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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: We really need a victory tune here to kickoff this week. Here,
Speaker 3: it's the month of June, and that means that training
Speaker 3: camp is next month. Football season starts next months. We
Speaker 3: kickoff June. That's right, and uh, this is mickshots, and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be about the hottest day going this off
Speaker 3: Season's up over ninety degrees today. I just looked ahead.
Speaker 2: They got.
Speaker 3: Volunteer are OTAs this week, mandatory mini camp next week,
Speaker 3: and in the long range forecast, I just looked at
Speaker 3: most of the temperatures on days they'll be working out
Speaker 3: will be less than ninety degrees the rest of the way.
Speaker 3: So here it is, this is the day you whip
Speaker 3: them into shape for training camp.
Speaker 2: Important day, that's right, that's so important.
Speaker 3: Make them that's right before we do anything else. A
Speaker 3: shout out to producer Supreme Chris Beam, the coach of
Speaker 3: the Consolation champion eight and Under baseball team, his son
Speaker 3: logan one of the star players on that logan And uh,
Speaker 3: what's the name of that team, Producer Supreme, It's the
Speaker 3: wolf Pack. The wolf Pack.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When the consolation Championship eight and Under baseball, congratulations.
Speaker 4: Crucial moments where the coach Chris Beam also coach Supreme,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you made some very critical moves do in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: Are you the third base coach? Actually, Bill, you know,
Speaker 3: I am. I figured going you wave them with that window.
Speaker 3: One guy was one guy was the third base coach.
Speaker 5: I'm like that you ain't cutting it to make sure
Speaker 5: the umpire sends them back.
Speaker 3: That's your goal, right right?
Speaker 2: Hey, that was that was the crucial moment.
Speaker 4: That that moment right there, that's when you guys want.
Speaker 5: Well the final score of that championship game, which we
Speaker 5: were playing in an inferior opponent actually twenty to five.
Speaker 3: All right, hey, well that's of course it was in
Speaker 3: it for your buddy. You're in the consolation bracket.
Speaker 2: Well, I was totally.
Speaker 6: They were.
Speaker 5: They were the fourth place overall team, so they were
Speaker 5: actually pretty good and they just did not come to
Speaker 5: play that.
Speaker 2: Well, what were you guys ranked?
Speaker 3: We're like seven or eight, so we want every upset.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we were the visitors, so very good.
Speaker 3: All right, well congratulations.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey they used to and he gets come to
Speaker 6: work with me today, isn't that great?
Speaker 3: All right, very good. We expect pictures at by the
Speaker 3: end of the show. You got an hour to come
Speaker 3: up with some pictures for us.
Speaker 6: Okay, I mean they used to play the third not
Speaker 6: not of yourself, used to play in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 6: Remember the third place game.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.
Speaker 6: But like that, this is like the n I T
Speaker 6: the two games you go to the final four, and
Speaker 6: the two teams that lost played in the n I T.
Speaker 3: No nca tournament, I remember it. In the United game
Speaker 3: no basketball basketball. Well, they used to play the playoff ball.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys played in the nineteen sixty five playoff ball
Speaker 3: that was which was a consolation when in nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: five the last game of the year. If you look
Speaker 3: at the media, guys, the playoff ball, I think it
Speaker 3: was against Baltimore. You willing that day? Yeah right, but
Speaker 3: the season was over and I guess Cowboys whoever they
Speaker 3: lost to that year, I think it was sixty five seasons.
Speaker 6: Because somebody tried to mention that that was their first playoff.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, that was, and so there was like
Speaker 3: a consolation bowl game. Of course, you think about the
Speaker 3: concept of college ball games and stuff, and so actually
Speaker 3: college football was more popular than professional football back then.
Speaker 3: And so okay, we'll go to a ball game show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 6: You mean you didn't go to it. That's seven and
Speaker 6: seventh season.
Speaker 3: So all right, so here we are, Well, you got
Speaker 3: there's one. We'll spend a bulk of this show talking
Speaker 3: about what happened on Friday as well. Start, because Everson
Speaker 3: Walls was a part of it, and it was a
Speaker 3: big day here behind the scenes because former players like
Speaker 3: Everson Walls were in the house, not just for a
Speaker 3: little bit, but the opportunity to spend the day here
Speaker 3: exactly right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when I first saw the schedule, I was like, God, damn, it's.
Speaker 2: A long day.
Speaker 3: You know that itinerary for you tinerary.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: It felt like we were part of the team and
Speaker 4: you know that was the feeld that they went for
Speaker 4: and that was the field that we got.
Speaker 3: Give us how I did first on who always here?
Speaker 4: Ah Man Tony Dor said Randy White, Drew Pearson, Timmy Newsom, Uh.
Speaker 2: Who else? Michael Levan was who's that Bob Lily Lily Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Randy, Randy, Randy brought Bob with him.
Speaker 2: That was pretty cool. But you know, just think about
Speaker 2: that right to the point.
Speaker 6: Then he then he drove him home and came back
Speaker 6: by the Wow Randy.
Speaker 4: Did almost Hollywood Henderson, I saw that crazy crazy, He's
Speaker 4: lost a lot of way.
Speaker 2: It looks good.
Speaker 6: Hailey was here, of course.
Speaker 2: Dressed better than I've ever seen him in.
Speaker 3: Yes, what was the deal?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it was scary.
Speaker 3: Uh never suit, but he did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he did even long pants.
Speaker 2: Yeah he yeah, and he was like walking upright, it
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 6: I saw Brady James, rocket Ishmael, George Tige was here
Speaker 6: and uh Camps was here, Dave, Dave Campo, Fitzgerald right, Yes,
Speaker 6: fitz came in and had a nice talk with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 6: He was fired up about it because the last time
Speaker 6: he was here. I took him in the locker room
Speaker 6: and they wanted to chase us off because we were
Speaker 6: bothered the players that weren't in there.
Speaker 3: So about how many total would have been here had.
Speaker 2: To be maybe thirty.
Speaker 3: Five, okay, and these are guys that they all had
Speaker 3: at least five years or more, Sir.
Speaker 4: I did not know that was the criteria at the time.
Speaker 4: I was calling Doug Donley, you know, White not here. Uh,
Speaker 4: he didn't know.
Speaker 2: Anything about it, Like, oops, he's only here four years,
Speaker 2: well here but Chicago fifth, Yeah, he's got five in yeah,
Speaker 2: five in.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what he can tell you what happened
Speaker 6: in the meetings, but just running.
Speaker 2: In tampo, not up and talk of course, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but they these guys were really fired up about it.
