WEBVTT - Part One Joe Pyne: The Man Who Invented Right Wing Talk Radio 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:09.600 What's desperately horny? My Saddam Hussein's best friend. I'm Robert 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:14.120 Evans hosted Behind the Bastards, the only podcast whose host 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.960 owns two kittens named Saddam Hussein and Saddam Hussein's best friend. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.560 And due to a severe veterinarian shortage in northern Oregon, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.000 uh still can't get them spade and neutered for another 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.760 nine days. And Saddam Hussein's best friend is in heat 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.360 and desperately trying to funk her brother. This has been 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:36.279 an update for all of you. Maybe disclose that information now. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.360 She has been disclosing that she wants to funck to 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.960 literally every living creature that gets near her. She had 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.360 a microphone, she'd be saying the same time. She will 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.479 not stop presenting it is. It has been a problem. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.440 We are keeping them away because I do not want 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.040 incest kittens. Um although they may have been in ses, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.840 there's no way to know um in in sittence. Yeah, 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.600 like ks Robert, who has a lot of other voice 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.160 on this podcast that people are here. Oh well, the 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.319 only person I would ever have on to talk about 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.600 kitten incest my friend Tom Rieman. Hey, Hi, what's up? No? 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.479 I'm glad you got me on to talk about these cats. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.000 This is gonna be a three hour episode about my 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.039 my cat's sex life. Um. Tom, you are the co 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.000 founder of game Fully Unemployed, one of my favorite podcast 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.160 networks host one of my most listened to shows, Fox 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.640 Molder is a Maniac, Which is a beautiful breakdown of 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:39.520 Fox Molder and what I would god damn ludaticious. Um yeah, Tom, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.000 it's it's it's really fascinating when you watch the show 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:46.000 with that context, it changes the show. It truly does. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.440 You guys do a lot of great stuff, great movie 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.440 reviews and m role playing games. People can find you 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.320 Gamefully Unemployed on Patreon. Tom. You also are what an 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.080 editor at Collider I'd forget what title, Senior editor of 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.480 Features Collider, and you and I worked together for all 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.280 of my twenties more or less at a little website 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.079 called Cracked that pivoted to video and uh and went 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.840 the way of the Dodo. We Got, We Got, We 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.919 Got dragged to hell by Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. I didn't 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.760 come across a beautiful tweet earlier today that you'll appreciate, Tom. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.760 I can't wait to hear it. Great radio great radio. Yes, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.720 look for something. A Neil dash horse broke its legs, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.600 so we had to take it out back and help 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:44.120 it pivot to video. Oh Tom, how are you doing today? 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.519 I'm doing okay, I'm I'm doing pretty good. Thanks. Uh 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.280 you know, how about how about you? How about yourself? Well, Tom, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.040 I'm thinking about the fact that there is a vast, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:58.119 incredibly well financed right wing media operation that is seemingly 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.440 dedicated to pushing a violence civil conflict that leads to 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.960 a death toll that's truly astronomical in this nation. Do 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.360 you think about that a lot? So good? Right? So 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.119 you're doing good, doing great? Uh? Yeah, no, I've tried 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.800 to think about it less. But uh and in the 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.760 past few months just I just was trying to take 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.600 a break, but I'm getting plugged back into it. You 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.160 sure are, It's uh yeah, god damn it. It's just 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.960 it's just it doesn't seem like anything's gotten any better. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.959 It sure hasn't. It's fucking relentless. And there's this is 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.440 the election. We're like, oh, thank god, and then nope 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.000 that that didn't go away. Yeah, no, it turns out 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.240 that you can't you can't vote these kinds of problems away. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.240 And today we're going to talk about where some of 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.960 these problems started. Specifically, we're going to talk about the 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.680 men who made right wing media, and particularly like right 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.040 wing talk media. So today you've got guys like um, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:58.880 Stephen Crowder, Been Shapiro obviously, Tucker Carlson being the big 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.400 the big Mama Jammy, people like Rush Limball, like like 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.160 all of all three of those people, all four of 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.360 those people you just name got picked dead last for 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:13.960 Kickball for very different reasons, and they made it the 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:20.160 entire world's problem. So all of these folks, you know 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.719 some of they all they all do slightly different variations 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.560 of the same thing. And they're not all you know, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.440 Rush is the only one who's like really a talk 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.080 radio host, but they all have you know, podcasts and YouTube. