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Speaker 1: the Eagles who just lose on Monday Night Football to

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Speaker 1: They are now eight and five. The Chargers are nine

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Speaker 1: and four. Somehow win a game with no o line,

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Speaker 1: see this coming. Now. I took the Chargers money line

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Speaker 1: in this game, but it was more just like kind

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Speaker 1: of being counterculture. I don't even necessarily know if I

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Speaker 1: never really believed that the Eagles were going to lose

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Speaker 1: tonight's a great example of I mean, Jalen through four interceptions,

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Speaker 1: One is clearly on AJ Brown, who's whenever his commercial

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Speaker 1: going to keep saying this and I've defended him, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So your passing weapons are top notch for NFL standards, right,

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Speaker 1: And the continue to call passes tonight felt a little frustrating,

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Speaker 1: fascinated to watch the way this shakes out. But props

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Speaker 1: to the Chargers for pulling this game out of their

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Speaker 1: ass because I thought they were in major, major trouble.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the Chargers, their former quarterback Philip Rivers. He

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Speaker 1: turned forty four years old today. As Adam Schefter tweeted out,

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Speaker 1: he is a grandfather. Let me repeat, he is a

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Speaker 1: grand father. So Philip Rivers will conduct a workout tomorrow

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Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. And on a lighter note, that's

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Speaker 1: just pretty cool that that just makes me smile, Like

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Speaker 1: that story is one that's just kind of fun. There

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Speaker 1: is no way on God's green Earth that Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. I'll just use those

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Speaker 1: three guys for examples. Aren't a little jealous if you

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00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: don't think like Drew Brees. Definitely, Tom would just like

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Speaker 1: their phone to ring, even if they would say no,

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00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: to be like, hey man, anyway you could make it

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Speaker 1: to Indie on Tuesday morning. We got some quarterback issues.

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Speaker 1: Our backups are both injured. Our starter has a broken

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Speaker 1: leg and a torn achilles. We got problems. We're eight

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Speaker 1: and five, so it's not like we're, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: two and ten. Here would you work out? Would Tom

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Speaker 1: say no? Would Tom say no? I think he might

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Speaker 1: say yes. He might turn them down if they offered

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00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: him the gig, but I think he would fly there

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Speaker 1: just to get the sweat in. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty cool moment. Obviously, Philip has played there, so he knows.

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard. I think it was two years ago. John

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Speaker 1: Lynch said that when Perdy messed up his arm, if

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Speaker 1: they had made the Super Bowl, they were already planning

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Speaker 1: on calling Philip rivers. So that's fun. I also think

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of an indictment to the situation

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Speaker 1: in which they found themselves in. We were talking about

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Speaker 1: this offline earlier or last night after we did the

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Speaker 1: show that you know, Chris Ballard, I've said this forever.

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Speaker 1: I respect people that are aggressive in life. You know,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Munger has this thing when you have an advantage,

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Speaker 1: bet big. So anyone who puts all their chips in

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Speaker 1: the table when they have an advantage or they think

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Speaker 1: they have an advantage, whether it's in business, in poker,

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Speaker 1: you know, running a football team. I'll tip my hat

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Speaker 1: to you. There are no guarantees in life. There's only

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Speaker 1: a couple, right, death and taxes. So even when you

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Speaker 1: do have an advantage and you bet big, doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it can't blow up in your face. And I think

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, looking back, I think he has operated recently

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Speaker 1: a little bit more out of desperation than thinking he

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Speaker 1: had an advantage. A couple of years ago, he takes

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richson, a guy that had thirteen career starts in

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Speaker 1: college and for the most part wasn't that good and

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Speaker 1: was an enormous risk. A couple years later, clearly blows

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Speaker 1: up in his face and he essentially has to bench him.

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Speaker 1: But then the guy that saves his what looked like

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00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: career at the time, Chris Ballard's is a player that

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Speaker 1: for years most people agreed, like NFL analysts, NFL players,

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Speaker 1: NFL coaches, fans is not a very good player in

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And then he has a stretch of like

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Speaker 1: five or six games where he just looks pretty capable

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Speaker 1: and the team's winning, the running back is going nuts,

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Speaker 1: and Chris Poward goes, we got something here, and right

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Speaker 1: before you know, the trade deadline ends, he makes I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say the biggest, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: there aren't that many in season trades for a player

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Speaker 1: that cost you two first rounds, two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: and the guy's making ninety million dollars. That is a

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Speaker 1: massive bet. But the moment he made that bet, I remember.

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Speaker 1: My take was he bet that, like Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: going to be his quarterback for the next several years.

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Speaker 1: He made that bet on Sas Gardner, and Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: wasn't even under contract for twenty twenty six. He hadn't

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Speaker 1: even given him a seventeen game sample size on his

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Speaker 1: own team. You could argue it was borderline reckless more

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Speaker 1: than it was super aggressive, like you don't really know

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Speaker 1: what you have in Daniel Jones. Let's see this thing

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Speaker 1: play out. Let's see as you play better teams. Let's

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Speaker 1: see as you come down the stretch, Let's see as

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Speaker 1: you go outside. Let's see how he looks in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, the worst case scenario happens. He breaks his leg,

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Speaker 1: and clearly, I don't even know how anyone would argue

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Speaker 1: this the you know, the mechanisms in which your legs work,

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Speaker 1: the pressure it puts on the other leg. That a

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00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: couple weeks later he tears achilles. So now you have

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Speaker 1: a guy that's not even under contract next year with

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Speaker 1: a broken leg and a torn achilles in late December,

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Speaker 1: which I'd say that's not Chris Ballard's fault, but you

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Speaker 1: were also betting on that player essentially like he was

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Speaker 1: a Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, like an elite player. Because

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna make one of those trades, you think

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Speaker 1: you have a team led by a quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay has done that, and he did it with

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff, and even by the end he was out

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Speaker 1: on Jared Goff. But Jared Goff has proven like he's

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Speaker 1: a high end quarterback. If Jared Goff was your quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you would feel comfortable doing something like that. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of Lions fans have said why don't we get

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Speaker 1: more aggressive? And you could have made the argument for

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Speaker 1: whoever the guy is, you should be more aggressive when

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Speaker 1: you have a Jared Goff He's not Joe Mon Hannah,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but he's a really good player that you

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Speaker 1: know is gonna be your starting quarterback for years. Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard and the Colts could not have known that about

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. He literally wasn't under contract next year and

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Speaker 1: we hadn't seen him play in real meaningful games. What

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Speaker 1: was he What if you're one and done in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: would you still do that same deal in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Probably not. So he made a big bet, like it's

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Speaker 1: not his fault that Sas Gardner or Daniel Jones are injured.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you look at the way that

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Speaker 1: his mind worked to go about that deal, it was

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Speaker 1: a little flawed. And they're in complete chambles right now.

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Speaker 1: They're depending on a forty four year old Philip Rivers,

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Speaker 1: which I hope, I mean the forty nine ers play

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Speaker 1: them in a couple weeks. Sign me up to watch

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers play the forty nine ers. Sign me up

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Speaker 1: to watch Philip Rivers play some of these games. I'm in.

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Speaker 1: I'm in. I wish if you told me whatever time

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Speaker 1: it was Tuesday morning that the Philip Rivers workout was live,

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00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent tune in, it would get

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Speaker 1: NFL network ESPN, it would do good ratings. We'd watch.

