1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes and moments from this 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: week on the show Enjoy. You said the Pacers had 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: to win this game, and they went out there and 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: win it. 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: Their role players showed up. 7 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 3: Okay, C's role players did little for them, shave and 8 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: kind of underwhelmed a little bit. Do you think that 9 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: that performance is replicable for the Pacers? 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: Well, what I think is this. I think we have 11 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: something now that I never thought we were going to have, 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: which is a real series that could go either way. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: And I I'm shocked Indy won that game, and I 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: know I shouldn't be, because again, five and a half 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: point underdogs win all the time. It's not like and 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: they were at home. 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: They're at home. 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: And I understand all of that, I really do. And 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: if I the only solid I have, I suppose from 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: a personal perspective, in all you know my terrible poker 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: results from last week in Vegas's. Had I not had 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: terrible poker results last week in Vegas, I almost assuredly 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: would have fired considerably on the thunder to win this 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: basketball game. Because I have bought in. I have bought 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: in that the twenty twenty five Oklahoma City Thunder as 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: far as singular seasons are an all time team that 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Indiana did not have an answer for Shay And as 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: we talked about I think pretty intelligently on Tuesday, it 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: is just so hard unless you have the best defense 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: in basketball to win a championship, if your best players 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: a pass first guy, if he's not a just go 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: get you a bucket guy. And we talked about it 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: on Tuesday that the greatest point guards we've seen in 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: the history of this league, aside from Magic Johnson, we're 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: not able to crack that code if they were Listen, 36 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: Steph did it. Obviously he's not a pass first guy. 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Zeke did it. He could have scored more, but also 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: had the best defense in basketball. But Jason Kidd or 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Chris Paul or hell Oscar Robertson before he had a 40 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: Keeam or Bob Coosey before he had Russell, Steve Nash, 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: those guys, It's just so hard because you are going 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: to come again across a team who's best guy can 43 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: go get a bucket whenever he wants And how do 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: you answer that? And again, I'm not acting as if 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the Pacers have won the series. I am acting as if, however, 46 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: we now have a series, and now, all of a sudden, 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: the Pacers have a game to play with the Pacers 48 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: demands go into Game four, and I'm sure they won't 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: view it this way, but it's a house money game. 50 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: They go into Game four saying, all right, if we win, 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: we have a vice script on this series. And if 52 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: we lose, we already know we can win in Oklahoma City. 53 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: And unlike Game one, which you give the Pacers credit 54 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: for their heart and their grit and all of that, 55 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Game one, however, let's be honest, felt fluky. It felt like, okay, 56 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City took their eye off the ball for just 57 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: a minute, and the Pacers stormed through that door. 58 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: We say it felt fluky. 59 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: If this is what they do, then they get they 60 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: get in those late game situations and they can over coming. 61 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: I think they just did it again. 62 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: So but well, that's not what they did here, Oh yeah, 63 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: in this is not in this game. I'm talking about 64 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Game one. 65 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: So here, here's why I'm saying it didn't feel fluky 67 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: that they it hit you know, that Haliburton hit the 68 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: game winner. That didn't feel fluky. What felt fluky was 69 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: the fact that Oklahoma City led seconds into the game, 70 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: the Pacers never closed the gap, that it was a 71 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: fourteen point game in the fourth quarter and it was 72 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I and all of a sudden, the Pacers have a 73 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: chance to steal it that and you're right, that was 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: the fourth time they've done that in these playoffs. I 75 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: get that. So maybe fluky is the wrong word, Jeeves, 76 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: but not They weren't going to win four games that way. 77 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: They were not going to win games where Oklahoma City 78 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: dominates the game and then they come roaring back like 79 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: they've won one game a series that way, and then 80 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: game two, when Oklahoma City dominated from start to finish, 81 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: that felt to me much more indicative of the game. 82 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: We were going to get where the Pacers are good 83 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: but Oklahoma City's great, and instead, everything you wanted to 84 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: see from Indiana they did. They did bother shay More 85 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: Halliburton was more aggressive, Siakam was more efficient, and the 