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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist, welcome back. We have a classic episode

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Speaker 1: for you from twenty twenty in the Trenches of COVID.

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Speaker 1: We put our heads together and we asked ourselves, is

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Speaker 1: there actually enough for everyone?

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 1: It's a very philosophical question, it's hard, but also a

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Speaker 1: very practical question, and we talk about all of those

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Speaker 1: angles in this classic episode.

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking about one specific guy. Do you remember

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Speaker 2: who it was? We talked about him on Infamous Inventors,

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Speaker 2: A long time ago, man named Norman Borlog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, save the world wheat, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it made us all think about this thing

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Speaker 2: where humanity has been attempting to create more and more

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Speaker 2: and more food. Right, so everybody has that because that's

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Speaker 2: a necessity. To figure out ways to filter water and

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Speaker 2: purify water because we need that too. But what do

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Speaker 2: we mean when we say is there enough for everyone?

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Speaker 2: Is it just those two things? Or is it more? Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's more right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, as we recorded than in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: and even now in twenty twenty five, it's no secret

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Speaker 1: that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people are struggling

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Speaker 1: under daily physical threats like starvation, danger, disease, lack of

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Speaker 1: sanitation and shelter, but also what about the philosophical points, right,

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Speaker 1: what about that which feeds the soul? Is there enough

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Speaker 1: for everyone? We're really proud of this one and we

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Speaker 1: can't wait to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Roleo.

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Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 3: learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: A production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Noel is on adventures, but we'll be returning

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Speaker 2: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul,

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Speaker 1: Mission Control decand most importantly, you are you. You are

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Speaker 1: here and that makes this stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: This is a This is a wide ranging episode for

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Speaker 1: us today, isn't.

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Speaker 2: It It is? But it brings in topics that we've

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Speaker 2: been covering over the past seven years, at least seven

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Speaker 2: or not I think almost seven and this year we

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Speaker 2: of the topics that we're going to kind of pull

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Speaker 2: if not, maybe go back, you know, check out, check

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Speaker 2: out some of the ones that you can kind of

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Speaker 2: infer that we're going to be talking about with this

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Speaker 2: topic as you've read in the title, and then come

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Speaker 2: back to this episode, because we are going to be

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Speaker 2: pulling in a lot of stuff and we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: And this, this wide ranging episode is also by its

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Speaker 1: nature collaborative, as we of course hope all of our

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Speaker 1: episodes are, because we need your help, we want your involvement.

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Speaker 1: As we often say you specifically, you are the most

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Speaker 1: important part of this show. Those are not empty words.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, to prove that these are

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Speaker 1: not empty words, to put our money where our mouths

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Speaker 1: are or where your ears are as you listen to this,

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Speaker 1: you know, Matt, I checked on our Twitter at conspiracy

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Speaker 1: stuff on Twitter. I checked on our Twitter feed, and

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that we we have more people

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Speaker 1: befriending us on Twitter than I thought. Yeah, not a

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Speaker 2: It's a for for us, it's a big number. Give

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Speaker 2: You are a fellow conspiracy realist. You are a fellow listeners.

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Speaker 2: So we thought we would give some of you a

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Speaker 1: A regular thing. Here we go, We'll we'll just read

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Speaker 1: a few shout out to shootdah one Stuart Hopfer over

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Speaker 1: there on Twitter, who's responding to our recent coronavirus episode.

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Speaker 1: We do have an update coming. And Stuart, you said,

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Speaker 1: I listened to this episode and and there's something you

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Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. Yeah, so maybe you're in

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Speaker 1: Patrick Lee six six six' nine was responding to our

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Speaker 1: earlier tangent about RIDICULOUS dc. Villains, yes and he hipped

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Speaker 1: us to this Fantastic batman, villain ten eyed. Man patrick just,

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Speaker 2: Fingertips, oh so we're talking About Philip. Reardon, Okay i've

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Speaker 2: seen the costume that has eyes going down his.

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Speaker 1: and last one for. Today Last twitter shout out for

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Speaker 1: you all heard of and watched the Documentary Active measures On?

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Speaker 1: Hulu my timfoil hat is on and conspiracies are are.

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Speaker 1: Chance, folks let us know if you've Seen Active. MEASURES

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Speaker 1: worth a while for your fellow, listeners and thanks to you,

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Speaker 1: Guys thanks to everyone who has befriended us On twitter

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Speaker 1: you're hearing. Something this episode may may get a little

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Speaker 1: personal for. PEOPLE i know it's it's full, confession a

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Speaker 1: little bit personal for, Me. Matt as you pointed out,

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Speaker 1: earlier today's episode is a.

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Speaker 1: Cumulative it's going to trend a bit towards the philosophical

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Speaker 1: but we've based it on pretty hard in that time sobering.

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Speaker 1: Science as you, said in the, past we've explored specific

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Speaker 1: concrete examples of things like resource. Extraction that's where that's

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Speaker 1: where a eight actor or a corporation or state sponsor

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Speaker 1: the people broke while taking things like their lithium or their,

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Speaker 2: Production. Yeah and the more recent modern version of that

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Speaker 2: is exactly what you said up top. There the minerals

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Speaker 1: so we've also looked at global health crises such as

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Speaker 1: you livestock, industry thanks for making antibiotics.

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Speaker 2: Useless and also shout out To seattle right, now who

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Speaker 2: recently had to close down schools because of THE covid.

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Speaker 1: Outbreak, yeah, YEAH i mean the outbreak is already, happening.

