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Speaker 2: To say your days the gun.

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Speaker 1: Walk Up Sam, Thursday, December twenty third. This is the

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Speaker 1: Just Baseball Show. I am joined by arm Leyden and

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Speaker 1: Clay Snowden are resident Reds guy, but I'm just baseball contributor.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm upset for a couple of reasons, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Arham. I was just with you

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Speaker 1: in Florida and I complained about the weather, but generally

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Speaker 1: it was very sunny. And now I'm back in Santa Barbara.

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Speaker 1: First day I get here, it's cloudy and rainy, and

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Speaker 1: Santa Barbara is a place where there's consistent droughts because

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Speaker 1: But I also get upset when teams specific teeter the

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Speaker 1: line between trying to rebuild and trying to make it.

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Speaker 1: They're just the middle ground teams that I'm always saying

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Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity to play general manager for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: reds Now. I just came in very heated. How are

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Speaker 3: We had the best weather that we had.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me that.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 4: It was like sixty five, went out, you know, went

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Speaker 4: always love to put the GM hat And I'm pumped

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Speaker 4: that we have Clay to like kind of keep us

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Speaker 4: frickin way the Reds would ever do that, because I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Clay, he's a perfect person to have on here

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Speaker 1: because I'm trying for the Yankees to trade for Luis

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Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping us in check. You know I'm

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Speaker 5: You all are in Florida and California, and I'm in

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Speaker 5: freaking Lexington, Kentucky. So I'm doing about as well as

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Speaker 5: you can do in Lexanon, Kentucky, cheering for a team

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Speaker 1: a shirt hashtag Bigger than Baseball, which you guys can

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I know the arm gets this all the time,

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Speaker 1: So, Ellie de la Cruz, I saw something that you

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy from the group chat.

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Speaker 4: We go out there and say it, and I'm going

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Speaker 5: You top one one hundred, what prove it? In your

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Speaker 1: Gonna be exciting. But no, but genuinely because that it

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Speaker 4: He's already putting up higher eggs of velos and he's

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Speaker 4: So and it's not like I'm not trying to like

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Speaker 4: Me hating Domingez, Like I still think you could all

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Speaker 3: Seventh grade, Peter.

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Speaker 1: I know, and I'm talking about in baseball it always

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Speaker 4: Well, the problem too, is is this guy's far off.

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Speaker 4: Sarena is so far off till a Cruz this is

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 5: So first I want to touch a little bit on Domingas.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the move right now.

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Speaker 5: I think what they could be doing is waiting until

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Speaker 5: Can you trade him? If they could? I absolutely would.

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Speaker 5: He still has some pop, that's all you can do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this guy strikes out. He brings nothing besides

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Speaker 5: Well that's what they need to be deciding this offseason.

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Speaker 5: Just knowing how much it's going to be and having

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Speaker 5: We'll make you know, determining what moves your next a

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Speaker 1: is he doing.

437
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Speaker 5: He's a corner outfielder, first baseman who does nothing. I mean,

438
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Speaker 5: they are always around, you can find them everywhere. So

439
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Speaker 5: Simon doesn't let's do this because.

440
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Speaker 1: The Reds are so tough to evaluate because they can

441
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Speaker 1: go so many different directions, somewhat similar to the Guardians,

442
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Speaker 1: but the Reds are in a more interesting type spot.

443
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Speaker 1: Let's play rebuild and then retool. So let's go down

444
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Speaker 1: two different buckets. Because if I'm in the Reds bucket

445
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Speaker 1: and they're just gonna stay mediocre, that just sounds like

446
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Speaker 1: the absolute worst thing for the fans. So what we're

447
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Speaker 1: gonna do is give them a plan to rebuild, tear

448
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Speaker 1: it all down. But then also if they plan to

449
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Speaker 1: go for it, because they still have good players, like

450
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Speaker 1: they could still keep Suddy Great, Luis Castillo, bring up

451
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Speaker 1: their young pitchers. They still got some hitters in that lineup,

452
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Speaker 1: like Jesse Winker, they got dudes, they can resign Costianos.

453
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Speaker 1: So then let's retool them and make them contenders. But first,

454
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Speaker 1: I think we should rebuild, and I think we should

455
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Speaker 1: start with your article because you wrote an article on

456
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Speaker 1: Just Baseball dot com roster questions the Cincinnati Reds need

457
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Speaker 1: to answer post lockout, and your first one will for

458
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Speaker 1: it's kind of perfect because you need to determine the direction.

459
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Speaker 1: But something that I saw the next bullet point was

460
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Speaker 1: trade Sonny Gray, So let's start there. And you wrote

461
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Speaker 1: the article. So who you trained Stunny Gray too? And why?

462
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Speaker 1: And give me the LOWO.

463
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Speaker 5: I was going to write this article when I was

464
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Speaker 5: doing all the other off season outlook articles in the

465
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Speaker 5: beginning of the off season, but I was waiting for

466
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Speaker 5: the Reds to make a move that said we're selling

467
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Speaker 5: or buying or whatnot. They never really made that huge move,

468
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Speaker 5: I mean, moving.

469
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Speaker 1: On from Wade Miley.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, that's ten million dollars for a

471
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Speaker 5: thirty five year old that pitched the best season he

472
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Speaker 5: will ever choch shove Like yeah, like he's not doing

473
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Speaker 5: it again, Cubs like you can enjoy him, but maybe

474
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Speaker 5: he will, Like he's so weird, he might he won't.

475
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Speaker 5: I know, the peripherals don't look good, but like weirdly,

476
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Speaker 5: he's one of those guys that numbers don't even matter

477
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Speaker 5: because like, how did they not crush him last year?

478
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Speaker 1: So he just may shock the world again.

479
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Speaker 5: Maybe I doubt it's just be.

480
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Speaker 1: Like, no, he's not gonna.

481
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't bet on it, but it's not gambling advice.

482
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Speaker 5: Trading Sonny Gray, however, is not even a rebuild move

483
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Speaker 5: in my opinion. He's a super attractive piece to certain teams.

484
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Speaker 5: If you strike out in free agency on these top pitchers,

485
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 5: which some have already been off the market, Let's say

486
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Speaker 5: we get you know, post lockout. A month goes by

487
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Speaker 5: and you miss out on a couple of starters that

488
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Speaker 5: you were targeting. Okay, Sonny Gray at ten million this

489
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Speaker 5: year in a twelve million option next year, that's super

490
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Speaker 5: affordable for a guy who has pitched ace level at

491
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Speaker 5: times and at his worst is you know a three

492
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Speaker 5: or four. I mean John, you know, John Gray's you know,

493
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Speaker 5: getting more money than that.

494
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Speaker 1: So in my.

495
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Speaker 5: Opinion, he's going to be really attractive now. He's thirty

496
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Speaker 5: one years old. He came over from the Yankees after

497
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Speaker 5: struggling and has really pitched well with the Reds. Last

498
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Speaker 5: year wasn't as good, And in my opinion, the reason

499
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Speaker 5: why I want to move on from him is because

500
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Speaker 5: the Reds so many times have waited too long to

501
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Speaker 5: move on from somebody. He's dealt with some injury issues

502
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Speaker 5: and they're lingering injuries. It's not just you know, he

503
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 5: broke his toe and he's out, and you know, it's

504
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Speaker 5: back issues and stuff that kind of kept coming up,

505
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Speaker 5: and it just worries me so at this point, if

506
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Speaker 5: you have an attractive piece in a position which you're

507
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Speaker 5: strong not only on the major league roster but also

508
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Speaker 5: with minor league depth, why not move him and improve

509
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Speaker 5: the depth of that farm system, which in my opinion's

510
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Speaker 5: top heavy in a lot of kind of boom or

511
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Speaker 5: bus prospects. After that, strengthen the farm system, and then

512
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Speaker 5: you'll get some money instead of that ten and twelve

513
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Speaker 5: million to an aging Sonny Gray. Okay, well, Louis Castillo,

514
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Speaker 5: you want to keep him around, there's some extra money.

