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Speaker 2: Right now, it's two pros and a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a bucket fits takeover on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: They are not replaceable. You're wrong on that.

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Speaker 3: Texas fans are still going to be there, Michigan fans,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are that because their passion is not gonna

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Speaker 3: That's what everybody else is hanging to everybody else is

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Speaker 2: Let's just let them go. They go where they go,

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Speaker 3: If the rest of the schools want to play in

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, how many people

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Speaker 4: college athletics are going to continue to change into. But

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Speaker 4: I just I nothing, nothing bothers me more. I think

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Speaker 4: it's the thing that you. I think it's the thing

442
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Speaker 4: that's pissed me off the most that you've ever said

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Speaker 4: into a microphone, the idea that these people are just

444
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Speaker 4: outright replaceable and in your words.

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Speaker 3: Slop now they are. I mean, how many people are

446
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Speaker 3: gonna lose? You're right, they're gonna be kids that are impacted. Well,

447
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Speaker 3: what if I like the slop football like I mean,

448
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Speaker 3: I like you get to watch it, you can still

449
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Speaker 3: watch it like Liberty can continue.

450
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Speaker 4: To have on Apple TV. You're gonna make it harder

451
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Speaker 4: on me to find these games instead of having maction

452
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Speaker 4: as a part of the ESPN thing on a Tuesday night.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if Miami of Ohio no longer has a Division

454
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Speaker 3: I football team and you gotta hunt hunt it down

455
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Speaker 3: on Thursday nights, oh well, if you want to hunt

456
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Speaker 3: it down, you can hunt it down.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they are gonna be kids that lose scholarships.

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Speaker 3: For every kid that loses a scholarship but loses an opportunity,

459
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Speaker 3: we got to ask ourselves, what about at some point,

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Speaker 3: what do we care about?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: If they if we end up with the Super Conference

464
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Speaker 3: that's sixty teams instead of having the current whatever one

465
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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty two teams, If we end up with

466
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Speaker 3: sixty teams in a superconference. Those kids on those sixty

467
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Speaker 3: teams have a much better shot of being properly you know,

468
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Speaker 3: properly paid for what they're doing. They have the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to have proper earning. And everybody's sitting here saying, well,

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Speaker 3: we're worried about the kids. That's just the most disingenuous

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Speaker 3: from ninety percent of the people. That is such a

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Speaker 3: BS argument. If somebody's sitting in Alabama's like, well, I'm

473
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Speaker 3: worried about I'm worried about the kids.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not.

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Speaker 3: You're worried about whether Alabama or Auburn is gonna win

476
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Speaker 3: a national title. That's all you care about. And the

477
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Speaker 3: Alabamas and the Auburns will eventually conform to all of

478
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Speaker 3: this and figure out how to thrive in all of this.

479
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Speaker 3: The people that are like, we just we pretend care

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Speaker 3: so much. As a society, I don't think the majority

481
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Speaker 3: of the world would even notice. If again, to go

482
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Speaker 3: to a local area for you, if MTSU Middle Tennessee

483
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Speaker 3: State University no longer had football, I don't think ninety

484
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Speaker 3: eight percent college football fans would even know what happened.

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Speaker 2: And so at some point, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's a doggy dog world. Like you're either you're

487
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Speaker 3: either playing amongst.

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Speaker 2: The elite or you're not.

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Speaker 3: And if you're not playing amongst the elite, like just

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Speaker 3: like nobody sits here and worries about whether Wisconsin Whitewater

491
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Speaker 3: kid gets a scholarship. The answer is that most of

492
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Speaker 3: them don't. Like they don't get Division three scholarships. Why

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Speaker 3: are we suddenly that's the line. We just don't want

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Speaker 3: the rest of Division one to be impacted? Or are

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Speaker 3: we gonna pretend that we really care about the rest

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Speaker 3: of the athletes that are impacted by this?

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't we care about whether or not our top

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Speaker 3: thirty or forty teams are all top thirty or forty teams.

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Speaker 4: Well, and you may be true, or you may be

501
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Speaker 4: right about the vast majority of people. You are right

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Speaker 4: about the vast majority of people. I will acknowledge that,

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Speaker 4: even though it bothers me. But like, as speaking for

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Speaker 4: somebody who I mean, I think I genuinely do care.

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Speaker 4: And maybe I'm not seeking out every MTSU game, or

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Speaker 4: every Western Kentucky game or every I mean, hell Indiana football.

