1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not Santa, it's Nancy Grace. Are you 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: trying to find the perfect gift for a parent or 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: an expecting parent, Please do not give them another onesie. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Don't do it, and not another plastic toy that is 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: going to end up in the trash being or the 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: garage or sent to Goodwill this holiday season. Give them 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: something that really matters, and what matters more than protecting 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: their child. 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Please find out how to protect your 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: child out and about at the mall, at the store, 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: at the grocery store, in parking lots, in parking decks, 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: at your home, in your neighborhood. Find out about protection 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: regarding babysitters nanny's daycare, even protection online. It's the very 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: best gift you can give any parent. Go to crimestops 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: here dot com and join the Justice Nation crime stops 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: here dot com Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Let's you know, 26 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: um they were just turning the truck on right now 27 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: to um, she was about to leave. It took the 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: kids to go to school, and some black mail just 29 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: came and stole the trunk. Left in the trunk with 30 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: a child in the car. Also, what's the girls? You 31 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: are hearing the nine one one call reporting that little 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: Honya Aguilar was missing. An incredible and bizarre circumstances. The 33 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: little girl goes right outside her home to get into 34 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: the car to get driven to school, and in that 35 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: short space of time, some perv is standing by dressed 36 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: all in black like a ninja and a yellow bandana 37 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: covering his head and her face and takes the little girl, 38 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: takes her seven o'clock in the morning. How many times 39 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: have I sent my twins out to go get in 40 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: the car, Go get in the car. Copy right there. 41 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened here and now Hanya is gone. 42 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: In the last hours, her body has been identified in 43 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: a body of water, and now breaking news in the 44 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: search for Hanya Aglar, a perp has been arrested. I mean, see, Grace, 45 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 46 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin 47 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: will Lensky, author of Beautiful Life, The CSI behind Casey 48 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Anthony Trial. Robin Wilenski, just just start with the perp. 49 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Who is he, how is he found? And where was 50 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: he arrested? Okay, well, his name, Nancy is Michael McClellan. 51 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: He is thirty four years old, and he has an 52 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: arrest record the length of which we're going to run 53 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: out of paper and have to cut down all the 54 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: trees because he in this case has been charged with 55 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: ten felonies. That's right, ten felonies, concealment of death, first 56 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: degree kidnapping, first degree murder, forcible rape, and so on 57 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: and so on, And in an ironic twist, he was 58 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: already in police custody. This incident happened on November fifth 59 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: with the thirteen year old, but on November thirteen, he 60 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: was locked up on another matter for a different arrest 61 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: warrant from another case. I wonder what that other arrest warrant. 62 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Hey guys, take a listen to w ABCTV's Gloria Rodriguez 63 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: breaking news happening now an arrest in the kidnapping and 64 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: murder of thirteen year old Hanya Agular. She's the girl 65 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: snatched from her home in Lumberton in early November. It 66 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: was an all out search for her that sadly ended 67 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 1: with her body being found in a body of water 68 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: not far from where she disappeared. This is the man 69 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: now charged. He is thirty four year old Michael Ray McClellan. 70 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: The list of charges is long, including first degree murder, rape, kidnapping, 71 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: and concealment of death. The FBI telling us when the 72 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: body was found that they had persons of interest. However, 73 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: McLellan has been in custody on other charges since mid November. 74 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: McClelland was also the subject of internet rumors when Aguilar's 75 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: body was discovered, but the FBI and authorities in Lumberton 76 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: were adamant that they had no suspect and the cutity 77 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: needed to remain on alert. The FBI tells us today 78 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: that the case at the time, they say McClelland was 79 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: arrested in the agular case late Friday nights and he 80 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: had not confessed, and they continue to gather evidence. Police 81 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: do believe McClellan forced Hanya into an SUV while she 82 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: was warming up her family's car to go to school. 83 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Details on how Hanya was murdered have not been released. 