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Speaker 1: I used to be the guy my first year in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, guys like Philip Rivers. I would go pick

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Speaker 1: him up at the hotel and then I'd bring him

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00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: over to you know, usually get some sort of physical

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Speaker 1: meet with the trainers, give him whatever he needed, water,

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00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: some breakfast or whatever, and kind of take him out

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00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: to the workout before the coaches and Howie Roseman came

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Speaker 1: out to the indoor bubble to then watch the guy

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Speaker 1: work out. That's what's gonna happen tomorrow. Now, it's gonna

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00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: be a much more serious workout than just your typical

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Speaker 1: Tuesday workout throughout the league of some dbs or wide

557
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: receivers or offensive linemen. And this guy might be a

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback, which would be insane. He's been coaching high

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00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: school football even if he has been working out. And

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00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: clearly I respect Philip his love of football. I've always

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Speaker 1: said I wished he would have gone into broadcasting, because

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00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: no one like this guy likes football like John Gruden

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00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: likes football. It's like all he thinks about and talks about.

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: It's like his life. It's like his blood. But when

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00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: you're in this position, it shows you they're in major,

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00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: major trouble, man major trouble. And if you had to

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Speaker 1: bet on a horse right now, Houston or Indy, I

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00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: don't think you can find a soul in America that

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Speaker 1: would bet on this indie situation. So you make some bets.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, you can make big bets when you

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00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: have good information and it fail. But when you make

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00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: bets a little out of desperation, and let's be real,

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Speaker 1: I know their record was good, but Daniel Jones was

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Speaker 1: still your quarterback. Everyone was like, oh, I love this

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Speaker 1: deal for the Colts. I remember my reaction was like,

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00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: this seems crazy. This seems a little reckless. Chris Ballard

577
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: feels like the guy who was just always saying saving money,

578
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: always saving money, always saving money. He's like, I'm gonna

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00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: buy like one day, I'm gonna buy a big home.

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Speaker 1: And then you're like, Chris, where'd all your money go?

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00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: He's like, bought a Lamborghini, Like what you did? What?

582
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: And it's just like out of left field. And that's

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Speaker 1: what his personnel decisions kind of feel like. And whether

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00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: it's the daughter influencing him, because she even was quoted

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Speaker 1: like go.

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00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: For it, Like are you were.

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Speaker 1: You really going for it with Daniel Jones and Sauce Gardner,

588
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: Like that's not exactly like Steve Young and Deon Sanders.

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00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I just think that's it looks awful now in hindsight,

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00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: there's no really arguing that a couple other things. Dia

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Speaker 1: almost a Diana Shador has been named the starter for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the year, obviously. I mean you just

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00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: he's made like two or three passes this year in

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Speaker 1: his couple of games that Dylan Gabriel couldn't even I

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00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: actually think this is really bad for the Browns front

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00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: office and coaching staff. Like I actually think this announcement,

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00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: which of course they were gonna announce this, what are

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00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: they gonna do? Go back to Dylan Gabriel. They're gonna

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00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: be in position because they're awful and they might lose

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00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: out to take Fernando Mendoza or take Dante More take

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Speaker 1: a quarterback really high in what world if I was

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam, could I trust your guy's evaluations because I

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00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: just saw you guys take a guy in the third round,

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00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: which isn't nothing for a quarterback, and I think we'd

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00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: all agree. Again, nice kid, not an NFL player. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I bet if you just asked most gms, especially on

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Speaker 1: the good teams, if they were talking about him like

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00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. You took him in the third

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Speaker 1: round and immediately your fifth round quarterback like two games

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00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: in looks like Tom Brady compared to him. That's like

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00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: abal pract that just can't happen. And listen, you make

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00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: mistakes in the draft, everyone does, Ron Wolf, Bill Pollian

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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: like Hall of Fame gms with okay, but the Dylan

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00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Gabriel thing at the time was like universally agreed upon.

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00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: This is insane, even if they at Chador didn't even exist.

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Speaker 1: Let's say he didn't even exist as a human being.

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00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: You just took Dylan Gabriel in the third round. That's

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00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: like a fireable offense in itself. Like what, I do

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Speaker 1: you know the amount of Oregon fans that I know,

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Speaker 1: I remember texting last year because you watched him, Like God,

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Speaker 1: Dylan's kind of slinging around all of them. Be like,

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Speaker 1: he's an awesome college player, good in this offense, not

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Speaker 1: an NFL guy. Everyone random fans knew that, so I

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Speaker 1: have these two IVY League guys running my operation. Clearly

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00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: the head coach doesn't like Shador. I mean, we don't

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00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: even need to debate that at the moment, But how

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00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: can I trust you because I've seen you with the quarterbacks?

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00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: I don't totally like Deshaun's just terrible. I think Bill

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00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: Walsh could have coached him and it wouldn't have gone well,

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Speaker 1: but it couldn't have gotten much worse when you were

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Speaker 1: coaching him. The one thing I think we have to

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00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: admit is Kevin Stefanski's not very adaptable when it comes

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00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks, right. He kind of is looking for one thing,

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00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: and clearly what he's looking for. If you give him

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00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: like Matt Ryan in his prime, yeah, probably work, but

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00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't really exist. Like sometimes you got to adapt

637
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: your offense and your talents to what you're dealing with.

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00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: And the Dalan Gabriel thing is a clear indictment of

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00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: your evaluation skills, which are clearly atrocious. Okay, last, but

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00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: not least, the Heisman finalists have been announced. I have

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00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: no clue how the Ohio State quarterbacks going. I know

642
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: the Heisman like the MVP has kind of turned into

643
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: a quarterback Award, But I think we'd all agree that

644
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: Julian Saying is probably not a top five player on

645
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: his own team. I mean, from an NFL prospect standpoint,

646
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: he's not even a top ten player. But I get it,

647
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: quarterback one of the best teams. But that seems crazy

648
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: to me. The other three guys are very deserving. You know,

649
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love has a chance to be a star in

650
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's been a star in college. He's a badass,

651
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: and he's a legit Heisman candidate. And to me, if

652
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: they had won a couple of those early games, I

653
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: think you could easily give it to him. What Diego

654
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Diego Pavia did for Vanderbilt is one of the most

655
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Speaker 1: incredible resurrections you'll ever see. It's kind of reminds me

656
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: of Andrew Luck at Stanford. Took over a dog shit

657
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: academic football program. I mean, they were dead in the water,

658
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: and by the time he's leaving their ten and two

659
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: and I mean on the precipice and right there to

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. It truly is these last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: If you gave him the Heisman, no one would argue.

662
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: And if Fernando Mendoza and the Indiana Hoosiers didn't exist.

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Speaker 1: I think he would win it. But when you watch

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Speaker 1: that game on Saturday night with Fernando Mendoz, I actually

665
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: think you learn more about a guy in a spot

666
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: where that first place. I was thinking about this because

667
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I saw him getting an interviewed today on Pat McAfee.

668
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: The first play of the game, he said I had

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00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: never been hit that hard, and he got his wind

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00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: knocked out of him. He said he couldn't breathe, and

671
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: I think most people he's lying on the ground. You

672
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: kind of thought, you know, Colt McCoy, brock Purdy, you

673
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Speaker 1: lose the quarterback, that the game is just irrelevant. You know,

674
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: Indiana would have no chance to beat Ohio State comes

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Speaker 1: back in a couple of plays later after his brother

676
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: comes in. I even thought in the first half, I

677
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: know his stats weren't that great. I'm like, he's showing

678
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: some pretty good boxy and toughness here and he's just

679
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of feeling his way out. He lost his you know,

680
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: some might say his best receiver, second best wide receiver.

681
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: He's just kind of feeling his way and he didn't

682
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: make any huge mistakes, right, He didn't knock their team

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00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: out of the game, but there were a couple of

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Speaker 1: throws where he changed arms angles with a blitzer in

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00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: his face. Obviously a couple of those deep balls. I thought,

686
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: from an NFL scouting perspective, like that was pretty impressive.