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Speaker 4: My alma mater they were in the College Football Playoff

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Speaker 4: FITZI this year, I couldn't. I couldn't name three Indiana

509
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Speaker 4: football players and Curtis Rhurt got drafted this year. You

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, they have never mattered in

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Speaker 4: my life, in my entire life. We used to go

512
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Speaker 4: to those games. We used to tailgate those games. Rather

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Speaker 4: not go to those games and do exactly what you're

514
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Speaker 4: talking about, go home and watch the SEC or Notre

515
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Speaker 4: Dame play because that's where the real college football is.

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Speaker 4: But my biggest point of protest, and I'm sure I'm

517
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Speaker 4: in the minority of people who are actually pissed about this,

518
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Speaker 4: is that college football is not supposed to be for

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Speaker 4: the elite. It's not supposed to be just for the elite.

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Speaker 4: College football is supposed to be a more inclusive environment.

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Speaker 4: It gives us great stories about players who work their

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Speaker 4: way up through programs, especially now with the ability to

523
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Speaker 4: transfer and have success at a lower level and then

524
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Speaker 4: create your next phase of your career. Cam Ward going

525
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Speaker 4: from Incarnate Word to Washington's Date to Miami and all

526
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Speaker 4: the different difficulties that formed him into one of the

527
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Speaker 4: most unconventional number one overall picks I've ever seen. I

528
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Speaker 4: don't know how many of those stories we're willing to

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Speaker 4: just cast aside if we make the pool even smaller

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Speaker 4: and make college football more for the elites, Because the

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Speaker 4: thing that college football fans would all protest against, and

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Speaker 4: no matter what level of college football that you're talking about,

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Speaker 4: no matter what part of the country that you go

534
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Speaker 4: to where they are actually passionate about college football, is

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Speaker 4: they would push back on the idea of it being

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Speaker 4: considered for the elite in any stretch of the word.

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Speaker 4: Especially the SEC is elite. The SEC is the best

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Speaker 4: conference in college football. And if you attach elite to

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Speaker 4: the SEC, their fan base is gonna recoil just because

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Speaker 4: of how they naturally view that term and that word.

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Speaker 4: It's not supposed to be exclusive. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 4: more inclusive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but where's the line he's buck rising on Jason

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Speaker 3: fitz By the way, we're in for two pros and

545
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Speaker 3: a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 2: Where's where's the line?

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Speaker 3: Like, Because I hear what you saying, but do you

548
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Speaker 3: really believe like as much as a let's say, mid level,

549
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Speaker 3: mid level team in the SEC might might listen to this,

550
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Speaker 3: and and that fan base says, Oh my god, like Auburn,

551
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Speaker 3: Auburn's gonna look at it and say college football is

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Speaker 3: for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I called that. You just called them.

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Speaker 3: Well from the performance on the field, Auburn's Auburn's gonna

555
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Speaker 3: sit here and be like, you know, like this, this

556
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Speaker 3: makes no sense.

557
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Speaker 2: How many Auburn fans are.

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Speaker 3: Genuinely worried about whether the University of main football team

559
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Speaker 3: gets to thrive Like this is this is what we

560
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Speaker 3: do in society all the time. The number of times

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Speaker 3: it's like, well, you know, we got to go after

562
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Speaker 3: the rich, make sure that the rich pay their fair share.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool? Who defines what riches? Like that?

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Speaker 3: That's just a standard follow up question to me, Like

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Speaker 3: because certainly somebody that that is able to have a

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Speaker 3: house seems rich to somebody that's homeless, and somebody that's

567
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Speaker 3: able to have a go on a vacation seems rich

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Speaker 3: to somebody that can barely afford a house. Somebody like

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Speaker 3: me that grew up on government cheese in one box

570
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Speaker 3: of mac and cheese to split for the family. Today,

571
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Speaker 3: like everybody was rich compared to me growing up, So like,

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Speaker 3: what's rich? I would ask college football the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Where's the line in relevance? Because I do not believe

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Speaker 3: that you know that Texas is worried about North Texas.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: Again, I'll use New Mexico State as a good Utah state.

577
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Speaker 3: Like how many SEC fans are sitting here saying we've

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Speaker 3: got to do what's fair for college football because I

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Speaker 3: want to make sure that the fans of Utah State

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Speaker 3: are not left behind like that that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

582
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Speaker 3: Everybody claims they're worried about this part as a whole,

583
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Speaker 3: they're worried about their own team.

