1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now just reminder, 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: we got Carrie Lake, who is running for a critical 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Senate seat in Arizona. She'll be with us bottom of 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: this hour. A lot to talk to her about, you know, 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Arizona border state Senate race, some other stuff in the 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: news that we'll get to with her. And then Riley 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: Gaines's third hour. Should women be the only ones playing 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: women's sports? The most obvious question in the world. Democrats 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: think it's really complicated. 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: It's not. 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Actually turns out it's not, but they get very angry 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: about it. We shall discuss, she said, The answer is 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: not complicated. The reality in our day to day lives 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: now is. 17 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: But we were. 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: Discussing the major showdown right now in Texas, and the 19 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Biden administration is finding out that yes, in fact, you 20 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: should not mess with Texas and what's going to go 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: on there with the illegal migrant flow, and Clay and 22 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: I are actually thinking about going down to the border together. 23 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: We've discussed this. I think that's going to happen. It's 24 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: just a question of the best timing for this. Because 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: you want to make sure that believe are out there 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: places in the border where the migrant flow moves very 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: much from place to place. So one week, you know, 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: it could be El Paso is just processing huge numbers, 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: and then within a you know, within a few weeks 30 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: or a few months, the flow moves and it's all 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: coming in over McCallan. I mean, there's a little bit 32 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: all across the border in the main areas, but you know, 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: the main crossing areas, but it can move. So I 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: want to make sure that we go where we can 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: see the most of what's going on and the stretch resources. 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: They won't let us see. By the way, Clay, there's 37 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: all these Oh we're so worried about privacy for the migrants. 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: They won't let us go to any of the processing centers. 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: They won't let us This is just Biden policy. They 40 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: keep it out of out of the view of the press. 41 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: They say it's because we don't want to violate the 42 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: privacy these migrants. People are walking into our country illegally 43 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: and then saying, give me a lot of free stuff. 44 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, we're supposed to be so worried if they 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: were to be on like video in the background. 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: It's all lies. You know. 47 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: They just don't want you to see what's really going 48 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 2: on in these places. But let's get into something else 49 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: for a second. Clay sent this in for the team, 50 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: and this is amazing. I think it's important, Clay, that 51 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: we all prepare ourselves mentally for what's going to be 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: happening in this election cycle. Yeah, there's gonna be a 53 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: lot of lying, but there are going to be tactics 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: of mind manipulation on display that even if you know 55 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: what they are, they can you can start to say, wait, 56 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: hold on a minute. Gaslighting is one of the good 57 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: examples of this. Gaslighting comes to us from a play 58 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: where a husband keeps on gaslighting his wife and the 59 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: play is called Gaslight, and that's where we get the term. 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris was expressing her concern about what could She 61 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: said this out loud everyone, about what could happen if 62 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: we lose this democracy because of a president who weaponizes 63 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: the d J play. 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: Seven November of twenty twenty four. 65 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 4: Binary. 66 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 3: And on the other side, you've got someone who has 67 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: said that if he were back in office, he would 68 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: weaponize the Department of Justice, someone who has openly applauded 69 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: insurrectionists as patriots, someone who has said that they will 70 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: go after their political enemies and applauds dictators, indicating that 71 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: he would be one. So let's be really clear about 72 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: what's at stake. 73 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: What's at stake. She's worried that Trump may use the 74 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: DOJ to, I don't know, prosecute people that he doesn't 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: like politically. How can there be such a lack of 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: self awareness? This is the It's not just like the 77 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: Biden administration's doing this play. Their entire reelection effort is 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: effectively based on weapini the DOJ. 79 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 5: Everything that they tell you Trump will do, they've already done. 80 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: I just. 