Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rodgers, letting you know. Tickets
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Speaker 1: is Lost Culture ding dong Lost Cultures calling and they
Speaker 1: call every week without fail.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Do you know we're up maybe
Speaker 2: the only podcast left that doesn't do seasons. Oh maybe
Speaker 2: that's going out at the window too.
Speaker 1: You know, well we're form breakers. Yes, so the podcast
Speaker 1: has we're seeing critical acclaim. Now are they giving us
Speaker 1: an award for breaking ground and podcasting?
Speaker 2: Bow?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, us and esther a stair Parrell. I
Speaker 1: better learn how to say that before I meet her.
Speaker 2: I'm my god, you know what a fun Colleen costume
Speaker 2: would have been? What fred as stare Parrel. That's really good, bo,
Speaker 2: that would have been really fun. Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: and a stair Parrel. I unfortunately cannot make this ceremony. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the Signal Awards, the Signal Awards were so honored,
Speaker 2: so thankful. You get to meet a stair Parol which
Speaker 2: is going to be huge, and I think you too
Speaker 2: will hit it off.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're gonna connect. By the way,
Speaker 1: I know it's a stare Parrel. It just came out
Speaker 1: like esther perel, which sometimes is gonna happen. When you
Speaker 1: have a name like that, has anyone ever come up
Speaker 1: to you and gone like bow when.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had people fully go bowing and I'm like bowing, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: and they know that these are people who know how
Speaker 2: my name is pronounced. And you know, something goes off
Speaker 2: in the synapses and they fire a little bit incorrectly.
Speaker 1: Synapses fire incorrectly at times. That's actually we're at the
Speaker 1: culture at number six as far incorrectly at times. Wait,
Speaker 1: do you know what's funny is if you really think
Speaker 1: about this, bo yes, And notice I say bo and
Speaker 1: not bowen, Because the point I'm gonna make is about
Speaker 1: how we often we'll call each other a name that
Speaker 1: is not our god given name, right, And I've never
Speaker 1: once said to you boo you can. I've never made
Speaker 1: a bow bow joke to you, like, even though bow
Speaker 1: is such an integral part of your first name, I've
Speaker 1: never made like a bow wow wow joke to.
Speaker 2: You ever, Bo b A. I remember there was an
Speaker 2: era like early on in our friendship where I was
Speaker 2: calling you Mimi, yes, Bobo and me me we title
Speaker 2: Bobo and me me, oh, very Mariah of you.
Speaker 1: It didn't stand on test the time. Why don't you think?
Speaker 2: I think it's making its grand return today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So right before we started, Bowen asked
Speaker 1: me if I was annoyed with him because we could
Speaker 1: have been tactile today, but Bowen wants to have our
Speaker 1: own days.
Speaker 2: By the way, just her context, We're going to get
Speaker 2: tactile the next two days on the calendar, and we'll
Speaker 2: talk about why. We'll talk about why.
Speaker 1: And we've been so tactile lately, and I want you
Speaker 1: to know. You said, are you annoyed with me? And
Speaker 1: I literally really thought about it, and I said seven percent,
Speaker 1: just because I wish you had told me.
Speaker 2: That we that this was happening, that we could have
Speaker 2: been tactile.
Speaker 1: But you have your ways and seven percent is nothing
Speaker 1: my ways. I'm not your ways.
Speaker 2: I just mean, like, no, I'm annoyed it with you
Speaker 2: at fifteen percent. Oh not double digits.
Speaker 1: I just mean sometimes, like I know you want to
Speaker 1: have your own time and I respect it deeply.
Speaker 2: What is going on are you? I mean maybe it's
Speaker 2: just the world and the news. I have been on
Speaker 2: my report cards for sleep in my mind. Oh my
Speaker 2: fail fail fail fail fail fail fail worse than usual.
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers. I when I last night at the Hollowekend,
Speaker 2: got home at like four, went to bed at four thirty,
Speaker 2: woke up at seven thirty, couldn't go back to sleep,
Speaker 2: went crazy. Finally at eleven thirty, managed to like go
Speaker 2: back to sleep for like an hour and a half
Speaker 2: before recording this. I don't know something. I'm just like anyway,
Speaker 2: this is what it's about. Like I just like took
Speaker 2: everything else off the calendar except for this.
Speaker 1: No, I'm can I tell you something. I'm zero percent
Speaker 1: and I want you to know that right now.
Speaker 2: I am zero. Oh no, no, that's zero. That's not why.
Speaker 1: But as a result of hearing you say that you're
Speaker 1: not sleeping, which that so I just want you to
Speaker 1: know zero percent, Queen. I want you to have all
Speaker 1: the moments of rest. Do you think it's Halloween looming?
Speaker 2: I think it's Halloween looming. I think it's many things looming.
Speaker 2: Oh girl, we don't have to really talk about it,
Speaker 2: but I think.
Speaker 1: We probably should. If this is gonna be a lost
Speaker 1: culture racist, I think we need to talk about what's
Speaker 1: happening in culture, which is unfort the.
Speaker 2: Election, unforced the election. Maybe that's the title of that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's Bobo and mem Yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: really what this podcast is all about. And it's received
Speaker 1: Critical Acclaimant awards.
Speaker 2: It's received critical acclaim in awards. I have seen you earlier.
Speaker 2: I got tacked to with you earlier this week, and
Speaker 2: I really, I really appreciate you as a friend and
Speaker 2: love you an artist. I love you so dearly. Matt Rogers,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we need to start by talking about
Speaker 2: the one, the only, Elizabeth Finchy. Finch.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you said that, because I fear
Speaker 1: I may have forgotten. And this is the really the
Speaker 1: this is the top news story of the week. Unfortunate
Speaker 1: the election is on the list. This is the number
Speaker 1: one new story week. Elizabeth R. Finch Finchy to her
Speaker 1: friends Finchy to her enemies.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, Finchy to her coworkers who put on a
Speaker 2: good front on this documentary by saying we were so
Speaker 2: concerned for FINCHI you know, these other writers on Grays
Speaker 2: fucking hated her ass.
Speaker 1: So Bowen watched the entirety of the documentary on Peacock
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth our French Gray's anatomy writer slash liar about cancer.
Speaker 2: Anatomy of Lies.
Speaker 1: Set the scene, tell us what we can expect to
Speaker 1: see when we click play.
Speaker 2: So this is I think one of the first Vanity
Speaker 2: Fair Studios productions. Shout out the shout out, welcome to
Speaker 2: the the unscripted space. Let's go, baby, let's go. We
Speaker 2: love the magazine welcome to television.
Speaker 1: Every time I read that magazine, I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: wish I could watch this period. And now Vanity Fair
Speaker 1: is on television. You can watch it.
Speaker 2: On Peacock Our Sister.
Speaker 1: I can't. I'll get to emotional if I start talking
Speaker 1: about my I start my sister.
Speaker 2: Peacock. Yeah, LCCA winners, Cult winners, basically, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just it's such a sprawling, truly web of lies has
Speaker 2: never been so appropriate, you know, I always roll my
Speaker 2: eyes at that term. Oh web of lies l L.
Speaker 2: Who are these people? Spiders?
Speaker 1: No, this is her.
Speaker 2: She spawns Elizabeth, She spawns the web, She spins the yarn,
Speaker 2: and she is someone who grew up in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: had aspirations of being in showbiz, went to college. I
Speaker 2: think apparently she went to college in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: She's just like all of you, basically, is what we're saying.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just like get a little bit granular to
Speaker 2: start and then we'll go from there. So she allegedly
Speaker 2: went to college. They don't really talk about. They kind
Speaker 2: of glossed over this chapter in her life. She went
Speaker 2: to college in the Pittsburgh area, where she was a
Speaker 2: frequenter of the Tree of Life Synagogue. Sure, and then
Speaker 2: she went on to the grad program at USC for screenwriting.
Speaker 2: And then she would proceed to work on shows such
Speaker 2: as True Blood and Vampire Diaries, where she made close
Speaker 2: friendships in very deep traumatic She had traumatic experiences on
Speaker 2: the set of Vampire Diaries at the hands of a director.
Speaker 2: This woman then went on to write for Grey's Anatomy
Speaker 2: as she was hiding quote unquote a cancer diagnosis, but
Speaker 2: was kind of hired for that reason because she kept
Speaker 2: getting pieces on. I guess it was Vanity Fair or
Speaker 2: was just other magazines where in publications and trades where
Speaker 2: she was writing about how she was battling cancer and
Speaker 2: how Friday night lights and people saying state was such
Speaker 2: a rallying cry for her, she.
Speaker 1: Was publicly sick and writing brave stories. Publicly sick and
Speaker 1: writing brave stories also might be title of app. I
Speaker 1: think that's the excellent publicly sick and what writing brave stories.
Speaker 2: Basically, all of this is a huge lie. There's a
Speaker 2: huge grip of hugely and then the documentary kind of
Speaker 2: follows her as she checks into a institution in Arizona
Speaker 2: where she meets this woman named Jen, who is escaping
Speaker 2: an abusive husband who is kind of put her kid's
Speaker 2: custody at stake, and Finchy kind of prays on this
Speaker 2: in her narcissistic tendency praise on Jen and takes advantage
Speaker 2: of her and kind of mothers the children when she
Speaker 2: has an aversion to children. To everyone else, the layers
Speaker 2: on this are crazy. I need you to reveal the
Speaker 2: funniest detail of this entire thing to you, and the
Speaker 2: way that I prefaced it to you. I said, Matt,
Speaker 2: we have to watch this documentary series because there's one
Speaker 2: detail in this that is the most Matt Rogers codd
Speaker 2: thing I can I couldn't even dream of saying.