515
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Speaker 5: Tyler Malley, you want to sign him long term, there's

516
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Speaker 5: some extra money. So I just think it's a perfect

517
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Speaker 5: time to trade him. I don't know why a team

518
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Speaker 5: wouldn't want Sunny Gray. Just about everybody could use him

519
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Speaker 5: at that price tag.

520
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Speaker 1: Are you concerned with Molly's splits also, Tyler, we're deciding

521
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Speaker 1: it right now, or Tyler Mally?

522
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Speaker 5: Tyler Madley, I was listening to your Girls podcast when

523
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 5: you were debating that, and I was screaming, it's Mally.

524
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Speaker 5: But am I concerned about splits? I wrote an.

525
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Speaker 1: Article about it for Just Baseball, the exactly first article.

526
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Speaker 1: He is.

527
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Speaker 5: Super talented when he's on. Yeah, he really.

528
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Speaker 1: Is I mean, not advice, but I was on him

529
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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah.

530
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Speaker 5: Well, and when I was writing this article, I just

531
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Speaker 5: kept looking at It's like, oh my gosh, I do

532
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 5: not know what to think of him because he'll give

533
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: up seven runs one game and then pitch six scoreless

534
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Speaker 5: innings the next game.

535
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Speaker 1: Incredible.

536
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Speaker 5: I think he is somebody who they should keep around.

537
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 5: He has enough talent if he can just figure out.

538
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 5: I really couldn't. I don't have all the access to

539
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 5: every stat that arm has, so maybe he has a

540
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 5: better insight on this, but I really couldn't pinpoint anything.

541
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Speaker 5: Maybe it was a mental thing. Just pitching on home

542
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 5: you couldn't do it now. The fly ball issue, I.

543
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Speaker 1: Mean great amount in ballpark, hard on the pitch.

544
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 5: In Yeah, I think I might even be able to

545
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 5: hit a home run out of there, but I absolutely

546
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 5: could not get out of it. But I think Tyler maley'

547
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 5: is a guy that they should lock up. He's pitched

548
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 5: super well. He's I think twenty seven years old and

549
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 5: part and part of the future, especially if that window

550
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 5: is to still compete in the near future, meaning within

551
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 5: the next four years, then yeah, you should lock him up.

552
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: And moving on from Sunny Gray.

553
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 5: Some fans went on like that, but his value is

554
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 5: still high right now, or high enough he's going to

555
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 5: have an attractive market. Get out of that before it

556
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 5: becomes kind of kind of like the Jay Bruce thing

557
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: where it's like, man, we showed traded Jay Bruce two

558
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 5: years ago. Well here's Dylson Herrera and he will do

559
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 5: absolutely nothing for you. So I don't want that his

560
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: situation to come up.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.

562
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Speaker 4: I like that idea a lot, because, like you said,

563
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Speaker 4: there's gonna be there's gonna be a laundry list of

564
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: teams that want Sonny Gray on eleven twelve million dollar

565
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: annual value deal a little bit less than that over

566
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Speaker 4: the next two years.

567
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a dream. And what I look,

568
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Speaker 3: what I'm looking at.

569
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Speaker 4: Here is like, who are the partners who make sense

570
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: that could kind of help the Reds now and later

571
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: if I'm the Reds, you know, yeah, I want to

572
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: bolster the farm system, but I also want prospects that

573
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: are close to big league ready because like I said,

574
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many guys that are so far off,

575
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: and so many guys that are extremely volatile and wide

576
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: range of outcomes.

577
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: Types of players.

578
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Speaker 4: I look at a team like the Giants who's still

579
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 4: kind of looking to fill up their rotation and needing

580
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Speaker 4: to keep up with the Dodgers, and Sonny Gray seems

581
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: to make a ton of sense. Won't break the bank

582
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Speaker 4: for them, and they've got more than enough prospects to

583
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: send over to the to the Reds that I think

584
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: would make sense. I mean, if you get a Helliet

585
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: Ramos and some other pieces.

586
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Speaker 1: Wow, you probably would trade Ramos for Gray.

587
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, really absolutely, I think so.

588
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: Because Luis Montos is really emerged and they have some

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 4: talent at the big league level. I think that's one

590
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: of those guys they're okay dealing with or dealing away

591
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: because you've got Luciano at the top. I know he's

592
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: an infielder, but you've got Matos as the outfielder. Hunter

593
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 4: Bishop is starting to look a little bit.

594
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: Better as well.

595
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: I'm not huge on him, but he's still somebody that's

596
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: in the fold there, and they've got some other pieces

597
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 4: in a strong system overall, I would, in one millisecond

598
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Speaker 4: on both sides do that, and I think it would

599
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: be Ramos in another piece, to be honest. After Ramos

600
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: had a bit of a down year, he goes into

601
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: a more hitter friendly environment can play center field for you.

602
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: I think that's like the ultimate trade partner, where you're

603
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: clearing up money. Maybe now you can address some other

604
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: needs with some of that money that you have via

605
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 4: free agency, because there's the Donovan Solanos of the world

606
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: who crush left handed pitching that you can add in there,

607
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: the Josh Harrison's of the world. So you use some

608
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: of that money, allocate it that way, and go get

609
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: your answer in center field for potentially the next six

610
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: years if he puts it all together. That's the kind

611
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: of move I'd like to see the Right to make

612
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: where you're like, yeah, we're not quite going for it,

613
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: but we're still trying to remain competitive. Now we could

614
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: sneak in, but we're also trying to set ourselves.

615
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: Up for the future. That's the kind of move that

616
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Speaker 3: seems to make sense for me.

617
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the area of need, and I've been saying

618
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Speaker 5: this since last year is centerfield is number one problem

619
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Speaker 5: with the Cincinnati Rights. And people will tell you it's

620
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Speaker 5: not and people will say other positions, but what they

621
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: don't realize is Nixon Zel cannot be relied on for anything.

622
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Speaker 1: Why is he second.

623
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Speaker 5: Basement, third basement, brought up to play center field? He

624
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: was mediocre in center and to be I mean he

625
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 5: was okay.

626
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Speaker 1: Tom, did you given up on him already?

627
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: You?

628
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: I gave up on him, lit, I mean, I tweeted

629
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Speaker 5: out last year like I'm just not a Nixon Zela guy,

630
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: and I got a lot of hate. But it's hard

631
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 5: here for someone who's not on the field.

632
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like you can't give up on

633
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Speaker 1: him yet because I I we were looking at like

634
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: his hard hit data, it just almost seemed like he

635
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: would got a little bit unlucky. But then again, he's

636
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: not on the field, so it's like we cannot We

637
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: don't have enough data to really to really know what

638
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: we have with Nick Senzel. And I think that's the

639
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: problem that Red's fans have is they don't know what

640
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: to do with him. Nixon Zel.

641
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: To me, the expectations simply need to change about what

642
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: he is instead of thinking he's going to be some

643
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 5: superstar former top prospect. Fans need to shift expectations, and

644
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: in my opinion, why not make him the super utility guy.

