1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A ten year old little 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: girl goes missing? What happened to brie Asia and what 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: is being done about her case? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at k w q 5 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: CTV six. We should never stop asking ourselves whereas Brisia. 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: In an effort to reignite the search for Brigia Terrell, 7 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: members of the Quad Cities community are offering their own money. 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Ten year old Brigia was last seen in Davenport on 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: July tenth. A reward for information leading to her whereabouts 10 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: was quickly offered by crime Stoppers of the Quad Cities 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: and the FBI, but as the months continued, no new 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: leads were announced and the volunteer search parties began to dwindle. 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: Now and months later, Rusty barr Offen one at in Davenport, 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: announced their own five thousand dollar reward. That Facebook post 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: quickly gaining traction, and not long after others began to 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: offer their money too. This reward now sitting at twenty 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and joins a similar amount law enforcement is 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: already offering. As the days since Breasia was last seen 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: continue to pass, Davenport police say the investigation remains open 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: and ongoing resources are dedicated to the case, and they 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: appreciate the help the community has contributed. Somehow, this little 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: girl has gotten lost in the sauce, a ten year old, 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: defenseless little girl. Again, thank you for being with us. 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: Let me give you the tip line right off the top. 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: It's three zero nine seven to six two ninety five hundred. 26 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Three zero nine seven six two ninety five hundred. Got 27 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: an all star panel with me to break it down 28 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, Jason 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: Oceans attorney joining us with a choice state area, New York, 30 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: New Jersey. He's weighing in. Not only that, Doctor Angela Arnold, 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Karen 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Smith joining me from LA forensics expert. We met on 33 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: a recreation of a crime scene, host of shattered souls 34 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: and joining you right now. Special guest from the Quad 35 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: City Times, Davenport, Iowa reporter Tom Lowe. Tom Lowie, let 36 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: me start at the beginning. Who is this little girl? 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Free Asian? This little girl is a basketball player. She's 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: a typical ten year old. She's really into social social media, 39 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: and likes to make dance videos with their mom. Tom, 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: can I ask you a question, do you have children? 41 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: I have a thirteen year old in my wife. Yes. 42 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: So you know when you say a typical ten year old, 43 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: now I know that you know what we're talking about. 44 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: There's TikTok, there's just so many. And that's the thing 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: right now, making dance videos. And I'm looking at Breasia 46 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: and she's stunning. And when you say she plays basketball, 47 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: you know what goes into that. My daughter is on volleyball, 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: my son plays basketball and soccer. You're in every game. 49 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: You try to practice with them because they're your world. 50 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: What they do I want to do. And I'm just 51 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: thinking of the mom who is trying to find her 52 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: daughter as we speak, and suddenly she's just gone. And 53 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, to doctor Angela Arnold, when I first heard 54 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: about Basia, I imagine going into the twins room and 55 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: they're just gone, and I don't know where they are 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened to them. But that's 57 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: what the mother's going through right now, just totally gone, 58 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: like somebody went and their home. They're on it. Just 59 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: a kid and you cheap and no one can find them, 60 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: and it just goes all on and on. It's you know, 61 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: it's almost as if you enter a One time I 62 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: lost my little girl in a store when I was shopping, 63 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: I almost lost my mind. Everybody in the store started 64 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: helping me, started looking for her, to help me find her, 65 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: and everything flashed through my mind, everything but all of 66 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: the worst tast scenarios flashed through my mind. And all 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: she was doing was playing in between some racks of clothes. Well, 68 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: you know what, John David went missing in a giant 69 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Toys are Us? Or Babies are Us? Babies are Us? 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: Giant warehouse, And all I could think about was Adam Walsh. 71 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: His mom Rose was on one aisle. He goes missing 72 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: just a few aisles away. And then the children, when 73 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: I would take them to an actual mall, I'd be 74 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: a nervous wreck. Finally we started doing exactly what your 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: daughter did. And I would tell them, okay, hide and 76 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: I'll confine you. And they would hide in closes wrecks, 77 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: and I could see their feet and then little clog 78 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: sticking out and I know where, and they'd stay hidden 79 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: while I look for clothes from them, so at least 80 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: I would know and I'm just thinking about this. Mom. 81 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: Let me go back to Tom Lowie, Quad City Times, 82 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 1: Devin port Ahowa. Tom, how do you just lose your daughter? 