1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying to. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Get to for almost thirty years. 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athlete to break barriers and set records. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 4: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and the community we create. And each episode we'll sit 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 5: Wow, the veric is in and let's be clear, the 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 5: government lost his case. 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 6: Diddy was found not guilty of racketeering and sex trafficking 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 6: charges and found guilty of the prostitution charges. 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 5: Eventually, he's gonna come home since in guidelines say he'll 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 5: probably do around five years, but the judge can go 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 5: above or below that. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 4: I don't know. 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 5: It's just a recommendation. But do I think this is 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 5: ultimately a win for Diddy and his team? Yeah, he 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 5: beat the main charge, the charge that was going to 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 5: keep him in custody for the rest of his life, 27 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 5: the rico charge. 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 7: I know he ain't no rico. He might he might 29 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 7: get a freak go CHARGEE Negro's guilty. 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 8: Ultimately, this is a domestic violence case that's ballooned into 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 8: a rico and sex trafficking and so forth. What did 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 8: he did? The casting that Hallway was absolutely horrible, but 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 8: that is not what the trial was about. 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: Did he made all this money? He gave all these 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: opportunities that people created, all these jobs, and it all 36 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: burned down because of poor habits and lack of discipline, 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: drug use, violence towards women, and sleeping with prostitutes. You 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: can't move like that when you are a black man 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: in the position power that Diddy was in. 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 9: But alone, this black excellence was associated with Ditty's name 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 9: and with Diddy's brain. He was one of the faces, 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 9: one of the posted children of black excellence. Moving forward, 43 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 9: what do we want black excellence to be associated with 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 9: with hey family? 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: Today's podcast will be about Diddy about the case. How 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: we arrived at this point, and more specifically, what's going 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: to happen next. I'm pretty sure many of you have read. 48 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: His sentencing is October third. The reason why I wanted 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: to do this is because I remained fairly quiet throughout 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: this entire case, even leading up to his arrest and 51 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: after he was arrested. I had been asked multiple times 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: to talk about it on the record, and I just 53 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: did not feel comfortable. Because I have worked with Diddy. 54 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that we're friends, but we are friendly. 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: I've talked with him, I've exchanged messages, He's hired me 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: to do different work for him, most recently at a 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: super Bowl in Arizona, and I felt like I just 58 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: could not really talk about it without feeling as if 59 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: I was biased, and biased in the sense I have 60 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: a hard time, like many people do, reconciling the art 61 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: from the artist. 62 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 4: I say that a lot. 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Diddy's music truly has narrated very important parts of my life. 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: I remember in college I used to listen to Diddy 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: all the time, him and Biggie all the time, NonStop, 66 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: and he at that moment that was his height. 67 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: He was featured on everything. 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: I remember certain songs coming on, like going back to Cali, 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: And I remember driving around LA and one of my 70 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: close friends at the time, her mom just bought her 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: a new car and we would just drive around La 72 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: listening to going. 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 4: Back to Cali. I mean, just whatever it could be. 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: And I remember listening to Ditty and thinking the battle 75 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: between him and Sugar at one point, producer versus producer. 76 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: I just remember some very significant moments in my life 77 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: and for the culture. I mean, let's not deny who 78 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: did he is. He introduced us to white parties while 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: they may have been happening before we really knew about 80 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: them as a culture. He put a different twist on 81 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: his white parties. He was known for his white parties. 82 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: When I was a local reporter, again, moments were did 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: he helped really inform and ordinarrate parts of my life. 84 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I was a local reporter in Florida and did he 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: would come every year to. 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: Mar A Lago. 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: You all know where mar A Lago is, where Trump lives, 88 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: and he and Trump were friends, and he would have 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: these big parties at Trump's house in mar A Lago. 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: That's when Trump wanted to be popular and cool, and 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: he didn't care who he was interacting with, as we 92 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: all know, and he and Diddy were friends, and there 93 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: were a lot of people who were there with him. 94 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: A lot of those people at those parties. And by 95 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: the way, this is early two thousands, a lot of 96 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: the people at those parties are now canceled. You can't 97 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: even mention their names anymore. Russell Simmons canceled. I can 98 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: go down a list of people I remember seeing they're canceled, 99 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: if you will. 100 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: And so when. 101 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: He was arrested, I felt like it was coming. I 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: wasn't surprised. The stories about Diddy and Hollywood are infamous, 103 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: the stories about the alleged abuse between him and Cassie infamous, 104 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: and I can't even say alleged because we have a 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: video that shows it. So I wanted to wait until 106 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: this case was all said and done and bring in 107 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: someone who actually covered the case from top to bottom. 