687
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: And I know he's a little goof here, you know,

688
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins, But if you watch the way his

689
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: teammates on the dais and where Klatt is given the

690
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: U the Championship trophy and the you know, game MVP

691
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: trophy to him, the way they embraced him and got

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00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: so excited, and the smiles up there with his guys,

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00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Like this is not one of those Kevin Costner movies

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Speaker 1: when no one shows up at his birthday. Clearly they

695
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: like him a lot, and you know a lot of

696
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: times in sports you're gonna like your best player. But

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00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: it felt pretty genuine to me. And you know what

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00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: he did for them this year to beat Oregon, to

699
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: beat Ohio State, I would say those two games alone

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00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: from an NFL perspective, like that's if the season ended

701
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: to day and he didn't play again, he would kind

702
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: of have seen enough, like he would have done enough

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00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: to me to be a top five ISH player, and

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00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: you know, let's face it, if you're a top five

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Speaker 1: ISH player quarterback, you're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Go number one overall.

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Speaker 1: And his athleticism, his arm strength. Clearly he's a bright guy.

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00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: He's an optimistic guy. Anyone that saw the story about

709
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: his mom, that's pretty powerful. I mean, I can't imagine

710
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: going through that at that age. I've just I was

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Speaker 1: blown away. I was really impressed. Not that I wasn't

712
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Speaker 1: a fan, but watching him against that team, against that defense,

713
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Speaker 1: and he was telling Pat McAfee today, he's like, it

714
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Speaker 1: should it's not even fair going up against Matt Patricia

715
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Speaker 1: calling with those defensive players and with him and his

716
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator just found a way. And it also shows

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00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: you the power of good play calling. Wide receivers coming

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Speaker 1: down with the ball. You know, a lot of stuff's

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00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: out of the hands of a quarterback. You know, Jalen

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Speaker 1: threw some bad picks tonight, but he also threw a

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00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 1: ball that hit AJ Brown in the hands. But AJ

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00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: knew that he was about to get hit and he

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00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of he just let it go. Well, Aj, this

724
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: isn't he's not allowed to hit you. Like Ronnie Lott.

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00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: This isn't nineteen ninety six. But as I'm not getting

726
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: hit in the ribs, not for this guy. And that's

727
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Speaker 1: a whole other conversation we can get in kind of later.

728
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Speaker 1: But I think Fernando Mendoza, he's gonna win the Heisman.

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00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the most important football player in the

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00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: history of Indiana football. Obviously, I mean led them to

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Speaker 1: the number one overall seed winning the Heisman. What happened

732
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: or not herb Street, but Aikman mentioned tonight, like what

733
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: Signettian happened at that program over the last two years

734
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: is nothing short of incredible. It really is. And let's

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Speaker 1: face it, they got Mendoza in the transfer portal because

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Speaker 1: obviously his brother's on the team. So they had an

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00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: in which I'm sure happens a lot in transfer portals. Right,

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Speaker 1: you have it in with the guy's high school teammate,

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00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: you have a guy's you have an end with the

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00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: guys you know high school coach, you have an in

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00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: because you know the guy's dad. Like there's obviously sometimes

742
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: transfer portals, if you're just offering a lot of money,

743
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: you can get guys blind. But the relationships and connections

744
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: still matter. But looking back if people no way his

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00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: value on the open market. I mean, Carson Beck got

746
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: like four million dollars. People were beating down the drums

747
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: for some of these guys the last couple of years,

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00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: and that was just not the case with this guy.

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Speaker 1: And you got to give Signetti a lot of credit

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00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: for isolating him. You got to give this, you know,

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00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Fernando a lot of credit for getting up to speed

752
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: with these wide receivers. And he went from a guy that,

753
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, interesting prospect, guy to watch to more than

754
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: likely gonna win the Heisman Trophy, gonna potentially be the

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick. And if I was him in

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00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Cleveland wanted to draft me, I would refuse to go.

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00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: If I was him and some of these teams that

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00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: are awful wanted to draft me, I would refuse to go.

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00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't go. Like if listen, I like John

760
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Spytek a lot, but if like Pete Carroll's still there,

761
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: like I'm not going there. I'm I'm not doing that,

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00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: you know. And this that's the whole conversation we can

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00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: get into a little later. But I mean, you look

764
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: at some of these teams that are gonna need a quarterback, high.

765
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm out, Doug, I'm out. You know, even Caleb give

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00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: I think some of the things that happened leading up

767
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: to the draft process were a little egregious. But the

768
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: one thing they were right on is like Ebraflus the Bears,

769
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: and they were right now once they got Ben Johnson

770
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: gonna change his life potentially, so it does matter a lot.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Fernando Mendoza, Kurtz Signetti, what an incredible story. Today,

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00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little mailback at John Middlecoy at

773
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. It's just my instagram DMS wide open thought

774
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: we would, you know, bang out ten questions and just

775
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: see what you guys got cooking out there in your

776
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: football mind. So again it's just my Instagram DMS wide open,

777
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: and we do a mail bag like three or four

778
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: times a week. We will start with Trent. My question

779
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: is this. I know you said mac Jones is worth

780
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: a lot to the Niners, but with the unfortunate injury

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00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: to Daniel Jones, I think I'd be willing to send

782
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: him there for two. The Colts decided to go all

783
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: in for the sauce trade, so they don't have much capital,

784
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: but it's hard to go all in and then run

785
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Richinson out there. It's also better for the Niners

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00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: than sending him to Minnesota or Arizona. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the content. I do think after this year, I mean

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00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm recording this going into the Titan game. I think

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00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: if they win that game, it's very hard to see

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00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: them not be a playoff team and mac Jones will

791
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: have the essentially, I mean it's crazy that they could

792
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: still technically be the one seed seems a little unlikely.

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00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: I will be a little stunned at this point if

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00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: they win the division, but that they have a home

795
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: game remaining with with Seattle their four and one in

796
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: the division, they would not be where they are without

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00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: mac Jones. I mean we saw last year they had

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00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen as their backup when Perdy got banged up

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Speaker 1: and it was a nightmare. Was that two years ago

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Speaker 1: they went to Green Bay. I mean, he like couldn't

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00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: even function. And when you have the right backup, you

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00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: see it with the Texans. The Texans I think went

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00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: two and one when CJ. Stroud was injured. Well, Davis

804
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: mill is like a legitimate NFL player. Is he a

805
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: future starter? I mean I think someone's gonna eventually give

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00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: him a shot, but he's gonna be in the league

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00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: for a long long time. And when you have a

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00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: guy like that, they can keep your head above water.

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00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: And mac Jones did more than that. I mean, he

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00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: played really really well. So you know, perty now like

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Speaker 1: he had a major, major shoulder or elbow injury. Now,

812
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: he didn't really miss any time beside that NFC Championship

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00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: game because it was the last game of the season,

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00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, for the Niners, and a couple of years

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00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: ago he missed that. Trying to think what injuries he's had,

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00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: he obviously had the turf tow this year. He definitely

817
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: missed another game somewhere along the line with Kyle Allen,

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00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: but which would have been last year. I don't even

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00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: remember the injury. My point is like, I just think

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00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: you have to be a little uneasy with his durability

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00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: where you are pretty aggressive with the backup quarterback. It's

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00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: not like you're gonna pay fifteen million dollars, but you

823
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: really want to feel good about that guy. Partly too,

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Speaker 1: that if he misses a month, you know, over the

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00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: next couple of years, obviously he's gonna be the starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback on the big contract. You have a coach that

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00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: you can win, you know, games with a random quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but it has to be the right random quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: I'll give Kyle credit, you know, back to back. I

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Speaker 1: guess they skipped a year, but Sam Darnold and Mac

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00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: Jones two of the last three years quarterback pretty freaking good,

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00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: So I trust him. I would just be hesitant. Second

833
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: round pick, that's pretty valuable. And I think if you're

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Speaker 1: the Colts and you trade a second round pick for

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00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, one he's pretty cheap, but two then you're

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Speaker 1: just all in on the roster that you have, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's pretty risky. They're they're

838
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: in a weird spot right now. I feel I've always

839
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: thought Chris Bowder did a pretty good job, and this

840
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: year he got a little out of character. I mean,

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00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: let's face it, he's made a couple out of character moves,

842
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: and it turned out like the owner forced Anthony Richardson

843
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: like you need to draft a quarterback doesn't really feel

844
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: like their type guy. And clearly that's been a disaster.

