uh, Earl Thomas is?
Speaker 1: You know, if you make it, if you you know,
Speaker 1: if you say, hey, this is all we can do,
Speaker 1: this is what we can offer. You wanted to come here.
Speaker 1: Let's see how if he doesn't come here or doesn't
Speaker 1: entertain an offer here and goes somewhere else for a
Speaker 1: bunch more money. You know where Earl Thomas's heart was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about It wasn't about trying to go and
Speaker 1: play and be happy somewhere. Was about going to make
Speaker 1: the most money he can make. So you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: him three years twenty two million. I was gonna give
Speaker 1: him two years, and I'm just gonna guarantee two years, Mickey,
Speaker 1: is what I Who was the safety just signed? Um?
Speaker 1: He signed him for three years twenty two Manuch? Was it?
Speaker 1: Who was it? Was it? Oh? Was the guy? The guy?
Speaker 1: Eric Reed confused me there for a segment. Yeah, Eric Reed,
Speaker 1: So ask you this that going, right, That sounds reasonable,
Speaker 1: doesn't it? Seven million a year? Then? That sound reasonable
Speaker 1: for three years? Yeah? Did they guarantee the deal? I'm
Speaker 1: terrible football guy right now, I didn't remember. I know
Speaker 1: they signed him, but did they guarantee all twenty two
Speaker 1: million dollars that? I don't know? I can look it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking more of a two
Speaker 1: year deal, and I thinking maybe you were going to
Speaker 1: have to do it for probably between ten and twelve million.
Speaker 1: It's what I was thinking. You know. Jerry reed three
Speaker 1: year extension worth twenty one point six million dollars, seven
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars signing bonus ten million dollars
Speaker 1: total guarantees. In addition, he can make one point nine
Speaker 1: million in centims for a deal worth up to nearly
Speaker 1: twenty three point six five So it's almost like a
Speaker 1: one year deal just about. Yeah, it's front loaded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of it guaranteed. Yeah, I would find an
Speaker 1: I'd see how much, see, I'd see how badly he
Speaker 1: wants to play here. That's what I would do with
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. And if it doesn't work out, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, you know, No, no, hey, we'll figure out
Speaker 1: something the draft or we'll you know, something will, something
Speaker 1: will pop up the right way for you. What do
Speaker 1: you think the chances are that happening, Earl Thomas Sign,
Speaker 1: I would ask, I would ask, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I would come out and say, okay,
Speaker 1: I would. This is where you use Christopher Chard, so
Speaker 1: you say, hey, listen, buddy, this is what we got.
Speaker 1: We got a young secondary here. You saw we got.
Speaker 1: You saw us first hand the playoffs beat your old
Speaker 1: team there. You know, come and help us out here.
Speaker 1: This is what you can do. You want to be
Speaker 1: back in Texas and play for the Cowboys and all
Speaker 1: that day we can. This is how it will work.
Speaker 1: You know. It's no state income tax. You know you can.
Speaker 1: You can do some creative things with him to get
Speaker 1: him this money. How much do you think this team
Speaker 1: needs him? You know what? I would think this team
Speaker 1: needs him in the way of leadership in the back end.
Speaker 1: Even though those young kids did a nice job playing
Speaker 1: together last year. But I want somebody back there. I
Speaker 1: feel like I can play some center field and help
Speaker 1: and maybe you know, and help create some turnovers. You
Speaker 1: know we wrote about this verse. What's that? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean maybe maybe he gets maybe he
Speaker 1: gets three or four interceptions five. I mean, what's the
Speaker 1: last time we've had Jeff eat I mean, he Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: It either happens all in one game or it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen at all. They've been middle of the pack last
Speaker 1: three years in takeaways since they had eleven and twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: which tied the lowest ever since the stat was recorded.
Speaker 1: And you know, the last two Super Bowl champs top
Speaker 1: ten and takeaways. It's obviously a huge stat. They don't
Speaker 1: they don't get enough of those, you know why. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the big reasons I'd signed Earl Thomas because
Speaker 1: I saw some promise in Xavier Woods. I saw Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods willing us to try and light you up a
Speaker 1: little bit. Maybe you get a guy like Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: in here to kind of teach him how to be
Speaker 1: a pro. You know. So, where's it? So? Do you
Speaker 1: you can you can interchange this guy's mickey. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna you think he can play strong? Oh? Sure he can.
Speaker 1: Does he want to Earl Thomas can play strong? If
Speaker 1: he asked too? Yeah? Absolutely, he kid? You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they interchange these guys, it's not like they you know,
Speaker 1: and how many times have we seen Jeff Heath playing coverage?