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: And my good homegirl, Mona, who works at Extra and 109 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: before Extra, she was at ABC News. Mona Colezar has 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: covered this case from top to bottom, and she even 111 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: said it was such a spectacle that the interest in 112 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: this case took her TikTok followers from like three hundred 113 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: thousand to a million because people were locked in. They 114 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: wanted the information day in and day out. And I remember, 115 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: throughout the entire case, her and I would communicate, I 116 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: communicate with different people covering it, and I would say, 117 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't see Rico. I don't know what they're doing 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: over here. But it doesn't seem to me like did 119 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: he did anything wrong besides be a freak. But today, 120 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: today Mona takes us inside the courtroom. She explains what 121 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: the freak COFs really were. I don't know about you, 122 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: but I thought the freak offs were people who were 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of people, ten twenty people sitting in a 124 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: room getting it on, all kinds of crazy stuff, baby 125 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: oil everywhere. Well some of that might have been true, yes, 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: but the way in which I envisioned it was not 127 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: the way that it was presented in court. So she 128 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: talks about that, which I was surprised by, and I'm 129 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: sure you will be two. But here is the bigger question, 130 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: and I think many people are asking this. He's sentenced 131 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: on October third. How much time will he get Dealer's choice? 132 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: No one knows. 133 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: Mona talks about legally the time that he could face 134 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: because he is a first time offender, which to me, 135 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: sadly I was surprised by. And then the second thing 136 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: is will society accept him? I know the culture will 137 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: take him back. Listen, I am sorry to tell you this. 138 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: I know people are disgusted with him because of what 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: we know he did to Cassie, But didd, he is culture. 140 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: He has always been in the zeigeist He has always 141 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: been relevant, whether it be through his kids now and 142 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: who they are dating, and who are there hanging out 143 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: his dating life, who he is dating, who he might 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: be with. You may not always listen to his music 145 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: in terms of his new music, but his old music 146 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: is everywhere. You talk about Mary J. Blige, you talk 147 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: about Biggie, you talk about one twelve, you talk about Mace. 148 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and on and on 149 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: and on and on. Didd, he has had such a 150 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: huge influence in ushering in a genre of hip hop 151 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: that did not exist, and he will forever be in 152 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: the culture. Whether he will be celebrated, that's an individual choice. 153 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: But today on Naked we discuss p Diddy, how we 154 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: got here and what happens next. 155 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: Hope y'all enjoy. 156 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 6: I'm mona Kosar, Abby's senior correspondent for Extra TV Mona. 157 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. I appreciate it. I know 158 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: you got busy things to do today. So the ditty 159 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: case so important, everyone talked about it. 160 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: I need you to do me a favor. 161 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: I have a question because I remember just seeing Diddy 162 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: hanging out at his house. There were these incidents and 163 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: people were suggesting that he was doing things, and next 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: thing I know, he's in jail. How do we get here? 165 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: How do you arrest a mogul like Diddy? He goes 166 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: from being this super high flying you know, I guess 167 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: to me, bigger than life image, and now he's in jail. 168 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: How did we even get here? 169 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, let's take it even further back where he was 170 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 6: getting Lifetime Achievement awards from MTV. 171 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: Bet we were celebrating his legacy. 172 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: He was at the Rock New Brunches with other fellow mobils, 173 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 6: and so he was definitely cemented. His legacy was cemented 174 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 6: into not just hip hop history, but also just the 175 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 6: entertainment world. He's a disruptor, He broke barriers. He reached 176 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 6: heights that not many entertainers reach. And I'm talking black 177 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 6: white regardless right, And then right after he gets one 178 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 6: bet I Believe Lifetime Achievement Award, he has an album 179 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 6: that drops in September of twenty twenty three. Then, but 180 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 6: then in November of twenty twenty three, Cassie Ventora files 181 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 6: a lawsuit, a lawsuit that had a trigger warning, and 182 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 6: that is something that's rare, right, because the details were 183 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 6: so disturbing that in the filing they had to put 184 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 6: a trigger warning. And in there she details years and 185 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 6: years of physical, emotional, and psychological abuse at the hands 186 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 6: of Ditty. She says that he forced her to engage 187 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 6: in these freak offs, that's what she referred to them as, 188 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 6: and said that he liked to watch her have sex 189 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 6: with male entertainers, but he did so while she was 190 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 6: under the influence of drugs. He did so while coercing 191 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 6: her into it by holding her career over her head, 192 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 6: by using physical violence, for example. 