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Speaker 1: Native lamplod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. As we talk about and go into

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Speaker 1: our larger conversation of this conversation around US imperialism. There

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Speaker 1: was one of the clips I wanted to lead off

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Speaker 1: with and talk about, but it was Pete Hegseth who

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Speaker 1: criticizes the media's coverage of the Iran War and talked

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Speaker 1: about the fact he couldn't wait for Ellison to take

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Speaker 1: over CNN. Let's talk about it on the other side.

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Speaker 2: With every passing hour, we know, and we know they

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Speaker 2: know that the military capabilities of their evil regime are crumbling.

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Speaker 2: They can barely communicate, let alone coordinate. They're confused and

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Speaker 2: we know it. Our response, we will keep pressing, We

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Speaker 2: will keep pushing, keep advancing, no quarter, no mercy for

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Speaker 2: our enemies. Yet some of this crew in the press

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Speaker 2: just can't stop. Allow me to make a few suggestions.

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Speaker 2: People look up at the TV and they see banners,

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Speaker 2: they see headlines. I used to be in that business,

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Speaker 2: and I know that everything is written intentionally. For example,

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Speaker 2: a banner or a headline mid East War intensifies splashing

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Speaker 2: on the screen. The last couple of days alongside visuals

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Speaker 2: of civilian or energy targets that Iran has hit because

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Speaker 2: that's what they do.

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Speaker 3: What should the.

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Speaker 2: Banner read instead? How about Iran increasingly desperate because they are.

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Speaker 2: They know it, and so do you, if it can

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Speaker 2: be admitted or more fake news from CNN reports that

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration underestimated the Iran war's impact on the

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Speaker 2: Strait of horr moves patently ridiculous. Of course, for decades,

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Speaker 2: Iran has threatened shipping in the Strait of Horror moves.

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Speaker 4: This is always what they do.

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Speaker 2: Hold the straight hostage. CNN doesn't think we thought of that.

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Speaker 2: It's a fundamentally unserious report. The sooner David Ellison takes

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Speaker 2: over that network.

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Speaker 4: The better. He's a fundamentally unserious person.

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Speaker 3: That's why Liz CAUs him. Pete Kigg's breath the.

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Speaker 4: Other thing that should like alarm anybody on the listening

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Speaker 4: side of that. There's a lot about it. But as

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Speaker 4: the Defense Secretary for the United States of America, his

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Speaker 4: use of the phrase no quarter, which we should just

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Speaker 4: break down for a moment, refers to the refusal to

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Speaker 4: spare the life of an enemy even after surrender. It

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Speaker 4: means you will kill the enemy regardless of surrender or

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Speaker 4: their inability to fight back, and according to the Geneva Conventions,

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Speaker 4: I think of like nineteen oh seven, that is a

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Speaker 4: war crime, and it is acknowledged at the Hague and

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Speaker 4: through all international definitions of the rules of engagement of

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Speaker 4: and practically I don't know if that there is one

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Speaker 4: that doesn't agree. Maybe maybe in North Koreina would little

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Speaker 4: little Jim Jim Ill Kim Jong Ill, right, But the

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Speaker 4: man at a press conference basically asserted an international war

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Speaker 4: crime would be the status quo conduct of the United

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Speaker 4: States and military. Again, it gets there are obviously worst

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Speaker 4: things that that this administration has done and said and

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Speaker 4: lied about and so on and so forth. But I

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Speaker 4: just find it alarming that a man who was I

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Speaker 4: service as a civilian leader for the military under the president,

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Speaker 1: Not a pressure. There was so much to take out

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Speaker 1: of that. But for me, it just goes to the

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Speaker 1: oligarchy and the fact that they're talking about one of

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Speaker 1: their friends, They're talking about one of their colleagues taking

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Speaker 1: over the media. We now know, if we can put

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Speaker 1: up just the picture of the tweet from Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: just quickly, how they want to take away our voices,

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Speaker 1: How they want to take away any dissenting voice, which

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Speaker 1: is fascism, which is the oligarchy. And if you look

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Speaker 1: at this tweet from Donald Trump recently, he talks about

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Speaker 1: getting PBS defunded. He talks about getting Joy Read and

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Speaker 1: Lester Hode and Jim Acosta and John Dickerson and Chuck

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Speaker 1: type of just clear eyed view that was diametrically opposed

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Speaker 1: to that of the White House out and under reforms.

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Speaker 1: He talks about CNN new ownership. He talks about TikTok,

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Speaker 1: he talks about X, he talks about Disney, the FCC.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of these things. If we don't wake up,

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Speaker 1: Garrison's now an independent media. But if we don't wake up,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just think about how the oligarchy's going to

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Speaker 5: You said something there, Kari that I think is important

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Speaker 5: been more important that you support independent media than this time.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we are.