83 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: What happened in this specific case? The mother's name is 84 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: Aisha Langford. Yeah, and u Breasia went with her brother 85 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: to visit his dad, right, yep, his father's house. Oh 86 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: my goodness is she goes missing from there? Exactly? Ye oh, 87 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: Tom Lowe, Quad City Times. That's a whole other layer 88 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: of me being upset because you know what that means. 89 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, You've raised two incredible shouldren and I give 90 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: all the credit to your wife, no offense, but I 91 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: know her. She is incredible. You're out, you know, in 92 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: one courtroom after the next, and your children have somehow 93 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: managed to turn out incredible. But do you hear what 94 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: he just said, Tom Lowie The Quad City Times. So 95 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Breasia goes with her little brother to visit the brother's dad. 96 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: So that means the mom's letting go of a little 97 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: bit of control. It's like me letting a Lucy go 98 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: to a spend the night party. I hate every second 99 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: of it. And then she goes missing from there. So 100 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: you're constantly berating yourself I shouldn't let her go. He 101 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: wasn't watching her well enough. Why did I do this? 102 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time your daughter went to 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: a spend the night? Oh mine? Cool? Nancy, that you 104 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: know that fear, that anxiety that everyone is described on 105 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: the panel, and as you described, you know, thinking of Breisha, 106 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's so frightening. Everything passes through your mind 107 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's almost like you just want 108 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: to blink, go to sleep, wake up and everything's okay. 109 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: You know what, Jason, You and I've discussed this many 110 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: times on a dark set at Court TV. That's just 111 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: how I felt when my fiancee was murdered just before 112 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: our wedding. I would wake up in the morning and 113 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: just for maybe three or four seconds, I think everything 114 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: was okay. Then I think wait, wait, wait, wait, and 115 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: then it would hit like a ton of bricks. It 116 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: wasn't a badgery, it was real. And that's what brie 117 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: AGA's mom is going through right now. Tipline three or 118 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: nine Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about 119 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: a gorgeous little girl just ten years old who goes 120 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: missing out of Davenport, Iowa. Mom lets her go with 121 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: the little brother to visit the brother's bio dad Okay 122 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: for a visitation. It was scheduled, it was planned, everything 123 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: was fine, and then, for whatever reason, this little girl 124 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air while she's with the brother. Dad. 125 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at k WQC. Michael 126 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: ticup Bamiley says a tip also led authorities to February 127 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: Park Saturday afternoon. Police released a statement Saturday, writing quote, 128 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: DPD and supporting agencies are working expert driven and independent 129 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: search efforts that do not require volunteers, and as independent 130 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: search parties are organized separately, police ask if you know anything, 131 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: call nine one one. Nobody you heard anything, we sure 132 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: could use the assistance. Crime Stoppers of the Quad Cities 133 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: is now offering a thirty five hundred dollars cash reward 134 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: for any information that helps authority locates Horrell. I'm so 135 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: blessed to have such amazing community, especially with everything that's 136 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: one end right now, an entire community working together to 137 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: bring a ten year old girl home. We're going to 138 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: keep our resources out and until we can help help 139 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: the family find their girl. A reward right now in 140 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: the recovery to helping them recovery of this ten year 141 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: old little girl who seemingly vanishes into thin air with me, 142 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: Jason Oshan's doctor, Angela Arnold, Karen Smith out of LA 143 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: and Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa reporter. Back 144 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: to you, Tom Lowe, I want to give the facts 145 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: as we know them right now to Karen Smith, our 146 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: forensic expert and host of Shattered Souls, so she can 147 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: analyze along with me what we believe the cops should 148 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: be doing right now. And I mean that in a 149 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: supportive way, not to say the cops are doing anything wrong, 150 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: But the two of us have handled so many missing 151 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: children cases that sometimes when you have a police force 152 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: that has it dealt with homicides or s for bodies 153 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: or searching for living children, there's a lot of tricks 154 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: to the trade. So, Tom Lowie, we know that she 155 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: was last seen in this location. But was she in 156 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: or outside of a home? Was she still wearing the 157 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: same outfit? Was she had a playground, when she had 158 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: a part, when she had a body of water, she 159 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: on a hiking trail? Was she attended with an adult? 