WEBVTT - Three Nuclear Close Calls

0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. Not long ago,

0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I went to the Maritime Museum in San Diego, California,

0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.160
<v Speaker 1>which if you like boats and ships in maritime history,

0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.280
<v Speaker 1>it was worth a stop. It's also right down the

0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.319
<v Speaker 1>road from the USS Midway Museum, so if you would

0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.040
<v Speaker 1>like some military history and some maritime history altogether, like

0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.880
<v Speaker 1>you can just spend a whole day out there. Um,

0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:39.960
<v Speaker 1>don't do what I did and lose your camera. Though.

0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:44.800
<v Speaker 1>If anyone saw my camera in San Diego, let me know. Yeah,

0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I have the last known photo from that

0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.199
<v Speaker 1>camera because you texted it to me from the museum. Oh,

0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I took that from my iPhone. Fortunately I didn't lose

0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>my phone. I only lost my point issue camera anyway.

0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:01.480
<v Speaker 1>The actual point is Among the many faring vessels at

0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the Maritime Museum is the Soviet Foxtrot class submarine, which

0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.640
<v Speaker 1>is home to an exhibit about a really harrowing incident

0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I had never heard about before. It was one of

0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.759
<v Speaker 1>the surprisingly many moments in history when the world came

0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.720
<v Speaker 1>perilously close to a full scale nuclear war. Uh And

0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I did not actually know there were that many, that

0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.000
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly many incidents until I started looking into it for

0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.039
<v Speaker 1>this episode today. So today we're just going to look

0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.520
<v Speaker 1>at three of them, including the one I learned about

0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in San Diego which inspired today's show. The incident aboard

0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Soviet submarine B fifty nine is tangled up with the

0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Cuban missile crisis and the nuclear arms race between the

0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.880
<v Speaker 1>United States and the Soviet Union. With the help of

0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.840
<v Speaker 1>its allies, the United States developed the first nuclear weapons

0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.960
<v Speaker 1>through the Manhattan Project. Among the weapons the Manhattan Project

0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.920
<v Speaker 1>produced were the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan.

0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.360
<v Speaker 1>In Not long after World War Two, the Soviet Union

0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.279
<v Speaker 1>successfully detonated its own nuclear bomb, and soon the United

0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.760
<v Speaker 1>States and the Soviet Union were locked in a cold

0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.080
<v Speaker 1>war and a nuclear arms race. Both nations were simultaneously

0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.079
<v Speaker 1>building more nuclear weapons and developing more powerful weapons that

0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:21.400
<v Speaker 1>were able to travel greater distances and deliver bigger payloads.

0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.640
<v Speaker 1>The Cuban Missile crisis grew out of this cold war

0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and arms race. In July of nineteen sixty two, the

0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union reached an agreement with Cuba to install several

0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.720
<v Speaker 1>missiles there. The negotiation and the transportation of missiles to

0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Cuba were conducted in secret, but the US learned about

0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it through aerial surveillance photography on October fourteenth, nineteen sixty two.

0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Those photographs were delivered to the White House the next day.

0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.960
<v Speaker 1>At this point, the United States nuclear arsenal was far

0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.440
<v Speaker 1>far bigger and more powerful than the Soviet Unions, and

0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the United States also already had missiles stationed in Turkey

0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.480
<v Speaker 1>in easy reach of Soviet territory. But with the placement

0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.639
<v Speaker 1>of missiles in Cuba, for the first time, the Soviet

0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Union also had missiles an easy reach of American territory.