193 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: And she sued him. 194 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 6: For I believe it was an undisclosed amount. It might 195 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 6: have been thirty million dollars at the time. That was 196 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 6: a number that was being floated around. Now immediately did 197 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 6: he denies everything that is in including the physical abuse 198 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 6: that is detailed in this lawsuit, but then quickly settles, 199 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 6: literally within twenty four hours, settles for an undisclosed amount 200 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 6: that we later found out was for twenty million dollars. 201 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 6: But the damage was already done and that week I 202 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 6: believe she filed it on a Friday, that weekend, Even 203 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 6: though he settled within twenty four hours, it was on 204 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 6: the front page of every single newspaper, every single website. 205 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: It was already out there. 206 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 6: And that lawsuit triggered a federal investigation. Once the Beds 207 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 6: were aware of all the things that he was detailing, 208 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 6: they started looking into him, and I think as early 209 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 6: as December of twenty twenty three they started looking closely 210 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 6: into him. By March of twenty twenty four, they rated 211 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 6: two of his properties, the one on Star Island in 212 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 6: Miami and the one in Los Angeles. Federal agents raided 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 6: his homes and so that's when Mark Agnifflow, who's his 214 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 6: lead attorney, started going out and you know, basically telling him, listen, 215 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 6: you're going to get arrested. It's not a matter of 216 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 6: if you're going to get arrested, but when you're going 217 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 6: to get arrested, right, And they started preparing for him 218 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 6: to at least be let out on bail. Mark agniflo 219 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 6: says he took his pass or he took the passports 220 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 6: of several of his family members. They just knew an 221 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 6: indictment was coming down. But what we did see in 222 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 6: the media was Diddy riding bikes in Miami, saying hi 223 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 6: to fans, acting like everything was totally fine. Right, But 224 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 6: behind the scenes they are preparing. He is talking to 225 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 6: the woman who we know as Jane, who was dating 226 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 6: him at the time, telling her nothing has happened between us, right, 227 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 6: everything was consensual between us, and we heard those recordings 228 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 6: in court. Behind the scenes, he's getting her an attorney. 229 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 6: He is lawyering up himself, right, making sure that you know. 230 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 6: Mark Agniffilow was going on CNN at the time trying 231 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 6: to say that this was a big nothing burger, that 232 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 6: the federal agents have nothing better to do than to 233 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 6: investigate him. 234 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: But then in May of twenty twenty. 235 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 6: Four, CNN releases that hotel attack video that we have 236 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 6: all seen of Ditty kicking and hitting Cassie as she's 237 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 6: trying to leave him, and he's in a towel in 238 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 6: a hotel and just visually viciously beating her, and that 239 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 6: changed everything. Carry because even people who were defending Ditty 240 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 6: at the time, who were saying, like, yeah, we don't 241 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 6: you know, these are all allegations that Cassie is making. 242 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 6: He denied all these allegations and this is a smear campaign. 243 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 6: For example, a lot of people were quiet once that 244 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: video came out and he was forced to issue an apology. 245 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 6: He posted on his instagm video saying that he is sorry, 246 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 6: that there's no excuse for the violent behavior and I 247 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 6: feel like that video changed the course of a lot 248 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 6: of things. And then in September of twenty twenty four, 249 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 6: he was arrested, and that is where everything started. Obviously, 250 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 6: his child began in May of twenty twenty five, a 251 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 6: few months ago, but that is really when things started 252 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 6: to unfold, was in September of twenty twenty four. 253 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: So you just outlined how he went from receiving lifetime 254 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: Achievement awards, being celebrated in the community, to where there 255 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: were these instances where people like, I've heard about this 256 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: because I got to be honest, you know, behind the scenes. 257 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: I've been to a few of Diddy's parties. I've never 258 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: been to a freak off, but I do know that 259 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: he kept a very tight list of celebrities. I went 260 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: to his fiftieth birthday party. There were so many celebrities there, 261 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: and not one of them spoke out in his favor. 262 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: So I'm really curious, why do you think Because you 263 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: explain how we got here, but why do you think 264 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: so many people who were considered his friends, his peers, 265 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: why were they so silent? 266 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: I think for several reasons. 267 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 6: Right, I've thought about this a lot, because this is 268 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 6: somebody who was super famous. Right, We're not talking about 269 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 6: someone who's known in certain circles. 270 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: This is Diddy. 271 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 6: He's a mobil He's friends with some of the most 272 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 6: powerful people, and nobody came to his defense. Another thing 273 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 6: I noticed is when his trial started, I'm like, where 274 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 6: are the Disney fans? When I saw the Johnny Depp trial, 275 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 6: I saw a lot of Johnny Depp fans holding signs, 276 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 6: people ready to come to his defense. 