Speaker 6: And obviously this was you know, Brian Schottenheimer's idea to
Speaker 6: reconnect these guys that had success in this franchise with
Speaker 6: this current team. Just another step he's taking to uh
Speaker 6: not run from the Cowboys history, but embrace it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll throw out some other names. Its a supreme
Speaker 3: just sent me, he said, like Kevin Smith was Vin Smith,
Speaker 3: Larry cole y Man.
Speaker 6: I had a long call Larry.
Speaker 2: He always talks all the time. Right, that is cool.
Speaker 2: I like him. That when who also still cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charlie Williams Charlie.
Speaker 6: And you know what the cool thing was is they
Speaker 6: allowed the guy to to bring their families with them,
Speaker 6: like Tony dor Set Anthony was with them.
Speaker 2: Uh and Anthony Junior Jr.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: Yes, John Fitzgerald had his wife with him, his son,
Speaker 6: grand grandchildren. It was it was yeah, it was really
Speaker 6: neat that they got to bring their families along too.
Speaker 3: Okay, so tell us that's your generat what you got here.
Speaker 2: And then what happened?
Speaker 4: Uh, First up, we assembled in the big meeting room.
Speaker 2: Uh. Soon as you walk in, there's a basketball goal.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is in the team meeting room or.
Speaker 2: Team meeting Okay, team meetings.
Speaker 4: And that was weird. So a lot of energy was
Speaker 4: in there, guys with.
Speaker 3: And so just former players and current players.
Speaker 4: Well the current players were already in there and sitting
Speaker 4: down and then we came in. A lot of them
Speaker 4: were just kind of content with just end along the
Speaker 4: wall and just checking it out and then they you know,
Speaker 4: sit down and go and sit down, and you know,
Speaker 4: just a lot of energy in there. Like I said,
Speaker 4: so coach was running things. Shot, he was running things
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, uh, man, he's energetic, he's energetic,
Speaker 4: at least at that moment. He had the guys in there.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of noise, and they were extremely
Speaker 4: receptive doing the you know, shuffling of sitting down and
Speaker 4: everything like that. So everybody made a point to all
Speaker 4: the current players made a point to shake hands with
Speaker 4: us that were along the wall. We eventually went and
Speaker 4: sat down. A lot of teasing going on. So they
Speaker 4: started off with the shooting contest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why, that's why the basketball goals in there.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's been in there.
Speaker 6: It's been it's part of the it's a staple.
Speaker 4: But well then what I guess that's how they start meetings.
Speaker 4: And so they started with a couple of players and
Speaker 4: Sam Williams if I'm not mistaken, uh, and somebody else
Speaker 4: Sam one, if I'm not mistaken. So then they picked
Speaker 4: two legends. Okay, it was it was it was the
Speaker 4: linebacker you just called his Namerady James.
Speaker 2: Brady James and Looney Joe Looney.
Speaker 3: Of course is his hair still real?
Speaker 2: Big? Yeah? Man, it was all up. It was all up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't care. Uh, and Looney won. James was uh.
Speaker 3: He shot how many they.
Speaker 2: Had some I can't remember how many seconds, maybe in
Speaker 2: thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: How many of you can make in thirty seconds?
Speaker 2: That's what James. He made one at the buzzer. Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah he lost, Okay, I totally got them all right,
Speaker 2: and go ahead.
Speaker 4: Then uh he called out all our names, which was
Speaker 4: very cool.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And you know, you just don't I think with me
Speaker 4: as well as we get so old, do they know us?
Speaker 2: You know, you don't. You just don't.
Speaker 4: Know a lot of stuff going a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 3: If you're on TikTok, they would know you.
Speaker 2: Right there you go, and we're not.
Speaker 4: And so you know, you wonder if they're surprised at
Speaker 4: the names, if they recognize anything. Because once we left
Speaker 4: there after getting a welcome from us, we we all
Speaker 4: stood up and the guys didn't.
Speaker 2: Man, they really did. They gave us a lot of love. Uh.
Speaker 4: It wasn't stiff in there at all. And then as
Speaker 4: we broke into the different rooms.
Speaker 6: You went into the physician meeting yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, back in the team in the big team meeting room,
Speaker 3: did they go about their normal business that you were
Speaker 3: able to eavesdrop on that? Basically you were able to
Speaker 3: you were in on that, and so that was did
Speaker 3: you get the field? This is what they normally do,
Speaker 3: and they go over some of the stuff that they
Speaker 3: normally do.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it was very brief because we were the business. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that that part I was. We were the business.
Speaker 4: And so once he you know, called the names out
Speaker 4: and talked to us about uh, you know, teamwork and
Speaker 4: things of that nature and how close our era was.
Speaker 4: Uh he you know, got a little emotion about Bob
Speaker 4: Lily and uh and and Randy coming. You know, guys,
Speaker 4: you know that they's none of the best shape, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know you got that kind of history going
Speaker 4: on right there in front of you, and you know
Speaker 4: they're still like back in the day. So there's you know,
Speaker 4: that's the connection that he was saying that was evident here,
Speaker 4: that should be evident everywhere based Yes, yes, the way
Speaker 4: I took it, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, he got a little emotional
Speaker 2: at that time.
Speaker 4: And so some guys stood up and just had statements.
Speaker 4: Legends some legends stood up and had statements, and most
Speaker 4: of them just talked about what you would do if
Speaker 4: you could talk to yourself when you were back with
Speaker 4: the cowboys.
Speaker 2: That was the legends, and that that would be the.
Speaker 3: What advice would you give your twenty four year old.
Speaker 2: Which is you.
Speaker 4: That meant that the current players would have to take
Speaker 4: also get something from that, you know.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, a.
Speaker 4: Lot of guys stood up and made some statements and
Speaker 4: things of that nature in that full meeting room. In
Speaker 4: that full meeting room, I believe that was the last
Speaker 4: exercise there after Shotty said some things that we both
Speaker 4: we went into each movie and we also kind of.
Speaker 2: Did it again.
Speaker 4: We introduced ourselves and those are the ones that didn't
Speaker 4: some didn't like myself. I didn't say anything in the
Speaker 4: big one. So now we're in the meeting and we
Speaker 4: did the same thing there. Uh, coaches all in that.
Speaker 4: I'm so horrible with names. I don't even know the
Speaker 4: d be coaches names. But uh, you can just tell.
Speaker 4: You can tell by the language that they use and
Speaker 4: how loosely that they use it that even if you
Speaker 4: don't necessarily go out and perform it perfectly, everyone was
Speaker 4: on the same page. That's always good when you go
Speaker 4: into a meeting room and you can see that kind
Speaker 4: of connection.
Speaker 2: That's always good.