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Speaker 4: You are again, I don't disagree with the vast majority

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Speaker 4: of what you're arguing just because you're you're just because

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Speaker 4: that is the feeling that most people actually have, like

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Speaker 4: the genuine feeling that most people will actually have. My

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Speaker 4: point is it doesn't make it right. Like I get you,

589
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Speaker 4: you can be correct about these things and self interest

590
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Speaker 4: winning out over everything else, because that's basically what you're

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Speaker 4: advocating for here, and by the way, what is probably

592
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Speaker 4: going to bear itself out. But my whole contention is

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Speaker 4: that doesn't make it right. And I know that's not

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Speaker 4: going to be a popular argument, and I know I'm

595
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Speaker 4: gonna you know, I'm gonna fight this fight with as

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Speaker 4: I sink into the sea shaking a fist above, and

597
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Speaker 4: I'll lose every time, But damn it, I'm not gonna

598
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Speaker 4: go out quietly that way. And I don't think the

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Speaker 4: college football fans in every part of the country where

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Speaker 4: they love these things and they appreciate these things, and

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Speaker 4: they genuinely do want those opportunities for these players supported.

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Speaker 4: Because there are people out there fitsy. The vast majority

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Speaker 4: of the country and the vast majority of the consumers

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Speaker 4: are going to be self interested that way. But for

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Speaker 4: those people that are out here fighting a good fight,

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Speaker 4: I don't want them just cast aside and saying you

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Speaker 4: don't matter here anymore. It's wrong.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Okay, you're about that. Yeah, what I want.

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Speaker 3: What I want are those people that we're talking about

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Speaker 3: to stop yelling about the changes in the sport and

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Speaker 3: start instead putting that same energy into solving how they

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Speaker 3: can be competitive in the current landscape.

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Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

615
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Speaker 3: Are out for MESPN dot com. Again, Jeremy Fowler doesn't

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Speaker 3: do these himself. He just surveys the league and he

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Speaker 3: has put Patrick. The league executives, GM's front office, people

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Speaker 3: that they talk to coaches have come to the very

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Speaker 3: shocking opinion that I don't know one Patrick Mahomes is

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Speaker 3: the number one quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: And you, sir, have a disagreement with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not. He's not even close.

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Speaker 3: Didn't you just on off of working with me a

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Speaker 3: week ago you said Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my lifetime.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, on aggregate. But this ranking is for players in

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty five season based on most recent performance.

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Speaker 4: And Patrick Mahomes just recently represented the AFC in the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl and he got his ass kicked en route

632
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Speaker 4: to and had a stretch of I would argue about

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Speaker 4: eight games at the end of the regular season where

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Speaker 4: they started to look like the Chiefs that we know

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Speaker 4: that you can have confidence in, as opposed to the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs that you're questioning on a week by week basis,

637
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Speaker 4: and find ways to win like that ridiculous ending against

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Speaker 4: the Broncos last year or any of these other one

639
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Speaker 4: score games that they've survived, and that matters. That's a skill,

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Speaker 4: especially when you have that quarterback that can tip the

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Speaker 4: scales that way. But not based off last year's performance.

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Speaker 4: The best quarterback in football based off last year's performance

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Speaker 4: is Lamar Jackson. And this man is ranked below Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: who's won which is just kind of a career Achievement

645
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Speaker 4: award at this point. And that's where I really take

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Speaker 4: the most issue with Mahomes. Not based off last year,

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Speaker 4: not last year, Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes was the fourth

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Speaker 4: best out of the four for power quarterbacks in the AFC,

649
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Speaker 4: and ironically, the top four are all the AFC. So

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Speaker 4: when you look at the rankings, Mahomes is won, Alan

651
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Speaker 4: is two, Burrow is three, and Lamar Jackson, who should

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Speaker 4: have been the MVP last year, who lost the MVP

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Speaker 4: just because you want to talk about political. This Josh

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Speaker 4: Allen thing was political. Lamar Jackson being fourth year as

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Speaker 4: a crime. Lamar Jackson should be the number one quarterback

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Speaker 4: based off last year's results. Fitz, there was not a

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Speaker 4: more effective quarterback. There was not a more efficient quarterback.

