1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Body dines with Joseph Scott More my grandmother, whom I 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: loved dearly. You've heard me speak of her before. Her 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: name is Pearl. Born and raised in the Deep South, 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: and I mean deep South I'm talking about. She was 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: born into an era before electricity, before many people had cars, 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: even in a small town in North Louisiana. She had 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: always lived in the Deep South. And the thing you 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: know about the Deep South is that if it turns 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: off cool sooner or later, is going to get hot 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: and human again. As her years advanced, she had to 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: move out to Oregon, and she lived in Coos Bay, Oregon. 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that's where she passed away. 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: Now me, i'd never been out there, and I went 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: out to visit her, and I got to tell you, guys, 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: the first time I ever drove up the Oregon coast, 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: you have that moment where you see the scenery and 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: you view that huge Pacific Ocean, and the ocean, even 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: though you appreciate how big it is in California, you 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: get up to Oregon and you see it there with 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: those huge rocks that are just rising up out of 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: the ocean floor, and it's like you're in a different world, 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: and you suddenly realize truly how small you are, how 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: almost insignificant your life is. But you're there and the 24 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: environment is completely different than the Deep South. It is 25 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: could seemingly all the time in the middle of winter, 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of summer, forgive me, can can be 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: different than anything that we experience down here in the 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Deep South. And there's always a bit of a miss falling. 29 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: Well. 30 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Today, I want to talk about that beautiful landscape up there. 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: It's rugged, it's unforgiving. Ask anybody that's ever driven up 32 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: the Pacific Coast Highway when the road washes out on 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: those cliffs. I want to talk about a man that 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: actually led a community for a while and suddenly, even 35 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: a person that is in an elected office just vanishes 36 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: and no one, and I mean no one knows what 37 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: happened to him. That is until authorm lab stepped in 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: and the mystery has been solved after all of these years. 39 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags Dave. 40 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: We've probably had the conversation before. You've been to the 41 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Oregon Coast before. Have you seen it a family up there? Yeah, 42 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: I've never been. It's on the it's on the list 43 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: for this year, but no, I haven't been. It's a 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: place everybody should visit. 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: I think if I went, I would end up I 46 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: like taking every ann rule book that I own, and 47 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: I'd be tracing all the places up there. Because she 48 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: wrote all of her stuff rut of Seattle and all 49 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: around in Portland, and I mean from Oregon and Washington 50 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: State is like every guy that killed anybody she wrote about, 51 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: and so yeah, I mean I read those books and like, hey, 52 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: I remember there was a murder here. 53 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I know it's and it is. I 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: can see why she would want to set them there. 55 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: It is. 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: It's got I'm not saying that it's an evil thing, 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: but it's it's got that kind of mysterious nature to it. 58 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: There's a miss here. 59 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: Mark here though, Joe. In the South, we have the sun, 60 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: we have outdoors, we can go out have fun, and 61 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: you know up there, it's rainy, it's cold, and after 62 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: a while you just get mad at people. I think 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: it's like I think, you know, it's like Ted Bun 64 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: came from this area, and you know he started out 65 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, but as soon as he 66 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: gets out there. But yeah, at any rate, Now here's 67 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: the scoop on this one, Joe, I, whenever we're going 68 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: to do an Authorm episode, I know that they have 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: solved something that was unsolvable. Yeah. And I looked at 70 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: this story and I went, this doesn't fit. This story 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: does not fit. You mentioned this is a This is 72 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: the story of a man. I feel like Rod Serling 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: here was a man, not an ordinary man, but a man. 74 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: We don't even know how actually old he was because 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: his skeletal remains. Okay. November two thousand and six, skeletal 76 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: remains of an unidentified individual are found on the beach 77 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: at Tahola, an unincorporated village on the How do you 78 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: pronounce this? Is a Keno Indian reservation in Gray's Harbor County, Washington. 79 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: The Gray's Harbor Sheriff's office and the Gray's Harbor County 80 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: Corner's office. We're called you got skeletal remains. That means 81 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: I'm guessing, Joe, no skin, no hair, just skeleton. Is 82 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: that what that is? 83 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it is. Anytime, there's two ways to phrase this, okay, 84 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: So you can say skeletal remains or you will hear 85 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: people actually say skeletonized remains, which for me, when somebody 86 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: says skeletonized, that means that in their totality, they're not 87 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: completely absent of soft tissue. Okay, but when you say 88 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: skeletal remains, that means that there's really no soft tissue left. 89 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: Maybe the only thing that is still keeping the remains 90 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: together might be clothing. Perhaps you remember we covered remember 91 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: we covered the cases that I know we've done an 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: episode on it out of Washington State where they kept 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: having the feet washed up, and it was near the 94 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: Canadian border, and most of those feet that washed up, 95 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: they didn't just it wasn't just like a foot, It 96 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: was like a foot in a shoe, right, which is 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: super bizarre. Anyway, we're even though thousands of miles apart, 98 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: where we're still talking about the same coastline, and yet 99 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: it is rather divergent. You go up and down change. 