1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: A husband from Hell, an IRS agent, allegedly murders his 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: wife through a fetish website because of a hot nanny 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: love triangle. Their words, not mine, a hot nanny love triangle. 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. I want to 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: Did a glamorous apair scheme, an elaborate murder plot where 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: her boss turned lover's wife is found stabbed dead. Husband 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: has said I have shot somebody because they were stabbing 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: my wife. 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: This is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: Sir, Hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay? 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: Are you the one who was injured. 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 5: Responding? 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: Okay? Tell me? How can you tell me how her 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: breathing is? 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 6: She still heart still be. 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: her side. He said, she's breathing normally. She's just not 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: responding to you. 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 5: She's all right, she's good at it. She's got a 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 5: very nick hold in her neck. 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: Okay, just keep up flying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more. 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: Was already there. 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Wait a minute. 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Before I go out to investigative reporter GG mckalvey. Let 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: me start with veteran trial lawyer defense attorney Paul Bautista, 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: prominent criminal defense attorney in New York. Best selling author 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: of Sibyl Rico, fourth edition. 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: Paul Bautista, that was the hut. He didn't sound very upset. 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: He's just like, oh, yeah, she's got a big hole 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: in her net. 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: If I came home and found my husband with a 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: hole in his neck, I've been screaming at the top 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: of my lungs. 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Why do we have to play that again? 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 7: His voice makes no difference whatsoever. He's a calling to 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 7: report a cry. There are very different voices, very different 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 7: tones of voice. I don't think that's an indicase anything answering. 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: You know what. 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Let me see Batista, Batista, you can only get just 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: so far on charm and good looks. 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: But you do have that going for you. So you 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: say this doesn't mean anything, I'm gonna hear that again 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: and listen for this. Now you got the hot nanny. 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Their words, not mine. I did not call this a 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: hot nanny love triangle. 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: Oh and look at that mouthful of red lipstick. 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: That's a show stopper. Oh and in every quote candid picture. 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: But wait for it. 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: I want you to hear them, do you do you? 53 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: They're going like, instead of saying she's breathing, she's breathing. Translation, 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: Oh my story, she's still breathing. 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: Why won't she die? 56 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: Okay, listen, sir, hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay, 57 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: are you the one who was injured? 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 5: She's not responding? 59 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 3: Okay, you tell me how can you tell me how 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: her breathing is? 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 5: She's still hear still beat? 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on 64 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: her side. He said she's breathing normally. She's just not 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: responding to you. 66 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 5: Right, she's good at it. She's got a buried hole 67 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 5: in her neck. 68 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: Okay, just keep applying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more. 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: Was already there. 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I have to this out. I hope doctor Delatory, 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: that you can say this. They're like, she's not responding, 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: she's still breathing, I asked, a pretty big hole on 73 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: her neck. That's what it sounds like to me, Delatory. 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: It does. 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 8: It sounds very stilted. Yeah, it sounds stilted. It sounds rehearsed. 76 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 8: It sounds like this was always meant to be kind 77 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 8: of a teleplay that they were always meant to say 78 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 8: when as soon as they got on the computer, as 79 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 8: soon as they got on the phone. I think that 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 8: the expectation is that if you really did stumble upon 81 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 8: this scene and everything unfolded accurately, you'd be way more 82 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 8: emotional than just kind of the robotic nature in which 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 8: you're describing what you're seeing. 84 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you heard Paul Batista, and I 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: guess he's going to argue that to a jury with 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: a straight face, and he's won a lot of cases. 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: It apparently works. Let's listen to more than nine one 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: one call? 89 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: Who's the person? Where's the persons bleeping? Are they? Where 90 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: are they in the house? 91 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 5: Well upstairs? Okay? 92 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 4: And where is the person that was shot? 93 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: Are they also in the house downstairs. 94 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 6: In the bedroom? Okay? 95 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now, 96 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: like and satment's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct, 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it 98 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: where it is? Okay? So you don't know the individual 99 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: date that was shot. 100 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: Okay, we're showing you interspersed shots of the hot nanny, 102 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: my galie, and we're showing you the wife the debt. 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: There's there's the wife. She's so cute. Oh my goodness, 104 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: those lips, what is that? They just take over the 105 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: whole picture. 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: This is the nanny that, without doubt, no question, is 107 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: having an affair with the IRS agent that certainly hurts 108 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: the IRS credibility. She is having an affair with the 109 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: husband the IRS agent that's been proven. And doctor Delatory 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: before I go back to my observations of the nine 111 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: one one, Oh, there you go. I'm glad you got 112 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: that cleavage in. Can I see that shot again because 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to miss that? Oh yeah, okay, that 114 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: is perfectly positioned. Okay, not judging, don't care. All I 115 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: care about are the two dead bodies. But to doctor Delatory, Delatory, 116 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna let Gg McKelvey tell you this. 