Speaker 4: So that means that they have progressed to a point
Speaker 4: to where there's unity. Everyone is in unison in regards
Speaker 4: to what we're talking about here on the board because
Speaker 4: they actually started running the film.
Speaker 3: And of course you got Andre Curtis in that room
Speaker 3: and David Overstreet Junior as well.
Speaker 6: Larry Cole told me that when he was in the
Speaker 6: position meeting room defensive lineman, so the the defensive line coach,
Speaker 6: Aaron Whitecotton had been with the Jets previously and now here,
Speaker 6: uh he said, man, he goes, that guy was impressive,
Speaker 6: and I go, what what stood out? He goes, I
Speaker 6: don't know, but he reminded me of Ermie Stutton, and
Speaker 6: I'm going, all right, that's quite a compliment, right, you.
Speaker 4: Know, when you woke up the Jets, you got some
Speaker 4: old school and you're definitely but I'm sorry I skipped
Speaker 4: it like now.
Speaker 2: Of course, once we got in and.
Speaker 4: We introduced ourselves officially one at a time in the
Speaker 4: position room instead if your names is being called out
Speaker 4: by the head coach, that's when we everyone had a
Speaker 4: chance to say something a little bit more intimate in
Speaker 4: the group. And of course I'm the oldest freaking dude
Speaker 4: in the room except for Campo.
Speaker 3: But okay, yes, Campa would have gone the secondary.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh no, and so Campa of course he went, uh,
Speaker 4: and I went last, and it felt weird.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that there was time for you to talk
Speaker 3: if Campo man.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what happened. He spoke in the big
Speaker 2: meeting room.
Speaker 6: Well, and speaking of Campbo, when I was talking to him,
Speaker 6: he said, he said, yeah, he goes. You know, when
Speaker 6: I got up to say something, I said, no, check
Speaker 6: this out.
Speaker 2: He goes.
Speaker 6: Randy White and Bob Lily. They didn't play with each other,
Speaker 6: they weren't teammates, but they hooked together because they were
Speaker 6: Dallas cowboys. And he went and picked him up, was
Speaker 6: a parent, yeah, and brought him here and took him
Speaker 6: back home. He goes, that's what teammates do, That's what
Speaker 6: guys that are, and.
Speaker 2: That's what got emotional like that. Yeah, he had me food.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's we're talking more than fifty years after
Speaker 3: Bob Lily ended his career and seventy four connections, and
Speaker 3: there's the connection, you know, passes the Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: baton on Randy White basically, and here we are fifty
Speaker 3: years later.
Speaker 4: After I felt I felt funly introducing myself, I really did.
Speaker 4: I don't even I kind of want to over explain
Speaker 4: who I was, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You should have said, you know, Trayvon Digg isitting here,
Speaker 6: He tied me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should I have to tell him? Should they know?
Speaker 6: I would imagine rookies probably don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, you know, so we I just you know,
Speaker 2: da I said.
Speaker 4: I think I said something like I got a few
Speaker 4: picks when I was here, and I kept moving on
Speaker 4: because I wanted and I did talk to him about uh,
Speaker 4: you know how I hated what people can be pigeonholed.
Speaker 4: You know, somebody tell you what you can't do, and
Speaker 4: so that was my main goal. Cowboys full of people
Speaker 4: like myself. That's that's what we do, right, that was
Speaker 4: our that's our what call him, that's how that's a tradition,
Speaker 4: that's our culture. Is guys over achieving, you know, according
Speaker 4: to the numbers. So I want to make sure that
Speaker 4: they understood that, because.
Speaker 3: You needed me in there to introduce you.
Speaker 2: Because you'd be liking a boxing match.
Speaker 3: Well, I was saying. I was actually thinking about this
Speaker 3: on the drive in. I was thinking, okay, for Everson,
Speaker 3: all right, it's nineteen eighty nine, your last year here,
Speaker 3: Jimmy's first year. Okay, I was thinking, just if if
Speaker 3: Everson was a Jimmy guy. Okay, if he had, if
Speaker 3: you had played for Jimmy in college, either at Miami
Speaker 3: or let's take.
Speaker 2: It to if I stayed here with Alonger with Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but he didn't really know what you were
Speaker 3: all about coming in when he comes in here and
Speaker 3: you're it's nineteen eighty nine a lot. But if you
Speaker 3: had played for him at Oklahoma State whatever, Okay, and
Speaker 3: so he knew what you were all about. Hell, I'm
Speaker 3: thinking he he probably would not have an issue with
Speaker 3: your fretnizing after a game. He would understand your value, Okay,
Speaker 3: for a young team as well.
Speaker 2: It would be inherent. He wouldn't have to learn about it.
Speaker 2: He would already try when you got here.
Speaker 3: And and if you just look at the dynamics, the
Speaker 3: chemistry of a team which you had a younger team
Speaker 3: coming in, you had veterans, whatever, you might have stayed
Speaker 3: here through the early years and been a part of
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl teams here because you played until ninety three,
Speaker 3: and so you could you could have played with the
Speaker 3: Cowboys in ninety two ninety three and may have kept
Speaker 3: on and a couple of Super Bowl rings and then
Speaker 3: your legacy here would have been totally different, totally different.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Drew Pearson was.
Speaker 2: Well, now you get caught between.
Speaker 3: And I would have explained that to them.
Speaker 4: Get you get caught between, when you get caught between owners,
Speaker 4: that's right, and then you get.
Speaker 3: That try and you will. You gots transition in a
Speaker 3: different place, but it's not the same.
Speaker 2: That didn't help either.
Speaker 3: I mean, you for certain, for sure being the Ring
Speaker 3: of Honor.
Speaker 2: But that but that's where it was weird.
Speaker 4: Just you know, like I said, did they know about
Speaker 4: I was the one tray Boma chasing. I didn't bring
Speaker 4: that up, but once again I wanted them to understand that,
Speaker 4: you know, don't let them write the narrative. You know,
Speaker 4: that's what we do here. That's how that's I am
Speaker 4: not unique. I don't care where you've been drafted, signed,
Speaker 4: it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: Butther up Bill Bates, brother up Bill Bates.
Speaker 4: So Charlie Williams brought up the importance of special teams.
Speaker 4: I mean, and he was right. You know, it sounded
Speaker 4: like you sala like sitting in He was fagged. He
Speaker 4: he said, hey, if you're not you know, if you
Speaker 4: have a if it's two guys two third, number three
Speaker 4: DB's and one of you guys are good at special teams.
Speaker 2: You're going to beat out that guy if he's not
Speaker 2: playing special teams.
Speaker 4: So it was little nuggets for these guys, which you know,
Speaker 4: when I was a kid, I know I did listen
Speaker 4: because I.
Speaker 2: Was a Cowboy fan. When mel Renfow came in.