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 5: This is why they're needed to be And I hope 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court is going to finally be willing to 83 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 5: stand on principle and espouse a really expansive version of 84 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 5: presidential powers. And it's a challenging responsibility, honestly, because we've 85 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: talked about this on the program for a while. The 86 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 5: president shouldn't be able to commit a violent felony and 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 5: avoid punishment for it. So if the president picked up 88 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 5: a you know, a light stick, a candlestick and hit 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 5: somebody in the head, and killed them in the in 90 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 5: the White House. The president should be prosecuted for that 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 5: violent crime. President doesn't drive a car. President's not going 92 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 5: to be able to probably ever commit a felony while 93 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 5: driving a vehicle. Things like that are challenging. But deligenating 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 5: what is within the scope of presidential powers and what 95 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: canon cannot be considered criminal in nature is incredibly important 96 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 5: and it's a hard job buck right, because figuring out 97 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 5: not only what the law is for current situations, but 98 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: defining a scope and permutation of that power so that 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: you can't later be charged with crimes relating to presidential 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 5: powers is I think a very important aspect of what 101 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 5: we're learning from these Trump charges. 102 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: I think what's going to end up happening. 103 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: First of all, remember all the talk about March fourth, 104 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 5: and I don't think there's any way that the Jack 105 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 5: Smith case is going to be able to go to. 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: Trial until July. 107 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 5: But that's only because the Supreme Court is stepping in, 108 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 5: And I think the Supreme Court is going to try 109 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 5: to create a situation where the American public can render 110 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 5: a verdict, hey, do we want Trump to be president 111 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 5: or not? Instead of Joe Biden trying to put his 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 5: chief political adversary in prison for the rest of his life. 113 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 5: But everything that Kamalas said she's worried about Biden, about 114 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 5: Trump doing Joe Biden is already doing, is that then 115 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 5: very important? 116 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: Is that then going to be worse from the perspective 117 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: of how it will influence things? I mean, if the 118 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: trial happens in if the trial happens in July, I mean, 119 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: you've got to assume what probably six to eight weeks 120 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: or something it'll go. So we might have a verdict theoretically, 121 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: right if my I don't sit around scheduling trials for 122 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: a living, So I don't know necessarily, but we might 123 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: have a verdict in September or October, when it could 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: do again theoretically maximum damage to Trump, right, So pushing 125 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: it back, I mean to me, if we're sitting here, 126 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: when's the worst time that you could get a guilty 127 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: verdict in a name trial against Trump? September October of 128 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: this year. 129 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 5: Well, I think where it will become challenging is the 130 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 5: Department of Justice has a general policy that they try 131 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 5: not to bring cases directly implicating the election cycle. 132 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: So more of a guideline than a rule, though isn't 133 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: it kind of like you don't prosecute the chief political 134 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: rival who's the nominee of the other party, right, I mean, 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: just to be fair. 136 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 5: I get it, I get it. But that is, in 137 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 5: and of itself kind of a challenging dynamic. I think 138 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 5: that's why Merrick Garland is saying that he wants to 139 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 5: try to get a verdict so quickly. I think that's 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 5: why they've been trying to rush it to such a degree. Heck, 141 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 5: I'll even toss something out there, buck And I don't 142 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 5: know how it could happen. But remember we still got 143 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 5: the South Florida case. If I'm Trump's team, I would 144 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: rather get enmeshed in that South Florida case than the 145 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 5: DC case because the jury's going to be better for 146 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 5: the jury there. Yeah, jury's going to be better. It's 147 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 5: going to be slower moving because I lean Cannon, the 148 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: judge there, seems far more reasonable than Chutkin, the judge 149 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 5: that is in DC. 150 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: She's not an anti Trump zealot who will do anything 151 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: the Democrat Party wants. 152 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: Yes, And the reason I raised that as an issue is, 153 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 5: remember that case right now is scheduled for May. So 154 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 5: if you were able to slot it so that that 155 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 5: case were scheduled let's say for July, and that were 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: already put in place, then the Jack Smith case would 157 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: have to get in line behind that, and there's no 158 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 5: way they'd be able to get that case completed. 159 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Before the uh before the election itself. 