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: Joining me Gg McKelvey investigated journalist, host podcast Pretty Lie 118 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: and Alibis, Gg, could you tell Delatory and Bautista Batista 119 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: listen about the photos that were found as soon as 120 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: the wife is dead, when police go back the hot 121 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: nanny has already moved photos of her and her and 122 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: the husband. Yeah, they photo on the side of the 123 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: bed into the master bedroom, and her clothes are. 124 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 9: Hanging in there, including lingerie that they just showed, you know, 125 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 9: to the jury. Yeah, I mean there were loved up 126 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 9: photos of them, several of them placed in the master bedrooms. 127 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: Where these murders occurred. 128 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 9: Initially they started out staying in her bedroom after the murders, 129 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 9: but moved into what was Christine and Brendan's room, and 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 9: not only slept in the same bed where she was killed, 131 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 9: put their photos everywhere. 132 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: It's just it blows my mind. 133 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 9: Nancy, How could you lay your head down in that 134 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 9: room knowing what you did in there? 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: Okay, did you just say she moves in the loved 136 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: up photos, put them aside the bed, moves in her lingerie, 137 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 2: which has been shown to the jury. 138 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier. But wait a minute. 139 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: Sleeping in the same bed question, Paul Bautista, where the 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: sheep's still warm from the dead wife? 141 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 7: Were the sheets still warm? At what point? There's no 142 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 7: issue here. He was having an affair with his old pair. 143 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 7: That does not constitute evidence that he has. 144 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: Not his pair. She's not changing his diapers. 145 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: It's the baby's O pair. Maybe she is changing his diapers. 146 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: They did manage to commit the murder through a fetish website. 147 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 2: So I don't know who's wearing diapers and who's dressed 148 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: up like a cat and a dog, but. 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: I do know that these two. 150 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: Hey listen to this Batista to you, doctor delatory and 151 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: that second portion of the nine one one call we 152 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: just played, you know what, let's hear that again. I 153 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: want to see if the same thing jumps out at you. 154 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: Let's hear it. 155 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: Who's the person? Where's the person who's bleeping? 156 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 6: Are they? 157 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: Where are they in the house? 158 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 5: Were upstairs? Okay? 159 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: And where is the person that was shot? 160 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms? 161 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 6: Okay? 162 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now, 163 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: lights and Saturn's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct, 164 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: any weapon is secured, I have, I have I Okay, 165 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: can you just believe it where it is? 166 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 10: Yeah? 167 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: Okay, So you don't know the individual that that was shot. 168 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 10: Think about. 169 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 170 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: Where is the person who is bleeding? Are they? Where 171 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: are they in the house. 172 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 5: Where upstairs? Okay? Okay? 173 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: And where is the person that was shot? 174 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms? 175 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 6: Okay? 176 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now, 177 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: likes and Saturn's okay. And any weapon is secured correcting, 178 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it 179 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: where it is? 180 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 5: Okay? 181 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 3: And so you don't know the individual date that was shot. 182 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: You know how many times I would play this in 183 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: front of the jury. I'd have this thing on loop, 184 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: doctor delatory, I'll kick it off. One thing that strikes me, 185 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: Number one, I would be screaming. 186 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: My husband has a hole of his neck. Hurry, I'm 187 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: not hearing that. 188 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: In fact, what I notice is the husband refers to 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: his wife as they they're upstairs. It makes me wonder, 190 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: are he and the nanny, the so gold hot nanny 191 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: downstairs and. 192 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: They've left the wife upstairs with the. 193 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: Complete stranger that they lured to the home off a 194 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: fetish website. 195 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: According to the State, they they it's like oh. 196 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh upstairs, and then they go, have you secured 197 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: the weapon? 198 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't say yes, my gun. It's like, yeah, I've 199 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: secured the weapon. 200 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: And then they go do you know the individuals shot 201 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: and they say, no, it's his wife. 202 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, listen again, it sounds like this was all something 203 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 8: that they had been working on previously. This looked. This 204 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 8: sounds like statements where they were rehearsing, and I think 205 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 8: that goes to premeditation. These people weren't just there wasn't 206 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 8: something that just happened on a whim. This didn't happen 207 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 8: because of crime of passion or whatever it is that 208 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 8: we want to say. These two individuals have been plotting 209 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 8: for a very long time and had already created this 210 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 8: scenario in their minds and how it was going to 211 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 8: be played out. The reason why they could move into 212 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 8: a bedroom and have the lingerie and everything and all 213 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 8: the pictures, The reason why that could happen was because 214 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 8: the wife in their mind was already a non human obstacle. 215 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: Right. 216 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 8: The person that was going to come in, who thought 217 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 8: he was there for a specific reason then ends up 218 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 8: getting shot. That person was a non human obstacle that 219 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 8: they needed to get in the way to get to 220 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 8: this call, to set up their alibi. 