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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.

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Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane with

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Speaker 1: Shane Simpson. First of all, on today's episode, we just

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Speaker 1: wanted to do a little update on Karen Reid. There's

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Speaker 1: some activity going on in that case, so we want

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Speaker 1: to just discuss that briefly. Then after we talk about

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Speaker 1: Karen Reid for a little bit, we are going to

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Speaker 1: go into a brand new case. It is the Corey

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Speaker 1: Richan's case, which I've taken a deep dive into over

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Speaker 1: the past few days. So I'm pretty excited about discussing

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Speaker 1: this with you all. If you haven't heard of it yet,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a young mom out in Utah with kids

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Speaker 1: who is allegedly poisoned her husband so is allegedly a murderer.

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Speaker 1: So we are going to take a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: that case. But first let's do some updates in Karen Reid. So,

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Speaker 1: Karen Reid has a civil lawsuit against several witnesses from

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Speaker 1: her murder trial that has now been transferred to federal court.

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Speaker 1: This is according to court records. She originally filed the

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Speaker 1: case in state court, targeting members of the Massachusetts State

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Speaker 1: Police investigation, as well as the people present in the

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Speaker 1: home where John O'Keeffe was discovered outside back in January

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. Also, if you have not listened

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Speaker 1: to our podcast on the Karen Reid, we did a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes on Karen Reid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe we sul still a little quick reminder.

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Speaker 2: She was accused of murdering her fiance with a car.

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Speaker 2: She was on trial with the hung jury. Then there

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Speaker 2: was a second trial.

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Speaker 1: And she was acquitted.

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Speaker 2: She was acquitted except she got a duy.

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Speaker 1: She did she was convicted of the lesser charge of dui.

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Speaker 1: But it all this case, if you don't know Karen Reid,

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Speaker 1: it all revolved around the defense alleged that there was

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy and that John O'Keeffe was actually murdered within

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Speaker 1: the home of other Boston police officers, and then his

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Speaker 1: body was put into the yard. And then this.

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Speaker 2: Case was so and prosecutor was alleging that she had

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Speaker 2: run him over before while dropping.

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Speaker 1: They had a night of drinking.

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Speaker 2: House was not searched. There was issues surrounding every piece

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Speaker 2: of evidence exactly.

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Speaker 1: It was really fascinating to discuss. That's one of my favorites,

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Speaker 1: just because every piece of evidence didn't lead to any answers.

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Speaker 1: It really just led to more questions, which when you're

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Speaker 1: analyzing it, it's fun to go down that route. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to our care and read episodes,

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Speaker 1: I would suggest doing that. So, now that she's been acquitted,

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Speaker 1: she's going after the people that were witnesses against her

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Speaker 1: and members of the Massachusetts State Police Department.

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Speaker 2: In her complaint really noteworthy, not the judge or the prosecutor. No, yes,

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Speaker 2: I just want to make that clear.

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Speaker 1: In her complaint read alleges civil rights violations, malicious prosecution,

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Speaker 1: and a coordinated effort to conceal what she believes happened

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Speaker 1: inside the house during a party. The individuals she names

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Speaker 1: in her lawsuit include Brian and Nicole Albert. If you remember,

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Speaker 1: Brian and Nicole are the ones that were the homeowners

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Speaker 1: that evening, Jennifer and Matthew McCabe. Jennifer is also was

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Speaker 1: the friend that also went to search for him in

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Speaker 1: the morning in the car and they found him in

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Speaker 1: And if you remember, Brian Higgins is the ATF agent

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Speaker 1: who was also there that night, and there was a

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Speaker 2: And searching for how long does it take a body

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Speaker 2: to die in the snow or whatever she searched right,

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Speaker 2: there were a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of things, So the court requested that the matter

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Speaker 1: be Actually, the defendants have requested that the matter be

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Speaker 1: moved to federal court because one of her claims involves

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Speaker 1: and so we know a fourth Amenute Amendment issue is

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Speaker 1: a federal issue, So they've been asked that this case

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Speaker 1: be moved to federal court. The defendants argued they intend

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Speaker 1: to show that Reid's lawsuit is retaliatory misuse of the

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Speaker 1: legal system aimed at shifting blame for Oket's death from

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Speaker 1: her back to them. Reid has previously taken related issues

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Speaker 1: which declined to hear her challenge. That was after her

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Speaker 1: original mistrial. She then went all the way up to

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Speaker 1: But her retrial did proceed afterward, resulting in acquittals on

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Speaker 1: was thinking when I was reading all this, do you

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Speaker 2: Well? No, if financially she's no, no, I would be.