160 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: And remember, I think there's a decent chance that a 161 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 5: lot of this is going to get blown up in 162 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 5: a negative way. Isn't Trump in court today with this 163 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 5: ridiculous Egen Carroll thing? 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: That's I think he wants the introduction of the Egen 165 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,479 Speaker 2: Carroll I remember this very well on CNN, and remember 166 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: what happens. 167 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, when she talked about some people think rapes a 168 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 5: wonderful thing or whatever crazy comments. 169 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: Was some people think this is the quote that she 170 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 2: said was some people think rape is sexy. That was 171 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: quote end quote, And you could see Anderson Cooper's face 172 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: just kind of like, oh my god, what just happened 173 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: on my show? Yes, Trump wants that introduced at the 174 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: trial to show that basically he thinks that she's like 175 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: an emotionally and psychologically unstable person. I think the judge 176 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: is not allowing it, but that is what he wanted 177 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: to be included in evidence, and so that's part of 178 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: the dispute that's going on today because right he lost 179 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 2: the civil case against her. But then am I right 180 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: in that this is now a she sued for defamation 181 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: based on what he said after the civil cases. 182 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 5: I think this is a I think this is a 183 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 5: new defamation suit. But I don't think I think it's 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 5: for something. I think she also has sued for what 185 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: he said in his CNN special after the verdict came out. 186 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 5: I think this one isn't before that. I think there's 187 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 5: like three different lasses paying all of her legal bills. 188 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 5: By the way, I think that there's someone probably paying 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 5: these legals bills. 190 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: Oh that certain? 191 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: I mean I think I think it's even been written about. 192 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 5: We can look that up. Who exactly was finding I 193 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 5: don't know, I'm just guessing. I was just thinking of this. 194 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm sure we're going to find it's some 195 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: Democrat mega donor who is abusing the legal system in 196 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 5: this way to just try to smear Trump. But I 197 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 5: think Clay that also, you know, when I had friends 198 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 5: who worked in college admissions a whole other thing. I 199 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 5: had a couple of friends who worked at some elite 200 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 5: schools and the emissions. And they used to always say 201 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 5: if the file is too thick, it's a no go 202 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 5: meaning if you have to if you have to just 203 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 5: throw so much right, like, there's only some things that 204 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 5: you need to see, And I think we're out of 205 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: the file is too thick moment against Donald Trump, where 206 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 5: really four indictments plus the civil case in New York, 207 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: plus the E. G. And Carroll thing, it's it starts 208 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 5: to turn into noise, and the and the maniacal nature 209 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 5: of this effort starts to become a parent just from 210 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 5: there doing like, you know, it's too much, right, There's 211 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 5: just too much they're throwing in them at once. So 212 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 5: I think that they're getting close to the line where 213 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 5: people would see this already. The Republicans obviously you see 214 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 5: it this way and have all along. But I think 215 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: some Independents are going to say this is like harassment basically. Well, 216 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 5: and I think this could play into Trump's favor, which 217 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 5: is what I was going to say. I think the 218 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 5: Alvin braggcase may end up going off first because it's 219 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 5: still scheduled. I think for March and the Alvin braggcase 220 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 5: in New York City, is a total mess. I mean, 221 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 5: it's basically a bookkeeping that they're trying to elevate to 222 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 5: a felony charge. And even the most died in the 223 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: wool anti Trump zelots out there looked at these charges 224 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: and said, yeah, this is a joke. So I think 225 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 5: Trump could benefit from the witch hunt starting with the 226 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 5: Alvin braggcase going first, because I think it sets the 227 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 5: precedent that what is going on is so intensely political 228 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 5: that people pay less attention. So remember, there are a 229 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 5: lot of people out there saying, oh, this case is 230 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 5: going to start in March. I don't think this case 231 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: with Jack Smith is going to be able to start 232 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 5: until after the Supreme Court rules fully with all of 233 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 5: its opinion. Assuming that they don't come out with those 234 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 5: opinions until June. 