845
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: And obviously the sauce move, I thought that was insane.

846
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: Clearly sauce. Maybe I undervalue him. Is a really good player,

847
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: but like if I'm trading two ones for a corner,

848
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: like he'd be better be like Darell Reeves, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I just I don't know. I wasn't on board

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00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: with that move, and that has nothing to do with

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00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: him being injured. I just thought, like big fan, so

852
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: to me, I would think about it, but again, you're

853
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to blow me away, like party's gonna have

854
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: to play the rest of the season, not get injured.

855
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I still, like, you know, I think about Perty's injury history.

856
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: Let me bring up how many games he's played over

857
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: the course of the last four years. There definitely was

858
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: a stretch I'm trying to remember.

859
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: So I guess he just missed the one game or

860
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: he missed two games in twenty four and obviously he's

861
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: missed a bunch this year. So and I think he

862
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: gets a little bit of a pass in the sense

863
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: of and you can say it's a freaky injury, but

864
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: it was a major injury. The elbow injury. Just things

865
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: that make me nervous. But I get maybe more nervous

866
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: about injuries than most big fan of the show. I'm

867
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: a Washington State Cougar fan. As you know, Blank has

868
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: hit the fan in the darkest way imaginable. Washington State

869
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: isn't even relevant anymore. And with the way college football

870
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: has changed, do you think in order for a dynamic

871
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: change and more publicity, we need to acquire a big

872
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: name head coach. If so, who are the possible candidates?

873
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: Let me say a couple of things. One, I'm not

874
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: being a dick at all, but no big name head

875
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: coach who is you know has options as coming to

876
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Washington State. And I want to preface everything I'm about

877
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: to say by this, you guys got screwed. You guys

878
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: really tried. I would say the same for Oregon State

879
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: football mattered in the community. You took football seriously. There

880
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: were a lot of programs with the PAC twelve disbanding,

881
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: like you guys were a way better program most of

882
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: my adult life than Colorado, than the University of Arizona,

883
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: than UCLA, than what Cal had become probably till right

884
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: now with hiring Tosh. But you guys got screwed and

885
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: you got left behind. The problem is is there is

886
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: no catching up. You're done. I think the best case

887
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: scenario for you because at the end of the day.

888
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: And I put this out this weekend on the old

889
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: X app. When your coach went to you know, your

890
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: coach came from South Dakota State, obviously you know this

891
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: was there a year and then just went to Iowa

892
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: State to replace Matt Campbell and one and done guy,

893
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: And how do you blame them? I would rather be

894
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: at Iowa State than Washington State. You guys don't have

895
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: a conference, but when the Pact, it doesn't exist anymore.

896
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: It is essentially the Mountain West. So what you guys

897
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: are now is a non power forward team, and I

898
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: think for the health of the sport, they need to

899
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: build a non power for playoff, whether that's eighteen twelve

900
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: teams or whatever, and just separate the two conferences. And

901
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: I think best case scenario for you, you try to

902
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: dominate that like South Dakota State, like North Dakota State,

903
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: like Montana do a D one double A and like

904
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, right, Texas, Oregon do at the

905
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: highest level. And you kind of find that sweet spot

906
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: because you're never you're never getting invited back to the dance,

907
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: which sucks because you did it the right way. You

908
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: gave a shit when you hired Mike Leach. It was

909
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: a game changer, but you had been relevant when I

910
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: was in like Junior high. I mean, Ryan Leaf was

911
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: a number one overall pick in the draft. I guess

912
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: number two Peyton went one. But you guys were in

913
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: the Rose Bawl. You'd had some excellent NFL players over

914
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: the years when I was at Fresno State in eight

915
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: o nine, like we recruited against you guys are recruiting

916
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: good players. It sucks, but things change, and I think

917
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: you just have to adapt the best you can. It

918
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: happens to us, all right. I'm very fortunate in a business.

919
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: Once I kind of went all in on the radio

920
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: audio space, you know, I kind of just fell into podcasting,

921
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: and obviously I fitted dramatically from getting into it in

922
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I know so many people

923
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: who've been fired in radio the last couple of years,

924
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: and they're so far behind they got no shot. And

925
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: I feel lucky that way. And the game change really

926
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: really quick overnight. And when it changes, you know, sometimes

927
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: things are out of your control and you're not going

928
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: to be in the same position that you once were.

929
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: If you want to stay doing what you were doing,

930
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: and you guys want to you know, it's not like

931
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: you guys want to go play D one double A football,

932
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: but you're never playing power for football again. It's just

933
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: it's just the shitty reality. So I think you're better

934
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: off trying to hire like an alumni, someone like that,

935
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: who will be pretty passionate about the program, than trying

936
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: to hire like sweet up and coming coaches. Speaking of

937
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: the power Forward, Virginia Tech went from a lower than

938
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and twentieth in national recruiting rating rankings to

939
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: twenty third on signing day. No one's ever argued the

940
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: man can recruit. I mean, listen, A huge part of

941
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: college football is talent acquisition, like the coaching element of it.

942
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: If you have way more talent than the teams you're playing, Like,

943
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: how many games does Kirby truly have to out coach

944
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: someone of his fifteen games a year less than five?

945
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: Right now, he has an advantage. He's in the league.

946
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: Coach.

947
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: The same thing with Sabing, same thing. You know you

948
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: saw Signetti right Google Indiana's scores this year. They were

949
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: destroying people. Even Ryan Day in Ohio State. They were

950
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: killing people you couldn't score on. Now Indiana didn't really

951
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: score either, but like that was a game that they're

952
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: like losing in the second half, and they were talking

953
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: about in the broadcast like they're not used to being

954
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: in this position. It's why all underdogs go, Hey, when

955
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: you're playing the big bad wolf, get them in a

956
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: position where they're backs against the wall and see how

957
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: they respond. And what did Ryan Day do? And listen,

958
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. I I stand by like my

959
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: overall take clearly. Listen, I got nothing personal against the guy.

960
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a nice guy. I think he's a

961
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: tad bit overrated. I mean, I really do. And as

962
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: true colors came out in that moment at the end

963
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: of the game when he kicked the field goal. Like

964
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: he works at the Ohio State now with Saban Gone

965
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: is by far the number one program in the country

966
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: in terms of resources, in terms of backing, in terms

967
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: of recruiting. It has it all like it is a

968
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: efficient monster. I listen as someone that I respect the

969
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: shit out of their operation. But he has unlimited funds

970
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: to buy any coach. He has unlimited funds to buy

971
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: any player. He is a good recruiter, Like he tries hard,

972
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: so I respect it. You know, no different than Sark

973
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: or Lane or Landing. Like these guys try. They're not

974
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: like Chip going like I'll work for you, but I

975
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: never want to recruit well. Part of the businesses recruiting.

976
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: But like tell me this, Ohio State fans, I think

977
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: if you if you ask an Oregon fan, you go, ye,

978
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Dan Land got like Chip Kelly vibes, this is badass.