160 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: What do we know about the last time that she 161 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: was seen alive by an independent witness, and we'll start 162 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: our timeline right there, Tom Lowie, we know very little 163 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: in fact, and that's been the problem at the start 164 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: of the case is that she goes over to Henry 165 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Earl Dinkins home. It's a home where he was sharing 166 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: with someone. It's not actually his home. So they go 167 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: to this progress. Whoa hold on, Tom Lowie right there, 168 00:10:54,200 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt you, but the little brother bio dad, 169 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Henry Earl Dakins shares the home. You mean he lives 170 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: with a woman or he has roommates? Who lives in 171 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: that home? Because he would be a cold day in 172 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: Hubl that I sent my child somewhere where I didn't 173 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: know who I was there. Maybe the mom did know? 174 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: So do we know who lived in the home with 175 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: Daks would be the first place I looked as who's 176 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: in the home. That's not clear. That's not clear at 177 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: this time. And you know what, Tim Lowe, I don't 178 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: like that either. You think it's a girlfriend. Okay, that 179 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: statistically is better than having a male roommates as far 180 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: as looking at crimes, Karen Smith, if it's a girlfriend 181 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: live in, a fiance a wife in the home, that 182 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: statistically normalizes the situation as opposed to like three men 183 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: living together. It's a mess, it's confusing. They're there, they're 184 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: not there. It's just a whole different scenario. Not to 185 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: be stereotypical. That's statistically true. Isn't it true to you, 186 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: Karen Smith that women statistically commit a vast, a vast 187 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: percentage lower violet crimes than man. Yes, absolutely, Nancy. And 188 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: my biggest question right now at the start of this 189 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: investigation is who had Karen control of this child? Was 190 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: it the possible woman that was living there? Was it 191 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: Henry Dinkins? Who had Karen control of this child? That 192 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: is where your timeline starts, and when you have a 193 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: missing child, the timeline is crucial. When was the last 194 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: time she was seen? When was the last communication she had? 195 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Who saw her? Where was her brother? Was he there 196 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: as well? These are the questions I start asking. That's 197 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: a really good question to Tom Lowie, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. 198 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: Tom is the little boy, the little brother, Okay, has 199 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: he been accounted for? The little brother is accounted for? 200 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Yes he is. That's a big piece of the puzzle, 201 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: Tom Lollowie, And I'll tell you why. I mean, I'm 202 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: just analyzing this very objectively. I got a big problem, 203 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, with the fact that nobody can tell me 204 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: the last time the little girl was seeing alime talking 205 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: about Breasia Terrell, because the adult male, the stepfather, so 206 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: to speak, should be able to tell me. I let 207 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: her go outside to play in the backyard. I let 208 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: her go jump on the trampoline. I let her and 209 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: her little brother walk to the seven to eleven one 210 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: block away. They were at the grandma's. You should be 211 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: able to tell me. I could tell you, Jason, otions 212 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: exactly the last time I saw the twins and what 213 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: they were wearing, all right, right down to their undies. 214 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: Because I laid him out myself. So what I'm saying is, 215 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: why can't he tell me the last time he saw 216 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: the little girl. Why can't anybody tell me exactly who 217 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: is living in the home, Because in my mind, they're 218 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: all persons of interest. Jason, Nancy, everybody, I mean spoken 219 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: like a well prosecutor, seasoned investigator. That's exactly where we're 220 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: looking at. Where is the custody in control as it 221 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: was turned over with a brede Asia going over with 222 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: her brother, who who is now responsible? Who stepped up 223 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: and said all right, I'm I got it. You know, directing, 224 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: if you're busy, you're occupied for the moment, who's the 225 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: responsible adult or you know who's minding them? You know 226 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: everybody what went on? What was going on there that 227 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: would allow this young girl to go missing. I'm getting 228 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: a little clarification right now. Tom lewis joining me quant 229 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: City Times in Davenport that the dad is now saying 230 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: he put her to bed and that went he went 231 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: to get her up, she was gone. That's pretty sadly 232 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: that's the story. Okay, okay, that is the story. Now 233 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: we know that children have gone missing from their own 234 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: homes before, and that would be just to throw it 235 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: out that everybody knows. Um Elizabeth Smart right, Um Hallyda 236 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: in Florida, Um Isabel in Texas. I mean salisebe Salise. 