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Speaker 2: I would be doing just as she is. Really, Yes,

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Speaker 2: if people accused you of a murder and you didn't

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Speaker 2: have nothing to do with it, and you had to

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Speaker 2: go through two trials, spend time in Jai, however long

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Speaker 2: it was, I don't remember, and have the threat of

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Speaker 2: supposedly mourn the loss of her fiance. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if she is mourning or not, because then she kicked

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Speaker 1: Well, they got a fight that night. I mean they

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Speaker 1: had both been drinking and.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, and then you can't move on from

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Speaker 2: the slightest thing, And you can't move on if I like,

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Speaker 2: don't use the if I don't put the cup in

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Speaker 2: the dishwasher, and you want her to move on from

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it just draws more attention back onto herself and onto

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Speaker 1: the case. And she's been acquitted to me that question, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the cup and the dishwasher. I'm

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Speaker 1: just talking about at the end of the day she's

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Speaker 1: been acquitted. Maybe I would just feel a sense of

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Speaker 1: constantly dealing with legal battle after legal battle with attorneys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but now she's on the offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know she's on the offense, but sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you're on the offense, it doesn't work out in your favor.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, maybe i'd love for you to I'm

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Speaker 2: going to play this podcast for you next time you

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Speaker 2: complained about something and you won't move on all right.

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Speaker 1: There's also an interesting thing I saw in the Karen

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Speaker 1: Reid case. The jury form and his name is Charlie Deloache.

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Speaker 1: He did a talk at a I believe it was

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Speaker 1: and he said that even though there were thirty one

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Speaker 1: He said, the biggest piece of evidence that made him

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt was that the investigators never entered Albert's home

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Speaker 1: right from the huge That is huge, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: the whole If they found like a.

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Speaker 2: Crack pipe on our lawn, they'd be searching our house exactly.

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Speaker 2: There was a dead body.

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Speaker 1: Right, and no one went inside the house to look

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Speaker 1: for fingerprints, and people.

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Speaker 2: Went outside the house to wipe the fingerprints down, right

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Speaker 2: whatever else. But wasn't there a dog? They got rid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chloe was rehomed. So that was And then he

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Speaker 1: surprised that they even retried her because from him there

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Speaker 1: was reasonable doubt right from the first witness. Also, he

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Speaker 2: I want to look at one critical piece of evidence, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Was it like a device like her

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Speaker 2: search history? No tail light?

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Speaker 1: It was the tail light, Yeah, it was the tail light.

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Speaker 2: Or smashed by hammer and placed in the front.

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Speaker 1: Lee allegedly that tail light. But he said, according to

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Speaker 1: the jurors that all looked to them like it was

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Speaker 2: Fabricated is more likely.

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Speaker 1: Also, there is a behind the scenes battle over Karen

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Speaker 1: Reid's phone that continues to go on. A legal fight

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Speaker 1: over two iPhones taken from Karen Reid by Massachusetts State

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Speaker 1: Police nearly two years ago has escalated since in October

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Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News. The dispute centers on Special Prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Robert Cosgrove's effort to examine the device the devices for

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Speaker 1: possible evidence that Reid coordinated with blogger Aiden Kearney, who's

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Speaker 1: known as turtle Boy. We didn't really talk about turtle

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Speaker 1: her Was it turtle Boy? Yes, turtle Boy, it's what

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Speaker 1: he calls himself. Read's newest defense lawyer, Benjamin P. Orbellis

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Speaker 1: DA's office to get her for something after the Myrtle

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Speaker 1: on John Proctor's phone that that's affecting I believe what

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Speaker 1: Do they do they all get a retrial?

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Speaker 2: Like then you have to you have to look and

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Speaker 2: have an impact significantly on the outcome? Right?

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Speaker 1: But then are you going to have to go to

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Speaker 2: Of the way that they are some type of hearing.

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Speaker 2: Some type of hearing may not be a full trial,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know the procedures. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: definitely you present it before a judge to say was

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Speaker 2: this materially significant? Right?

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Speaker 1: And did it impact the outcome?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know. I think it's fair to say though

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Speaker 2: that this is a civil case. So she was previously

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Speaker 2: was a criminal case, right, So it's a state prosecuting

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Speaker 2: charging her with a crime. Now it's civilly, it's her

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Speaker 2: going after the state or I don't know, she hasn't No,

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Speaker 2: it's them individually.

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Speaker 1: She's going after it.

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Speaker 2: I think I read that she has to make a

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Speaker 2: claim of some sort with the police department and when

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Speaker 2: they deny it, then she can add them as a party.