645
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 5: The Reds are always injured, the Reds have terrible splits

646
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 5: against lefties. Why not bring him in? He can play second, third, outfield.

647
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 5: He wouldn't He wouldn't play every day, but maybe starting

648
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 5: sixty percent of games get him in there often. One,

649
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: you can play him against matchups that you like. Two,

650
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 5: you aren't playing him every single day in a position

651
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: where he's more likely to get injured because that's what

652
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: he does best. In Three, if he simply is regulated

653
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 5: to that role, maybe he performs better simply because the

654
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 5: pressure of former top pick, you have to be our everyday,

655
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 5: you know, center fielder and do this, that and the other.

656
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 5: I think it's just time for him to take a

657
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 5: different role than savior of the Cincinnati Reds because he's

658
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 5: just not able to fulfill that, which is okay, that's fine,

659
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: but they need to find a role for him, and

660
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: super utility would be, in my opinion, the best platform.

661
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: So speaking about a dude who sucks against lefties but

662
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: is one of the best hitters in baseball off right

663
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: headed pitching, what are you doing with Jesse Winker, Because

664
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: you had a great quote in your article that although

665
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: he was in MVP discussions, he's basically a very high

666
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: quality platoon guy, because the splits are that dramatic, like

667
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I you wrote it. Against righty's last season he hit

668
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: three forty six with a four to twenty eight on

669
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: base six slugging, but against lefties he hit one seventy

670
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: six and only slug two eighty four. So Clay, if

671
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: we're rebuilding, are you looking across the market and saying,

672
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you know what, who wants him?

673
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: Yeah? So everyone thinks that I don't like Jesse Winker.

674
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: I like him a lot. It's hard to argue with

675
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 5: the facts. He is a high level platoon player, that's

676
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 5: all he is, and all he can do is hit righties.

677
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: He cannot run, he cannot field, and he can't hit.

678
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 5: He can't hit lefties. In an ideal world, he is.

679
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 5: You know, everyone was praising the Giants last year. Look

680
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: at them, they're platooning. They're being so smart. Okay, Well,

681
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: if the Reds adopt that, people need to realize your

682
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: MVP fanboy of Jesse Winker needs to realize that he's

683
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 5: only playing against right handed pitching and maybe he turns

684
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: into a DH. I mean, he's you can put him

685
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: in field. It's not the clorst thing in the world,

686
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 5: but Would you trade him is the question. It of

687
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: course depends on the return, but I would like to

688
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: keep him. I just think you really have to paint

689
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 5: that picture of you're a platoon, left field or slash

690
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 5: DH like you are not an MVP level player. We're

691
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 5: not giving you eighteen twenty million dollars a year. That's

692
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 5: just not who you are. And again that's not me

693
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 5: talking negatively about him.

694
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: That's just me being you don't even realistic of who

695
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: he is. You don't think eighteen to twenty. I'm just

696
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: seeing some of these contracts go out and I'm saying,

697
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: how could he even not get eighteen to twenty Andrew

698
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: Keen He's making eight million. I'll tell you why.

699
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 5: It's because he's never played over like one hundred and

700
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: thirty games, because he's constantly injured. And that's just all

701
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 5: the other thing with the.

702
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: Reds' you're talking about him in the field, he single

703
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: handedly lost me two bets for those plays out in

704
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: left field, dropping fly balls, tracking the ball back, just

705
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: hitting off his glove. I'm like, is this the league?

706
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: Like you're an MVP candidate currently. This is in the

707
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: middle of the season when he was destroying baseballs, and

708
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: it was like, this guy is the MVP. He looks

709
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: like me out in left field, but do but he rakes,

710
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: he rakes, Like there are some points where I'm like, wow,

711
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: he against right handed pitching especially, is one of the

712
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: best hitters in the league. But you point to the

713
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: splits and you're like, well, you got to put him

714
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: in the right position for him to succeed. Not he

715
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: can be in any position and succeed.

716
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: So his his injuries are super concerning because it's constant. Now,

717
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 5: it's not Nixon Zel level, but this is a theme

718
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 5: with the Reds. They have a ton of players who

719
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 5: miss time consistently because of injuries. And just to give

720
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 5: you an idea, whenever you think or the Red's gonna

721
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 5: make the smart move, the Reds played Jesse Winker in

722
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: center field two years ago. So that's all you need

723
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 5: to know about the Ruins in their baseball sense. But yeah,

724
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: so if I'm the Reds, I say to Jesse Winker,

725
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: we will lock you up. But almost kind of like

726
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 5: the By and Buxton thing where it's like, hey, you

727
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: know you are injured a lot. You're a really good player,

728
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 5: but you have X, Y and Z as flalls or

729
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 5: setbacks in the contract's going to reflect that.

730
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: I just can't emphasize enough though. I mean, you cannot

731
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: run it back next year with this gaping splits issue.

732
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: You just can't.

733
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 4: I mean, Peter and I talked about it a lot

734
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 4: on the show last year. It's to the point where

735
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a joke. I mean, it doesn't matter

736
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: who throws it could be it could be me with

737
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 4: my left hand, and that's what we're talking about, and

738
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: they can't hit it because you look through. It's not

739
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: just a Jesse Winker issue. Joey Vado is miserable against lefties.

740
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 4: At this point his career, thirty one of his thirty

741
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: six on runs game against right He's had two fifteen

742
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 4: against lefties with with a miserable slash line.

743
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: Even Auhenio Suarez, I'm pretty sure has.

744
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: He's supposed to hit lefties?

745
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: Who is?

746
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: He hits.

747
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: Nothing. Nay Quinn can't hit lefties, you know.

748
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: So I'm looking through this whole team and I'm just like,

749
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: they need to offset it with the lefty killer.

750
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 3: And that's exactly why.

751
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the Donovan Solanos of the world, and

752
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: as unexciting as that is, like, that makes a huge

753
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 4: difference because you look at Donovan Solana the player, and

754
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: of course they're like, eh, that's not that exciting. But

755
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 4: Donovan Solana the player hit three thirty five against South

756
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: far he kind of rakes. He hits three thirty five

757
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: against South Pause. Now you have Jesse in this instance.

758
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: Let's say he's platuning with you know, just just for

759
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: argument's sake, he's.

760
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: To just be the starting second basement for the Reds.

761
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, forget India.

762
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: But you know who's India.

763
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: Who's at India?

764
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Gay forget because we just have a mention ships of like,

765
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: oh well who's at second base? Oh, their best player.

766
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense, just just for.

767
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: Sorry, go let me let me finish this real quick,

768
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: because I was to say, just for argument's sake, I

769
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: know he's not gonna play the outfield, but just for

770
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: the platoon argument, Jesse Winker three point thirty three forty

771
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: hitter minimum again against righty's right he's a sub two

772
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: hundred hitter against lefties. You throw in Donovan Solano, who

773
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: hits three twenty against the lefties as well. Now you've

774
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: created just one superstar. And that's exactly what the Giants

775
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: did all the time with their platoons, not just finding platoons,

776
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: it's finding those extreme platoons and offsetting it with another

777
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: extreme platoon to create just this.

778
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: Sick, sick super player.

779
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what I think they need to do

780
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 4: and find one or two of those guys. There's a

781
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: lot of them in the free agent market. If you're

782
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: going to go trade with the Giants, have them throwing

783
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: Wilmer Flores too, the ultimate lefty killer. And I'm sure

784
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: the Giants will be happy to do that in a

785
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 4: deal for Sonny Gray. I don't think they care. But anyway,

786
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: go ahead, Clay.

