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Speaker 1: Via Around the NFL Podcast, Still Isn't throwing in practice?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by a new era. My name is Dan Hansas

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined and room filled with some heroes for

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Speaker 1: now anyway, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, what is up? Boys?

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Speaker 1: Hey Dan? Hey? Yeah, we were We thought it was

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Speaker 1: going to be the three of us and Gregg made

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Speaker 1: a round of phone calls about twenty minutes before the

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Speaker 1: show started to say that he would be heading north

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Speaker 1: from Chargers Camp, and after completing a call with Greg

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Speaker 1: where we sort of said I, I said, why don't

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Speaker 1: you just roll him when you can, because we've got

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Speaker 1: a definitive star time, which is rare for this show

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Speaker 1: guests coming up. So I hung up with him. I thought,

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Speaker 1: very productive call. Productive call with Greg, went on about

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Speaker 1: my business, and then two seconds later my phone rang

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Speaker 1: again and Greg was face timing me. I thought this

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Speaker 1: must be extremely important, but Greg had mistakenly face timing

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Speaker 1: Chargers Camp While my face was up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: his was not, So I said, forget it. It's a

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Speaker 1: typical Greg's done this on the phone before, So I

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Speaker 1: just hung up on Greg ten minutes to go by again,

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Speaker 1: and Greg calls me again and then simply hangs up,

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Speaker 1: so that you know, I don't know. He's got a

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Speaker 1: lot to answer to. He also, and we can maybe

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Speaker 1: talk to him about this when he's in here. It

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Speaker 1: feels fair. But he made some bold statements about his

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Speaker 1: driving ability uh in and around Rams Camp where we

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Speaker 1: were obviously on Thursday, And then there was some eyewitness accounts,

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Speaker 1: first person eye witnessed accounts that spoke uh really to

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Speaker 1: the contrary of his statements that he is indeed a

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Speaker 1: good driver. Maybe we'll get to that uh today, but

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to get to. So, yes, it

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Speaker 1: was nice being at Rams Camp on Thursday, that's what

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Speaker 1: you heard on Friday's show. But better to be back

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Speaker 1: in the studio. I'm happy to be here. This is

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Speaker 1: where we belong. Safe, safe space. It's not it's not

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Speaker 1: like hot, it's not strangers everywhere. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: shake people's hands back. Oh, thanks so much for you know,

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Speaker 1: helping us with it. You know, No, I just want

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Speaker 1: to be in here and my little cocoon. This thinking

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Speaker 1: in the studio and uh West we are how many

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Speaker 1: days away from week one? Probably thirty some thirty something

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Speaker 1: days away from week one. A lot of news to

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna get to all that. Also, the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame ceremony inductions were in Canton this weekend, so

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Speaker 1: as we do every year, we will check in on

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Speaker 1: the highs and lows from that particular affair. And that

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Speaker 1: has been a while. Our good friend uh formerly of

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com and now a hot shot over at

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Speaker 1: the Monday morning quarterback slash say dot com, s I

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Speaker 1: dot com realm Connor or are you kidding me? But

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Speaker 1: actually instead of playing a game with Connor, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about a recent feature piece he wrote about Uh

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Speaker 1: Jon Gruden End of the Raiders would toned down or segment? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little toned down. We'll get to that because I

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Speaker 1: think yet to be seen if it's toned down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll find out where he's out emotionally. So so much

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Speaker 1: to get to and Greg at some point, uh loose

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Speaker 1: Cannon once again behind the glass. Hey guys, thanks for

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Speaker 1: all your hard work. You're welcome. You're very welcome. Let's

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm still kissing you in the mouth? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I kiss all monkey is in the mouth. Don't stay

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Speaker 1: with him. I don't know, I know, I know. The

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Speaker 1: UH we saw that uh this weekend. The Eagles on

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Speaker 1: of football Operations, Howie Roseman have signed contract extensions. Uh,

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Speaker 1: more powerful, powerful than ever in that organization. This is

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Speaker 1: a team that the owner can be proud of on

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Speaker 1: salad days refers to when you're young, barely getting by

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Speaker 1: with his injury, and Uh really thrived, especially in the

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Speaker 1: early part of the season, allowing him to stick around

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Speaker 1: well John Gruden obviously didn't see enough of him to

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Speaker 1: say we want you here in a long term capacity,

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Speaker 1: so too was cut loose and signed as Mike Nugent,

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Speaker 1: who I believe has now been on every team in

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Speaker 1: the league twice. I mean, I guess we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: a little Raiders later. But is this Scruden just saying

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Speaker 1: I'd much rather have someone who's thirty six than now?

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Speaker 1: The kicker is supposed to be Eddie Panero, who's in

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Speaker 1: the undrafted rookies? Who who they? And Mike Nugent is

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Speaker 1: they're competing in the building. It sounds like it's Pinero's job.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Dan, I do want to mention

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Speaker 1: when I was at Chargers camp, I scooted over to

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Speaker 1: the second field where the special special team out there

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Speaker 1: hanging out, and uh, I saw your buddies over there.

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Speaker 1: They were just Roberto Aguaio. Of course. I mean this

447
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Speaker 1: has been kind of under the radar. I would think

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Speaker 1: Aguayo's back and I'm big time compact against Caleb Sturgis.

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Speaker 1: Uh he's the underdog Aguayo. But you know the reports

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Speaker 1: are they're both kicking pretty well. Yeah, I should dig

451
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Speaker 1: in on this they were just kind of sitting around

452
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Speaker 1: though there wasn't much to see. I always went on up.

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Speaker 1: Did they feel guilty about that? They were just kind

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Speaker 1: of like hanging aroun down. What is the bio's hair situation? Right?