Speaker 3: There, I'm like, whoa you did who that was?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, with these guys, you know, I guess you know.
Speaker 4: Once again, the reception was amazing, but you know what's
Speaker 4: really sinking in for them, and I wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure that they understood, and I had to be I
Speaker 4: had to be transparent during my words. I let Raveil
Speaker 4: know that, you know, his style was just like mine.
Speaker 4: I just couldn't help. I said, so everything, everything's recycling.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, right now he's hurt, but just
Speaker 4: talking about how you know, history and how he came back,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're made of here.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you go back and listen
Speaker 3: last week's show, we talked with Everson about the and
Speaker 3: he was looking at highlights of savone revel and he
Speaker 3: was saying, he looks like me. Yeah, go back and
Speaker 3: listen to that, and if.
Speaker 2: I literally talked to him about the face to face
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 6: And if you think about it, they probably understood the guys.
Speaker 6: Maybe in the Hall of Fame. I don't know if
Speaker 6: they would have recognized Bob Lilly, but maybe Randy White,
Speaker 6: Drew Pearson for sure, did Drew get up and talk.
Speaker 2: Or did of course?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and Haley was there.
Speaker 3: You could have asked, did Drew breathe? Right?
Speaker 6: But uh, And then afterwards I watched and of course
Speaker 6: Michael got the wide receivers together right after practice and
Speaker 6: he's talking with he's showing him stuff, and even Haley
Speaker 6: was out there with the defensive lineman.
Speaker 3: So let's talk more about that, because Michael had a
Speaker 3: YouTube video and then they he's talking about the day,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to talk about some of the things
Speaker 3: he talked about with you when we continue in a moment,
Speaker 3: and we got some breaking news from around the NFL
Speaker 3: that one of the top offensive lines in football appears
Speaker 3: to be taking a hit with a retirement announcement. When
Speaker 3: we come back here on.
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Speaker 3: Okay, more on what happened on Friday with the former
Speaker 3: players here in just a moment, But here is the
Speaker 3: breaking news in the NFL. The Lions, All Pro and
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl center Frank Ragnow has informed the team he
Speaker 3: plans to retire. He posted a message on Instagram, Frank
Speaker 3: wrag Now saying these past couple of months have been
Speaker 3: very trying as I've come to the realization that my
Speaker 3: football journey is ending and I'm officially retiring from the NFL.
Speaker 3: Try to convince myself that I'm feeling good, but I'm not,
Speaker 3: and it's time to prioritize my health and my family's future.
Speaker 3: He will. He just turned twenty nine on May seventeenth
Speaker 3: and had two years left on a four year, fifty
Speaker 3: four million dollar contract that he signed a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago. Former first round draft pick out of Arkansas,
Speaker 3: and that's a big hit for the Lions offensive line.
Speaker 3: They did draft a guard, Tate Ratledge out of Georgia
Speaker 3: in the second round and a guard out of LSU,
Speaker 3: Miles Frasier in the fifth round. I suspect they since
Speaker 3: that this might be coming, and now that we're post
Speaker 3: June first, the announcement comes and they can take some
Speaker 3: of that money and it can be over the next
Speaker 3: couple of years the salary cap hit.
Speaker 5: By the way, bill, that Hall of Fame class is
Speaker 5: going to be pretty unbelievable in five years, think about
Speaker 5: Zach Martin retires Tyron Smith right now?
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Well, am I making too much of this?
Speaker 4: What's happening? I mean, what happened? What is he?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure what specific injuries that he's
Speaker 3: dealing with.
Speaker 2: I mean, if somebody, yeah, gotta.
Speaker 6: Be twenty nine, that's yeah, pretty soon.
Speaker 2: That's okay. Yeah, I don't know. This seems like kind
Speaker 2: of hasty right, nobody just me.
Speaker 3: He came into the league in twenty eighteen, twentieth pick overall.
Speaker 3: So what is it seven years in the league, eight
Speaker 3: seven of them?
Speaker 2: Right, yep.
Speaker 3: And so there you go, all right, great investigation, Bill,
Speaker 3: that's four time pro bowler. And so I'm thinking the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame is gonna wait on Frank Ragnow for
Speaker 3: a while. Nothing to take nothing away from him.
Speaker 4: But that's why I was, where's the lungevity? That's what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. If he comes.
Speaker 3: You know, ninety six games played in the league. It's
Speaker 3: a tough game to play, as you know.
Speaker 6: So something the last thing you guys did, did you
Speaker 6: stay for your barbecue lunch?
Speaker 2: I did? Yes? Man good?
Speaker 6: So Kevin Bloodsoe is the pitmaster and the last two
Speaker 6: years he came to training camp and cooked for the guys.
Speaker 6: So he's the one that they pulled in the big
Speaker 6: smoker or whatever.
Speaker 2: Man. That was nice and that was a beautiful smokers
Speaker 2: the first.
Speaker 6: Year he came. He has restaurants in.
Speaker 2: L the LA area.
Speaker 6: He's out there, but he's got one here in Corsicana.
Speaker 6: He's from. He is the biggest Cowboys fan you've ever seen.
Speaker 6: We started talking and he knew all about these guys,
Speaker 6: you guys that were there, right, and had a great
Speaker 6: conversation with him. And I remember when he came two
Speaker 6: years ago. He brought his cookbook and I got one
Speaker 6: right autographed and everything, and I told him, I said,
Speaker 6: I want you to know I used your drunken brisket recipe.
Speaker 6: He goes, I said, you know the one you said
Speaker 6: where you don't want to get up at three in
Speaker 6: the morning and start your brisket going so you can
Speaker 6: eat it that night. You had your method of starting
Speaker 6: it and then shutting it down, go to bed, and
Speaker 6: then wake up at seven or eight in the morning
Speaker 6: and just finish it off in the oven. He said
Speaker 6: it worked great. But he was there and he was enjoying.
Speaker 2: That was a great It was his smoke. It was
Speaker 2: a blue, beautiful blue color.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's and he said he's going to be there.
Speaker 4: You were saying something about Drew Pearson. We cut you
Speaker 4: off on the last break. Do you remember what you're
Speaker 4: going to say, Drew?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I asked if he talked.
Speaker 6: No, Okay, yeah, And the fact that I'm sure he did,
Speaker 6: but people would have Oh, I know what it was
Speaker 6: you know, Drew same as you, right, undrafted, yeah right.
Speaker 4: We were the only ones at the table. At one
Speaker 4: point one of the employees came up, Oh look at this.