Speaker 1: You know, It's not like you're asking him to make
Speaker 1: every single tackle at the point of attack. You know,
Speaker 1: what's one thing Earl Thomas can do. We can tackle,
Speaker 1: you know that That's that's something we all kind of
Speaker 1: appreciate about him. And create turnovers is another thing we
Speaker 1: appreciate about him. But how about teach how about teaching
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods how to be a dog? You know? And
Speaker 1: plus Xavier Woods has a position versatility and well you know,
Speaker 1: playing him a slot, yeah, you know, it'd be worth
Speaker 1: it to me just to try. But then again, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm doing radio with you guys too. I love
Speaker 1: the thought of even at his age and the coming
Speaker 1: off the injury and everything of I'm not asking to
Speaker 1: sign it for six years. I'm just saying, give me
Speaker 1: a couple of years, give me give me what this
Speaker 1: is what my dream, this would be my dream. He's
Speaker 1: my Charles Woodson at Green Bay. That's what he is.
Speaker 1: Still can kind of play at a high level, kind
Speaker 1: of you know, get your team over the humpy, a leader,
Speaker 1: you know, bull his first year in Green Bay. He was,
Speaker 1: he was defensive MVP two thousand and nine. Okay, twenty ten,
Speaker 1: they won the whole thing. Yeah. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: Cowboys were interested in Eric wedd All right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think Earl Thomas is better than Eric. What right?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the point being that would have been
Speaker 1: a mistake. The it was right. The guy he bombed,
Speaker 1: he's still playing the money, he's still still playing, still playing.
Speaker 1: But I mean I would have bombed, would have probably
Speaker 1: been Watkins. That would have been the wide receiver. That
Speaker 1: would have been a bomb. That would have been a player,
Speaker 1: meant Patrick Watkin. No, that was That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: That was a bomb to sixty four safety. It couldn't turn.
Speaker 1: That's a hard thing to do. That's when we were
Speaker 1: we might we were hitting the crack pipe. Then I
Speaker 1: guess going, well, that's awful. Maybe if you bring him
Speaker 1: in they can stop somebody from rights. Anybody going with
Speaker 1: me on this? Earl Thomas sing or? Am I riding
Speaker 1: my ride? Am I on the covered the right around
Speaker 1: the money? The right? A right deal. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get him for a veteran minimum, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pay him a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I need him here to I don't mind paying him.
Speaker 1: And you gotta make sure he's healthy. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be healthy. I'm not worried about Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas working and getting ready. You know he's gonna I
Speaker 1: know he broke his leg. He didn't tear his knee.
Speaker 1: He broke a bone in his leg. So I'm I'm okay,
Speaker 1: he'll peel heel. He wasn't gonna kills, No, he's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I'm not asking to do something he can't do,
Speaker 1: rob you with me? Yeah, sure, I mean it to me.
Speaker 1: It's gonna he said, it's it's it's price because Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones has said, you know, general turn, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: listen to us. They're not big players in free agency.
Speaker 1: They never are. So, but that's they got a lot
Speaker 1: of guys they needed to get done on their own roster.
Speaker 1: And then you'll see it's it's always comes out of
Speaker 1: them if you could sign one guy. But that's not
Speaker 1: a big play if you think about it. No, it's
Speaker 1: not kind of a mid size contract, saying they always
Speaker 1: kind of nibble a week two or three and if
Speaker 1: he can come in here and play defense and stop
Speaker 1: somebody from running for two hundred any three yards and
Speaker 1: signed him tomorrow here when Tampa Bay releases Gerald McCoy.
Speaker 1: There you go, what's he gonna get in free agency? See,
Speaker 1: that's the next trick Oklahoma City guy, right, Bill, Yes,
Speaker 1: he is great guy. You know what you better McCoy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though. I mean, if Kent's got
Speaker 1: me on this draft show every Thursday at eleven am,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of defensive tackles, and I talked
Speaker 1: about that guy that wrecked his knee Mississippi State, Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: You want to probably, I mean, here's the guy who's
Speaker 1: a top fifteen player that's now gonna probably get the
Speaker 1: Dallas at fifty eight. It's worked out for Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: worked out for Shawn Lee, Bruce Carter. Carter was you
Speaker 1: know he's still in the league, right, Yeah, he signed
Speaker 1: with it, got an extension. Yeah. Does this guy need
Speaker 1: a red shirt? Hear he's gonna need one. Probably. He
Speaker 1: just hurt his knee, so yeah, probably so tall Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, that's a three month injury. He'll
Speaker 1: be back for yeah, for o TA, he'd start talking
Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams. I mean we had this discussion about
Speaker 1: him and Quinn Williams together, the Alabama defensive tackle, and
Speaker 1: Dane was to the point of, like, man, both these
Speaker 1: guys can really play. I mean he's talking about him
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Speaker 1: of the best players I've seen in a lot. You
Speaker 1: know what, doctor from Alabama. You know when you played Alabama?
