WEBVTT - Eugenio Derbez Gets Serious

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<v Speaker 1>This is Latino USA, the radio journal of News and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Maria Ino Jossa.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time they need a gang member, called Latino a narco,

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<v Speaker 2>color Latino, an abuser, a murder an abuser, called Latino.

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<v Speaker 1>A poor, downtrodden immigrant, refugee color.

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<v Speaker 2>Latino, and we were more than that, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>always fighting for that. I promise myself if I am

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<v Speaker 2>able one day to produce my own movies in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to change that narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Futuro Media and PRX, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria no Josa. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican actor and comedian Ehango Derves gets serious. Ellego Derves

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most famous Mexican artists and comedians

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<v Speaker 1>of our generation. And though we do not like to

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<v Speaker 1>do comparisons. In case there's someone who knows nothing about

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<v Speaker 1>Ilheingo der Revez, he would be the equivalent of Steve Martin,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, unable to walk down the streets of Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>City without getting recognized. He is an actor, a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>a director, and a producer. He got his start at

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<v Speaker 1>the forefront of many comedy series that have made families

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<v Speaker 1>laugh for decades on television. Some of them include Alderecho, Ijlderves,

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<v Speaker 1>Dereves and Guando and La Familia Pluce. You can still

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<v Speaker 1>catch some of Oheno's shows on reruns today. Ilhenho isn't

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<v Speaker 1>only famous in Mexico, though, he's a well known name

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<v Speaker 1>across Latin America and in many Spanish speaking households. Right

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<v Speaker 1>here in the US. You have been talking reorder.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan and I like its range and

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<v Speaker 3>the grow that he has done since he first started.

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<v Speaker 4>He's making Mexico proud.

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<v Speaker 1>Either Mexico Latin America. That's right. You might recognize Derbase

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<v Speaker 1>as the voice of Donkey in the Spanish language version

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<v Speaker 1>of the Shrek movies. He wrote his own jokes for

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<v Speaker 1>the role, and some say his version is even better

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<v Speaker 1>than the original English version.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh Wowesta.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent Yearshino has reinvented himself in the US, a

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<v Speaker 1>process that was not easy. While he was a mega

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<v Speaker 1>star in Mexico, he was just some guy name named

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<v Speaker 1>Ilho in Hollywood and in the United States. So he

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<v Speaker 1>sees the opportunity to completely transform his career by becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a dramatic actor. A big opportunity came knocking with the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Coda. He played the supporting role of a music teacher.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have something to say? I think so good,

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<v Speaker 5>then I'll see you in class Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>Coda went on to win the Oscar for Best Picture

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two. Now, Elhango Dedabase has returned to

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico to star in Radcal, his first leading dramatic role.

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<v Speaker 1>In the movie. Again, he plays the role of a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Serchio and one of his students is

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<v Speaker 1>Baloma Nojola, a brilliant student with a lot of potential.

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<v Speaker 1>This time the film is based on a true story.

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<v Speaker 1>Here now is my conversation with Ilhango de Bas. We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about his work, his drive, and how he keeps

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<v Speaker 1>his feet on the ground. I'm really happy that you're here, Iheno.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so very happy to finally meet in person.

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<v Speaker 1>So Eheno, we interviewed you in twenty thirteen, in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're back again, So that doesn't happen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot on Latino USA. I was thinking about this. You're

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<v Speaker 1>an artist that I respect.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to says Maria Calinda. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for your kind words.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in this interview is the notion of reinvention.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I wanted to talk to you a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>going back to your twenty seventeen interview where you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about leaving Dololokitini is behind in Mexico, all of the fame.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot walk down a street in Mexico without being mobbed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you have a little bit of distance, right

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<v Speaker 1>the time that you left Mexico to move to Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>the successes that you've had, But can you go back

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<v Speaker 1>to those first day where you were like me boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna move to la and start all over again,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you remember those emotions?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>It was hard to process because back then, every time

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<v Speaker 2>I was traveling to the US for a meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>an executive producer, for example, in Hollywood, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at the airport they were like, mister, the rest here

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<v Speaker 2>there and a whole antourage around me, paparazzis blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as soon as I landed in la it

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<v Speaker 2>was just me carrying my luggage asking for a taxi,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, then arriving to the producer's offices and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know how to write my name or pronounce it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, what can you write it down and