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Speaker 2: Yes but we're we're actually seeing, it, Right we're actually

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Speaker 1: Exactly it's starting to hit home and we're seeing actions being.

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Speaker 1: Taken we've also looked at unethical corporate or state behavior

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Speaker 1: is it? Alarmism are we being too are we being

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Speaker 2: Threats we're certainly using too much.

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Speaker 1: Right, today we are combining all of these previous investigations

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Speaker 1: is this is there enough for? Everyone in other, words

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Speaker 1: this is this is an enormous and profound. QUESTION i,

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Speaker 1: mean after, all for billions of, people this world is a,

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Speaker 1: unquote modern human beings On earth has been pretty small

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Speaker 1: Can so, logically then if we were more, efficient this

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Speaker 1: Not happening even though it's. Possible, Yeah so LET'S i

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Speaker 1: Right right to get at some of that billionaire blessing

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Speaker 2: seventeen as of officially three years, ago fifty six million

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Speaker 2: Second there were eight point nine three million deaths that

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Speaker 2: associated with, cancer and the sheriff deaths there is sixteen

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Speaker 1: we look at shelter and, clothing we know that you,

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Speaker 1: Cliche there's clearly, Enough, uh there's clearly enough around given

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Speaker 1: yes there's clearly enough enough there to create housing for.

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Speaker 1: And we've had a high look at the, numbers, then,

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Speaker 1: perfect but we see some. Commonalities we see that outside of,

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Speaker 1: Necessity the trend seems to indicate that there is potential

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Speaker 1: for people not to go. Hungry there's potential for people

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Speaker 1: not to be, homeless, right maybe even collectively have a

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Speaker 1: better quality of. Life so with, that let's get to

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Speaker 1: the question is there enough for every? One here's where

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Speaker 1: to people Like Norman borlog and The Green. Revolution the

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Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that right now the world

436
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: already produces enough to. Eat we actually produce a. Surplus

437
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: this world creates more than one point five times enough

438
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: food to feed literally. Everyone that's enough to feed ten billion,

439
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: people and ten billion people just for a bookmark is

440
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: where experts expect the population to peak around twenty, fifty

441
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: so that not that far. Away if you're listening to this,

442
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: podcast the odds are in your favor of being alive

443
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: when there are ten billion people around or when they're

444
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: ten who, knows we'll roll the.

445
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: Dice we're never gonna make it that.

446
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: Far so there's a problem, though because that food will

447
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: only say just food in. General it's an umbrella. Term

448
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: and as we as we had discussed, earlier that term

449
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: encompasses a lot of, grain the staple of the global,

450
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: diet and the bulk of the grain produced by. Agribusiness

451
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: the bulk of industrially produced grain goes to feeding livestock

452
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: and can find feed, lots and goes to, biofuels rather

453
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: than going to the one billion starving or food insecure

454
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: people on the. Planet so, again it's not that we

455
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: can't feed every, one it's more that we can't feed

456
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: everyone the kind of food everyone wants and.

457
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Speaker 2: Well and we also destroy a lot of those grains

458
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: that are created in order to control the price of said,

459
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: grains which, means like it if you could just decide

460
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: instead of destroying it or throwing it away or you,

461
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: know getting rid of it in that, way and you

462
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: just used it to feed people for no. Cost, well

463
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: when it's oh, god and again it's later WHEN i

464
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: say no, COST i just mean you're not actually selling

465
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: it or. Anything you're literally donating. It but in order

466
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: then to get that grains to the, places to the

467
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: needy people that would would want, it then it costs

468
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: a lot of, money.

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Speaker 1: Right, Right and shout out to a previous recent episode

470
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: on farm. Subsidies it is true that a lot of

471
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: governments pay farmers to not grow, food even when you

472
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: know there are tons of. Concerns listen to that episode

473
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: for more. Information but think about it this. Way let's

474
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: take it to an individual. Level if you knew with

475
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: certitude that none of those one billion people would ever

476
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: need to starve, again but it meant that you and

477
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: everyone else you knew would have to change your. Diet

478
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: you could realistically maybe eat meat once a month or

479
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: once a year or never. Again would you be able

480
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: to make that trade? Off the problem there is that

481
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: if we're being, realistic we would we would not have

482
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: a way to know everyone else was playing by the.

483
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: Rules can you meagine the black meat? Market?

484
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Speaker 1: Oh, man, Yeah i've seen there are things about that

485
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: and sci. Fi you, know when like when lab grown

486
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: protein or lab grown meat becomes the, normal then how

487
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: much will people pay for a real?

488
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: Stake and then the concentric circle around the black meat

489
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: market and the red meat market become, troubling.

490
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: Right, Right for many of, us this already sounds like

491
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: a losing, proposition and it's hard to fault people for.

492
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: That it's something called the tragedy of the, commons which

493
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: we've mentioned before in this. Show the tragedy of the

494
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: commons essentially is. This it's the idea that there is

495
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: something a public resource that everybody. Uses like if we

496
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: didn't have, agribusiness and you just foraged from everybody in

497
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: the village foraged from the same field or, whatever and

498
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: stuff just grew, naturally but you had to take steps

499
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: to make sure that that food grew next.

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Speaker 2: Year but why would. You it's not.