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That obviously has been 262 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 5: a story. Steve Bannon has been tied up in this 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 5: as well, prosecuted by Merrick Garland in their Department of 264 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 5: Justice for defying a congressional subpoena. Buck question for you, 265 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 5: isn't it awfully convenient that Hunter Biden suddenly agreed last 266 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 5: week to comply with his congressional subpoena? Do you think 267 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 5: he might have known that this sentence for Peter Navarro 268 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 5: being sent to prison was coming and he wanted to 269 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: get ahead of this story, and so he agreed to 270 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 5: show up for his subpoena suddenly after having a big 271 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: show like storming out of the hearing and showing up 272 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: at Congress and having his press conference. 273 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: It's highly coincidental timing. But beyond that, they're trying to 274 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: send a senior White House advisor to prison on a 275 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: process charge. I mean, can we just sort of you know, 276 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: they're actually doing this stuff? And I think that people 277 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: sometimes lose sight of this, even very pro Trump Maga people. 278 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: They sent Trump's geriatric accountant to prison for I think 279 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: a year eighteen months for really kind of Mickey Mouse 280 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: level tax crime. I mean really, by the way, Hunter Biden, 281 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: far more egregious stuff, not gonna spend a day in prison, right. 282 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: I think it was not registering the car or not 283 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: you know, putting down the company car as a taxable. 284 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 5: That was one of the things that that was considered 285 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 5: to be income and he didn't put it on his 286 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 5: tax return, and they. 287 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: Said it outrageous. 288 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: I mean, fine, you know, have someone pay a little 289 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: fine if you want on that or and even that's annoying, 290 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: but you're gonna lock You're gonna take away someone's freedom. 291 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: Some old guy they did that. Now they're going to 292 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: try to lock up you know. It's incrementalism where they 293 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: are taking people in Trump's orbit and they're not getting 294 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: big prison sentences, but they are putting them in cells. 295 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: They would have put. 296 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: Steve Bannon in a cell if they could have. They 297 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: would have put other people in Trump's orbit, and it's 298 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: they put Juliani. I mean, they do want to lock 299 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: these people up, Clay. That's my point here, Like I 300 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: think everybody's going to understand that the Democrat base has 301 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: been promised that they're going to get incarcerated Trump officials, 302 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: and some of them still think somehow they're going to 303 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: get an incarcerated Trump. I don't think that's gonna happen, 304 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: but they're. 305 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 5: The timing on. It's going to be a challenge, as 306 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 5: we were just laying out. But I just it's amazing 307 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 5: to me that after Hunter Biden defied subpoena, defied subpoena, 308 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 5: made a big show of it, suddenly he said, Okay, 309 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 5: I'll show up on February. I think it was like 310 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 5: February twenty eighth, that he's going to show up something 311 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 5: like that. And then the next week we find out 312 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: that Peter Navarro is getting four months in prison for it. 313 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 5: And remember all of these people made a huge deal 314 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 5: about Peter Navarro not showing up, Steve Bannon not showing 315 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 5: up on the left, as if this was the crime 316 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: of the century, and then Hunter Biden doesn't show up 317 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 5: and they all excuse it. And now he is going 318 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 5: to show up and do his own do his own time, 319 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 5: I guess, in front of this group to do his deposition, 320 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 5: and late February Buck it just continues to reflect that 321 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 5: the Hunter Biden story is not going away for Joe Biden, 322 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 5: and it's continuing to emerge and remain an issue. And 323 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 5: I think it just goes to the overall brand of 324 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 5: Joe Biden and whether or not he's considered to be trustworthy. 325 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: So all of this going to be super fascinating to 326 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 5: follow when we come back. By the way, we are 327 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 5: joined scheduled to be joined by Carrie Lake. She's running 328 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 5: for the Senate in Arizona. There is a viral tape 329 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 5: that has been circulating that purportedly shows Carrie Lake being 330 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 5: offered money not to run for the Senate. 331 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: What is the auspices of that tape? Is it accurate? 332 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 5: We'll ask Carrie Lake about that, also about her Senate campaign. 333 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 5: What does she think about the Trump twenty twenty four 334 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 5: candidacy So far, a lot of different things for us 335 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 5: to dive into with Carrie Lake. 