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Speaker 5: Living in a time. And when I say independent media,

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Speaker 5: I don't just mean like creators and people who are

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Speaker 5: disseminating information that way, which I think is important. I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about non partisan media, which they are actively trying

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Speaker 5: They have an angle CBS News. I think about CNN

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Speaker 5: that they're saying the Ellisons are going to take over.

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Speaker 5: I am, you know, when I'm listening to Hegseth, I'm

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Speaker 5: much of my Middle East news as possible from Al Jazeera.

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Speaker 5: And if you go to Al Jazeera and look at

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Speaker 5: it's actually fundamentally different many times than what you see

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Speaker 5: look other places these days. It's incredibly important. The other

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Speaker 5: thing that heg Seth said that I want to highlight

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Speaker 5: was that every single Chiron banner headline is crafted intentionally.

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Speaker 5: And what he didn't say, but what he intended for

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Speaker 5: you to understand, is that it's all intentionally crafted to

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Speaker 5: far as to say, I come from that business, which

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Speaker 5: is to say when he was at Fox News, that's

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Speaker 5: what they were doing. They were crafting the story to

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Speaker 5: What they're talking about is propaganda, which is what I

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Speaker 5: believe they want for all the American news stations to

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Speaker 5: certainly what bart whis is doing for them, and so

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Speaker 5: you've got to kind of be aware of where you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, also state run news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean also to your that thank you natural segue, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I mean State run News. Let's put up this tweet

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Speaker 1: from SEC Chair Brendan Carr, who threatened to revoke broadcast

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Speaker 1: licenses if broadcasters don't operate in the quote unquote public

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Speaker 1: interest and give the Iran war more friendly news coverage.

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Speaker 1: He said broadcasters that are running hoaxes and news distortions

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Speaker 1: now to correct course before their license renewals come up.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a blatant threat. I mean it is

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Speaker 1: it is state run news. I mean it's a longer

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Speaker 1: At the end, he says, when a political candidate is

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Speaker 1: able to win in a landslide election victory, by the way,

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Speaker 1: this is supposed to be a non partisan office. After

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Speaker 1: in the face of hoaxes and distortions, there is something

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Speaker 3: Who is a landslide election victory are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: You know, okay, I just you know what's troubling me

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Speaker 3: right now is the many ways in which the deck

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Speaker 3: stacked in media. It's one that they've tried to stack

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Speaker 3: you know, false claims against some of the people who

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Speaker 3: are our heroes right now and have the courage to

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Speaker 3: fight in this moment. Even with the media, they're not

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Speaker 3: playing fair. They are buying their followers and their downloads

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Speaker 3: I think that the most important thing we can do

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Speaker 3: I don't get it. So I really hope that we

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Speaker 1: We're just not Can I add one point to Garrison's

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Speaker 1: saturating into where I'm from. But the media that is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whychot went down?

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Speaker 4: By the way, this guy is saying, first of all, Republicans,

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Speaker 4: the President has yet to explain to the American people.

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Speaker 4: He has not held a single address, not a single

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Speaker 4: doing over there. Americans have already lost their lives. Others,

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Speaker 4: you know, over one hundred and sixty hour or so

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Speaker 4: the media asks how did these soldiers die? What region

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Speaker 4: President says, is there another question? Anyone have a question

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Speaker 4: that's not about dead people?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: This is how it comports himself. And then he uses

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to take over Cuba next, and Venezuela. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we don't have a timeline for when we'll when we'll

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Speaker 4: we'll hand back over leadership to them, we'll control we'll

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Speaker 4: control that. And yeah, we'll take Greenland. You know why

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Speaker 4: you add it? And let me think of whatever expansion

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Speaker 4: is imperialists designs I have on the world. While the

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Speaker 4: rest of the world has spent the last hundred years

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Speaker 4: deconstructing empires, right nations, sovereign people deciding that they've always

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Speaker 4: Everybody else has moved away from that except two Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 4: Jong un who wants to take over South Korea because

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Speaker 4: to take over Taiwan because he's never recognized Taiwan as

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Speaker 4: being its own country, its own sovereign land. It is

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Speaker 4: a part of China, endo China? And then who else

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Speaker 4: do we add to that list? The only other person

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Speaker 4: we can legitimately add to that list is the goddamn

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Speaker 4: leader of the free world, a free world that he

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Speaker 4: doesn't believe in, because he's trying to build empires again.

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Speaker 4: I just hope, I just hope that this midterm election,

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Speaker 4: we're all going to be smart enough that we don't

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Speaker 4: have to fall in love with the candidates on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to fall in line with the ones

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Speaker 4: who are going to help hold off and stave off

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Speaker 4: this imperialist, expansionist man who I quite find dangerously delirious

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Speaker 4: most days that he's speaking. And I think somebody I'll

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Speaker 4: be checking into that.

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