221 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the transcript of this, and I'm going 222 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: to be clear because it's not really clear, Sidney Sander 223 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter. It's not really clear 224 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: on what they're telling the nine on one operator, but 225 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: one victim, the stranger that according to police, they the 226 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: nanny and thers agent husband. They lured him to the 227 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: home through a fetish website. There he is, He thinks 228 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: he's just going for some gratuitous sex off a fetish 229 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: website and he ends up dead. 230 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: Okay, he shot, The wife is stabbed. The wife is stabbed. 231 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: It's not really clear on the n I'm one called 232 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: Sydney right. 233 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 10: So Christine is stabbed and they claim on this nine 234 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 10: to one one fall that the stranger that was shot, 235 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 10: who is actually Joseph Ryan, is the one who stabbed Christine. 236 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 10: She says, they came into this room and Joseph Ryan 237 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 10: is on top of Christine. She sees Brendan screams for help, 238 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 10: and Brendan shoots Joseph Bryan, who then falls off of 239 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 10: Christine and she thinks she's been saved. So this is 240 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 10: an unimaginable situation. Your house has been broken into, someone 241 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 10: is attacking you. They're wielding a knife. You're terrified, and 242 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 10: you think no one's home and it's this miracle that 243 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 10: your husband comes home and is managing to save you. 244 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 10: But as Joseph Bryan falls off of Christine Banfield, Brendan 245 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 10: climbs on top of her, uses the knife that he 246 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 10: was holding and stabbed her. 247 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: Is so far fetched the story that she's telling. But 248 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: the grain of truth is that they colluded together to 249 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: kill the wife so they could be together. I don't 250 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: get why they just didn't get a divorce. He remains 251 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Listen 252 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: to more of the nine woman call. 253 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: And so where are you are you? Are you taking 254 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: care of the person upstairs? 255 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 4: Dry? 256 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: I have officers they're pulling up outside. Okay, to just 257 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: make sure the weapons, put the police where it is 258 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: and it's secure, and just keep buying pressure and make 259 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: sure your door is a locked and we make sure 260 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: that's done. 261 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 4: All right. 262 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 6: As much as your kid. 263 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: Okay, So make sure your weapon is down, sir. And 264 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: now you're coming to the door with your hands up 265 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: so they are just can see you. I love you. 266 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: So Gg McKelvey joining us investigative journalist and start our 267 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: pretty lies and alibis we hear the nanny state? Yeah, 268 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: I'm trying to help, but it's just quote so long? 269 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: What is so long? Gg? 270 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 9: I think she's referring to the response time by first responders, 271 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 9: is all I can figure out with that. You know, 272 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 9: It's a good thing they didn't go into acting because 273 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 9: they both stunk trying to convince this nine one one 274 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 9: operator this was a true emergency. 275 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: But she did say. 276 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 9: A couple of times in that nine one one call, 277 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 9: what's taking so long? 278 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: Or where are they or something. 279 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 9: To that effect, you know, probably just to give the 280 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 9: impression that she is scared and really wants help. 281 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: There. You know, I took it a completely different way. 282 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: I thought she meant that the knife wound to the 283 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: neck was so long. But I think, Gigi, you're probably right, 284 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: So I need. 285 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: To understand her story. Okay. 286 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: And of course, isn't this the way Paul Batista. They're 287 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: like two cats cine barrel. They both are under suspicion, 288 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: and they're both now doing that pointing the finger at 289 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: each other. We see it at trial all the time. 290 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: That's why I like to try people together. The only 291 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: way to do that is, of course, don't use interlocking 292 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: statements against the other. 293 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: Right, there are ways to try them together. 294 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: Constitutionally, that did not happen here, and I'm sure they 295 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: have a reason why. But Paul Bautista, this is just 296 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: sop standed operating procedure. 297 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: Blame the other one so much for true love, Paul. 298 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 7: Nancy, this is one of the most preposterous stories of 299 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 7: a cooperating witness I have ever heard in forty years 300 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 7: of doing this. It's intricate, it's bizarre, and it sounds 301 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 7: like the concoction of a lady meeting the au pair 302 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 7: who has been sitting in jail for a year, living 303 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 7: a delusional life, and suddenly she wants to cooperate with 304 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 7: the prosecutors and she conveys this utterly, bizarrely intricate story. 305 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 7: Not a credible witness. 306 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: You stated that she's been sitting in jail for a year. 307 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: Oh my stars, what a difference twelve months can make. 308 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: You've got to see them before. There's the before shot. 309 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: There's the before Take a look at her. 310 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Now, what about it, Patista? 311 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 7: You know the prosecutor obviously dressed up this lady for 312 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 7: her testimony to look like a household servant. The picture 313 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 7: of her entering the courtroom and speaking to the jury 314 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 7: of course, is entirely different from the sex pot picture 315 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 7: taken god knows when. But before she went to jail, 316 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 7: they're dressing her up to sound convincing, calm, remorseful. She's 317 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 7: a puppet. She's making up the story. 318 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Paul, Patissa, you said that the state dressed her up. 319 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no. She hasn't been sentenced. 320 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: Her own lawyers dressed her up like that for a 321 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: maximum Dowdy effect. 322 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: And I want to show you this trick. 323 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: Let's see Jody Arius before and after before. 