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MyPillow dot Com. 361 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: We've got Carrie Lake as promised with us now. She 362 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: is running for a critical Senate seat in Arizona. Could 363 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: be the difference between Senate control or not. For it 364 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: will hopefully be a second term for President Trump. Carry 365 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: great to have you back on the program. Thanks for 366 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: making the time. 367 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 4: Well, thank you for having me guys. 368 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: So you know, we've got a few things to talk 369 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: to you about it. I did want to get you 370 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: though a way in first, if I could carry on 371 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: you know both what Governor Abbott is doing at the border, 372 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: because the whole nation I think is focusing in on 373 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: this today. It's really a critical issue. And you want 374 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: to be a senator, and we certainly hope you're successful 375 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: in this endeavor. You want, you want to be a 376 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: senator from a border state. I have a feeling your 377 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 2: home state governor not exactly stepping up for the constitution 378 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: like Abbot is. So if you could speak to both of. 379 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 4: Those, well, you know this is why when I ran 380 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: for governor, I have the strongest border policy this country 381 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 4: ever seen, and it was the states taking back their 382 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 4: sovereignty and taking control of the border. I called it 383 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 4: an invasion before anybody else did, and it is truly 384 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 4: an invasion. I think now everyone's come to the realization. 385 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: And I suggested months ago Governor Abbott since he had 386 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 4: control of a fave and he is a Republican to 387 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: issue a declaration of invasion and immediately take control of 388 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: the border. And I'm glad that he's doing it now. 389 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: I wish he would have done it sooner, but better 390 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: late than never. Each border state, each governor, has the ability, 391 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 4: and Franklin the duty, the duty to the citizens of 392 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: their state and of this country to secure the border 393 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: on their own. We can't rely on the federal government. 394 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 4: Joe Biden caused this, and he's weaponizing the federal government 395 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 4: to keep the problem alive, and so I'm really concerned 396 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: that it's going to get worse. I hope the Senate 397 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 4: gets together and comes up with a border plan, not 398 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 4: to give all these people amNY not for the taxpayers 399 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: to pay for their lawyers and give them job permits 400 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 4: and allow them to stay here forever. I hope instead 401 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: they do a very simple piece of legislation which funds 402 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: the border wall, and they get that thing up asap, 403 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 4: and they also allow these states to put their National 404 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 4: Guard on the border protective citizens. 405 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: Kerrie, appreciate you being on with us. I want to play. 406 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 5: You've been in the center of a lot of controversy, 407 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 5: which thank you, by the way, and you know that 408 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 5: Buck and myself both really wish that you were governor 409 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 5: right now because we know you would be standing behind 410 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 5: Greg Abbott for border security unlike Katie Hobbs. But there's 411 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: a lot of people who don't want you involved in politics. 412 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 5: And this clip I want to play for you fifty 413 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 5: two seconds. You can tell people where or if you 414 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 5: think they should go listen to a longer version, but 415 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 5: this is fifty two seconds. I want to play it 416 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 5: for our audience, and let me give a little bit 417 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 5: of prelude beforehand. This is a clip where someone is 418 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 5: offering to pay you not to run for the Senate 419 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 5: from Arizona. Here is cut twenty three. If we could 420 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 5: play it, and then I'm going to ask you to 421 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 5: react to it right after carry here it is. 422 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: There are very powerful people don't want to keep you out, No, 423 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: they do, but they're willing to put his money with 424 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: their mouths in a big way. 425 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 4: So what do they want me to do? 426 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: You want to say, opportues, Is there a number which 427 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: I can be bought? 428 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 4: That's what it's about. 429 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: You can take a box for a couple of years. 430 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 4: No, they go right back to what you do. No, 431 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 4: ten million, twenty million, thirty no, no, no, A billion no. 432 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with people like this. These 433 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: people are un American, and I think they're unethical, and 434 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: I would be absolutely immoral if I did that. 435 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 2: You know what it is. 436 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 4: The people don't get to choose their elected officials unless 437 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 4: they're pre approved by this swamp, and the swamp doesn't 438 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: preapprove of me. I think you should go public with 439 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: this and then say, hey, no, no, no, no, no, I 440 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 4: turned my key in my car and I okay. 441 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 5: That is blockbuster, Carrie. That is And I'm curious so 442 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 5: many questions that I have coming out of that. But 443 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 5: first of all, do you know who wanted to pay 444 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 5: you not to run for Senate from Arizona? Did you 445 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 5: record that yourself? What can you tell our audience that 446 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 5: just heard that clip of someone offering conveying an offer. 