455
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Speaker 1: Because he's going bangs at times, he's done a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a he's v thing in the middle, had

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Speaker 1: a helmet on, just trying to figure things out. How

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Speaker 1: do you feel about Greg being on your corner? I

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Speaker 1: actually appreciate it because he was their boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping you're gonna I didn't really have actual

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Speaker 1: but then I did ask someone and they were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're both kicking. Well too close the call. I think

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Speaker 1: Dan doesn't matter to the game. Start. You need to

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Speaker 1: get back down in the lamb. Dan and did a

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Speaker 1: little Eddie Panero film study. I think you're right. Had

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Speaker 1: you heard of Eddie Pineiro before? Of course, I know

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Speaker 1: every kicker that comes into the league. It's just I

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Speaker 1: hold back from talking about all of them because I

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Speaker 1: know not everyone shares the past I do about that position.

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, by the way, another special team's news involving

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Speaker 1: the Raiders Marquette King, who Gruden said, get the hell

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Speaker 1: out of here. Bro he goes and he's he's fighting

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Speaker 1: with some like radio station guy. Uh over Brandon Stokely.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Stokle is a part of a radio team that

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Speaker 1: interviewed Marquette King and and now there's like a war

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Speaker 1: of words. That guy seems annoying a little bit, not

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Speaker 1: snow King. Maybe Stokely's annoying, I don't know. Uh. Moving

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Speaker 1: on some sad news, former Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: general manager Tom Heckert passed away at the age of

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Speaker 1: fifty one, the Broncos announced Monday. Most recently, he was

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Speaker 1: a personnel executive with the Broncos. From seen, he had

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Speaker 1: stepped away from the team following last season. He was ill. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We had not heard a lot about how sick heckerd was,

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Speaker 1: but obviously it was a very serious situation. And he

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Speaker 1: is gone at the age of fifty one. You know,

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Speaker 1: we just talked about all of Cleveland's intense draft misses.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at Tom Heckert when he was

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Speaker 1: there under Mike Holmgren, and that's largely seen as an

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Speaker 1: unsuccessful stint because of the Brandon Weed and Trent Richardson scenario.

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Speaker 1: But these are the names that he brought in, Joe Hayden,

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Speaker 1: t j Ward, Jabal Shared, Jordan Cameron, Buster Screen, Mitchell Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: and Travis Benjamin. Each one of those players, outside of

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Speaker 1: Jordan Cameron remained largely and t j Ward to some degree,

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Speaker 1: largely productive and have had productive careers. I mean, imagine

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Speaker 1: had he stuck around, he went on to Denver and

496
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Speaker 1: was sort of hidden away in Denver. But this is

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Speaker 1: sad news. A lot of people he hired in Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: we're still there and we're part of that Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: you know last year. I mean, he was back there

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Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: like Cowie Roseman worked underneath him. The disease he had

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Speaker 1: is mean Amelloyd doses, which is what Matt Millen has.

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Speaker 1: So best wishes to Matt Millan. This seems like it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be quite the battle. Uh. In other news, the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals are down a starting center uh a Q

506
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Speaker 1: Shipley has been diagnosed with the torn right a c L.

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Speaker 1: He has done for the season. It now falls on

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Speaker 1: third rounder Mason Cole, who will be a starter most likely.

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Speaker 1: Shipley now heads into free agency at age thirty two

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Speaker 1: off of torn a c also a bad situation for him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To me, what sticks up about this is Steve Wilkes

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Speaker 1: has really emphasized all offseason everything starts up front. That's

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Speaker 1: his new mantra. And one of the most bizarre opinions

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Speaker 1: I've heard from a head coach this this year is

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Speaker 1: Steve wilkes opinion that the strength of the Cardinals is

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. This was an offensive line that was

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest weaknesses in the league last year.

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Speaker 1: They added Justin Peugh, they added Andre Smith, who was

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Speaker 1: in and out at Cincinnati over the years, and they

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Speaker 1: didn't do much else adding there. Uh So I think

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Speaker 1: to me, like, Okay, the potential may have been the

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Speaker 1: strength of the team, but that's neglecting to point out

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Speaker 1: that the almost every position on on this offensive line

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Speaker 1: comes with a huge question mark. The Falcons have agreed

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Speaker 1: to a three year extension worth UH close to twenty

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Speaker 1: million with defensive back Ricardo Allen. The free safety had

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Speaker 1: been in talks with the team uh for some time,

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Speaker 1: and they get a deal done. So add another piece again,

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Speaker 1: Mark good franchises have stability. He's a solid player, have

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Speaker 1: been really act they extended matt Ryan, Jake Matthews, paid,

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Speaker 1: Julio Jones. I guess Brady Jarrett maybe the last name

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Speaker 1: on the list here one of the Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: he should be next, and he's maybe the best player

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Speaker 1: of all those guys. Ricardo Allen was one of the

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Speaker 1: only memorable parts of a pretty quiet Hard Knocks season.

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Speaker 1: He came out of nowhere Hard Knocks season. At the time,

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Speaker 1: he was just trying to make the team. So this

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Speaker 1: this does show you like you can remake your career

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Speaker 1: if you land in the right place. I didn't watch

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Speaker 1: that Hard Knocks, but one of my few ever takeaways

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Speaker 1: from Super Bowl media night was during the Falcons Patriots

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and that week leading up to it, Ricardo

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Speaker 1: Allen I looked at as kind of a fringe player

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Speaker 1: who was lucky to be a starter, And you could

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Speaker 1: tell just after that media night he was one of

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Speaker 1: the leaders of that defense. And now another edition of

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Speaker 1: Keeping Yes It is Maurice bow Ringer, former draft pick

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Speaker 1: in the Minnesota Vikings, Germany product trying to make his

549
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: way in the NFL didn't work out with the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: Uh so he caught on with who Mark Well with

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati BEng and what is new with Mobo? What's

552
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: new is he largely I would I wouldn't say flamed out,

553
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Speaker 1: just did not materialize as a wide receiver. And they

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Speaker 1: have he added on some towns. And our boy Henry

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Speaker 1: Hodgson Hansen or Hank, who was very apparently very invested

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Speaker 1: in close friends with Moe Berenger noted that he added on,

557
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: tacked on some weight, has now become a tight end

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Speaker 1: for the Bengals everyone and that was another additiontive keeping up.