100 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: But sometimes there are places in Washington State where if 101 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: you were to be dropped down there and you didn't 102 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: know where you were, it doesn't look too much, too 103 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: very dissimilar from the Oregon coast. You might not know 104 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: where you are, and there's a certain level of hostile 105 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: to it. It's not like going to Malibu, okay, or 106 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, if you're in Santa Monica, you know where 107 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: you've got a real broad beach and the sun will 108 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: come out and the water still freezing cold. But you know, 109 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, I wish they were all 110 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: California girls kind of kind of environment. You're not. I 111 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: know people do, and I know I'll get pushback on this, 112 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: but it's people do not commonly go there and lay 113 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: out and take in the sun. You know what I'm saying. 114 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: I guess you can. I'm sure that people do, particularly 115 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: the more resilient people that live up there. 116 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: It's funny how you say that, because when I was 117 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: thinking about the Ted Bundy cases in Washington State and 118 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: rule writing her books about that area Lake Samamish State Park, 119 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: one of Ted Bundy's days where he captured one of 120 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: his women happened to be on a day where it 121 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: was warm. It was in the upper eighties, and everybody 122 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: was at the park because those days are so rare. 123 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: They are, and that's why I like living where we live, 124 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: where we expect those days. Now, I want to get 125 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: back to the skeletal remains here because I'm fixturing Okay, 126 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: we've got skeletal remains November two thousand and six. Pay 127 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: attention to the month and the year, November two thousand 128 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: and six. Now what they're able to come up with, Joe, 129 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: We've got an adult male skeleton, about five foot nine, 130 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: and we're going to guess between one hundred and seventy 131 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: and one hundred and eighty pounds. You can tell this 132 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: by bones. Interesting, I want to get back to that. 133 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: But first, age, Now the likely age of this skeleton, Joe, 134 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: U huh, twenty to sixty the skeleton. The official age 135 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: of this skeleton between the ages of twenty and sixty, 136 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: but it could be older, meaning we could be looking 137 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: at a skeleton of the world's oldest man. We don't know. 138 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: We just know that he's older than twenty to infinity. 139 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: Now I would think, granted this is November of two 140 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: thousand and six, it's not like the Stone ages. We 141 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: had cell phones, we had computers, we had DNA, we 142 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: had plenty of things going on scientifically, and that's the 143 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: best we could come up with was five foot nine, 144 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy one hundred and eighty pounds and 145 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: between the ages of twenty and infinity. That's our skeleton. 146 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Ye solve the picture, you. 147 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, one of one of the things. Uh. And 148 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: and here's here's how skeletal aging is done. There's certain 149 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: things that you look for with skeletal remains. And let 150 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: me kind of run some of these down. First off, 151 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: if you're trying to age and yes, that's the term 152 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: that we use. If you're trying to age a skeleton, 153 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: one of the one of the one of the areas, 154 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: one of the first series you go to is uh 155 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: joint where and so all of us as we get older, 156 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: as all of us appreciate, you know, the creeks and 157 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: cracks that you have in the morning when you get 158 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: out of bed, You've got you've got kind of the 159 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: wearing down in the connective tissue. Uh, you know, kind 160 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: of if you look at the spine, for instance, you'll 161 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: have disc weare and you get this this presentation where 162 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: you have two bony structures that in the past may 163 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: have been cushioned and now as we've gotten older that 164 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: begins to wear down. You'll get this kind of rubbing 165 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: that goes on. You know, and I know people don't 166 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: want to think about this, but this is just the 167 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: reality of it. So that's one of the areas we 168 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: go to. We also look at at dental wear. And 169 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, if you will take 170 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: the tip of your tongue right now and run it 171 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: across the surface of your teeth, okay, I promise you 172 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: by virtue, particularly if you're older, you can tell what 173 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: side of your mouth you favor when you're chewing. Okay, 174 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: because one side, for instance, like your canines. For me, 175 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: I can and probably a good goodly portion a higher percentage, 176 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: tend to chew on the right side of your mouth. 177 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: So like, for instance, my upper and lower canines, which 178 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: are you know, some people will say those are my 179 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: wolf teeth, the pointy ones, single cusp. They're no longer sharp, okay. 180 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: But yet if I migrate over to the left side 181 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: with those canines, they still have the point on the 182 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: tip of them. Then you can go back to you 183 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: go back to say you're molars all right, and they 184 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: will be worn. Now, you have people that have premature 185 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: wear on their teeth, and a lot of that is 186 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: genetic predisposition. You know, people that have kind of fragile teeth. 187 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: Kimmy is always just hammering on me because this woman, 188 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: my wife, my precious wife. She is just very I'll 189 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: put it to you this way. I'm being kind. She's 190 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: very fastidious about her teeth, you know, flossing, rushing a 191 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: couple of times a day. And this woman has always 192 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: had to have dental repair done, crowns and feelings, all 193 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: the stuff. This is what makes her really dislike me, Dave. 194 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: My teeth are very crooked, but I have never in 195 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: my life had a cavity, and that just absolutely infuriates her. 196 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: So you can have people that are predisposed to certain dentalware. 