787
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: What do you think?

788
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 5: These are two names off the top of my head.

789
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 5: This may be miserable, but it will make for good content.

790
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 5: Of it is, why not throw a little bit of

791
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 5: money on a one year deal with Andrew McCutcheon, or

792
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: or make a trade. If I think Baltimore picked up

793
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: Trey Mansney, I mean eight million dollars last year of

794
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 5: a contract, why not trade a look, you know, a

795
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 5: mid level guy, and then he could play against lefties.

796
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be more expensive than that. He ranks

797
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: it was a million for his.

798
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 5: I'm saying to trade for I don't know if he

799
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 5: will be that I mean Baltimore. I think he might

800
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 5: be a little bit higher.

801
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be higher, just because they

802
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: don't want to trade him to like they're gonna say,

803
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: They're gonna say, wow me, like this guy's too important

804
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: to us.

805
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: Where's he going to play in Baltimore?

806
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

807
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, his power is legit.

808
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: First, Yeah, that guy can't play keep these drafts is

809
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 4: a short stop.

810
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: It's just crazy.

811
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: Uh, question for you, is there any chance in the

812
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: world that the Reds trade some prospects out for a

813
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: controllable big league piece.

814
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 5: The one name that I keep coming across, and I've

815
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 5: said this a lot. If you're a small market team,

816
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 5: you have to be risky. And I'm not saying like ultra,

817
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 5: you know, out of control, but you have to take

818
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 5: a risk time and time again to make your team

819
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 5: better because you can't cover up mistakes with high price

820
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 5: free agents typically, So if you want to roll the

821
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 5: dice on a player who might be available, why not

822
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 5: look at a deal for Kyle Lewis. I actually like

823
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: this fit because what if you want to do a

824
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: deal that involves Sonny Gray and you include Kyle Lewis,

825
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying this is the shape deal, but

826
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 5: also include Chris Flexen.

827
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: And why do you do that? Because Chris flex is

828
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: not that great?

829
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: But he can slot in until the other players were

830
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 5: ready for the Reds, right, so he can come in

831
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 5: and eat up some innings. He pitched well last year.

832
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be that good this.

833
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: Year, but you don't think so.

834
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: I mean, he's fine. I don't think he's like great, right,

835
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 5: I don't like him, But if you're not.

836
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: Letting Chris Flexen stop you from getting Sonny Grath.

837
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: Right, maybe I think of Chris Flexen kind of highly,

838
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: like I mean, you're getting Sonny Gray, I know, but

839
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: it is Sonny Gray next year gonna be much better

840
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: than Chris Flexen.

841
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: Is next year, I think, so. I don't know.

842
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 5: So Kyle Lewis, though, why why not take a risk

843
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: on Chole Lewis. I like him as a player, and

844
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 5: I think Seattle said any production we get out of

845
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: him we consider a plus. So they don't even know

846
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 5: if and I know the injury history, but like I said,

847
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 5: sometimes you have to take a risk, and it wouldn't

848
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: be a straight up trade there, there'd be other pieces involved.

849
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 5: But somebody like that. It's a very Indians trade. The

850
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 5: Indians always like to get young players who are controllable,

851
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: with some with some MLB experience. Yeah, so why not

852
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: go that route?

853
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: I got another one for you because Lewis My concerned

854
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: with Lewis is I don't think he sticks in center.

855
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: I think with his knee, he's had two knee injuries

856
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: now one was catastrophic. Do they move him to a

857
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: corner at that.

858
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 5: Point, the corner outfield?

859
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: You want to talk about rolling the dice with a

860
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: guy with control, how about a Ramone Loreana. And this

861
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: is Ramone Loreano is a lefty murderer. I mean, absolutely

862
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: demolish his lefties supreme glove out there. I think the

863
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: offense will eave him play up even more in Great

864
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: American ballbox. Remember he's playing in Oakland where it is

865
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: really hard to hit the ball out of there, and.

866
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: His offensive stats have really ticked up.

867
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 4: Yes, the Peds, I'm well aware, not that concerned about

868
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: it because he's he's a Gold Glove caliber defender in centerfield.

869
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 4: And I still think the offense is going to play up,

870
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: and he's a plus runner and all that good stuff.

871
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: I love Loreano. You might be able to get him

872
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 4: on the low because of the peds and and because

873
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: of a little bit of injury stuff.

874
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: The problem is, what are you trading?

875
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: Because I don't I'm trying to contextualize and just think

876
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: about what the Reds are doing here. They've got to

877
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: be okay with giving up prospects if you're getting a

878
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: controllable big league piece, because it seems like they don't

879
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 4: want to click the reset button, Like, are you okay

880
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: with trading and Matt McClain in that deal, are you

881
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 4: trying to package together like an Alan Sarta and send

882
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: zeal And Lyon Richardson or something to get that done?

883
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

884
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 5: And when I so, I thought of that exact name

885
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 5: a few weeks ago. Whenever I think about these trades,

886
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 5: I always, of course ask myself, Okay, what would the

887
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: Reds have to give up? Next question would be, okay,

888
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: how many teams would be able to top that trade?

889
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 5: And to me, I think, if he's available in the Reds,

890
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: I'm not at that threat. Like the thresholder right now

891
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: would be probably Alan s maybe I don't even know

892
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: at that point, you know, plus pieces whatever. But I'm

893
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: always saying, Okay, if a team that's closer to contending,

894
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 5: would they be able to top that trade?

895
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

896
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 5: Would the Reds be able to you know, raise it?

897
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 5: I wouldn't if I was the Reds. Yes, simply because

898
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 5: that's one piece and the Reds are not one piece away.

899
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 5: The Reds need, I mean, in my opinion, three outfielders

900
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 5: because you need someone to platoon with Winker, you need

901
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 5: a right fielder. Nay Quinn's a fourth outfielder on a

902
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 5: on a good team, and he's a you know, you're

903
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 5: if he's your third best outfielder, that's mediocre, I guess.

904
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 5: But you know, he played well last year, but he's

905
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 5: been injured his entire career and he was a non

906
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: roster Invitt who made the team. Like he's fine, But

907
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: at what point is is fine not enough? And for

908
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: the Reds right now, I don't think they're you know,

909
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 5: one piece away. But that's the the thing about centerfield

910
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 5: is there's really nobody in their prospect pool that's going

911
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 5: to be up in two years that is a sure

912
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 5: thing in center or even will stick in center and

913
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 5: that's alarming considering you know, they've been building this roster

914
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 5: and they're just like neglected. Keep in mind, they did

915
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 5: not really have a center fielder before either. Nixon Zel

916
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 5: was not a center fielder. They made him one second,

917
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: they put Jose Barrero in centerfield.

918
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: This is a short stuff.

919
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: Jose Barrera never played center field until he got to

920
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: the MLB, and they're like, hey, buddy, go out in

921
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 5: center field.

922
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: Centerfield's like a premium position, So I have another one

923
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: to throw at you. And this player kind of fits

924
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: in all these different buckets. Risk outfield, young, and is

925
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: better against left handed pitching. And do you trade Luis

926
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: Castillo for Joe Adell from the Angels? Is that a

927
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: guy that No, you just straight up wouldn't do that,

928
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: Marc No, Well, I know you probably want Marsh, But

929
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: thinking about it, do you think the Angels would trade

930
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: brand and Marsh over Jo Adell? Maybe also Arm that's

931
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: a question for you too. I'm assuming they'd rather keep

932
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: Brandon Marsh than Joe Adell. So that's what I'm thinking.