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Speaker 1: I think that's my favorite sound drop sneaky, one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite moments of the show. I just enjoy that

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Speaker 1: to the podcast with Eric Jensen. Check it out. I

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Speaker 1: retweeted it last week. What's your favorite bit on the show?

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00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Know those mobile updates? Really I had more too, but

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Speaker 1: we can we can leave it right there. Henry short

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00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: and sweet handsome Hanks in Brazil right now. Uh and uh.

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Speaker 1: Finally in the news, Johnny Manzel made his CFL CFL

567
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Speaker 1: debut on Friday night. It could not have gone worse.

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00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: It went Nate Peterman bad, four interceptions and one half. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Montreal outlet's embarrassed by the team that uh Manzel

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Speaker 1: was on before his trade that got him in the

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Speaker 1: starting lineup, he got benched. I don't know what when

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Speaker 1: he gets in the lineup. I think this is the

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Speaker 1: moment West where we could probably detach from Johnny until

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Speaker 1: there's any reason. In fact, you could have made the argument,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure about judging by your body language, West, we

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Speaker 1: could have done it today. But it should be noted

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Speaker 1: that Manzel imploded and that's where we're gonna leave him

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Speaker 1: for now. Well, in my notes for the show was

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Speaker 1: one thing on Johnny Manziel, just when are we gonna

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Speaker 1: have a moratorium on Johnny Manzela more like boorratorium. He

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Speaker 1: is a front office killer because they gave up two

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Speaker 1: first round picks and players for him to get a

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Speaker 1: guy that a week later or two weeks later, throwing

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Speaker 1: four picks in one game. I'm just happy for I

585
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: wanted to imagine the guy they benched from Vernon Adams.

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Speaker 1: So he's he was, he was must have been loving

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Speaker 1: it on the sideline, he literally said after he said,

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Speaker 1: he said, I don't want any Montreal fans basically to

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00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: ever talk to him again. He will never forgive them

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Speaker 1: for like booing him and saying they want Johnny and

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00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: he must have just been enjoying this, and I figured,

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Speaker 1: like the Montreal general manager not probably not maybe not

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Speaker 1: long for the league? Where do you go after the CFL?

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00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: That doesn't go like Iceland? I mean, Eric was recently

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Speaker 1: attached to a football league and saw a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: What about that league? I think it's for women only?

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00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: But the general are the general managers all women? I

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Speaker 1: don't think. Do you know the internal schematics? Unfortunately don't

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Speaker 1: have all the info on that. Um but but but

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Speaker 1: shout out to the Boston Breakers won the title. It's

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Speaker 1: the old Thanksgiving Day game with your boys. That's his

602
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Speaker 1: next league? Well Montreal l LXGM getting a drive by

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Speaker 1: here to close out the news. That's what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the news. Hey Dan, did you get your passport? No? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd better get on that. You better get on that,

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00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: well ordered, it just hasn't. You can't travel without You

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00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: can't travel to London without a pass what better get

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00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: your passport? You're not going to London without a past

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00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: past sport? Are you dumb? You don't have it yet,

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00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: hasn't arrived yet. You don't just screw yourself. You screw

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Speaker 1: all of us. If you don't get a passport. By

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00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: the way, exactly where's yours? West, Oh, I've had mine,

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Speaker 1: Greg would have lost money thinking on the paperwork, chump here.

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Speaker 1: I have faith you. You put it all in there.

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Speaker 1: You know what I put out there, the government. Put

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00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: your faith in the US government right now feels solid

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00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: to make Band's distaste for other countries coming back to

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Speaker 1: haunt him in getting popped here right now. And I'm

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Speaker 1: a little bit nervous. Thank you, of course to the

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Speaker 1: great iconic Sydney Carlson. All right, let's get into a

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Speaker 1: little Hall of fame talk was like three Sydney Carlson's

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Speaker 1: she there are no limits to her abilities. Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: move on and talking about the Hall of Fame two

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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen inductions, Uh Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, uh, Brian

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Speaker 1: or Locker, Terrell Owens, Jerry Kramer, Robert Brazil, Brian Dawkins,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Bethard, nice class um and a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff cooking with it. Mark, I know you

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00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: were super plugged in what was like kind of your

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Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway for you. Greg watched this closely too.

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Speaker 1: I watched it yesterday on repeat, so I could fast

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Speaker 1: forward through all the Well, no, I mean, because I

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Speaker 1: can't tolerate. I don't need it to be a five

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Speaker 1: hour long show. Get to the meat of it. But

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Speaker 1: I was kind of peaked by something that ray Lewis

635
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Speaker 1: brought up. I believe we have the sound for that.