447 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 5: It sounds like to you to be paid not to 448 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 5: run for Senate from Arizona. 449 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 4: Well, there's a longer version that's between ten and eleven minutes, 450 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: the full version that is out, and I really recommend 451 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 4: people go and listen to that. It's shocking. I was 452 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: literally dumbfounded when that happened. I thought I was in 453 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 4: an episode of House of Cards, and that is the 454 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 4: now former chair of the AZGOPS, Jeff DeWitt, who was 455 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: chairman of the Arizona Republican Party. He resigned yesterday thankfully. 456 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 4: This kind of unethical behavior that we have to root 457 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: out of all all of politics and government. We have 458 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 4: to get this out. I don't care if the corruptions 459 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 4: Democrat corruption, Republican corruption. We the people demand the change. 460 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: We're with sand right now. So this was a conversation. Yes, 461 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 4: I did record that Jeff had called me. This was 462 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 4: eleven months ago, by the way, and you know, you 463 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: guys might just be learning about it. But shortly after 464 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 4: this conversation happened, I got on a plane and headed 465 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: to Seapack in Washington, DC, where I was going to 466 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: be delivering a keynote speech. And it was just gnawing 467 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 4: at me that that happened, and the whole plane right there. 468 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 4: I just thought I had to tell somebody about this. 469 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 4: So I changed my speech, and during my speech, I 470 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: laid out exactly what happened. And I've been talking about 471 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 4: this for eleven months now. The mainstream media has never 472 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 4: asked me once about it. I laid that whole thing 473 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 4: out for eleven months. I talk about it in speeches 474 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: when I go to small groups, big groups, and no 475 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 4: mainstream media reporter ever called and said, tell me more 476 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: about that. Who is behind it, what's going on? And 477 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 4: so this was it was released this week. I recorded 478 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 4: it because Jeff had called me about you know, a 479 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 4: few minutes earlier, and said, I, what are you doing. 480 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 4: I'm in your neighborhood. I've just outside your neighborhood. I'm 481 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 4: on my way over and I have to talk to 482 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 4: you about something, and it's something I can't talk it's 483 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: about I knew it was about me running for senate 484 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: because we'd had a little bit of a price. I'm 485 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 4: not going to be talked out of running for senate. 486 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 4: If I decide to do it, I'm going to do it. 487 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: And he said, well, I have to talk to you 488 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 4: about something very important. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but I 489 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 4: can't do it on the phone. What I have to 490 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: tell you I have to tell you in person. And 491 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, but you ever just 492 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: get a funny feeling named is stomach and your gut? 493 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: You go, this doesn't sound right, And I was. 494 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: Cia Kerry that used to happen sometimes, for sure. Yes, 495 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: so Carrie, so let me ask you this, then, do 496 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: you know what did it? 497 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: Because I thought there could maybe there was going to 498 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 4: be a threat involved against my safety and I and 499 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 4: I recorded it and then I never listened to it 500 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: again until this week and something another little like you know, feeling, 501 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 4: said you should listen to that again, and so I 502 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 4: pulled that out. I found it, I tracked it down, 503 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 4: and I was sitting at the dinner table with my 504 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 4: husband and daughter who's twenty, and hit play while we 505 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: were eating dinner, and all of our jaws dropped to 506 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 4: the floor. We couldn't believe it was so much worse 507 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 4: than I even remembered it. And my daughter, who's twenty, 508 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 4: who is so worried about her future and it was 509 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: the shubuild to lived the American dream, said, Mom, tell 510 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: me this guy's no longer involved in politics. I said, well, 511 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: he actually is. He runs theeras on Republican Party. And 512 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: she said, you have to do something about this, Mom, 513 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: You can't just sit on that. And I really didn't 514 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 4: think I was going to do anything, but my daughter 515 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: and this generation and their future depends on us rooting 516 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: people like this out. 517 