86 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: star of the game Benedict Mathern, who has had such 87 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: an interesting playoffs. So Matherin who the Pacers beat Demonse 88 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: because they never tank, don't have a lot of of 89 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: super high draft picks on their team, and in fact, 90 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: I think like, I don't know if it's franchise history 91 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: like the last thirty years or something, but there's only 92 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: two guys that they have drafted in the top nine 93 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: or something. I'm gonna get that those details a little wrong, 94 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: but it's about that Mathern and a kid who's hurt, 95 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: and Matherin was kind of it looked like, oh wait, 96 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: is he gonna be odd man out? When in the 97 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: Cleveland series Game four he basically gets a DMP coaches decision. 98 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: Game five he only plays eleven minutes. Then against the 99 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Knicks Game two, eleven minutes, zero points, Game three, eight minutes, 100 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: two points, and it looked like Carlisle was souring on it. 101 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: And then Mathern has had in the last six games 102 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: three just unbelievable stat lines off the bench Game four 103 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: against the Knicks twelve minutes, twenty points, Game five against 104 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: the Knicks twenty five minutes, twenty three points, and then 105 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: last night Game three against the Thunder twenty two minutes, 106 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: twenty seven points. And I'm gonna pull it up so 107 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: we have it exactly. But since he was basically it 108 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: looked like, oh man, is Carlisle done with him. In 109 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: the six games since then, Benedict Mathern has played one 110 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: hundred and six minutes and scored ninety three points. The 111 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: guy is basically a point a minute over his last 112 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: six games. None more important or no worthy than last 113 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: night when nobody had an answer for him, when he 114 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: just he was the X factor off the bench for them, 115 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: and all I'm just so yes, listen, TJ McConnell did 116 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: TJ McConnell things. And he loves getting those steals in 117 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: the back court. You know, he's just a white man's 118 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: Jose Alvarado, like I'm gonna play this scrappy style, I'm 119 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna annoy you. He doesn't. He doesn't go out of 120 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: bounds and and trick people like that. But he's a pest. 121 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: And one of his steals, the one where he just 122 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: caught the inbound pass and laid it up, was one 123 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: of the dopest things. That was one of the coolest 124 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: many highlights of the season. He just jumps up and. 125 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: A couple times with that. 126 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he had he made three baskets, I 127 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: feel like they were and he had five steals. So 128 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: TJ McConnell off the bench, five steals, Obi Toppin off 129 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: the bench four of five from two and some big rebounds, 130 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: and Ben matherin man nine of twelve, got to the 131 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: free throw line eight times, which is another thing he 132 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: did against the Knicks. He drew fouls and got to 133 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: the line. He's plus sixteen and twenty two minutes. 134 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: He's okay. See, another thing to have to worry about. 135 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: One hundred percent and credit where it's due to Halliburton, 136 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: because Halliburton the point that I made. Now, let me 137 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: just be clear here. My playoff bracket and my playoff 138 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: predictions are in shambles. I have been wrong about three 139 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: series picks, more this playoffs than any playoffs I can remember. 140 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: And better of the year, which we'll get to later, 141 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: is on life support. It's truly on life support. My 142 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: in series analysis has been far better. And one of 143 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: the points that I'm excuse me, I apologize. One of 144 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: the points I made after game two was the Pacers 145 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: need to recognize you are not playing a good shot, 146 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: good shot, great shot team. You are playing a bad shot, 147 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: decent shot. Take the shot. And it felt like Halliburton 148 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: understood that. That Haliburton, when his teammates go five of 149 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: twenty one from three, when aside from Mathern, nobody hits 150 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: more than one three, When aside from Siakam, none of 151 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: the other starters really seem like they have it offensively, 152 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: he understood, I've got to be a little more aggressive 153 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: looking for my own shot, and he did. Now he's 154 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: still the ball was still popping and moving, and he's 155 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: still had his eleven assists, and he was a rebound 156 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: shy of a triple dobbel. But he was a little 157 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: more aggressive offensively. And here's the other thing the Pacers do, man, 158 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: they wear your ass out where they are. And the 159 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: part of this is because Carlisle trusts the bench like 160 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: it is remarkable demonse that in a basketball game. That 161 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: keep in mind, I thought the thunder kind of stole 162 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the game a sneaky what could have been a sneaky 163 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: huge moment