0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Even though the Soviets insisted that the missiles were only

0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.080
<v Speaker 1>in Cuba as a defensive measure, this was a move

0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.640
<v Speaker 1>that was both intended and interpreted as a threat. For

0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a few days, news of the missile installation was also

0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.440
<v Speaker 1>kept secret from the general public, but on October twenty two,

0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.040
<v Speaker 1>President John F. Kennedy gave a televised address giving Americans

0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.720
<v Speaker 1>a detailed description of the missile sites being built. He

0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.440
<v Speaker 1>called Soviets placement of missiles in Cuba a quote clandestine,

0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.560
<v Speaker 1>reckless and provocative threat, and he announced a naval quarantine

0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.080
<v Speaker 1>around Cuba to prohibit the delivery of any further materials

0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.520
<v Speaker 1>or weapons. This quarantine really goes in air quotes. It

0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.880
<v Speaker 1>was a blockade, but calling it a blockade would have

0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.000
<v Speaker 1>presumed a state of war, so they chose the word

0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:02.520
<v Speaker 1>quarantine to be nice about it. Kennedy also wrote to

0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Nikita Krushchev, the first Secretary of the Central Committee of

0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, basically the leader

0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of Soviet Union, to say that the United States would

0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.120
<v Speaker 1>not tolerate the presence of Soviet missiles in Cuba. He

0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.160
<v Speaker 1>also spelled out that any nuclear attack on any nation

0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.520
<v Speaker 1>launched from Cuba would be viewed as a Soviet attack

0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.600
<v Speaker 1>on the United States, and the United States would retaliate

0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.279
<v Speaker 1>in kind. Kristef, for his part, insisted that these missiles

0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.400
<v Speaker 1>were just being placed there to defend Cuba from attack.

0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.159
<v Speaker 1>For the whole of the thirteen days of the Cuban

0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Missile crisis, the United States and the Soviet Union were

0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in an incredibly tense stalemate, with the US demanding that

0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union removed the missiles and the Soviet Union

0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:52.039
<v Speaker 1>both refusing and continuing construction on the missile sites. And

0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.960
<v Speaker 1>on October things were particularly bad. The US had been

0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.320
<v Speaker 1>at def Con too, with the armed forces ready to

0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.080
<v Speaker 1>launch an all out nuclear war for three days, and

0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.480
<v Speaker 1>then that day an American YouTube spy plane was shot

0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.000
<v Speaker 1>down by a Russian missile over Cuba and its pilot,

0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Major Rudolph Anderson, was killed. So the prevailing description of

0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the Cuban missile crisis is that for this entire time,

0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the world was on the brink of a nuclear war.

0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.839
<v Speaker 1>But there was also this other element of it going

0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.200
<v Speaker 1>on that wasn't known about until much later. There were

0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.120
<v Speaker 1>four Soviet submarines, each of them with a nuclear tipped

0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.200
<v Speaker 1>torpedo among their armaments, and they were on route to

0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Cuba as part of a submarine force that was going

0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to be stationed there. These were all Fox Trot class submarines,

0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and they were powered by a combination of diesel and

0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.120
<v Speaker 1>battery power. While they were submerged, they ran on their batteries,

0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and then they had to return to the surface periodically

0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to get recharged. Soviet navigators were exceptionally skilled at using

0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the varying temperatures of the ocean depths to avoid detection

0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:03.200
<v Speaker 1>on radar, but without periodically recharging the batteries on the surface,

0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.960
<v Speaker 1>where they were much more easy to spot, they could

0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:10.480
<v Speaker 1>not stay underwater. Their last instruction from Moscow had been

0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to hold position not far from Cuba, but they had

0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.520
<v Speaker 1>since lost contact and the vessels, themselves built for use

0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.760
<v Speaker 1>in colder waters, were not tolerating the warmer ocean near

0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Cuba very well. The air conditioning failed and the temperatures

0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.880
<v Speaker 1>in the subs started to rise well above a hundred degrees.

0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.760
<v Speaker 1>To make matters worse, they were running out of food

0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.159
<v Speaker 1>and water, and since they lost contact with Moscow, their

0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.000
<v Speaker 1>only way of finding out what was happening and whether

0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the United States and the Soviet Union had gone to

0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.640
<v Speaker 1>war was to listen to a civilian radio broadcast from Miami.