Speaker 1: Of course he got for first quarter was a disaster.
Speaker 1: I'm watching your guards try and block him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was not that impressed with the Alabama defense except
Speaker 1: for one guy, that guy, Quinnin Williams. Yeah. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: like top ten picks? Yeah, well that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He might get to you at
Speaker 1: fifty eight now because he got guy. Yeah. One thing
Speaker 1: about that though, is okay, that's a red shirt ear right,
Speaker 1: most likely England at thirty two. Get ready. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: needed they need a guy that can come in a
Speaker 1: d tackle and help this line. Right. Oh, sure at
Speaker 1: some point whether you signed a guy with a drafted guy,
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Speaker 1: Pure Clean Daily facial cleanser, and TurboWash energizing cleanser. And
Speaker 1: you get all this in a waxed canvas travel bag.
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Speaker 1: all get past tsa when you go, Oh, travel size
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Speaker 1: do you have the list of the products in front
Speaker 1: of yours that he said, deodorants, whatever, They're all right there.
Speaker 1: Which one do you want? Well, I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: which one I used yesterday, which I hadn't used in
Speaker 1: a while, and I love it. The stuff you put
Speaker 1: on your I guess the facial cleanser, is it? The
Speaker 1: makes you the tingly face. Yeah, it burns a little bit,
Speaker 1: not a bad way a way. The gritty one, yeah,
Speaker 1: the gritty one. Smooth game. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the
Speaker 1: gritty one. Is that the Pure Clean Daily facial cleanser? Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: did you run out? And I think I have not
Speaker 1: run out? I forgot that I had it. It was
Speaker 1: like in the back of my little Mickey and Warren
Speaker 1: Buffett just bought the company to get you give you
Speaker 1: some products. They have come out with a wash all
Speaker 1: body wash too. Now, no, no, they've had that Turbo one,
Speaker 1: not the regular one. It's Turbo Turbot Wash Energizing cleanser. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, all right, all over that. I use that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I use that. Yeah. That's good because it's herrock flintser too.
Speaker 1: It's all in one right every yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about that. Give me my grand tour back,
Speaker 1: all right, very good. A little bit of breaking news
Speaker 1: for you guys, boss taking the Cowboys a little bit
Speaker 1: tease me. Brian Antonio Brown has tweeted thank you Steelers
Speaker 1: for nine big years. Time to move on and forward
Speaker 1: hashtag new demands. Okay, this this might be too did
Speaker 1: he miss a court case? Did he had coming up?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder if they've moved on from
Speaker 1: that he supposed he was supposed to do in court.
Speaker 1: I believe yesterday. Kind I'm so terrible about my news
Speaker 1: right now, I've lost track of him and Leveon Bell
Speaker 1: and Steeler issues. Talking Steelers would be a lot of
Speaker 1: fun right now. Yeah, I would talking talking Steelers, but
Speaker 1: no about talking Browns. The move they made Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1: He was drafted by John Dorsey. Yes, that's right, the
Speaker 1: city's right, John. John knows the player very well, so
Speaker 1: he's probably getting to get at least six games, right,
Speaker 1: ye Johns. Johns drafting for the second enlof running backs there,
Speaker 1: Chubb and Duke Johnson, don't they or maybe not Duke
Speaker 1: Johnson if they Yeah, when they find out when Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt can play, and Duke is probably going into his
Speaker 1: fourth year by now he is like that, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but Steelers were so he's probably restricted. Here we go,
Speaker 1: can't if you're if you're falling along, ken't is playing
Speaker 1: the producer on the fly for you guys. So you're
Speaker 1: watching out a little video and tweet. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: looks like he's going somewhere else or demanding to do
Speaker 1: that sounds like new demands whatever means, and it's speculated
Speaker 1: the message means either the Steelers ever reached an agreement
Speaker 1: in principle to trade Brown to a new team, or
Speaker 1: he simply a decided to take matters into his own hands.