was the very end of the third quarter 164 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: when the Pacers are up one with thirty five seconds 165 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: left and Check gets a dunk and one. Now they're 166 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: up too. McConnell misses, you know, like a five footer, 167 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: and then j Dubb hits a three basically at the 168 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: quarter buzzer, and it went from oh, the Pacers are 169 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: gonna have the lead going into the fourth to the 170 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: Pacers are down five going into the fourth, and then 171 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: it didn't you know, they crushed him in the fourth 172 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: thirty two to eighteen. But the fact that Halliburton in 173 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: what I felt was a gotta have it, must win 174 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: game that was nip and tuck really throughout. He only 175 00:12:54,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: played thirty six minutes. Like Halliburton has not played forty 176 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: minutes in a regulation playoff game this year, which is 177 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: maybe one of the reasons he's so good at the end. 178 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: But a de testament to the Pacers that they're able 179 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: to do that have their best player on the bench 180 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and not get blown out and the thunder at the 181 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: end of this game, we're the tired team. What a performance. 182 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: And it is not lost on me that I said 183 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: this was to me the most shocking singular Finals game 184 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: for me since Game five twenty eleven MAVs heat. And 185 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: the coach of the team that pulled off that upset 186 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: and the coach of the team that pulled off this 187 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: upset are the same guy, Rick Carlisle, who I imagine 188 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: once the Finals are over, the Knicks are going to say, hey, 189 00:13:54,040 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: can we interview him? So demonimia. 190 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: One of the questions from the chat, Oh yeah, so, 191 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: anonymous three to five four says Nick, what do you 192 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: think has been the issue with a lot of pundits 193 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: getting behind the Pacers as a good team an autymous 194 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: three five four. 195 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: I've been there with you, but go ahead, so listen. 196 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: I don't think people have denied that the Pacers are 197 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: a good team. I do think people have. I think 198 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: it's fair to say people have not acted as if 199 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: the fact that they have the second best record in 200 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: basketball since and I don't think have lost consecutive games 201 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: since January one. I think that people have dismissed that, 202 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: maybe a little more than they should have. But I 203 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: think this was less about a dismissal of Indiana and 204 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: more about a reverence for OKAC, who, if we're being honest, 205 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: through to games controlled ninety six percent of this series, 206 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: ninety six minutes played. 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I don't think the honest thing is guaranteed 251 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: that he's asking for a trade, but I certainly don't 252 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: think it's guaranteed that he's staying in Milwaukee, but the 253 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: Yannis trade is going to be more complicated and two 254 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: thirds of the league are going to be interested. There 255 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: seems to be a lot of smoke surrounding Durant and 256 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: the Spurs. That's a fun one that I'm interested in, 257 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: But I do not think that team can win a championship. 258 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: I just don't think Wimby is ready yet. 259 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: To be Kevin Durant's goal. What a question. 260 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: Do you not think it is? 261 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: I mean, he wants to go play in San Antonio, 262 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily seem like it is. I don't think 263 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: that he thinks that he's the missing piece from San 264 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: Antonio getting to a championship. 265 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Well, and to be fair, we don't know where he 266 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: wants to go play but san Antonio, but it seems 267 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: like go ahead. I'm sorry, no, I mean, listen, the Spurs. 268 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: It's not like if he were to go to Miami 269 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: and pick Miami, then I would say he's not that 270 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: worried about winning a title because they can't win, right. 271 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: You know, with respect to him, you'd have to give 272 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: up something for him, even if you've got a hero 273 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: and bam, that team's not good enough. The Spurs. Castle's good, 274 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: Dearn Fox is really good, Wimby has unlimited upside. And 275 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: if Durance still feels like I'm the you know, fifth 276 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: best player in the NBA, even if he's closer to 277 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: the fifteenth best player in the NBA, Like, it's not 278 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: like he'd be going somewhere where they have no shot whatsoever. 279 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: The So the Spurs to me are interesting, but it 280 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't put them over the top. I am those other 281 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: three teams. You could maybe convince me on any of them. 282 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: That man, that team could win the title if you 283 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: took away Jalen Green's minutes and gave them to Kevin Durant. 