Speaker 1: And now I say, do we reveal it here? I
Speaker 1: think we have to. We we are going to spoil,
Speaker 1: we are gonna split, We're gonna say spoiler alert. She
Speaker 1: at one point claims to need a kidney transplant, and
Speaker 1: she tells everyone that she's getting a kidney from her
Speaker 1: dear friend Anna Paquin. She tells everyone, I need I
Speaker 1: guess like word gets around because she tells maybe someone
Speaker 1: at work she's getting a kidney transplant, and it's from
Speaker 1: Anna Paquin. They are dear friends from their time together
Speaker 1: at True Blood.
Speaker 2: This woman, this celebrated actress Oscar winning Oscar, it was
Speaker 2: euphick Oscar winning Anna pack went the piano Shookie Stackhouse
Speaker 2: herself allowing a kidney transplant.
Speaker 1: And mind you, this obviously did not happen, and who
Speaker 1: knows if they are even friends. But the thing is
Speaker 1: like it was one of those moments when it came,
Speaker 1: when it happened on screen, after you had said I
Speaker 1: could never have even guessed that that would have been
Speaker 1: what it was, but you are correct. It was a
Speaker 1: euphoric Adele dezime esque moment.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Hyptoria. I felt it in my chest. I felt a
Speaker 1: pop of joy when I realized she had told everyone
Speaker 1: that she was getting a kidney from her dear friend
Speaker 1: Anna Paquin. That really, honestly, we needed that, We needed
Speaker 1: that win, and we got that win.
Speaker 2: This is a Dele Diseine level adult Dezine famously the
Speaker 2: number one.
Speaker 1: There might have to be a new List moment of culture.
Speaker 2: They might have to be a new list interesting five hundred.
Speaker 2: We're we're getting closed.
Speaker 1: We are getting ever closer. And maybe it's the top
Speaker 1: five hundred greatest moments in culture again.
Speaker 2: And are we setting up a cycle that six hundred
Speaker 2: will be the six hundred greatest songs of the Great
Speaker 2: Global Songbook again.
Speaker 1: Or I don't know. See the thing is like, as
Speaker 1: we rack up even more episodes of this critically acclaimed podcast,
Speaker 1: which has never been academic bigger in its life, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you this Lost Coach is Wow. It's everywhere.
Speaker 1: If you are if you are on reels, you're watching
Speaker 1: Lost Coach.
Speaker 2: Pon me. You're watching the backwash of TikTok and you're
Speaker 2: washing you're watching lost culture reels period. I mean, we
Speaker 2: were so so so fastidious on Marie's behalf about getting
Speaker 2: the lighting right for let's talk about it, let's should
Speaker 2: be unpacked.
Speaker 1: Of course, absolutely, but are we Are we done with
Speaker 1: what was even the name of the fintry documentary Anatomy
Speaker 1: of Lies, Anatomy of Lies, Anatomy of Lies? Yes, because
Speaker 1: honestly it is huge culture and the fact that you
Speaker 1: had already watched the entire thing and you go to me, no,
Speaker 1: we're watching it again.
Speaker 2: I watch you, I swear I want to do I
Speaker 2: need it to watch you and cuity watch it again.
Speaker 1: Honestly, was there anything crazy that might have been the
Speaker 1: moment that's so that, like that a person could be
Speaker 1: this twisted and like it's a true exploration. It's honestly
Speaker 1: deeply sad by the end because of how like this
Speaker 1: woman Jen who gets absolutely her life rocked, not just
Speaker 1: by Finching but by life itself, Like she cannot get
Speaker 1: a win. This woman and she is doing a talking
Speaker 1: head like she's talking about what happened, and she is
Speaker 1: reliving it in the most visceral way I have ever
Speaker 1: seen like a documentary, at least in these pop culture documentaries,
Speaker 1: interview subject, embody what it means to have been in
Speaker 1: that same page, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like very on the surface. Yes, yeah. The documentary
Speaker 2: ends on a very beautiful note as it focuses on
Speaker 2: what a wonderful mother she is to her five children,
Speaker 2: who all seem so happy and they're back with mom
Speaker 2: so wonderful. The other detail that I do want to
Speaker 2: talk about that I love is the each episode ends
Speaker 2: on some text cards, and the detail that I love.
Speaker 1: Is that this is so good. This was a scream
Speaker 1: at the end of every of the.
Speaker 2: Scream so Finchy kind of without this other writer's permission,
Speaker 2: took their personal story about being conceived from rape and
Speaker 2: used it as a beat as a b story on
Speaker 2: the Big Grays post me to episode that she kind
Speaker 2: of took ownership of.
Speaker 1: She was very publicly writing that as well, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. She was like, I have written the
Speaker 1: episode of me too, Grey's Anatomy here it is. She
Speaker 1: also was so The probably funniest part about it is
Speaker 1: that the character that she ended up really gravitated towards
Speaker 1: was Joe played by actress Camilla Luddington.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the title card on each episode ends with
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Finch claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired her to
Speaker 2: write Silent after all these years.
Speaker 1: Not a stolen story, but the Kavanaugh hearings.
Speaker 2: The Kavanaugh hearings, and then line break, paragraph break, the
Speaker 2: actress Camilla Luddington claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired which
Speaker 2: actors have ideas all the time, and we love that,
Speaker 2: and speaking as actors, we celebrate the ideas of actors
Speaker 2: and that's actually a roller coach at number one.
Speaker 1: We celebrate the.
Speaker 2: Ideas of the cursers, especially Camilla Luddington's Jamilla Luddington. But
Speaker 2: Camilla Luddington had the idea from the Brett Kavanaugh hearings
Speaker 2: as well to have her character Joe be a child
Speaker 2: conceived of rape as well.
Speaker 1: They're putting together this documentary and it's like, is it
Speaker 1: this woman's real story or the stolen story of Finchy.
Speaker 1: Just as a third drop, Camilla steps forward and says, no,
Speaker 1: I came up with it. I came up with this.
Speaker 2: I told this woman's story.
Speaker 1: It's so funny and not me who wanted to do this.
Speaker 2: Like this is. It is a tapestry of personality disorders
Speaker 2: across multiple people.
Speaker 1: I love it, and I embrace and welcome all of
Speaker 1: them into my home. I would welcome Elizabeth Finch into
Speaker 1: my home. I literally, I would welcome her into my
Speaker 1: home seriously, and I would say, let's sit down, let's talk.
Speaker 2: No, this is what happened. Now. You would say, Finch,
Speaker 2: come into my home. I welcome you. And then here's
Speaker 2: what she would say, respectfully. Hell fecking no, hell fecking no.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. See this is this is the other
Speaker 1: element of it is you would hear this woman's credits
Speaker 1: and you would think, oh, you know that she went
Speaker 1: to the US. See, like all those things right, you
Speaker 1: would think she was quite good. Oh. All the clips
Speaker 1: that they show are the most insane, batshit crazy dialogue
Speaker 1: you've ever heard. Like it's just and then you're watching
Speaker 1: the show and not this but a little bit like, God,
Speaker 1: was this the quality of grace even when we were
Speaker 1: watching it at this time, I actually had stopped watching
Speaker 1: it by that time.
Speaker 2: I had stopped watching at that time too. But you
Speaker 2: know what, I can't blame the people with in grays
Speaker 2: who like really champion her, Like unfortunately they were.
Speaker 1: Being fool they were by a master manipulator. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's crazy at the time to look back and be
Speaker 1: like wow, like we had to take this this seriously
Speaker 1: because this woman was really, really, really saying that that
Speaker 1: she was going through it, and like why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: let her testify to that? Like, and it's also wild
Speaker 1: to me that she does walk free, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like there's no illegal element, I guess to
Speaker 1: any of this. She's just allowed to go on a
Speaker 1: spree of baseline, hectic like at its worst, like really
Speaker 1: harmful and damaging lies.
Speaker 2: Like it's crazy she's walking free. I think, like there
Speaker 2: is no world in which anyone gives her any credibility.
Speaker 2: Well certainly, Oh anyway, everyone, we lightly spoiled Anatomy of Lies.
Speaker 2: It's really well made. Congratulations once again to Vanity Fair
Speaker 2: Studios and Peacock.
Speaker 1: Honestly, he really It's almost like I had been missing
Speaker 1: like the third Grader's writing for my scripted series because
Speaker 1: none of my none of my shows are on So
Speaker 1: I felt like I got a third Grader documentary in
Speaker 1: the fact that like the content of what was happening
Speaker 1: I can only describe as and just like that, ask.
Speaker 2: Maybe Finchy is gonna collab with the third graders soon?
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: See, this is where I think bo we encounter the
Speaker 1: really dark and harmful thing about all this, which is
Speaker 1: have we made Finchy a legit icon? And do we
Speaker 1: want to see another film from her? Another episode of television?
Speaker 1: I kind of I would welcome Finchy's creativity at this point.
Speaker 2: Wow, she's really in my home. Well, I don't if
Speaker 2: she worked on me the narcissism. Never, she's in the
Speaker 2: guest room. She's she's co parenting your children.
Speaker 1: Narcissists love to see me coming. They love to see
Speaker 1: me coming.
Speaker 2: That's so true of both of us. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: the Narises love us, or we love the Narses. I
Speaker 2: call them.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift Afrus narcissists, but they love me.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about recent contract going experiences too. Okay,
Speaker 2: should we put a pin in that go to Mariah first?
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about concert experience? So?