Speaker 1: What does he mean by new demands? Maybe it's not
Speaker 1: money I want to go, Yeah, because he absolutely is
Speaker 1: under counting. He has made new demands to the Steelers
Speaker 1: that he knows they are not going to meet. The Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's out. He's basically told him I'm not playing for you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He has the piece sign emoji in there too, and
Speaker 1: that signals later. Usually we'll see does he want to
Speaker 1: go play with Lebron or something? Have you looked at
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown? Yes, his cousin. Yes? What do you think
Speaker 1: of him? Cool little player? He is? He'd only dropped
Speaker 1: five passes against Texas in the Big twelve championship game though,
Speaker 1: cool little player though? Yeah, he really is. I mean no,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about explosive players. But was
Speaker 1: that the game he get hurt in? He did get
Speaker 1: hurt in it too, Yeah, but that was after he
Speaker 1: dropped five passes. Is that the type of receiver you're
Speaker 1: looking at in the draft? If they need no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Well you know that there's people were talking about, Oh,
Speaker 1: the slot kind of guy, you know, if you only
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's just plenty. This wide receiver draft
Speaker 1: is actually really really deep. It just doesn't have the
Speaker 1: first round guy. It just doesn't have that that everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of lining up for. I mean, Hollywood is a
Speaker 1: second round guy. He's probably a second round guy right
Speaker 1: now with the way he the way, but you know
Speaker 1: they're talking about Medcalf, Harmon Brown, you know Brown with
Speaker 1: Brown's probably in that mix, so that I think at
Speaker 1: fifty eight he'd be really intriguing because of just how
Speaker 1: explosive he is. He's he's he is, he's you know,
Speaker 1: but he makes plays down the field. He's not just
Speaker 1: a guy that does underneath stuff, you know. But I
Speaker 1: think that people this is you know, Mickey's guy, Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Hall is getting a lot of a lot of drops
Speaker 1: the ball too much. Yeah, well there's my South Carolina guy.
Speaker 1: He wants deboat debo. South South Carolina is probably in
Speaker 1: that second to third round kind of discussions. But there's
Speaker 1: I mean the Riley Ridley, you know, Dion Dylan Mitchell
Speaker 1: from UH Oregon. I mean, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: really good players in the middle of this draft. So
Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys kind of sit where they're at,
Speaker 1: they're gonna there's gonna be a good receiver, potentially good
Speaker 1: running back, potentially good defensive tackle, potentially a good tight
Speaker 1: end all sitting there. Potentially maybe a top ten defensive
Speaker 1: tackle if he gets all the way through, you know,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about Simmons again, if they take a
Speaker 1: hurt guy. So Marie Cooper at twenty eight was looking
Speaker 1: pretty good. Mary Cooper, I would be hard pressed to find, yeah,
Speaker 1: to find twenty twenty seven players better than a Mariy
Speaker 1: Cooper right at this point in time. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: all these defensive linemen and stuff like that are great players.
Speaker 1: But if you're the Mary Cooper would be the best
Speaker 1: player in this draft at wide receiver, if that's if
Speaker 1: that's how you rank them, yeah, he would. He would be.
Speaker 1: He's a legitimate first round player. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys aren't first rump players. So if you're
Speaker 1: taking a wide receiver, you need something different than a
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper. Yeah, and you need something different from Gallup. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See if you're not resigning Beasley, right, See, this is
Speaker 1: where people are all looking at you know, they're talking
Speaker 1: about Okay, if you don't Okay Brown is a five
Speaker 1: nine guy, you know, Uh, you look at you talk
Speaker 1: about Andy Isabella from Massachusetts is a five nine guy
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Then you go a little further down
Speaker 1: this Greg Dortch from from Wake Forest is a five
Speaker 1: nine guy. So I mean, you know, if you're looking
Speaker 1: for slot players, and then Mickey's guy Samuel you know
Speaker 1: he could play slot. He's five eleven. So everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of looking at that guy for those for those slot
Speaker 1: players that uh, and there's a lot of them in
Speaker 1: this draft. To kid hunter renfro too from Clemson, there's
Speaker 1: another guy. So yeah, I mean, if you if you
Speaker 1: want to find a way to replace Cole Beasley, if
Speaker 1: you're interested in just letting him walk and maybe taking
Speaker 1: his money and going to get a safety or going
Speaker 1: to get a defensive tackle or going to get somebody else,
Speaker 1: then there there are players that you can definitely can
Speaker 1: latch to in this draft and make that happen. You
Speaker 1: totally rule out Cole Beasley coming back. I shouldn't. I shouldn't,
Speaker 1: but I would feel at the Mark gets depressed him
Speaker 1: in mid March. I mean, you know, they might make
Speaker 1: a decision that they don't want to. They said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll pay you what we paid you last year, right,
Speaker 1: and if they and you know Cole, I think Cole
Speaker 1: to means well, those guys got a lot of pride.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if you know, he took a
Speaker 1: less deal and went somewhere else, it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guys don't don't generally do that, do they. No, But
Speaker 1: men take the same deal and go somewhere else because
Speaker 1: of locker room prep. Right, That's what That's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying about Cole. I mean, he is, he is. He
Speaker 1: has been so outspoken that if you you know, if
Speaker 1: he comes back with hat in hand, you know, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who won that battle? Front Office won that battle? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know? All right, So here's a question of the Cowboy.