277 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: Here's what I think. I think. Number One, he's someone 278 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: who didn't make a lot of friends in the industry. 279 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: He is a utrow businessman. 280 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 6: He's really good at what he does, and I think 281 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 6: he has pissed a lot of people off along the way, 282 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 6: and so there were people that were ready to throw 283 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 6: him under the bus and say that they've worked with 284 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 6: him and he is everything that people are saying he is. 285 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 6: I also think that there were a lot of civil lawsuits. 286 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 6: I think the number is like past sixty at this point. 287 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 6: And in those civil lawsuits, this is even before we 288 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 6: found out what the Feds were investigating, what they were 289 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 6: accusing him of. In those civil lawsuits, people were alleging 290 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 6: some pretty egregious things, right such as such as saying 291 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 6: that he was sexually assaulting people, men and women, that 292 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 6: he was slipping things into people's drinks, that there was 293 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 6: something laced than this baby oil that we keep hearing 294 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 6: so much about, and saying that after these lavish parties, 295 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 6: these A List parties that he threw, there were after 296 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 6: after parties, and some people said that there were a 297 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 6: less celebrities attending these parties, and that there would be 298 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 6: a less celebrities it would come out that were on 299 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 6: these tapes. Right now, I will say, as of today 300 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 6: as we're speaking, a lot of these things have not 301 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 6: been proven. None of this came up in the federal 302 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 6: investigation or the trial as well. But I will say 303 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 6: a lot of people were trying to save their own 304 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 6: behinds and make sure that they weren't associated with him 305 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 6: and associated with the tapes. There were also allegations that 306 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 6: there were miners involved, right, So these are very serious 307 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 6: allegations that I think nobody was willing to put their 308 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 6: neck out on the line for him. And I also 309 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 6: think that that brutal video that came out of him 310 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 6: beating Cassie, it was really hard to come out and 311 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 6: say that you still stood by him and you were 312 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 6: going to defend him without yourself being dragged publicly after 313 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 6: that media. 314 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: But Mona, to your point about why celebrities are trying 315 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: to save their their behinds if you will, there were 316 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: people who saw this. There's they're allegedly people's stars, famous 317 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: who saw how he treated Cassie. She even talked about it. 318 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: So what we're witnessing in real time is the power 319 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: of a man and his money, you know, silencing a 320 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: group of people for to me, lack of a better word, 321 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons he had. It appears or 322 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: allegedly it appears like he had some sort of power 323 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: over them, because to me, silence is complicit, like you 324 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: are in agreement if you didn't come out and say, well, 325 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: this was wrong. 326 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: Do you know? 327 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: And I'm just asking, do you know if any of 328 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: these major celebrities were asked to testify or asked to 329 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: speak out against Diddie? Do you have any information about that? 330 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: Was that mentioned in court? While you covered this case. 331 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 6: There were a lot of celebrities that were name dropped, 332 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 6: a lot like I can't go through the list, right, 333 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 6: some none in the none in relation to any of 334 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 6: the sexual activity that was going on. 335 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: Right. 336 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 6: The only person that was mentioned in an intimate setting 337 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 6: was Kit cutting right because he was dating Cassie. 338 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 4: Correct. 339 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: There were a lot of level that mentioned. 340 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 6: We saw Kanye West come through right, and there were 341 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: some talk there was rumors that he may have been 342 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 6: involved with in this lifestyle right, that he was the 343 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 6: person that Jane said she attended a similar kind of 344 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 6: freak off party with. 345 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: He showed up the next day. 346 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 6: In court, right, But I don't think that the I 347 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 6: don't think the government or the prosecutors were trying to 348 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 6: subpoena any of them. I think they wanted Kid Cutti 349 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 6: because he was directly involved. What I realized throughout this 350 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 6: trial is that Cassie and Diddy had their A list friends, 351 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 6: the celebrities that they were seen with, that they were 352 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 6: hanging out with. 353 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: Then they had behind the scenes friends. 354 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 6: These were assistants, hair stylists, stylists, makeup artists that knew 355 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 6: them intimately. Because one thing that I've realized is these freakoffs. 356 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 6: Even though people were saying, oh, this was the after 357 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 6: after party to the white party, this seemed like it 358 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 6: was a really intimate thing between Cassie Diddy or Diddy 359 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 6: and Jane or another girlfriend. 360 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: And I mean, what do you mean an intimate thing? 361 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: What do you mean an intimate thing? 