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.360 They all do the equip the modern equivalent of talk 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.560 radio and and of like, yeah, we're gonna talk about 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.400 basically the people who invented the media space that these 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.720 guys all live in. Now, these are the very first 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.719 right wing media personalities, um in a big way. So 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.920 these are these are the people who um prepared the 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.120 soil for all of the different you know kind of 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.080 quasi fascist grifters we have today, and they are They're 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.680 not all bastard in the traditional sense. Um, they're not 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.080 all people who, on their own, if you didn't consider 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.440 where everything went, would have qualified as best. Is there 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.560 all I think unpleasant people? Um, but but I think 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.279 what's interesting is how they how they start off and 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.760 kind of where they end, Like the kind of people 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.080 who inhabit this space at the beginning and the kind 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.280 of people who inhabit it now. So this is gonna 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.840 be a fun episode time. You're gonna listen to a 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.480 lot of clips that you're just really gonna dislike. Um, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:34.680 so excited. Yeah, I'm so mad soon, Yeah you really are. So. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.200 One of the things that inspired this was coming across 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.320 the fact that Tucker Carlson very recently alleged that the 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.040 purpose of vaccine requirements in the military was to quote 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.160 identify the sincere Christians in the ranks, the freethinkers, the 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.600 men with high distosterone levels, and anybody else who doesn't 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.240 love Joe Biden and make them leave immediately. Um is 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:58.200 he talking? He's getting into high tis testosterone is low 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:02.120 if you're getting vacs, that's so boys, shit not choking 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.960 on your own rotting lungs is soy. It's it's become 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.240 I mean it was, it's always been the case, but 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.120 like in the past year or two, it's really become 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.640 obvious that they just let him go on and say whatever. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.480 He just says, you didn't think it's Yeah, And I'm 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.360 starting with Tucker because he's he's just off the fucking 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.839 rails completely. And this is the end route of of 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.839 the journey that we're going to trace the start of today. Um. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.440 And the thing that Tucker has been saying that most 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.839 concerns me is he started sharing Great Replacement style conspiracy 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.560 theaters which are alleging that Democrats planned to quote change 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.279 the population of this country in order to maintain power. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.960 This is functionally the same argument Brenton Tarrant, the christ 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.520 Church shooter, made in the manifesto he wrote before shooting 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.320 fifty Muslim worshippers to death. Um. His manifest was titled 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.320 The Great Replacements. The same argument that the yeah, I'm trying, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.640 I'm trying. I'm trying to remember my behind the bastards 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.520 extended universe that all comes from the Turner diaries, right, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.840 I mean, doesn't come from the Turner Diaries was like 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.160 big definitely was pushing that. But this goes back a 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.120 while for for I mean that you could even draw 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.160 a line to like the original Nazis and kind of 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.840 some of the ship Hitler was saying about arian blood 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.120 getting watered down from interbreeding and one for sure, yeah, yeah, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.680 it's a big, big white nationalist talking point. And the 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.440 fact that this good went from great replacement went from 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:24.080 like fringe Nazi murderer manifesto in Night two thousand nineteen 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.640 to Tucker Carlson talking to three million people on a 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.239 major news network shows like how fast things go now 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.160 and how how dangerous this all is. And I think 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.760 it's important to start the stakes because it doesn't begin 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.640 that way. The guys who start this kind of right 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:44.200 wing media space. Um are the first guy we're gonna 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.760 talk to, is in a lot always kind of pleasant. Um, 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.080 at least compared to what came after. I don't think 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.600 he saw that I would have gotten along with. But 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.640 it don't believe you, it's it's it's weird. We'll see 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.520 how you think. Um. Yeah, And where we discussed this 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.240 is probably going to be these episodes with a nice 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.760 companion to our two part on Rush Limbaugh with Mr 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.080 Paul F. Tompkins. So you know, if you're if you're 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.680 looking for a good four episodes spree to go together, 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.840 listen to these two and then listen to those. Well 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:13.440 you're sweet having a very long ship or on a 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.520 road trip. So first guy we're talking about Tom is 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.600 Joe Pine p Y in the Joe Pine was born 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.440 in Chester, Pennsylvania, on December twenty two, nineteen twenty four. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:34.800 His dad problem two Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. Yeah, get it out 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.520 of there. We don't need that state. It's like you 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.480 look at that, You look at those those three pieces 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.440 of information, like this is like a fifty fifty shot. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.599 This guy is gonna be Pennsylvania in the twenties and 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:51.760 and a acember baby. Fuck that. His dad was a 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.559 brickmaker and his mom was a mom, which was pretty 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.760 much the only job most women could expect to work 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.959 at that point in time and place. When Joe was little, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.040 his family moved to Atlantic City, which is like Las Vegas, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.240 but less fun and much sadder because it's on the 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.839 East coast. Um, here's a good Bruce Springsteen's song about that. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.400 He had a difficult childhood, Joe had a pronounced stutter, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.160 and kids back then were even shitty about such things 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.640 than they are today. He was bullied relentlessly. When Joe 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.600 was eleven, he lost his younger brother to an auto accident, 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.360 which was not uncommon in those days because cars didn't 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.599 crumple and seat belts were but a fever dream in 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.200 Ralph Nader's I. By the time Joe was a teenager, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.160 his family left Atlantic City, which is always a good decision, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.240 and moved back to Chester, which is a more questionable decision. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.000 That's all. It's all they knew. It's all they knew. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.800 We're gonna pile the family into our giant, unstoppable seat 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.240 beltless car and drive back to Chester. He went to 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.480 high school, and he joined the Marines in nineteen forty two, 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.160 which was a popular decision at the time. He joined 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.120 as early as he possibly Yeah. For whatever reason, a 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.600 lot of guys joined the military, and Night Team forty 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:06.960 two must have been good ads sums about to happen. Um. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.080 He joined as the early like the first day he 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.599 possibly could um and obviously, the US had decided to 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.840 enter World War Two at this point. He was deployed 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.520 against the Empire of Japan, and he fought in some 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.920 of the war's worst battles across the South Pacific. Joe 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.080 survived to the Battle of Okinawa, which is one of 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.720 the like, like, one of the worst fights you could 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.679 possibly have been in in that war, real, real bad 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:35.280 battle Okinawa. Um. During that battle, a Japanese plane bombed 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.840 the forward base he was stationed on, seriously injuring his knee. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.840 He returned home scarred and seasoned by heavy combat. Joe 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.560 had won three Bronze Stars for valor in battle and 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.160 a Purple Heart. So he definitely saw some ship. This 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.760 is not one of like the draft dodgy right wing guys. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.920 This Ben Shapiro writing war fan fiction, like he went 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.000 to war and got bombs dropped on his leg. Yeah, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.559 he saw some of the worst ship you could have 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:05.280 seen in that particular conflict. Um. So he returns home 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.040 real fucked up, probably with a headful of PTSD, but 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.800 they didn't know PTSD was they. I'm assuming he just 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.720 drank washed it down with cigarettes. Real headful of horny cats. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.680 When he got home. He didn't know precisely what he 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.800 wanted to do with his life, but he was certain 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.079 that it involved putting himself in front of people and 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.040 entertaining them. In order to do that, he felt he 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.520 would need to deal with his speech impediment first. Using 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.400 his What led him to that decision, I don't relentlessly bullied, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.880 went to war, got bombed, his dead brother comes back. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.880 He's like, I'm gonna be an entertainer. I'm gonna be 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:52.440 an entertainer. I'm gonna come from Yeah. We just don't 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.559 know enough about his early life to know like what 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.800 the funk was going on. Maybe he just wanted to 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.600 show people my speech impediment doesn't define me. I don't know. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:06.520 I beat the Japanese, I can beat stuttering. Um So, 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.600 using his g I Bill, Joe enrolled in a drama school. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.200 He forced himself through agonizing hours of live performances in 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.439 front of his classmates to overcome his stutter. He locked 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.920 himself away in his room and would perform hours and 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.840 hours of speech drills every day, and eventually he did 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.480 overcome his speech impediment. Once he graduated, Joe became a 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.440 taxi driver in Chester. He continued to work on his 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.120 speech while he was driving people around. Um Eventually, he 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.600 decided he'd come far enough, and he started a career 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.440 as a broadcaster by this point. The way the way 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.480 you phrase that made it sound like he was doing 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:46.000 like his speeches to his passengers. None, give me some notes. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.640 I got a tight five. I'm gonna run it by you. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:59.200 There's no seat. You are really dependent upon me. So 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.480 he uh he, he does this, um and uh yeah, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.920 he decides he's he's finished by like late nineteen forty six. Um. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.520 Now again, nineteen forties radio is king. TV's coming around, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.880 But that's still not the number one way people get entertained. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.760 You're you're really Radio is is the top of the 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.920 top of the world, and they assume it will be forever. Uh. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.600 He was able to convince a station manager in Lumberton, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.480 North Carolina, to give him a job on w t SB. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.440 The pay was twenty five dollars a week, which was 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.960 not good money even back then, and he failed to 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.400 stand out enough that he felt he had any hope 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.920 of advancement. So after a year he returned home dejected, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.839 but Joe kept pushing until he got another job at 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.560 w p w A in Brookhaven, Pennsylvania. He got into 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.920 a vicious argument with his boss while still knew on 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.640 the job and was quickly fired. Next he moved to 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.520 w I L M of Wilmington, Delaware, where he was 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.680 also quickly fired. Yeah, you get the feeling. He was 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.360 not easy to work with at this point. Um Fully, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.839 email didn't exist, so these people couldn't tell each other 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.920 about Joe. He moved back to Chester after this, and 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.040 then the Kenosha next where he got a job with 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.160 a new network called w I L P. His job 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.120 in all of these places was very straightforward, introduced in 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.679 play records with a minimum of fanfare. He was not 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:26.280 being hired to be a personality. Was just fired from Dick. Yeah, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.880 that was a big part of it. Um. He would 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.320 riff a lot. He got in trouble in Kenosha, and 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.080 I think he'd gotten in trouble before. He would riff 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.160 on politics and current events, which was not what we 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.560 were supposed to do at the time. So his bosses 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.000 are like nobody, Nobody. People are tuning in to hear 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:41.920 I don't know what the big music that the big bopper. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.320 Nobody wants you. Nobody gives a shit about what you 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.040 have to say. Put on Shantilly lace and shut your 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:54.080 fucking mouth. Smoke a cigarette. Um yeah. The kind of 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.400 riffing that he thought was the future of radio was 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.040 simply not done at the time. Commenters were part of 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.960 the news department and jockeys were not. Disc Jockeys were 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.080 there to entertain, and he'd been hired as a disc jockey. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.640 Um so, if you were going to be a commentator, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.400 if you're talking about the news, you didn't like give 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.840 your opinion. You try to just kind of like read, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:15.280 you know, like the ap wire basically. Um. W l 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.480 i P though took callins. Listeners could dial in and 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.560 request songs, but Joe started insisting on asking his listeners 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.760 what they thought about the political issues of the day, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.640 which was the first time anyone had ever really done 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.320 that on radio, like take call ins, and he kind 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.200 of forced the issue of making them political. One w 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.120 l i P employee at the time recalled he wanted 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.760 to chat with him, but in those days there was 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.360 no way to put a phone line on the air. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.080 Joe would say uh huh and and then tell the 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.800 call the listeners what the callers said. So this is 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.240 like this is the very first talk radio. He's just 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.560 on the phone with them being like mmmm, alright, so 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.440 here's what he said. Let me tell you what Dennis 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.200 from just say, yeah, and you're like listening to almost 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.480 dead air while he's listening to on the phone. But 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.000 this is this is literally the birth of talk radio. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.440 This is the first time anybody does this, Joe Pine 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.760 and he moves along eventually, and I'm gonna to explain 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.360 that process. I'm going to read a quote from a 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.880 write up in Smithsonian magazine. One caller objected to the 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.200 young DJs pro union opinions. Do you know anything, sir, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.560 about the history of labor management relations, Pine asked the man. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.080 After a moment of dead air, he continued, no, you 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.400 keep your voice down. Pine was an expert. Interrupted like 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.040 this caller barely paused for breath listening. Pine had an idea. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.080 According to REGANI, who worked there, he held the phone 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.080 receiver to his microphone. Now the caller was live on 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.600 the air, and call in radio was born. Um, so 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.480 that's nineteen forty nine and Kenosha Joe Pine in vinced 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.000 call in radio by literally holding a phone up to 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.920 the mic. In fairness, some random dude calling in to 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.680 request Frankie Valley, who had very strong opinions about labor 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.240 unions is who actually created it's guys such an ass all, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.800 I gotta put him on about it. That's a fair 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.120 why you got to hear what a piece of ship 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.080 this guy is. Let me invent a new discipline that 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:11.399 will later ratchet the country towards violence. Was born in 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.840 stupid anger, and it will kill us all with stupid 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.399 and stupid anger. It will return. Yeah, perfect, What a 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:23.720 beautiful way for that to get started. Honestly, And I 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.240 love because this guy gives birth to right wing radio. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.760 But he the start of talk radio was him trying 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.879 to defend like the right to unionize, which is that 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.160 was I was not expecting that to be the issue, 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.600 said it. I was like, really that you could be 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:40.000 pretty conservative and pro union in those because it wasn't. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.280 It was more racist back then, obviously everything was, but 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.680 politics in some ways was less dumb um it wasn't. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.359 It hadn't gotten to the point where it is with 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.680 like the right wing left wing, Like conservatism is such 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.399 a part of my like identity that like I I 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:58.000 have this vested interest in like demonizing anything like you 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.520 did have a lot of I mean, like like one 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.479 of the union strongholds in the US for a long 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.920 time was West Virginia. You know, like people like fought 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.240 to the death for Union, said West Virginia with rifles. Um, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:14.320 and now it's Joe Mansion country. Uh so, well sorry 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.119 West Virginia. UM. But like, yeah, the things were different 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.960 than politically, is what I'm saying. And yeah, um so 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.320 Joe was fired. H I think this kind of is 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.920 part of what got him fired because his his boss 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.080 at the station was like, he's supposed to be playing songs, Joe, 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:35.440 what are you doing holding their phone to the goddamn microphone. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.800 Put on the goddamn reck, Put on the fucking twist. Yeah, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.719 do you want to get a rush limbox? Because that's 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.640 how you get a limbo. This is how we get 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.000 a limb. Put the phone down, put on the goddamn music. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.480 I don't want to listen to Stephen Crowder's heart surgery 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.680 problems in twenty five year or forty five years, however 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.240 many years, a hundred years, sixty years, whatever, too many 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.719 years to arsh it's year. Nobody nobody is even alive anymore. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:09.280 No God, thank god. Um So, despite yeah, inventing call 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.480 in radio, Joe's boss did not appreciate him he wanted 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.600 someone to read ads and introduce songs. The two fought constantly. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.280 At one point, Joe demanded a raise, which led to 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.199 a fight. Another w l I P host later recalled 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.320 stumbling in on the melee Joe was yelling. She recalled, 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.400 he had one hand on our boss's lapelle. He picked 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.440 up a typewriter and threw it against the wall. Oh fuck, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:31.520 So that gives you a little bit of an idea 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:36.040 of like why this guy keeps having problems with his coworkers. Yeah, 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.119 he almost said that was danger. He almost scored some 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:40.640 points of me there because you were like, he picked 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.800 up a type. I'm like, here we here, we go 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.439 hit him in the fake all right, Well, fair compromise, 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.960 all right. So he gets fired again, and he continues 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.239 to move around frequently. You know, while he's going from 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.800 radio station to radio station. He marries a beauty queen. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:58.920 He divorces here a year later because she gets sick 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.399 of him. U he's working at w y l M. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.560 He starts a show called It's Your Nickel, so named 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.320 because the nickel was the standard cost for a call 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.119 on a pay phone. And this was the first, yeah, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.840 proper radio talk show it's your nickel. So he does 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.359 get a job doing the thing that he invented, and 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.560 that's that became a phrase like it's your dime or 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.800 it's yourn or it's your dollar. Yeah, And I don't 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.520 know if that's the he may have just been using 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.720 because it was already like what people said. Um, but yeah, 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.439 I mean he may have invented it. I have not 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.480 done that research. Tom Um that someone at home. Well, yeah, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.920 something something that sticks out to me about old Joe 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:39.240 Pine is that he has trouble forming lasting relationships. Yeah. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.200 He goes from job the job. Marri's a woman, divorces 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.360 her late like he seems like he might be impossible 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.160 to be around. It does, and it also again, this 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.840 is one of those black box of history things. I 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.200 do kind of wonder how much of this is a PTSD, 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.720 because that can make it real hard to get along 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.240 with people and a hard to regulate your emotions. It 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.440 might make you more likely to throw it to ypewriter. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.840 He did get bombed in one of the most notorious 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.560 battles of World War two. Yeah, yeah, who knows. It's 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.800 It's one of those things. It's like lead exposure, which 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.360 I'm sure Joe Pint was also exposed to a tremendous 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.199 amount of lead. Like, you wonder how much of an 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.520 impact did this have on like the way people were 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.520 back then. We wonder how many people were just walking 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.359 around poisoned and crazy like seventy years ago, just because 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.560 that's the way it was. Yeah, I mean there's there's 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.879 there's a lot of like pretty strong evidence that at 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.360 least the lead exposure may have been part of why 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.200 there was so much more violence back you know, even 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.080 just like twenty something years ago. Um, because everybody was 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:42.520 inhaling lead and eating lead off the walls. And I 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.560 do want some delicious lead tom Um. Yeah, there's nothing 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.840 that goes with like a nice breathe. Like you get 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.800 a lead chip and you just dip it in a breath. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.520 That's a good Yeah. Nice meat mixes sweet and savory 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.639 like a lead flight. Yeah, like a lead flight, like 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.080 a flight of lead. I'm gonna start a lead stairant, Tom, 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.320