Speaker 1: I guess the first thing I would say about the
Speaker 1: Mariah episode was that, Wow, it fucking happened. Honestly, Yes,
Speaker 1: regarding the lighting. We were on it, and I have
Speaker 1: to say she was barely late, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like showed up ready to go serene. That
Speaker 1: is the quality I would describe. I mean, and then
Speaker 1: so kind, so open to us obviously, like listening back
Speaker 1: to that, I keep a little bit of me is.
Speaker 2: Like Matt, relax, relax, relax.
Speaker 1: But I think that she dealt with all the energy well.
Speaker 1: And I think we did pretty well.
Speaker 2: I think we did wonderfully. You especially, that is another
Speaker 2: gorgeous moment where I get to like, witness you talk
Speaker 2: to your fucking hero. I was. I can't believe it, Matt,
Speaker 2: you did so well.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And I want everyone to hear me say
Speaker 1: this on this podcast right now, because I said it
Speaker 1: out loud to be why well. I used to call
Speaker 1: Bobo and he would call me me Me, I said
Speaker 1: to him. It is important to me now that we
Speaker 1: get two people on this podcast, and I'm speaking it
Speaker 1: out into existence now. Leady Gaga, it's time for you
Speaker 1: to come on this podcast. And this is the white
Speaker 1: whale Bo, this is the next white Whale. Celine Dion
Speaker 1: on Lost Coach, Celene Dion, I'm gonna cry Celine Dion
Speaker 1: on Lost Coach. I need you to experience what I've
Speaker 1: experienced with Kelly and Mariah Gaga and Selene on Lost Coach.
Speaker 1: When this podcast is winning a Signal award, I am
Speaker 1: emotional now now I'm emotional.
Speaker 2: No, don't, girl, don't you need to be strong. We
Speaker 2: are a leader in podcasts. We have to have the best.
Speaker 2: We need the leaders in art. We need the leaders
Speaker 2: in art.
Speaker 1: But Selene and Gaga on the podcast, that's what we want.
Speaker 2: Look, consider this the first flare out into the world.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. And publicists, you play a role in this.
Speaker 1: You can help make this happen. You really can. If
Speaker 1: you tweet at Gaga, tweet at Gaga, tweet at Selene.
Speaker 2: She loves it when people tweet at her.
Speaker 1: Send Selene a ton of fan mail. Let's do this,
Speaker 1: Let's let her bomb Selene. Oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: with love, with love.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm still just overwhelmed thinking about the
Speaker 2: idea of them coming.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, I mean, I actually think those would
Speaker 1: be both stunning episodes.
Speaker 2: Stunning stunning, Oh my god, I mean to have like
Speaker 2: a a quatrain, a quartet of episodes. Kelly Mariah Gaga
Speaker 2: Selene like that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: To say nothing of what's happening for the next month.
Speaker 1: Should we announce our little series?
Speaker 2: Let's announce our series, shall we? Well?
Speaker 1: And by the way, a film I've seen a Wicked
Speaker 1: is coming out of November twenty second, and so we
Speaker 1: figured it might be fun since Bowen Yang plays the
Speaker 1: role of Fanny in said film, Fanny the Fop. Now
Speaker 1: we celebrate this impending release and have some of the
Speaker 1: stars of Wicked on the podcast. So how about this
Speaker 1: next week? Ariana Arianka Arianka Ariyanni. I am so excited.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be really fun. She's
Speaker 2: coming on the week after.
Speaker 1: How about this one? How about Cynthia Arrivo herself a legend.
Speaker 1: I can't I'm so beyond. And then we're going to
Speaker 1: finish it up with Johnny Bailey. You know that's true.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're gonna finish up for sure. We might
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: I'll tell them what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Oh, Matt is wiping the corners of his Let me get.
Speaker 1: Out together after that episode three in a row, babes,
Speaker 1: and then you'll all get to see Wicked on November
Speaker 1: twenty second when it comes out. But it's a wicked month.
Speaker 1: It's November is for wicked.
Speaker 2: November is for bricked. We're gonna save any wicked talk
Speaker 2: between the two of us for this. Look, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be three weeks of wicked.
Speaker 1: Oh are we because I'm popping off and you embargoed?
Speaker 1: Can I ask the genuine question, Am I under review
Speaker 1: and bargaining? No? That would be so chic, by the way.
Speaker 2: It would be so chic if you were not explicitly told.
Speaker 2: I was not explicitly told. I think people are going on.
Speaker 2: The people who've seen it, like the you know, Sleigh
Speaker 2: influencers who've seen it, like I think, are going on.
Speaker 1: You're popping off. Okay, then let me be a slagh
Speaker 1: influencer right now when I say, you guys, bargain to
Speaker 1: fucking love this movie. It is so so good it
Speaker 1: is and this is just based this is how I
Speaker 1: feel it is so much better than it needed to be.
Speaker 1: Like there are moments that just bring all of that
Speaker 1: emotion from the very first time you saw it on
Speaker 1: Broadway or heard the songs.
Speaker 2: Yes, it feels new again.
Speaker 1: Their performances are so good, like Arianna. Honestly, Ariana's physical comedy,
Speaker 1: her genuine acting, her emotion is just so real, and
Speaker 1: she's in it with Cynthia. Their chemistry is unbelievablelable. Defying
Speaker 1: gravity is a moment and three quarters.
Speaker 2: A moment in movie history. To me, they did it.
Speaker 1: They found a way to make it be as cinematic
Speaker 1: and as new and as fresh as it probably did
Speaker 1: the first time. And it's nostalgic. It honors the moment,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you you feel like
Speaker 1: when you're watching this movie, like, oh, this must have
Speaker 1: been what it felt like to discover something when it
Speaker 1: happened on Broadway. They did it. They honored Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: They really just it looks incredible. You are right. It
Speaker 1: is way more practical than we're going to realize, and
Speaker 1: the movie's going to make you feel all the things.
Speaker 1: It's just a great Hollywood movie.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you think this and that you saw it.
Speaker 2: It was very important that matt'sap before we had all
Speaker 2: our guests come on for me what I love And
Speaker 2: we're going to say this again and again for the
Speaker 2: next month, like to our guests, Yeah, get into it.
Speaker 2: All the emotional beats hit and everything hits like you know, musically,
Speaker 2: it hits, of course, and visually and it is a
Speaker 2: pure Capital S spectacle. But most importantly and probably most challengingly,
Speaker 2: these emotional beats hit like on a character development level,
Speaker 2: and that is kind of what is girding down the
Speaker 2: reason why this is two films, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh, people are going to feel so silly for wanting
Speaker 1: it to have been one.
Speaker 2: Well, the complaint for the Broadway show has always been
Speaker 2: that it's dense. There's so much happening so quickly, Like
Speaker 2: you know, there are obvious character arcs that are amazing,
Speaker 2: and that's why people love the show so much, but
Speaker 2: like you really got to let it breathe and just
Speaker 2: let it have some latitude. And I think that the
Speaker 2: movie gives it all of that and more, and I
Speaker 2: mean every number. God, there's so many moments, Like there's
Speaker 2: even songs that you might like kind of you know,
Speaker 2: like not politely at like over the last twenty years
Speaker 2: since this since the show has been out, that like
Speaker 2: are given new life. And I'm gonna say, like I'm
Speaker 2: not that girl. Nothing wrong with the Broadway version or
Speaker 2: the stage version or whatever, but like something about seeing
Speaker 2: it in film. Something about the way that Cynthia performs it, Yes,
Speaker 2: incredible and obviously Arianna Grande, Yeah, that girl's talented. Who knew?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny. I'm watching it and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, by the way, just to speak on it,
Speaker 1: I'm not that girl. It's because it's like it's an
Speaker 1: intimate thing that she's confessing and when you can be
Speaker 1: like really personal with her, and like John M. Chew,
Speaker 1: the man that you are, like he really knows how
Speaker 1: to do this, and you have to stick to your
Speaker 1: guns on those big decisions because it was the right one.
Speaker 1: Defind gravity literally brings a curtain down, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, you wouldn't be able to just move
Speaker 1: on to another scene if to find gravity happens in
Speaker 1: the railway version honestly without defying gravity, suffering and everything
Speaker 1: that happens after its suffering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why wouldn't you?
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this if not to blow it
Speaker 1: out to its absolute potential? Also, go ahead and Wikipedia
Speaker 1: whatever and read you know, Act one and Act two
Speaker 1: of Wicked. Those are two stories. Those are those are
Speaker 1: two arcs in and of themselves. Like you're actually seeing
Speaker 1: the characters after a long passage of time in like
Speaker 1: Act two of Wicked. Yes, all this to say it
Speaker 1: just trust me. It is going to give you full
Speaker 1: ass movie like with its own arcs that could end
Speaker 1: right there and would be a story, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like this is its own thing.
Speaker 2: They thank you for putting out the time jump between
Speaker 2: the two acts.
Speaker 1: When there's a time jump, you honor that member Desperate
Speaker 1: Housewives as time jump one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2: The haircuts were all askew. Gabby was in sweats, okay,
Speaker 2: Daddy was in sweats looking unkempt because Eva Longoria can
Speaker 2: do that. Oh my god, let's talk about this. I
Speaker 2: love this, like sudden news that Eva Longoria saves John
Speaker 2: Wick basically with six million dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh, this was a really good thing to hear.
Speaker 2: She has always been the hero of our culture.
Speaker 1: I believe that Eva is important beyond just oh my god,
Speaker 1: Dabby Sills, anyone thing like Eva is. We need Eva
Speaker 1: on the pod.