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<v Speaker 2>then sit down, wait, and they kept me waiting there

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<v Speaker 2>for half an hour. But that helped me a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to understand that a tira, which your feet on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>my fee in the ground. Because I was aware that

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<v Speaker 2>I was not more than anyone else that in one country,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trendy, super famous, famous, and then the other one,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a human being, that's it. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>really hard for me to process that. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time it was very I enjoyed it a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like living these two worlds sometimes in the

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<v Speaker 2>same day. So it was a very curious experience.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that has happened in your time

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States, because it's been what a

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<v Speaker 1>decade now A decade now, Okay, So when you move

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States, you're breaking out of the comedic

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<v Speaker 1>box and you're doing work that is increasingly more serious. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So what you do is that when you move to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, you form your own production company. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called Trespassos three pas three pass no medias, three pussy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really getting schooled by you, man, I wear pus.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you guys. So it's t R three pas.

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<v Speaker 2>Three in English and then pass true And because it's

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<v Speaker 2>bilingual company, we decided to do that and three puss.

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<v Speaker 4>It's guts because.

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<v Speaker 2>Every important decision that you're make in your life is

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<v Speaker 2>with your guts, with your three passes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, is that cool? So part of your

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<v Speaker 1>ethos right of actually trusting your gut, is that you

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<v Speaker 1>say yes to playing the role of Bernardo Bielovos in Coda,

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<v Speaker 1>about a community that is set aside the deaf community.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what Bowis said about up Dylan a

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<v Speaker 2>voice like sand and glue.

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<v Speaker 5>There are plenty of pretty voices with nothing to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have something to say?

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<v Speaker 4>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty two, Coda wins the Oscar for Best

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<v Speaker 1>picture an extraordinary moment, so oh yeaheno when you're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm on the stage at the Oscars,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that moment? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the most unbliable thing ever in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, first of all, he didn't expect it at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And I swear, and let me tell you why. It's easy.

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<v Speaker 2>We were a small independent movie, but you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>big commercial Hollywood names, and the other movies were full

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<v Speaker 2>of them, like Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Lawrence. The other

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<v Speaker 2>one was like Meryl Strip, another one that al Pacino,

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<v Speaker 2>another one Adam Driver, Lady Gaga. I mean, we were

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<v Speaker 2>against the biggest Hollywood actors ever.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely sure, completely sure, we're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 2>win anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was a part of you that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, wouldn't it be cool if that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's never gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was, I swear, I'm not kidding. I was

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent sure that was not gonna happen. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually enjoying. You know, when you were in

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<v Speaker 2>a show and you're always nervous, ah, what if this,

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<v Speaker 2>what if that?

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<v Speaker 4>I was completely relaxed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's never gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So and all of a sudden when they said and

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<v Speaker 2>the winner is coda, I don't even remember what happened there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like blurred in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember that I'm on stage already with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and remembering that. Since I was eight years old, every

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<v Speaker 2>single year, I was always watching the Oscars with my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was always dreaming. I was always telling my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do that. I want to be a storyteller.

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<v Speaker 1>Aiki Lindo. So you didn't say I want to be famous.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>In Espanol, mama yokiro de di came yokio, contaristorias, kumoras,

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<v Speaker 2>pelliculas in Hollywood, in.

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<v Speaker 1>Because so many people are just like I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the stage because I want to be famous.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it was it was not about fame.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about movies. I loved going to the movie

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<v Speaker 2>theaters and my mom and I were every single week

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<v Speaker 2>and we went to see at least two or even

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<v Speaker 2>for a day.

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<v Speaker 4>To Maria, like.

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<v Speaker 1>What movie theater would you go to?

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<v Speaker 2>In Mexico City, there were multi cinemas and they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>the schedule was already like four, six, eight ten, so something.

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<v Speaker 2>My mama was like, let's do four pm, this one, six,

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<v Speaker 2>this other one, eight and ten. So what I felt

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<v Speaker 2>every time I was in the movie theater, I was

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<v Speaker 2>moved by every story that I watched, and that made

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<v Speaker 2>me fell in love with cinema. And that's when I

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<v Speaker 2>told my mom, especially when I was watching the Oscars

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, Mom, I want to be one

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<v Speaker 2>of these guys. I want to be one day an

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<v Speaker 2>actor or a director. And my mom was really really kind.