Speaker 1: Of the receivers the Cowboys have on their roster right now,
Speaker 1: which ones will be on the roster in two thoy
Speaker 1: nineteen beginning of the season, he got Cooper and Galloper Givens. Yes, Okay, Beasley,
Speaker 1: I'd say no, I say fifty fifty. Alan Hearns, I'd
Speaker 1: say yes, team option right, yes, yeah, Terrence Williams No,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, Yes, Cedric Wilson, Yes, Lance Lenore, there's your
Speaker 1: Now we're starting to get in. Okay, do you draft
Speaker 1: somebody that's better than Lance Lenore? Where Lance Lenora will
Speaker 1: Win is will went on experience with the staff. But
Speaker 1: is there a better wide receiver? Is is Mickey's guy Samuel?
Speaker 1: A better player is Andy Isabelle? You draft? I mean
Speaker 1: you know, of course they draft somebody the second or
Speaker 1: third round. I think that guy's got a good shot
Speaker 1: of making this team. But I think that's now now
Speaker 1: you're drawing the line. I think they're going to have
Speaker 1: it pretty good. It's not gonna be by committee. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a pretty good group of receivers.
Speaker 1: I think Cedric Wilson, don't he might He might be
Speaker 1: your third or fourth guy. Hellman's give me so much
Speaker 1: grief about Cedric Wilson because Cedric Wilson, you know, I
Speaker 1: really like Cedric Wilson coming out of the draft last year,
Speaker 1: and and Helmet's like he hadn't even played it down
Speaker 1: and you're acting like he's in the Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: like him. No, I know, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And he's not like the fastest guy in the world,
Speaker 1: but you know he can play. He separate and play yes,
Speaker 1: he play inside and playff yes, yes, And my question
Speaker 1: was unfair. I'm not I don't mean September, like going
Speaker 1: into training camp, which which of those guys are going
Speaker 1: to be on the rush? Yeah, you know, yeah, Wilson's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean that's almost like getting another, you know, draft
Speaker 1: pick in a way at receiver. How about Jeff Swaim?
Speaker 1: Will he be I think I think that there's this
Speaker 1: thing as a pretty deep draft with tight ends, and
Speaker 1: I think unless it's a one year deal, you know
Speaker 1: that he has nowhere to go and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: maybe you bring him back. But I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a priority right now. I could be way wrong about that,
Speaker 1: but I'm I just don't see that him being a
Speaker 1: priority with this football team now. He asked about the
Speaker 1: wrong tight end Rico Gathers. Yeah, Yeah, that's where he
Speaker 1: just gave the high sign for those things. I think
Speaker 1: you have to go. I just mentioned sway because he's
Speaker 1: a free agent. Yeah yeah, they like Swaying, They like
Speaker 1: what he the toughness, and he can do a little
Speaker 1: bit everything. For talking Rico. Now, oh okay, Rico, you
Speaker 1: could well he's under contract, so we'd probably go to
Speaker 1: training camp. Dropping that ball in the playoffs I think
Speaker 1: sealed his fate here. How many years left does he
Speaker 1: have on his deal? Rico one? He was a twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen pick. I'll just say this. It doesn't it's not
Speaker 1: He's not going to preclude them, like Brian said, from
Speaker 1: going and looking hard at a tight end in this draft.