324 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: She went to trial and her on the stand. Yeah, 325 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: there you go. 326 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so to you, doctor John DELATORI, you see with Jody, Yeah, 327 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: she's a blonde bombshell before she sees the jury, and 328 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: then when she goes in front of the jury, she 329 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: looks like Grandma Spinster. What message are these women trying 330 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: to convey? Well, actually, their defense lawyers. 331 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 8: Well, I think that that change is exactly what you're 332 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 8: trying to describe, which is to either mitigate their overall 333 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 8: culpability and whatever it is that they have alleged to 334 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 8: have done, or it's about making them seem like someone 335 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 8: who is not capable of engaging in a problematic behavior. 336 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 8: The more homely you look, the more matronly you look, 337 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 8: the less likely a jury is to say that you 338 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 8: engage in murder, no matter what it is that you've 339 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 8: been accused of doing. But the prior right, those are 340 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 8: all the things that you do as your own free 341 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 8: willing spirit, as the as the person that is trying 342 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 8: to attract attention. But in the court photos, you're trying 343 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 8: to look like someone who wouldn't be drawing that kind 344 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 8: of attention or engaging in those kinds of behaviors. 345 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 11: Fex County Police saw users responded to a nine to 346 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 11: one one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom, 347 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 11: we found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot 348 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 11: wounds and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine 349 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 11: was transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We 350 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 11: recovered rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at 351 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 11: seven forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine 352 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 11: to one one call that was an open line hang up. 353 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 11: That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later, 354 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 11: at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone 355 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 11: nine to one one call from the very same cell 356 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 11: phone and two persons communicated with our nine one one 357 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 11: call taker. At that eight oh two nine one one 358 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 11: cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate 359 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 11: with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells 360 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 11: the nine one one call taker that he just shot 361 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 11: a man inside of his home, and the husband tells 362 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 11: the nine on one call taker that the man who 363 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 11: he had just shot had stabbed his wife. 364 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: How did this loving, fateful wife end up stabbed dead 365 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: in the family home? And then a complete stranger happens 366 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: to be a bondage and discipline that is, just what's 367 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: he doing in the home and he's dead. 368 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 12: The first nine one one call came from me what 369 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 12: we now know to be the O pair cell phone. 370 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 12: That nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible 371 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 12: on that call was a quick hang up. We noted 372 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 12: that call. Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one 373 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 12: one from the same cell phone, a nine on one 374 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 12: call was made and on the phone was first to 375 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 12: OH Pair communicating with us, and then she apparently handed the. 376 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 7: Phone to the husband. 377 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 12: The husband communicated with us, and that's when the husband 378 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 12: told us that he shot and killed a man inside 379 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 12: of his home. And that's when the husband told us 380 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 12: that the man who he shot and killed was stabbing 381 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 12: his wife. 382 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: GG McKelvey joining us an investigative journalist and star a 383 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: pretty lice and alibised gig in a nutshell because this 384 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: is very convoluted what happened. 385 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: Because I've got a hard. 386 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: Time believing that a stranger comes over for fetish sex 387 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: and murders the wife. He may for sex, but I 388 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: don't think he came over to commit a murder. 389 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: He didn't. He was catfished. 390 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 9: They used Christine's computer to set up an account on 391 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 9: this fat life website where like minded people meet up 392 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 9: and do these kind of things. 393 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: They only wait a minute, Wait a minute, look around, 394 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: look around. 395 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: Are you in a monastery? No, you're not. You're on 396 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: crime Stories. When you say people go to this website. 397 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: To do these kind of things, what kind of things? Bondage, 398 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. People like to tie each 399 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: other up and torture each other when they have sex. 400 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: They like it. Or people that dress up like dogs 401 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: and cats or other animals. They're called furrees. 402 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: You're not in u you're not in a confessional, you're 403 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: not in a monastery. 404 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: Just tell it like it is. What happened. 405 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 9: Brendan and Juliana set up a fake profile on fet life, 406 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 9: which is a website where people go who are into bondage, 407 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 9: being tied up more violent acts that are consensual, and 408 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 9: pretended to be Christine looking for somebody who was willing 409 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 9: to come to her. 410 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: House to do this. 411 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 9: What's interesting is they only worked on this website when 412 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 9: Christine was home as part of the alibi to say 413 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 9: she was here, she was the one doing it, And 414 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 9: eventually they found Joe Bryan. 415 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: Hold on Gigi and Gigi, that's really significant what you 416 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 2: just said. Well, everything that you've said is a correct 417 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: and be significant. But do you remember, let me think 418 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: of a good example. Okay, Top Mom, that's always an example. 419 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: For so many things. 420 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: Remember when Top Mom Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony takes 421 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: a stand, goes under oath and I believe perjured herself. 