Speaker 2: That hello, can I say fantastic SNL host? Oh Pete
Speaker 2: Desperate Housewives. She she was so fucking big and she's
Speaker 2: still it. But like she was the biggest fucking deal
Speaker 2: they were like, we gotta get Eva on her deep.
Speaker 1: House dish is forever forever. Monday had a bad fish summons,
Speaker 1: but Monday night I was at the club. Tuesday had
Speaker 1: a bad fish that much. But Tuesday night I was
Speaker 1: at the club. Wednesday another bad fish that much. But
Speaker 1: Wednesday night I was at the club. And then she
Speaker 1: sits with Keenan and he's just he just says what happened.
Speaker 1: He's like, so you had a bad fish sandwich every
Speaker 1: night and you were still at the club. She's like, yep,
Speaker 1: and that's.
Speaker 2: Basically the sketch that's and that is a I believe
Speaker 2: executed comedic idea. James Anderson, you are the John m
Speaker 2: chu of sketch writing, of sketch comedy and that you
Speaker 2: get it. Wait, Eva Longoria like, we would love to
Speaker 2: work with you.
Speaker 1: We would love to collaborate with you literally in any way.
Speaker 1: And I'm serious, I'm pointing at you, and you know
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I know I know what you're talking about. We would
Speaker 2: love to work with you.
Speaker 1: I think Eva is third co host. Why didn't we
Speaker 1: find out like if Eva were to come in and
Speaker 1: like sort of take lost coach, that would actually be
Speaker 1: exactly the narrative.
Speaker 2: I have no doubt. I have no doubt that Eva
Speaker 2: Longrey could do our jobs better than both of us combined.
Speaker 1: Oh anything, anything?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Eva, we love you, We love Eva.
Speaker 1: The second I saw Eva on screen, I said, tell
Speaker 1: me everything when she would run up and say hey.
Speaker 1: On Disperate Housewives, Collos slay the first season of Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 2: Watch it again, Rex cries when he ejaculates.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Can I say? The only thing that
Speaker 1: doesn't work for me about the pilot of Desperate Housewives
Speaker 1: I did just watch.
Speaker 2: It again recently is the Mary Alice stuff. No.
Speaker 1: I love the Mary Alice stuff. I think all that
Speaker 1: stuff's amazing. Probably the most iconic image of it is
Speaker 1: the only thing for me that I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I buy this completely, which is Lynette getting
Speaker 1: in the pool in the pool to get her kids
Speaker 1: out of the pool in her heels. Like it's an
Speaker 1: iconic shot. I do like the imaging of it, but
Speaker 1: something about it, I was just like, I don't believe
Speaker 1: she's motivated to get all the way that fucking pool.
Speaker 1: But then again, it was a kooky show.
Speaker 2: The twins were being nightmares, though, and it was a
Speaker 2: funeral gathering. It was a party after the funeral. Yep, Oh,
Speaker 2: that is a great pilot because like, I love there's
Speaker 2: that one act where it's just the four of them
Speaker 2: bringing in their dishes to the potluck, like what it's
Speaker 2: said about them and oh, it's so genius.
Speaker 1: That was a really fun show.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I mean so fun that Julio Torres still
Speaker 2: sends us Desperate Housewives memes and like Osteria Lane, content
Speaker 2: like this is this has lasting impact. This has shaped
Speaker 2: a lot of our sensibilities.
Speaker 1: Say, I'm trying to think, like, what was my favorite
Speaker 1: ever plot on By the way, it's so funny that
Speaker 1: we were talking about the film of the year Wicked,
Speaker 1: we went off for two seconds about the time jump
Speaker 1: and Desperate Housewives because it also had one, And now
Speaker 1: here we are. This is why Lost Coach is breaking
Speaker 1: ground in podcasts because no one is this fucking dumb
Speaker 1: and gay. No one. I'll fight, I'll throw hands against
Speaker 1: anyone that thinks they're this dumb and gay. You're not
Speaker 1: talking about Gabby in sweats.
Speaker 2: Unless your name is Aaron Shock and you're stumping for
Speaker 2: Trump at his rallies as a team. Actually it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're kidding.
Speaker 1: Well, actually I get. I mean, sure, what is he
Speaker 1: It's not like he found community, it's not like he
Speaker 1: has anything to betray. It's like he is a fucking
Speaker 1: piece of shit.
Speaker 2: I was gonna give him gupher like being closeted the
Speaker 2: way he was, but I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 2: want to make anybody feel about being in the closet.
Speaker 1: I mean listen, no, no, no, no, no want has to feel
Speaker 1: bad about being in the closet. Everyone's situation is different.
Speaker 1: He was enacting harmful, noxious, explicitly anti gay and while
Speaker 1: being in the closet, while being in the closet, so
Speaker 1: he should feel like absolute horseshit about that forever. And no,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have community in this arena, like my god.
Speaker 2: Not us going from despert and that's why lost coach,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be standing up.
Speaker 1: They're next to Esther Perrell saying yes, period, I hit
Speaker 1: it off with this woman and we both are holding trophies.
Speaker 2: Where should we begin the ri iconography?
Speaker 1: Of course, that's it. Honestly, watch when the Pot Law
Speaker 1: Schooljeres's podcast becomes with Eva Longoria and Estair Parrel.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Estair is the you and Eva is the me,
Speaker 1: and it works.
Speaker 2: It totally works because they.
Speaker 1: Could talk about Aaron Shock and Desperate Housewives in the
Speaker 1: same breath. And I'm sure Wicked asolutely. I'm sure wicked.
Speaker 2: Wicked is Universal Studios and thank them.
Speaker 1: We love them at Universal Studios. By the way, Epic Universe,
Speaker 1: it's coming, bitch, May.
Speaker 2: What's what's the date?
Speaker 1: May twenty second? We have a date, and I want
Speaker 1: you to look at my wrist. Look at that number
Speaker 1: twenty two.
Speaker 2: It feels like one of those nights twenty two.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I saw a bunch of concerts recently. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's go and tell us. I don't think we've been
Speaker 1: on since I saw the Sweat tour, which you were
Speaker 1: supposed to come to now, and that was devastating because
Speaker 1: it was the week you guys were starting up right. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you had to get your JD Evans together.
Speaker 2: No, it was not jad Evans, it was just the
Speaker 2: MSG show for Sweat was on a Monday. It was
Speaker 2: the first day back.
Speaker 1: At work, so you got it.
Speaker 2: You have to situate and that was a pack day
Speaker 2: like we had, Will and Harper on the pod in
Speaker 2: the morning, and then I had to go into the
Speaker 2: office and like, it's just a it's just a lot
Speaker 2: coming out. You're catching up with people, you're strategizing for
Speaker 2: the next for shows, and it was an intense run
Speaker 2: of four shows, and I just got overwhelmed and worked up,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, let me get
Speaker 2: my ticket to someone else. And I don't have regrets,
Speaker 2: although I do. I mean, my regret is that I
Speaker 2: did not see the Sweat Tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing is. It's like I wish you
Speaker 1: would seen it because it was unbelievable. But I said,
Speaker 1: I said to you the next day, there was no
Speaker 1: way you would have been okay the rest of the
Speaker 1: week because it was a party party. And then we
Speaker 1: actually we it was so fun.
Speaker 2: Of course, we.
Speaker 1: Went out afterwards and went hard and I ended up
Speaker 1: like at someone else else's apartment, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like doing the Walk of Shame. Sweat Tour got me
Speaker 1: to do the Walk of Shame. I'm thirty four, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It doesn't happen as much as
Speaker 1: it used to, like kind of just.
Speaker 2: Kind of more chic though the older you get to.
Speaker 1: At Barrakuda, like cooking up with a guy at Barracuda,
Speaker 1: going home with a guy from Barrakuda, Like I'm twenty six.
Speaker 2: I love that I'm back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We're so back anyway. The Sweat Tour, first of all,
Speaker 1: just Charlie, you are an icon in the building. Ever,
Speaker 1: the fact bo that this actually is one of the
Speaker 1: proudest moments of me for the whole year of our podcast.
Speaker 1: The fact that we had her on like before Brat
Speaker 1: Summer and we were talking to her about that song
Speaker 1: Girl so Confusing, and we were going back and forth
Speaker 1: her about who it was about, and she went into
Speaker 1: detail for the first time about like how it really
Speaker 1: feels sometimes between the pop girls, and to then a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later have grow so con and come
Speaker 1: out to then being there at MSG when Lord came out.
Speaker 1: That felt like very much like a full circle moment,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is why, and hear me
Speaker 1: right now. It is not that hard. Brat is the
Speaker 1: album of the Year. Brat is the is the Grammy
Speaker 1: winner for Album of the Year, and we need to
Speaker 1: PUBLICI this. You need to get on this because that
Speaker 1: show solidified her as a true icon, like she already was,
Speaker 1: but like I mean in the real sense of the word,
Speaker 1: like this girl is a superstar and let me just say,
Speaker 1: Troy fucking eight really pour it up, just so proud
Speaker 1: to see his gay self being this Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: level shread like the choreo is together. Their music in
Speaker 1: conversation with each other was so great because you were
Speaker 1: up with Charlie and then like vibing with Troy in
Speaker 1: a way that was like a perfect ride. When they
Speaker 1: came out together, they were electric. They were so happy.
Speaker 1: Fucking Addison Ray came out saying die Pepsi and we
Speaker 1: went completely insane, like look, just crazy stuff, great visuals
Speaker 1: ten ten of course, and they just wrapped it up too.
Speaker 1: So congratuate fucking lations to both of them and everyone
Speaker 1: involved in a Sweat tour. You ate.