197 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Now let me go down the list, and I think 198 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: that people will find this fascinating. Again. In the mouth, 199 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: if you go to the roof of your mouth, which 200 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: would be your heart palate, we have a skeletal remain. 201 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Say we have a skull. If you flip the skull 202 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: over and you look at the roof of the mouth. 203 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: People have heard of suture lines, right, do you have 204 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: the sutures in your skull where when we're being formed, 205 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: the plates of our skull literally come together, you know? 206 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: And everybody's heard of the fontenel. You've got a fontnail 207 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and antier. There is a post. Here's a couple of 208 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: font nails, and you have this fusion that takes place 209 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: as bones begin to ossify. Okay, well, did you know 210 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: that you also have have suture lines and the roof 211 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: of your mouth where these plates are coming together. There. 212 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: Most people can't appreciate this, and listen, don't believe me. 213 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: Look it up. Look at hard palette, hard palate suture 214 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: lines and you'll see what I'm talking about. There is 215 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: a feature that's referred to as palaton suturewar. I actually 216 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: did a paper on this. At one point in time, 217 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: I took a class at LSU Dental School. I audited 218 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: a class with a forensic odontologist. It was fascinating class 219 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: on bitite mark at that well, it was actually generalized 220 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: forensic identology. I was in there with a bunch of 221 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: dental students and loved this class. And I did a 222 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: paper on paloton suitrefusion and wear. So as we you 223 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: don't think about the wear and tear your mouth that 224 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: goes on in your mouth as you're just ingesting food. Well, 225 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: if you look at that, anthropologists, not me, Okay, I 226 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: bow to the anthropologists out there. Anthropologists can look at 227 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: this palaton suiture where and they can kind of guess, well, 228 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: this person's been at it for a while, you know 229 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, wear and tear. It's like a vehicle, 230 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: it's worn down. Then you get to the skull and 231 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: the same principle applies. Now, if folks at home will 232 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: actually just gently rub your fingers into your hairline, you 233 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: can actually move your scalp back and forth. Right. Okay, 234 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: you don't think about this a lot, but they're little 235 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: muscle attachments all through your scalp. Okay, the way we smile, 236 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: we frown, some of us can wiggle our ears, all 237 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Well, over a period of time, 238 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: there is actually where there's actually where on the surface 239 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: of the skull as well, those sutures, Like if you 240 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: have the skull of somebody, I'll just I'll pick a nut. Well, 241 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: they gave us the range right sixty, I mean twenty 242 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: to sixty or beyond. Yeah, so this is one of 243 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: the questions I have. So if you've got somebody that's 244 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: twenty years old, just the suture fusion lines on the scalp, 245 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: they're going to be on a twenty year old they're 246 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: going to be very pronounced. I mean, it's like you 247 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: can actually see it, and they look like little interlocking teeth, 248 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: and you can see the little margins of them. You 249 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: can see the little wave. Did you know that I've 250 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: had the skeletons of the elderly day where there's something 251 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: that goes on where it's called suture line obliteration, where 252 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: these skulls are so old in life and there's so 253 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: much life associated where where you don't you don't have 254 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: this manifestation. As a matter of fact, there are certain 255 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: places where the suture lines kind of follow along and 256 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: they're so worn down you can't even tell that there 257 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: was a suture there, all right. And I know what 258 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: you're thinking, Morgan, sutures are associated with doctor sewing things up. Yeah, 259 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I know that they are. But these in these bony 260 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: areas in the body, those are actually called suture lines, 261 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: and so that fusion begins to wear down over here. 262 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: You couple that with the wear on the joints, all 263 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: these sorts of things in your your you begin to 264 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: put this picture together and you're thinking, Okay, I'm pretty 265 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: sure this person is not twenty okay, because there's just 266 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: certain measurements the forensic anthropologist, in addition of that you can. 267 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: Actually there is a very complex mathematical formula that you 268 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: can put in place relative to let's just say the 269 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: dimensions of a of a femur okay, and you can 270 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: get a high ratio based upon the length of the 271 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: femur okay. Also, you can sometimes you can sex a 272 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: skeleton even with long bones. Because with the males, male 273 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: skeletons tend to be there's two classifications, and these are 274 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: very broad. Male skeletons tend to be very robust. They'll 275 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: say those are very robust skeleton remains. But with women, 276 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: many times they are termed as grassile, and grass isle 277 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: means fine, and I don't mean like, hey, Mayby, you're fine. 278 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: I mean like they are very kind of delicate. You 279 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: can really see it on the brow line on skulls, 280 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: like you know, with me, if you were to strip 281 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: all the tissue off of my skull and look at 282 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: my skull after it's been cleaned off, you can look 283 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: at my brow line and you know, you look at 284 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: it and people would say, you know, you might the 285 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: sound might come out of your body like uh, you 286 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: know like that, you know, I would look rather semion. 