933
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: If Luis Castillo or Sonny Gray goes over for Joe Adell,

934
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of risky because Arm you've spoke to this.

935
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: You don't love the swing, but he is a freak

936
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and he's crazy athletic, and maybe in the right situation,

937
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: maybe you put him in Great American Ballpark and he

938
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: starts raking. Yeah, he starts raking. That's what I'm saying.

939
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: So could that be a guy who they look at

940
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: for one of these starting pitchers because the Angels need

941
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: pitching more than anybody, I mean not actually more than anybody,

942
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: since they've actually done well with Patrick Sandoval, Jose Suarez obviously,

943
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: Shoho Tania now know is cindergard. But I think Luis Castillo,

944
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: you put him in that rotation, then you put Joe

945
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: Adele in that outfield, you know, that's that's that's moving

946
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: towards something.

947
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 5: So the way that I see Luis Castillo is he

948
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 5: is potentially an ACE, but a super high two if

949
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 5: not an ace, right, he can pull a Yeah, he

950
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: can kind of pitch up and down. But if I'm

951
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: the Reds, I listen to, you know, any type of

952
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 5: call on Castillo, and I pull the trigger if it's

953
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: an overpay, and that's it.

954
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything that I think is.

955
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 5: Fair because a building you still wouldn't. Even at his age,

956
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: you can sign him for another contract. And if I'm

957
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 5: the Reds, I need in my opinion, I would not

958
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 5: trade him year. I would try to either sign him,

959
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: or if I were to trade him, would be for

960
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 5: a king's ransom that I don't think anyone will be

961
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 5: willing to give up because the Reds are not in

962
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: a position where they need to trade Louis Castillo. If

963
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 5: they were burning it down, it may be different, but

964
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: I don't think that they need to completely burn it down.

965
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: I don't see the point in that.

966
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: But Joe Adell, particularly to me, is just not someone

967
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 5: that I'm willing to trade the most valuable trade piece

968
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 5: for a guy who's in my opinion, risky. Now, you know,

969
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 5: when I was saying make a risky move, I was

970
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 5: talking about you know, Sonny Gray or somebody else. Louis

971
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 5: Castillo can just in my opinion, he can bring back

972
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 5: a piece that's almost a sure thing, and Joe Adell

973
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 5: is not that.

974
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a raise in the back pocket kind of right,

975
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 4: and like it all goes bad, that's the one guy

976
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 4: that can jumpstart your system and jump start your rebuild.

977
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: And that's the interesting point.

978
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: And I think you know, with with Castillo's volatility, as

979
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: Peter point pointed towards this coming season, if he's just

980
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: dealing through the first half, you might be able to

981
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: leverage a king ransom because as we know, I mean,

982
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: arms are going to go down, right, I mean, it's

983
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: an unfortunate reality of baseball as arms go down.

984
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 3: And if Castillo hits that hot streak, as.

985
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: We know he can hit and he's when he's going right,

986
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 4: he could be one of the best pitchers in baseball.

987
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 4: You don't know what a team might be desperately willing

988
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: to try to do to stay afloat in the dog

989
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: days of the summer, and that could change everything for

990
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: the Red So yeah, I think you got to think

991
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 4: about dealing with them.

992
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: But again, I think in the.

993
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 4: Right spot, whereas Studi gray, if it's the right opportunity.

994
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: It might make sense. I think what's really.

995
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: Just holding this team back at the end of the

996
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: day is the fact that they owe Mike mustak Is

997
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: sixteen million dollars, a Uenio Suarez eleven million dollars. In

998
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: show Go Akiyama eight million dollars. You have three guys

999
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 4: that are net negatives on your team accounting for more

1000
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: than almost half of the almost half of the payroll.

1001
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: That can't really happen.

1002
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: And if it weren't for Joey Vado, they account for

1003
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 4: the vast majority of the payroll.

1004
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: How can a mid market, small market team compete like that?

1005
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: Right?

1006
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: I think that's why they're just kind of saying, hey,

1007
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 4: we're stuck here, because they kind of are stuck by

1008
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 4: their own reasoning. Obviously, they could probably spend if they

1009
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: wanted to and survive, but they're not comfortable going out

1010
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 4: of a certain zone there, and I kind of agree

1011
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 4: with you, they might not do anything. And so those

1012
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 4: guys are off the books. I mean, those contracts are brutal,

1013
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 4: and it's.

1014
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 5: Not a bad I mean, it is a bad spot,

1015
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong. But the glimmer of hope is, Okay,

1016
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, you clear up a lot of money

1017
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: and at that point, Nicolodolo hopefully has you know, two years,

1018
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 5: and he's starting to reach more prime than you know.

1019
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 5: The thing that I struggle with with fans is they

1020
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 5: think Hunter Green, Nickelodola, they're gonna come up this year,

1021
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 5: they are going to be what they're projected to be.

1022
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 5: In year one, and that's not that takes It takes

1023
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 5: a couple of years, right. Fans need to get that

1024
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 5: in their mind that a rookie will not reach his

1025
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 5: ceiling his rookie year and if he does, then that's

1026
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 5: not a good thing.

1027
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: Right. So in twenty twenty four, if you have Lodolo Green.

1028
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 5: Even if you still have Castillo Tyler Maalley, I mean,

1029
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 5: that's a legit. If things go well, a legit rotation

1030
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 5: and arm kind of broke down some arms that could

1031
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: factor into the bullpen and Barrero, you know, maybe he

1032
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: comes around. He struggled in the majors, but there's so

1033
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 5: many reasons why he has and he's had such a

1034
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 5: small opportunity too as well. Tyler Stevens and Jonathan India.

1035
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: You don't have to squint too hard to think, Okay,

1036
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

1037
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 5: The question now is the Reds have to make smart

1038
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 5: moves this offseason and by this deadline to set themselves

1039
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 5: up instead of the last rebuild where they waited so

1040
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 5: long in god, you know, absolutely nobody for their top

1041
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 5: trade pieces and that's what set them back, and that's

1042
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 5: why they are where they are right now. This is

1043
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 5: when they're supposed to be competing. The reason why there's

1044
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: holes is because you got Kleem Cotham in a return

1045
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 5: and that's just not going to help your ball club.

1046
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: So if there's lead at the end of the tunnel,

1047
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: because we did just kind of rebuild this entire team,

1048
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of tore down. We're trading

1049
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: away everybody. But if the Reds decided they wanted to

1050
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: buy it, if they decided that they wanted to hit

1051
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: left handed pitching, why don't you re sign the only

1052
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: dude on your team who was hitting left handed pitching

1053
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: in Nick Costianos. And you're shaking your head? Is it

1054
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: just like see you later. I know he's going to

1055
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: be a lot of money, But remember we're doing hypotheticals here.

1056
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: If we were to actually rebuild this Reds team, why

1057
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: are you hesitant to maybe build around Nick Costianos.

1058
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 5: I don't want to give him seven years and I

1059
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 5: don't want him to play outfield defense at all. That's

1060
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 5: why you're here, and I want and it's nothing against him.

1061
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 5: He was awesome for the city and I loved watching

1062
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 5: rate play. However, I just don't feel like that contract

1063
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 5: will age well.

1064
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: And you know everyone does this too.