979
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: We love this guy. If you ask Georgia fans, you go,

980
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: this is the greatest coach we've ever had. Right Obviously

981
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Bama fans, you know with was Saban, you know anyone

982
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: that's had Urban I mean you guys had urban Meyer.

983
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: Like deep down you kind of know Ryan Day ain't

984
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: that he's good. But like I could take fifteen or

985
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: twenty coaches and give them Ohio State's operation, and I

986
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: think they would kick ass and take names. Like I

987
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: think they would be really really good. But if you

988
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: had an all time coach, which you did in urban Meyer,

989
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: or like George does with Kirby, I think you'd be unbeatable.

990
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: And the simple factor is you're not unbeatable right now.

991
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: Indiana just beat you, and I thought they out coached you,

992
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: and they kind of out toughed you. They kind of did,

993
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: and there's no disputing I heard Danny Knell say this.

994
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: He's like I was on the field and I picked Indiana,

995
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: and I wanted to change my pick halfway through warm

996
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: ups because you just look at their roster and you go,

997
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: it's an NFL team. I do believe this, Like Fox

998
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: trade countless NFL teams. Definitely the NFC South to keep

999
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Ohio State's rights to play all their games on Fox

1000
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: round the season. They are a bohemoth. I say that

1001
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: they're an NFL team, and I think the answer is like, yeah,

1002
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Day won the National Championship. Okay, that's great, got

1003
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: out coached against Michigan in a game that, let's face

1004
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: it just means. I don't I can't quite quantify this.

1005
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm not part of an Ohio State or Michigan man

1006
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: clearly means a lot to me. It's when I was

1007
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: a kid, I thought Yankees Red Sox was like the

1008
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: cream of the crop. Rivalry Duke North Carolina had its moments.

1009
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State and Michigan right now is clearly

1010
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: the number one rivalry in sports. It's in collegiate sports

1011
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: for sure. You could argue, you know, pro sports as well.

1012
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: So I just think that's a stain on his resume

1013
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: and that that game kicking that field goal. It's like, bro,

1014
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: you're the defending champ. And my point is like it

1015
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: just kind of felt like who he was, Like he's

1016
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: there's the little insecurity and scaredness to the guy where

1017
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: there's just not With Signetti, tell me this Ohio State fans,

1018
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: if you could choose right now for the next five years,

1019
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: who would you rather have running your program? Kurt Signetti

1020
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: or Ryan Day? Just asking my question is this with

1021
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady on the up and up and JJ Watt's

1022
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: great hair, who would you say are the top three

1023
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: NFL analysts personally? Joe Buck's face makes my screen, makes

1024
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: my screen, makes my Monday evening worse. Little script there

1025
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: on your grammar no big deal, Maria that we were

1026
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: talking about the other day about like what school is

1027
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: going to look like for a son in ten twenty years,

1028
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what's crazy? When I

1029
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: went and then I'm kidding. I can't not My grammar's terrible.

1030
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: I can't spell or write, but It's like when I

1031
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: went to when I went to high school, internet was

1032
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: really kind of taken off, but it was dial up.

1033
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: You know. Google definitely didn't really exist till I was

1034
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: in college any and then it's nowhere near what it

1035
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: was now it was. You know, I guess it could

1036
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: help you do some homework type stuff, but not really

1037
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: Like why would I listen in class? Now? Once I

1038
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: learned how to you know, read basic writing, just the basics,

1039
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we're gonna teach you calculus, Well give

1040
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: me the equation I'll just throw it into jad GPT

1041
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: or here you need to learn this? Why just type

1042
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: it into Google? I think there are elements and you

1043
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: can say listen. Obviously there's a creativity element of the brain.

1044
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: But we were talking like, well, you got to learn

1045
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: to write, do you. I mean, how many people that

1046
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: are listening to this right now that for their job

1047
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: or you know whatever needed descriptions like you can use

1048
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: this thing called the Internet in Google and jaed GPT

1049
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I just think the world's changed

1050
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: so dramatically, so fast. I just can't even imagine, Like

1051
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I thought, honestly, Like I remember sitting in last and

1052
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: it always bored me my entire life. How could you

1053
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: even justify paying attention now in a lot of these

1054
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: class Now, I get it if you're gonna be a

1055
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: doctor or an engineer, but the majority of us are

1056
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna be like general business type people, right, Sales, I

1057
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: just don't know if you're learning that much in high

1058
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: school and college anymore. I mean, if you ever were

1059
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: sorry for my ted talk. I've always liked Joe Buck.

1060
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of think he gets a bad rap. Listen.

1061
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I mainly watch have the sound on in the big games,

1062
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: which I was I was telling my crew the other day.

1063
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: When you watch like ten games at once, the one

1064
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: thing that sucks is whatever game. You know, you can't

1065
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: have four audios on, right, so you're just listening to

1066
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: one audio and you get a lot of nuggets, right, Like,

1067
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, Tony Romo says like the offensive coordinator was

1068
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: mentioned this to us. You know this guy is not

1069
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: as good, and you just kind of can pick up

1070
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: on a three four five thing throughout the game of like,

1071
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: oh that's kind of what the coaching staff's feeling. They're

1072
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: telling Tony and Jim that, But you kind of miss

1073
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: out on all the like I don't know what they

1074
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: said on the Bucks Saints game, and I think there's

1075
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: an element to some of the bad the worst games

1076
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: just I think have a little less I don't know,

1077
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: they feel lesser than. So I'm a sucker for it. Now, Listen,

1078
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: al Michaels is an absolute legend. He is marv Albert

1079
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: his last year at TNT. It's rough. Him and Herbstreet

1080
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: have had just a weird rapport their whole time. But

1081
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: I think Buck and Akman are the cream of the crop.

1082
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: I just enjoy, Like, I know people say he's goofy

1083
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: or whatever, but sometimes, like on a Sunday night, I've

1084
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: been watching football for forty eight hours straight, Like I

1085
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: kind of like just an upbeat, optimistic individual. I mean,

1086
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: technically I can, I guess not technically in reality, I

1087
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: can lean kind of negative and pessimistic. So sometimes getting

1088
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: a little positivity in my life, I'm all for. I'm

1089
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: with you. JJ doesn't just have good. JJ Wat's been

1090
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: pretty good, Like JJ Watt's pretty just easy. Listen, I

1091
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: think he's got a chance to just be pretty good,

1092
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable in his own skin for a guy that's

1093
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: really rich and big name he's pretty good. You know.

1094
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: Brady's definitely gotten way better, partly because he was so

1095
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: shitty at the beginning. But there is just an element

1096
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: to Tom. You know, like the two biggest entertainers of

1097
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: my life were Madden and Gruden, and there was kind

1098
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: of this everyman quality to both. Right, there was this

1099
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: everyman quality to both guys that you could like run

1100
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: into him at a Burger joint and have a conversation

1101
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: and they would talk to you about football. John no

1102
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: one was like John Madden, even though John Madden was

1103
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: making eight million dollars a year to call NFL games

1104
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three. Like John Madden owns half of

1105
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: the East Bay. John Madden's family trust is probably worth

1106
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars. John Gruden, like ten seven

1107
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: years ago, signed a ten year hundred million. These guys

1108
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: are just multi millionaires, but they carried themselves. He's kind

1109
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: of like you know, Tom. You see him in the

1110
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: last yesterday with Burkhart at Green Bay. Now, granted I

1111
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: would have lasted five minutes in that weather. I could

1112
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: not have lasted. It looked absolutely miserable. But he's wearing

1113
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean clearly thousands upon thousands of dollars of like

1114
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: some leather trench coat thing that like John Gotti would

1115
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: have wore. And it's like Tom, you know that there's

1116
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: it's weird because he loves football, so anyone that loves

1117
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: football he could have a conversation with. But it does

1118
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: feel like this, I don't know, almost like a Jordan

1119
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: type quality. Michael's a little smoother at it and like, yeah,

1120
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you. Where Tom kind

1121
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: of can like straddle the fence about it, I don't know.