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Speaker 2: But she has to kind of exhaust those resources first. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but this is a civil case. Criminally, it's beyond a

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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt civilly, she just has to tip the scale

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Speaker 2: in her favor. So yeah, propond's the evidence, So it's

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Speaker 2: fifty one, forty nine percent kind of thing. Lady adjustice, right,

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Speaker 2: just tipping the scale, that's all she has to do.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if she's gonna succeed in that.

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Speaker 1: But well, she doesn't have Alan Jackson, but I'm sure

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Speaker 2: All she has to do is tip the scale.

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Speaker 1: It is folding as we speak. It's a recent case.

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Speaker 1: Corey Richins is a Utah mother accused of killing her

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Speaker 2: Probably at this time. I don't know, that's the least

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Speaker 2: It's just like and you will never if you ever

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Speaker 2: But you can kill him about death.

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Speaker 1: And also it was saying where people made a critical

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Speaker 2: Why she shouldn't have written it. She should have had

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Speaker 1: Right, So there's less than number one. If you can

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Speaker 2: Why is it that? I mean, if you pull out

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I was going to be like, hey, your wife just

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Speaker 1: Right, And like, isn't there someone in the insurance department.

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Speaker 2: That works flag anyone? Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if your credit cards used in some other state,

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't a life insurance policy like, you know, carry

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Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know you know what. That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: But also my other question is can you take a

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think you have to have some fine

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Speaker 1: All right. So then by twenty twenty, Eric reportedly discovered

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Speaker 2: What was she? So?

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Speaker 2: Her She probably thought like, Okay, my husband's in the

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Speaker 2: buy a home. I'll paint it and then flip it right,

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Speaker 2: and watching a couple of TV shows and not she

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Speaker 1: She watched HGTV and then she thought she was a

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Speaker 2: It seems really easy. You just make it cute, you

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Speaker 1: They have this home. She has this home flipping business,

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Speaker 1: They live in a big house. So I don't think

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Speaker 2: You getting at she was withdrawing all this money and

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Speaker 2: Future endeavors with publishing a book, right.

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Speaker 1: She needed money to publish her book on grief. In

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Speaker 1: So Eric knew about all of this?

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Speaker 2: Why did he file for divorce? Do we know he

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Speaker 1: He just met with a door. I also think that

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Speaker 1: She was stealing money, so he should.

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Speaker 2: And the prebaturrey going to get in. Didn't he text

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I was going to wait until I got

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Speaker 2: Well, he had an EpiPen, so did he have an

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was his or if it

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Speaker 2: Album is a sandwich for Valentine's Day? Seriously, right, she

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Speaker 2: here's a peanut butter sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Colony. Some fentanyl.

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Speaker 2: Take a big bite fentanyl lace to sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so she she did learn that she did not.

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Speaker 1: That's why this is Oh, this is why, this is why.

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Speaker 2: You say, what are you doing for dinner? I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I doesn't have a sandwich that I make myself, don't

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Speaker 1: All right. Then in March of twenty twenty two, this

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Speaker 2: Is that just a drink moscow mule?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a cocktail. It's vodka. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: This is a waste of money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you don't drink, because of the financial

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't afford it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So anyway, she made him, as she

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Speaker 2: She got the fyl She's like, yeah, let's have a drink. Wait,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pulled through right, she learned from the sandwich incident.

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Speaker 1: But she didn't use enough fentanyl. So on the morning

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Speaker 2: Fourth, she should have put in his EpiPen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well now I'm not I'm gonna avoid EpiPens, thank you.

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Speaker 2: She just put it in there and then she's like, oh, babe,

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Speaker 1: one one. A later autopsy revealed he had ingested about

440
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: five times the lethal dose of fentanyl.

441
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: She went all out or she wasn't? She was she

442
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 2: never again? Yeah, she was like.

443
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm done making sandwiches, so it's gonna work this time.

444
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: Now we get to March six of twenty twenty two,

445
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: which is two days after Eric's death. Prosecutors say Corey

446
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: hired a Locke smith to open his safe, which reportedly

447
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: contained over one hundred thousand dollars in cash.

448
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, she learns like the next day or two days later.

449
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: Two days later, why was she said?

450
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: What would her argument be to be such a hurry

451
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: to get in that safe, Like two days later your

452
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: husband dies and you're like, I need to get into

453
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 2: the safe. I don't know.

454
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if her argument is I have to

455
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: take care of three kids and now you know he's dead,

456
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: and I've got to be for a.

457
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: Funeral, and she you know what, Well, okay, I'm just

458
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: saying that. I'm not saying that's evidence, but that's definitely

459
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: UNUSUALA do you have.

460
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: A safe somewhere in this house? I don't know all

461
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: about Are you sure? No?