84 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: The news of the arrest comes on the same day 85 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: that Hanya is being laid to rest in Lumberton at 86 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: a funeral happening today at Lumberton High School. You're hearing 87 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: our friend Gloria Rodriguez reporting back to Robin Willinsky, Crime 88 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. You know, I'm very curious, 89 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Robin Wilinsky, what the other charge is that he was 90 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: being held on. This goes down November five. He's arrested 91 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: on another charge November thirteen, and I'm going to go 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: to doctor Brian Russell. Doctor Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host 93 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: of IDs hit series Fatal Vows. Doctor Brian Now, you 94 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: may know the ins and out of the human mind, 95 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: but I can tell you anecdotally there are a couple 96 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: of type of offenders that can't stop what they do. 97 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Surprisingly one is peeping tom there. They just can't stop. 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: Is something inside of them. That's where they get joy. 99 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Second sex offenses and third burglars. In this case sex offense. 100 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 1: I guarantee you this is not his first offense, Doctor Brian. 101 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: Why I agree with you. The only thing that I 102 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: would say differently is I would replace the word can't 103 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: with the word won't. These people are not suffering from 104 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: some kind of disability whereby they cannot control themselves. These 105 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: people are entitled narcissists who will not control themselves and 106 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: will satisfy whatever desires they have, regardless of who gets hurt. 107 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: So people need to understand that we're talking about evil people, 108 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: not ill people here, and I think you agree with that. Probably. 109 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: What I would point out here is that we've got 110 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: a guy who was convicted in two thousand and seven 111 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: of assault with a deadly weapon, sat in prison for 112 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: that until twenty sixteen, already had committed another crime felony 113 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: breaking and entering in twenty seventeen, so he had been 114 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: out about a year and he's already committing another felony. 115 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: And so do we look at him and go, Okay, 116 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: this is a guy who is not about to abide 117 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: by the law and live in society peacefully. Under the 118 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: rule of law. We got to put him away for 119 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: a long time. No, we lock him up for about 120 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: one year, and he's back out again to do this 121 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. That's our problem. We don't learn what 122 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: people tell us. He told us what he was. He's 123 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: somebody who had no intention of following the law, and 124 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: we let him what We had him. We had him. 125 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: This has happened so many times when you and I 126 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: talk about these cases. We had him and we let 127 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: him loose on Hannah Agiar and whoever else. He's hurt. 128 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: It's and I guarantee you, doctor Brian, I guarantee you 129 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: there are others to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. 130 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: When I hear this family begging for help and the 131 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: mom crying, it breaks my heart, especially knowing as doctor 132 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: Brian Russell from Investigation Discovery Fatal Vows just said, we 133 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: had him. But yet every time I hear like a 134 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: symposium or so called experts on TV, they're talking about 135 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: what's wrong with the prison system we keep people behind 136 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: bars and how wrong it is. This guy should have 137 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: been locked up, the key thrown away instead. Hanya's dead. 138 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: It's irreversible. Irreversible. It will the pain will never go 139 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: away for her family. Her life is cut short because 140 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: of this gay and him getting out. Nancy, I could 141 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: not agree more with doctor Brian Russell. I mean, he 142 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: put the words right in my mouth. I have a question, though, Nancy, 143 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: how far away did this creature live from where Hanya lived. 144 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm very curious about that, and I want to know. 145 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: Was it a crime of opportunity? Was he following her? 146 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: Did he know what the family's history was in the 147 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: morning or the procedures in the morning. What is his 148 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: backstory as it relates to that neighborhood. You know, what 149 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: do we know about that? Robin Willinski Crime Online investigative reporter? 150 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: What do we know? You know, I'm not sure where 151 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: he was living, but it's pretty crystal clear that he 152 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: was lurking and knew the habits because the crime that 153 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: took place before this crime with the thirteen year old, 154 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: the crime and Chober fifteenth, why he was being held 155 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: is that he pointed a gun at another woman in 156 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: that area and attempted to steal her car and money. 157 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: So it's an escalation and he was lurking in that 158 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: area where he was living I'm not exactly sure. There 159 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: is a large amount of full private and public land 160 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: that we have been searching since November five, and while 161 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement was making a search on Wiregrass Road, we 162 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: came upon the area where we found the FBI now 163 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: says a neighbor called nine one one once she saw 164 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: Anya being forced into that trug by a man wearing 165 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: a yellow bandana. The girl's mother not quite ready to 166 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: talk to media today, but during a press conference, the 167 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: FBI shared this message from her to her daughter and 168 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: her kid never quote. I just want my daughter back 169 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: with me. I'm here waiting for you. I love you 170 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: and only care about you, and I don't have anything 171 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: against whoever did this to you. I just want you back. 172 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: You are hearing WTVDTV Durham reporter Morgan Norwood reporting an 173 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: FBI agent Andy Delarocha giving the message from Honya's mother. 