362 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: So you're really want to say, yeah, his parties, his 363 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: normal parties that people have heard of that he's known for, 364 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: white parties, he invented in a lot of ways, big 365 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: huge events. You're telling me these freak offs weren't T's 366 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: one of your thirty people. They were intimate events. And 367 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? 368 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 6: What I mean by that is, yes, it was probably 369 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 6: three people Max, Cassie Diddy or Diddy and a girlfriend 370 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 6: and a male sex worker. 371 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: This wasn't something that he wanted out. 372 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 6: Even these tapes, they were only featuring three people, and 373 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 6: they were on his personal devices, they weren't for other 374 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 6: people to see. Whenever a male sex worker said that 375 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 6: you know, there's a tape out there or there was 376 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 6: they got information or win that a tape may have 377 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 6: been leaked, or somebody was holding over their head that 378 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 6: they were going to release a tape, they would pay 379 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 6: the money, They would go through extreme lanes to make 380 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 6: sure these tapes never saw the light of day. So 381 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 6: that's where it's This wasn't a party with multiple people. 382 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 6: This was something intimate that happened on a Wednesday at 383 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 6: eight pm, right, And that is something that I really 384 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 6: wanted people to understand that it wasn't what it was 385 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 6: perceived to be. And I think a lot of people 386 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 6: as they were following the trial were like, wait, what 387 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 6: happened to all the things that were in the media 388 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 6: about minors and. 389 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: You know, sexual assault and a list celebrities and multiple 390 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: people on these tapes. And that's not what came out 391 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: during the trial. 392 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 6: What came out during the trial was that this was 393 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 6: something that he liked to do in his private time 394 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 6: and didn't want people to know about. 395 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 4: Wow, I'm blown away. 396 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: My mind is blown So you mean to tell me 397 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm under the impression, just from what I was able 398 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: to get from the court that these freak offs to 399 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: me sounded like it was just a crazy I mean, 400 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: not that of it whatever. 401 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: It sounds as if it was an orgy, thirty forty people. 402 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: Uh, baby oil everywhere, drugs everywhere, hotel rooms demolished because 403 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: of the freakoffs. You're saying it was an intimate thing 404 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: that would happen on a wind today and it was 405 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: something that he did just with his significant other. 406 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying to me, No, so. 407 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 6: Let me clarify, because it was everything that you described 408 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 6: it to be. Drugs everywhere, baby oil everywhere, hotel rooms destroyed. 409 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: It was wild. 410 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 6: What I'm say saying, though, is the only participants that 411 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 6: were mentioned at least that came out during the trial 412 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 6: was Ditty, a significant other, and one mail or. There 413 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 6: are times that there were multiple male sex workers, but 414 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 6: that's it, the male escorts, the girlfriend, and Diddy. But 415 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 6: he used to call them debauchery knights, wild king knights, 416 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 6: hotel knights, freak offs. They had all these names to 417 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 6: describe something that was ritualistic. 418 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: Right. 419 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 6: It involved always excess amounts of baby oil. We're talking 420 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 6: ten plus bottles. At one point he had an inflatable 421 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 6: pool where he filled it up with just baby oil. 422 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 6: Hotel rooms so damaged that the Intercontinental built him forty 423 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 6: six thousand dollars to cover the damages. And this was 424 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 6: something that wasn't a one off. Candle wax everywhere, the 425 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 6: drapes doused in baby oil, the sheets destroyed. They would 426 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 6: try to cover the furniture in sheets, Cassie described, because 427 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 6: things would get crazy and they would spend twenty four 428 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 6: thirty six forty eight at one time, she said, seventy 429 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 6: two hours. 430 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 2: In these hotel rooms. 431 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 6: And it was something that was possible because they were 432 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 6: doing copious amounts of drugs that they would be able 433 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 6: to do ecstasy to get in the mood, or do 434 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 6: cocaine and other drugs stimulants to stay up for twenty 435 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 6: four plus hours, and then they would have to spend 436 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 6: days recovering. 437 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So where did the prosecution go wrong? Outside looking in, 438 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: I kept saying, where's Rico? 439 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: What is Rico? What is he being charged for? 440 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: All I can hear from the outside looking in, from reports, 441 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: from your reporting, from CNN reporting simply was that Diddy 442 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: was a freak and he liked to get his freak on, 443 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: and that's all I heard. 444 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 4: And then I. 445 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: Would see little bits and pieces about Okay, I can 446 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: see how that's sex trafficking, but it sounds to me 447 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: like are they making the case? I just heard about 448 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: a freaky guy who had a girlfriend who liked to participate. 449 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: Eight Where did the prosecution go wrong? 450 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 6: So the prosecution took about six weeks to outline their case. 451 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 6: They called about thirty four witnesses. They really tried to 452 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 6: flesh out for the jurors. 