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Speaker 1: If we could play that, it was all. It was

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Speaker 1: a wonderful ceremony. But this, this was an odd moment

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Speaker 1: that got on my radar. Let's play oh did we

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Speaker 1: hold did we hold that? Lombard? And they tried to

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Speaker 1: turn the lights out on us? No, no, now, let's

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. Let's be honest. If you grew up

642
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: what me and my mama grew up in the project,

643
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: you'll like Mike get turns off favorite frid But Beyonce

644
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: had just before, so something had to happen. They just

645
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: go out, They go out. But that's the way you're

646
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: in the Korean Okay. So the child hood comments are fine,

647
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: and I respect a lot where he's come from, but

648
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's sandwiched by two comments about the

649
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: lights going out during the Super Bowl against the Niners,

650
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: where ray Lewis is clinging to this theory. Uh, and

651
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: this is what the ottust moment of the night and

652
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: an otherwise very nice night in Canton, clinging to a

653
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: theory that the NFL intentionally, because the Ravens were blowing

654
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: the Niners out, turned the lights out in the super

655
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: Dome in New Orleans to blow up the whole mood

656
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: in that stadium and regalvanized the game to get the

657
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Niners back in and make it close. Now, I think

658
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: that's called an intense scarecrow. I mean he ray Lewis

659
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: entire speech was madness. Yeah, that was like the that

660
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: was like the tenth least like most crazy thing he

661
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: said over the weekend. No doubt martyrs, he said when

662
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: I when I played Crime, what was lower in Baltimore?

663
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: It's like no one needed to be mad. Everyone just

664
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: wanted to be happy and celebrate. Dan found something too,

665
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: didn't you. A little humble brag from ray Lewis. Oh,

666
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: one of my favorite humble breggs that has ever happened.

667
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: And this is this is strange. ESPN had a scroll.

668
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: Was this new? Yes? I only watched it on NFL Network,

669
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: so that was new then. Yeah, So ESPN has a

670
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: scroll that allows the players, uh, the inductees to just

671
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: to thank you. It's a way to get in names

672
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: that maybe you otherwise aren't able to get to in

673
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the speech, and near the end of Ray Lewis's scroll

674
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: underneath his speech, thank you to the President President of

675
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Tanzania for allowing me to bring water wells to your people.

676
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: That is the that is the first ballot of le

677
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: and Mark and Greg's right. Mark's uh quote that he

678
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: pulled probably wasn't even like close here here, come on, though,

679
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: you tell me that's not an insane thing. That's an

680
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: insane thing to say that the whole thing was crazy persons.

681
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: He also talked about that he would run fifteen to

682
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: twenty miles to practice every day high school football and wrestling.

683
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: But his he had a tape of Phil Collins is

684
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: in the air tonight and he would just rewind it

685
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and listen to that song over and over. And then

686
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: he concludes that story by going, I felt this coming

687
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: in the air for a long time. What about I

688
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: was like, what what about the numerology at the top

689
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: of the top of the speech or he's saying how

690
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: everything five and two and seven and it all connected

691
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: to God? Just as like an exercise mark. I thought,

692
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: what if we took that quote we pulled and just

693
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: added something underneath it, because there was this man of

694
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: crazed almost dangerous energy to raise speech. Let me just

695
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: try this. Did we hold did we hold that a

696
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: little more? And they tried to turn the lights out

697
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: on us? Now, let's let's be onest. Let's be honest.

698
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: If you grew up, what made my mama grew up

699
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: in the protest? You'll like my d turns off favorite fry.

700
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: So something has happened. I have the utmost respect for

701
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: him as a player, and I hope no one ever

702
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: sticks a microphone in front of his face. Again. Yeah,

703
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: he was. He was sweating through. That was impressive too.

704
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm a sweater as well. Like he had not only

705
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: swept through the dress shirt, he swept through the entire jacket,

706
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: which I don't I've never seen that happen. No, that's

707
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: tough to do. But anyway, so thirty three minute long speech,

708
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: Am I am? I worried about that. That's a lot

709
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: there needs to be for the sake of modern television

710
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: in the viewership and where our habits are going. No speech,

711
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: that's thirty three minute that's what my my big takeaway.

712
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: Best speech of the night easy was Robert Brazil, who's

713
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: not going to get a lot of like publicity for

714
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: on it, but like a writer, he sort of had

715
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: a narrative device that carried him through the sphere. It

716
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: was eight or nine minutes long, It had plenty of energy,

717
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: it had a couple of good jokes, and he was

718
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: happy to be there. It was delightful. So just congratulations

719
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: for the best speech. I think they suggest fifteen minutes

720
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: and Ray Ray used to your people just blow Lewis.

721
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I think Louis said before the speech that um, he

722
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: was going way past that, so he let people know.

723
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of yelling and huffing and puffing. Also,

724
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you're taking away from the other speakers when you're dn

725
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: or not that not that everyone felt this way, but

726
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: when you're taking up that much speaking time, it's just

727
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, can you can you stop yourself

728
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: at the door just a little bit please, Which is

729
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: taking nothing away from a brilliant career that he's had,

730
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: but it was the football place. He was on brand

731
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: at this speech. Uh Randy Moss of course got inducted

732
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick and this made news. Bill Belichick, uh,

733
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: and Robert Kraft showed up, and I guess it was

734
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: a surprise. I think we have sound related to that

735
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: as well. Last, but not least, I'm not gonna forget

736
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: about you, Bill Belichick. I'm not don't forget about you.

737
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being a friend when

738
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't always about football. You've showed me how much

739
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I love the game. You challenged me every day to

740
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: go out here and be great. You challenged me to

741
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: be great coach. And I'm sorry we did not bring

742
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: it home. I picked this one, and Greg, we didn't

743
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: know you're gonna be here, so we would have had

744
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: you picked some sound by two. So let me ask

745
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: you your thoughts on this, because if you were, do

746
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: you remember watching this point on television Bill Belichick's eyes.