284 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: They beat the Warriors, like that's that's not even to 285 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: me a question. They beat the Warriors and then they 286 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: have a real you know what I mean, a real 287 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: shot next year, Shingoon a little better. You know, you're 288 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: gonna have a great defense with Udoka Like that, to me, 289 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: that team is really interesting. Now that's the perfect honest team. 290 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: But Houston is really interesting. Anthony Edwards plus Durant, if 291 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: Ant can level up just to touch that one's interesting. 292 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: And the Knicks. I don't think the Knicks necessarily would 293 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: be better than the Knicks with Durant, wouldn't necessarily better 294 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: be better than Houston or Minnesota with Durant, but because 295 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: one's in the East and ones in the West like 296 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: the Knicks, would be a really fascinating one and one 297 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: that I would be really interested in seeing how it 298 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: plays out. I do think KD has at least one 299 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: more elite year left in the tank. And I also 300 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: think people need to understand because of his kind, he's 301 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: not easy to trade. So like the idea, I know 302 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: that Shams has said, or Shams has said, there are 303 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: wild card suitors. You gotta find wild card suitors that 304 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: aren't second Apron and can get the salaries together and 305 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: all of that. And so I would imagine, just my 306 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: guess that one of the wild card suitors is the Clippers. 307 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: That'd be a very hard trade to pull off. And 308 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: that's when I wouldn't like to see. Yeah, I've seen 309 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: Durant with Harden, I'm not And like Kawhi's an injury risk, 310 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: Durant's an injury risk. I'd like to see Durant be 311 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: the old VET on a young team, like you know 312 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that would be I think 313 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: that would be fun. But Durant is one hundred percent 314 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: getting traded. Yannis might get traded, and then we'll see 315 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: what the other moves are. All right? Do we have 316 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: a couple listener questions demand we can get too quickly 317 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: before I got to get out of here. Uh? 318 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll catch ass. 319 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: Which is more likely Thunder coming back or Demonte's rec 320 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: lead team turning it around. 321 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: What's the answer. 322 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: I'd honestly say Demandy's rec league team turning it around. 323 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: Wow, I think. 324 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: That the Pacers. I just think the Pacers are gonna 325 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: win this series. Man, that would be great. Can I 326 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 3: just say something else? And I'm gonna bring I'm gonna 327 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: bring my our pods set up with us to Miami. 328 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: And if the Pacers win Game four Friday night, all 329 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: do sometimes Saturday morning, some emergency pod type of thing. 330 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: It would be awesome. If the Pacers win. I'm like, 331 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to, but it would be awesome. 332 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: Joseph says, what's up with the gun show today? Demanse 333 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: looking all jacked? You know what's so funny? And this 334 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: is a compliment, Demonsey, don't take this the wrong way. 335 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: I actually was thinking the opposite. I was like, you 336 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: need to hit those push ups a little bit more. Man, 337 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: You're not as I do though, no for real, like again, 338 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: like I mean, you're in great shape and a great athlete, 339 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: but just for like when I saw you in your jersey, 340 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Demans is a little skinnier than he 341 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: was a few months ago. 342 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: Like, appreciate Joseph. 343 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: Sorry, but Nick, right, muse what did he say? Tomanse 344 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: quick grammar check for Nick. 345 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 3: I know Nick will appreciate this. He said change tack 346 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: a couple of times now on First Things First and 347 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: the Herd, and it's changed tack. 348 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: Really, it's so that, thank you. I do appreciate that. 349 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: I have said they need to change their tacked tact 350 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: and he's saying that the phrases it needs to change tack, 351 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: which is t a c K. I didn't know that. 352 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: I'll look up why that is. 353 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: I had no idea. 354 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, Lebron might be the NBA's leading scorer, but what 355 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: does that mean when you got no. 356 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: Bag on mine? 357 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: In the game, Lebron said, I see all the time 358 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: I'll be on social media and like Lebron has no bag. 359 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: Lebron has no. 360 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Bag, and I'm sitting here like I got fifty billion points. 361 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: I thought he should have said I've got fifty billion chips, 362 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 3: like word played on like a bag of chips. 363 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: But Lebron be the undisputed goat if he's got no bag. 364 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so let me go. Let me ask you this, 365 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: what do you think having a bag means? Because it's 366 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: this is not an agreed upon definition, and I think 367 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: that is an important piece to it. So I'm curious 368 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: where you what you think? 