453 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: You know, they were. 454 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 6: Eight men, a panel of eight men and four women. 455 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 6: They really tried to flesh out for them how this 456 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 6: was considered rico under federal law, how this was considered 457 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 6: sex trafficking, both of Cassie and of Jane. 458 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: And they really tried to flesh it out. 459 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 6: Now, I said from the very beginning, the Southern District 460 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 6: of New York has a very high conviction rate. But 461 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 6: if there is anyone that can get off, it is Diddy, 462 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 6: who assembled a powerhouse team of some of the top 463 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 6: defense attorneys in the country. Right they and they tried 464 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 6: their best to poke holes in the prosecution's case. They 465 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 6: tried to make witnesses look less credible through their cross examination, 466 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 6: and this is why we saw his defense team call 467 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 6: no witnesses and take thirty minutes to present their case, 468 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 6: and that is it before they rested. And the reason 469 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 6: being is because throughout the cross examine they were presenting 470 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 6: their case. They set the stage during opening statements saying, 471 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 6: you know what, we're not going to even defend it, Dy. 472 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 6: We're not defending the fact that he is a violent person. 473 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 6: You'll see the tape for yourself. We are not saying 474 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 6: that he is not abusive. We are not saying that 475 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 6: you actually this is a stand up guy. Verbatim, Tenny 476 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 6: Gerago sells a jury during her opening statement, she says, 477 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 6: you may by the end of this you may not 478 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 6: like him. You're gonna think he's a jerk. You're gonna 479 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 6: think he's a mean person. But he is not charged 480 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: with being a mean person. He is not charged with 481 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 6: being a jerk. And they also said he's not charged 482 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 6: with domestic violence, which is what this is. This was 483 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 6: a mutually toxic relationship between two people who were in 484 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 6: a decade plus relationship. There was violence involved, and they 485 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 6: say there were you know, there was violence both ways, 486 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 6: and they tried to show that as well, and I 487 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 6: think that was in the back of the jurors minds 488 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 6: throughout this process and what I think they were going 489 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 6: through and what was challenging for the prosecutors was to 490 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 6: show that sex trafficking how we usually see it as 491 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 6: a lay person sees it as someone who has maybe 492 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 6: like grabbed off the street, a pimp and prostitute kind 493 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 6: of relationship is not the only definition of. 494 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: Sex trafficking that there are. 495 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 6: That you can be in a relationship, a committed relationship 496 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 6: with someone and still traffic them. 497 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: And I also think that what the prosecution didn't do. 498 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 6: This is my opinion. I would say, I don't think 499 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 6: they connected with the jurors. I think they threw a 500 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 6: lot of information, a lot of facts in the jurors. 501 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 6: But during closing arguments, the assistant US Attorney, Christy Slavic, 502 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 6: stood at the lectern right in front of the jury 503 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 6: and she had her head down the entire time, reading 504 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 6: off her papers, and she put a PowerPoint presentation that 505 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 6: I can only describe as like a nineteen ninety nine 506 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 6: PowerPoint presentation. 507 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: There was like no graphics. 508 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 6: They had pictures that you know, it does help us 509 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 6: if you're a visual learner like me, to see the 510 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 6: this is who his security is, this is his chief 511 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 6: of staff, this is his right hand woman. 512 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: But it was. 513 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 6: Very complex, drawn out, and she didn't look up once 514 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 6: at the jurors. 515 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: She didn't really make an effort to connect with them. 516 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 6: Then you have marc Agniffolo, who's Diddy's lead attorney, and 517 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 6: during these closing arguments, he said, I'm not going to 518 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 6: show you text messages. I'm not going to show you 519 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 6: a PowerPoint presentation. I'm just going to talk to you. 520 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 6: And he was pacing back and forth and he even 521 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 6: made the jurors laugh a few times. And I think 522 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 6: that connection and he took a risk as well, because 523 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: some of the things he was saying. I was like, 524 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 6: this is borderline and it might rub the jurors a 525 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 6: long way, including saying for the first time throughout the trial, 526 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 6: Cassie is not a victim. Cassie is Ditty's match. She 527 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 6: played him, she played kid Cutti. This is a woman 528 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 6: who is nobody's fool, right, And. 529 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: I was thinking, Okay, this is bold, because they. 530 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 6: Have been teetering that line throughout this trial to not 531 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 6: Cassie took the stand which was halfman's pregnant and gave 532 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 6: some of the most compelling testimony that we heard. So 533 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 6: to go after her and attack her so directly, I 534 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 6: thought was a risk. 535 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: But I do think he got a laugh out of 536 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: the jurors. 