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<v Speaker 2>She never said nah, but she was like I know,

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<v Speaker 2>my love, but it's it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of competition there. It's complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want, you need to be well prepared and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go to the US and take.

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<v Speaker 1>A She was like giving you a serious answer. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do it, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>do exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And many many years later, I was on that stage.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I was standing up on the stage and

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<v Speaker 2>the Oscar goes to okay, coda, there was a moment

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<v Speaker 2>that I looked copular.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember because I was connecting with my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, mom, here it was like, mamay and

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<v Speaker 2>here I am many many years later, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to go all the way back to that

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<v Speaker 2>small apartment in Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very, very touching.

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<v Speaker 1>What a beautiful story. And it's interesting that you bring

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<v Speaker 1>up your mom, who obviously had a big influence on you.

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<v Speaker 1>In relation to Coda, there were many things I loved

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<v Speaker 1>about the film. Focusing on the deaf community and then

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<v Speaker 1>just making them part of the mainstream is just such

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<v Speaker 1>a something really beautiful to watch. But what I loved

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<v Speaker 1>about Coda was that you were not You were not

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<v Speaker 1>El Mexicano, you know, the funny guy, the purposely thick accent.

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<v Speaker 1>You were an actor playing the role of the teacher. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I remember you, is playing the role of

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<v Speaker 1>the teacher, having this beautiful, this beautiful back narrative. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering about that decision to say yes to a

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<v Speaker 1>role where you were like not going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to fall back on the comedic tradition. This was serious

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<v Speaker 1>acting for you.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very challenging and I knew it was a risk.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, those kind of roles were

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<v Speaker 2>never offered to me when I was in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a time where I wanted to be also

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<v Speaker 2>a dramatic actor or start doing movies and things with

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<v Speaker 2>more depth, things that would be more serious, and they

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<v Speaker 2>never gave me a chance to do something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like always telling me, as you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to laugh they see you, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>ruin the movie. They were really really really straightforward when

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<v Speaker 2>they were telling me why and they were like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is a very dramatic movie and if

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<v Speaker 2>they see you on screen, they will immediately think that

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<v Speaker 2>you were a comedian, or they're gonna remember your characters.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever. So they never gave me a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the US, when they were offering me a coda,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I knew that the director she was not

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<v Speaker 2>aware of my background or my characters or my TV shows.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so refreshing because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Went into the audition just like.

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<v Speaker 2>As an actor, and because one of the producers told

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<v Speaker 2>the director, this guy is really popular among Latinos, it

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<v Speaker 2>would be great, it would be good to have a

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<v Speaker 2>Latino in this story. What I loved about the character

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<v Speaker 2>was that because you know, every time they need a

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<v Speaker 2>gang member called Latino and narco color Latino.

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<v Speaker 4>An abuser, a murder, an abuser called Latina.

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<v Speaker 1>Who were downtrodden immigrant refugee.

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<v Speaker 2>Called Latino, and we were more than that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was always fighting for that. And I promise myself, if

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<v Speaker 2>I am able one day to produce my own movies

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<v Speaker 2>in the US, I'm going to try to change that

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<v Speaker 2>narrative and portray Latinos in a different way. So when

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<v Speaker 2>they offered me this role, I knew it was perfect

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<v Speaker 2>for me because it was just a music teacher that

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be Latino. And that's the way it should be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's real diversity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that's life in the United States exactly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're Latinos are everywhere North Dakota, Alaska, Maine, Florida, Arkansas, everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>So immediately said yes to Koda, and so we made

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<v Speaker 2>we adapted some tough to say that he was from Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>that he studied in mexicoh blah blah, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>moved to the US. It was really a very important

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<v Speaker 2>role to me because they were finally giving me a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to be a dramatic actor and it was not

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<v Speaker 2>about being Latino.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people I know this happens to you, ill Henu,

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<v Speaker 1>it happens to me right, you reach a certain level

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<v Speaker 1>of visibility and because of social medi frankly, life can

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<v Speaker 1>look great on social media, but actually it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're having to go into an audition cold. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to audition for anything in Mexico and here

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<v Speaker 1>you're going into an audition where they're just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>try this guy out. People need to understand it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that hard part do for you? The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like, oh, what is I mean? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>your company is named Threepas. It's all about trusting your gut,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, the gut is also we can get wounded,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get hit right in our gut.