174 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: That message was not meant to be. I want you home. 175 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: My arms are open. I miss you. Honeya's body was found. 176 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: This little girl was kidnapped just outside the door of 177 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: her own home as she got into the car to 178 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:40,479 Speaker 1: go to school seven o'clock in the morning. Two forensics 179 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: expert Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath 180 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: My Feet, death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, I 181 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about how they arrested this guy. 182 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us in the last hours, 183 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: a purp has been arrested. He's being held without bond, 184 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: and we'll be making a first court appearance at any moment. 185 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: McClellan name surfaced in online rumors as a suspect within 186 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: just hours after Hanya's little body, battered and abused was found, 187 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: but authorities did not confirm any connection until the last hours. 188 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: You know, pictures of Hanya and colorful flowers surrounding the 189 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: stage of her funeral service, purple balloons to honor her 190 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: favorite color. Everywhere you look in that county are memories 191 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: of Hanya, and it is so painful. The father was 192 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: out of the country and could not even attend his 193 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: daughter's funeral. To Joseph Scott Morkham, all I can do 194 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: now is look for justice. How are we going to 195 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: get at a true verdict? How tell me? Well? The 196 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: police have spoken a mouthful of the prosecutor because they've 197 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: charged this guy with first gree murder, which means that 198 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: this is an act that is premeditated. They have an 199 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: indication that he had planned, that he had schemed, and 200 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: I suspect stalked her for some period of time and 201 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: he went with purpose, Nancy, he stole this vehicle and 202 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: then you took her along on this ride to her death. 203 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Another key here. One of the things he's been charged 204 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: with is concealment of a death, and that means that 205 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: he specifically took her body. And keep in mind, the 206 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: body was three miles away from the abandoned vehicle that 207 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: had been found earlier, and she was found in a 208 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: small body of water. They're not calling it a pond, 209 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: they're just calling a small body of water. And it 210 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: was out of you a matter of fact, if you remember, 211 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: the search had said we couldn't even find we you know, 212 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: on first blush, we didn't even know there was a 213 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: little body of water down there, and they found her floating. 214 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: So does that give us an indication that he was 215 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: trying to put her body in that water in order 216 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: to try to destroy evidence. At the end of the day, 217 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: you look at this guy and I think that what 218 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: is going to come out is that he is a real, 219 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: real monster. Monster is one way to put it. Now 220 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, speaking of him being a monster, 221 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: as to what kind of person as outwaiting at seven 222 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to abduct a little girl, rape 223 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: sodom eyes, murder her, hide her body underwater, ripping her 224 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: away from her family. It makes me just want to 225 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: run to the twins right now. Whenever I hear a 226 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: story like this, I want to go stare in their 227 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: window at school, or go check and make sure they're 228 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: in bed at night. But who's doing that? And you know, 229 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: I was once talking to a strict vegetarian and they said, 230 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: just think about it. When you're walking along and you 231 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: see a fuzzy little rabbit pop by, is your first 232 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: instinct to attack it and kill it and eat it, 233 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to when you see an apple on the tree, 234 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: you almost instinctively want to just go pick the apple 235 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: and eat it. So anyway, I was thinking about that 236 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: as it relates to this case. Hold it, wait for it. 237 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Let me make the connection. Who is it, Doctor Brian Russell? 238 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: You're the shrink that when I see a little girl, 239 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: I think, oh, look at her hair, look at the 240 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: little brace, she's so cute, look at her a little outfit, 241 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: or isn't she precious? Or look at all the books, 242 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: or look at her soccer outfit or whatever, or she 243 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: so this or that. I don't think. Oh, let me 244 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: stuffer in the backseat murder her at seven o'clock in 245 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: the morning or anytime, Doctor Brian Russell, whether he had 246 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: planned it or whether it was a spur of the 247 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: mom at crime, a crime of opportunity, Still, who thinks that, 248 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: As we so often have discussed over the years, if 249 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: you understood it, then I would be concerned about you psychologically. 