422 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: Out of mother's love. 423 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: To try and save that no good daughter, Top Mom 424 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: Casey Anthony, And she got up on the stand and 425 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: she said that she is the one that performed those 426 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: damning computer searches about how to make homemade chloroform. And 427 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 2: it's believed that little Kelly was chloroformed with homemade chloroform 428 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: and passed out, and that somehow she oweded on something 429 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: and died in top mom's trunk. 430 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony gets up there and says it spell checked me. 431 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: I was writing about chlora phil because we have bamboo 432 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: growing up in our backyard and I'm like, that doesn't 433 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: even make sense. She was willing to risk perjury charges 434 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: to try and save her daughter. That is a mother's 435 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: love right there. But the point is they were creating 436 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 2: this creepy fetish website while Christine, the murder victim, the 437 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: mom was home, so it could be argued. 438 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: She was home, this is her computer. We didn't do 439 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: it while she was out. 440 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: At work or out playing or out shopping. Is that 441 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: what you're telling me? 442 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 9: Yes, And actually fooled some of the investigators who thought 443 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 9: it was Christine, and they were reassigned to different units 444 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 9: because they disagreed with the theories of the other investigators 445 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 9: that Joe Ryan was catfished by Juliana and Brendan. 446 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: Was he coming over gg to tire her up and 447 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: have sex or to come over and brandish a weapon? 448 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: What was the communication on that fetish website? 449 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 9: The communication was that he was going to come over 450 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 9: and bring ropes and a knife and chains and it 451 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 9: would be consensual, and there may be some resistance from Christine, 452 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 9: but it's all part of the act and to keep going. 453 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: Okay, doctor John Delatory, you are the licensed psychologists specializing 454 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: in forensic psychology. 455 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: You can be found on TikTok at. 456 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory, explain what's happening here exactly. 457 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 8: And I think that's that's a key element here because 458 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 8: when individuals are engaging in this non consensual, consensual sex act, 459 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 8: you're not going to really involve weapons because that's too 460 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 8: far of a kink to do on a very first time. 461 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 8: There's a level of trust that has to go into 462 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 8: the two partners that are participating in this, so it's 463 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 8: not like you're just going to show up out of nowhere. 464 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 8: So he had to be convinced. Ryan needed to be 465 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 8: convinced that this was an element of the of the 466 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 8: act that Christine absolutely wanted to never have met with 467 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 8: him before, and that's a that's that's not something that 468 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 8: is fairly consistent within the kink community. So there must 469 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 8: have been more communication is going on than what we 470 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 8: really know that Christine would have been involved in. Had 471 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 8: she just been doing this by herself, other people had 472 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 8: to be participated. 473 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 12: You know. 474 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Paul Batista, a defense attorney. 475 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe that this young mom, 476 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: who is exhausted from raising a child and keeping all 477 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: the plates in the air, has time and energy to 478 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: go on a fetish website and arrange for someone to 479 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: come tie her up on the one morning she can 480 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: sleep in. 481 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 7: Well, you may find that hard to believe, Nancy, but 482 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 7: that doesn't do anything to prove the guilt of the 483 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 7: defendant people. She may she may well have desire this, 484 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 7: She may well of arrange it. After all, put. 485 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: Him back up, I got. 486 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 7: Bedroom. 487 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: Okay. Let me ask you a couple of lightning around questions, 488 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: Paul Sai, Have you ever given birth? 489 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 7: Have I ever been? 490 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 10: What? 491 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: Given birth? 492 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: Had a baby come out of your stomach through your 493 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 2: regina and then raise it? 494 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: That's giving birth? 495 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 13: No? 496 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: I okay, it's exhausting, exhausting. So this mom has one 497 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: day she can sleep in, and she plans a fun 498 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: day for her daughter, her baby girl, to go to 499 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: the zoo with the nanny. And she goes to sleep, 500 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: and what do you know, here comes Ryan with a rope. Okay, 501 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: JJ McKelvey, take it from right there? What do police 502 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: believe happens right there? 503 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 9: Well, Brendan and Juliana had given Joe Ryan the instruction 504 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 9: that the door would be unlocked and for him to 505 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 9: let himself in. He goes up to the bedroom, follows 506 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 9: the instructions that were given by Brendan and Julieana one 507 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 9: time through a voice call with Juliana actually, and then 508 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 9: when Juliana is placed in the cul de sac, sees 509 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 9: Joe Ryan come in. Brendan comes home. When he goes upstairs, 510 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 9: he sees Joe Ryan going according to plan, and Christine 511 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 9: looks at her husband and says he has a knife. 512 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 9: Then then Brendan shoots Joe Ryan. Christina tells the O 513 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 9: pair Juliana to call nine one one, and this is 514 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 9: when Brendan begins stabbing his wife. 515 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: Sydney Summer Crime Stories. Is that your understanding of what 516 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: police are alleging? 517 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: Let me get this straight. So the hot nanny Margalise 518 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: leaves with the baby to go to the zoo. 519 00:29:50,960 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: Then Ryan shows up with all Isaku Trema for fetish sex. 520 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: So you know, the hot nanny Margalise forgets the sandwich 521 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: lunches she made, comes back to the house and goes, oh, 522 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: there's a strange car. 523 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: And instead of just walking in, why would that? 524 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: She calls the husband, her lover right there? Why not 525 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: just walk in just because you see an odd car 526 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: in the driveway? 