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<v Speaker 2>Right constantly, constantly since I moved to this country, every

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<v Speaker 2>single day I am doing things that make me feel

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable in a good way. I mean, when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico, I was the king in Televisa.

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<v Speaker 4>So here every.

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<v Speaker 2>Single day I'm like, oh my god, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting in Universal Studios or Paramounds or Sony and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of important executives and in English, and English is

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<v Speaker 2>not my first language. As you can tell, it's complicated,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm always like full of fear. It has helped

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<v Speaker 2>me to be more humble, honestly, and it makes me nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I prepare way more than when I was young,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm now in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the top of the line.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's nothing beyond that, so I need to

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<v Speaker 2>be really prepared. I need to take sometimes acting lessons

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<v Speaker 2>just for a casting. But on the other hand, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of things that keep me young, that keep

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<v Speaker 2>me hungry, that make me feel like when I was

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, seventeen eighteen years old, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>studying my life and fighting for credibility, a teenager fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for a place in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on Latino USA, we continue our conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican actor and producer a Hano that is and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the challenges of taking on a lead role in

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<v Speaker 1>a dramatic movie. Stay with us, not yes, Hey, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to continue chatting with Eheno Verbees. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about his transition from comedy star in Mexico and Latin

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<v Speaker 1>America to his most recent work, a dramatic lead role

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<v Speaker 1>in his own movie Radical. It's the true story of

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher in Matamoros, a Mexican border city, who tries

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<v Speaker 1>to support his students in an underserved community. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's jump back to our conversation. So you decide to

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<v Speaker 1>fight again in an interesting way because you know, after

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<v Speaker 1>you win the Oscar again, the doors now are more open,

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<v Speaker 1>just more open. Somebody could have thought, well, Eheno is

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<v Speaker 1>now going to do a fully English language film, very mainstream,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because he's fully mainstream now. Instead, you released

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of twenty twenty three radcal or Radical.

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<v Speaker 1>You make this fully spent language with subtitles. It did

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<v Speaker 1>win the Festival Favorite Award at the twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>Sundance Film Festival. That was huge, and we decided that

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to have you describe what Radical is about.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the plot, what's the storyline? It's based on

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<v Speaker 1>a true story.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wired magazine in the US named a twelve year

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<v Speaker 2>old kid the next Steve Jobs. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>story of a girl that was born in the trash

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<v Speaker 2>that wants to become an astronaut and that she has

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<v Speaker 2>the potential to get there. And then I learned that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a teacher behind this girl and many other things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I remember I was in twenty twelve living in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then, I was watching the news and everyone was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big moment.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a big It was a big moment in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Wiredespecialnologia a persona in particular Como Lasso says so.

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<v Speaker 4>Postive jobs, and I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how come this twelve year old girl from

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<v Speaker 2>a small public school in Matamora was now named the

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<v Speaker 2>next step Jobs? But they didn't tell a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the story, about the background of Paloma. So a few

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<v Speaker 2>years later, when I moved already to the US, the

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<v Speaker 2>journalist who wrote the original article came to us and

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<v Speaker 2>he offered the rights for the movie, and I immediately

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<v Speaker 2>say yes, let's do it. I said, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stories I need to tell. First because it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>Second because I know this is going to be universal.

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<v Speaker 2>This story could happen in any part of the world

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to feel identified. And also because it

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<v Speaker 2>was the kind of movies that I want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>in my company. Movies were Even though it's a raw,

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<v Speaker 2>very raw and tough movie, you can see also people

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<v Speaker 2>like Sei Ho, the teacher or Paloma the student. There

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<v Speaker 2>are good people, good Mexicans, and I was tired of

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<v Speaker 2>watching the news and just watching the faces of the

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<v Speaker 2>narcos or the criminals or the gang members.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's time to put the spotlight on the good

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<v Speaker 2>people too.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing is for you in this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's nothing between Eheno Derbz and the audience. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't see you actually in any comedic form. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>see you wearing any kind of interesting get up or

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<v Speaker 1>look at all. It's very, as you said, raw, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like again this time because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>in somebody else's film, it's your film. It's the comedic

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<v Speaker 1>megastar who is really choosing to be quite serious. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell us a little bit about that very

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<v Speaker 1>particular decision. Again, of the United States is a place

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<v Speaker 1>where you've had to keep yourself grounded. But what about

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<v Speaker 1>this notion about you, the comedic megastarre really saying I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be serious. I'm taking it yet another step further

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<v Speaker 1>than coda. Right. Absolutely, it's intentional.