Speaker 2: The thing that has been true about Charlie all along since,
Speaker 2: like Number one Angel especially, is that like it's always
Speaker 2: been about the people she brings into it. That's why
Speaker 2: like her talking about girls are confusing and being like
Speaker 2: it's weird, Like it's weird with the pop girls. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's tense, like there's subtextual things and like signals and
Speaker 2: all these things but Charlie has never had an issue
Speaker 2: bringing in the girls like she had like ray on
Speaker 2: Number one Angels, like years before she blew up, she
Speaker 2: had like she had Kim Petres on the track she
Speaker 2: had like she's always cleving, She's always clep and then
Speaker 2: really well and it culminates to the remix album for Bratt,
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh my god, these are such incredible
Speaker 2: reinventions of these already I'm iconic songs like I was.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I like didn't pay attention to
Speaker 2: this so I remix with ag cook Love but a
Speaker 2: totally like new flip side take on the original so I,
Speaker 2: which is like sad and pondering and mournful and it
Speaker 2: grieves Sophie, but like this one is just like like
Speaker 2: she literally says like I want to think about the
Speaker 2: good stuff, and it's all these wonderful, beautiful memories that
Speaker 2: she has with Sophie that are like celebrator and you
Speaker 2: could like fucking dance to it in the club, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, this album is so special, like it is
Speaker 2: a generation era defining album of this very strange time
Speaker 2: that we're in. But like, thank God for this because
Speaker 2: this was the thing that like buoied Us I think spiritually,
Speaker 2: like you know, even with like all of the corners
Speaker 2: and sectors that it's hit in the culture, it's very
Speaker 2: easy for people to roll their eyes and be like,
Speaker 2: oh my God, like brat's everywhere? Like when was when?
Speaker 2: Like this just keeps going and going and going. But
Speaker 2: like it keeps going because it is successfully like sustaining
Speaker 2: this zeitgeist that it's in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's continually interesting and developing. That's another element
Speaker 1: of it is it's like it feels like there's always
Speaker 1: something more to unfold, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like she absolutely I will say I think that Sympathy
Speaker 2: is a I featuring Ariana is the highlight for me.
Speaker 2: And I think the way that it goes into the
Speaker 2: new I might say something stupid with the nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 2: which is again a total departure.
Speaker 1: Yes, like it's just it's not this doesn't just happen.
Speaker 1: It impacted fashion, politics, the conversation at large, of course music.
Speaker 1: Now you see her breaking into film. It's beyond just
Speaker 1: this album. It's a Charlie thing too, And I think
Speaker 1: that you have to it's just you can't actually talk
Speaker 1: about And that's crazy too, because in a year when
Speaker 1: so many people put out incredible work, you can't talk
Speaker 1: about any album on this level like you can talk
Speaker 1: about Chapelone and Sabrina Carpenter as artists one hundred thousand percent.
Speaker 1: And I think give Song of the Year to Birds
Speaker 1: of a Feather, give Record of the Year to Espresso obviously,
Speaker 1: and best New Artist is chapel Roone, then we can
Speaker 1: really represent what happened this year. But Bratt was the
Speaker 1: album of the.
Speaker 2: Year, and there's more to come from Charlie. I can
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 1: What can you say that?
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: You detonate bombs in the culture, you detonate bombs.
Speaker 2: She is, She's appearing, That's what I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: Bowen, are you allowed to do this?
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, all you said was she's appearing. You didn't
Speaker 2: say where she's appearing. I didn't say where.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, gag Okay, so unbelievable. And talk about
Speaker 1: collabs like fucking Charlie and Troy doing that together. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was a moment. I just I will never forget it.
Speaker 1: I saw the Hit Me Hard and Soft tour at
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. Billy she's it's she is.
Speaker 2: It a true original. I mean all of the girls
Speaker 2: like everyone's original, but like she is, she's form breaking.
Speaker 2: She should be up there on stage with you and
Speaker 2: a Stare Parrell.
Speaker 1: I would love nothing more than to share a stage
Speaker 1: one day with a Stare and Billie Eilish. I don't
Speaker 1: know what we'll do, but I would love to collaborate
Speaker 1: with these ladies. I would love to collaborate with these ladies.
Speaker 2: I think you guys should do a cooking demo on
Speaker 2: a top show.
Speaker 1: I think that would go so well.
Speaker 2: Bo that's the stage you belong.
Speaker 1: I think that that would be really good. What I
Speaker 1: want to say about like Billy's show is a couple
Speaker 1: of things you don't realize how dexterous and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: emotionally intelligent her voices is like the only way I
Speaker 1: can describe it.
Speaker 2: It's she is.
Speaker 1: Such a storyteller and the music is so intimate, and
Speaker 1: the sounds are also so big that for her to
Speaker 1: translate is I mean, it's exceptional, and that audience was
Speaker 1: going completely insane for her. The choice, I'll say, the
Speaker 1: layout of the stage so that she can pretty much
Speaker 1: always be two things A close to her fans and
Speaker 1: be able to fucking run around because.
Speaker 2: There is something she loves to run.
Speaker 1: Yes, there is something that is like inherently youthful about her,
Speaker 1: like energy and the fact that she can just be
Speaker 1: standing there singing and then in the next breath running
Speaker 1: and it feels like it makes sense to her why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like giving her a stage where she can do that
Speaker 1: is genius and it's her genius. And her music is
Speaker 1: absolutely unbelievable in that environment, and whether it's a song
Speaker 1: that's small or big, because of what it's meaning to
Speaker 1: the people there.
Speaker 2: It's so incredible to hear you say this about an
Speaker 2: artist who I think her trademark has been incredibly I'll say,
Speaker 2: like internal music, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 2: the reason why she is incredibly original that she's kind
Speaker 2: of like reinvented a lot of vocal styles in the
Speaker 2: last several years, it's because it's like it's incredibly inverted.
Speaker 2: It's like it's not like outwardly projected vocals necessarily, you know,
Speaker 2: Like even when she quote unquote belt, it's like incredibly controlled.
Speaker 2: And even when she like wrote like what was I
Speaker 2: made for? She's like, oh, like this demands something completely
Speaker 2: different from like like she she's incredibly aware of like
Speaker 2: how she uses her instrument and for it to be
Speaker 2: so successful and so realized in a stadium like that
Speaker 2: is so cool.
Speaker 1: She's it feels crazy to say it about someone this young,
Speaker 1: but she is a living legend in that she will
Speaker 1: go on to do so many things. Because I just
Speaker 1: you know, when they were doing the rollout for hit
Speaker 1: Me Hard and Soft, Matt Whitaker was pointing this out actually,
Speaker 1: and I think it was purposeful on her team's part,
Speaker 1: because you saw her Unclebert talking about how she loved
Speaker 1: like Ella Fitzgerald, you know what I mean. You saw
Speaker 1: her doing more adult engaging with the audience in more
Speaker 1: adult ways, almost as to say, like, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of my sleeve musically artistically. I think we're gonna see
Speaker 1: many different Billie Eilishes over the next.
Speaker 2: Of course forty years. I'm making a lazy comparison here
Speaker 2: and just saying like, not the pedigree, but just sort
Speaker 2: of like the background and like the the literacy on
Speaker 2: music that she has is very like gag out of me, yes,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I will also say like I have to because
Speaker 1: it's my impulse. I have to what do you think
Speaker 1: of disease?
Speaker 2: I think it's a grower. I really love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear the whole project around.
Speaker 2: Me too, me too. And I think this is all
Speaker 2: the reason she has not given us the video the
Speaker 2: visuals yet is very intentional. I think it will communicate
Speaker 2: more about the scope of LG seven And I'm going
Speaker 2: to say something for my I don't think so. It's
Speaker 2: not about her or the music, obviously, it's about the discourse.
Speaker 1: My I don't think Zohnnie is also about the discourse.
Speaker 1: Interesting about Daga one of her daughters. Oh interesting.
Speaker 2: Wait, also quickly Addison Ray just to quickly mention Aquamarine
Speaker 2: love stunning, loved the video, tensing the video, Yes, I
Speaker 2: love it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of giving Brittany a little bit.
Speaker 2: A little like Blackout era Brittany. Yeah, exactly, that's what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, that's sort of like that era of Britain.
Speaker 2: She sings give me More in the song. She literally
Speaker 2: sings like the words give me More. I love a
Speaker 2: dirty Parisian music video. She's always given a little Brittany. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Beca says she's always given at We need to talk
Speaker 2: about Becca's producer, Beca's costume.
Speaker 1: Yes. The last thing I'll say is I saw Taylor's
Speaker 1: show in Miami Rain Show, Raine Show, Iconic Epic rain
Speaker 1: Show during reputation, when she was doing the transition from.
Speaker 2: Look what you maan me do and to look what
Speaker 2: you made Me do?
Speaker 1: Like she was really Taylor ta y La in that
Speaker 1: moment in the rain. She was having fun and it
Speaker 1: was It was a really fun show to be at.
Speaker 1: I will say this could be an I don't think so, Honey,
Speaker 1: hard Rock Stadium in Miami. You need to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get your guests in and out if you're
Speaker 1: gonna have events like that, better or worse than Met
Speaker 1: Life Oh Bowen, if you can imagine this, it was
Speaker 1: much worse No, because it wasn't being in gridlock. It
Speaker 1: was needing to travel miles before you could be picked
Speaker 1: up by an uber with no transportation to get you there.
Speaker 1: So we had to walk for like in the ring
Speaker 1: miles and then when you finally get to the uber pickup,
Speaker 1: it was gridlocke. It was crazy. I infrastructure wise, Florida,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of you, I really am.
Speaker 2: We hope everyone's doing okay O.