1065
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 5: Everyone has short term memory, so everyone remembers how good

1066
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 5: he was this year. He was so bad in twenty

1067
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 5: twenty that people wanted him to opt out no matter

1068
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 5: what of his contract, and he opted back in and

1069
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 5: he raked, and everyone's like, sign him up for seven years.

1070
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 5: His home road splits. I mean, if he's playing in

1071
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 5: Great American won't matter. But when you're a small market

1072
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 5: team like the Reds and you sign a long term

1073
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 5: contract like that for that much money, it's gonna cripple you.

1074
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: Exactly what we're seeing with Joey Evado, right, thirty nine

1075
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 5: years old, make an over twenty million, and what does

1076
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 5: that do. It allows your younger players not to get

1077
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 5: paid or you have to move on from players, and

1078
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 5: those contracts are gonna bite you.

1079
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: But he earned his money this year, Joey Vada, he

1080
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: got a raked. Vado's still bad man.

1081
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 5: It was such a bad take I had, like for

1082
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 5: the past two years, I've been like warning everyone, like

1083
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 5: just be ready for Joey Votto. I don't want this

1084
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 5: to be Ryan Howard where the city turns on him

1085
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 5: because he sucks. When he's not even supposed to be good,

1086
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 5: and you know, he just comes out and he like

1087
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 5: plays well. But I'll double down and say it again, like,

1088
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 5: I don't think Joey Vada is going to be a

1089
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 5: plus player for the remainder of that contract. But those

1090
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 5: are the type of contracts that can cripple a small

1091
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 5: market team and lead into a rebuild. So giving Cassianis

1092
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: the money, I wouldn't a guy who was really interesting

1093
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 5: to me, and this is off the the left handed

1094
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 5: pitching thing, but was Michael Conforto. I thought he would

1095
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 5: be a good piece. You could almost give him the

1096
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 5: same deal that you gave Cassianos sixteen for four years

1097
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 5: per sixteen per year for four years with opt outs. Man,

1098
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 5: if he could get into Great American ballpark, I think

1099
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: he could really rake. I love I love him too,

1100
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: say agent.

1101
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've been talking on this podcast just hyping him

1102
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: up because we know, like the Mets in general just

1103
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: had such a weird year. I mean, across the board,

1104
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: they had hit or struggling, and it really seemed to

1105
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: me that it was more possibly a clubhouse thing, that

1106
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: there were issues going on that there's no way that

1107
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: all of them had struggles and that it wasn't that

1108
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: it was just some sort of coincidence. So I think

1109
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Confordo could use a change of

1110
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: scenery and you put him in Great American ballpark, he'll rake.

1111
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt that the swing is too good.

1112
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: He has the pedigree of a good hitter before. It's

1113
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: not like he's been struggling his whole career and is

1114
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: now looking to break out like he has been good

1115
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: for a while. But I'm talking about if we're helping

1116
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: the Reds win now, like I know, twenty twenty four

1117
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: and maybe there maybe there really isn't a chance to

1118
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: win now, but let's try. So is there anybody like agency?

1119
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: I like the Confordo conversation, like who else are we

1120
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: adding to the Reds to make them a real contenter?

1121
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: Because also you look at the NL central right, Well,

1122
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: here's the deal with the spot standing in your way?

1123
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean not a ton.

1124
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have a lot of injury prone platoon level

1125
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 5: players and players who do not play defense. So you

1126
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 5: have to fix all of that to compete this year. Okay,

1127
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 5: what do you do first? Well, you'd have to move

1128
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 5: the Moose contract. If we're playing win now, trade a

1129
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 5: good prospect attached to the Moose contract. Maybe you do

1130
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: the same, or swap that for Suarez. Free ups the money.

1131
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 5: Sign a legitimate backup catcher instead of Cap or whatever

1132
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 5: his name is from the Phillies.

1133
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: He's going to be the backup. What's that you got, Gary? Yeah? Exactly.

1134
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: We'll take the dolo.

1135
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, deal, And then you have to fix the

1136
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 5: out field. I mean, it is such a gaping hole.

1137
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 5: Aristat's a Keno is not a good baseball player. And

1138
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 5: I hate to say that, and everyone says, oh, well,

1139
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 5: he's hit thirty two home runs and two hundred at

1140
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 5: bats or whatever. I don't care, because they all came

1141
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 5: in one month and then he struck out every time

1142
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 5: since then. He's not an MLB caliber player.

1143
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: He has a lot of pop.

1144
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 5: Trade him to a team that still thinks he is

1145
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 5: and get a bullpen arm for all I care. Find

1146
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 5: a legitimate center fielder, makes Sinzel the super utility guy.

1147
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 5: The weak spot can be shortstop, I guess, and just

1148
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 5: hope Jose Berrero turns into what you think he is.

1149
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: And if not, a Kyle Farmer.

1150
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: Who's a utility level player who everyone loves because he

1151
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 5: had one good month last year. Play him at shortstop.

1152
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: He's good defensively.

1153
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: Wes a quick question about Cayl Farmer because I was

1154
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: talking about on the live and there were Reds fans

1155
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: because we were talking about the Reds and I was

1156
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: asking them. I'm like, why do they continue to put

1157
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: Kyle Farmer at short stop? Fans they both move him off,

1158
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: Like what what do they see? Because I'm maybe I'm

1159
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: missing something.

1160
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 5: Kyle Farmer is exactly this. He was a backup catcher

1161
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 5: when he was acquired in the Homer Bailey deal with

1162
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 5: Matt Kemp former Red Matt Camp. Everyone forgets legend and

1163
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 5: puigue right. Kyle Farmer's kind of the throw and he

1164
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: was a backup batcher super utilities, played left, first, third, short,

1165
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 5: second catcher, and he is a really good bench back.

1166
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 5: He was forced into the starting shortstop role this year.

1167
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 5: He had never really played shortstop except for in college.

1168
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 5: He was good on defense, his bat just is a

1169
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 5: backup bat However, he had one really incredible month and

1170
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 5: everyone decided shortstop of the future. Third year old Kyle Farmer,

1171
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 5: whose entire career has not been good, but one month

1172
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 5: determines his future. And I do think he's a good

1173
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 5: bench player, but I think he's exactly that. Now it's

1174
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 5: turned into Jose Barrero verse Kyle Farmer, and you're either

1175
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 5: a Barrero guy or you're a Farmer guy. Lord forbid.

1176
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 5: You like both, and your team excels of both, do well.

1177
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 5: But if if Jose Barrero's development is blocked by Kyle

1178
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 5: Farmer on a team that wins seventy five games.

1179
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: That's criminal. There's gonna be some issues. That's Chris, because

1180
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 1: I mean, we watched Jose Brero in the Futures Game

1181
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: and I remember looking over at you while he was

1182
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: taking ground balls, and I'm like, wait, is that Jose Barrero?

1183
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Like the prospect that we were looking at that we

1184
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of weren't sure about. But I'm like, his glove

1185
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: looked great in the field, and he was raking in

1186
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: batting practice and then put together together a couple of

1187
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: hard balls in that Futures Game. Do you like Jose

1188
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: burrow r a moving board? Yeah?

1189
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: I like, I think you know, there's there's some swing

1190
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: and miss, right, but yeah, let's see you. Yeah, if

1191
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 4: he clicks for him, like he could be an All

1192
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 4: Star like, let's see how it goes, Like let's.

1193
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: Let's he doesn't have anything else to show.

1194
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 4: In the miners, we like you said, we saw some

1195
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 4: flashes of what could be a real good player.