287 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you were to see that compared to say, 288 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: my daughter, who's very dainty, you see hers and hers 289 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: hers would be very grassile. So you've got all of 290 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: these things that kind of go into this wild formula 291 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: that forensic anthropologists are tasked with. That's why when this 292 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: age rage is presented, I often wonder, and I have 293 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: been wondering since this case was actually talked about by 294 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: our friends at author and I really began to wonder, 295 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: why would you set the parameters so wide and so 296 00:18:45,680 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: very non specific. The area where this skeleton is found, Dave, 297 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: is an area that's it's it's actually a bay. It's 298 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: kind of the the mouth of where I think I'm 299 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: pronouncing this right, the Tellamuk River kind of dumps into 300 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean. And in this area, by the way, 301 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: another wonderful thing about the Northwest as far as like, 302 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: if you're into hunting and wildlife and fishing, you hit 303 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: the jackpot because out there they've got the salmon runs 304 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: are just incredible. I mean, these these fish are massive, 305 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, and they're they're running you can you know. 306 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: I've actually stood on the edge. I think I was 307 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: at the Columbia River. By the way, If you've never 308 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: seen the Columbia River. Another thing that will make you 309 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: feel very small because it is a raging torrent. It 310 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: literally creates the border of Washington, the southern border of Washington, 311 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: northern border of Oregon. If you've ever wanted to experience something, 312 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: go there and stand at that river, and it is 313 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: absolutely raging. I mean just absolutely raging. Yeah, salmon runs 314 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: going through there, so impressive. And then the other thing 315 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: is people go clamming along the beach and in kind 316 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: of those muddy flats that they have. The other thing 317 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: that they do is crabbing, Dave, I have done crabbing. Well, yeah, 318 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: you're right. This is a different kind of crabbing though, because. 319 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: I've done the crab pots and I've done the crabs 320 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: on the beach. Yeah, we're talking about. 321 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: Here, the crab. I don't think that there are little 322 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: blue crabs that we have down here. These are like 323 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: dungeoness crabs. These things. If you've never seen a dungeoness crab. 324 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: It looks like dinosaur crabs. 325 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: They really do. As a matter of fact, one of 326 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time, and people dismiss it 327 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: all the time, but I love it because I'm a 328 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: romantic at heart. I love the movie Joe Versus a 329 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: Volcano with Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan and one of 330 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: the characters. Meg Ryan plays a couple of characters and 331 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: they're out eating and he's taken her out to eat, 332 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: and they're sitting at a table and they bring out 333 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: a dungeness crab and she's got a hammer, right the 334 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: crab hammer. And she looks and says, they look like 335 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: little monsters, don't they, And she like, cracks this thing, 336 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: and they're gigantic. They're not like an Alaskan king crab. 337 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: They're just really big, you know, and beefy, and the 338 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: meat is so sweet and tender, and I you know, 339 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: one of the things that people will do is that 340 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: they'll go out crabbing in these areas that the sand 341 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: there is a lot different too. You know. It's not like, 342 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, you're down at Panama City Beach and you've 343 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: got this kind of white, beautiful The sand there is 344 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: it has a different consistency. And I often felt that 345 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: when I would, if I ever got brave enough to 346 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: brave the temperature, felt like my feet could get stuck 347 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: out there, you know, because there's like a combination of 348 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: mud and all kinds of stuff like it, just it 349 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: would hold you in place, particularly in a bay like this, 350 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder how many cases where people have just 351 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: kind of wandered out there and when the tide starts 352 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: coming in, Buddy, let me tell you something. You can't 353 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: fight mother nature. I mean, it's raging. You know it's 354 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: going to come in and it could hold you, suck 355 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: you under any number of things. And I think that 356 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: that maybe if you find skeletal remains out there in 357 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: this kind of beachy area, I really wonder if they're 358 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of contained and held in place. Maybe you stepped wrong, 359 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: maybe you had a health event or something like this, 360 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: and you just went down and essentially kind of drowned, 361 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, while being in that place. 362 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: Dave, I will tell you what's interesting, you pointing out 363 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 2: the difference in the texture of the sind and you know, 364 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: for those who have only been in the Pacific Northwest, 365 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: or even if you've been on the West coast like 366 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: where I was in Orange County, California, and the beaches there. 367 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: When you see postcards from a hotel that show a 368 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: white beach with clear blue water, and you see that 369 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: and go I've never seen this what the heck, Well, 370 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: I will tell you that's Panama City Beach or Orange Beach, 371 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: or dust and yeah or dustin Yeah. I will tell you. 372 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: The first time I saw that, I tripped out, well, 373 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: to go from the West coast from the Pacific Ocean 374 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: in southern California to North Carolina on the outer banks. 375 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: First of all, the temperature, the water temperature is amazingly different. 376 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: The Atlantic Ocean much warmer than the Pacific. And then 377 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: when you go to the Gulf of America, it's like 378 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: a bathtub. Okay, just to give you an idea, I 379 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: can only imagine again for our friends in the Pacific 380 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: Northwest when we're looking I cannot imagine what that must 381 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: be like. I know the differences in these others, and 382 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: I can only imagine what this must be like. Because 383 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: we do have a number of stories where people go 384 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 2: out doing something in the water, like crabbing, and they 385 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: don't come back. 386 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: No, no, they don't. And that's you know. I would 387 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: see stuff like this in South Louisiana where people go 388 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: out into the marsh and that sort of thing. They'll 389 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: get turned around, disoriented. 