462
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: You have everything I own?

463
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: Okay? Good?

464
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 2: Have no safs?

465
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, she learned she was not named in his will.

466
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: His sister was and allegedly Corey punched her sister in

467
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: law during a dispute over the estate, which led to

468
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor assault charge that she later pleaded no contest to.

469
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: I did hear a podcast with that with the brother

470
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: talking about what happened. He said that she learned that

471
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 1: she wasn't you know, she wasn't in the will. He

472
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: had removed her from all the financial things, and she

473
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: and the sister got into some altercation, and so there

474
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: were some assault charges against her. So later in March

475
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Corey reportedly filed a lawsuit against

476
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: her sister in law over rights to property that had

477
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: been jointly held under a prenuptial agreement. Then in April

478
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, this is when Corey self publishes

479
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: a children's book titled Quote Are You with Me, a

480
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: grief themed story about a father's presence after death. She

481
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: promoted it publicly, portraying herself as a grieving widow. Prosecutors

482
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: view that as part of a potential cover up. I mean,

483
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: of course, prosecution's gonna take a look at the book

484
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: and say that that was part of her, you know,

485
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: her masking that she had anything to do with his death,

486
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: as she portrays herself of this as this grieving widow

487
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: that's trying to help her three sons get through the

488
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: process of gen.

489
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: Writing that book. How she took out life insurance policies

490
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: and tried to get into a safe.

491
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong she assaulted the sister

492
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: in law Mary either. Yeah. Then in May, on May eighth,

493
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three, actually investigators did. They searched the

494
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: home and arrested her. On March eighth of twenty twenty three,

495
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Corey was formally arrested in charge in connection with Eric's

496
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: death and the related allegations. Now there's also when she

497
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: was arrested that day, she was held outside the home.

498
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: I guess they were so the home on the day

499
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: she was arrested.

500
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: See do you search the home when there's a homicide?

501
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Well, right, normal, And during this search of her home

502
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: she was held. I believe she was held in a

503
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: police car with a deputy outside the home, and the

504
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: deputy recorded her in the car and this became a

505
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: piece of evidence.

506
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that's a standard camera in the car that.

507
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: Comes so it's not he recorded her with his cell phone,

508
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: really yeah, because I don't know why she was talking.

509
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: She was babbling, she was I think he thought her

510
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: reaction was strange because she was crying, but there were

511
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: no tears. So for some reason he felt compelled to

512
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: just record all of it, and so I listened to

513
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: some of it. She also talks about how she's embarrassed

514
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: because the neighbors are going to see because she's being held,

515
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, in a police car outside the house. They're

516
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: searching the house. And also this search is also interesting

517
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: because let's talk about a warrant for a second. So

518
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: they have an arrest warrant, right, they have an arrest

519
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: warrant to arrest her, and they have a warrant to

520
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: search her house. But the warrant to search her house

521
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: is a very limited scope, right.

522
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: What's the warrant for searching what?

523
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what was in the warrant, but I'm

524
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: gonna tell you it was a limited scope, meaning that

525
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: there were certain things listed that they were looking for

526
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: within the home when they searched it.

527
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess drugs and maybe text like devices message.

528
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't actually looked at that.

529
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess, Yes, I get.

530
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: It, you're guessing. However, when they searched the home on

531
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: May eighth, they found an orange notebook, and this orange

532
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: notebook has become like a critical piece of evidence that's

533
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: being disputed over because the orange notebook had writings in

534
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: it that were her journal that allegedly no one knows

535
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: what exactly is in it, but it looks but it seemed.

536
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: People have been speculating. But I think it has to

537
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: do with communications with her and a therapist, which would

538
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: be privileged possibly possibly, and then maybe there's some type

539
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: of journaling or confession as to her involvement. So the

540
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: police found the orange notebook, they read what was inside,

541
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: and based upon what they read, they took the orange notebook,

542
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't explicitly stated in okay, so that.

543
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: We know that the well was it in Plaine View.

544
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: If they have a warrant that says you can look

545
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: for drugs, right then they open a drawer and they

546
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: see a handgun or something that's contraband now that's fair game.

547
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know. So the argument is whether this

548
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: notebook fell within plane view and it was it was

549
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: fair game for the cops to seize it, or whether

550
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have opened a notebook at all, because if

551
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: they were looking for drugs, you're not going to open up.

552
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think the prosecution has conceded that it was

553
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: not It was outside the scope it warrant, and it's

554
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: a fruit of the poisonous tree issue because they issued

555
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: a second warrant to search her home based upon what

556
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: was written in the Orange notebook. So now you have

557
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: a second search based upon what was written in the.