501
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Yours it's just a place you go to and grab, food,

502
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: right and then everybody grabs food and then it's, gone

503
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: and then you just you go through this, increasing increasing

504
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: crescendo of passing the, blame you know WHAT i, Mean,

505
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: LIKE i just ate WHAT i. Wanted it's the problem

506
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: is never, me it's all all these other. Schmucks so

507
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: it's understandable that this would look like an unnecessary cost

508
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: for us to put on. Ourselves why SHOULD i have

509
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: to punish myself to help a billion people THAT i

510
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: will never, meet, Right and why SHOULD i have to

511
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: punish myself or hold myself to standards THAT i cannot

512
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: prove other people are.

513
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: Meeting you.

514
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Know so if we look at this, is by the,

515
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: way this is not taking in. Medicine we're just we're

516
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: putting that to side because the medical care stuff like

517
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: water is almost its own.

518
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: Episode, yeah and again bringing in, costs the time it

519
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: takes to train people and medications that would be affordable

520
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: to save.

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00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: Lives all, Right so next, question, then so we can

522
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: do this technically, potentially we're. Not so why? Not why

523
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: are we not giving every other human being what they

524
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: need to? Survive, essentially it's because doing, so even if

525
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: everybody wanted, to doing so would necessitate a massive transfer

526
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: of resources and wealth something on something that like on

527
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: the level that it, is never occurred in human. History

528
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: it boggles the. Mind and part of it is because

529
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: of we're talking about inequality up there with. Mortality that's

530
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: the other elephant in the. Room and when we talk about,

531
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: inequality we often tend to think in these, extremes you,

532
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: know because extremes are easy cognitive shortcuts we think of the,

533
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: billionaires for, example on one end of a scale and

534
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the hopelessly deprived on the other end of the. Curve but,

535
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: honestly we have to give ourselves. Pontfective if you own

536
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: a device that allows you to listen to a, podcast for,

537
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: example then you are globally, speaking much more likely to

538
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: be one of those haves rather than one of those have.

539
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: NOTS a lot of people considered poor in a developed,

540
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: country for, instance may still have a better quality of

541
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: life overall than a relatively well off person in a

542
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: least developed.

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00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Country you know WHAT i. Mean, Yeah, well then the question,

544
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: becomes what do we do about that again without having you,

545
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: know even if everybody's on board except for the trillionaires to the, billionaires,

546
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: like how do you get those, people those corporations to

547
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: decide that it's a better thing for everyone if we

548
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: raise all? Ships?

549
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Right that leads us to another. Question you, know what's the?

550
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Speaker 1: Solution can technology save? Us something we'll tackle after a

551
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor.

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00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: And we're.

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Speaker 1: Back all, right here's one for the budding technocrats in the,

554
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: audience the people who are very forward to the.

555
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: Future right? There another, question after an ad, break can

556
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: technology save.

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00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Us, yeah, yeah the answer is. Yes, maybe let's say

558
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: the answer is, yes but probably.

559
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: Not oh, Dear. Yeah, see for most.

560
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Of human, history we just didn't have the organization necessary

561
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: to handle the logistics. Involved you might have people in

562
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: one part of the world who had a surplus of

563
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: grain because the weather was, favorable and people in a different,

564
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: region you, know maybe they were combating droughts or floods

565
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: and as a, result their harvest didn't come through and they.

566
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Speaker 1: Starved and let's say that the people with the surplus

567
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: of grain heard about this distant land that needed. Help

568
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: even if the people with that surplus wanted to feed

569
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: their fellow, humans even if they tried very, hard for

570
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: most of human, history they just wouldn't have the means

571
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: to get the food or medicine or resources to those

572
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: folks in time to make a. Difference, now for the

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00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: first time, ever that has. Changed we can ship almost

574
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: anything almost. Anywhere but.

575
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: It costs, money and it costs money because of, fuel

576
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: because of the existing technology that can. Travel it costs

577
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: money because you have to have the logistics in place

578
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: to figure out what is going. Where and that's you,

579
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: know a bunch of people employed a lot of times

580
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: huge facilities and all that stuff.

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00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Happened all money is a representation of labor over, time,

582
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: right sore would have to to ship. Stuff we essentially

583
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: have to give, people uh these placeholders for time that

584
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: was spent, earlier, right and we do that in the

585
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: form of. Currency so we have to we have to

586
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: help these people justify their labor their, time, right and

587
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: that that is a, huge huge. Hurdle but if there

588
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: was some other, thing not saying that we have an,

589
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: answer And i'm not not even saying there should be

590
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: some other, thing but if if there was quote unquote no,

591
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: cost then we could literally feed every single hungry person

592
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: on the. Planet we're, Not, yeah.

593
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: So what can we? Do can emerging technology and energy

594
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: improvements and a lot of these things that are out

595
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: there that are, happening we know are, coming it's just

596
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: when will they get? Here will those things move the

597
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: needle enough to help everyone's ship rise a little? Bit

598
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: because you, know there really is an interesting stuff out there.

599
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: Happening and one of the big things would be if

600
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: we could because it would change, everything if we could

601
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: get more efficient and larger amounts of power of, energy

602
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: because that would reduce the costs of things like. Shipping

603
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: they would reduce the cost of things like packaging and

604
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: all of these other things we would. Need so we

605
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: were just looking at a couple of different emerging technologies

606
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: and we won't spend too much time on. This twenty.

607
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Nineteen according to a lot of the news that has

608
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: been coming out about energy, improvements twenty nineteen was a

609
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: year that wasn't too exciting about brand new. Developments but

610
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: there are some really cool stuff in there happening that's

611
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: more of a minor improvement that you can kind of

612
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: see the tail of, right you can see where it's.