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Do you know who conveyed that offer to Jeff de Witt? 518 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 4: I don't know for certain. I thought about it. I 519 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 4: pondered it. I've laid awake at night wondering. You know, 520 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 4: I'd come up with things people, I think it might be. 521 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 4: This bad thing, guys, is that you could think for 522 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: twenty four hours and probably work up a list of 523 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 4: four hundred people and entities that it could be. Well, Kara, 524 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 4: why that's how corrupt it is? 525 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: Why would they not want you to run? 526 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: You know? 527 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 2: Like I mean, not just it's one thing people can 528 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 2: choose who they want a primary. We get that fine, 529 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: the notion that you would need to be and you 530 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: know you obviously didn't take this the major an offer 531 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: you can't refuse except you refused it, But that they 532 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: would want to do this to prevent you from running, Like, 533 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: why do you think that is? 534 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 4: Well, this was eleven months ago, and I'm going to 535 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 4: lay it out. Jeff de Witt is a defensive supporter, 536 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 4: and they don't They didn't want a Maga candidate in 537 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 4: my opinion, on the ballot. They knew that it would 538 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: bring out I bring out Magan, I bring out a 539 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 4: lot of independence. I'm actually very popular with independence, the 540 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 4: most popular Republican in Arizona with Independence. You have to 541 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 4: remember I was in their homes for almost thirty years 542 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 4: as the main news voice in Arizona. And I think 543 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 4: they want to hurt I think that they wanted to 544 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 4: hurt Trump. I think they wanted to put an end 545 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 4: to Trump. And I was giving a lot of pressure 546 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 4: to back away and distance myself from President Trump, which 547 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: I won't do. He's an incredible president, a great candidate, 548 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 4: and he's the man for this moment that we are 549 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 4: in in history. And so I think they don't want me. 550 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 4: I don't think they want Magda. I don't think they 551 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 4: want America first, honest people that can't be bribed and 552 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 4: can't be blackmailed going to Washington, d C. Because what 553 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 4: happens is you get there and immediately they try to 554 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 4: bribe you, blackmail you, pay you off, and get control 555 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: over you. So that we always wonder why do these 556 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: guys vote the way they do. We elect them, they 557 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 4: tell us they're going to do something, and then they 558 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 4: go there and immediately just stab the American people in 559 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: the back. And they're worried about me because as if 560 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 4: you listen to the whole tape, Jeff says, Washington d 561 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: C is a big backscratching club, and you don't scratch 562 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: their back. And you've already made it very apparent you 563 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: won't scratch their back and I won't. And I'm not 564 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: joining the backscratching club. I'm joining the butt kicking club, 565 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: and we're gonna we're going to knock some sense into 566 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 4: these people before. 567 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 5: Well, Carrie, we certainly want you to be the next 568 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 5: senator from Arizona. So I'm Guessingkarrielake dot com is where 569 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 5: people who are listening to this right now can go donate. 570 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: But you mentioned something. I just want to circle back 571 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: to it. 572 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 5: When I hear that, Carrie, you said it, it feels 573 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 5: like you're in a House of Cards movie that you know, 574 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 5: the television show where people are pulling threads? 575 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: Does it a huge part of you? 576 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 5: You said there might be four hundred people, but shouldn't 577 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 5: we know who's trying to bribe someone not to run 578 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 5: for office? Like where that money is coming from? 579 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: That? 580 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 5: Because Jeff de Witt theoretically is conveying an offer, right, 581 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 5: he would know. I think as a as a citizen, 582 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 5: certainly if I lived in Arizona, i'd want to know. 583 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 5: But as a citizen of the United States, I want 584 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 5: to know who's trying to bribe people not to run 585 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 5: because they don't like what they might say. That seems 586 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 5: very important to know. 587 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 4: I agree, and I think he should say who These 588 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 4: very powerful people back east are very powerful. Very powerful 589 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: people back east should not be dictating who runs for 590 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: office in Arizona or Missouri or Texas. The people of 591 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 4: Arizona don't want powerful people back east dictating who they 592 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: approved to run for office. And the sad thing is 593 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 4: DeWitt was very well aware there have been four or 594 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: five polls that have come out at this point when 595 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 4: he came to my house, that nobody could beat me 596 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: in the US Senate race. I was pulled against everybody, 597 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 4: and I beat him all by a mile, including in 598 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 4: the polling for the general election. So that's what makes 599 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 4: me believe that they didn't want me on because they 600 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 4: knew I could win, and they don't want a mama 601 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 4: bear who's set up and who's going to fight for 602 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 4: her state Washington, d C. 603 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: Do you think it could be Mitch McConnell. 