1196
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: Like let's let's go, let's see what he can do.

1197
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 4: If it doesn't work out, you've got the fallback plan

1198
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: on Kyle Farmer and Leborero get some more reps in

1199
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 4: Triple A. But I think that whether you're trying to

1200
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 4: win now or not, you got to roll Barrero out

1201
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 4: there and see what you got, and that that's something

1202
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: I like him and I want to see. I want

1203
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 4: to see what he can do. I'm all in on that.

1204
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: Another guy that I think can actually help this team

1205
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 4: next year is Graham Ashcraft. I think Ashcraft can go

1206
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 4: in into a reliever rule and be disgusting for them

1207
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: right away, or you give them a little bit of

1208
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 4: time and he could by the middle of the year

1209
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: swat into the back end of that rotation. And that's

1210
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: another guy that they have that could ultimately be a

1211
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 4: trade piece but also could be a rotation piece in

1212
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 4: the future, or worst case, a lights out closer that

1213
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: helps your bullpin a little bit. They've got some pieces.

1214
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 4: But it seems like the ultimate answer here, unfortunately, is

1215
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 4: going to be that they kind of sit in purgatory, right,

1216
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: make a couple of small moves, hope they catch lightning

1217
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 4: in a bottle. If they catch lightning in a bottle,

1218
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: then maybe they buy it the deadline a little bit.

1219
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 4: If not, then maybe they sell some pieces if the

1220
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: offer is right. I feel like it's going to be

1221
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 4: very kind of in the middle, and they're going to

1222
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 4: keep towing that line and so they get more of

1223
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: a direction themselves.

1224
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to kind of let the win

1225
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: loss calm dictated this year.

1226
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: Also, Clay, something we haven't really talked about at all.

1227
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about the starting rotation, we've talked

1228
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: about the offense. Do you care to add a bullpen piece?

1229
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: You guys had the fourth worst era in baseball as

1230
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: a bullpen. Losing Rossiel Iglesias definitely didn't help, and now

1231
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: he's locked up with the Angels. The bullpen almost seems

1232
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: like the biggest problem to me.

1233
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was avoiding the bullpen as much as possible,

1234
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 5: But here we are. Believe it or not, I know,

1235
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 5: you're fine, it's hard to believe Heath Hembury was not

1236
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 5: the answer for the Reds last surprising. I don't know how,

1237
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 5: but I actually tweeted about Heath Hembury and how dominant

1238
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 5: he was in his career against the Dodgers. It's like

1239
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 5: four games and the Reds were about to play the Dodgers,

1240
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 5: and the same day I tweeted it, he got cut.

1241
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, dude, here we go.

1242
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 5: But the Red's bullpen tj Antone has been disgusting. He's good, however,

1243
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 5: he's on his second Tommy John He's gonna miss like,

1244
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 5: I mean, he just can't stay healthy.

1245
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: He is such a.

1246
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 5: Dogary you look at his stats. I mean, he is

1247
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 5: out of this world good, unreal, but they're not gonna

1248
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 5: be with him. Former Yankee Luis Sessa was good last year.

1249
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: He's his solid.

1250
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's if he's your fit guy in

1251
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 5: the bullpen or whatever, like good fourth guy or whatever.

1252
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 5: Other than that, I mean, Amir Garrett was awful, but

1253
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 5: we've all seen how good he can be at times.

1254
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: That was one of my worst takes. I came in

1255
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: really thinking that he could be like a top ten closer,

1256
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: and how wrong was I there, dude.

1257
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 5: I have two reds jerseys right now. One's a mere

1258
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 5: Garrett and one show go Akayama.

1259
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: Oh no both.

1260
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 5: Just if anyone wants a show go achaeomow jersey d

1261
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 5: n me, I'll send it to you for free. Other

1262
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 5: than that, I mean that there's just some some guys,

1263
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 5: just a bunch of jags that are just I mean,

1264
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,479
Speaker 5: Lucas Sims is super good, right, but that's one guy

1265
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 5: to Tony Santion was actually a prospect who I liked

1266
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 5: a lot a few years back as a starter, and

1267
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 5: he has some some really good good stuff and he

1268
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 5: came in as a reliever at times and pitched well.

1269
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 5: Maybe he adopts that role full full time moving forward

1270
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 5: and that can help. Other than that, you know Justin Wilson.

1271
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 5: Ard Warren is actually a guy who a lot of

1272
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 5: people like. And if you don't know who, Ard Warren.

1273
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 6: Is good year and he was kind of like a

1274
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 6: written off prospect, kind of like a pick up on

1275
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 6: Waivers type, and he looked incredible at times.

1276
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 5: He was also, of course injured for a chunk of time.

1277
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 5: But then you have like Ryan Hendricks and some guys

1278
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 5: are gonna get some innings but there is one guy

1279
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 5: who I like a lot arham who's just added to

1280
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 5: the forty man, Alexis Diaz. Have you come across him.

1281
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: If you haven't, you need a watch to pitch.

1282
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 5: He has a lot of crazy movement and I saw

1283
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 5: him strike out Brendan Davis and just made him look

1284
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 5: like a fool, and that gave me pitch two innings,

1285
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 5: six strikeouts. I mean, the guy was just added to

1286
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 5: the forty man, and if he gets a shot, I

1287
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 5: mean he's one of those types. Just like the movement

1288
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 5: on his pitches, he's gonna be like and I always

1289
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 5: do this for whatever reason, I always pick like next

1290
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 5: year's fan favorite, and like he is that if he

1291
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 5: pitches and gets an opportunity, like people are just gonna

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Speaker 5: fall in love with that guy.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing with bullpen arms is I always feel

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Speaker 4: like when you're looking at bullpen arms, it's kind of

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Speaker 4: easy to address in a lot of ways. You're gonna

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Speaker 4: have some guy that emerges out of the minor leagues

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Speaker 4: for you. You can have some reclamation projects like a

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Nelson bring him back there and having him when

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Speaker 4: he healthy is nasty, like you could just throw a bunch

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Speaker 4: of irons in the fire of guys who have some stuff,

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Speaker 4: and a few of them are going to put it together.

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of what I like about addressing the

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Speaker 4: bullpen in a cheap way for the most part, is

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Speaker 4: I think you can do that. You could even go

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Speaker 4: get a Steve Ceeschek who gets a ton of ground

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Speaker 4: balls and slot him. And and that's why I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: the bullpen you can solve. I think you can solve

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Speaker 4: that affordably, especially when you have guys in the system.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys like Bryce Bonen and some

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Speaker 4: of the other guys in the minor leagues for the

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Speaker 4: Reds who have two nasty pitches can salt into the

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Speaker 4: bullpen and you can try it. And that's why I

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Speaker 4: think in today's game you can kind of put your

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Speaker 4: bullpen together. How many times does a guy just a

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Speaker 4: failed starter or whoever, just emerge having two pitches throwing

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Speaker 4: gas and we're like, oh my gosh, that guy's nasty.

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Speaker 3: Like you can find those dudes.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I'm not I never get too worried

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Speaker 4: about a team's bullpen until they go into the season

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Speaker 4: once you go into the season. I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 4: you really went into the season with that. With that,

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Speaker 4: you know, you got to balance it out with a

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Speaker 4: couple vets. And I think that they need to sign

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Speaker 4: maybe one or two guys, but I think that they

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Speaker 4: could solve a lot of the other issues internally. And

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Speaker 4: that's why I think they might even start Ashcraft in

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Speaker 4: a bullpen. And he's got that class a kind of

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Speaker 4: stuff with that tumbling cutterish fastball and then a slider,

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Speaker 4: and it looks like a gyro ball, Like it's.