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<v Speaker 2>It's completely intentional, and it was actually this is my

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<v Speaker 2>first dramatic role starring in a movie, because I've done

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but not much, but some dramatic roles

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<v Speaker 2>in other movies. But it's just like Coda probably was

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest role I've got.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was part of the ensemble cast, right, this

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<v Speaker 4>is you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is me just starring in a dramatic moviecause st Loco.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's that's what youngle that.

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<v Speaker 4>So look, I'm okay, you see see what.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably two days before you start shooting, I was having

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<v Speaker 2>second thoughts. I got cold feet. I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>am I doing here? People are going to criticize me.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna say, what what is he doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>Hello?

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<v Speaker 2>He should go back to his characters exactly, all that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I was like, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so nervous. I thought it was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably I thought that I should just produce it but

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<v Speaker 2>not be an actor in it. So I was panicked, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because the director, Christopher Sala, who's been all around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, he was not aware of Mexico and how

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<v Speaker 2>they perceive my image there, and so I was constantly

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<v Speaker 2>fighting with him, like Chris, you don't know people. They

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<v Speaker 2>know me really well, so I don't want them to

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<v Speaker 2>see hen you at a bese on screen, I want

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<v Speaker 2>them to see the character. So I was fighting to

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<v Speaker 2>put something in my face, like a different hairdle or

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<v Speaker 2>glasses or something, and he was like, no, I want

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<v Speaker 2>you just like that. Yeah, And I felt so insecure.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that I was talking to my business partner

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<v Speaker 2>and because he was like, if you want, you can

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<v Speaker 2>talk as a producer and say no, there's away and

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you want. I didn't want to because I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I've been there and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be the respectful with the director. So now I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>as an actor and I don't feel comfortable, but I

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<v Speaker 2>need to obey my director.

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<v Speaker 4>And probably he was right.

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<v Speaker 1>He was right, he was right.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it's probably one of the most beautiful compliments

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been reading constantly and social media that they say,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see Anulaves in that character. I forgot that

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<v Speaker 2>it Wasves and for me that it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best compliments I've got in my career.

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<v Speaker 1>So this notion of wanting to do stories based on

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<v Speaker 1>real life, right, because you also did the twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>film Miracles from Heaven. But there's again, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>quite serious decision. For you. I want to do stories

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<v Speaker 1>that are gritty, very much about gannas also three pass guts, desire,

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<v Speaker 1>being hungry, and based on real life. And why is that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love stories that are based in real life For

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<v Speaker 2>some reason me as an audience, I love those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stories because I feel they have an extra ingredient

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<v Speaker 2>that makes you realize that even if it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>it's incredible, you know that it happened and it immediately

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<v Speaker 2>has a bigger value for me.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a beautiful true story. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 4>love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always thinking that there are still good people that

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<v Speaker 2>can make great changes in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So the story is about said here the teacher who

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<v Speaker 1>is working with Baaloma. It's a lot about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking what's happening in failed educational systems. When we were

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<v Speaker 1>prepping the interviews, it's not a failed public educational system

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<v Speaker 1>just in Mexico. No, it's a failed public education system

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Even though the Secretary of Education

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<v Speaker 1>now Miguel Gardona, you know, talks about bilingual as a superpower.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big change, but it's in general in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to not teach history right, like literally literally

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<v Speaker 1>change it. So when can you give us a quick

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<v Speaker 1>update on what's happened in all of the time since

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<v Speaker 1>Baloma was written about and said he was the teacher, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the quick update and what do you want people

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<v Speaker 1>to take away?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there are a lot of messages here.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, let me tell you what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with the real Paloma and the real Serhiu. The real Paloma.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually in that kind of environment in those schools, kids

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<v Speaker 2>they don't even finish elementary school. When we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>to say, one of the worst problems in the school

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<v Speaker 2>that he was teaching, it was that kids quit in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the year because they have to work,