Speaker 1: That felt like a hard left. But like literally though,
Speaker 1: like I'm just like I don't get what happens when
Speaker 1: what if there was an emergency, Yeah, I was saying.
Speaker 1: It was like I was like this is not built
Speaker 1: correctly or like like something's wrong. But anyway, those were
Speaker 1: my concerts.
Speaker 2: If you pivoted to architecture, I would say, sleigh.
Speaker 1: See, And here's the thing is, like I have no
Speaker 1: idea how to fix the whatever problem it is they
Speaker 1: think they have.
Speaker 2: But the people who work there and get paid for
Speaker 2: it for that, no, and they're not doing anything about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you were at
Speaker 1: those hard rock shows or you know someone that was
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, Like it was like news.
Speaker 2: It was so it was news.
Speaker 1: Also, Oh, Gracie Abrams opened up for Taylor and eras
Speaker 1: crushed and can I say the most beautiful person.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Like, uh, I think it was. Anne Hathway
Speaker 1: recently was asked like, who should be on the cover
Speaker 1: of Vogue and she said Gracy Abrams. I said, yep,
Speaker 1: that is a face for the cover of Vogue.
Speaker 2: Hair body face for you. In the words of Ali.
Speaker 1: All Tea, really all.
Speaker 2: Tea body, tea face, tea.
Speaker 1: Voice, tea songs, tea lyrics, T.
Speaker 2: Can I say something stupid? What I might say something stupid?
Speaker 1: I might say something stupid.
Speaker 2: Dental ty, She's got a chic set of teeth. That's
Speaker 2: all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, if if they could tell me
Speaker 1: you can take the substance and look like Gracie, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, it's worth it to turn into monstro Alyssa
Speaker 1: Sue for the days I could look like Gracie Abrams.
Speaker 2: Oh if I could write I love you I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I would take the substance and become monster. Lisa Sue.
Speaker 1: I listened to it five times a day. If you
Speaker 1: told me that if I listened to it again, I'd
Speaker 1: become monster. Alicia Sue, I would have to listen to
Speaker 1: it again. I'd be like, Oh, I'm s.
Speaker 2: Thank god there's a new album about being obsessed with
Speaker 2: someone before you even fucking meet them. That's what I need.
Speaker 2: And wait that it worked out and then Crazy Girl.
Speaker 2: It worked out. Sure did good for both of them.
Speaker 2: I say, Paul's been looking really good to In the
Speaker 2: lead up to he was wearing this cardigan the other
Speaker 2: night on a British late night show. And isn't it
Speaker 2: something every time he like is addressed as a certain way,
Speaker 2: it becomes a story thing.
Speaker 1: So many people doing that Halloween costume of him, like
Speaker 1: standing outside with the groceries after he was at the
Speaker 1: gym in the little hat.
Speaker 2: And it's he is a back of sweet cream. So
Speaker 2: a lot of these gay guys out here taking paperback
Speaker 2: to sweet creat Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, I have to tell you the culture that made
Speaker 1: me say culture was for me? Now I have to
Speaker 1: redefine my answer. It's Amelia de Moldenberg. I have become
Speaker 1: my with Chicken Chop Date and the Chicken Chop Date
Speaker 1: with her and Andrew Garfield. I say, it's my Roman empire.
Speaker 2: It's your rooman empire, It's my Roman Empire.
Speaker 1: I I love watching love and that's what it is.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's that is. Can I say
Speaker 2: like flea bag level just in terms of two people
Speaker 2: having chemistry and you're witnessing like something going on, You're like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: what is this? Well?
Speaker 1: Did you see someone compared it to fleabag on TikTok? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Someone goes it's like that when he's telling her like
Speaker 1: that he sees like the strings being pulled in her mind,
Speaker 1: like he knows like her approach, and she says, stop,
Speaker 1: I knew you would do this. I knew you would
Speaker 1: do this. And he's like, what that someone sees you
Speaker 1: and says and calls it out. Someone on TikTok was like,
Speaker 1: this is like the moment in Fleabag when he calls
Speaker 1: her out for talking to the audience, like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: thing is. She doesn't think other people will notice, and
Speaker 1: he's like noticing it or calling it out. It's like
Speaker 1: it's not doing that moment of like someone seeing you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm saying it out loud, like it's truly.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: It's lesson in chemistry with Brie Larson.
Speaker 2: Amelia We love you, Amelia Reader.
Speaker 1: Can I say something? I immediately got on the DMS
Speaker 1: well I was like, Hi, I'm a massive fan, Like
Speaker 1: play me already talking like a massive fan, like massive.
Speaker 1: We connected and Amelia, you know you have a seat here, open.
Speaker 2: Invite anytime you want to come on. She she's a
Speaker 2: great vibe. She came to an SNL a few shows ago,
Speaker 2: really and we got to we got to hang after
Speaker 2: the at the after party. She is so so fucking cool.
Speaker 1: I also want to say about her unreal fashion sense,
Speaker 1: like she looks good every time, like ten, like you
Speaker 1: see her at any events. She's dressed, perfect.
Speaker 2: Hair, body, face, tea for sure. I mean the hair
Speaker 2: is always perfect. The makeup of the face, I mean,
Speaker 2: her nose, her eyes, just just that perfect face. I
Speaker 2: love Amelia. Sorry, oh my god.
Speaker 1: To say nothing of like how fucking hot he is,
Speaker 1: and that being an element of the fact that, like
Speaker 1: the date between the chicken chop date between them, you're
Speaker 1: just like watching two adorable people be adorable. It's like
Speaker 1: watching puppies. It's like it's like serotonin, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like they should bring that video into like
Speaker 1: places where people need some joy. Bring it into the
Speaker 1: retirement home, bring.
Speaker 2: It into the rehabilitations that ever Finchy checked in.
Speaker 1: My Make a Wish. One day, I just want Amelia
Speaker 1: and Andrew to talk to each other in front of me,
Speaker 1: just like, come come to where I am and let
Speaker 1: me curl up in a ball, and I just want
Speaker 1: to watch them talk. Please, guys, please.
Speaker 2: You might have to pull a Finchy and lie about something.
Speaker 1: I would I would pull a finchy oh god, what if?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 1: Bowen? The twist of this podcast was everyone realized that
Speaker 1: like one of us was lying and or like you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're not gay? Well can I've been saying about
Speaker 1: you for a long time.
Speaker 2: That's a theory document I've written about this. This is
Speaker 2: not that uncommon, like don't you know, like friends, like
Speaker 2: there is like a gay urban legend in our generation
Speaker 2: now where it's like, oh my god, there's this one
Speaker 2: guy who was married to this doctor and then the
Speaker 2: doctor would get up and go to work and then
Speaker 2: like after years of being married, the person finds out
Speaker 2: that they never were a doctor. They would just drive
Speaker 2: and go to a parking lot and sit there for
Speaker 2: eight hours and then drive back home. Like the shit
Speaker 2: like the personality disorders are out are are out there,
Speaker 2: and they always So what you're saying is there's a chance.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is there's a chance, like we
Speaker 1: could still get that from this podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's finches everywhere, and you never know when
Speaker 2: the Finchy bomb is gonna blow up.
Speaker 1: The Finchy bomb, Like, honestly, you know what's crazy though,
Speaker 1: it's like am I gonna go here? Yes? Or why not. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you get to know people in the industry where
Speaker 1: sometimes people are just that weird, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you're like you could you could have been
Speaker 1: in the Gray's Anatomy writer's room, and like she's like
Speaker 1: an idiosyncratic, like weird person. But like a lot of
Speaker 1: people are, you know what I mean, everyone as coworkers
Speaker 1: that you're like, Okay, that person, what the fuck? Like
Speaker 1: wigs me out a little bit. You just never think
Speaker 1: they're going to be pathological, a harbinger of doom.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, total harber too.
Speaker 1: Did I use that correctly? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I just I.
Speaker 1: Just yay, yay.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about producer Becka's costume.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, which will actually dovetail nicely into my
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Okay. Producer Beca's costume was
Speaker 1: one of the best ones I saw on all of
Speaker 1: the Internet, which we all get on to see people's costumes.
Speaker 1: So this was a place where you could see them
Speaker 1: all and becha stood out. She was love ball Chapel.
Speaker 2: Roon Statute of Liberty in the Statue.
Speaker 1: Of Liberty in the Green with the blunt everything, and
Speaker 1: it was production value.
Speaker 2: It was accuracy. It was energy match. Get on, get on,
Speaker 2: you have to give a speech and give remarks.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how did you feel in the costume?
Speaker 1: When did you decide to do it? How did it
Speaker 1: come together? And more so, about a week or so ago.
Speaker 3: I decided to do it because I had been Hollween's
Speaker 3: are my favorite holidays. I just love to glance progress
Speaker 3: this and my boyfriend and I were trying to decide
Speaker 3: what we were gonna do with our dogs and decided
Speaker 3: to make one of them Midwest Princess.
Speaker 1: Chapel, and I love that album.
Speaker 3: And so then I was like, okay, we love Ball Chapel,
Speaker 3: and my boyfriend was boiler Room Charlie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 3: Chica went viral. Obviously she was brat.
Speaker 2: Oh felt more like.
Speaker 3: A celebrity handler in my life, Like people were just
Speaker 3: stopping us taking picture.
Speaker 1: Of Chica because you looked like her.
Speaker 3: Well that was for earlier. We did the Fort Green
Speaker 3: Dog pumpkin contest.
Speaker 2: And so I need to go to one of the
Speaker 2: literal brat. Oh my god, And so she's crowd favorite
Speaker 2: him winn.