613
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: Headed we found something called floating, solar which is really

614
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: interesting to me AND i hope you find it to

615
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: be fascinating. Too the idea is taking a solar array

616
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: that you've probably seen pictures of somewhere online that generally

617
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: it's in a desert or somewhere or a more arid

618
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: climate where you've just got solar panels in a huge,

619
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: circle or a different arrangement that's just out there aiming

620
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: at the sun at all, times trying to generate. Electricity,

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Speaker 2: well floating solar uses a body of water that isn't

622
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: usually used for a specific human. Purpose so imagine a

623
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Speaker 2: hydroelectric dam's, reservoir so like the water that's above a

624
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: hydroelectric dam that then that water flows down through the

625
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: dam system and generates electricity through. Turbines this floating solar

626
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: array would sit on top of that reservoir and it

627
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: would look kind of like the other solar rays you've seen.

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00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: Before it's just they're floating on the surface of the

629
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: water that isn't going to be used, anyway the surface.

630
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: Isn't then you can generate a bunch of power. There

631
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: and the cool thing about this is that because in this,

632
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: case at, least if it's really close in proximity to

633
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: a power generation plant already with that hydroelectric, dam it's

634
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: really easy to transfer the power generated on that floating

635
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: array to the grid, itself, which as we're going to

636
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: keep talking about, here that becomes one of the major

637
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: problems with new energy technologies out there that might give

638
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: us a bit of a step up when it comes

639
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: to helping. Everyone so another, one another technology that you

640
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: can think about is offshore wind. Farms so wind farms

641
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: that are relatively far out into the ocean or, offshore

642
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: and the wind out there can generate energy really. Effectively

643
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: the problem is if you're far enough, away it becomes

644
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: extremely difficult to get that power generated because it's so

645
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: far away from the grid to the. Grid so there

646
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: are new technologies coming out about the types of cables

647
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: and how those cables function to actually bring more power

648
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: to the global. Grid that seems like a cool. Thing

649
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: there's new nuclear technologies that are, emerging like we talked

650
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: about With Chris. Cogswell there's stuff in there about molten

651
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: salt reactors which seem to be a little bit safer

652
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: than the fission reactors that we you, know that are

653
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: so common right now on the. Planet but there's also

654
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: that concept of fusion that we talked at length With

655
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: chris about that really does seem to be. Happening, yeah that. Weird,

656
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: YEAH i was so skeptical when we were initially talking about,

657
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: It but since, then like smaller fusion reactors are a

658
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: real thing that seemed to be. Happening so that could

659
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: really change the game as far as being able to

660
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: get either to produce the food that is needed and

661
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: to clean the water efficiently and put power play plants

662
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: in places that we normally wouldn't even consider doing it

663
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: if you're a large. Corporation.

664
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah and now all of the problem is all those

665
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: technologies that we've named have some.

666
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: Major.

667
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Drawbacks major drawbacks they, have you, know including stuff like

668
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: the overhead or the initial, costs safety or environmental, concerns

669
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: and then problems of.

670
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: Scale, yeah oh, YEAH i mean none of. That none

671
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: of these things we're talking about are going to change

672
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: the game really in the way we're imagining. Here but

673
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: except for. Fusion fusion could they? COULD i think fusion.

674
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: Could, yeah, YEAH i would love for it to. BE

675
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: i would love for that to be the case for

676
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: any of those things we just named solar or hydro

677
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: electric or fusion to make it off of the drawing

678
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: boarder off of the to move from the column of

679
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: potential solutions to practical or implemented. Solutions we're not there.

680
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Yet we're not there.

681
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Yet and then how on earth do you bring the

682
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: cost down to something like fusion enough to make it extremely.

683
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: Helpful there's there's.

684
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: Another whenever we talk about technology and its possible role

685
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: in improving the lives of the of the people who

686
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: are members of this, species one big thing must be,

687
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: addressed and that is the concept of what is often

688
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: CALLED ai or artificial intelligence or you, know increasingly academics

689
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: prefer the term machine consciousness because they, say you, know

690
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: a consciousness is a. Consciousness how is a machines consciousness

691
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: any different theoretically from a meatheads? Consciousness you, know what

692
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: makes one artificial and? Whatnot, right it's the. Meat it's

693
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: the meat that's going to be that's going to be

694
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: our advertisement for premium organic brains in the in the

695
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: black meat.

696
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: Market it's the.

697
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: MEAT i wish you guys could see the expression mad

698
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: it WAS i nominate you as.

699
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: Spokesman OH i, accepted.

700
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: Right Uh so before we talk ABOUT, ai let me

701
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: pitch you a little bit on why why people are

702
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: excited about having a non human consciousness or collective handle

703
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: these logistical, problems these distribution, problems.

704
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Which is really that's what a lot of this. Is.

705
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Well, first no matter what our our lovely little primate

706
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: brains can make technology, wise outside OF, ai we may

707
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: not have the tools mentally to take advantage of. This our,

708
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: brains you, see are one of the most important pieces

709
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: of early human. Technology how we got where we. Are our,

710
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: brains make no, mistake are the are the reason for

711
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: all the good stuff the human species has, done they're

712
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: also the reason for all the bad stuff we've. Done

713
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of Like promethean, fire.

714
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: Right so.

715
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: The problem is that our, brains like any other computer have.