658
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: According to the metrics. We don't have to get into

659
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: the advanced stuff here, but they were the number one

660
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: offense in DVOA last year. His passing EPA went up

661
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: year over year forty point seven and twenty twenty two

662
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: seventy six point three in twenty twenty three last year

663
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: one eighty seven point three. He is by a mile,

664
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: the most statistically effective quarterback no matter which metrics you're

665
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: looking at. His playoff success is the thing that we

666
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: count against him more than anything. And if you want

667
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: to make it a rings argument, I've got no problem,

668
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: no issue at all with Mahomes being at the top

669
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: of the list because he's the only one of those

670
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: four that's won a Super Bowl. The other guys can't

671
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: get past Mahomes, and the one guy that did, Joe Burrow,

672
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: fell short against Matt Stafford in the Rams. But if

673
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: you're gonna tell me, and that's what the background the

674
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: criteria for this ESPN Poll executive ranking is, they are

675
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: paying more respect to Mahomes based on his career accomplishments

676
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: than they are to how he actually played last year,

677
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: and how he actually played last year has more pedestrian

678
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: than he's ever been and heading into twenty twenty five,

679
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: he's not. I don't expect him to get better because

680
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: it may be the worst offensive line that they've ever

681
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: fielded in front of Patrick Mahomes, even though they've just

682
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: re signed Trey Smith, who's an excellent guard, to as

683
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: much guaranteed money as the guard's ever made, and they

684
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: have the number one interior offensive lineman according to this list,

685
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: Creed Humphrey playing center. The other three are very much

686
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: questionable at this point in time. That was the thing

687
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: that undid Patrick Mahomes the most in the Super Bowl.

688
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson is one of those players who's able to

689
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: negate the impact of his offensive line more than any

690
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: other quarterback on this list. He's better than Joe Burrow.

691
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: He's better than Josh Allen. He's better than Patrick Mahomes.

692
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: If we're talking about last year as a sample size,

693
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: it's not even close.

694
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: That's a pretty I mean, you're making a pretty declarative

695
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: statement on The Funny thing is I agree with a

696
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: lot of what you said regarding Mahomes.

697
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: I really do. I don't know.

698
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: I think you're underselling a little bit of what Josh

699
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: Allen did last year. I mean Honestly, going into that season,

700
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 3: talking to people around Buffalo, they kept saying, we were

701
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: all looking at the wide receiver position. The conversation was

702
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: that you frankly, the Bills believed internally that he can

703
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: be responsible for forty touchdowns no matter who's around in

704
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: between throwing and running, and then he turned around and

705
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: did all of that. I think Josh Allen last year

706
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: was absolutely special. I had no problem with Josh Allen

707
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: being the MVP. And then the other side is Joe

708
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: Burrow who had absolutely no help but had a historic here.

709
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: I just absolutely and to do as much as he

710
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: did last year with health issues at the wide receiver position. Also,

711
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Lamar Jackson isn't elite one of

712
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: the best. I just I don't know that I can

713
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: just declare right now if I'm looking at this season

714
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: based on recent results, Lamar Jackson is incredible. But I

715
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: mean I have every bit as much, if not more

716
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: faith than Josh Allen and Joe Burrow going into this

717
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: year and Mahomes all he does is win, like that

718
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: has to matter at some point if we're ranking quarterbacks,

719
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: the fact that no matter what you're up against, all

720
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: you ever do is win. It's no longer luck at

721
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: this point, It's just part of the identity of who

722
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is like.

723
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: You don't beat the Chiefs in a close game.

724
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes doesn't lose one score games, and you can

725
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: never beat this team in a blowout. So doesn't having

726
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: that championship DNA that can win a close football game

727
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 3: have to matter in these rankings?

728
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: It should. I acknowledge that it should. And I don't

729
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: want to detigrate Josh Allen just because I think I

730
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: acknowledged that he was an excellent player, that his case

731
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 4: for MVP was a good one, but I don't think

732
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 4: it was the best case based on what Lamar Jackson

733
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: was able to do. It fits he and it's probably

734
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: it's probably personal preference, and I do think that Lamar

735
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: Jackson also benefits from the fact that he probably has

736
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: maybe top to bottom, the best collection of skill players

737
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: of any of these four. I know Joe Burrow has

738
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase and he is arguably, maybe not arguably, the

739
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: best wide receiver in football going right now, but with

740
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: Mark Andrews, and I know Mark Andrews did not end

741
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: the playoffs the way that he wanted to. But Derek Henry, Mark, Andrews,

742
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: Zay Flowers, now DeAndre Hopkins, Who's at least who's at

743
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: least a a an above average effective player, even if

744
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: he's not at the height of his powers anymore. Right,

745
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: Lamar I almost think got hurt by the fact that

746
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: he had more name brand skill players around him propping

747
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 4: not necessarily propping him up, but assisting in him executing

748
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: as at a high of a level as any quarterback

749
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: last year. But FITZI, if I read the first sentence

750
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: in this ranking, Jackson is the most breathtaking player in

751
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: the game, is the first thing that Jeremy Fowler writes

752
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: under Lamar Jackson's ranking here, where his lowest ranking was six,

753
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: his highest ranking was number one. Last year he also

754
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 4: came in at number four. He is the most breathtaking

755
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 4: player in the game. I would agree with that. Fowler

756
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: also writes he might be the most feared in the

757
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: game too, depending on who you ask, based on the

758
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 4: degree of difficulty that it takes to hold Lamar Jackson down.