1122
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: I think he's still got a little ways to go.

1123
01:02:47,160 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: You know, Romo, They're fine. I think every football fan

1124
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: has the experience of being on a couch and watching

1125
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: clock management that feels objectively misguided or downright horrendous. I've

1126
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: certainly heard you express bewilderment over many teams execution on

1127
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: this front. Curious your thoughts on this seems will always

1128
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: at occur, Curious your thoughts on how it always seems

1129
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: to occur that it should. But I'm most interested in

1130
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: your thoughts about the use of timeouts. To me, any

1131
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: use of a second timeout in a close game has

1132
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: to be game defining importance all the time. You'll see

1133
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: a coach or quarterback call a timeout in the third

1134
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: quarter or early fourth because they're about to get a

1135
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: delay a game. The notion that a timeout is equal

1136
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: in value to five yards there's a ton of game

1137
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: left to play is one hundred percent incorrect. Even if

1138
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm down three at the opponent's twenty five and it's

1139
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: say third and three, I'm one hundred percent taking the

1140
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: five yards, I can still kick a converting it. Totally agree.

1141
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered by first half timeouts. If you got

1142
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: to use a timeout in the first quarter in a

1143
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: big spot, do you feel like whatever I do think

1144
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: the second half, it is extremely important to not waste

1145
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: any of them in the third quarter. I have a

1146
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: hard time. I'm sure there is one seeing a scenario

1147
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: where on offense you use a timeout because of the

1148
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: delay game. And it happens constantly, and this is not

1149
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: college football. So you find yourself whether you're the Saints

1150
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: or the Titans, or you're the Rams or the Bills,

1151
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these games are pretty close in the

1152
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: second half, and when these teams have wasted it because

1153
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: like you said, you know on the forty yard line,

1154
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: it was you know, second and four and the play

1155
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: clock was about to hit zero, and they it's like,

1156
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: what are we doing? So I don't know why I

1157
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: think these guys know that, but I've always defended the

1158
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: clock management aspect. When you're on your couch eating M

1159
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: and m's, having a coffee in your ug slippers, you know,

1160
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: with a sweatshirt on and a blanket over you, with

1161
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: your doggling on you, it's easy to go like that

1162
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: fucking idiot, what a dumb clock? What is he doing?

1163
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: We've all done. I'm as guilty as anybody. There is

1164
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: no way that is the feeling on the sideline when

1165
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: you have a headset on, and if you're the play

1166
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: caller and you got guys talking to you, you got your coach,

1167
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: you got trainer telling you this guy can't come back in.

1168
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. You know. The Bears, for example,

1169
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: clearly they were a little loose yesterday with their clock

1170
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: management at the end of the game. Now, Ben's the

1171
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: first year head coach, Caleb's in his first year playing

1172
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 1: real NFL football. After I don't even count last year,

1173
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: you're on the road, it's freezing cold, like that was

1174
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: a teachable moment, right that you get up, and it

1175
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: felt like they had a minute thirty Then all of

1176
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: a sudd and you look and it's thirty seconds on

1177
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: the clock. You're like, listen, I'm no, you know, clock

1178
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: manager here, But I'm not sure that this is right.

1179
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the scenario because if you go to

1180
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: the play by play of the Bears game, the last

1181
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: drive by the Bears, he was so they ran a

1182
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: play on second and four to get them to third

1183
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: and one. They ran the play on second and four

1184
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: at one seventeen, and they didn't run another play till

1185
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 1: thirty five seconds. I just think that there's a level

1186
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: of urgency, you know, Ben super folks on the play call,

1187
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: because it's a big play call. Yeah, I think it's

1188
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: just kind of complicated, which I defend him a little

1189
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: bit that way. My question is, how do you think

1190
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: Aaron and Mike tomlins legacy will be affected if this

1191
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: year the Steelers go under five hundred and top with

1192
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: Tomlin as the coach. Well, I think yesterday's win was

1193
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: pretty big. I still think that they I remember I

1194
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: looked at their schedule yesterday. They got the Dolphins coming

1195
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: up on my on Monday night. That game's in Pittsburgh,

1196
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: then they go to Detroit, then they go to Cleveland,

1197
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: and then they get the Ravens again. They're seven and six,

1198
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: so they gotta win through two more games to get

1199
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: to nine. I think they're winning two more games. I

1200
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go about five hundred. But let's just

1201
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: say they go one and three and they go eight

1202
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: to nine. I think it impacts Aaron Rodgers legacy zero,

1203
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean literally zero. And the only Tomlin ding it

1204
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: has is like that's kind of his defining attribute right now. So, yeah,

1205
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl a long long time ago,

1206
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: hasn't won a playoff game in a decade. Like, think

1207
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: how much changes in your life in a decade. If

1208
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: you're listening to this right now in your third years old,

1209
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: think about ten years ago when you were twenty. How

1210
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: much shit has happened in those ten years? Right? For me, Like,

1211
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm forty forty one technically, how much stuff happened in

1212
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: my thirties? And I just think that, you know Tomlin

1213
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: what he really hangs his hat on. His teams never

1214
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: go under five hundred. They're always competitive, they're always in

1215
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: the wildcard mix. They're usually at minimum going ten and seven.

1216
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean in the last couple of years they're ten

1217
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: and seventeen. One year they went like nine to seven

1218
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: and one, but like several games above five hundred. So

1219
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: I think this year that there's definitely been some cracks,

1220
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: which you know, part of its roster building, which I

1221
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: mean only people inside those buildings know truly how much juice.

1222
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: He has a lot of people on the internet telling

1223
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: me he has a lot, which I'm sure he has

1224
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: a lot, but I don't know. Their team is just

1225
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of poorly built. Why are your thoughts on Cal

1226
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: hiring Tosh Lupoi and retaining jks? Are we back? This

1227
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: is a good example that Cal was in this spot

1228
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: of being a powerful version of like what I talked

1229
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: about with Washington State, where it felt like they were

1230
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of getting left behind even though they kind of

1231
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: got a seat at the table. Who knows how long

1232
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: the ACC is gonna survive when it comes to football.

1233
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: Notre Dame just attacked it. We've known that Miami clems

1234
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: in Florida State like they've wanted out, So if that

1235
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: ever crumbles, does Cow get kind of left and Stanford

1236
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of looking that they would definitely try to jump

1237
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: to the Big Ten, and I would imagine the Big

1238
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: ten would have some interest. But the unique part about

1239
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: this hire is Tosh played for Jeff Tedford. Tosh played

1240
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: at cal so his passion for the program because I

1241
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: don't know if a normal guy in his spot, someone

1242
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: that had worked at Alabama and now's at Oregon, Like

1243
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: every guy's just taking the cow job. So you know,

1244
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera is their GM. My buddy's on the scouting trails.

1245
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: He's very involved. There was a second once they fired

1246
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,560
Speaker 1: Wilcox and I watched some col games. I mean I

1247
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: grew up going to Memorial Stadium with my dad and

1248
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: walking up that hill. Is there are some videos going

1249
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: viral of Ron with the headset, And honestly, I'll give

1250
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: Ron credit because it crossed my mind, like I just think,

1251
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: why wouldn't Ron just sign himself to like a four year,

1252
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar deal and just become the head coach.