747
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: I think Bill Belichick is the ultimate football historian, and

748
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: he's in Canton, and I honestly felt for him a

749
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: little bit because you have this these knuckleheads in the

750
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: crowd booing Bill be Eli chick that this is one

751
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: place where he I'm just I'm gonna jump in rights

752
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: notorious and famous that I get that, but I honestly

753
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of hurt in his eyes, like

754
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: like I thought that rapport was broken with him. I

755
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I totally disagree with you, Dan that he I do

756
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: think he felt something here and I think that was

757
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: just it's something about it. I get that you're Eagles

758
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: fans or what you're you're some jabronies out there that

759
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: route for another team. Something about it did not fly

760
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: with me. Well, that's an interesting take, and I should

761
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: watch it again. But the thing, if it was breaking anything,

762
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: it was uh an intense sort of from within happiness

763
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: that you normally don't see from Bill Belichick. I was.

764
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: I was surprised that Bill Beltick was the last person

765
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: that Randy Moss mentioned. And you could tell how much

766
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and Bill Belichick love and respect each other.

767
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: The fact that he showed up there after a Patriots

768
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: practice for a guy that was only there for a

769
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: few years, and the fact that Ran Moss brought up last,

770
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: and when he was saying those words to Belchick, you

771
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: could just tell the smile on his face, like how

772
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: much that meant to hear from from another person he considers,

773
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of the greatest of all and our

774
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: guy ben Levinberg took an amazing photo of Craft and

775
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: Belichick and Moss together, And do you remember that moment

776
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: in the Belichick NFL never especially where mosses in his

777
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: office saying kind of goating him on to come to

778
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: that Halloween party. That was kind of the relationship they had.

779
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: So it's it's interesting to think back on that. I

780
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: think Belichick changed not just the Patriots run that they had,

781
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: but Belichick changed the way people thought about Randy Moss

782
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: because within a few months of him getting there, he said,

783
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: this might be the smartest football player I've ever coached.

784
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: And a lot of people are pretty down on Randy

785
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: Moss in general. And to hear that respect and even

786
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: when they traded Randy Moss, they were so like, so

787
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: much respect coming both ways. I think it helped change, uh,

788
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: some of the appreciation for Moss that everyone has now

789
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: that they just didn't have during his play. Still remember

790
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: exactly where I was on the Upper West Side of

791
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Manhattan when I found out the Patriots traded for Moss

792
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: and death. It was so obvious what was going to

793
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: happen next, that even though he had fallen off a

794
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: little bit in Oakland, that with Brady and Belichick. That's

795
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: something crazy was gonna go down. And uh, to say

796
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: the least that happened, he had arguably you could maybe

797
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: throw in Jerry Rice and what was or whatever, but

798
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: the greatest season ever by a wide receiver, and that

799
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: is I thought that was a little bit appointment, a

800
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: poignant I'm sorry we couldn't bring it home, of course,

801
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: a reference to Super Bowl and eighteen and one, and

802
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: he would have had the game winning touchdown catch had not, uh,

803
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: if not for the late heroics by Eli and Plexico.

804
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: So Belitic didn't just change the way people thought of Moss,

805
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: he changed the way writers covered him. Writers gave him

806
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: more respect after that. Terrell Owens did his ceremony in Chattanooga.

807
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: We we already know what's behind it, but he did

808
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: confirm it was a His reaction to not be in

809
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Canton was because the writers, he felt punished him for

810
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: not being uh well liked individual or being someone that

811
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: was uh not seen as playing the game the right

812
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: way and all that stuff, rather than basing it on

813
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: what the Hall of Fame is supposed to base your

814
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: eligibility on, which is just what you do on the field,

815
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: and and and so that's why he did that West

816
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: he wrote about that. I don't know if you had

817
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: anything to add, well, it was sort of it was

818
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: a speech that had its high points in low points.

819
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: To me, like he made some really good points. And

820
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: I do believe he wasn't a first ballot Hall of

821
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: Famer because voters didn't do their job. Voters took into

822
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: account things other than what happened on the field. They

823
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: were wrong. He called him on that. On the other hand,

824
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: this is an intention starved narcissist who was unwilling to

825
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: address the self afflicted nature of his own wounds. And

826
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was Charles Robinson from YAH

827
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: who said he's a first ballot blamer, and he absolutely

828
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: is a first ballot blamer. There were a lot of

829
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: great moments in the speech, though, and I think the

830
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: sound bites that ended up going on Sports Center or

831
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: NFL Network that night we're about the writers and how

832
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: they didn't let him in. But he had a lot

833
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: of great moments where he gave credit to a lot

834
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: of people. You could and everyone that's played with him

835
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: has said no one questioned his work ethic like that.

836
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: He loved I don't think anyone. He loved the game

837
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: of football, and if he did end this speech, I

838
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: thought was interesting kind of saying what he thought the

839
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: speech was for or for people that were outcasts and

840
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: that had been picked on and bullied and and that

841
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: just didn't kind of get along with the rest of society.

842
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: And that's how he sees himself, and certainly his childhood

843
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: if you, if you know about it, had some some

844
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: rough times. And I do think the way he ended

845
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: it was poignant and it meant a lot to him,

846
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it meant But he also

847
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: can't you can't blame the media or anybody else for

848
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: focusing in on those soundbites about because that's what he

849
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: made his entire Hall of Fame and the induction about

850
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: being snubbed and about his issues with the voters, so

851
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: that he made it that it took. That's though. The

852
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't like was people saying he's missing

853
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: out on all this they know better, Like you know,

854
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: even Steven are utually in our air was kind of

855
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: almost saying like I feel sorry for him because he's

856
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: missing out on that, and like that's not really being

857
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: a friend, Like if you really are a friend, of

858
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: t o someone that has a relationship, just support and

859
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: support him in what he wanted to do. That's what

860
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: you want to do. It was certainly wasn't easy to

861
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: do that and just let him be one little nugget

862
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: about him. Hours after this speech, he's trying out for

863
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: the CFL Saskatchewan rough Riders. How many NFL Hall of

864
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: Famers have wound up plane in the CFL after being

865
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: announced in Canton. It sounds like a bit of a stunt,

866
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: but apparently as a four or four forti speeds still.