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<v Speaker 2>because they have to take care of their families, their

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<v Speaker 2>little brothers, so mom or dad can go work. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them end up in crime, you know, working for

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<v Speaker 2>the criminal organizado. They're not so it's unthinkable that someone

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<v Speaker 2>would go all the way up to high school forget

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<v Speaker 2>about college. Well, Paloma, she's like two or three months

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<v Speaker 2>away of finishing college nowadays. She wanted to be an astronaut,

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<v Speaker 2>but she ended up in law school because she felt

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<v Speaker 2>that she would be more helpful to her community by

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<v Speaker 2>being a lawyer and right now, she's about to finish

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<v Speaker 2>college as a lawyer. The teacher when I was shooting

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<v Speaker 2>the movie and he came to visit, I asked him,

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<v Speaker 2>where are you now and he said, I'm still in

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<v Speaker 2>the same school, teaching the same grade. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>but why, and he said, after the magazine came out,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people approached me, especially private schools, and

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<v Speaker 2>they offered me amazing opportunities, a great salary. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>a much better place, with a lot of equipment and computers,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And I felt that I was betraying my

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<v Speaker 2>kids by leaving to a better place. So I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in the same school, in the same grade

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel that here is where they need me more.

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<v Speaker 1>That isn't that beautiful the lessons we learn from the

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<v Speaker 1>people that we need. You know, as a journalist, when

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<v Speaker 1>people ask me like, oh, what famous person, It's like, no, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who inspire me the most are the people.

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<v Speaker 1>They are just out there doing their thing exactly, whether

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<v Speaker 1>as artists or as teachers, or as people defending their community.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it is impressionante, I know. If you look at

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<v Speaker 1>humanity from the possibility as opposed to humanity as a threat, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you are of these two worlds. Are you hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>about the United States? Are you hopeful about Mexico. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an election year in the United States, it's an election

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<v Speaker 1>year in Mexico. Like, are you feeling hopeful or not?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>Not much, honestly, why Because I remember years ago we

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<v Speaker 2>were all excited about some candidates and there will always differences,

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to, oh, I'll go right or left,

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<v Speaker 2>or black or white. But nowadays in both countries, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't see like something that you like, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. It's not like, oh, I would like this

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<v Speaker 2>person to be or president in this country or in

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<v Speaker 2>this other country. I feel that it's like always the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. There's not a new air or a big change,

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<v Speaker 2>and that makes me a little bit concerned. I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to have another option, you know, so we can

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<v Speaker 2>at least have something different. But nowadays it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>everything is the same. And I love both countries because

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<v Speaker 2>I was born in Mexico, but now I live in

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<v Speaker 2>the US and I love the US too, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>worried about both countries.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we're gonna switch Channa Lists. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about dreams. One of the things that I do. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a professor at Barnard College, my alma mater, and I

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<v Speaker 1>start all of my classes I ask my students, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your craziest, wildest dream, Like I want to be an astronaut.

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<v Speaker 1>So right now, do you have a crazy, wild dream

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<v Speaker 1>that you're like that you're prepared to say?

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<v Speaker 4>God?

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<v Speaker 2>For many many years, it was winning an Oscar, But

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<v Speaker 2>now I feel that it's more about telling stories that

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<v Speaker 2>could change the world more than winning an award. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>there are movies that are amazing that they didn't made

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<v Speaker 2>it to the Oscars, and sometimes there are movies that

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<v Speaker 2>won an Oscar and they're not that good. Probably, So

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm part now of a movie that won on Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes me happy. I'm probably still I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to have one by myself. Probably that would be my

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<v Speaker 2>wildest dream. But also make a movie that can make

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<v Speaker 2>a difference. And that said, I probably feel that radical

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<v Speaker 2>is one of them. So I feel that radical can

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<v Speaker 2>make a lot of huge changes in the world. We

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<v Speaker 2>are already talking to politicians in Mexico and in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>and my hope is that we can start a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about a new way of teaching kids, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>they can approach to Cerciu, the teacher in Radical, to

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<v Speaker 2>see if we can reply his model in other schools.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be for me one of a dream come true.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely the best.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been so much fun talking to you, which

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<v Speaker 1>I get to ask us then we want to come

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<v Speaker 1>and visit Latino Usa. We love having you on the

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<v Speaker 1>show and continue success.

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