759
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: Truly hold Lamar Jackson down, And I would argue that

760
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is one B in this category because he's

761
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: physically overwhelming. He's mad Max out there, and you have

762
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: to I mean, it's like trying to It's like it's

763
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: like a cheetah trying to bring down a giraffe. It's

764
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: not viable nine times out of ten. And that's how

765
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: Josh Allen makes a lot of good outside of when

766
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: the or when the play breaks down. Patrick Mahomes. Teams

767
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: may not have an outright answer for him to keep

768
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: him out of the Super Bowl, but they have at

769
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: least figured out a way to make him less special.

770
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: They don't have explosive plays in that Chiefs offensive late,

771
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 4: and maybe they find ways to manufacture that this year,

772
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: but that's one of the things that made Patrick Mahomes

773
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: the most deadly at any given point. There is no

774
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: way to keep Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen at this

775
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 4: point from being able to execute explosive plays, whether it's

776
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: with their legs or through the air.

777
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: If you were walking in today and you could pick

778
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: any quarterback in the league to be your quarterback this

779
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: year on your football team, you would pick Lamar Jackson

780
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: over Patrick Mahomes.

781
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 4: I wouldn't think twice.

782
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: I just I can't, I can't, I can't go with

783
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: you on that.

784
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: The number of times we've seen Patrick Mahomes bail out

785
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: his entire team.

786
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: No I covered the AFC Championship. I've covered a lot

787
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: of games with both Mahomes out, well, all three of them,

788
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: Mahomes out and honestly Burrow because of the team that

789
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: I covered, the Titans in the AFC, and they used

790
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 4: to be good at one time. It's been a long

791
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 4: time since they've been worth a dam, but they used

792
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 4: to have classic games against all four of these teams

793
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: and all four of these quarterbacks. It was harder for

794
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: them to stop Lamar Jackson than it was to stop

795
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes. And I'm not just using that as an

796
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: example of all right, I watched this team against both quarterbacks,

797
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: and this is how one did versus the other. I

798
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: have seen it consistently in the ways that they win.

799
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 4: There are just more ways that Lamar Jackson can outright individually,

800
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: individually beat you than Patrick Mahomes can. Mahomes has benefited

801
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: from not just being excellent himself, but also playing on

802
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: high level teams when Tyreek Hill was on that roster,

803
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: when Travis Kelsey was at the height of his powers,

804
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: When that defense is playing as well as it did,

805
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: and that playoff run was not It was a better

806
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: run for Mahomes in the offense than it was for

807
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: the chief defense. Certainly, that Super Bowl was not Steve

808
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 4: Spagnolo's units best performance by a mile. But if you

809
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: gave me all things equal and said, regardless of the

810
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: team that we're putting on, which quarterback can beat you

811
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: in more ways? The answer is Lamar Jackson.

812
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: Man, you got two minutes to go in a game

813
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: and you need a quarterback. Patrick Mahomes is a better

814
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: quarterback like that in that moment you got you got

815
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: twelve seconds and you need it. You need something patri

816
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: at some point.

817
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: But that wasn't It's not the final two minutes. That

818
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 4: wasn't the question. The question was, if you're drafting of

819
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: quarterback to play for your franchise, which one are you taking.

820
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: I'm giving myself the most amount of chances by taking Lamar.

821
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: I'm giving myself the person that all he does is win.

822
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: Like I mean, it's not even just about the playoffs here.

823
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: It's just the number of times that we have seen

824
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes just left dead in the water and then

825
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: he finds his way back into it.

826
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: I have a hard year for them.

827
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: Last year was fifteen and two to your point, in

828
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: a Super

829
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: Bowl appearance like and if I have to bet my

830
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: house this year on who's going back and who's going

831
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: to the super Bowl, it would be dumb to bet

832
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: against Patrick Mahomes in my opinion,