390 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: But there's eating down there. 391 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: But well, that does happen, and listen, I'm not completely 392 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: discounting that in this case either. And let me tell 393 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: you why. It's because of the crabs, because I have 394 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: just relative to blue crabs, I have pulled bodies out 395 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: of bodies of water in South Louisiana where when the 396 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: bodies came up deependent type of water I was in, 397 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: first off, if you're in the more salty marsh water. 398 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: I've pulled bodies up that had currently had blue crabs 399 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: on them, or the blue crabs had feasted on the body, 400 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: and the soft tissue has a very particular look to it, 401 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: unlike anything else that you will see as far as 402 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: post mortem trauma goes, where the tissue has been ripped 403 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: away and torn and these kinds of things, and those injuries, 404 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: post mortem injuries are very distinctive. 405 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: If you look at. 406 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: A dungeness crab, for instance, and you have a body 407 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: that's out there, there's no protection whatsoever. I mean crabs, look, 408 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: crabs are going to crab, man, that's what they do. 409 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: And these things are really really robust and they require food. Remember, 410 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: I think that one of the reasons they're so very 411 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: plentiful out there is that you've got these salmon runs 412 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: that take place, and perhaps they have a lot to 413 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: fea selling out there a human. A human to them 414 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: would be absolutely nothing. And if I'm just I'm interested 415 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: in how they were able to recover skeletal remains because 416 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: this is going to be very difficult to process the 417 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: scene from a medical legal perspective. I'm wondering how well 418 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: contained the remains were. I find it very interesting that 419 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: they're so broad, Dave, on this age range that we 420 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: were talking about. Just a moment ago, there was there 421 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: a skull or was there not? Remember, AUTHORAM is involved 422 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: in this. AUTHORAM is involved in this. Authorm doesn't require 423 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: a skull, now, Okay, they don't. All they need, All 424 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: they need is skeletal sample, Okay, that they can essentially 425 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, that they can bore 426 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: down into. Remember that the shaft of a bone, particularly 427 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: the head of the bone, if you think like the 428 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: head of a femur, which the femur is the largest 429 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: long bone in the body. If you go into the femur, 430 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: into the head of it, that provides a protective shield 431 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: around those areas where you can access viable DNA, where 432 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: you can come out and you can actually run DNA 433 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: on that area, you can get a viable sample where 434 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: you can create a profile off of and you know, 435 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: if you can do that and then backtrack it, perhaps, 436 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: just perhaps you can actually find the key to a mystery. 437 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: And in this case, our friends have authoram did just that. 438 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: You know, Dave, I've never really had an affinity for 439 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: wanting to meet now national level politicians and maybe maybe 440 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: state level politicians, but it always seems that when you 441 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: chat with local politicians, most of them, I guess some 442 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: of them could be bland, most of them have are 443 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: great storytellers, you know, particularly down here in the South, 444 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: we've got a we've got this weird thing that goes 445 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: on down here with small town, small town politicians, particularly mayors. 446 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: You know, it's all they've ever wanted to do. They 447 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: don't have they don't have a goal to do anything 448 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: else to be they don't want to be in the 449 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: state house. They just want to manage, you know, their 450 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: little area that they're in. And yeah, there's there are 451 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: a lot of bad apples out there, but there's some 452 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: pretty cool people too, you know, that you run across 453 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: over a period of time, and in this particular case, Dave. 454 00:28:52,840 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: We're we're talking about a man that had been a politician, 455 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: had occupied the office of mayor in kind of a 456 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: very tiny little town there in Oregon. And if you 457 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: if you look at this location in Oregon where they 458 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: had a mayor that had been in office for a 459 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: number of years, he just kind of fades into the background. 460 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: He literally goes missing. He's never seen again. And you know, 461 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: how does that happen, particularly when you begin to think 462 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: about You've got somebody that is known to the public. 463 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, this man that I'm mentioning that just 464 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of disappears off the face of the map back 465 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. 466 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: Yes, he goes missing September two thousand and six, Joe, Yes, 467 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: and they declare him dead. Yeah, they don't find him. 468 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: I'm guessing. Look, he goes out crabbing, Yeah, September two 469 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: thousand and six, and when he doesn't turn up for 470 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before the end of September, they 471 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: declare him dead. Declare him dead, not missing dead. 472 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, can I tell you something real quick geographically 473 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: where he was the mayor And I'm talking about a 474 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: gentleman named Edwin Asher, where he was mayor, is in 475 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: a little town called Fossil Fossil, Oregon. The reason it's 476 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: called Fossil is that there are these renowned fossil beds 477 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: that are there. It is in the interior, and it's 478 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of toward the northern part of Oregon, but it's 479 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: in the interior of the state. The interior state in Oregon, 480 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: and I've traveled all over Oregon is completely