604 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, no, I don't. I really 605 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 4: don't want to figure and guests and throw names out. 606 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: I don't think that's responsible. I don't know who it 607 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 4: could be. The problem is, as I said, it could 608 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 4: be so many people, which shows you how dirty politics 609 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: and DC is. And I think that's why they hate Trump. Washington. 610 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 4: DC hates Trump and they hate me. And actually we 611 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 4: need to be sending people to DC that DC doesn't want. 612 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 3: Kerry. 613 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: I just need to know something. 614 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: Are you going to win by enough that they can't 615 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: can't derail it with the shutting down voting and printers 616 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: going awry. 617 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 4: Well, I believe we are. 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That's preborn dot com. 666 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: Slash b uck sponsored by preborn. 667 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 5: I would classify that as a blockbuster interview with Carrie Lake, 668 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 5: and we many have to even clip some of that 669 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 5: for those of you who only heard part of it 670 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 5: so you can see it. Hear it up at Clayanbuck 671 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 5: dot com. Riley Gaines is going to join us at 672 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 5: the top of the next hour. I believe she's already 673 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 5: in our New York City studios. Then we will take 674 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 5: your calls reacting to what Carrie Lake told all of 675 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 5: us in the third hour of the program eight hundred 676 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 5: two eight two two eight A two Buck. I just 677 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 5: got to be honest. I mean the fact that somebody would, 678 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 5: according to the recording that Carrie Lake played, get the 679 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 5: head of the Arizona Republican Party to convey an offer 680 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 5: to carry Lake that she could be bought off from running. 681 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 5: It does sound like something out of House of Cards, 682 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 5: that somebody would be the puppet master pulling the strings 683 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 5: to try to keep her from being the front facing 684 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 5: candidate in Arizona. 685 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: Think about this, I mean, someone's willing to direct resources. 686 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: You're not gonna convince carry Lake. First of all, you're 687 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: not gonna convince her to not run, apparently for any reason. 688 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 2: But You're gonna have to to be a serious effort here. 689 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 2: Talking to she said ten million dollars? Who cares that 690 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 2: much about her not running that they would want to 691 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: divert her from this? Do you know what I'm saying? 692 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: It seemed very strange to me, like why not let 693 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: it play out in the primary and may the best 694 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: man or woman win? Who who was so interested in this? 695 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: It does raise some questions. 696 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 5: I think it's super I think, I mean, some of 697 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 5: you may disagree. It makes me deeply wonder who the 698 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 5: person is that's pulling the strings, that has that kind 699 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 5: of money, in that kind of resources to try to 700 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 5: keep her running. Both why do they not want her 701 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 5: to run? And she has theories on that, but also 702 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 5: who do they want to run instead? 703 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: That becomes its own story. 704 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 5: And obviously twenty twenty four, Arizona is one of about 705 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 5: five states that's going to decide who the president of 706 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 5: the United States is. But where is that direction coming from, 707 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 5: Where is the money coming from? What would they be 708 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 5: paying her to do instead? A lot of different moving 709 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 5: parts there that arise questions that continue to emerge based 710 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 5: on that conversation. If I ran my card listening to 711 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 5: that I'd be like, you kidding. Mean, when I listened 712 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 5: to the audio, I was like it was crazy. But 713 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 5: credit to Kerry Lake, she wanted to come on this show, 714 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 5: and she wanted to share that story, and she wanted 715 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 5: to play that audio and let you all hear it 716 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 5: and know what was going on behind the scenes. We 717 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 5: come back again. We'll be joined by Ridley Gaines. She's 718 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 5: got a crazy idea women's sports should be played by women. 719 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 5: We'll talk about it now.