0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.840
<v Speaker 1>On the October, a spotter plane caught a glimpse of

0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the submarines near the surface of the ocean,

0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and late that afternoon American reconnaissance had detected the presence

0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of at least three Soviet submarines near Cuba. Ships that

0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.040
<v Speaker 1>were in the area as part of the quarantine started

0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to try to get the submarines to the surface by

0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.880
<v Speaker 1>dropping signaling charges into the ocean. There's a little bit

0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of discrepancy in accounts among the people who were actually there.

0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Some of them say that dropping four or five loud

0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.520
<v Speaker 1>but non damaging charges was an official signal to surface,

0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.400
<v Speaker 1>but others say that they were intentionally dropping these charges

0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to harass the submerged submarines and the hope of basically

0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.640
<v Speaker 1>forcing them up to the surface. Aboard the B fifty nine,

0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.680
<v Speaker 1>though the Soviets had no idea what was going on.

0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.800
<v Speaker 1>They had not gotten new orders from Moscow in more

0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.680
<v Speaker 1>than a week, and they were overheated, dehydrated, and exhausted

0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.960
<v Speaker 1>as battery power failed, life support systems did as well,

0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and the air aboard had less and less oxygen. They

0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't know if the explosions that they were hearing around

0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.440
<v Speaker 1>them could damage or destroy their craft, and their only

0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.200
<v Speaker 1>source of information was these American news report on the

0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.960
<v Speaker 1>civilian radio which were reporting the extreme tensions and fears

0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:09.040
<v Speaker 1>about the Cuban missile crisis. The commanders of these four

0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.600
<v Speaker 1>submarines had been authorized to use their nuclear tips torpedoes

0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.280
<v Speaker 1>if they were attacked, and aboard the B fifty nine,

0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Captain Valentine Stevitsky concluded that they were, and he gave

0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.320
<v Speaker 1>orders to prepare their nuclear torpedo, saying quote, we will die,

0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.120
<v Speaker 1>but we will sink them all. We will not disgrace

0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:34.160
<v Speaker 1>our navy. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. Savitsky had the agreement

0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.720
<v Speaker 1>of his other officers in launching the torpedo, but since

0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the B fifty nine was the flagship of the flotilla

0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.160
<v Speaker 1>bound for Cuba, it also carried the flotilla commander Vesiley Archipov.

0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Since Arkipov was aboard, they needed his approval as well,

0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and Arkipov refused, and he instead convinced Sevitsky to surface.

0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.520
<v Speaker 1>They got fresh air, they recharged their batteries, and at

0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the first opportunity some urged and slipped away, again, evading

0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:08.720
<v Speaker 1>American detection, before apparently returning to Soviet waters. Today, Arkibov

0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.480
<v Speaker 1>is generally regarded as a hero, as somebody who's clear

0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking prevented what surely would have been a full on

0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.200
<v Speaker 1>nuclear war, But on his return to the Soviet Union,

0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.440
<v Speaker 1>his decisions were heavily criticized. The general feeling was that

0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.480
<v Speaker 1>he and the rest of them should have gone down

0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.920
<v Speaker 1>with a ship. Arkipov later died of cancer, probably a

0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.520
<v Speaker 1>result of a previous incident aboard a submarine, which was

0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.439
<v Speaker 1>a near meltdown on the K nine team during its

0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.040
<v Speaker 1>maiden voyage that killed seven people who were aboard almost

0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.280
<v Speaker 1>immediately and then caused delayed effects for many of the

0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.040
<v Speaker 1>others who were been there. Basically, they averted a total

0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.000
<v Speaker 1>meltdown situation, but it was at a high cost. The

0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.600
<v Speaker 1>US was completely unaware that they had been dropping signaling

0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:58.000
<v Speaker 1>charges on a nuclear armed submarine until much later, and

0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the whole incident was little known until documents related to

0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.800
<v Speaker 1>it were declassified in n If you would like to

0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.440
<v Speaker 1>know more, there is a PBS Secrets of the Dead

0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.200
<v Speaker 1>episode about this whole incident that's called The Man Who

0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Saved the World. And to wrap up the Cuban missile crisis,