558
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Orange improper search initially, right, So we don't know anything

559
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: that's in the book at all.

560
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: Well, no, we we know that it has to do

561
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: something with her therapists and subtype of notes and communications,

562
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: and maybe there's some type of confession or her involvement,

563
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: but we don't know explicitly what it says. All we

564
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: know is it was damaging enough to be able to

565
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: get a second warrant. However, the defense is going to

566
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: argue that it should be admitted. We'll see what happens

567
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: with the Orange notebook, right, all right, So let's move on.

568
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: So in May of twenty twenty three. This goes from

569
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: May to August of twenty twenty four, the case moved

570
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: through preliminary hearings, with prosecutors presenting evidence including forensic data,

571
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: financial and insurance documents, and witness testimony. That all goes

572
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: to motive, right, because the motive is why did she

573
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: do it? So that's why you're going to bring in

574
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: all the financial records, right, You're going to portray this

575
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: woman as someone that was deeply in debt with a

576
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: failing business that was taking out life insurance policies without

577
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: his knowledge.

578
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: She had she had reason to believe that she was

579
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: in the will.

580
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: Right, and she would inherit, and that she would also

581
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: inherit fifty percent of his business. I believe she thought

582
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: that too, So her motive is financially driven.

583
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: Contents of the notebook details of Eric Richand's death. In

584
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: Vesiero has found notes in the notebook that seemed to

585
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: contain details about Eric's death, including discussions about ways to

586
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: kill him and how to cover up the crime.

587
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

588
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, plans to poison Eric, purchase a fentanyl, conversations on

589
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: notes on life insurance, and there's all a whole breakdown

590
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: of that.

591
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: Wow. So that orange notebook, I mean, prosecution is going

592
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: to want that orange.

593
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: Why doesn't she have it in orange too? I think

594
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been labeled like you know, twenty twenty

595
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: four tax lads.

596
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I don't understand about people that go

597
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: through all these they jump through all these hoops to

598
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: commit crimes, and then they do something stupid like write

599
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: down their exact plan within a notebook.

600
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: No doubt the defense wants us thrown out, of course,

601
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: So absolutely all right, So let's.

602
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Talk about other evidence the prosecution has against Corey. First

603
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: of all, we talked about the orange notebook. There's also

604
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: the housekeeper testimony. So Carmen Lobber was the housekeeper or

605
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: she she did some work for Corey. I believe with

606
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: her homes that she was flipping. She told prosecutors that

607
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: she sold fittanyl to Corey, but she received immunity for

608
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: her testimony. She'd had previous drug charges.

609
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: What's her name.

610
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Her name is Carmen Lauber. She's fifty one, and she

611
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: had done some housekeeping.

612
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Car Exchangedyl was right right.

613
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: So allegedly Carmen was the one that sold Corey the

614
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: fentanyl and that she says she claims that she sold

615
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: fentanyl to her on two different occasions, each time around

616
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: nine hundred dollars, which, however, I assumed the second time

617
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: she sold it to her it would have been more

618
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: expensive because that's when she learned that the sandwich didn't work,

619
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: so she had to buy more fetanyl.

620
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: But anyway, she didn't supplying demand. Now she really wants.

621
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: It, so yeah, right, so yeah, I don't know why

622
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't raise her prices. We talked about how she first

623
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: attempted the fentanyl on Valentine's Day with the sandwich, and

624
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: forensic evidence corroborates Carmen's statements where she talks about their

625
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: meeting points where she met her and sold her and allegedly,

626
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: what I've read is that based upon forensic evidence I'm

627
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: sure from phone and computer or whatever it is that

628
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: they took during the search, it corroborates the locations. However,

629
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, the defense is going to argue that this

630
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: is a woman with drug charges against her who took immunity,

631
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: and so she's going to be compelled to say whatever

632
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: the prosecution wants. So that's that's going to.

633
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Put like she's an untrustworthy, noncredible source. You know, I

634
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: have to say that, you know, the few times that

635
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: you've prepared a meal for me, Yes, over the last

636
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: sixteen years. And if I've like fallen ill and had

637
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: a stomach ache or after I made something for you,

638
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: I've never once thought, oh my gosh, she's trying to

639
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: poison me. I just thought, oh, I don't feel well.

640
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that. I'm glad you've never felt that way,

641
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: I know.

642
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: But for him to think that, yes, I mean, it's

643
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: not just he had hives so he thought his wife

644
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: poisoned him. He had it led up to that. There

645
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: was lots of things before that that made him think,

646
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: my wife wants to kill me.