1253
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: Hire some recruiters and think that he could just out

1254
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: tough and out physical. He's playing the acc thing. He

1255
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: win eight nine games. I thought he was gonna do that.

1256
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: So I give him a lot of credit for maybe

1257
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: he kind of likes this life of being able to

1258
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of have a little more time with his wife,

1259
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: but also still be very involved in football. And you

1260
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: know the most important, most impressive thing is they hire

1261
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: the guy their quarterback. For those of you that don't

1262
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: fall Cal football, which I do not blame, you would

1263
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: have potentially been if he would have said I'm going

1264
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: to the transfer portal, the number one quarterback in the

1265
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: transfer portal, I mean, he would have been definitely a

1266
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: top two or three guy. He would have had, you know,

1267
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: all the team in the SEC, any sweet big ten team,

1268
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: all these teams that need a quarterback would have been

1269
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: all over him, I mean big time. And he was

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: such a bigger he went to Oregon. He was gonna

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Speaker 1: go to Cal. Then he decided to go to Oregon.

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01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: He got there early, went there for spring ball, realized like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be the starter. I'm gonna be the

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01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: back of the Dante more and he's not necessarily going

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: to go anywhere for a couple of years. So he

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: like wanted to play because he knows he's good enough.

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: And he's transferred to count He immediately became their starter

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old, and he was by far there,

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, highlight of the season, which they're a bowl team.

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01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: But I'm excited because the one thing Tosh, and this

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: goes back to when he worked for Jeff Tedford. You know, Cal,

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: if you remove sports, kind of carries itself like an

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: Ivy League school. They're a public university and they will

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01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: tell you they're the number one public university in the world,

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: but they think of themselves like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: something like that. And Jeff Tedford went there and by

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01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: a couple of years into his tenure had Aaron Rodgers,

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: had Marshawn Lynch and DeShawn Jackson. I'm not sure how

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01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: many classes those two attended, but they were kicking the

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01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: shit out of people and the only team they really

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,799
Speaker 1: couldn't beat was the Trojans. But he had them competing

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: to be number one. And Tosh was a part of

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: that as a young assistant coach. And by the end,

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: like he's brown bagging Keenan Allen getting him to come there,

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: like Keenan Allen was supposed to go to Alabama out

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01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: of high school from North Carolina. Now part of it

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: was Cal did a package deal with Keenan and his brother.

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01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: His brother was his left handed quarterback and Saban say,

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, the currency in college football used to be

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01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: a scholarship, right, I got eighty five scholarships. If I'm

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: at Alabama or I'm at cal if I give you one.

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01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: You typically went where you just went to the better

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: program who gave you the better scholarship, and then obviously

1304
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: in the SEC they'd give you a little brown bag

1305
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: of twenty grand cash or whatever. But now you have

1306
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: this enormous tons of money changing parts. The scholarship is

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: completely irrelevant. I wonder if some of these recruiting visits

1308
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: scholarship even comes up. But if you do go to

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: cal you know academically, like, not everyone's gonna be Deshaun

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: Jackson or Marshaun Lynch or Aaron Rodgers. I mean a

1311
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: lot of you guys that are just gonna be a

1312
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: couple of play for a couple of years and go

1313
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: into the workforce. Well, if you work in business, the

1314
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: hot school of business, go fucking work at Goldman Sachs,

1315
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: go make three hundred and fifty thousand dollars as a

1316
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: twenty three year old immediately in the workforce. So I

1317
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: think he's got a lot of things going for him.

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01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: He knows that area. I'm really really excited. I think

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: they could be in the next couple of years. And

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01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: I watched some of his press conference. He kind of

1321
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: talks like he's been around Saban and Landing, like we're

1322
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: in the talent acquisition business, like he gets it. He's

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01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: seen the cream of the crop. We're recruiting the best

1324
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: of the best. I mean he was he worked for

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: Saban in his heyday. And you know, Tosh was on

1326
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: a staff with like Kirby Small, Lane, Kiffen, Dan Lanning,

1327
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: Mario Crystobaal. Tosh basically worked for Nick Saban from twenty

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01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty eighteen, two time national champ Lane, Mario.

1329
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: Sark, Brett Good Group, Kirby.

1330
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: Been watching the NFL my whole life, and I noticed

1331
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 1: certain officials tend to be more trigger happy than others.

1332
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: Does knowing which crew you have officiating the game affect

1333
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: how a team will coach. There's not a team in

1334
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: the NFL that doesn't go over the assignment the week

1335
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,839
Speaker 1: of the game with the players, with their coaching staff,

1336
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: with their analytical department. Uh, It's it's definitely talked about

1337
01:14:54,520 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: area for sure. College Ampro I was thinking anything stopping

1338
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: owners from giving free money. Diehard Eagles fan, and I

1339
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: was just thinking, hypothetically, what if the Eagles trade for

1340
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: Max Crosby in the off season, but they want to

1341
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: keep Jalen Phillips. Is there anything other than scouts honor

1342
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: keeping Luriy from saying, hey, we'll sign you for three

1343
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: years thirty million, but I'll dump another thirty million in

1344
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: your account. On the side, if you're caught, you would

1345
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean something an infraction like that, there would be

1346
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: hell to pay because obviously, listen, it's a very competitive industry.

1347
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: People are cutting corners, like welcome to the private sector. Honestly,

1348
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: to be successful in the private sector, I think you've

1349
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: got to have a little little renegade to you. You know,

1350
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: if you're following all the rules in everything in life,

1351
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna get passed by. And there's a difference

1352
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: of like breaking laws and like if you're just always

1353
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: gonna color in the lines, good luck to you, because

1354
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: life's gonna be awfully tough. So it happens in all

1355
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: of our industries, definitely in football. But something in the

1356
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: example you gave, I think there would be a death

1357
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: penalty type situation that if they found out you were

1358
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: paying someone millions of dollars to stay on your team.

1359
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: On the side, I don't know if they kick you

1360
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: out of the league, but it would be it'd be

1361
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: really bad. So I think it's more than Scout's honor.

1362
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: I think it's part of it is in a weird way,

1363
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: these guys are all business partners and win or lose,

1364
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: Like they're all getting super rich together, arm in arm.

1365
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 1: You know, they can the days of like Al Davis

1366
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: and everyone at each other's throats. It's kind of few

1367
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: and far between, you know, occasional Dan Snyder were it

1368
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: took till the end for some of his I guess

1369
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: people in his corner to turn on him. So yeah,

1370
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: I just may call me naive. I think again, there's

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01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: a difference of one thing that definitely happens. You sign

1372
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: with us, we will funnel you sponsorships, right And when

1373
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: I was in with the forty nine or not with

1374
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, but in the Bay Area around

1375
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, you would see their main sponsors.

1376
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: Who's their number one car, Like, who's the official car

1377
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: of the forty nine ers, Toyota, who has a big

1378
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: Toyota Brandial Rock Party. They have this eyeglass company Zenny Well,

1379
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: who is their number one guy, George Kittle. So I

1380
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: think that's a huge Element's big in the NBA. And

1381
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: again there's difference of like where Kawhi Leonard got in trouble,

1382
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: it was completely fake. It was a gigantic fugazi. I

1383
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: mean literally they just pretended like, Hey, if you want

1384
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: to fly around your private jet, we'll just pretend to

1385
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: plant trees and then everything will be good and you

1386
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: can tweet about climate change. It was all fucking fake.

1387
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: Where that to me is like what is going on?

1388
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: Most of these are at least like, Hey, I'm Joe Lacob,

1389
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm in Silicon Valley. You want to come play for

1390
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: the Warriors. We will funnel you into businesses to invest in.