Speaker 1: Who the fuck one?
Speaker 2: Baby bell cheese.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's pretty good. It was it was.
Speaker 3: It was really cute because there was a whole reveal
Speaker 3: they like took off the wrapping.
Speaker 1: It was I'm pretty good with baby bell Cheese winning
Speaker 1: the award, but it.
Speaker 3: Was definitely crowd favorite vibes because we couldn't get out
Speaker 3: of there, like people were like, you were mobs. We
Speaker 3: ended up on New York Nico.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the wind, New York. That was the wind.
Speaker 1: But oh my boyfriend brought it over.
Speaker 2: The per Oh my god.
Speaker 3: But then the Chapol costume, I was like, okay, I
Speaker 3: was at abercanaber if you know, you know in New York.
Speaker 3: I bought the same little statue Liberty fire thing, and
Speaker 3: of course, but then I like hunted all over yes.
Speaker 2: Roll.
Speaker 3: But then I hunted around Times Square after a recording
Speaker 3: in the city and was like, okay, I bought like
Speaker 3: the classic New York crown. And then I was like
Speaker 3: zooming on Chapel's charms. I was like, oh, she literally
Speaker 3: just like bought a bunch of New York charms and
Speaker 3: put them on a necklace.
Speaker 2: So I did.
Speaker 3: I bought the exact ones, put them, built them, put
Speaker 3: them on the necklace, and then I watched probably a
Speaker 3: billion YouTube videos on how to do drag makeup.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do make up really well. I did incredible,
Speaker 2: But on brown skin.
Speaker 3: You know you're like, okay, it's yeah, it's like and
Speaker 3: you also have to think color theory. Okay, green isn't
Speaker 3: gonna look green on me the same way it looks
Speaker 3: on chapel. So I'm mixing the whites, the blues, the greens.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: I do it.
Speaker 3: And my friend has this yearly costume contest Halloween party.
Speaker 3: She's like a curator like event planner, and so it's
Speaker 3: always gorgeous, always fun. So I was like, I'm coming
Speaker 3: to win.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm coming to win.
Speaker 1: I want it was a purfect Wow, you did what
Speaker 1: she could never do. That's true and her mother, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was much.
Speaker 3: I wish I had more places to be to be
Speaker 3: out longer with the makeup on, because it did take
Speaker 3: me like four hours ado right, But and the outfit.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to nail the out but I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't have time. I don't have time to make it.
Speaker 3: I spent too much time making.
Speaker 1: I thought it was there.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely.
Speaker 3: I was like, if I get the makeup right, people
Speaker 3: aren't gonna give a.
Speaker 2: Fuck that I don't have that skirt.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's doing all the work.
Speaker 3: It was costing a lot at this point, I was
Speaker 3: like adding it up and I was like, I can't
Speaker 3: buy fabric for this.
Speaker 1: Are you comfortable saying your handle? Yes, it's the bes
Speaker 1: P E. C. C. S. Ramos R A M O.
Speaker 1: S follow producer Becca to see her chapel, wrong costume
Speaker 1: and more.
Speaker 3: And more, and teaches Brat costume, just Brack costume.
Speaker 2: New York Nico featured Brat costume. Becca has already cast
Speaker 2: aside her prior sort of a calling card, which was
Speaker 2: saying the dings and the dongs of the iconic four hundred.
Speaker 2: It was only a matter of time before you transcended that.
Speaker 2: And look, it's costume winning, Becca Ramos. Everyone's winning awards.
Speaker 2: Everyone's winning awards.
Speaker 1: Everyone's really winning awards. This bodes really well for the
Speaker 1: future too, because once you start winning, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: don't stop.
Speaker 3: We haven't stopped, as the show has proved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right, thanks, Becca, We love you
Speaker 2: all right. Well, I think it's type I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Is a segment that we
Speaker 1: do on this podcast where it's one minute ranting and
Speaker 1: railing and rocking and rolling against something in culture that's
Speaker 1: been our gears. And I've got something to say about
Speaker 1: the discourse. I don't have anything really prepared. I just
Speaker 1: have emotions.
Speaker 2: Okay, sometimes that's more than enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it will be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Matt Rogers is emotion forward. I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. As time starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. If you have anything negative to
Speaker 1: say about Chapel going up to that paparazzi and saying
Speaker 1: that he was disrespectful to her, she walked up to him,
Speaker 1: she said, you were disrespectful to me. She said, you
Speaker 1: owe me an apology, and he, I guess didn't give
Speaker 1: her one. She went back to her spot and post.
Speaker 1: If you think she was being a brat, just fuck off.
Speaker 1: She's allowed to do whatever she wants. Also, it's iconic
Speaker 1: that she did that.
Speaker 2: I'm iconic.
Speaker 1: Don't you want your pop stars to be a little messy.
Speaker 1: Don't you want them to be confrontational? Don't you want
Speaker 1: them to be dynamic and compelling? The way that Chapel
Speaker 1: roan is why are you shouting at Chapel roan to
Speaker 1: be like everyone else? I don't think so, honey, shut up,
Speaker 1: stop mi in Chapel. You don't own Chapel. Chapel is
Speaker 1: a participant in democracy, Bitch. She is out here saying
Speaker 1: her opinion, giving everything by what she can in her
Speaker 1: industry and feeding the economy. Bitch. Leave Chapel alone, and
Speaker 1: that guy does how her an apology? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: fucking shut up about chapelone.
Speaker 2: That's one minute. Imagine a world in which you had
Speaker 2: this self respect that this person does, and if you
Speaker 2: were confronted with if you saw someone who you felt
Speaker 2: wronged you deeply, what would it feel like to have
Speaker 2: that courage to walk up to them and be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I really didn't like when this thing happened. You owe
Speaker 2: me an apology. That would be incredible. Think of all
Speaker 2: the other possibilities that would open up in your life.
Speaker 1: People can't stand that she sticks up for herself and
Speaker 1: won't apologize for it. People can't stand it. And I
Speaker 1: get that not everyone likes her. Guess what, that's good.
Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't be just like giving a whole but
Speaker 1: a Smorgasborg off like vanilla annoying, whatever's that? Like all
Speaker 1: robotically say the same shit, like I'm happy that there's
Speaker 1: someone super compelling and outspoken and talented as fuck out there,
Speaker 1: Like stop thinking of her as an influencer. Start thinking
Speaker 1: of her as a human being, Like, stop thinking about
Speaker 1: her as something that's just to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: directed from She's someone to be listened to, but you don't.
Speaker 1: It's not like she's like wields ultimate power. Leave her alone.
Speaker 2: It's that. And also she is not customer service.
Speaker 1: No, she's not customer service.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I felt like we were kind
Speaker 2: of just coming out of this era of like everybody
Speaker 2: policing each other's morals.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's worse than it.
Speaker 2: It never works. Never if you chastise someone like that
Speaker 2: in that way on that scale, it never ever ever
Speaker 2: yields the outcome that you that you would want in
Speaker 2: that sort of scenario, like leave the fuck alone.
Speaker 1: I just hate watching all this energy go towards that
Speaker 1: when we have such a crazy fucking villain out there
Speaker 1: in the world right now, And I get that the
Speaker 1: reason people are upset with her is because they feel
Speaker 1: like it's some deterrent towards like, you know, stopping.
Speaker 2: Trump, civic disengagement or something exactly.
Speaker 1: And my thing is just like if we can have both,
Speaker 1: then all we're gonna have our directives from someone that
Speaker 1: tell us what to do and when to do it.
Speaker 1: And that's also really bad. I just hate watching us
Speaker 1: fall apart like this because we're not seeing like the
Speaker 1: forest for the trees a little bit, like all of
Speaker 1: this can be true, Like she can be an imperfect,
Speaker 1: incredibly talented artist who yes, sure has influence, but is
Speaker 1: not like, didn't ask for that. You're the one demanding
Speaker 1: authenticity of her. She gives you that, and then you're
Speaker 1: upset and make it about a million other things. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's it's it's really frustrating
Speaker 1: to watch us just fall apart online because there's it's
Speaker 1: we really, we really are looking right in the face
Speaker 1: of dictatorship. We're looking at right in its face. This
Speaker 1: is not perfect, what I'm saying, but like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just I don't it's holistically frustrating.
Speaker 2: I don't quite know what to say either.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I hope everyone votes. I hope everyone does the.
Speaker 2: Right thing period. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's all.
Speaker 2: That's all bowing. Do you have any things one I have.
Speaker 2: I have one that's much less urgent, but is grinding
Speaker 2: my gears a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't need to be urgent. It's just
Speaker 1: like I just I feel like that the energy like
Speaker 1: projected at her for this red carpet thing is like
Speaker 1: about other things. Yeah, And I'm like, just okay, So
Speaker 1: you don't like her like then then this, then don't
Speaker 1: listen to her music whatever. She's not like, she's not begging.
Speaker 2: To be faced, So everybody just get off the internet
Speaker 2: a little bit more, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: One hundreds see do you see this?
Speaker 2: For some reason, the this kind of went around like
Speaker 2: it was an interview with Stevie Nicks or something where
Speaker 2: like she talks about how at some award show like
Speaker 2: Katy Perry like showed her what Twitter was and how
Speaker 2: like stan Twitter was kind of works ye wild and
Speaker 2: how it works, and Stevie was like, I don't have
Speaker 2: the Internet on my phone. And then Katie knows, well,
Speaker 2: like who are your rivals? Who are your rivals? And
Speaker 2: then Stevie goes, I don't have rivals I have friends.
Speaker 1: Katie Perry took another one.