647
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: Well, that's not meir, Okay, it is weird. And this

648
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: is what I don't understand. He clearly knew that she

649
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: was doing financial things behind his back. There's one problem

650
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: because he took her out of the will and he

651
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: named his sister as you know, having controlling interests and everything. Yeah,

652
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: so he didn't trust her financially, right. He also knew

653
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: that she was having an affair. I believe there was

654
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: some infidelity fidelity going on. He also told his family

655
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: that he thought she was trying to kill him. So

656
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you stay.

657
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: In the party, Like I think I need a file

658
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: for right.

659
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: And I mean he took he ate the sandwich, and

660
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: he still hung out with her, and he still continued

661
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: to live with her and take a cocktail from her.

662
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: Oh well, it's like, hey, I'm going to go I

663
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: have some drinks with my wife. By the way, I

664
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: think she's trying to kill me.

665
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she hands she hands him a cocktail

666
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: and he drinks it. I mean, make that makes sense.

667
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, I don't understand the first second.

668
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: I thought you were trying to kill me. I'm gonna

669
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: move out. I'm just letting you know, all right. So

670
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: we have the orange notebook. We have the drug.

671
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: Dealer orange notebook.

672
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: I know, right, that's the orange notebook. Now you're gonna

673
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: love the Walk of the Dog letter because this is

674
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: another piece of evidence that the prosecution against her. So

675
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: this walk that they call it Walk the Dog letter

676
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: because this is a handwritten letter that Corey wrote while

677
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: she is in prison awaiting trial, that she wrote to

678
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: her mother. It's six pages long, and the prison staff

679
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was, but they found it

680
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: when they searched her cell, and they found it hidden

681
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: inside a book, an orange book, not an orange book,

682
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: just a regular book. And at the top and big

683
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: bold letters with the exclamation point, it says walk the dog.

684
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: So she's, you know, reminding her mom to walk the dog.

685
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: So they call it the walk the Dog Letter. But

686
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: it's so incriminating. I'm just going to read some of it.

687
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: So she says to her mother, and.

688
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: We believe this to have been written while in prison.

689
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: No, she yes, they found it in her cell.

690
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: She didn't submit it to whoever, her mom or whatever.

691
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure she at some point was going to

692
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: mail it.

693
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she wrote it, right, So she wrote a

694
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: six page handwritten letter, hid it in a book in

695
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: her prison cell, and then prison staff found it.

696
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: And obviously, like we were talking about this earlier, there's

697
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: no there's no privacy in a prison cell. I assume

698
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: there's no there's.

699
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: No bathroom door, there's no fourth right right out there.

700
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: So she says, here is what I'm thinking, But you

701
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: have to talk to Ronnie. So Ronnie is her brother.

702
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: He would probably have to testify to this, but it's

703
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: super short, not a lot to it. He will need

704
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: to tell Sky. Sky is her attorney at the time.

705
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: She has a new attorney now, but Sky at the

706
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: meeting next week upon information and belief. A year prior

707
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: to Eric's death, Ronnie was over watching football one Sunday

708
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: and Eric and Ronnie were chatting about Eric's Mexico trips.

709
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Eric told Ronnie he gets paint pills and fentanyl from

710
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: Mexico from the workers at the ranch, and not to

711
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: tell me because I would get mad because I always

712
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: said he just gets high every night and and won't

713
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: help take care of the kids. There are pictures in

714
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: my phones of Eric passed out on the floor or

715
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: in the chair. Ronnie should have text from Eric talking

716
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: about getting high as well. Eric told Ronnie he keeps

717
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: them and an allergy pill bottle in his work truck

718
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't find them. Ronnie never told me about

719
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: the conversation. Eric finally told me and asked if Carmen

720
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: could get him some. That's the housekeeper. Eric never wanted

721
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: anyone to know he had an issue, especially get caught.

722
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: He always wanted Corey to go down for him. When

723
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: they traveled. Eric would put his drugs in and Carrie's

724
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: bag at the airlines right before they boarded. That way,

725
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: if they were caught. Corey got in trouble, not him.

726
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: It goes on.

727
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: So having testify to all those things, right.

728
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: So then after this letter is found, which basically to

729
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: me is nothing more than instructions about what her brother

730
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Ronnie needs to go to her attorney and say what

731
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: he needs to testify what he needs to say that

732
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Eric has a drug problem, because that's her defense, right,

733
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: Her defense is that he is a drug addict and

734
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: he overdosed. Right, It's not that she poisoned him with fences.

735
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't that did it.

736
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: It was. It's just that he has a drug problem

737
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: and that he goes to Mexico and he buys drugs

738
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: and he could tie every night and asses out. So

739
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: she's giving explicit instructions.