237 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: There are so many daniel wester Westerdam out in California. 238 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: There there Danielle van Dam missing from their own home. 239 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: So it does happen statistically, not so much so, of course, 240 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: to Jason notions, your defense attorney in court, you can't 241 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: bring in statistics. That is disallowed because you cannot compare 242 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: an individual case to statistics that have been rounded up 243 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: across the world. But you and I know, statistically a 244 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: child does not go missing from their own home. It 245 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: does happen, but not so much. Agree, disagree, No, No, 246 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy. I mean, you know, the 247 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: statistics are quite telling and give guidance to investigators and 248 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: sometimes prejudice and what you're looking at, but they generally 249 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: overall measure out and that becomes the barometer for prosecution 250 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: and good investigation. It's just a barometer. That's a good 251 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: way to put a Jason Oceans. It's a barometer because 252 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: when I hear missing from their own home, I immediately 253 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: get suspicious of everybody in that home because it's child 254 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: to just walk out on her own in the middle 255 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: of the night. Take a listen to our friends at 256 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: k w q CTV six to a TV six update Now. 257 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Davenport Police are giving an update on an eleven year 258 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: old girl who has been missing for five months. Investigators 259 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: say they are still working hard to find Breasia Terrell. 260 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: To date, we've had investigated over one hundred and seventy tips. 261 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: We have conducted hundreds of interviews as well as served 262 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: over sixty search warrants along for this investigation in the 263 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: disappearance of bree Asia. We as investigators, we as officers 264 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: want nothing less than to bring her home and find Breasia. 265 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: So again, any any lead, anything that you may think 266 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: may not be significant, we want to hear from you. 267 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: Please say tips a slowdown and they need the public's help. 268 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: If you have any information about the case, please call 269 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: the tip Black Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're 270 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: talking about a little girl disappearing now from her own home, 271 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: the hung of her. I will charms him as step dad, 272 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: as Henry Earl Dakins. Take a listen to our whis 273 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: at k WQC TV six. This is Michael Tilca. The 274 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: search for missing ten year old bre Asia Terrell continues 275 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: entering day three on Sunday. She was last seeing Friday 276 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: morning in the twenty seven hundred block of East fifty 277 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: third Street, wearing a white T shirt, flip flops and shorts. 278 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: As the search for her were about grows more desperate 279 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: by the moment, her mother says, no tip is too small. 280 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't know anything and if anyone can help me, 281 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: it can be the smallest Dezza you may think. Friday afternoon, 282 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: authorities focused in on the lagoon at Credit Island with 283 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: a boat on the water and investigators nearby. Family gathered 284 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: looking on. Police declined to say what brought them there 285 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: or whether foul play is involved Intorell's case. Again, we're 286 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: working with the family on potential areas that she may 287 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: be or may have been with friends and those kind 288 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: of things. So we're checking different areas and we're going 289 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: to continue again working with the family until we come 290 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: up the little Girl lagoon at Credit Island. They didn't 291 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: just decide to go search a lagoon. Something led the 292 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: police to that lagoon. With me special guest Tom Lowie, 293 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Tell me about the terrain 294 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: surrounding Denkins, Henry ear Old Dnkins, the stepdad home, and 295 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: the proximity from his home to the lagoon at Credit Island. 296 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Imagine Davenport sitting on the Mississippi River, and much of 297 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: Davenport sits up on a hill, so you drive down 298 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: the hill and you're on the Mississippi River. Credit Island 299 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: is a more remote portion of Davenport. It is pretty 300 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: heavily wooded for the most part, and it just it's 301 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: kind of a peninsula that shuts out on the Mississippi 302 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: River and in the in the island. Contained within the 303 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: island is a separate lagoon, and it is fed by 304 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: the Mississippi River. But there's a there's an area that's 305 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: enclosed by land that is water. So you want to 306 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: imagine Davenport is part of a metroplex, so it's it's 307 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: a heavily populated area, but Credit Island is a more 308 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: remote portion of the city near the near the city border, 309 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, near the city line. I'm liking everything you're saying, Tomalodie, 310 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: because you're giving me information that I didn't know what's 311 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: flying through my mind. Tomalodie. I just took the twins 312 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: on an RV trip across the country because of COVID. 