0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.840
<v Speaker 1>eventually the Soviet Union agreed to remove the missiles from

0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Cuba in exchange for a pledge that the United States

0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.120
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't invade the nation, something that the US had already

0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.600
<v Speaker 1>tried and failed to do during the Bay of Pigs

0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.760
<v Speaker 1>invasion in nineteen sixty one. And in another move that

0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't publicly known until decades later, the US also removed

0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:41.040
<v Speaker 1>its nuclear missiles from Turkey. I kind of imagine this

0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.559
<v Speaker 1>as as being like if you were if you were

0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.360
<v Speaker 1>throwing rocks at a tree and not hitting it, and

0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.400
<v Speaker 1>then you realized later that the tree had a big

0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.880
<v Speaker 1>old hornets nest inside. Like, that's sort of what was

0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.800
<v Speaker 1>going on with dropping signaling charges onto this nuclear armed

0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.800
<v Speaker 1>submarine full of people who were over exhausted, dehydrated and

0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.080
<v Speaker 1>not having enough oxygen. Yeah, but a hornet's nest that

0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.160
<v Speaker 1>could kill a lot of people. Yeah, a hornet's nest

0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that would destroy the entire world. So with that, Sterry thought,

0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.000
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a quick break, take a word from

0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a sponsor before we move on to our next story. Now,

0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.640
<v Speaker 1>we are going to move beyond the Cold War into

0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.480
<v Speaker 1>a story that's right on the cusp of our typical

0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.079
<v Speaker 1>window of history on the show. It took place in

0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.360
<v Speaker 1>three and as was the case with the Soviet submarine

0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.560
<v Speaker 1>B fifty nine, this also happened during a period of

0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.839
<v Speaker 1>heightened tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union.

0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the Cold War, both the US and the Soviet

0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Union were actively making plans for what they would do

0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.480
<v Speaker 1>if the others struck first in a nuclear attack, and

0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.840
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years in the early nineteen eighties,

0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yuri Andropov, general Secretary of the Communist Party of the

0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union, was particularly convinced that the US was making

0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.520
<v Speaker 1>definite plans for a nuclear attack that would devastate Soviet

0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.240
<v Speaker 1>leadership under his command. The Soviet Union was preparing for

0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a certainty not in eventuality. Both the US and the

0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union had also made it clear that a nuclear

0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.560
<v Speaker 1>strike by one would prompt an immediate and devastating response

0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:25.640
<v Speaker 1>from the other. In nine a series of incidents had

0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:30.360
<v Speaker 1>ratcheted up the general sense of nuclear paranoia. On March eighth,

0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.200
<v Speaker 1>President Ronald Reagan had delivered a speech arguing against a

0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.640
<v Speaker 1>proposed nuclear freeze, in which he called the Soviet Union

0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.520
<v Speaker 1>an evil empire. Later that month, he announced the missile

0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.959
<v Speaker 1>defense system that came to be known as star Wars.

0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Both nations undertook maneuvers and drills purportedly for the sake

0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.199
<v Speaker 1>of preparedness, but often they were interpreted by the other

0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.439
<v Speaker 1>as being anything from a threatening show of force to

0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a real effort to secretly lay the groundwork for an

0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.800
<v Speaker 1>upcoming World War three. And when our next incident took place,

0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the latest and probably most alarming of these was the

0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.440
<v Speaker 1>downing of Korean Air Flight zero zero seven. The commercial

0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.760
<v Speaker 1>flight was en route from New York to Seoul, with

0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a stop and anchorage to refuel. After leaving anchorage for

0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.160
<v Speaker 1>reasons that aren't entirely clear, the flight diverged from its

0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:26.160
<v Speaker 1>planned course and wound up in Soviet airspace. The Soviet Union,

0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.800
<v Speaker 1>apparently believing it was a US spy plane, scrambled two

0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.160
<v Speaker 1>fighter jets, which attacked the plane with air to air missiles.