250 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: The fact that nobody listening hopefully can understand it is 251 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: a good sign because it is somebody who is totally 252 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: totally sociopathic, totally narcissistic, totally entitled, feeling totally entitled to 253 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: take what they want. And this is it. You got 254 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: to think, this is this is not somebody who is 255 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: interested in getting their you know, sexual needs met by 256 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: going out and actually getting a job and being a presentable, 257 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: respectable person and finding somebody who's voluntarily interested in dating them. 258 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: Not Oh, that's way too hard. What's easy is to 259 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: go after some kid and one thing I want to 260 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: point out here is if you look at the charges, 261 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: it looks like they have charged him both with fable 262 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: rape and statutory rape. And what that indicates to me 263 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: is that they anticipate that he is going to at 264 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: least say in his defense that initially this thing started 265 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: as some kind of voluntary thing, which there is no 266 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: such thing when the person is as young as Hannett, 267 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: but that's going to be the exact initially, and that 268 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: everything just got out of control. Kathleen Murphy, that doctor 269 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: Brian Russell is exactly correct. That's why fatal VOWS is 270 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: such a hit. Kathleen. Yeah, they're gonna claim since a 271 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: DNA according to Joseph Scott Morgan, and I think Joe 272 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: Scott is correct, says DNA is going to nail him. 273 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: DNA on and in the child's body, probably sperm, of course, 274 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: maybe touch DNA, but it's been submerged in water, so 275 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: probably sperm. Back up, it was consensual, right, Kathleen Murphy, 276 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer. Like at seven ams, she goes, Okay, Mama, 277 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get in the carry up. Hurry up, 278 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: I gotta get to school. She goes out to the car, 279 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: and then she says, Oh, I'm gonna go on a 280 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: consensual date with this much older guy who's just wandering 281 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: through my neighborhood. Right, let me be on that jury, Nancy. 282 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: Let me be on that jury. And I'm so thoroughly disgusted. Welloa, 283 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: Jackie just reminded me he's thirty four years old. Kathleen Murphy. 284 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: Please let me be on that jury, Nancy. This is 285 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. Please let me be on that jury. 286 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: Mind me be on that jury. I am outraged that 287 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: he was out of prison. I am outraged that this 288 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: child I have a twelve And why do we keep 289 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: doing it? Yeah? Robert will Lensky crime online dot Com 290 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life, cside behind Casey Anthony trial. 291 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: Robin does anybody I'm not tired of it. I'll keep 292 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: screaming it from the mountaintop, said, do we ever notice 293 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: we keep saying why was he out of jail? Everybody 294 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: moans it and cries and whys about it, But apparently 295 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: nobody in our government's listening because it keeps happening. Right, 296 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: because there's all this boo hoo hoo, and all this 297 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: sympathy and he's going to be rehabilitated, which he's never 298 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: going to be rehabilitated because the guy, simply put, has 299 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: no moral compass. He has no moral compass, and so 300 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: you cannot rehabilitate him because every time he gets Robin 301 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: will Lensky, You're you're so prim and proper, you say 302 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: he has no moral compass. You know what I say. 303 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: He's the devil, the devil. He is evil, pure evil. 304 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they have a death penalty in that jurisdiction, 305 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: and I certainly hope that the prosecutor is going to 306 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: put that out there and seek the death penalty. I 307 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: know a lot of you disagree with me. That's okay, 308 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Let a jury decide, but this is heinous. As a 309 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: child is waiting to go to school in the morning, 310 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: Mom and Auntie right inside the home. I mean, I 311 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: thought on my fiancee was murdered. I knew all about grief, 312 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: but now that I have my children, there is could 313 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: be nothing like the pain of losing a child. 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Fifty two year old Jaqueline Smith 332 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: was stabbed to death after rolling down her car window 333 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: to give a woman money. This was a good Samaritan. 334 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: She saw an individual that was holding a sign who 335 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: appeared to be down on her laws. Pola Say. It 336 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: was just after midnight Sunday. Smith was with two religios. 337 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: The family had attended a gathering in the area. They 338 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: stopped their car after noticing a woman holding what appeared 339 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: to be a baby, as well as a sign that 340 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: read please help me feed my baby, please say. Smith 341 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: gave the woman money. Then a man appeared, first thanking Smith, 342 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: then lunging for her wallet. That's when the suspect approached 343 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: and fatally stabbed her. You are hearing the very latest 344 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: on a good Samaritan stabbed dead. I mean, Sey Grace. 