Speaker 6: No, but my point was there were so many Hall
Speaker 6: of famers.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that employee was undrafted too.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Exactly with only two of them were legends. But now
Speaker 4: it was you know, it wasn't really a bunch of preaching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody got carried away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael didn't talk to the group, right, he did not,
Speaker 3: and so there wasn't preaching. There wasn't preaching until he
Speaker 3: got out on the practice field and before we get
Speaker 3: away from it too far. Because you challenged me to
Speaker 3: come up with injury history for Frank rag Now, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So here is his injury history. Twenty twenty fractured throat
Speaker 3: that makes me. Fractured throat during a game against and
Speaker 3: he played the rest of the game with a fractured throat.
Speaker 3: Twenty one. A severe turf toe.
Speaker 4: Injury that causes retirement right there.
Speaker 3: Twenty two, twenty two, a growing injury. Twenty three knee
Speaker 3: and ankle injuries along with an inoperable toe injury. Okay,
Speaker 3: twenty four, get this September of last season, he partially
Speaker 3: tore a pectoral muscle during a game against the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 3: He missed one game the following week and played the
Speaker 3: rest of the season despite it with a partially torn
Speaker 3: pack and also dealing with the toe injuring. And we
Speaker 3: asked why he's retiring. I think we know it now,
Speaker 3: know why.
Speaker 4: I bet if I was gonna break it down, it'd
Speaker 4: be the toe. Yeah, because that they took Dion's career
Speaker 4: and everybody thought he was invincible.
Speaker 3: And just hope he doesn't have the same lingering issues
Speaker 3: that Dion has had with his toe.
Speaker 2: Like Achilles here Sandy's toe.
Speaker 6: All right, what did Randy Galloway nickname him four toe
Speaker 6: or something?
Speaker 2: No, that's not funny, man, Come on, see you're gonna
Speaker 2: get in trouble. But now, like I said, now a
Speaker 2: bunch of preaching.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: Guys got upset what they had to say.
Speaker 4: And it was cool to hear because I was on
Speaker 4: the level below most of the legends in the position room.
Speaker 4: And but Dixon and and Campo and Charlie they were just.
Speaker 2: HETEs talking, you know, talking lango and so.
Speaker 3: It's cool now, Michael said when he got in the
Speaker 3: position group meeting room with the wide receivers, that Junior Adams,
Speaker 3: a wide receiver coach, had had them get up on
Speaker 3: the board. I mean they were doing what they regularly
Speaker 3: do I in their position group meetings, and they were
Speaker 3: reviewing some of the things they've already installed, and they're
Speaker 3: so they were getting called at random, okay, come PROMPTU
Speaker 3: come up and draw it plays, not only and Michael
Speaker 3: was talking about how when I played all I just
Speaker 3: knew what I had to do on the play. I
Speaker 3: didn't know what everyone else was running back was doing,
Speaker 3: the tight end was doing all this, and they had
Speaker 3: to know what everybody's doing, and so with pressure on,
Speaker 3: with everybody in the room, including former players in the
Speaker 3: room watching, then they'd get up there draw up plays.
Speaker 3: And so he said, CD came up and then I
Speaker 3: can't remember, maybe Mingo was the other one who came up,
Speaker 3: and he said that they both aced the tests. But
Speaker 3: those are it's an insight into what goes on during
Speaker 3: these OTAs. And I was thinking about it really for
Speaker 3: especially for new players, for the rookies coming in, or
Speaker 3: even guys that are here for the first time, like
Speaker 3: in the wide receiver room, Paris Campbell, Jonathan Mingo. It's
Speaker 3: his first time in the off season here where you
Speaker 3: can the coach and with a new position. Coach, he's
Speaker 3: learning how these how these players learn where they are
Speaker 3: and learning the offense, and really they are positioning themselves
Speaker 3: for playing time right now because the coaches are sitting
Speaker 3: here figuring out how can he retain information, how do
Speaker 3: I need to teach him, instruct him on different stuff,
Speaker 3: And a lot of a lot of the playing time
Speaker 3: for the season might be determined with what's going on
Speaker 3: during these OTAs, just mentally what they can handle.
Speaker 4: Well, what we learned was something similar to what Tom
Speaker 4: Landry did. Tom Landry would play the formation at certain
Speaker 4: times and we hated the defensive calls called thirty one
Speaker 4: safety zone. And no one ever understands this when I
Speaker 4: break it down to him. But it goes from a
Speaker 4: zone to a man to man depending on what the
Speaker 4: backs do. That's freaking impossible to do as secondary. You
Speaker 4: go from a freaking zone to man and man with
Speaker 4: no help depending on what freaking running backs are doing
Speaker 4: back in the backfields. I gotta look way back into
Speaker 4: freaking backfield while this guy is running that mean who
Speaker 4: runs probably a four to three so.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So anyway, but we played that because Los Angeles rams
Speaker 4: Billy Waddie.
Speaker 2: That play call was called the quarterback pass.
Speaker 4: So when we see that formation and that play action,
Speaker 4: we immediately go to what the strength.
Speaker 2: Of that that play.
Speaker 4: They could change up the play if they want to,
Speaker 4: which they did, but that play was a successful play
Speaker 4: for everyone back then. So now when the Cowboys see
Speaker 4: in the secondary a particular compacted or condensed formation, they
Speaker 4: play for crossing routes coming not to be necessarily picked
Speaker 4: up by who you would think, but someone who is
Speaker 4: playing for that.
Speaker 2: Route to come all the way across over here.
Speaker 4: So playing the formation I never did like that because
Speaker 4: now they know you're playing the formation, all they have
Speaker 4: to do is just one route, which if you have
Speaker 4: a four to seven guy out there at the back
Speaker 4: from somewhere like Gramley State, everyone's gonna say, hey, let's
Speaker 4: not run. Was predicated, let's go ahead and change it
Speaker 4: up because we're gonna have all day to throw on
Speaker 4: this slow cornerback. So they we had to suffer with
Speaker 4: that adjustment, but we just played the percentages. So that
Speaker 4: was a similar thing that they did that we were
Speaker 4: doing at the time.
Speaker 2: Pretty interesting.
Speaker 6: No comment, Mickey, No, I was thinking he needs to
Speaker 6: do that commercial with Mike Singletary that there's a radio
Speaker 6: commercial and somebody says, well, you make the call, and
Speaker 6: he made a defensive call and it was really long, right,
Speaker 6: and the gag was, now, what happens when you're air
Speaker 6: conditioning coming? Oh, that's easy commercial, ac guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But Mickey, you said you saw or or you heard
Speaker 3: that Michael was out on the phone.
Speaker 6: Yes, he was coaching, and he was out there with
Speaker 6: the wide receivers and Haley with the defensive ands and
Speaker 6: they were coaching.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were kind of showing them things.