527 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: The two of them. He quickly shows up. The two 528 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: of them come in. The wife now dead. 529 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: Christine screams, he's got a knife. They the hot nanny 530 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: and the irs agent husband shoot Ryan dead. 531 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: Then they go upstairs and then she is stabbed in 532 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: the neck. 533 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: Who else could have done it? Ryan was already shot dead. 534 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: Is that the sequence of events that you understand, Sydney? 535 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: Does Gigi have it right? 536 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 10: Oh? Nancy, this all happened in just a matter of moments. 537 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 10: So yes, she sees this car in field, never went 538 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 10: into work that day. He was waiting nearby to be 539 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 10: able to come to the house and catch this man 540 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 10: in the act, right, And so this all happens in 541 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 10: just a matter of moments, and all in that master bedroom. 542 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 10: So Christine is already under what she believes to be 543 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 10: an attack, while Joseph Ryan believes he's acting out a 544 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 10: rape roleplay in a consensual manner and her fighting him 545 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 10: is all part of this roleplay situation, so Ryan is 546 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 10: literally on top of Christine when Banfield and Julianna bust 547 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 10: into the master bedroom and she cries out for help. 548 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 10: She's looking to her husband and this nanny Paul nine 549 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 10: one one. He has a knife and Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan, 550 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 10: who believes her husband just walked in on this affair. 551 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 10: And then Christine thinks she's been saved. She thinks, by submiracle, 552 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 10: her husband came home and saved her from this attacker, 553 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 10: and then he climbs on top of her Brendan Banfield 554 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 10: and stabs her at death moments after she thought he 555 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 10: had just saved her life. 556 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 14: Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year 557 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 14: old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with 558 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 14: her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moggalies. They leave their 559 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 14: Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Maggiales 560 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 14: realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house, 561 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 14: the old pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and 562 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 14: a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she 563 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 14: calls her employer Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay 564 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 14: in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield 565 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 14: is at the house in minutes and they enter the 566 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 14: house together. The al pair takes the four year old 567 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 14: girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to 568 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 14: the master suite. 569 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: What am I earie? How did an innocent day at 570 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: the National Zoo with a Brazilian a pair end up 571 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: with a double homicide? 572 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: Why does she have to have a mouthful of red 573 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: lipstick to take care of a baby? 574 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the moms to have just sent her straight back 575 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: to her room to wipe that mouth off. 576 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: What is that that said? 577 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: That's the first red flag when the nanny the au 578 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: pair is taking cleavage shots in the bathroom and wearing 579 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: a skimpy lingerie at home. As a matter of fact, 580 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: let's take a look at the lingerie. Paul Batista, this 581 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: was found not just in her room, but it's in 582 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: the master bedroom. 583 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: She has moved all of. 584 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: Her bustiers, her corsets, her thongs aka anal floss into 585 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: his bedroom. 586 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: Uh what do you? 587 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear you explain that a way. 588 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: Have you looked at this picture. No, I have no 589 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: So are you are you married? 590 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 7: Yes? Nancy? 591 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: I am okay, So she's still there. 592 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: What if the maid, the babysitter, the girl Friday, moved 593 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: all of her anal flows into your closet? 594 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: What do you think your wife would say? I should 595 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: not just go hand in the gun right now. 596 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 7: Look, there is no issue here. Brendan was having an 597 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 7: affair with the O pair, no issue about that. Are 598 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 7: these normal people? Probably not. And it is not normal 599 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: for the pair to then move into the same bedroom 600 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 7: where the husband's wife has been murdered. That's not normal. 601 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 7: But that is not an indication of the guilt of 602 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 7: mister Benfield. 603 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: Do you just ever get exhausted with making these claims 604 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: just because they're having an affair at No, that's not 605 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: evidence of guilt. But as you know, evidence from before, during, 606 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: and after the incident may be brought in front of 607 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: the jury. The sheets were still warm where Mommy had 608 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: been sleeping when the hot nanny moves her anal floss 609 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: into Mommy's closet and props up a picture of the 610 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: nanny with. 611 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: Her husband beside the bed. 612 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: Okay, just imagine all that scintillating talk they had that 613 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 2: pillow talk about his irs investigations. 614 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: No offense irs. 615 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 2: That said to me, that's evidence. After the fact, they 616 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: had no remorse. They couldn't wait. And the baby girl, 617 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 2: this is happening down the hallway from her nursery. 618 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: Oh there's a babysitter going to sleep with daddy. Okay, 619 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: she's gonna remember that. Okay. I wanna get back to 620 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: the facts. 621 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: To GJ McKelvey joining us Star of Pretty Liza and 622 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 2: alibis what exactly were the injuries. 