716
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Have you, know they've got, code and they've got limits

717
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: to their. Capabilities our brains naturally bulk at the idea

718
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: of deliberately lowering our individual standards to help some abstract

719
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: collective thousands of other bring billions of other bring computers

720
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: that we will never, ever ever ever. Meet, sorry the

721
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: odds against you meeting all the people on the planet

722
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: right now are astronomical because so many are dying every

723
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: minute and so many more are being. Born you just

724
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: don't have time for it in your. Schedule and even

725
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: if you're lowering your individual standard of living to something that's,

726
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: survivable something is not that. Bad something it's not, terrible

727
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: but just isn't as awesome as you would, want you'll

728
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: you'll never really see the impact of that on the,

729
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: planet you, know not in your. Lifetime and our brains

730
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: already knew this way before we, did which brings us

731
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: to one of the chilling theories that that. IS i

732
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: don't know about, You, matt but it's sort of changed

733
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: the WAY i look at the. World it's something Called dunbar's.

734
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: Number oh, yes, yeah which we've mentioned. Before it's named

735
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: after A british anthropologist Named Robin. Dunbar long story. Short

736
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: dunbar is convinced through his research that there is a,

737
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: ratio a correlation between brain size in primates and the

738
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: amount of people given primate can consider other people or

739
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: other their, primates, living, thinking feeling beings with their own,

740
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: motivations their own. Goals that number for human, beings according To,

741
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: dunbar is one hundred and fifty people. Ballpark that means

742
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: then that once you get to like one hundred and

743
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: fifty two, people two of those aren't. People they're just

744
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: sort of. Functions they, happen you know WHAT i. Mean they're, bots,

745
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: yeah right, there they're, verbs their, mechanisms their processes that

746
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: you see, it you see moving around, you but you

747
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: don't think of them as.

748
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: People i'm imagining it as a social media. Thing let's just,

749
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: say let's Use. Facebook you've got one hundred and Fifty facebook,

750
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: friends and you know all of, them, right you really

751
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: truly know all those, People and then that that number

752
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: starts to grow and grow and grow and grow and,

753
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: grow and now it's just kind of a picture of

754
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: a representation of a human in each of those.

755
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: Profiles, yeah and you do that obnoxious thing people do

756
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: on social media where you don't really care at someone's,

757
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: birthday but you get a, notification so you pop A

758
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: hbd over, there Because god knows you don't have time

759
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: to write all to both of those words out.

760
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: Right that's. Right so.

761
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: The problem then is If dunbar's theory is, correct the

762
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: problem is less one of material goods or resource, availability

763
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: and it is more one of our inherent neurological, wiring

764
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: our hardwired inability to think that humanity as we understand it,

765
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: exists really exists past a certain threshold of about one

766
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty.

767
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: People but in your experiment, Here, ben we're talking about

768
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: allowing some extremely sophisticated computer system to side who's gonna

769
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: get fed when and with?

770
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: What wait, WAIT i want TO i just want to

771
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: hit this. Though, okay from WHAT i was, saying If

772
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: dunbar's theory is, true then that means all other things, Aside,

773
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: yeah including the most popular ideology of this age or

774
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: the most popular, religion which would be, economy, money, currency

775
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: things like. That that means that we are the biggest

776
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: obstacle to our own. Success the. Problem the problem isn't

777
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: how much food is being. Grown the problem is, us

778
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: you know WHAT i? Mean and GUES i see where you're,

779
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: going where it gets a perfect. Setup do we then

780
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: eschew our individual and species wide. Responsibility do we build

781
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: a better brain and just trust it some kind of sky,

782
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: net some kind of technological god made of ones and

783
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: zeros that will tell us where the cantelope is supposed

784
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: to go every. Harvest for many, people that is a

785
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: troubling thing because then we're. Coast we're consigning our entire

786
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: species existence to be the the children of something else

787
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: that we've, created you know WHAT i. Mean and then

788
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: we have to also say we would blindly trust this,

789
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: thing and we would no matter no matter how what

790
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: kind of system we put in place to watch the

791
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: watchmen as it, were we would have we would have

792
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: very little. Recourse you, know once once you hop on that,

793
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: wagon once you hop on that, train there's not really

794
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: an easy way to get off because of the power

795
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: you would have to give that sort of. Mind, yeah

796
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: Well i'm on. Board you're on.

797
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: Board, yeah let's call IT. Mana uh. Huh it'll be

798
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: THE mana system on The gaya grid and it'll it'll

799
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: just send all the food and water resources necessary to

800
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: the entire globe that needs, them no matter where they're

801
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: produced and at what. Time it'll calculate like when when

802
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: foods will spoil and how far they can actually. Travel,

803
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: oh it's going to be.

804
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Incredible mega algorithmic network. ASSIGNMENT i don't.

805
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: Know that's pretty.

806
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: Good, NO i mean it's good for a nineteen sixties short.

807
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: Story but, yeah there may be an automation in there

808
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: or what's another really GOOD a and not an android? Assistant?

809
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: No oh, yeah, yeah, yeah massive artificial neural.

810
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: Algorithm that's pretty. GOOD i was just thinking more of

811
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: the symbolism of the manna from the. Gods it just,

812
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: falls you, know drops from the. Drones be clear about.