Speaker 1: Even with Jiffs, I thought they were going to look
Speaker 1: at a tight end if this draft I meant, I
Speaker 1: mean to me, if you know, if you look at
Speaker 1: the situation, mean at fifty eight, and I know that's
Speaker 1: sound cowboy fans just don't want to hear that because
Speaker 1: the past second round. But they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: But you know Sternberger from Texas A and M sign
Speaker 1: me up. You know, speaking of second round tight ends,
Speaker 1: did you see Gavin Escobar the other night? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a restricted free agent, okay after next season, so
Speaker 1: he's a restricted free agent in twenty twenty Rico, Oh yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: That's because he was like go or practice blood or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they resigned him and they probably added a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, this Isaac Nada. Keep keep an eye on
Speaker 1: him as well. A Georgia. You like Sternberger. Like Sternberger
Speaker 1: and Nada, both those guys that and you might have
Speaker 1: to you might have to hit them both at fifty
Speaker 1: eight if you want to get them. Are they more?
Speaker 1: Can they stand up and block on the line? Are
Speaker 1: they more? It's I mean, do you kind of need
Speaker 1: that type of guy? Not as a better blocker. Not
Speaker 1: a from Georgia is a better blocker than Sternberger. But
Speaker 1: they both get down the field and they both catch
Speaker 1: the football, and they both create problems for you defensively
Speaker 1: to have to deal with. Sternberger was a mismatched guy
Speaker 1: at ain't him, no question. I mean, he had a
Speaker 1: terrific year. It's a small sample size, but he was great,
Speaker 1: all right. Blake Jarwin had twenty seven catches this year.
Speaker 1: How many catches do you need out of Blake Jarwin?
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen I met you, Blake Jarwin doubles his
Speaker 1: catches next year. Fifty four catches for Blake Jarr. I
Speaker 1: believe he doubles, and that's part of the evaluation you
Speaker 1: have to make. I mean, you have to project him.
Speaker 1: Are these guys gonna come in and be better than
Speaker 1: what you hope he can be next year? I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, I'll take my chances with Jarwin, a draft
Speaker 1: pick like Nada or Sternburger, and then Dalton Schultz. I'll
Speaker 1: take my chances with those three guys because I think
Speaker 1: they all kind of unique in the way they can
Speaker 1: can kind of help you down the field. You got
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. Schultz improved as a blocker. Again,
Speaker 1: Nada from George I think is a better blocker than Sternburger,
Speaker 1: So you could play him more in line if you
Speaker 1: had to. But it'd be interesting to see what Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore does scheme wise. You know, how many tight ends
Speaker 1: is he gonna play with in this Is he a
Speaker 1: strictly eleven personnel? Guys? He gonna spread you out and
Speaker 1: try and run the ball. You know, we don't know that.
Speaker 1: We'll probably see in the OTAs in mini camps. You
Speaker 1: know kind of what he's his philosophy is going to
Speaker 1: be on that less twelve than we've seen maybe maybe so. Hm,
Speaker 1: what did New England dude during the Super Bowl? They
Speaker 1: ran the football, They got a fullback in the game,
Speaker 1: and they just said, you know what, We're gonna hammer
Speaker 1: it here at the end. And they ran two tight ends.
Speaker 1: Yeah didn't they? Yeah? Yeah? And they split everybody else
Speaker 1: out wide on the winning drive. Yeah, with with twelve
Speaker 1: personnel or twenty two way Philip both coordinators did a
Speaker 1: hell of a job in that game. I thought, how
Speaker 1: about Wade Phillips flying home across the country after that
Speaker 1: when it goes that was that was amazing. He goes, damn,
Speaker 1: I keep up thirteen points and lost a game his Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean his defensive game and he's given up fifty
Speaker 1: something in one of games. Actual plan was as good
Speaker 1: as Belichick's. No, there was no question. Yeah, actually this
Speaker 1: would is what you would expect from Wade. He talked
Speaker 1: to him at the funeral. He and and Skip Pete
Speaker 1: flew yes Alice for Wade Wilson's funeral. West was there too,
Speaker 1: and West was there also. Yeah, yeah, I was West
Speaker 1: is going to go coach out there for him too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And of course Tony Romo was playing at Pebble Beach
Speaker 1: and came back for it. He gets back in time.
Speaker 1: I told I told Wade, I said, that's really nice
Speaker 1: of you to be here. He goes, well, it was
Speaker 1: the thing to do. And that's just wait. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get to a point certain time in your life that
Speaker 1: you start losing friends. He sucks. He brought his wife.
Speaker 1: His wife was there. It was a really nice gesture.
Speaker 1: And by the way, West Phillips being hired by the
Speaker 1: Rams as their tight ends coach. That's yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yeah, good for him. Yeah you remember, Wait,
Speaker 1: tweeted out head coach. My son, Wes is a good
Speaker 1: coach and he knows Sean McVeigh. There you go, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be put him on the list of potentially that's right.
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