740
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: Meanwhile her brother, but meanwhile their housekeeper apparently can get fentanyl,

741
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: but he goes to Mexico to get it. Right, Yeah,

742
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: that makes sense.

743
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Right, So her defense claims that this is not an

744
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: instructions to her brother and to her mom as to

745
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: how to testify it or to make this story into

746
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: her her husband being a drug addict. But it's a

747
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: fictional work. That she's writing a book and this is

748
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: just a fictional other piece of writing, even though it

749
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: names her brother Ronnie explicitly, and it's written to her mom,

750
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: and it says walk the dog at the top of it.

751
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I understand. I don't know anyway, I mean, who does

752
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: she thinks she's fooling.

753
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. But this is I mean, talk about incriminating.

754
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you're literally telling your brother how to testify

755
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: he's going.

756
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: Quit writing stuff down and leaving it everywhere. You leave

757
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: notebooks in your house, you leave them in the cell.

758
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: Quit writing this stuff down, right.

759
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Well, she makes reference to her attorney Sky, and we

760
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: do know that that attorney they parted way. She has

761
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: a new attorney now based upon irreconcilable differences, so that

762
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: was probably part.

763
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: Of the divorce attorney she divorced.

764
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Her attorney she did. So the walk the Dog letter,

765
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I found it isn't.

766
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: Just say walk the dog and then it talks about testimonies.

767
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: It just says walk the dog really big at the top.

768
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: So they call it. They call it the walk the

769
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Dog Letter, but take it says, but take vague notes,

770
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: so you remember, I don't know.

771
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: I don't know either.

772
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very I mean, it's it's as

773
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: incriminating as you can get.

774
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Well, uh Oj wrote a book that was called If

775
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: I Did It. If I did it, this is what

776
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: I would kill her. But if I was going to

777
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: kill the love of my life, this is how I

778
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: would do it. I would And then outrage came out

779
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: before it was even published, and the publishing company somehow

780
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: like dropped it or.

781
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: Whatever, so it was never Actually I don't remember, like

782
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: you find it anywhere?

783
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I downloaded it.

784
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Did you read it?

785
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I read. I like skimmed through it. It was

786
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: creepy and weird, and it was Yeah, it was if

787
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I did It.

788
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's strange, I'm saying.

789
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: Well, apparently the publishing company I don't know. I don't know.

790
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: So now there's a witness named Robert Krozer. He is

791
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: the drug dealer who is high. So when you're talking

792
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: about drug dealing, apparently the housekeeper was just the distributor.

793
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: But then she had to buy the fentanyl from someone else.

794
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: So the person she bought it from was a man

795
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: named Robert Krozer. He is the drug dealer who supplied

796
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: the housekeeper. He gave a statement originally to investigators to

797
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: the prosecution that said he sold fentanyl to Carmen Lauber

798
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: on two different occasions. However, recently he has now come

799
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: forward and says he's changed his statements, claiming that he

800
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: did not sell her fentanyl, that he sold her oxy.

801
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: So he's claiming that when he made those original statements

802
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: when he said he did sell fentanyl to the housekeeper,

803
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Carmen was what was that he was coming out of wa.

804
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Was detoxing, and so he has he has no memory

805
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: during a certain period of time while he was detoxing,

806
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: probably because he was on medication or I don't know

807
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: how it works.

808
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: So now he's coming forward and his statements are very clear,

809
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: and he's saying that he did not sell fentanyl to

810
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: the housekeeper, he sold oxy, which is actually it's very

811
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: critical to this case because the case with the prosecution

812
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: against her is that she because he had a lethal

813
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: dose of fentanyl, and.

814
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: It believe him, and you take his testimony that he

815
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: did not give fetanyl to the housekeeper, then that means

816
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: the housekeeper did not give fentanyl to the defendant, which

817
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: means that which is how the victim died. So therefore,

818
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: if you can't place the weapon in the defendant's hands.

819
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: It's kind of you're creating a lot.

820
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: Of doubt, you're creating a lot of reason.

821
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: But it sounds silly. Well here's it sounds absolutely ridiculous

822
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: to say like, I don't know, it's like a technicality.

823
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: It's like, well, it wasn't fetanyl. It was oxy that

824
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: I got and I didn't I don't know. It's just

825
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: a whole And then he has incentive to say like, oh, wait,

826
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: he died of fentanyl. There's murder chargers. Yeah, I didn't

827
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: give her feentanyl, I her oxy.

828
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: Right. But also he's the drug dealer, he's not the chemist. No,

829
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: So in my mind when I read that, I was thinking.

830
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a degree in pharmacology.