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point, it's like it works retroactively
Speaker 2: to your like this woman, did she ever get it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she did for a moment.
Speaker 1: It's certainly in question now in a way that it
Speaker 1: never was. But like it was just wild to watch
Speaker 1: Katie get another wall up from Stevie Nicks. Then the
Speaker 1: year's coming to an end and she got walled by
Speaker 1: Stevie Nicks, Like, hey, a Halloween October surprise.
Speaker 2: Oh bitch, why are you showing Stevie Nicks Twitter? Don't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Don't ask Stevie Nick, who are your rivals?
Speaker 2: Shut up?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Oh sure I can, I say, I'm gonna tell that story.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: So I show up to Thursday. I was given the
Speaker 2: honor of being in the proms with Ari and Stevie.
Speaker 2: I show up on Thursday and I have to walk
Speaker 2: over to the wardrobe department as Stevie is getting off
Speaker 2: stage from her soundcheck, and I kind of like her.
Speaker 2: Coterie was kind of like working the way through, and
Speaker 2: then I like peeled, I like kind of hid behind
Speaker 2: a doorway to like make way for her. And then
Speaker 2: I hear a voice where she goes, you don't have
Speaker 2: to hide from me, Bowin, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. And then she like comes up to me
Speaker 2: and she has these insanely surreal things to say to me.
Speaker 2: But then the thing that stuck out to me was
Speaker 2: just because you're asking who her enemies are, who her
Speaker 2: rivals are, she goes, when you did that thing with
Speaker 2: those spotted lantern flies. I thought that was the funniest
Speaker 2: thing because I hate them. And then she she talked
Speaker 2: about how she her life is just stomping out those
Speaker 2: lantern flies. They are very vicious, vicious, and they're jumping
Speaker 2: and they're their their reflexes are getting better. Unfortunately, see,
Speaker 2: this is not what we need. Stevie Nick's rivals are cocaine, Lindsay,
Speaker 2: Bucky Later.
Speaker 1: Yep. Is that a real culture? Yes?
Speaker 2: But Trumber seventy four. Stevie Nick's rivals are cocaine and
Speaker 2: lantern flies. Okay, I haven't I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This is bowing Yang's I don't think so, honey. And
Speaker 1: if you believe it, his time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Lady Gaga's return to pop
Speaker 2: quote unquote, this is Chromatica erasure? What does that make Chromatica.
Speaker 2: Chromatica is one of the best pop albums of the
Speaker 2: last decade. I don't understand. I don't think it's necessarily
Speaker 2: Gaga's camp. I think Gogan interviews is mentioned like this
Speaker 2: return to pop music, but it's like she wasn't away
Speaker 2: from it that long. Maybe Harlequin counts as like a detour,
Speaker 2: but we're even talking about it to six point five.
Speaker 2: It's like, we need to make sure that we consider
Speaker 2: Gaga a pop artist and that she is one of
Speaker 2: our best chameleons. But let's not erase Chromatica. Chromatica is
Speaker 2: top to bottom spectacular. I'm getting really emotional because that
Speaker 2: is a very important album to us, especially coming in
Speaker 2: going through the pandemic. I don't like this thing of like, oh,
Speaker 2: like this is a return to form, to like Born
Speaker 2: this Way, Born this Way is an amazing album. Our
Speaker 2: Pop is an amazing album. Jo Wanne is an amazing album,
Speaker 2: and Chromatica is a more recent amazing pop album. Don't
Speaker 2: erase Chromatica.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I have been confused as well.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Chromatica was your pop We just saw the
Speaker 1: chromatica ball tour like we just saw it. What do
Speaker 1: you mean she's returning to pop? Like we just saw
Speaker 1: her in a stadium. We're doing stupid love? Like, what
Speaker 1: did you think that was class? What did you think
Speaker 1: that was?
Speaker 2: What did you think that was?
Speaker 1: Was nine one one? Country music? Was it not? Pop? Dance?
Speaker 2: Was a thousand doves? Chinese?
Speaker 1: It was a Chinese or something? Was it Chinese music?
Speaker 2: You know Chinese music? Say Chinese?
Speaker 1: Is your favorite Chinese song? You know my favorite Chinese song?
Speaker 2: Teresa Tang?
Speaker 1: Teresa Tang? You do? Can you do your rendition of
Speaker 1: Teresa Tang's biggest.
Speaker 2: Hit, knee when well, I no, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: That was so good. Please keep going.
Speaker 2: Knee when well? Iodush? What iinyotingsin? You don't die? Your
Speaker 2: gorgeous song? Oh my god, it's called the Moon represents
Speaker 2: my heart. Everyone listened to it.
Speaker 1: The moon represents my heart. I felt that was true
Speaker 1: watching you perform in that.
Speaker 2: Moment you put me on the spot. That was that
Speaker 2: was vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Sometimes vulnerability opens the door to true greatness. And I
Speaker 1: think that what you just did is a great example
Speaker 1: of why Lost Culturistas is an award winning podcast and
Speaker 1: why we picked up the Signal Award for Innovation and Podcasts.
Speaker 1: And it's really why I'll be standing up on stage
Speaker 1: next to a stair parrel holding a trophy, waving and smiling.
Speaker 2: You and a stare did not share the same space
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Or if she refuses to speak to me, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's like, she looks at me. We meant, I'm like,
Speaker 1: highest there, it's so nice to meet you. What a
Speaker 1: great night. She looks at me and she goes, I
Speaker 1: don't like you at all.
Speaker 2: I don't like you at all, said drops the drops
Speaker 2: the Belgian French accent. I don't like you.
Speaker 1: I don't like you at all. You still see you
Speaker 1: out there doing your thing. I don't like you at all.
Speaker 2: I'm ashamed to be sharing this award with you. You
Speaker 2: know what, I think she would have a lot. I
Speaker 2: think if you guys really had a moment and got
Speaker 2: into it, I would listen to the fuck out of
Speaker 2: her talking about specific people with you. That's all, specific people,
Speaker 2: A specific person, a specific person. Anyway, the jump scares
Speaker 2: keep a coming. It was spooky Halloween town vibes when
Speaker 2: we were traveling recently.
Speaker 1: That's all, well, uh, Halloween town. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know what I almost did my I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey on and I thought you would have appreciated this,
Speaker 1: but I ultimately I didn't think I could speak to
Speaker 1: it enough for a minute. It's just something I don't like. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Halloween font. And you know what I'm talking about. Wow,
Speaker 1: that like spooky, scary, drippy font, like that Monstersey font.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like the Goosebumps logo.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Halloween font. Anyhow, I love the Halloween font.
Speaker 1: What It's so fun?
Speaker 2: It's different.
Speaker 1: You used to be so chic, girl. You have lost
Speaker 1: it all. I don't know what happened to you. You
Speaker 1: used to be so fucking chic and such a legend.
Speaker 1: You've fallen no longer. Now you're a Halloween font lover.
Speaker 2: I love Halloween.
Speaker 1: I'm with Becca, you know what.
Speaker 2: Halloween always stakes up on me in so many ways,
Speaker 2: but especially this year especially, I'm like, oh, I love
Speaker 2: this time of the year. And you know what, the
Speaker 2: only reason I haven't been able to get into Halloween
Speaker 2: as much in the last five years is because of work.
Speaker 2: And I am excited for a day soon and then
Speaker 2: near future in the next few years. One short day,
Speaker 2: I really stretch out my legs and limbs in October
Speaker 2: and I'll fall, really because I love fall travel, i
Speaker 2: love going to see the leaves change. I'm excited to
Speaker 2: have time.
Speaker 1: We just went to the most insane haunted house we've
Speaker 1: ever been to. We can't say where, but.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. Oh the production value wof that was legendary,
Speaker 2: legendary legends.
Speaker 1: Before we go and sing us out, please vote, please vote,
Speaker 1: please vote, Please vote for Kamala, Please vote for Kamala.
Speaker 2: In the words of voting rights activists Stacy Abrams, once
Speaker 2: i'd may disappoint. The other side intends to destroy, and
Speaker 2: it's hard to make it a nuanced thing. It's hard
Speaker 2: to make voting in this election nuanced in the way
Speaker 2: that we would like it to be when it is
Speaker 2: a literal binary. Unfortunately, I think that.
Speaker 1: We've shown that we can have these conversations, and that
Speaker 1: we will have these conversations and they'll go in all
Speaker 1: different kinds of ways. But ultimately, I just hope that
Speaker 1: we do everything that we can to protect each other.
Speaker 1: Let's just protect each other here, Let's just think about
Speaker 1: each other. We end every episode with the song and
Speaker 1: every episode of the songs.
Speaker 4: Burtile Affair we conscted there Hello, won't change the weather,
Speaker 4: won't change the weather, won't change the weather.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what I'm crying for.
Speaker 4: How don't No.
Speaker 1: By the way, the walls in my apartment building are
Speaker 1: so thin. I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2: Stop on the wrist.
Speaker 1: Finally, man touches me.
Speaker 2: Last. Culturesis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money
Speaker 2: Players in My Heart Radio podcasts.
Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yank. Executive
Speaker 1: produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sani.
Speaker 2: Produced by Beck Ramos, editing mixed by Doug Bamimnika Boord and.
Speaker 1: Our music is by Henry Kobersky. Hey everybody, it's me
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets are on sale now
Speaker 1: to see me on tour, the Prince of Christmas Tour,
Speaker 1: that is, I'm doing my whole album Have You Heard
Speaker 1: of Christmas? Plus a lot more with the whole band
Speaker 1: all throughout December. Go to www dot mattrogersofficial dot com.
Speaker 1: See me in a city near you