867
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy that either, but that's

868
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: just what's being floated. I just asked that we stopped

869
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: with the martyr stuff, like he's not a martyr, and

870
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: and it really bothers me that he's attempting to rewrite

871
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: who he was as a player. You were the one

872
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: who hopped on the exercise bike with the sunglasses and

873
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: and the Lance Armstrong uniform and asked for the attention.

874
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: You were the one who sat in the driveway and

875
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: did sit ups and knew you were making a circus.

876
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: You're the one who threw Donovan Mab under the bus

877
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: and a bad teammate, So don't tell me all this

878
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: stuff didn't happen to you, and you brought that on

879
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: that very unsavory, unfair things about Jeff garcon uh, you know,

880
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: like overblow the coverage he he started off. That was

881
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: a mutually beneficial relationship. I remember until it was NFL

882
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: network every every day during that whole out, that's the

883
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: greatest hold out of all time the Eagle, because there

884
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: was like daily updates where something crazy would happen. Wouldn't

885
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: they cover the same way today? Oh yeah, it would

886
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: be even more sure and it's entertaining, but it doesn't

887
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: make you a good teammate anything else. From the Hall

888
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: of Fame Mark Mark Jerry Kramer, I thought Kramer was well,

889
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: you know what. First of all, when I saw Kramer

890
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: up there, I thought, I thought Kramer was in the

891
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, like twenty five years ago. That was

892
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: my first thought. It's like I've been hearing about Jerry

893
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Kramer since I was ten years old. So, but his

894
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: speech was unbelievable, and I thought it was a good

895
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: bit of for all the players today complaining about salaries.

896
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: He talked about signing on with the Packers. First of all,

897
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: when he got drafted, he had no idea where Green

898
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Bay was and had to look at a map with

899
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: his relatives, where is Cream Bay? And then they he

900
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: had some someone in his camp say, what is it

901
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to ask for? Is a salary? The guy said, yes, right,

902
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: thousand dollars And he went to the packers and they said,

903
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: all right, one year contract. What do you want? He

904
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: said eight thousand. He said absolutely. It's like he knew

905
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: right then he had been taken for a ride. And

906
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: then he asked and they said, you got a signing

907
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: bonus too, and he said two fifty bucks. They said fine,

908
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a bonus, It just came out of

909
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: his first page check. So I thought it was a

910
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: look back at a completely different time. And that part

911
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: of the show where they talked about Vince Lombardi, I thought,

912
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: that's what. It brought a whole pause to the entire proceedings.

913
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: And you can say it's a little precious, but it

914
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: was a nice moment for the packers. In a lot

915
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: of a lot of listeners tweet asking for book recommendations,

916
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Kramer wrote the first real football behind the Scenes

917
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: book with a player. He and Dick Shapp wrote instant

918
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: replay in one of the best football books ever and

919
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: holds up really well. Now. Check out also one more

920
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: July from Bill Curry and George Plinton, also about the

921
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: same era of the Packers in Vince Lombardi. Both great

922
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: football books. And getting drafted and then having to look

923
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: up where you're gonna play on a map is one

924
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: of my favorite Like heroes, journey tropes just love that, alright.

925
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: It's like Steve Francis. Believe no, I'm not saying he

926
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: made it up, but it does pop up every once

927
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: in a while. It's just a fun little trope. Hey,

928
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Speaker 1: state restriction restrictions apply, all right before we go. Yes,

948
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: we teased it at the top of the show. It's

949
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: been a while since we heard from one of our

950
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: great friends, one of the great satellites of the Around

951
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. I don't know if he's at his

952
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: haunted mansion in New Jersey right now, but let's hope

953
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: that he is. Connor or what's up about it? Yo? Yeah, Hey,

954
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: Nanny God, I miss your voice. If you guys, what

955
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: is going on? Connor? What's do you know? The Living

956
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: Light Heart? You know, is it still haunted? Like you

957
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: got um the mortgage and everything. Everything is the same

958
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: right now? I know you have a different job. So

959
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if anything else has changed in your

960
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: life since we last spoke. I would say the only

961
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: major change is that at the at the peak of

962
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: summer heat, my air conditioners exploded. So that's really that's

963
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: really about it. And then you also you also have

964
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: a daughter, you had a child. Yeah, oh yeah, that's

965
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: and there ain't no there ain't no landlord to call

966
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: about that a cu and it is there is there, Connor. No,

967
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: you just kinda you know, you go out there with

968
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: like a wrench and you pretend that you know you're

969
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: doing and then you come back in ten minutes later

970
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, ah, you know, couldn't couldn't fix it,

971
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: but you don't even touch it because you don't know checks.

972
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: So how's the lake house? That's it? Yeah, that's it? Good?

973
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: Um so Connor, Um, I wasn't aware you had a

974
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: lake house. But he lives in a it's essentially a

975
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: lake house. So there's a lake in town right close by,

976
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: it's in my backyard. Yeah, but it's haunted. Let's stick

977
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: to the haunt. We let's stick to the idea there

978
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: was a body of water. And now that I know that,

979
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: you definitely have like the The Lady in eighteen hundreds,

980
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: like White Gown apparition above the Lake at midnight. Everything.