813
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: THAT i am one hundred percent on. BOARD i think

814
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: manna is the way to go because we want something

815
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: that sounds non, threatening, Right but of, course you, know

816
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: you can see how people wouldn't trust that because for many,

817
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: people the existence of something like that would not be

818
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: a positive addition to their immediate. Lives, sure it would

819
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: probably mean that within five or six generations your descendants

820
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: would have would live in a world that was environmentally better, off,

821
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Right and it means that, overall within several, generations people

822
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: in general would be. Okay but for, you, buddy as

823
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: soon as when the manna starts, falling that's gonna mean

824
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: that your quality of life takes a definite and observable,

825
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: hit and you're just gonna have to, trust, like, oh

826
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: there's something bigger than me and bigger than, mana and

827
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: it is this this, tremendous tremendously controversial fat called human human.

828
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: Existence and you know what we'd end up doing if

829
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: we did actually get that system in, place we would

830
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: increase that world population. Clock it would go up well

831
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: a lot, Faster oh, yeah because that's would happen at

832
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: a much smaller rate if everybody had what they. Needed

833
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: and then overpopulation actually truly for real becomes a.

834
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: Problem, yeah and all The malthusians are able to resurrect

835
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: their old. Beliefs and then, furthermore of, course you, know

836
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: we're ascribing benevolence to something like, this some kind of

837
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: creation like.

838
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: This but the big.

839
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Question is if it's solving the Problem the most logical.

840
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: Way then the, easiest most efficient answer to making life

841
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: better for the existing population would be to reduce the

842
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: size of the existing, population and then the survivors would

843
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: not have to take a huge hit on their quality of,

844
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: life and the survivors would actually tend to have a

845
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: better quality of life depending on the size of the

846
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: population you left over if you were A.

847
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: Mana, oh it's just you, know the old artificial intelligence

848
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: culling that we've been waiting.

849
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: For m, hmm, yeah, RIGHT i checked the world clock every.

850
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: Day, well that numbers a lot lower than it should. Be.

851
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you, KNOW i have these these feverish moments

852
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: WHERE i, think one Day i'll check the world clock

853
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: And i'll find out that something terrible has happened because

854
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: it starts going.

855
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: Down yeah. Wow but of COURSE i.

856
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: Wouldn't really work because it's based on these estimates that

857
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: are based on studies that were connected years in the.

858
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: Past have you SEEN i think we've talked about it.

859
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: Before you've seen that movie that was available On netflix

860
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: a little while ago Called Mother, Yes, YES i have, okay,

861
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: yeah OR I Am Mother. No what was it? Called

862
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 2: it was one about THEIR hi, system not the aronofsky, one.

863
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: Right but it's the one about the one about the

864
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: machine consciousness that is raising a.

865
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: Daughter, yes who is? Human? Yes oh, man you could

866
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: it's mana at.

867
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: Work, there it is man at.

868
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: Work it very much.

869
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: Is, well there we. Have it turns out there is

870
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: enough food and potential shelter for every single human being

871
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: living on this. Planet water is a different. Thing we

872
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: still see people dying from, starvation poor, diet, disease lack of,

873
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: shelter and more and more and. More why because there

874
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: are several. Problems, first the existing systems that we came

875
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: up with over thousands and thousands of, years they were

876
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: just not built to accommodate a population of this. Size

877
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: you know WHAT i, Mean like a it's kind of

878
00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: like a like a lemonade stand is not meant to

879
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: be an industrial lemonade. Factory as a matter of, fact

880
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: most kids who start eliminade stand never think this should be.

881
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: Something this should be an operation WHERE i can, feed you,

882
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: know or give ten times the amount of people the

883
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: lemonade THAT i was making for maybe twenty people a.

884
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Day that's just the. Facts now we can make better systems.

885
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Maybe but, second related to this, problem.

886
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: We have just now.

887
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: Begun this is an exciting time to be. Alive we've

888
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: just now begun to create global supply systems capable of

889
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: addressing the labyrintine logistics needed to feed and house. Everyone

890
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: and that's not even counting how to cheap those people

891
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: from getting. Sick that's just making sure they have somewhere

892
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: to sleep and enough to. Eat and, third forget all

893
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: the fancy agricultural, improvements all the hypothetical stuff that we're

894
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: talking about. Today our brains themselves are old. Technology our

895
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: brains are arguably, obsolete and we still don't fully understand.

896
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Them we literally do not have the physiological capacity to

897
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: understand the size of the human, population nor do we

898
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: have the ability to think of this population in terms of.

899
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Individuals we have a limit hardwired to our empathy and.

900
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: Cognition so after about one hundred and fifty or so,

901
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: people you, mean everyone you, know cannot conceive of others as, actual,

902
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: feeling thinking human. Beings do you feel pity for a

903
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: maple tree growing somewhere In missouri and a specific?

904
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: Coordinate? No why would.

905
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: You you know the idea of a maple, tree but

906
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: you don't know that? One, yeah and, like, so how

907
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: is a human being by that maple tree any different

908
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: from the? Tree you know it's not a human, being do?

909
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: You? YEAH i don't know about this stone bar.

910
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: Guy now you think he's poisoning the well Bit.

911
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: It feels like a very pessimistic view of our brains

912
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: and our capacity for. Empathy technically still a, THEORY i,

913
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: KNOW i THINK i think inside of us there is

914
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: more capacity for. It BUT i understand the.

915
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Concept, well, well, okay think about this, then in more

916
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: concrete terms and more microcosmic. Terms, happiness as we understand

917
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: it is kind of. Relative you might ask, yourself how

918
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: can a person making twelve dollars an hour be happier

919
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: than someone making fifty dollars an, hour for? Example, well first,

920
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: off happiness is not entirely based on. Finance we understand.