Speaker 2: They look good, but.
Speaker 3: People were really, well, that's what we need to hear
Speaker 3: from you. We need to hear them. Okay, we saw
Speaker 3: we come back and they watched when we come back
Speaker 3: here because let me tell you, Michael on his YouTube
Speaker 3: and we know where Michael was in the whole coach search. Okay,
Speaker 3: we just talked about the guy that he wanted to
Speaker 3: be the head coach here. Okay, okay with the toe injury, okay,
Speaker 3: And okay, I'll tell you what Michael said about his
Speaker 3: impressions of Schottenheimer and what he thought about his day
Speaker 3: here and how his outlook for twenty five has changed. Hey,
Speaker 3: We'll hear whatever hass to say when we come back
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Speaker 3: Michael Irvin on his YouTube video, One of the things
Speaker 3: he said is at the conclusion of his twenty nine
Speaker 3: minute dissertation on what happened, he said, We're gonna shock
Speaker 3: some of you jokers. We are going to shock the world,
Speaker 3: the world, he said, with the w the lines looking.
Speaker 3: He is really excited about this season. And for some
Speaker 3: of you who are sleeping, we're going to be creeping.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's funny, she said that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so this is a guy who was touting his
Speaker 3: buddy Dion to be the head coach of this team,
Speaker 3: and he had his doubts about Schottenheimer and Schottenheimer in
Speaker 3: one day in that meeting room and out on that
Speaker 3: practice field, and what did that? What he's putting together
Speaker 3: as far as the culture with this team, uh, he
Speaker 3: has won him over hand. He thinks that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are going to shock the world this year.
Speaker 2: What was the oddest thing about someone's appearance?
Speaker 3: The oddest thing about some.
Speaker 2: Kind of I kind of tricked you on the phrasing
Speaker 2: of the question.
Speaker 6: But odd that they were there, what they looked.
Speaker 2: Like that they were there or not there?
Speaker 3: You mean as far as former players being there, Well,
Speaker 3: that Michael was.
Speaker 6: There, Jerry Jones, he was Okay, No, he walked out
Speaker 6: to practice.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't in the team meeting. Yeah, you wouldn't,
Speaker 3: but he was.
Speaker 6: He walked out to practice.
Speaker 2: He was he was not well, he didn't have a presence.
Speaker 6: There in the meeting room. Yeah, which meant to you.
Speaker 4: Let letting coach have it, let him do his thing,
Speaker 4: you know, be under control. Now, I'm not looking over
Speaker 4: your shoulder. That's the that's the guys, that's the locker room.
Speaker 4: That's the locker room. I didn't even realize it until
Speaker 4: I'm I'm like, oh damn, Jerry wasn't there, you know,
Speaker 4: and it no offense. You know, of course Jerry's team,
Speaker 4: but when Jerry comes, there is not a football team,
Speaker 4: just team.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: When when Jerry's there, that's the owner, it's the boss.
Speaker 4: It's a difference. But when when it just the team
Speaker 4: is there, then that's just the team. And that's the
Speaker 4: feel that I had without even realizing until I've just
Speaker 4: noticed that he was not there. I thought that made
Speaker 4: a big difference in and the flow and the feeling
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 2: Closest in you know.
Speaker 3: One of the things that Michael talked about, the kind
Speaker 3: of the theme of his takeaway was, as he put it,
Speaker 3: there's competition in that meeting room with the basketball goalie. Okay,
Speaker 3: competition under pressure is the way he put it. And
Speaker 3: it was even in the position group meeting when you're
Speaker 3: getting CD up on the board and then you're getting
Speaker 3: MINGO up on the board and nobody knows they're going
Speaker 3: to get called. So they've got to be prepared when
Speaker 3: they come to work. Whether it's the head coach or
Speaker 3: the assistant coaches, they're all working the same way to
Speaker 3: make sure that everybody is engaged in the entire process.
Speaker 3: And where you can't mail it in on a given day.
Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed watching the film.
Speaker 4: I did not think I would because it's like I said,
Speaker 4: I saw the itinery like, oh my god, we gotta
Speaker 4: watch film really dragging this thing out. But it was
Speaker 4: very interesting and I came away, No, it's just practice, guys.
Speaker 4: I know it's just practice. But I saw, first of all,
Speaker 4: offensively man Dak CDN pickings.
Speaker 2: They looked real good.
Speaker 4: That's on video and on that Friday, So that was
Speaker 4: that Thursday and Friday, and they were not jogging it.
Speaker 4: This is you know, the timing was supposed to be there.
Speaker 4: You know, you felt a little comfortable because there was
Speaker 4: no rushing thing. I understand that. But the precise connection
Speaker 4: that you had not with your CD but also with pickings,
Speaker 4: it was evident on the video and out on the field,
Speaker 4: but especially on the video itself because you had the
Speaker 4: entire team out there on that one and you still
Speaker 4: could see the connection coming through.
Speaker 2: It wasn't seven on seven. And while I was watching that.
Speaker 4: You're looking at the DBS and see how they're being coached.
Speaker 4: And so I'm trying to got number twenty. I guess
Speaker 4: it was number twenty Cayer elam man Man it's quick.
Speaker 6: Well, he's a first draft choice. He just fell out
Speaker 6: of favor.
Speaker 2: He did so well, not just uh.
Speaker 4: And being in the right place, but it was natural
Speaker 4: the way that the technique came to him. You know,
Speaker 4: he didn't have to work, and he wasn't stiff, he
Speaker 4: wasn't step one two, step one. No, he naturally fell
Speaker 4: into the defense. The strength of it and also the
Speaker 4: positioning that he was supposed to have. Every time he
Speaker 4: was critiqued, he was critiqued for doing something well.
Speaker 6: See, and he's one of the guys. So it'd have
Speaker 6: been a week ago I wrote about guys needing to uh.
Speaker 6: You know, we always talk about next guy.
Speaker 2: Up, talked and talked.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about that, and he was one of them.
Speaker 6: He gets a little he's getting the opportunity with here,
Speaker 6: and there's a chance Diggs won't be ready for the
Speaker 6: start of the season.
Speaker 4: So it looks he looks like he's ready to take
Speaker 4: that next step because he was playing very good defense
Speaker 4: on the wide receivers in position at all times, and and.
Speaker 2: Even Carson Carson.
Speaker 6: Kayln Carson on video and they're gonna need him.
Speaker 2: He looked really.
Speaker 6: Good, because we seem to forget and should not minimize
Speaker 6: the fact that Jordan Lewis is not hearing somebody's got
Speaker 6: to play in the slot. And they have been using
Speaker 6: Bland in the slot at times, But then who's my
Speaker 6: outside guys if he's inside?