a completely 481 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: different world than if you get on the other side 482 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: of what's referred to as a coastal range. It's almost 483 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: like there's a barrier. You know, there's the Cascade Mountain Range, 484 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: which you can see these you know, volcanic peaks that 485 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: are along the way. Those are different than the Coastal 486 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: Mountain Range. The Coastal Mountain Range is they've got these 487 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: huge evergreens. It kind of in one way, the Coastal 488 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: Mountain Range reminds me of a lot of Appalachia, you know, lush, 489 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: kind of green rolling, but it's all evergreen. Well, I'm 490 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: sure there's probably hardwoods to do, but evergreen trees. And 491 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of the barrier between the interior of the state, 492 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: which can be interpreted many times as like high desert, 493 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: that the temperatures are completely different. They don't have the 494 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: same level of rain as like the coast, and that 495 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: that kind of fortress that the coastal Range creates, it 496 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: blocks a lot of those weather systems coming off or 497 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: it lessens them. 498 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: So this is where this guy is from and where 499 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: he was the mayor. Is not the area where he 500 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: goes crab. 501 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's on the other side of the coast. 502 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, not only on the other 503 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: side of the coastal range. If you were to bear, 504 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: you would have to bear southwest and cross those mountains 505 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: and then wind up on the coast. You know, people 506 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: throw around the word diverse ecosystems a lot. This is 507 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: like one of the it's a glaring example of that. 508 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you can go to certain parts of Oregon 509 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: and you're in the interior of the state. This is 510 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: why it's so and you'll see mass, right, You'll actually 511 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: see mass you know, out there, and I'm not going 512 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: to say it's like red rocks or anything. I guess 513 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: there's some of that, but it reminds you of how 514 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: wild this area is. You go over to east in 515 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: Oregon and dude, you got cowboys over there. I mean 516 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: there's cowboys. You don't have people that are walking around 517 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: in birkenstocks and you know, drinking from their you know, 518 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: their their favorite coffee company or whatever it is along 519 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: the way. These are two good groups of people. So 520 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: this guy goes missing out of Fossil, Oregon where he 521 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: had been the mayor, and just kind of slips into 522 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: the mist, Dave within a matter of weeks, within the 523 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: matter of weeks, And I'm just wondering, what is there 524 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: a disconnect between sending out information about a missing person. 525 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: You've got a former mayor in this little town in 526 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: the interior state that is missing. 527 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Go, I looked into it because I did the 528 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: same thing. Okay. I had to pull up the map 529 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: and wow, okay, yeah, what it looks like to me? 530 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 531 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 2: Edwin Asher, this is a guy born in nineteen thirty 532 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: four and he worked in Fossil. He actually opened up 533 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: a variety store in the mid sixties. Okay, Asher's variety 534 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: store in Fossil, Oregon while he was working for Fossil 535 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: Telephone Company. Now we're talking about a telephone company that 536 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: ran the lines and everything. Okay, he was with them 537 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: for an entire career and retires in nineteen ninety five. 538 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: Edwin Asher does. He's the former mayor of Fossil. He 539 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: has worked for the phone company, and he retires. So 540 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 2: when he goes crabbing, based on what you're explaining, Joe, 541 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 2: he went on a crabbing trip. He's a retired guy 542 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 2: and in two thousand and six, he's seventy two years old. Hey, 543 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to go crabbing on the coast. 544 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: So what's fun to me? 545 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: Actually, yes, it does. I'm hoping I can do that 546 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: when I'm doing Yeah, and so that's what I'm thinking happened. 547 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: I think that's why they knew he went crabbing. But 548 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: he goes missing. Okay, he goes crabbing and never comes back. 549 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: Nobody knows where he is, but they declare him dead 550 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: in weeks. So the problem not the problem, I guess. 551 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm a little perturbed. Yeah, but they obviously maybe this 552 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: is not an uncommon occurrence or something, Joe, because I'm 553 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: getting I'm having a problem, going this is two thousand 554 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: and six. This is not ancient history. Okay, if we 555 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 2: were talking, if we're talking nineteen fifty six, maybe I 556 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: look at it differently. This is two thousand and six 557 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 2: and a seventy two year old man. That's not ancient 558 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, not like it was in 559 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: seventy six. So anyway, they declare him dead. And what 560 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 2: gets me is that when these the skeletal remains are 561 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: found eight weeks later, eight weeks after this guy goes missing, 562 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: his skeletal remains are on the beach, but nobody identifies 563 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: the two. They don't put two and two together and say, 564 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 2: we had this guy go missing. Now we've got skeletal remains. 565 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: But Joe, is it really possible for a human being 566 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: to go missing in September of two thousand and six 567 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 2: in the water crabbing and show up as a skeletal 568 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: remain eight weeks later. 569 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: That's why I talked about crabs, because the crabs could 570 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: in any crustacean like that could facilitate that. I think, 571 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: I think that that might be one of the because Dave, 572 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: I had people, I've been people, yeah, popping up the yeah, 573 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: and so you you think about that, and Dave, I've 574 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: had I've had bodies in very harsh environments before water 575 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: water environments where you would think that there would be 576 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: no soft tissue left. I've had them down for a 577 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: year and they're still soft tissue left. Wow, we're talking 578 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: about literally a matter of weeks. I mean, just think 579 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: about it. Uh, we're talking he went missing in September. 