921
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: That but if we look at that, example we find

922
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: that if someone is making twelve dollars an, hour they'll

923
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: tend to be happier with their income so long as

924
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: they know all their colleagues are making, less all the

925
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: other people work with, them even if it's just a little.

926
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Less if you make twelve dollars an hour and you

927
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: work somewhere where, you, oh for a, fact everybody else

928
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: makes eleven dollars and fifty cents an. Hour just that

929
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: fifty cents will tend to make you. Happier, however let's

930
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: go to our person making fifty bucks an. Hour they'll be,

931
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: irritated they'll be, po'ed they'll be unhappy if they make

932
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: fifty dollars an hour and they know their colleagues are

933
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: making just a little, more you, know it's like fifty

934
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: five dollars an, hour they'll be in sense there is

935
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: no justice in this bleak and, uncaring godless.

936
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: Universe it feels very, relative BUT i guess it.

937
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: Is that's kind of a point, Here and then they

938
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: and they will completely not they will tend to not

939
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: really identify with the person making twelve dollars an hour

940
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: in the office across. Town so it seems that a,

941
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: fine a refined appreciation of inequality then is inherent to

942
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: our our. Existence and probably back an hour just out

943
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: of the trees running around the savannah, days that was

944
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: very beneficial to our. Species so for some, reason we

945
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: humans tend to think of success less in terms of

946
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: having quote unquote, enough and more in terms of having

947
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: more than other, people or LIKE i am successful because

948
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: other people have less than, me or if we want

949
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: to do it a half full, WAY i am successful

950
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: because it could be. WORSE i am better off THAN

951
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: i could. Be and shifting away from this, concept make no,

952
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: mistake would be a fundamental. Change were we this is

953
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: the question bothers, me, man were we to overcome this,

954
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: hurdle would we still be human? Beings would we still

955
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: be the same species.

956
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: If we were no longer jealous of each other's? Finances?

957
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: Finances, yeah but you, know more or less nation into?

958
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: That? Yeah? Interesting, YEAH i think so.

959
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: If we were capable, of if we were capable of

960
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: describing success and happiness in just terms of how AM i?

961
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: Doing AM i? Okay DO i have? Enough instead of

962
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: how AM i? Doing AM i doing better than other?

963
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i don't?

964
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: Know, YEAH i don't. KNOW i think that exists in

965
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people right, now especially people who don't have.

966
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: MUCH i believe. SO i think what we're talking about

967
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: here is really. Describing it's more describing the person that's

968
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: making fifty dollars an, hour who's already experienced that a

969
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: little bit of knowing what having a lot is to.

970
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: Me that's What i'm, Here BUT i don't know if that's.

971
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: True that's interesting because we didn't talk about that. Yet

972
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's a story for another. Day but studies also

973
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: show that people who have want to keep it in

974
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: the realm of, finance people who have lower incomes or

975
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: lower on the socioeconomic scale tend to contribute to. Charities

976
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: they tend to contribute a larger proportion of their income

977
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: than the quote unquote.

978
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: Haves, yeah we did the whole episode on how wealth

979
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: makes you a bad, person WHICH i went.

980
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: Back and re listened to, it AND i was hoping

981
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: things would have.

982
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: Changed they. HAVEN'T i think we nailed.

983
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: It the conclusion of that one, spoiler which still holds

984
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: up and is worth listening, to is that our personal

985
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: opinions aside because science doesn't care about. Those multiple studies

986
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: prove that people tend to behave quote unquote worse the

987
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: higher they go up a certain financial.

988
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: Scale, yeah and.

989
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: Again we're not saying that automatically makes you bad any

990
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: of that. Stuff we're just saying multiple studies prove tend

991
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: people tend to behave in a less cool.

992
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: Man there we. Go it's a good way to put.

993
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: It oh my, gosh. Okay SO i guess the question

994
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: now is like how like, Okay it's a personal, question

995
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: it's and it's aimed at. You how much would you

996
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: give up if you knew that by giving up something

997
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: of yours others would be better off and would be

998
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: safe and would survive and would have more. Happiness how

999
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: much would you be willing to give? Up and that's

1000
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: a tough question to answer BECAUSE i think to you,

1001
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: know every single person here thinks or knows rather that

1002
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: they have responsibilities in their. Life they have you, know

1003
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: maybe a, family maybe a friend, group or a community

1004
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: that they are, supporting that they're doing their best to do,

1005
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: that and then imagining giving up, more it's probably a

1006
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: difficult thing to pose to somebody to think, about even

1007
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: especially if, you especially.

1008
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: For, instance you have no way of proving that that

1009
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: effort would be, reciprocated which is the case and just

1010
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: fundamentally in the. Case and then, furthermore you, know we're

1011
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: not talking about we're not talking about people giving up

1012
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: stuff that was just given to. Them people have worked,

1013
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: hard they have put in, blood, sweat tears and. Time you,

1014
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: know now we're, saying, hey give it up for someone

1015
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: you don't, know and then just trust, us Says, Mana

1016
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: it'll all work, out or in the case Of, mana

1017
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: it would just be a mandated. Thing but, yeah we

1018
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 1: want to. Know is some sort of benevolent machine consciousness

1019
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: our only? Hope can humans get the band back together

1020
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: and put out a more successful album in this in

1021
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: our long discography of? Existence, boy that was a terrible

1022
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: pretty GOOD i don't, know man we're working, live but

1023
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: let us. Know we want to hear from. You as

1024
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: we said at the top of the, show you can

1025
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: tell us your opinion on this On, Facebook, Instagram twitter

1026
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: where conspiracy stuff On twitter we love to recommend Our

1027
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: facebook community. Page here's where it gets. CRAZY i am

1028
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: going to say again that there is a huge chasm

1029
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: between what is possible and what is. Plausible so it

1030
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: is possible to improve the lives of people on the,

1031
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: planet of everyone on the, planet is it? PLAUSIBLE i

1032
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: don't think. SO i don't think we're there.