Speaker 4: Well, at that they were playing Both those guys that
Speaker 4: I mentioned were playing outside doing a very good job.
Speaker 2: And this wasn't Walston.
Speaker 4: These were guys making plays, being in position, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to show the guys and see, this is how
Speaker 4: you know that some guys just don't retain things well.
Speaker 4: The way the coaches are coaching, I understand they're trying
Speaker 4: to make them understand what the percentages are on certain formations.
Speaker 4: There's only so much that you can do, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to coach that in them. So it's not just
Speaker 4: knowing the defense, it's formation and the route recognition.
Speaker 6: So predicting what the percentage is that this is what
Speaker 6: this route.
Speaker 2: We know it can change.
Speaker 4: We don't know that, but the odds are you gotta
Speaker 4: be ready for that. And so that to me gave
Speaker 4: me pause.
Speaker 2: That gave me pause.
Speaker 6: So the other obversation I think I can't remember. Did
Speaker 6: I say it in the break or now, the speed
Speaker 6: at running back was noticeable.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: I know they're not tackling, and I know that you
Speaker 6: got to run through every play to the goal line, right,
Speaker 6: but the speed at which those guys were moving, especially Williams,
Speaker 6: by the way, whatever he had lingering from his A
Speaker 6: C L, it sure doesn't look.
Speaker 2: Like it's there anymore. Right.
Speaker 6: We knew Blue could run, right, Sanders can run. Marfa
Speaker 6: even kind of impressive. Uh, he was the seventh round
Speaker 6: pick running back from He's like six' to.
Speaker 3: Two he's a, big big running.
Speaker 12: Back so was your boy, there lip, keckey.
Speaker 3: You, Know but, YEAH i thought that was.
Speaker 6: Impressive and then here's an observation from the locker room
Speaker 6: On thursday.
Speaker 3: When we were in, There.
Speaker 6: Dak sitting in his locker. Visiting next door Was George,
Speaker 6: pickens AND i got a better impression Of pickens just
Speaker 6: watching him interact With dak and how easily he was
Speaker 6: speaking to some of the media guys. There there was
Speaker 6: no interview going. On we ended up talking college. FOOTBALL
Speaker 6: i didn't know that he grew up In, Hoover, alabama
Speaker 6: which is right next door To, tuscalaloosen, right that's where
Speaker 6: THE sec office is In. Hoover and he was talking
Speaker 6: about why he went To georgia.
Speaker 3: And Played jalen Against Jalen tolbert's team in the State.
Speaker 6: Champigs you get, right, Yeah and he was talking about
Speaker 6: guys in high school and where they. WERE i, mean
Speaker 6: he was just very easily conversing and TALKING sec football
Speaker 6: With dak And i'm, going, OKAY i don't know if
Speaker 6: you know when sometimes when guys get, there we hear
Speaker 6: all the other. Stuff and he seemed very relaxed and
Speaker 6: very knowledgeable about the game of.
Speaker 3: FOOT i haven't been in the locker room worse pickets
Speaker 3: locker in relations he.
Speaker 6: TOOK i think he's IN i thought he should be
Speaker 6: next To, daker it's on that same, side BUT i
Speaker 6: think he was over.
Speaker 3: There it's strategic where they plays, locker.
Speaker 6: Right, well there's a Reason parsons is on the other
Speaker 6: side Of dak for. SURE i think he's In DeMarcus lawrence,
Speaker 6: locker so he's got a prime spot at the.
Speaker 3: End but just talking with, him and you, know.
Speaker 6: The same thing With Kenneth murray started talking to him
Speaker 6: and you, know AND i brought up to, HIM i,
Speaker 6: said you, know one of the THINGS i don't know
Speaker 6: if you're aware of this or, not but one of
Speaker 6: the things this team needs to improve on is their run.
Speaker 6: Defense AND i, Said i'm assuming that's one of the
Speaker 6: reasons they brought you, here and he, said and basically and, basically, well,
Speaker 6: no because you brought it up at the end of
Speaker 6: the show last. Week and he said that the first
Speaker 6: thing somebody asked him About eberflus and he, said, oh,
Speaker 6: NO i, Did and he, said the first thing he
Speaker 6: talked to me is about stopping the. Run and he
Speaker 6: must have said it three times during our. Conversation And
Speaker 6: i'm sitting there going and you, know, after you, KNOW i, Said,
Speaker 6: Okay i've written this, before But i'm going to write it.
Speaker 6: Again that twelve of seventeen teams last year ran for
Speaker 6: at least one hundred yards against The, cowboys and nine
Speaker 6: of them were losses out of. Ten so the emphasis
Speaker 6: obviously in this running, BACK i, mean in the defensive,
Speaker 6: room especially the front, seven is better be able to
Speaker 6: stop the.
Speaker 4: Run they're going to have to go somewhere else to
Speaker 4: get gither enough for.
Speaker 2: That they don't have enough right.
Speaker 4: Now and AND i know What Michael irvin's an optimism
Speaker 4: that's coming from an offensive.
Speaker 2: Standpoint, Right, uh we're gonna going back to the way we.
Speaker 4: Work what uh the year we lost to The, packers
Speaker 4: going back to you, know, offense you, know having to
Speaker 4: predicate the uh flow of the game for. US i
Speaker 4: don't like offense dictating our our. Victories and so they
Speaker 4: got to do. Something they just have to do. SOMETHING
Speaker 4: i got a lot of. Heart everybody got, heart but
Speaker 4: ain't nobody over two fifty you know.
Speaker 3: So well, so so the position that needs to be
Speaker 3: up that you're, looking that needs to be upgraded to
Speaker 3: stop the run.
Speaker 2: Is what we call, it one to the one one one.
Speaker 6: Technique and, they you, know and that's a massis's got to.
Speaker 2: Take let's be let's be real.
Speaker 4: Guys and they weren't just it wasn't just getting big
Speaker 4: guys in the. Middle they were shutting guys, down walling
Speaker 4: us off and getting around the outside as.
Speaker 2: Well so you don't just have to.
Speaker 3: Do The they missed the law a lot.
Speaker 4: Seet you got to have your defensive ends need to
Speaker 4: be styled as. Well, right you got two forty over,
Speaker 4: there but he better be a damn good two.
Speaker 2: Forty the guy From Boston.
Speaker 4: College he'd better be a, dwhite freedy or whatever on
Speaker 4: the coming up as.
Speaker 3: WHY i was high on. That MIKE L, williams who
Speaker 3: went To San, francisco went To pick before The cowboys
Speaker 3: pick where people weren't.
Speaker 2: You better coming some? Force, Man you be coming some
Speaker 2: force on the. Edge.