345 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 346 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: Straight out to John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative 347 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: reporter John, it's almost too much for me to take 348 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: in what happened. Well, this was the end of what 349 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: had otherwise been just a perfect evening with family. Both 350 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: Keith and Jacqueline Smith had been dancing and having a 351 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: really great time with their family at an American Legion 352 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: hall on Madison Street in Baltimore. They had been celebrating 353 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: with their daughter, chavon her twenty eighth birthday. The couple 354 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: were on their way home from the gathering as we 355 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: heard around twelve thirty in the morning when they see 356 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: a woman holding what appeared to be a baby, an 357 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: infant and a cardboard sign that read please help me 358 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: feed my baby. Keith says he's never big on slowing 359 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: down or getting out of the car in certain neighborhoods, 360 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: but his wife is a different story. She has had 361 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: the most generous spirit and she rolled down her passenger 362 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: side window to give some money to the woman. This 363 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: is when a man comes out of nowhere, comes up 364 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: to the car, pretending to thank her for the generosity, 365 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: and just a moment later, he's trying to steal her wallet, 366 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: her pocketbook and necklace, and that's when he stabs Jacqueline 367 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: in the chest. Oh my stars, I just I'm so overwhelmed. 368 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: Her husband, Kevin, rushes her to the hospital, but even 369 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: though she got there so quickly, she did not live. 370 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: At this hour. Police are still looking for the two responsible. 371 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: To Josh Scott Morgan joining me as well as doctor 372 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows 373 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: as she Wilcott with me as well, judge lawyer. You 374 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: can find her at asked Wilcott dot com. To doctor 375 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, doctor Russell, what a ruse. I can remember 376 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, there was a hangout I would stop 377 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: at a lot of times after being on the street 378 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: or being in court for long hours that a lot 379 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: of prosecutors and cops would go to and out in 380 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: the parking lot, there was a lady with a little 381 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: bitty child that couldn't have been over two years old, 382 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: and she asked me for money. Well, I had practically 383 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: nothing as a prosecutor. I had to work in two 384 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: night jobs as it was. But I took the cash 385 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: that I had. I gave it all to her. The 386 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: next night, she says she needed a ticket to get home, 387 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: a bus ticket to get home. I'm like, sure, I'll 388 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: give you everything I got, all right. The next night, 389 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: the woman comes up to me and gives me the 390 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: same story with the baby and says she needs a 391 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: bus ticket aget home. I said, lady, you took all 392 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: my money last night, and you are nowhere near the 393 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: Greyhound bus, so let me let me give you a 394 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: look at this. And I held out my badge or 395 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: so I'm calling de facts right now. And I did. 396 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: I certainly did, dragging that little baby around scamming money 397 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: out in a parking lot at night. I mean I 398 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: was working late. It had to be eight thirty nine o'clock. 399 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: It was pitched dark. Using a baby to scam to 400 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: start with, much less killing your victim. But let's just 401 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: start with using the baby. Doctor, Brian Russell, you're the shrink. Yeah. 402 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: I think for most people listening, there's something particularly evil, 403 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: particularly sociopathic, about this kind of a ruse for multiple reason, 404 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: not only because it involves the use of a child, 405 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: but it involves playing upon you the best of somebody 406 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: else's human nature. And not only that, the fact that 407 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about this now and it's news. While it 408 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: is protective and helpful for people to see that there 409 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: are better ways to go about charity than rolling down 410 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: your window and handing money to people on the street, 411 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: but it also does inhibit people from being generous because 412 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: some people will hear this and go, yeah, you know, 413 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: these people are criminals, and they're not really needy, and 414 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: some of them are so for all of these reasons, 415 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: it's just a particularly heinous act. You know, the other 416 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: night I went in why was I at? I still 417 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: call it kerts, but I think it's a right aid. 418 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Why was I there? What was I get? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 419 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, prescriptions from my mom. So I go in 420 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: and there's a guy sitting on the sidewalk outside and said, hey, hey, hey, 421 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: can you buy me some trail mix? I'm like sure, 422 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: And I had this on my mind, so I get 423 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: him a bunch of packs of trail mix. When I 424 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: came out, I basically just threw it at him and 425 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: he looked at me like what. I'm like, I'm sorry, man, 426 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: I am not getting close to you. I'm gonna give 427 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: you what. I'm not gonna get closed yet because I 428 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: had this lady on my mind. To Joseph Scott Morgan, 429 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: the roots that was used and the mortal wounds that 430 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: were sustained after way in, Yeah, did you see how 431 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: quickly she died? They transported or from the scene to 432 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: the hospital little And the reason this happened is that 433 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: she was stabbed in the Torso this is a very 434 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: up personal, I mean up close, very personal event. There's 435 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: more than likely he nicked a major vessel or maybe 436 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: even directly into the heart. She had no chance of living, 437 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: and that's because she let her defenses down. I'll tell 438 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: you what I preached my wife all the time about 439 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: this because I've seen I'm so callous, I've seen so 440 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: many things on the street. And she's got a big, open, 441 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: warm heart. She wants to give everybody and their brother change. 442 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: And I tell her this is dangerous to do. I'm 443 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: of the mind that you seek somebody out that needs 444 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: help as opposed to allowing somebody to seek you out. 445 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: And you can just be suckered in by this, and 446 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: unfortunately that's what happened to this poor woman. Well, I mean, 447 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: not helping those in need goes against everything that I 448 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: believe in, and so it's very hard for me. Well 449 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: I which is rare that I have any money on me, 450 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: but when I do have money on me, not to 451 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: try and help somebody. Take a listen to this, police say. 452 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: The man and woman ran from the scene. Smith died 453 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: a short time later at a nearby hospital. Tonight, investigators 454 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: warning other drivers and asking for help solving the case. 455 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you heard something, maybe you saw something, whether it 456 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: was in the front of or house, the rarreor house 457 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: you know. Chase Street is a busy thoroughfare even around 458 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: twelve to twelve thirty in the evening. Police describe the 459 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: suspect as a man about thirty years old, standing approximately 460 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: six feet tall with a goatee. Anyone with any information 461 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: on this case is asked to call police. The last 462 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: night of Jacqueline Smith's life, she and her husband danced 463 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: at their wedding song at a party. She was just 464 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: everything to me, my everything. We call each other soul meets. 465 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: Hours later, the fifty two year old was murdered on 466 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: this East Baltimore block near Latroball snatched that necklace before 467 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: I knew it in a girl Paki book in the 468 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: seat in the both rain. I jumped out the car 469 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: to run, and I heard my wife's scream, is my 470 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: ka back to car? Oh my stars? That husband what 471 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: he is going through? You were hearing our friends at 472 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: w BFTV Alexa Ashwell and Devin Barlotta reporting on this 473 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: John Linley Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, What do 474 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: you know about the roost they use that they had 475 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: a baby with them, Well, Nancy, Jacqueline was the type 476 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: of person that even if there hadn't have been an 477 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: infant or what appeared to be an infant in the 478 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: woman's arms, she would have been more than glad to 479 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: help this woman anyway, but add the factor of what 480 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: appeared to be an infant in her arms, and that 481 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: just broke Jacqueline's heart. She had to help this woman. 482 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: Keith says, though, that once the couple started moving around, 483 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: he is pretty sure that that was simply a doll 484 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: or something, that it was not a real baby that 485 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: was used to lure them in, and Nancy listened to this. 486 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: We've heard that the pair ran away as soon as 487 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: the stabbing occurred, but Keith says that the woman actually turned. 488 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: She paused for a moment long enough to say something. 