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Speaker 3: Really cool, So I think you can address it internally.

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Speaker 4: I'm just losing sleep over the left handed hitter thing

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Speaker 4: and the left on left issue.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know how they solve that.

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Speaker 5: It's not even bad luck, it's bad hitters against lefties.

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Speaker 5: And that's how you don't roll into the season saying like, oh,

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Speaker 5: we got unlucky, Like Joey Vado has not been able

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Speaker 5: to hit lefties, Jesse Winker can't even pick up a

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Speaker 5: ball if it's thrown from my left instead of a

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Speaker 5: right hand. Like, these are issues that are not going

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Speaker 5: to go away, and the way that you address it

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Speaker 5: is either platooning or just overall upgrading from the players

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Speaker 5: who can't hit left handed pitching. And that's why Tyler Stevenson,

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Speaker 5: in my opinion last year, should have started every game

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Speaker 5: against the lefty at first base and against rioties behind

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Speaker 5: the plate. But then you got, okay, well, you know,

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Speaker 5: Tucker Barnhart at the time was left handed too, so

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Speaker 5: like he, you know, Tyler Semenson can't play both positions

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Speaker 5: against left handed Just.

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Speaker 1: Put Jonathan Indians all of the outfield spots and all

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Speaker 1: of the infield spots. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, so is Jesse or excuse me, is Joey

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01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 5: Vado going to play better if you platoon him and

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Speaker 5: he's arrested more than playing every day? Right? Yes, Now,

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Speaker 5: the idea of it, or the kind of rumor of

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Speaker 5: it is Joey Vodo has no interest in being platooned,

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Speaker 5: which that's great. He doesn't make the lineup, but you know,

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Speaker 5: one day off a week against the left even though.

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Speaker 1: That hard was, he gonna be like pissed. Yeah, I

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01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: guess he's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna do a request to train dealing with.

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Speaker 1: So to wrap up, I do want to ask you guys,

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Speaker 1: because we've gone through a lot of scenarios, and this

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Speaker 1: is the team that I would say is like the

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Speaker 1: one team that I think you could say is so

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01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: right down the middle. So in just a couple of words,

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Speaker 1: I give you the keys to the front office, Clay,

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01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: I give you the keys to the front office. Arm

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01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: Are you rebuilding or are you are you tearing I'll

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01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: give you a couple options. Are you tearing it down?

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Speaker 1: Are you just rebuilding? Are you retooling? Or are you

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Speaker 1: going for it?

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm I'm realigning the payroll.

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Speaker 1: Because the world.

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Speaker 4: Now, I get why you said that, because I don't

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 4: want to answer this one at all.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you what what I'm doing.

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: I think I am doing a rebuild in the sense

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Speaker 1: where I would trade away Sonny Gray, I would trade

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 1: away a couple more of these guys. But I think

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01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: you're right, Clay. I don't think you got to trade

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01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: away Castillo. I don't think necessarily you have to trade

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01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: away Winker and you just kind of go from there.

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01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: You hope that Hunter Green Lodolo, I mean, your you're

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01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: kinda you're wincing so hard. I know it's hard, and

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01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to piece it together. It's it's such a

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 1: hard team to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hear Klay's plan.

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Speaker 5: So, first off, I have the direct quote from general

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Speaker 5: manager Nick Crawl on the on the off season of

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Speaker 5: the Reds, but going into twenty twenty two, we must

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Speaker 5: align our payroll to our resources and continue focusing on

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Speaker 5: scouting and development with young talent in our system.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what would I do? So?

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Speaker 5: I think this team was kind of similar to a

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Speaker 5: situation that the Twins were in. Some older players with

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Speaker 5: some some contracts.

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Speaker 1: Do they rebuild?

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 5: Do they add the Twins? However, locked up bust In

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01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 5: and added Bundy and you know, added some moves on

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 5: the peripheral that could make them better. However, what would

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Speaker 5: I do as the Reds. I would not tear down.

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 5: I would establish the core, including India and Stevenson, and

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 5: you know, one of the pictures will work, if not

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01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 5: both of the prospects. Yeah, I would simply I would

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 5: free up money on pieces that are not going to

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01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 5: be here in three years, and I would work on

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01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 5: signing the pieces that will. So I guess you would

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 5: call that a retool which never really works. Retooling does

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 5: not often work, especially in a non salary cap I

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 5: don't know what the Cubs are doing league, and a

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 5: salary cab cap league works more, but not in baseball.

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: So retooling, I would go that.

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01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 5: Route and just be ready for twenty twenty four now,

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 5: or the Cardinals better than there were last year, or

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01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 5: the Brewers better than they were last year. The other

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 5: thing that everyone's not thinking about is the Pirates are

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01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 5: going to be so much better and by then in

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 5: the Pirates have a stack system. Like people are forgetting

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 5: that the Pirates are, you know, we we all like

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01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 5: to make fun of them, but like they could very

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 5: well be competing with the Reds and during the Reds

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01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 5: quote unquote in the yeah, in the in the Cubs.

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 5: So retool, retool, trade Sunny Gray the day the lockout ends,

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01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 5: or you know, within a month, and get a return

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 5: that can help you, because right now there's too many

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 5: holes to fill.

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: All I ask from the Reds is that they perform

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01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: better against the spread. They were the fourth worst team

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: this year against the spread, and that's a gambling term

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01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: seventy two and eighty nine. So at least their overall

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: record was better than against the spread. But if i'm if,

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Reds. Bet if I'm going to

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: turn on the game, I they got to be better

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: against the spread.

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 5: Here's a little bit of advice for you, Pete, and

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 5: this isn't gambling advice, not but if you want to

1438
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 5: bet with the Reds or on the red simply bet

1439
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 5: over under strikeouts for Suarez, bet the over in games

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01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 5: played for Cinzo, and bet the under.

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,879
Speaker 1: Well, not exactly. We only give you straight up locks

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: on this podcast.

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01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 5: That's not gamling advice. Is gambling guidance.

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01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: That that's like so accurate it might almost be gamling advice.

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01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: It's never gambling advice, but that's so accurate that it might.

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Speaker 5: So.

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01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: Thank you Clay, And that's Clay Underscore Reds on Twitter.

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: You got to go check it out. Also go check

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Speaker 1: out his article roster questions the Cincinnati Reds need to

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: answer post lockout. Also go check out arms top prospects

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01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: for the Reds. Clay got anything to plug before we

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Speaker 1: head out? That's it. Thanks for having me on, guys,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. And and also before I thank everybody, definitely

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Speaker 1: at Peter Apple twenty three on Twitter. That's arm late

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Speaker 1: and eight on Twitter. Army got anything before we head out?

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Speaker 4: No, I was just gonna say, I like Klay's playing.

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 4: I'm kind of along the same lines there. Get that

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01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 4: young core together and get a young, kind of close

1467
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 4: to big league ready or controllable group there, and get

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01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 4: Reds fans excited about something in the future.

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Speaker 3: But I hope they enjoyed this episode.

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01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 4: I know they're usually feeling like they're little overlooks, but

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Speaker 4: not here.

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Speaker 3: Just baseball. We made it Red's week pretty much here.

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: We do love the Reds, and no matter what, you know,

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: we feel free and we're gonna keep covering you, no

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: matter what the reads do, because they are such an

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: interesting team to cover. But thank you everybody,