981
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: It's definitely going on anyway, all right, So Connor, usually

982
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: when you come on, we you know, we get wacky,

983
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: we get a reverend, we do maybe or you're kidding

984
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: me segment uh or you know whatever. But you're doing

985
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: really good work over at s I. Uh. Peter King said,

986
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, bro piece, but you're still there

987
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: and um and and you have continued to grind. It's

988
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: grind thirty for you at s I. You wrote a

989
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: really good piece about a week ago about the Oakland

990
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Raiders and specifically John Gruden, UM about how things It's

991
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: one of the great polarizing debates, both in this room

992
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: and in the NFL. The subplot is how will John

993
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Gruden take in the NFL? Anden and you spoke Connor

994
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: with a lot of players from his Tampa Bay days

995
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: and it wasn't all sunshine and roses. Well, I thought

996
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: like it was. It was one of my favorite conversations

997
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: because I was talking to Chris Simms and he's like, yeah,

998
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, I love issues. Is that guy? Because eight

999
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: months after I almost died on the field. He tried

1000
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: to cut me, and then like three three minutes later

1001
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: he's like, but he's an all right guy, you know,

1002
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like everything okay, But so it kind of

1003
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: represents this like really strange like Stockholm syndrome that all

1004
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: of his players had under under him. Yeah, I think

1005
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: it it hit on a great point. It is a

1006
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: great piece to Bucks piece because the talking about you know,

1007
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: talking to the former Bucks players and kind of like,

1008
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: how is that gonna fly? Is he going to adjust

1009
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: that approach, because I think it burned him in Tampa people,

1010
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: the players I think eventually stopped kind of believing what

1011
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: he was selling because they could be, as he wrote about,

1012
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: really well so nice to their face and then cut

1013
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: him or kill him in front of the media, and

1014
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: it was just seemed to like be a lack of trust.

1015
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: And now maybe you're seeing that a little bit in

1016
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: Oakland too. For sure. Yeah, I mean we've already you

1017
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: know the right away, um, you know, to get rid

1018
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: of Marquette King, to quote at an example, and then

1019
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: to see that Khleil mc the defense wasn't even good

1020
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: when they had him, and then uh, you know, like

1021
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: he's been calling out like a steady stream of players.

1022
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: But what's weird about his approaches. He loves veteran guys

1023
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: because they're easier a coach and you can get hit

1024
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: the ground running faster. But he also loves talking crap

1025
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: about players players, and that's the one thing that veterans hate,

1026
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: Like they want to come in, take care of their business,

1027
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: and leave the facility and go home and not have

1028
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: their coach like you you wrote, and like a bullet

1029
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: of what it like kind of like his greatest hits

1030
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: and tools, he uses the media as a tool to

1031
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: pressure and motivate, and that's exactly what to do with

1032
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: Martavis Bryant in the news right now. He's a guy

1033
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: that's getting tweaked big time. Uh. And I think that

1034
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: something that I like that you wrote and what makes

1035
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: him kind of interesting and maybe hard to pin down.

1036
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: You wrote he's neither cold and distant enough to be

1037
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: Bell Checky, and nor warm and engaging enough to be

1038
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. So he's kind of a man without a

1039
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: country or what he was by the end of his

1040
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay tenure. It's about what I guess, whether he

1041
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: learned or not during that time of way the right

1042
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: temperature with the team. Yeah, And I just don't think,

1043
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: at least now, like it doesn't strike me that it's

1044
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: very different, right, Like it's like, yeah, we're gonna we're

1045
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 1: gonna go to Hooters and eat wings and like say

1046
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: terrible things about everybody and run the fullback offense. And

1047
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: like it's almost like like Trumpy in the way that

1048
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: he's like, We're going to do all this stuff we

1049
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: did twenty years ago, and and everyone's like cool. But

1050
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's thinking practically, like like, not a

1051
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: lot of this is gonna work out. I mean, one thing,

1052
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: make the Raiders great again. Like Connor when he when

1053
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: he came to the to Tampa Bay obviously inherited a

1054
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: very good team, one that was on the cusp of,

1055
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, going to the Super Bowl with a lot

1056
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: of pieces in place, and he was able to carry

1057
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: that the distance. And then to Greg's point, I think

1058
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay sort of fell apart from there, and

1059
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: the thing that we thought that Gruden was so great at,

1060
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: which was developing quarterbacks, really never happened after the Super Bowl,

1061
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: And it was almost that his stint with Money Night

1062
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: Football in the media almost rehabbed the image of John

1063
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Speaker 1: Gruden and made him this alluring, you know, distant prospect

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Speaker 1: that you'd want to bring in as a coach. But

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Speaker 1: did you talk to any players that said, yes, he

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Speaker 1: has all these character traits that are impossible to deal with,

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Speaker 1: but almost like with a Belichick, he's really he's not

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Speaker 1: the most fun guy, but there's this football acumen and

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Speaker 1: this thing that the team can lean on that will

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Speaker 1: save us every time. Do you get a sense that

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Speaker 1: people feel like Gruden the football coach beyond the person

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Speaker 1: is something that's such that is worth a ten year

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Speaker 1: contract at this incredible amount of money. Well, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: at first, like all the players that I talked to

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Speaker 1: or the players that I talked to, all thought that

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Speaker 1: the media thing was a rehab tour. They said, like,

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Speaker 1: he was not well liked by fellow coaches, by players,

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Speaker 1: and this is a great way for him to sort

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Speaker 1: of reshape his image, which you can do on TV. Mean,

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Speaker 1: we've all seen that and it's entirely possible. The one

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Speaker 1: thing that I will say that that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have said about him, though, is that schematically he

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Speaker 1: is that smart. He is able to do things, you know,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia told me they would implement something and then

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Speaker 1: three weeks later see another team running it. It made

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Speaker 1: their lives better, It made their lives easier. The only

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Speaker 1: problem was when it came to the game. He would

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Speaker 1: always sort of regress a little bit and play more

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Speaker 1: small ball because he had a great defense. And Oakland

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Speaker 1: is going to be very different now because this is

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Speaker 1: a team that needs to score forty points a game

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Speaker 1: to win. Hey, Connor, after researching and writing this and

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Speaker 1: then hearing sort of his comments throughout the offseason and

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Speaker 1: the moves they've made to bring in some guys and

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Speaker 1: get rid of others, do you have a dramatically changed

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Speaker 1: opinion on what you expect from the Raiders this year

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Speaker 1: after doing this well a little bit, and it's not good.