1391
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll hook you up with all these tycoons and you

1392
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: can get in on the next Google potentially. And that

1393
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: to me is a huge element that I think is

1394
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,879
Speaker 1: happening a lot. The forty nine ers definitely take advantage

1395
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: of that. Is Mike McDaniel, the most hated coach in

1396
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: the NFL. I hear nothing but criticism for the guy,

1397
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: and none of it is ever even about football, Like

1398
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: he's not a league coach or anything. But he's far

1399
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: better than a lot of guys. He's made the playoffs

1400
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: twice and this season he's now one four straight. If

1401
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: you compare him just to Fansky, he's accomplished ten times more.

1402
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: But the narrative around Mike is he's a failure because

1403
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: he's scrawny, whereas the Fansky is some IVY league wiz kid.

1404
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: McDaniel went to Yale, I think even though Mike literally

1405
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: also went to an IVY league. Okay, you knew that too.

1406
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. Are people not cognizant of

1407
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: how superficial they're being when viewing McDaniel. Listen, I think

1408
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: we just judge him because hes a goofy looking dude.

1409
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: He's a goofy, nerdy looking guy, and there's an elementus

1410
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: to fan Ski that just I don't know, I guess

1411
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: looks smart. I've been saying this forever. No team gets

1412
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: a bigger pass in the Browns. Now that Shodor's playing,

1413
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: people are really watching them and they're like, what the

1414
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: fuck's going on? So one of you guys DM me

1415
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: the other day. It's like in Coward said this got

1416
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: they got a good roster. It's like, well, we all

1417
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: hear this all the time, and they just every time

1418
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: you got there three and twelve, It's like, what is

1419
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: And maybe I've been saying this on the podcast. I

1420
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: definitely told other people this. You hear this universally, and

1421
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 1: I got nothing against the guy. He will get a

1422
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: job immediately. If Stefanski's fired, he will like that's you

1423
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: just hire this guy, Like he's just you know, like

1424
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: James Franklin will just fired. It's like, yeah, that's James

1425
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: Franklin had been winning. This guy has not been two

1426
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: time coach of the year. How many coaches of the

1427
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: years does like Belichick has? Who cares like no one's like,

1428
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: no one actually cares about Coach of the Year. To me,

1429
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: it's the fakest award of them all because we think

1430
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna be shitty and then you win like eleven games.

1431
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: That's literally how Stefanski's wonted a couple times. You who

1432
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: never wins Coach of the Year over the last like

1433
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: seven years, like Andy Reid, right, I mean, Kyle Shanahan

1434
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: ever win Coach of the year. No, who's gonna win it?

1435
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: This year. Well, Ben Johnson, and granted Ben Johnson's been good,

1436
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: but why is he gonna win it? Or Vrabel because

1437
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: we thought they were gonna suck. Right, It's like no

1438
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: one's giving it met Lafleura could win team games, like, well, hey,

1439
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: he's coaching the Packers. Well, yeah, he's doing a good job.

1440
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, McDaniel. I don't know, people, I

1441
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: don't know. His pants are bad. I mean the the

1442
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: joggers that are way up tight or way up top,

1443
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: like toward the knee. And I got a couple joggers

1444
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: in the in the closet, so I'm not acting like

1445
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: I would never put them on, but actually a couple

1446
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: of rowback golf ones that aren't bad. Okay, what up? John,

1447
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: big fan? I listen every day. I do have to

1448
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: give you some credit for mentioning it a couple of

1449
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: weeks back. But how is no one talking about Tyler Shuck.

1450
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: I listened to you and Colin this morning, and y'all

1451
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: are talking about Shador and JJ and it makes no

1452
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: sense to me. Those are bad teams. There is an

1453
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: argument Shuck is the best looking rookie quarterback outside of

1454
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: Drake May from the past two classes. It's a little disrespectful,

1455
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: and no other teams had him graded that high. You

1456
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: always say you have to give credit where credits due. True,

1457
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: We're also running a business here. And the most listened

1458
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: to new podcast in my career happened on a Friday night,

1459
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: and it was when Shador fell from the second and

1460
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: third round to the third day of the draft. I

1461
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: got a call from someone at iHeart. They're like, did

1462
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: you find some magic sauce. I'm like, no, this guy

1463
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: named shad Or Sanders, he's just falling in the draft

1464
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: and it's like the biggest story in America right now.

1465
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: And JJ McCarthy like, I don't know why. We have

1466
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,839
Speaker 1: a huge Midwest contingent. The Vikings have a lot of fans,

1467
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: and that story really resonates with people, Like I'm not

1468
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: like what we talk about things one. I talk about

1469
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: things that excite me. But there's a reason that certain

1470
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: franchises rarely get talked about that I would go out

1471
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 1: of business if I did it consistently. Now, I'm not

1472
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: afraid to talk about Tyler Shuck, just like I'm not

1473
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: afraid to talk about the Saints. But at three and ten,

1474
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback that most fans and again I'm

1475
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: not playing, I'm trying to play plant or throw as

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Speaker 1: wide of a net as possible out here could point

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck out of the lineup he went to prom

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01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,799
Speaker 1: not with but in the same limousine with their chicks

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01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: as brock Purty. Brock Purty's been in the league. This

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01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: is year four, so I think it's kind of a

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01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: unique story. He's really old, his path was crazy, and

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01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: your team is just out of side, out of mind,

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: and it's it's no disrespect like the Browns Titan game

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01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: would not matter to a soul beside fans of those

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01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: two teams. The moment you do or starts for that,

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01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: you know in that game people are paying attention. And

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is a massive story. National championship at Michigan,

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01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: drafted extremely high, preceded or you know, Sam Darnold obviously leaves,

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01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: he comes in, and I just think that we know

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01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: what we're doing. So to think that, you know, Tyler

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Speaker 1: Shuck looking at his box score here, because every time

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Speaker 1: I look up he had some big runs. I will

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01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: give him that. I looked he had a couple of

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01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: really nice rounts. He did go thirteen to twenty FO

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01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,440
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four yards in an interception. No touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And again I'm not I am box score scouting a

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01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: little bit I had. I had the game on, but

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Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I was super dialed in. The

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Speaker 1: Bucks have kind of lost me. I mean that they're

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01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: playing so bad they're a awful watch. The SEC is

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01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 1: really really big, and it drives enormous television ratings. Alabama

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01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: from a rating standpoint, goes to tote with everyone in

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01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: the country basically except like Ohio State, which is I

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01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: think the biggest rating you know, draw with Notre Dame

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01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: in Texas, but the you know, Georgia LSU. I mean,

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01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: these teams aren't cash cows. I've been saying this for

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01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: a while and this is no shade at the Saints.

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01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm Doug nuss Meyer, Kellen's right hand guy. I love

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01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm rooting for them to get it turned around.

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01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: But like I would say, the most irrelevant division right

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01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: now in terms of what what I do is the

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01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: NFC South. It really is. So unless it's something Tampa related,

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01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: I think with like Baker and this is a little

1514
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: inside baseball, but listen, that's what we do here, and

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01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 1: so we're not not no one has anything against Tyler Shuck,

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01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: but the Saints are just very very low on the

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01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: list of making sure the lights are still on, you know,

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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: so again props to him. A couple of rushing touchdowns

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01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: were nice. But twenty four to twenty, you guys beat

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01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 1: in Tampa, which a nice win. You guys scored seventeen

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01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: points in the second half. Somethings off with Baker on

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01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two yards passing only fourteen completions, averaging

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01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: four yards of pass How many yards did a mecha

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01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: only at two point fifteen. They ran the ball pretty

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01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: well too, They had one hundred and eight yards rushing.

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01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: But I'll be honest, I wasn't super locked in on

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: that bad boy.

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Speaker 2: The volume