0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.600
<v Speaker 1>The flight crashed into the sea, killing all two hundred

0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and sixty nine people of board, one of whom was

0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:45.520
<v Speaker 1>US Representative Larry McDonald of Georgia. The incident sparked international

0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.280
<v Speaker 1>outrage and a slew of conspiracy theories, some of which

0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.360
<v Speaker 1>still persists today. The Soviet Union did not help the

0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.880
<v Speaker 1>matter by being incredibly secretive about the incident at first,

0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.360
<v Speaker 1>not even admitting that it had happened, and not feeling

0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.239
<v Speaker 1>whether it had found the wreckage or flight BATA recorders.

0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.720
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the details remained completely unknown to the

0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.160
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world until after the collapse of the

0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union, and some of the details are still a mystery.

0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Three weeks after the incident, with Flight zero zero seven.

0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:21.320
<v Speaker 1>On September, Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov of the Soviet Air

0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Defense Forces was stationed in a bunker known as Serpikov fifteen,

0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.520
<v Speaker 1>which was part of the Soviet Union's newly enabled early

0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:33.880
<v Speaker 1>warning satellite defense network. At Serpakov fifteen, satellite intelligence was

0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.880
<v Speaker 1>received and analyzed, and in the case of an attack,

0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.800
<v Speaker 1>there was a telephone with a direct line to commanding officers.

0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Petrov's job there was so secret that not even his

0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.320
<v Speaker 1>wife knew where he worked or what he did. At

0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.480
<v Speaker 1>this point, both the United States and the Soviet Union

0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.440
<v Speaker 1>each had satellite systems that were meant to help keep

0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.480
<v Speaker 1>watch for the launch of intercontinental ballistic missiles. From the other,

0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.160
<v Speaker 1>United State satellites basically looked down on the Earth from above,

0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.040
<v Speaker 1>but on the Soviet side, the satellites looked at the

0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.880
<v Speaker 1>planet on edge. They were looking for missiles after they

0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.560
<v Speaker 1>had already been launched. It would sort of be silhouetted

0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.400
<v Speaker 1>against the black the background of space. In theory, this

0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.720
<v Speaker 1>minimized the number of natural phenomena and other non threatening

0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:24.240
<v Speaker 1>human activities that could cause a false alarm. But on September,

0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.200
<v Speaker 1>just after midnight local time, a false alarm did indeed happen,

0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.720
<v Speaker 1>most likely thanks to some light reflecting off of high

0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:37.240
<v Speaker 1>altitude clouds. The system detected the presence of at first

0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.840
<v Speaker 1>one missile, but in moments that number grew to five,

0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.880
<v Speaker 1>all launched from the United States. The warning of the

0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.560
<v Speaker 1>detected incoming missile strike played out within the Serpico fifteen

0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.480
<v Speaker 1>bunker like something out of a movie. They were blaring

0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.960
<v Speaker 1>alarms and warnings in huge red letters on the screens.

0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.360
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever seen a nuclear disas st movie in

0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.600
<v Speaker 1>which the launch happens and it's met with like giant

0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.880
<v Speaker 1>whaling Claxon's and the words launched in big red, flashing

0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.920
<v Speaker 1>letters on the screen, and you've thought, man, that looks ridiculous.

0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Apparently that's really what happened. It looked exactly like that.

0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Protocol was for Petrov to immediately contact his superior officers

0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.800
<v Speaker 1>to report that the launch had been detected, but he

0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.760
<v Speaker 1>had some doubts that the report was accurate. This system

0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.200
<v Speaker 1>was brand new, and in his opinion, it had been

0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.640
<v Speaker 1>rushed into use when it was still in his words,

0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:39.920
<v Speaker 1>raw five also seemed like an unusually low number of

0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.800
<v Speaker 1>missiles for a preemptive nuclear strike. He would later say, quote,

0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.440
<v Speaker 1>when people start a war, they don't start. They don't

0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.360
<v Speaker 1>start it with only five missiles. You can do little

0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.840
<v Speaker 1>damage with just five missiles. So instead of contacting his