537 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 6: He poked fun at the prosecution's case, and eventually I 538 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 6: think it came down to they were able to connect 539 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 6: with the jurors and that the jurors couldn't find beyond 540 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 6: a reasonable doubt that he was guilty of sex trafficking 541 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 6: and a rico. 542 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: At the end of the day October third, he will 543 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: be sentenced. Can you explain to everyone what he was 544 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: convicted of and what's the maximum to minimum, minimum to 545 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: maximum amount of time he could possibly face in jail. 546 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: Yes. So one thing I do want to clarify is 547 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: that he's still a convicted felon. 548 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 6: This is his first time offends, but he is a 549 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 6: convicted felon, and that he was facing five counts. So 550 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 6: he was acquitted of the reco charge, He was acquitted 551 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 6: of sex trafficking charge of Cassie and Jane, but he 552 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 6: was convicted of transportation to engage in prostitution two counts 553 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 6: of transportation. That is a man act and that I mean, 554 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 6: it's still a federal charge, and it still comes with 555 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 6: a hefty sentence, maximum of ten years in prison. 556 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: Because he's a first time offender. 557 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 6: He may be looking at the according to the defense, 558 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 6: he may be looking at twenty one to twenty seven months, right, 559 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 6: So that's a little over or under two years. 560 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: He does get time served. 561 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 6: By the time we get to sentencing hearing, he would 562 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 6: have been in jail for a year, maybe thirteen months, 563 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 6: so he will get credit for a year of being 564 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 6: in custody. Wow, But the prosecution says no, given the abuse, 565 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 6: given the drugs, given everything that was involved in the transportation, right, 566 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 6: and everything that was laid out in the case, he's 567 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 6: looking at fifty three to sixty one months or somewhere 568 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 6: around there, somewhere. 569 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: Around five years. Right. 570 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 6: Even then in the grand scheme of things, when he's 571 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 6: looking at life in prison, he was looking at life 572 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 6: in prison. At one point, it seems like this is 573 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 6: a loss for the prosecutors, right, because even if you 574 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 6: get him on five years, if he does four years, 575 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 6: if he's out in three. 576 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: It's not life in prison. The accountability that they. 577 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 6: Were trying to they were trying to hold Ditty to 578 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 6: right to have him in prison for the rest of 579 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 6: his life or at least for several decades. 580 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: I personally think he may get three but then if. 581 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 6: He is out in two years, if he gets the 582 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 6: time serve and he's out in two years, I think 583 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 6: a lot of the witnesses that testified, a lot of 584 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 6: people that are in circle, will feel disappointed. 585 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: At the end of the day. 586 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 6: I already spoke with Mala Morales, Cassie's makeup artists, who testified, 587 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 6: and said she witnessed some of the abuse, and she 588 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 6: told me, really, what was that for? 589 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: I can't believe this is what happened. 590 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 6: After we testified, after we went through this, she said 591 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 6: she felt it wasn't worth it. 592 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Wow, and what do 593 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: you think he's going to get. 594 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 6: I think he's going to get three years, because, yes, 595 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 6: there are a lot of circumstances, right there was the abuse. 596 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 6: It's not just about transporting escorts across state lines. It's 597 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 6: also about some of the physical abuse that was involved, 598 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 6: the drug use, all of the other factors and everything 599 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 6: that we learned throughout the trial. But I also think 600 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 6: that this is his first time. This is his first 601 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 6: time being convicted. 602 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 4: Of you know, on the record, right, like on the record. 603 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 6: On record, yes, because if you remember the gun charges 604 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 6: that he was facing back in the early two thousands, 605 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 6: he beat those charges. But I think the big thing 606 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 6: that everybody wants to know is that when he gets out, 607 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 6: whether it's three years, five years, whatever, when he gets out, 608 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 6: is he going to go back to doing what he 609 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 6: was doing? Does this make him feel more untouchable? Or 610 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 6: was this a reality check for Diddy? And I think 611 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 6: only time will tell. 612 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: Mona. 613 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: I have so many more questions. This is to be continued. 614 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: We're going to do part one and part two eventually. 615 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing this with me. I 616 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: think the biggest question is what happens when he gets out. 617 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Will people accept Diddy? And will this be just a 618 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: blip on the radar? I think so like I feel 619 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: like they love them. I feel like that's my opinion. 620 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 4: I just feel like they love them. 621 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: These people pouring baby oil on themselves, were you I 622 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: mean baby oil? 623 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 4: Why would I be outside the court? 624 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh quickly, do you know on the record whether or 625 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: not those people outside the court when we're paid? 626 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 6: No, I think a lot of them were YouTubers. I 627 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 6: think a lot of them were people who saw the 628 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 6: kind of the spectacle that this has turned into. There 629 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 6: were people live streaming every day outside of there, and 630 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 6: that's the people that we saw gathering were people who 631 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 6: were engaging in the spectacle. 