580 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: He's decleared dead. 581 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: What date in September, by the end of the month. 582 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the end of the month. 583 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: And so okay, September fifth is when he actually went 584 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: out crabbing. Okay, right right before the end of the 585 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: months he's declared dead. 586 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and who who functions that way? Because you think 587 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: about Okay, let's just let's put it in this framework. 588 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: The body is found in November, and just think about, 589 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: if you will, for those of you that have kids, 590 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: grand babies, that sort of thing. When school starts, how 591 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: quickly do we get to Thanksgiving? You know, how quickly 592 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: do we get to Halloween and then Thanksgiving? After that? 593 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: It's not a long time, you know, for kids, it 594 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: seems like forever, but for us as adults, it's like, 595 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: in a twinkling of an eye, were there, right, Well, 596 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: so he's declared dead at that point in time, and 597 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: then you jump forward and you've got these skeletal remains. Well, 598 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: we know that he was alive back in September. How 599 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: is it that the body could break down that quickly. 600 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: That's why I'm wondering, really truly wondering how much. And 601 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: they haven't released a lot of information. I understand why, 602 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: I truly do. I really wonder how much sample they 603 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: were able to come away with in order to facilitate 604 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: an examination. Listen, Dave, you know you talked about back 605 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, her covered a 606 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of skeletal remains. Certainly in my career in the 607 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties and into the two thousands, the bodies 608 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: were never identified. I mean, because you might only have 609 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: part of a skeletal sample. But you know, just like 610 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: I always do when it comes to these cases, we're 611 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: in modern times now, dude, because of David and Kristen 612 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: Middleman at Authorm. It's almost like it's for me. I 613 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: don't know, this is I'm a simple guy, you know, 614 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,479 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and it's almost to me like they've 615 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: created fire. 616 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. 617 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean from a medical legal perspective, it's almost like 618 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: they've created fire. 619 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 2: You know, they could not tie these two together. The 620 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 2: guy goes missing in September. Skeleton remains are found in November, 621 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 2: and with all the skills they have at investigations, they 622 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 2: couldn't tie the two together. For twenty years, they don't 623 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 2: know who this skeleton is, even though we've got a 624 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: missing guy. 625 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's really odd, I think is that you know, 626 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: we've we've gone on about Oregon and how beautiful it is, 627 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: but David, it's not the most populous state in the Union. 628 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: You digging what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, it's not 629 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: like you go south to Cali, where there's millions of 630 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: people down there. Okay, you don't have like the population, 631 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, compared to Cali or maybe even to Washington State, 632 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 1: the population is not huge in Oregon. How many missing 633 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: mayors do they have? And why, you know, why are 634 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: we giving up the ship so early? How is this 635 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: not networked in two thousand and six to the point 636 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: where you've created aated maybe some kind of chart or something, 637 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: say the local local police or the corner's office you 638 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: put together because look, I don't know about you, but 639 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: if I'm working for a corner's office and I've got 640 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: somebody somebody on the roster, a body literally dude, I 641 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: want to try to get them identified. And if you 642 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: put together kind of a notification and that's blasted out statewide, 643 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: you would think that if you've got somebody missing, hey, 644 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, but here's the problem, and so kind of 645 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: riding into the defense. Here they're skeletonized in this period 646 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: of time. Again, I come back to the question how 647 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: much sample did they have? You know, you're saying you 648 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: recover skeleton remains. Well, they've never like really posted an 649 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: inventory of the remains. So you think about the skull 650 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: for instance, I don't know, maybe they had it, But 651 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: if they didn't, dude, what are you going to do? Well, 652 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: the only thing I can do is say that I 653 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: got an age range of twenty to sixty or higher 654 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: with a skull. I don't think that happens because you 655 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: go back to these underlying things. Yeah, the suture, obliteration, 656 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: dental wear, all these other things that we look for 657 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: just being able to sex a skeleton. You know, I 658 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: talked about Grassyle versus Robust. Well, if he's he's a 659 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: guy that we're looking for, even though he's elderly, I'm 660 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: still you can still appreciate if he's got like a 661 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: you know, like a pronounced brow line. So you've cut 662 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: out half of the population. At that point in time, 663 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: you know that it's not going to be a lady. 664 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: You know that it's going to be a guy. And 665 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: if you have the skull and you got suture obliteration, okay, 666 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: we also know that he's up in age. Oh, by 667 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: the way, we got dental wear. So that's another thing 668 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: that you're kind of ticking the box on just with 669 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: a skull alone. If you don't have that, if you 670 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: don't have that, you got a problem because now you're 671 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: reliant on this, you know, this this idea that the 672 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: data that I have is all that I have. And 673 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,479 Speaker 1: if I'm having to measure long bones and I'm having 674 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: to make a determination as to level of wear, well, 675 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 1: what's up with the war? If I've got a creature 676 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: that's feasting on the remains and say they're attacking the 677 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: knees or any of the joints like that, is it 678 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: compromise to the point where I really can't appreciate the 679 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: level of where wow, and you know it's rare, It 680 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: is really rare that I'll come across a case of 681 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: skeletal remains where there is this broad this broad of 682 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: an age range on somebody. Generally most of the time 683 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: they will I've seen it bracketed out to fifteen and 684 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: twenty years. Okay, that's kind of reasonable. Okay, we're talking 685 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: about a forty year gap here, and maybe and maybe more. 686 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Wow, it was more Joe. Yeah, yeah, they 687 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: were really wrong. 