489 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: The woman, the one that had preyed on Jacqueline's generous spirit, 490 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: actually said God bless you after the man stabbed Jacqueline 491 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: as she Walcott. I mean, I don't even know what 492 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: to how to respond to this woman trying to help 493 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: someone and being stabbed dead. I am heartbroken for her husband, 494 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: for her family, first and foremost. I am in no 495 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: way blaming the victim when I say what I'm about 496 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: to say, but I agree with Joe Scott Morgan, and 497 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 1: that is you need to pick the people you're going 498 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: to help, and if you want to help someone who's 499 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: on the street, a lot aren't going to hurt you, 500 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: are not They actually need help, but do it safely 501 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: in daylight hours when there are lots of people around, 502 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: when everyone can see you. And the other thing I'm 503 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna say, and again, no blaming the victim. This is unacceptable, 504 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: horrific killing someone who is a good samaritan. But if 505 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: anyone tries to take your purse, your necklace while you're 506 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: sitting in a car, give it to him. Do whatever 507 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: you have to do. That's stuff, it doesn't matter, pass 508 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: it over, doesn't excuse this horrific murder. You know. I 509 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: just I think in that moment, Jacqueline, the victim, Jacqueline Smith, 510 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: didn't think of any of that. She was just trying 511 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: to help. I want you to hear our friends at 512 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: w jay Z TV, it's Devin Borolott to listen. Interim 513 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: Police Commissioner Gary Tubble says this kron was likely premeditated 514 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: and the pair was working together. We also want to 515 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: caution the public about the game with panhandlers. Smith, while 516 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: hoping for their arrest, is now left grieving the loss 517 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: of his beloved wife. For anybody that's in Baltimore, be 518 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: careful when we see these panhandlers out and getting close 519 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: proximity to your car. The last thing I thought that 520 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: they would want to take my wife's life. So now 521 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I gotta live with that. I gotta live with that. 522 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: Every death we're going to leave no start in turn. 523 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: With respect to this case, Interim Police Commissioner Gary Tubble says, 524 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: this kron was likely premeditated and the pair was working together. 525 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: They're using this ruse as panhandlers to get the attention 526 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: of there would be victim, and we also want to 527 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: caution the public about and gaining with panhandlers. Police are 528 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: looking for a black woman in her twenties, medium building, 529 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: about five feet tall, a possible drug user, wearing a 530 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: long brown coat and may have a baby. And they're 531 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: looking for a black mail in his thirties I foot ten, 532 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: average build, with a goatee and wearing a black hoodie. Smith, 533 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: while hoping for their arrest, is now left grieving the 534 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: loss of his beloved wife. For anybody that's in Baltimore, 535 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: be careful when we see these panhandlers out and getting 536 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: close proximity to your car, because like me, I'm from Baltimore. 537 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: The last thing I thought that they would want to 538 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: take my wife's life. So now I got to live 539 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: with that. I got to live with that every day. 540 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: You're hearing the husband of the so called Good Samaritan, 541 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Smith dead after being stabbed in the chest. Her husband, Kevin, 542 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: was driving her home from dinner with your daughter. Jacqueline 543 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: asked him to stop when she saw a lady panhandler 544 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: holding a baby in her arms. They rolled she Smith. 545 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: Jacqueline rolled down her window to give money to the 546 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: woman begging for help, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, 547 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: a man appears from the side and stabs Jacqueline over 548 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: and over in the chest. Kevin raced Jaqueline to the 549 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: hospital immediately, but she died from her injuries. Police now 550 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: looking for the pair of panhandlers responsible. Joining me. John 551 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 1: Limley Crime online dot com investigative reporter Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer. 552 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor 553 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer and hosts of discoveries hit series 554 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: Fatal Vows. John Limley Crime online dot com. What where 555 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: can you tell me? Well, one thing I can tell 556 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: you is that, of course every murder is tragic and senseless, 557 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: but this was one amazing woman who lost her life 558 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: that night. We can go back to her high school 559 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: years when Jacqueline Smith was first interested in science and math, 560 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: but she was told at classical high school that she 561 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: couldn't be an engineer. Her mom, Anna tris Vane, has 562 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: told us some wonderful stories of Anna says she didn't listen, 563 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: that she was determined. You could even tell her. You 564 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: could even see it in her walk, that determination in 565 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: her walk, and true to that determination, Smith did become 566 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: an engineer. After she graduated from Classical High School. She 567 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: earned a degree in electrical engineering. Then she worked for 568 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: the Naval Underwater Systems Center. This is a forerunner of 569 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Newport, and after a 570 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: couple of years there, she landed a job at the 571 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: Aberdeen Proving Ground, that army research facility in Hartford County, Maryland, 572 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: about twenty five miles northeast of Baltimore. That's where she 573 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: was working at the time of her murder. Perhaps snatches 574 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: Jacqueline's necklace and grabbed her pocketbook. The two fled, leaving 575 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: her bleeding in the passenger seat there next to her husband. 