623 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 9: To the Bodiesjoseph Ryan was shot in the head and 624 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 9: the chest because the last shot actually came from Juliana 625 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 9: when they realized Joe Ryan was still making noises. So 626 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 9: she had a gun in her possession that was given 627 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 9: by Brendan and she fired the fatal shot to Joe Ryan. 628 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 9: For Christine, she had mostly stab injuries to her neck, 629 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 9: some of them went as deep as two and a 630 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 9: half inches and caused a defect at the base of 631 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 9: her skull. So very violent injuries and rapidly fatal for both, 632 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 9: I need. 633 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 2: A translation in medical jargon, and joining me to do 634 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: that is a renowned medical examiner, the chief medical exammer 635 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 2: Terren County. That's Fort Worth, star of a hit podcast, 636 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 2: Mayhem and the Morgue, and he is the esteemed lecturer 637 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. 638 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What did she just say? 639 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 13: So, basically, a knife was shoved into the neck. Knife 640 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 13: shoved into the neck at such an angle that it 641 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 13: struck the base of the skull. And with that that 642 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 13: striking the base of the skull, the force of that 643 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 13: can cause cracking the bone, et cetera, depending on how 644 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 13: hard it is. When you do that, you're hitting all 645 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 13: the vasculature and musculature in this area. It's the crowded 646 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 13: the jugular vein. You're going to get massive hemorrhaging from 647 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 13: that kind of spurting out all over the place. So 648 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 13: stab wounds to the neck usually are very vascular, very hemorrhagic, 649 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 13: and depending on how they're angled, if they come more 650 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 13: to midline, they can also involve your trichea or your 651 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 13: windpipe where the air comes through. And then you're basically 652 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 13: now breathing through that new hole in your windpipe and 653 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 13: the blood is flooding in there, so you're gagging on 654 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 13: your blood as you're bleeding out. It's pretty bad to 655 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 13: be stabbed. 656 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 6: In the neck. 657 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Gigi. 658 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: You stated that the stab wound was so violent it 659 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 2: did it do something to the back of her neck. 660 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 2: This is reminding me of Nicole Brown Simpson who was 661 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 2: sliced so violently across her neck that she. 662 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: Was practically decapitated. 663 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 2: Her head held onto her body through a thin slice 664 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 2: of flesh in the back. 665 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: That's all that held her head onto her body. 666 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: What did you say about the wound to Christine? 667 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 9: It went deep enough that it caused a defect at 668 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 9: the very base of her skull or a little notch 669 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 9: where that knife struck bone, and that was visible during autopsy. 670 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 9: So a lot of force used when he was stabbing 671 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 9: her in the neck, at least with that stab wound 672 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 9: that was one of the ones that was two and 673 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 9: a half inches deep. 674 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's what does that mean that there is 675 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: actually a nick on her on the bone, her neck 676 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 2: bone all the way back here. 677 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 13: So it means that the knife was driven in quite deeply, 678 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 13: probably almost all the way up to the hilt of 679 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 13: the knife, and that striking the base of the bone 680 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 13: and breaking it means there's a lot of force being 681 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 13: put into it as they're stabbing the individual in the neck. 682 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 13: So it's a forceful stab wound, fracturing the base of 683 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 13: the skull and what you were talking about earlier, or 684 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 13: fracturing the cervical bone and what you were talking about earlier. 685 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 13: If you go more centrally, you can decapitate someone easily, 686 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 13: cutting through the bone and soft tissue. The neck isn't 687 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 13: all that structurally hard, so you can take someone's head 688 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 13: off stabbing through their neck. 689 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: This young mom did not want to leave her daughter, 690 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 2: her four year old little girl. 691 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: She wanted to live. 692 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 2: To hay with the sex affair. She wanted to live 693 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: to see her daughter grow up. As a matter of fact, 694 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: with all of these wounds, she was still alive. Did 695 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 2: you hear the n one one call where the nanny 696 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: and the husband saying she's still alive? 697 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Listen? 698 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 11: Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one 699 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 11: to one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom. 700 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 11: We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds, 701 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 11: and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was 702 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 11: transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. 703 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: This is so crazy. So the amir comes back, she 704 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: finds this scene. Where did Hoby come from? 705 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 2: The wife, the mother of a then four year old 706 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: little girl, multiple stab news she suffered. 707 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 5: In case of a lot of twists and turns very 708 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 5: confusing and complicated. 709 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: City Sumner joining US Crimes Forwards investigative reporter. We are 710 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 2: learning through the hot that the two had been target 711 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 2: practicing just before the killings. 712 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: What do we know, Well, we. 713 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 10: Know that Danfield purchased an extra gun on January twenty third, 714 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 10: so just a month before the murders. And yeah, they 715 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 10: actually went to a shooting range to practice shooting so 716 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 10: that when Joseph Ryan was in the house attacking Christine, 717 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 10: they could come in and save the day. 718 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: And what about buying new phones as well? 719 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 10: So they believed for some reason that buying a new 720 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 10: phone just before the murders would prevent investigators from binding 721 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 10: their previous communications. Wasn't the most well thought out plan. 722 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 2: And then also apparently the nanny's mother injects herself into 723 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 2: this scenario and Sidney Sumner police described in some of 724 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 2: the documents the nanny my lease as the husband's quote 725 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 2: live in lover. Does that mean the affair was happening 726 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 2: right under Christine's nose? 727 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 10: Absolutely, it was going on for months without Christine Banfield 728 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 10: having any idea that her husband was sleeping with their nanny. 