0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.120
<v Speaker 1>superior officers to say that a nuclear strike was incoming,

0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.400
<v Speaker 1>he called to report a false alarm. Even as he did,

0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.840
<v Speaker 1>though he wasn't completely sure that he was right. It

0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't until the missiles in question failed to reach the

0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union that he knew for sure that his hunch

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.760
<v Speaker 1>had been correct. Yeah, he was, like, I thought it

0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.800
<v Speaker 1>was maybe fifty fifty. And he also later theorized that

0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.080
<v Speaker 1>if someone else had been on duty, it would not

0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.960
<v Speaker 1>have been the same call. By his own account, though,

0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.760
<v Speaker 1>after this was all over, he went home, he drank

0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.919
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of vodka, and he slept for more

0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.040
<v Speaker 1>than twenty four consecutive hours. As with the submarine B

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.479
<v Speaker 1>fifty nine, the details of this incident only became public

0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.800
<v Speaker 1>much later. At the time, Petrov himself got no recognition

0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.080
<v Speaker 1>within the Soviet Union for what he had done, and

0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the crisis averted under his watch. However, after an investigation,

0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.480
<v Speaker 1>he did get a reprimand for not keeping a detailed

0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.359
<v Speaker 1>enough log about what had happened. His explanation was that

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.560
<v Speaker 1>he had a phone in one hand and the facilities

0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.119
<v Speaker 1>intercom in the other, and he couldn't juggle both at

0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.159
<v Speaker 1>once and also take notes. In the aftermath of all this,

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the computer program that was designed to filter out natural

0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.879
<v Speaker 1>phenomena another noise from the early warning systems results was

0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.000
<v Speaker 1>rewritten to account for this combination of sun and high

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.560
<v Speaker 1>altitude clouds. The world learned of Petrov's actions about fifteen

0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.320
<v Speaker 1>years later when his commanding officer wrote about it in

0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 1>his memoir. His wife learned of it when a reporter

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.560
<v Speaker 1>came to their home. Following the publication of that memoir,

0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.640
<v Speaker 1>a documentary about this whole incident came out in which

0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.919
<v Speaker 1>was called The Man Who Saved the World. That is

0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:39.199
<v Speaker 1>not an error. It is the same name as the

0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.760
<v Speaker 1>one about the submarine. And we're gonna take another quick

0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:51.359
<v Speaker 1>break before we talked through one more of these. The

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.240
<v Speaker 1>last of these incidents that we are going to talk

0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>about today is way more recent than we generally get

0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.159
<v Speaker 1>into this on show. And we have kind of a

0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.760
<v Speaker 1>rule of thumb window, you know, it's this is definitely

0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 1>newer than that. But as I was going through the

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly many events of this type. It stood out for

0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.480
<v Speaker 1>reasons that are going to become clear. By this point,

0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union had dissolved, so the nuclear superpowers at

0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.080
<v Speaker 1>play where the United States and Russia. And we have

0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.560
<v Speaker 1>a little less detail on this one than we did

0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.040
<v Speaker 1>on the other two Empire because any United States documents

0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>pertaining to it are probably still classified. On January, Russian

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>radar operators near the coast spotted a fast moving object

0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.399
<v Speaker 1>that appeared to be a missile. It was over the

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Barents Sea, roughly between Russia's northern coast and the Arctic Ocean,

0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and then as it moved, the objects separated into multiple pieces.

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.360
<v Speaker 1>It was behaving like a trident missile, and judging from

0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>where it originated, it could have been launched from a

0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.639
<v Speaker 1>U S submarine. The radar technicians fear that this was

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.359
<v Speaker 1>an American nuclear warheads set to detonate high in the

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.680
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and to put all of Russians of Russia's early

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.359
<v Speaker 1>warning satellite system, which was still being maintained in spite

0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of the end of the Cold War, out of commission.