Speaker 4: Yeah and yet because you will be over there a
Speaker 4: lot of, times you'll be over there. Outnumbered because teams
Speaker 4: like that are, good they're shutting off the.
Speaker 2: Pursuit but maybe that's why that.
Speaker 4: Happened to us a, lot especially against The New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Saints that's how they beat us all day long with
Speaker 4: that same.
Speaker 6: Action maybe that's one of the reasons why they've Got.
Speaker 6: Murray and it's hard to tell how everybody's lined. Up
Speaker 6: he's been on the. OUTSIDE i thought he was a middle.
Speaker 3: GUY i don't know what he's at Sea, athletically he
Speaker 3: can play, either.
Speaker 6: And you know he had he Led tennessee with ninety
Speaker 6: five tackles last. Year he was the team, leader and
Speaker 6: he missed a couple of. Games but they've got him
Speaker 6: Out sandborn.
Speaker 4: And then they got to we've seen it too many times.
Speaker 6: And they can't go down on Over street and it
Speaker 6: sounded like just talking to, him you, Know thanksgiving might
Speaker 6: be his goal to get. Back, so, uh that's for big.
Speaker 2: Bodies be agile as. Well they need to be agile as.
Speaker 4: Well i've got to see some improvement From nazizzi.
Speaker 6: Is going to be really. Important and then if the
Speaker 6: guy they drafted in the seventh round is It? Toya
Speaker 6: is that how you say? It he's three, Forty so
Speaker 6: they got a big body in. There, now can you
Speaker 6: play damn three?
Speaker 2: Forty what the? Heck they? What what is?
Speaker 3: He this is the second second straight year they've drafted
Speaker 3: a three hundred and forty pounds three excuse?
Speaker 13: Me so we can we can play with ten men
Speaker 13: on the field With they Got Justin rodgers in last
Speaker 13: year's draft who went away since ain't came back and
Speaker 13: he's back now and he's to three hundred and thirty eight,
Speaker 13: Pounds SO i.
Speaker 3: Mean they've they've been throwing seventh round picks in that.
Speaker 12: Position we'll see and they got to.
Speaker 2: Play we do on need.
Speaker 6: Gimmicks but then when you're talking about that outside, Stuff
Speaker 6: Michael parson's got to understand he's got to play the.
Speaker 6: Run you, know his job is not to just shoot
Speaker 6: to the quarterback every. Time he's got to be able
Speaker 6: to stand up.
Speaker 4: AGAIN i must admit he had a little more poise last,
Speaker 4: year Did, yeah a little more poised last, year a.
Speaker 6: Little more, discipline not just chasing. Sacks, Right So.
Speaker 2: I'm just under some tough.
Speaker 3: Conditions so you spent a day at practice in. Meetings
Speaker 3: What's michael?
Speaker 2: Missing we really didn't look At.
Speaker 3: Michael, no But i'm just saying in, General michaeh what?
Speaker 3: General What Michael parsons missing by not being? Here?
Speaker 2: Oh you, Mean i'm, sorry you know?
Speaker 4: What he what he really kind of probably, started you
Speaker 4: know WHAT i, mean because that's the way it. Was
Speaker 4: it was as if he was, there you know. That
Speaker 4: i'm pretty sure he's the one that kind of started
Speaker 4: all the.
Speaker 3: Energy, yeah and the.
Speaker 4: Competition, Yeah i'm pretty had a lot to do with. That,
Speaker 4: yeah he wasn't, There he wasn't. Missed he wasn't. Missed
Speaker 4: SO i think that's a good. Thing he started. It,
Speaker 4: uh the guys that carried on and with the culture
Speaker 4: that kind of he kind of contributed to, us maybe even.
Speaker 2: Created.
Speaker 3: Uh so you have no Doubt michael comes back in
Speaker 3: here and He's, yeah there's no, nobody.
Speaker 6: But players never really do that when a guy's kind
Speaker 6: of angling for a better, contract, right players support the
Speaker 6: player's effort to do.
Speaker 2: That and and and.
Speaker 3: As far as building the team chemistry that's happening Whether
Speaker 3: mike is here or, not might and he'll fit right into.
Speaker 6: It is that what that's probably the meetings is probably most.
Speaker 6: Important that he's.
Speaker 4: Missing, Well i'm sure some, guys some of the younger
Speaker 4: guys kind of wanted to be inspired by, him who
Speaker 4: are here just got. Here but, uh LIKE i, said
Speaker 4: as far as the entire meeting room was, CONCERNED i
Speaker 4: don't know what's happened in my linebacker, room but the
Speaker 4: entire meeting was.
Speaker 2: Concerned he was not. MISSING i don't mean that as a.
Speaker 4: Dig things went well without, Him and good luck and
Speaker 4: we'll see you when you get, here you.
Speaker 3: Know, uh but you sound Like shottenheimer really rubbing off on.
Speaker 2: You is that what you? SAID i did, not but
Speaker 2: not THAT i. Think but that's the main.
Speaker 4: Thing and and, OH i kept wanting to say the
Speaker 4: camaraderie on the field man With dak AND cd and
Speaker 4: pickings JUST i THINK i may have said, Before, man
Speaker 4: it just really looks.
Speaker 2: Good, well there was a.
Speaker 4: Play it's good to have it's. Good they got their.
Speaker 4: Money everybody got their. Money we're.
Speaker 2: Here m.
Speaker 4: Hmm everybody got their money and we are what they,
Speaker 4: say ten toes. Down that's what the young kids say
Speaker 4: to say they are. Here and they are. Jelling they're.
Speaker 4: Yelling they just they're just. YELLING i don't, know you,
Speaker 4: know maybe it's just an.
Speaker 3: Act BUT i mean thinking about it last year and
Speaker 3: THE cd wasn't, around that's.
Speaker 4: What AND i said that to. Death good to see
Speaker 4: you AND cd working In south. Season good to see
Speaker 4: you A cd working in The south.
Speaker 6: Season and there was a play in one of those
Speaker 6: practices Where pickens it looked like the coverage was over
Speaker 6: THE Cd pickens. One it would have been a probably
Speaker 6: a touchdown and the first guy CELEBRATING cd.
Speaker 4: And he runs over to, Him he ran over to.
Speaker 4: HIM i saw that he ran over to him and they,
Speaker 4: whatever they walked back. Together, yeah they walked back.
Speaker 6: Together so that part of it, all this how they're
Speaker 6: going to get along AFTER i.
Speaker 2: Had maintain With.
Speaker 6: Pickens, yeah.
Speaker 2: Tough.
Speaker 6: Conditions he's got some common sense AND i think that's
Speaker 6: a that's that's a good.
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