632 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: It turned out to be all. 633 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: Right, Mona, you did a great job. Thank you so 634 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: much for covering the case. Thank you for taking the 635 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: time to talk to us. I know you got to 636 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: jump and go to work. Have a great day, friend, 637 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: Thank you friend. 638 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 639 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: I had so many questions for Mona and not an 640 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: time because she had to go to work. However, however, 641 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: I think the big question, and again I said this 642 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: at the top of the podcast, this is an individual choice. 643 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: How you choose to remember Diddy and or celebrate him 644 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: and or still listen to his music is the same 645 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: way you choose to listen to R. Kelly and or 646 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and or name the disgraced celebrity. If we 647 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: want to go into a genre of music, leave out 648 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: of music and go into movies. You know, there are 649 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: so many movie stars we know that, or even people 650 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: who are in Hollywood in general, that we can't deal 651 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: with or we won't watch their movies anymore, or we 652 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: can't support them publicly because it's embarrassing. I just don't 653 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: want to point to black man, because that's not fair. 654 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: I think if Harvey Harvey Weinstein, we still watch his 655 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: television show Slash Movies. I may produce a lot of 656 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: great films and people are still watching it, and he's 657 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: considered persona non grin. I believe Black folks are going 658 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: to forgive Diddy. I really do, not all of us, 659 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: but I do believe, by and large, his contributions have 660 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: been so invaluable to the culture that people will say, 661 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: we forgive you your look. I hang around people that 662 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: still listen to R. Kelly, whether in public or not. 663 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: They still listen to R. Kelly, and he's disgusting. And 664 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: that's my opinion. How will this look? Mona said something 665 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: really important? Will Diddy change? That's the part that got 666 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: me about this case, y'all. If I can be confidential, 667 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: and I told you I've worked with him, He's been 668 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: nothing but respectful around me, almost to the point where 669 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: he's shy, Like every time I've been around him. 670 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 4: I know this sounds crazy. This man is shy. 671 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: Or at least has the appearance of maybe it's doctor Jeckyll, 672 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: mister Hyde. But I cannot speak about this man being 673 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: rude to me or inappropriate with me. Never happened, and 674 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: I've known him for years. But my question is, once 675 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: he serves this time and he is free, will he change? 676 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: Will he be different? He beat the gun charges, right, 677 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: Remember he had gun slash murder charges and he beat 678 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: those charges. Remember when he was with j Lo he 679 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: beat those everyone reminds us at least Bona did anyway, 680 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: and that didn't change them in terms of let me 681 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: dis straighten up and fly right. 682 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: I wonder is this the turning point for him? 683 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: His kids heard and saw everything, and while they can 684 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: dumb it down to a toxic relationship that was abusive 685 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: on both sides, there are things about their father they 686 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: now know that I'm pretty sure they didn't want to know. 687 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: And I wonder if, being the great marketer that he is, 688 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: does he ignore this in his mind and change it 689 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: to just a blome on the radar. I was in 690 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: a toxic relationship. She got me for money. She was 691 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: just as bad as I was. Because I hear people 692 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: saying that a lot, and I just have a hard 693 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: time with that take. My hope is that it does 694 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: change him. You've escaped twice some serious time in jail, 695 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: and you've also had public backing and support, at least 696 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: from your fans. Maybe not from your peers, but definitely 697 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: from your fans. Does this change you? We shall see 698 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: sentencing October third. Again, we don't know what the judge 699 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: is going to determine as far as his sentencing goes. 700 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: You heard Mona say which she thought he'd get three 701 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: years with time served, so that might be two years. 702 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: She thinks. I'm hearing that he might do two years 703 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 4: max in prison. That's what we're hearing. Who knows, But 704 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 4: what we do know. 705 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 6: Is that. 706 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: Our superheroes, our stars, are just people, flawed men and women. 707 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: And I wonder if the bigger messages no one, no one, 708 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: no matter how much money, no matter how much power 709 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: you have, no matter how high you are, we all 710 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: will be humbled by life. That's my message and that 711 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,959 Speaker 1: is my takeaway. Thank y'all for listening to this edition 712 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: of Naked Sports. Be back next week. Naked Sports written 713 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: and executive produced by me Carrie Champion, produced by Jacques Thomas, 714 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: Sound design and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. Naked Sports is 715 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: a part of the Black Effect podcast network in iHeartMedia