0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.679
<v Speaker 1>That system, though had not detected any launches, but it

0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.120
<v Speaker 1>was also primarily focused on missile sites in North America,

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.359
<v Speaker 1>there was apparently also some cloud cover. The satellite operators

0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.359
<v Speaker 1>notified their commanding officers that a suspected lodge was in

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the works. In the United States, Russia and other nations

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.359
<v Speaker 1>that have nuclear weapons, especially outfitted satchel, known as the

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.840
<v Speaker 1>nuclear briefcase, accompanies the head of state. The briefcase is

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 1>actual contents are secret, and the US version weighs about

0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 1>forty five pounds. Its purpose is to make sure the

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.159
<v Speaker 1>head of state has all the necessary documentation on hand,

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 1>while also allowing them to receive information, make decisions, and

0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>if necessary, order a nuclear strike. The US has also

0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.800
<v Speaker 1>noted that part of the briefcase's purpose is being able

0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.120
<v Speaker 1>to identify that it really is the president making the call.

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Russia had a clear protocol in the event of a

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>missile launch, first signal the president's nuclear briefcase at this point,

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:21.920
<v Speaker 1>accompanying President Boris Yeltson, then assess the situation, and within

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:26.400
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes make a decision on whether to retaliate. According

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to Russian defense protocols, incoming missiles didn't have to actually

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:35.719
<v Speaker 1>strike anything before the retaliatory strike was ordered. In spite

0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.720
<v Speaker 1>of the discrepancy between what the radar operators in the

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.879
<v Speaker 1>early warning satellites were reporting. About five minutes into that

0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 1>ten minute window, word went out to submarine commanders in

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the area to maintain a state of readiness and prepare

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.479
<v Speaker 1>for further instruction. Eight minutes into the ten minute window,

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the mystery objects on the radar fell into the sea

0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and everyone thankfully stood down. And the culprit in this

0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 1>case was the Black Brand twelve. A sounding rocket, which

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>is a scientific rocket used to take measurements and conduct tests.

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>A sounding rocket typically has a rocket and a payload

0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 1>designed to separate from it at a certain altitude. Often,

0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 1>once it's taken its measurements or conducted its experiment, the

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 1>payload portion comes back to Earth with its descent slowed

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 1>down by a parachute. That separation of the instruments and

0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the payload from the rocket is what the radar detectors

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>had interpreted as the separation of a trident missile. It

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.439
<v Speaker 1>was really a Norwegian rocket that was being used to

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>study the northern lights. Uh. And where it gets Yeah,

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 1>where it gets a little un nerving is that um.

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.639
<v Speaker 1>The Norwegian and American team that was responsible for this

0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.400
<v Speaker 1>thing had notified multiple other countries, including Russia, of what

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:54.880
<v Speaker 1>was about to happen. But nobody had told these satellite

0:22:54.920 --> 0:23:00.000
<v Speaker 1>operators who raised the alarm about it. And apparently nobody

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 1>made the connection between this report of a launch from

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the coast and the launch of a scientific rocket that

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 1>was already known to everyone, like nobody connected those two

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.920
<v Speaker 1>things together. However, the thing that made this so notable

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and made me want to include it in today's episode

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>in spite of its recency, is it's the only known

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 1>time in world history that Ahead of State has actually

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>activated their nuclear briefcase. I can't help but think how

0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 1>frustrating it would be for the science team to be like,

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>we did everything right and yet and yet literally told

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you inadvertently, we could have set off like a horrible

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:46.880
<v Speaker 1>global incident, despite having gone through the checklist and done

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>everything we were supposed to uh To our knowledge, there

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>is no movie or TV show about this particular incident yet,

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>But since this incident was about ten minutes of a

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>long and sometimes controversial political career for Boris Yelton, they

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>will probably title it something besides the Man who Saved

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the World, although you never know. Maybe so maybe that's

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 1>just the title of all nearly near all incidents of

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>of of just barely averting nuclear's catastrophe, they will all

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>be called the man who saved the world. That does

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>seem to definitely be the pattern. Do you have a

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:30.880
<v Speaker 1>listener mail for us? Sure do. It's from Julie uh

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and Julie has written to us. This is from a

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit ago. I was out of the office for

0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a while on the vacation that prompted this episode, so

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I have some things in the inbox that are from

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.679
<v Speaker 1>older episodes, and this one is from Julie and it

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>is following our episode on Jamaica's Maroon Wars, which is

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>a Dear Holly and Tracy, my name is Julie. Like

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>so many other fans of your podcast, I was like

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 1>forward to Mondays and Wednesdays to listen to your latest episodes.