729 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 2: To Gg McKelvey joining us to our pretty lies and alibis, 730 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 2: I understand that Margalie, the so called hot nanny, has 731 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 2: been whining from behind bars. 732 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: Quote, I'm tired of this wa what She's tired of 733 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: being in jail? Christina is dead. 734 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 9: Yes, she's tired of being in jail. She said she 735 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 9: was sad and depressed and she has trauma. You know, 736 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 9: a lot of poor meat. Uh and as we saw 737 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 9: on the stand, zero remorse. So I wouldn't expect her 738 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 9: describing jail life to be anything but you know all 739 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 9: about her. 740 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 741 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 9: So she she went on some antidepressants, didn't like the 742 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 9: way they make her made her feel, and so she 743 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 9: went off of them. And we heard all of this 744 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 9: when she was on the stand. It was all poor me, 745 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 9: no remorse shown for Joe Ryan or Christine Banfield. 746 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 2: Paul Batista defense attorney and a novelist. 747 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 748 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: This is direct quote from the nanny aka co defendant 749 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 2: and a murder case, a double murder case. 750 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: Quote. I'm unhappy. 751 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 2: Way nothing makes me happy, Mommy, I'm miserable. 752 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: I just want to get out of here and come 753 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: back home and be with you guys. I'm tired of 754 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: this place, eh, Paul, Really perfect time of jail. I 755 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: wonder Christine is tired of that casket she's in. 756 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 7: Of course, she's unhappy she's in jail. She's writing, She's 757 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 7: still writing love letters to Banfield. She doesn't know what 758 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 7: she's doing. She is a perfect candidate for the creation 759 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 7: of a story that will give her the sweetest deal imaginable. 760 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 7: She will not go to jail any longer. She'll leave 761 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 7: the country and she's home free. She's a perfect. 762 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Delatory, I need a shrink. 763 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 2: Everything he is saying right there, anyway is valid. 764 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: The jury may not believe her. 765 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 2: Because she's getting a sweetheart deal to rat him out. 766 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 2: But that said, I think the evidence is going to 767 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 2: be so strong. It's going to support what she's saying, 768 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 2: whether they believe her credibility or not. 769 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Delatory, Delatory. 770 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 2: Why is she whining about being in jail? Christine and 771 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 2: Ryan are dead. He's shot in the chest and the 772 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 2: head remember on the nine on one they said he's 773 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 2: making noises, he's like gurgling, trying to live. 774 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: Why is she whining about jail? 775 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 8: Well, I think we have to remember is that in 776 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 8: their mind they think that once all of this unfolds, 777 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 8: are going to live a happy life with this four 778 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 8: year old. But when reality is set and the realities 779 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 8: of being in custody, being detained, that messes with your head, 780 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 8: that gets under your skin. You don't realize how small 781 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 8: the walls are until you're actually put in them. So 782 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 8: whatever it was that they thought that they were going 783 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 8: to be doing as a couple post this murder, she 784 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 8: didn't realize the reality of you're not going to get 785 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 8: away with this, and so now she's put in a 786 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 8: place where the reality is setting in and she did 787 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 8: not think that all of this was actually going to 788 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 8: be unfolding for someone like her. 789 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: Doctor delatory, do you hear yourself? 790 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 2: Do I need to do a playback, an instant playback, 791 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,919 Speaker 2: because you just said, you know, you don't realize how 792 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 2: small the selle is. I bet that's a lot bigger 793 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 2: than that casket Christine's in. 794 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 8: Absolutely, And it's not like Juliana cares. 795 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 2: She is apparently writing love letters. Is it true? She 796 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 2: says that the irs agent husband, Christine's husband told her 797 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 2: he wanted to marry her and have children. 798 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: That is true. 799 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 9: And not only was she sending messages to Brendan, she 800 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,760 Speaker 9: was also sending messages to Brendan's mother, who was putting 801 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 9: money on her commissary and funding her defense up until 802 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 9: she flipped on Brendan. But yeah, she would say that 803 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,399 Speaker 9: she would take the blame for both of them. She 804 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 9: loved him more than anything. It was a lot of 805 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 9: back and forth with this lovey dovey stuff. 806 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: Until it was all new to me Gg. 807 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 2: So her future mother in law is sending her money 808 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 2: to the commissary as long as she says, I'll take 809 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 2: all the blame and I will clear him. 810 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: But as soon as she flips. 811 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 2: No more Dorito's, no more nacho chips, no more candy bars, 812 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 2: no more special soaps and relations from the commissary, it's over. 813 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 814 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 9: They were funding her and making her life as cushy 815 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 9: as they could while she was in jail because she 816 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 9: wasn't talking, But that all changed when she started talking 817 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 9: to the Commonwealth and made that deal. 818 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds, it's not too late. I 819 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 2: put up many a newly discovered witness on the stand. 820 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case, 821 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 2: please dial seven zero three two four six seven eight 822 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,280 Speaker 2: hundred repeat seven zero three two four six seven eight hundred. 823 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 2: You know who we haven't heard about. The little girl, 824 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 2: The four year old little girl whose mother was stabbed dead. 825 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 2: And now she knows the nanny moved right down the 826 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 2: hall and hopped in the bed with daddy. 827 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: That's the legacy. 828 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,