369 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I think having a bag is is James Harden 370 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: that's like like Steph Curry, just just a go to 371 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: move or or a bag of. 372 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: Moves that you can go to to break the defender down. 373 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: I just think it's offense. It's offensive game. 374 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything outside of that. No, So 375 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: it's and it's it's definitely offense and definitely related to scoring, right, 376 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: Like I think everybody agrees on that. So here is 377 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: what I think is fair and true, and here is 378 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: what I think is just nonsense. Right. So I think, 379 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: what do you think the weakest part of Lebron's offensive 380 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: game is? Because I think it's very clear. I think 381 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: there is one thing that offensively he is average at 382 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: I would say it's just league average. 383 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: Could stop, go, stop start. 384 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Well, maybe we're saying the same thing just general ball handling. 385 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: Oh okay, he's not an elite. 386 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: He's not an elite ball handler. And so if people 387 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: if by bag they mean like a Kyrie's style, like 388 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: fifteen dribble move, then sure, then yeah, Lebron's not going 389 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: to be one of your top thirty picks of people 390 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to ball handling like the he I 391 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: think Durant at seven feet tall might be a better 392 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: ball handler like I do. And so like that is 393 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: to me, that's a if that's what people are talking about, 394 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: that's actually accurate. Now to Lebron's point, is it possible 395 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: that not just kids on Twitter, but also retired NBA 396 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: players on horrific podcasts wildly overrate the bag. If to 397 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: Lebron's point, he's got fifty thousand points and doesn't have one, 398 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: then yeah, then maybe it's not quite as important as 399 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: you think. So if we're just saying bag is ball handling, 400 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: then it's probably it's probably true. Here is where I 401 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: think it gets a little though misconstrued or misleading. If 402 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: by bag. People are talking about ability to score from 403 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: anywhere on the court at any time. Lebron's as good 404 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: as anyone in the history of the league being a 405 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: and this is where, and this is again where we 406 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: will simply run into folks who some I'm sure are 407 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: in the chat right now, who are going to try 408 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: to douce a lot of mental gymnastics around the numbers 409 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: and the facts, which is now. Lebron early in his career, 410 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: didn't you know, was not a good jump shooter. But 411 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 1: the benefit of playing twenty two years is even if 412 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: you weren't good at something for the first seven, there 413 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: were fifteen years you were good at it. So like 414 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: even be like, oh, Lebron couldn't shoot, But by year 415 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: nine he was literally forty one percent from three. His 416 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: third year in Miami, I guess that would have been 417 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: year ten, and then you know, that was year ten 418 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: for him was still the first half of his career 419 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: in Miami, he developed his three point shot. His second 420 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: stint in Cleveland, he developed his mid range shot, particularly 421 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: the turnaround, and since then has been the idea that 422 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: he's gotten his fifty thousand points by putting his head 423 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: down and just going to the rim one hundred times 424 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: a game. Again, that's just blied by the date, uh 425 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: and by the date I mean the games are on TV. 426 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: You can see where the shots are made, all of it. 427 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: That he has the same shot People talk about him 428 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: as if he has the same shot chart as Shack did. 429 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: That it was lay up, some free throws, done some 430 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: free throws. But this is where now we are, and 431 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: this is why and I you always have to be 432 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: sensitive here because of obviously the tragedy surrounding is passing. 433 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: But the juxtaposition of Kobe versus Lebron, as far as 434 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: what the actual truth is and was versus how they 435 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: are remembered, has always been very interesting because if you 436 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: ask one hundred NBA fans who was the better three 437 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: point shooter, Kobe or Lebron, the vast majority are going 438 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: to say Kobe Bryant, despite the fact that any possible 439 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: way you slice it, it's not true. And I will 440 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's bag for some it's like 441 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: your ability, like I said, to score from all three levels. 442 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: So Kobe for his career was thirty two point nine 443 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: percent from three Lebron for his career thirty four point 444 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: nine percent from three. Oh well, Nick, Kobe shot way more. No, 445 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: he didn't. Kobe for his career four point one attempts 446 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: per game, Lebron for his career four point seven attempts 447 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: per game. Well, Kobe was better in the playoffs. No, 448 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: for his career from three, his three point percentage is 449 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: thirty three point one percent on four attempts per game. 450 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: Lebron for his career in the playoffs is thirty three 451 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: percent on four point one attempts per game. Well, oh wait, 452 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: hold on, had I got that last one exactly wrong? 