831
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: No, that what drug dealer knows what the chemical makeup

832
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: is And isn't it possible that it's oxy? But it

833
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: could also happen layl Yeah, right, So.

834
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean it is an argument, Well, it's but the

835
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: orange notebook is of more value.

836
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: To me, like the Walk the Dog letter and the

837
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: Orange notebook. Right, So there we go with that. That's

838
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: the defense creating reasonable doubt by having him testify that

839
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually fentanyl. That it was oxy. It also

840
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: made me wonder if and this is just an opinion,

841
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: this is not based in anything other than maybe her

842
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: family got to him to this witness.

843
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Corey's family, Yes, got to the witness and said.

844
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: What like, maybe there's some witness tampering going on and

845
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: got in something some incentive to for him to recant

846
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and change it, because that's the crux of the case,

847
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: if it's not fentanyl that she was buying.

848
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you really are discussing that's not based on

849
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: anything I.

850
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: Just said, I'm just guessing.

851
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's guessing, not even based on aposti some evidence

852
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: out there that they had conversations.

853
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: No, I'm just guessing. It's just in the dark shot

854
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: at maybe there was some witness tampering going on, and

855
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: that's why this drug dealer has now changed his testimony.

856
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's the fact that he doesn't want charge

857
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: is brought against him.

858
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: Why because do you get lesser charges if it's oxy?

859
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like I didn't I didn't contribute

860
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: to this murder. I didn't play a part in this.

861
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, also with these drug charges and these witnesses

862
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: that are comeing forward that are testifying to this drugs.

863
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I just I just saw a podcast on this where

864
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: this was recent in this case, where there's motions being

865
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: made that these witnesses need independent counsel to represent them

866
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: because they're going to testify about drugs drug deal.

867
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: That's where the immunity comes in. Yeah, you want to

868
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: sometimes they want to grant like, we'll just give you

869
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: immunity because we don't really care about your stupid little

870
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: technol party we had the other night. We want to

871
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: know about this murder, and we want you to speak

872
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: freely and candidly without any worries or any you know,

873
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: censoring of anything.

874
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Speaker 1: Right, the only person that has immunity so far is

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Speaker 1: just the housekeeper, Carmen. But there are other people that

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Speaker 1: are going to testify that has to do with the

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Speaker 1: drugs and the drug deal and talking about all that.

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Speaker 1: So I believe it was the defense that made emotion

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Speaker 1: that said the state needs to supply these people with

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Speaker 1: their own independent counsel and pay for their counsel because

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: they're self incriminating and they don't have anyone.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you're a criminal, you need to be prepared

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Speaker 2: to have a criminal defense attorney, right, so that's tough

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Speaker 2: for them, okay, all right, Like I have no sympathy

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Speaker 2: for the fact that you have no sympathy. Oh no,

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00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: they're burdened with having to get an attorney because they

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Speaker 2: party on the weekends with drugs.

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Speaker 1: All right. So in August of twenty twenty four, a

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Speaker 1: judge ruled there was enough evidence to send Corey to

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Speaker 1: trial on charges including aggravated murder, attempted murder that's related

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Speaker 1: to the alleged Valentine's Day poisoning, drug distribution, insurance and

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Speaker 1: mortgage fraud and forgery. Corey pleaded not guilty to all counts,

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Speaker 1: so the trial for the murder and associated charges was

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Speaker 1: initially scheduled to begin in April of twenty twenty five. However,

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Speaker 1: the start of the trial was delayed and definitely as

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Speaker 1: her defense challenged certain aspects of jury selection. So the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors have amended the charging documents to separate financial crimes

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Speaker 1: like the mortgage fraud and forgery from the murder case,

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Speaker 1: consolidating them into a separate twenty six count case. So

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Speaker 1: the murder trial remains pending in County jail, delayed while

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Speaker 1: legal motions continue. However, I have read that she is

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Speaker 1: slated to go to trial in February of twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: so that's coming up in a couple months and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what's going to happen with that. Obviously, there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Hearing, maybe ups pushed, It might be issues with evidence

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Speaker 2: and discovery and all that stuff, especially with this Orange notebook.

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Speaker 2: I'm dying to read this in Orange notebook.

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Speaker 1: All right. So that is the Corey Richard's case that's

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Speaker 1: in Utah. I find it fascinating and obviously because she

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Speaker 1: is slated to go to trial soon, there's going to

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Speaker 1: be a lot of things that probably come up in

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Speaker 1: the next couple months with this case. So we will

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Speaker 1: continue to follow it and give you guys updates on

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Speaker 1: it and then obviously file the trial once it happens.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, thank you guys so much for listening to

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Speaker 1: a lot of times I do google the cases that

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