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm an Acadian French Canadian group mainly from the maritime

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>provinces of can Nada, from New Brunswick, Canada and currently

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 1>live in Ottawa, at the nation's capital. While I greatly

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>appreciated learning a bit of Jamaican history during your Jamaica's

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Maroon Wars episode, I didn't expect to drop parallels with

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 1>my own personal history. About forty years prior to the

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>maroons deportation to Halifax, Nova Scotia, the Acadians who were

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 1>living in the area of what are now the provinces

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.639
<v Speaker 1>of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island faced

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 1>their own deportation under the British rule starting in seventeen

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>fifty five. Villages and crops are destroyed. His families were

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>separated and forced onto boats. Their destinations varied between New England,

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Ports England, France and even the Caribbean. You can imagine

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>my shock at the irony of these circumstances being repeated.

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>And I was listening to the turn of events for

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the Maroons. And like the Maroons, the Acadian people's history

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.360
<v Speaker 1>is one of resistance and resilience. As some Acadians my

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>ancestors included, uh, we're able to hide from the deportation

0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:00.160
<v Speaker 1>with the help of the mcmac allies the low cool

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>indigenous population. In addition, several years following the deportation of

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 1>many Acadians made the long trek back to Akadia to resettle.

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Some groups decided to start a new life in the

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 1>colony of Louisiana. Where they came, where they became known

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>as the Cajuns. Kadians today are very proud our legacy

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>culture and French language, and more than happy to share

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 1>more information if you'd like to explore a Kadian history

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>as a potential episode topic. Keep up the excellent work

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 1>because we have so much to learn from our different histories,

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>as well as the connections where we least expect them.

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Love from your Canadian neighbor, Julie, Thank you so much, Julie.

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to read this for a couple of reasons.

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>One is that it was not quite within my brain

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 1>um that the deportation of Maroons to Halifax was in

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>such relatively close proximity to the expulsion of the Acadians.

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.679
<v Speaker 1>But we have had a number of folks ask for

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>an episode about the expulsion of the Acadians, and it

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is on the list. I just want to note that

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>it's on the list, been on the list pretty much

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>from day one of us coming on for sure, four

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>years on the list. It's a it's one of the

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>similarly to the Executive Order six episode that we did

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty recently, it is such a big topic. It's size

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and scope have meant that has been on the list

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, and I'm not sure when it's

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna make up to the top of the list because

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>it is a a big one to get into you,

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>but it is on the list for the folks who

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>have asked, um if you would like to write to

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>us about this certain either podcast or history podcast that

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>how stuff Works dot com. And we're also under the

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>name missed in History all over social media, so that's Facebook, Twitter, Tumbler, Pinterest, Instagram,

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. For missed in History, you can come

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to our parent company's website, which is how stuff Works

0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>dot com. Uh. You can learn so much about how

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>clear weapons work at how stuff Works, there's a lot

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of it. You can go into our our website which

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 1>is missing history dot com. You will find show notes

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 1>about all of the episodes that Holly and I have

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 1>worked on together. You will find an archive of every episode. Ever,

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is searchable, so about of the time, Uh,

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>if there's a particular subject you want to see if

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 1>we've covered it will come up in search. The other

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>one percent of the time we are working on tagging

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>or or tweaking the title or something to make it

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>more easily searchable, so you can do all that and

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more at how stuff works dot com

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>or missed in History dot com. For more on this

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>and thousands of other topics, is it how stuff works

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>dot com.