453 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: I apologize because I read Kobe's I read Kobe STAPs twice. 454 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: Kobe for his career in the playoffs thirty three point 455 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 1: one percent on four attempts per game four point zero exactly. 456 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: Lebron for his career in the playoffs thirty three point 457 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: three percent, essentially the same. Lebron to took better, but 458 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: on four point nine attempts per game. Oh well, Nick, 459 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: And this is one you'll hear when people are really 460 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: at this point grasping, Nick, the game's changed so much, 461 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: even though Lebron and Kobe played in the league together 462 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: for a more than a dec Okay, so if you 463 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: just take Lebron's career and stop it. When Kobe retired, 464 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: Kobe again for his career, thirty three point one percent 465 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: on four point zero attempts per game. Look, that's for 466 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and for the regular season Kobe thirty two 467 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: point nine on four point one attempts per game, basically 468 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: identical for Kobe regular season of playoffs he retired in 469 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Lebron his rookie year through the date of 470 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Kobe's retirement the exact same number of three point attempts 471 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: per game four point zero and Kobe's thirty two point 472 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: nine Lebron thirty four point zero. And so this isn't 473 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: a I'm not trying to do like a Kobe versus 474 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: Lebron thing, because I think that's a silly, really unten argument, 475 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: as much as people try to make it one. The 476 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: reason I am mentioning that is because that is as 477 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: clear and as clean and as matter of fact as 478 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: data can get, and people simply will say, I do 479 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: not believe that. That's not how I remember it, which 480 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: is that and the people in the chat can get 481 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: as angry as they want and they say that's longevity, 482 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: even though it's per game that that's a different era, 483 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: even if we just go year per year. In their 484 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: mind's eye, Kobe was a dominant three point assassin, and 485 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: in their mind's eye, Lebron was just putting his shoulder 486 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: down and get into the rim. Despite the fact that 487 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: at the date of Kobe's retirement, he averaged the exact 488 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: same number of three point attempts per game as Lebron 489 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: did and shot him worse. It's just what the facts were. 490 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: So when Lebron is talking about I'm get on social 491 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: media and say Lebron didn't have a bag or this 492 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: or that, it's because so much of that is it's 493 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: not revisionist history. It's just absolute fake news so to speak, 494 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: that people will believe to their dying breath. Like one 495 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: of the number one questions people will ask is, okay, 496 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: so whatever you're gonna say, Lebron's better than Kobe because 497 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: of you know, he played longer or whatever it is. However, 498 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: but one shot life on the line and then you 499 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: tell him, well playoff game winners. Like we just talked 500 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: before Lebron took was eight of twenty, Kobe was four 501 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: of eighteen. People will simply say, I don't believe you 502 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: even though it is what it is. And so now 503 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: doctor Frank says in the chat, but would you say 504 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: Kobe had a deeper bag than Lebron? I think there's 505 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: an argument there. Yes, they're a hunt, ye, because I 506 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: Kobe was a better mid range shot maker than Lebron, 507 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: and I think Kobe was a better ball handler than Lebron. 508 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: That one I agree with here, Yeah, yeah, on the 509 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: back you agree, Yeah, there is. But the that then 510 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: circles back to the more I think interesting question is. 511 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: But then what does it really matter except for again 512 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: to be fair, because I am I gotta tell you, 513 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: among other things, I'm the most I'm the fairest arguer 514 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: in sports media because I will often make an argument 515 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: and while I'm making it, because it's how my brain works, 516 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: think like, oh does this contradict something you were making? 517 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Argument you're making about something else, and how do you 518 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: reconcile those two? So, while how deep your bag is 519 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: might be overrated when it comes to your effectiveness as 520 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: a player, as evidenced by our discussion about why people 521 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: were more maybe attracted to Russell Westbrook's style of play 522 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: than Shay Gilgess Alexander's how deep your bag is certainly 523 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: has to do as an impact on popularity. Grabbing the 524 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: casual fan highlights things like that, that part there is 525 00:36:52,080 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: a real impact, Zi