1033
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: YET i think we will be, there but it's going

1034
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: to take a global catastrophe.

1035
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: And then that'll get us to that kind of Star

1036
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: trek yep post scarcity where there is a threat to

1037
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: the species at large and there kind of is.

1038
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: One, guys it's called global climate.

1039
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: Change oh but you WHAT i, Mean but you're talking

1040
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: about something More hollywood. FRIENDLY i am Talking hollywood. Friendly

1041
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: i'm talking.

1042
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: A little bit of. Bluebeam but it doesn't necessarily mean.

1043
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: BLUEBEAN i just mean if there is enough of a

1044
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,479
Speaker 2: threat to the species at, LARGE i think preserving each

1045
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: and every individual will become, paramount and then these kinds

1046
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: of changes will.

1047
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: Occur, right because they'll have, to and the size of

1048
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: the problem will be smaller. Too.

1049
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah so let it there's a global. PANDEMIC i, oh

1050
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: maybe pandemic occurring right.

1051
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: Now, yeah but again to our earlier, CONVERSATION i feel

1052
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: like THE i feel like it's a battle of semantics with,

1053
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: pandemic you know WHAT i. MEAN i know the official

1054
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: definition is not going to change the way and infection

1055
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: ravages a.

1056
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: Body maybe, MAYBE i don't, know how about the, numerous

1057
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: very troubling outbreaks occurring across the.

1058
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Planet, yeah maybe that'll maybe that'll be what it. Takes

1059
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: maybe that'll be the big kickstart we. Need, right it'll be,

1060
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: zombies the zombies or, yeah, ALIENS i would, say or

1061
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: a huge natural, disaster non terrestrial.

1062
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: Disaster, Well, matt it.

1063
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: Happened we once again started talking about the end of the.

1064
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: World, yes and stuff is.

1065
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: Bleak, Well, hey here's a question that's probably on everybody's

1066
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: mind as we reach the end of today's. Show what

1067
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: how can they tell us their take on whether there's

1068
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: enough for? Everyone, if LIKE i have an opinion about,

1069
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: this for, instance BUT i hate using social? Media how

1070
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: DO i get in contact with you?

1071
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Guys, ah you can call. Us our number is one

1072
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: eight three three STD. Wytk give us a, call tell

1073
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: us what you think you might end up on an.

1074
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 2: Episode but one way or, another we're going to hear

1075
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: what you were, saying and that is either a good

1076
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: thing or a bad thing for. You but we're excited

1077
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: to hear your, opinions your, jokes your ideas for. Episodes

1078
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: whatever you want to tell, us give us a. Call

1079
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: you can call, in just like this person did last.

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Speaker 5: Night hi, There this Is jade From, Spokane. WASHINGTON i

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Speaker 5: was just reflecting on your guys' recent episode about the.

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Speaker 5: Coronavirus AND i live In, spokane, obviously AND i live

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Speaker 5: about a quarter mile away from a hospital where they

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Speaker 5: have TAKEN i think, five maybe more patients that have

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Speaker 5: been infected with the coronavirus and are holding them at

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Speaker 5: that hospital because it's one of ten in THE. Us

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Speaker 5: but ever since that was, ANNOUNCED i have seen at

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Speaker 5: least two helicopters a day come in and, out and

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Speaker 5: it'll be at random times at. Night and, Yeah i'm

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Speaker 5: not so sure that those are legit.

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Speaker 2: Helicopters not sure what you mean? There?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting, yeah who's?

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Speaker 2: Controlling like what is the company basically and what is their?

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Speaker 1: Purpose, yeah it's thank you first off for calling in

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Speaker 1: with this on the ground. News we need primary. Sources

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Speaker 1: as we know our coronavirus, episode we went back and.

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Speaker 1: Forth we felt it was important to make this, episode

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Speaker 1: and we knew that because we were in the nascent

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Speaker 1: stages of the development of the, infection we would have

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Speaker 1: to come and do an. Update so we need your

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Speaker 1: help with, this especially if you have on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Experience the sad truth of the matter, here and the

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Speaker 1: dangerous truth of the, matter is that given the way

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Speaker 1: THE us is currently HANDLED covid, nineteen there are easily

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Speaker 1: thousands of undiagnosed cases, around you, know AND i WOULD

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Speaker 1: i would not be surprised at all if the official

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Speaker 1: messaging we're getting does not match the actual activities that

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Speaker 1: governments or states are taking to stave off the.

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Speaker 2: Infection, YES i, KNOW i. DO i agree with. That

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Speaker 2: it is one of those things that is still making me.

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Speaker 2: Nervous my newsfeed is just filled with updates about new

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Speaker 2: clusters of infections and it's given me. Nightmares but thank

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Speaker 2: you for calling in with information from a specific. Area

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Speaker 2: feel free to call back again with any kind of

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Speaker 2: update You in, PARTICULAR i Believe jade is what you,

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Speaker 2: said and anyone else please call, in leave a, message

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Speaker 2: and if you don't want to do, that please send

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Speaker 2: us a good old fashioned.

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