576 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: Now Keith and his wife had been out with her daughter, 577 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: chavan to celebrate her birthday, and Chavanne was also in 578 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: the car when her mother was attacked. To doctor Brian Russell, 579 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: so you've got the husband witnessing his wife's murder and 580 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: her daughter seeing her mom getting stabbed in the front seat. 581 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: It's it's unimaginable what that must be like for that 582 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: family to go through this. This reminds me Nancy. Have 583 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: a time in the year two thousand, I was in Peru. 584 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: I was in Lima, Peru, and I was going up 585 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: from Lima to a town up in the mountains and 586 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: the Andes. And on the way up there, I noticed 587 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: that we were kind of going off the road a 588 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: little bit. We were going around something and there was 589 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: a body in the street and I was saying, oh 590 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: my god, there's a body in the street. We have 591 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: to stop and help this person. And we actually had 592 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: a military police escort in front of and behind the 593 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: vehicle that I was in, and they they did not stop. 594 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: They went right around that body and they went right 595 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 1: on past. And when we got to our destination, I said, 596 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: you know, should we call somebody, should we do something? 597 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: And they said, no, the bandits do that. It might 598 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: have been a real body, or it might have been 599 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: somebody playing dead, but they do that to get people 600 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: to stop, and then they ambush them. And why do 601 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: they do that Because it works. People who don't know 602 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: that's a tactic will get out to try to help, 603 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: and then they'll end up being taken hostage or robbed 604 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: and killed or whatever. And so of course we're always 605 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: telling people this program to please, if you have any information, 606 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: if you've seen anything that might help, call the police 607 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: and let them know. In this case, I just want 608 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: to double down on that, because this cannot work. These 609 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: people cannot get away with this, because we cannot start 610 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: becoming like that, like that lawless place where I was 611 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand, where this stuff happens, and 612 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: it happens increasingly when it works. We can't let this work. 613 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: You know what you're right, Brian, four one zero three nine. 614 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: It's the tip line four one zero three nine six 615 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: twenty one hundred police desperately working right now to solve 616 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: this crime. Listen to our friends at wmaartv Naughtia sin Smith, 617 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: who was in the front seat, rolled down the window 618 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: to give the woman money and when she did, an 619 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: unknown man reached and signed to grabber Walllett and police 620 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: say there was a struggle. Investigators tell WMAAR he took 621 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: out a knife and stabbed Smith in the torso before 622 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: running away with the woman holding the sign. Makes you 623 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: find twice about helping anyone looked twice. Colaborer work gold 624 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: in the morning and my guard's up. Police echo that advice, 625 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: saying crimes like these can happen anytime. You always be 626 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: aware of your surroundings, and it doesn't matter if it's 627 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: the middle of the day or the middle of the night, 628 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: if you're driving, if you're walking, if you see something 629 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: or someone that's suspicious, call nine one one. Our officers 630 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: work twenty four hours a day. The driver of the 631 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: car Smith was in when she was stabbed over to 632 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: the hospital and called police. She died at the hospital. 633 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: Tip line four one zero three nine six twenty one hundred. 634 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: The irony is had been a perfect night. Listen to 635 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: w jay Z TV's Devin Barolotta danced a little bit man, 636 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful night. Outrage over Smith's brazen 637 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: and brutal murder has gathered national attention, Oprah tweeting, I 638 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: hope her death gets people woke to change. Along with 639 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: outrage nationwide comes some questions about the story, police insisting 640 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: they're following all leads we can get. The information we 641 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: have is the information that we have until we can 642 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: disprove that that nessa we're going to go with, but 643 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: we're going to leave notes stone in turn with respect 644 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: to this case, Polisa looking for a black woman in 645 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: her twenties with a medium build and about five feet tall, 646 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: lasting wearing a long brown coat, and possibly carrying a baby. 647 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: The other suspect is a black man in his thirties, 648 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: about five feet ten inches tall with an average build 649 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: at a goatee, lasting in a black hoodie. Police asking 650 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: residence citywide to be aware and on the lookout. Please 651 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: help us solve this horrible murder of a good Samaritan. 652 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: Four one zero three nine six twenty one hundred Nancy 653 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,