688 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 2: But one thing that does come up, okay, I yeah, sure, 689 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 2: all right, we know where he went crabbing. He went 690 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 2: into Tildemook Bay, right right, the body washed ashore away 691 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 2: away from there, Yeah, one hundred and twenty miles to 692 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 2: the north. But again, I go back to communication in 693 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 2: two thousand and six, you can tell me you don't 694 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 2: have Hey, we got this missing gentleman who went out 695 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 2: crabbing along the coast. I mean, anyway, ultimately twenty years 696 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 2: go by, no identification. They've already declared the man dead. 697 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 2: And I'm guessing as soon as they declared him dead, 698 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 2: the family went, well, we're probably never going to see 699 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 2: him again, you know, and they put him because once 700 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 2: you're declared dead, they've got enough proof to say you're dead. 701 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 2: That's what I would assume. So getting the skeleton wreck, 702 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 2: it's not a missing person, you know, but there is 703 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 2: Hey man, we do have the Gray's Harbor, John Doe. Yeah, 704 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 2: we have this unidentified skeleton up here that we're still 705 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 2: trying to identify after twenty plas years or going on 706 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 2: twenty plas years, okay, And that's why they got together. 707 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 2: And you mentioned the Middlemans, the fact that they have 708 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 2: created something at Authorm that can solve the unsolvable. Yeah, 709 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 2: twenty years skeleton remains couldn't be identified. No, now we 710 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 2: know that was my mind. 711 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. And of course they they you know, 712 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 1: they have a methodology that they've actually you know, perfected 713 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: that is their own. It's forensic graade genome sequencing. And 714 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: so once they have extracted extracted the DNA many times, 715 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: this DNA that that they're working with is we'll see, 716 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: how can I say this, It's not as rich of 717 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: a sample. Okay. For instance, if we're going out on 718 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: a case and we have like a seminal deposition out 719 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 1: of scene, say ray palm side or some perpetrator cut 720 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: their hand and you've got blood everywhere, it's not like that. 721 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: They're literally having to breathe life, okay, breathe life into 722 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: this DNA in order to be able to sequence it 723 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: to the point where they're using partial or degraded DNA 724 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: to build this thing out, and not only build it out, 725 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: but then take it and apply it to the known 726 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: DNA sample databases that are out there that are open access, 727 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: that obviously they have used in this case. And as 728 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: a result, they were actually able to identify a man 729 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,959 Speaker 1: that was born in nineteen thirty four, Dave nineteen thirty four, 730 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: the former mayor of Fossil, Oregon, who was looking forward 731 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 1: to spending his retirement going to do something really cool 732 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: like crabbing, and then he just disappears off the face 733 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: of the planet. But his identity and his final chapter 734 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: in his life has now been written. It's been written 735 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: by our friends at Authrum Lab. And I know I 736 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: preach this over and over and I will because as 737 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: far as forensics goes, this is the gospel for me. 738 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: There are many people out there that say, Wow, I 739 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,959 Speaker 1: wish I could do something. I wish I could help 740 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: with an investigation. I wish, I wish, I wish. Well, 741 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: may your wish be granted, because now you have an opportunity. 742 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: Now you have an opportunity to take those wishes and 743 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: turn them into reality. I urge each and everyone in 744 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 1: the sound of my voice to go to dnasolvs dot 745 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: com and when you go to that website that's part 746 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: of the authorn website. When you go there, open it up, 747 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: and they have regionalized these unidentified remains, these cases from 748 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: all across America that just need a little push. They 749 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,800 Speaker 1: need a little push by whatever you can donate, because 750 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: they are self funded. This is not some kind of 751 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: governmental event where you've got tax dollars that are being 752 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: poured into it. They have a target they have to 753 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: hit seventy five hundred bucks, seventy five hundred bucks for 754 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: one case where they can flip the switch on the 755 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: science and provide answers that like brother Dave and I 756 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: were talking about just a moment ago that seemed unanswerable, 757 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: that those things that are in the past, they are 758 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: covered by the mist of Now there's key to unlock 759 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: these mysteries and you can be a part of it. 760 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: Go and visit dnasolfs dot com and by virtue of 761 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: a donation to them and what they're trying to do, 762 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: you can actually provide families with answers. You can actually 763 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: give them you can give them their loved ones back, 764 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: give them a conclusion to this long, lonely road that 765 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 1: many people have been on for decades. I'm Joseph Scott 766 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,280 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is bodybags.