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Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it seems like he came in

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Speaker 1: immediately and the the his his kind of m oh

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Speaker 1: was always he was gonna cut, you know, the guys

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Speaker 1: that he didn't want to deal with. He was going

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Speaker 1: to bring in older veteran players, um that could pick

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Speaker 1: up the system. And you know that's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jordy Nelson's in his thirties, you know, he

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Speaker 1: got rid of Michael Crabtree, and uh, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: playing with the full back again, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that maybe conceivably this could work at some point.

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Speaker 1: I think the only thing to his favor is that

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Speaker 1: he has shortened his play calls um which a couple

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Speaker 1: of players have told me used to be gargante in

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Speaker 1: like thirty word play calls now very short, very concise.

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Speaker 1: So maybe he's adapting a little bit to the times.

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Speaker 1: But still this is a young man's game, and he's

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Speaker 1: really kind of loading up on older veteran guys like

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Speaker 1: that was his whole stick on ESPN, going through the

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Speaker 1: play calls and all the all the nonsense. And now

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Speaker 1: he gets he hits the scene and decides to truncate that.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think Reggie mackenzie, the general managers and

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Speaker 1: all this, because it feels like he had a powerful

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Speaker 1: voice in that organization and Bruden comes in and sort

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Speaker 1: of trumps everything that was built there and just is

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Speaker 1: making these decisions to reshape in his image. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'd be pretty you know, I mean, every every relationship

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Speaker 1: right when you first get there, Like, you know, it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of and Rex Ryan got to her. You know,

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Speaker 1: when John got to the Jets and everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: these guys looking along fine him and Rex Ryan and

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Speaker 1: like nothing bad is could possibly happened. But it's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, John and Reggie are very different people. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they see um their team in a very different way.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how this fills out. I don't think you know,

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Speaker 1: no one's rooting for this to work more than than us.

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Speaker 1: I think that having Gruden be successful in this league

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Speaker 1: would be good, but I think that it's, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: healthy to be a little skeptical of how this is

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Speaker 1: going to happen. Uh. Finally, Connor, Um, are you happy?

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy? Like one to ten? Where are you at?

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Speaker 1: What's that? One to ten? Like ten? You couldn't be happier? One? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: poop in your pants? I would say, if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for the air conditioning, I'd be in the left through

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Speaker 1: the roof. But I'm probably liking in eight right now.

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Speaker 1: It's good. I I don't feel I do. I texted

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Speaker 1: you I think a couple of weeks ago for an

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Speaker 1: or you kidding me? Uh? And I would like to

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Speaker 1: remain in that capacity, but there's a lot less pressure

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Speaker 1: when you know, I I don't have to come on

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Speaker 1: and scream about something. You know, in general, just feels

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Speaker 1: like a really like Connor War at peace. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because we're not making you do it or you

1151
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: kidding me, but I feel like you're in a good place.

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Speaker 1: He's got the house, he's got the lake. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's got it all. He clearly likes the job better

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Speaker 1: than the one he had at the NFL. You know,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a much better old old Peter King

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Speaker 1: isn't swinging his elbows around, so he's gone. You know,

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Speaker 1: you still hate Seinfeld though, Is that clear? You still

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00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: cannot stand the concept of the Seinfeld franchise. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: funny you said that. I texted one of my friends

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Speaker 1: and the Seinfeld super fan the other day and there

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: was a marathon on and I said, I'm gonna watch

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Speaker 1: five episodes. I'm gonna text you many how many times

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Speaker 1: I laugh once once watching it? Yeah, that's I love five. Though.

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Speaker 1: You weren't just dipping in for five or ten minutes

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Speaker 1: five episodes? What made you laugh? Just out of curiosity?

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Speaker 1: I think after a while like, you know, the thirtieth

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01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: time that Kramer just like blasting the door and does

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01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: that same old like shaky thing where he's like it

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Speaker 1: it looks like an alcoholic. That that that got me

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Speaker 1: like the prettiest time. I was like, okay, people couldn't

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Speaker 1: even give him that. Jerry doesn't need anything else either.

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Speaker 1: He's happier than all of us. But all right, Connor,

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Speaker 1: you are, You're a great man. You could be followed

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at connor Or that is one end and

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01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: two rs uh. And he once upon the time went

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Speaker 1: through all of our bios to see how funny they

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Speaker 1: were on Twitter. Yours Reid's. Connor Or is a staff

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Speaker 1: writer for Sports Illustrated in the mm QB. He might

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01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: he might have elbowed out, Uh, Peter King, I like

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01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: to think that's what happened. Um. And who knows who's

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: in his way next? Who's in his way next? We'll

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: have some bus tracks overs back. You've exposed my marcom

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01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: hilly and all right, Connor, good talking to anybody by guys,

1184
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: miss that guy. All right, We're out of here. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday with another show, including our first

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks recap. How exciting is dan Janzas signing off

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: for a quiet storm. The Mailman, the old Boss, and

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Speaker 1: the loose cannon behind the glass til Wednesday.