313 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: No hotels, no people, no restaurants. And one of the 314 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: things we did was went to the confluence where the Mississi, 315 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: the mighty Mississippi meets the muddy Missouri right there, and 316 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: we had to hike through. I mean, I needed a 317 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: machete to get to where we were going, dragging the 318 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: twins with me. In fact, it was so dense. At 319 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: one point we turned around like this may be reckless 320 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: of me. Dragging them through this, and then they wanted 321 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: to go so badly. We went back and we found it. 322 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: But that's what's going through my mind. And if you 323 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: don't mind, Tom, tell me, how would you get from 324 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: his place, Henry Earl Dacon's place too, the lagoon a 325 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: Credit Isla. Would you have to take a watercraft to 326 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: get there? Or is there a bridge? No? Actually so, 327 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: so the it's it's also a park area, so it's 328 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: it's got heavily wooded and grassed areas, but it's also 329 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: a park area where some of that's cleared out, and 330 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: there's a there's a ringed road that takes you in 331 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: us in a ring around the around Credit Island and 332 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: in fact around the lagoon, so it is easily accessed 333 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: by car by vehicle and then to get into the 334 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: wooded areas or to go down to the lagoon. So 335 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: on one side you have the lagoon and essentially on 336 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: the other side of the road the Mississippi is flowing by. 337 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: So it's um if you can imagine a ring kind 338 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: of situation, and and in that area, in some of 339 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: those areas, like on the outer part of the ring, 340 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: there are wooded heavily wooded areas and then a lot 341 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: of tall grass is what you'll find. So it's a 342 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: partially finished, kind of crudely developed area. It's got some 343 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: shelter areas where there's picnic benches. I'm sure you're familiar 344 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: with those kind of developments, right And you tell me 345 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: a lot of good information right there as well, because 346 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: I now know that Credit Island and this lagoon is 347 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: accessible by vehicle, which makes sense a lot more of 348 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: a possibility of a dumping ground. And I hain't even 349 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: put her name bree Asia in the same sense of 350 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: dumping ground, but I guarantee there's a reason that police 351 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: are searching that lagoon and it's not good. Big thank 352 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: you to our partner making today's program possible. 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A person of interest is someone who has 379 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: not been arrested or formally charged in this case, but 380 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: may have information that could assist with the investigation or 381 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: possess certain characteristics that merit further attention by our investigators. 382 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: Dinkins is currently in custody on other charges related to 383 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: a sex offender registry violation. We are asking the public's 384 00:24:53,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: assistance today for any information regarding Dinkins and associated vehicles 385 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: during the time frame of Thursday, July ninth, from ten 386 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: pm to Friday July tenth at twelve noon. Right now, 387 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I just almost feel physically sick. Back to Tom Lowe 388 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: quat City Times, Davenport, Iowa reporter with me Karen Smith, 389 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, and Jason Oceans. Tom, So, the step 390 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: dad of sorts is a sex offender? What kind of 391 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: sex offender? It is clear that he is someone who 392 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: has had a lot of trouble with the law. It 393 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: is a sex offense against a young person. It was 394 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, so we're talking a couple of decades ago. 395 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: It is clear that at his status as a sex offender. 396 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: I should say, it's not clear if his status as 397 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: a sex offender was why we known. It was known 398 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: by Asia's mother, It was none by Breeasia's mother. Yes, ma'am. 399 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: Okay too, you, Doctor Angela Arnold. As much as I 400 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: want to come down on the mom right now, do 401 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: you find people lull themselves into a false sense of security, Well, 402 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: of course they do. That's why I have I believe 403 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: that that's why the mother let the little girl go 404 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: over there. I would love to know how many times 405 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: she's gone over there before, wouldn't you? Is this just 406 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: a typical behavior that she just goes and spend the 407 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: night with her little brother. You know that's a really 408 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: good that's a really good question. A yeah, yeah, she 409 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: may have discounted it. And another thing, you know this 410 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: Jason oshs Or defense attorney. Guys, we're talking about a 411 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: missing little ten year old girl, Briasia Terrell. The person 412 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: of interest her stepfather, as I am calling him, Henry 413 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: Earl Dinkins. He is the biological father brie Asia's little brother, 414 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: and the mom let her go visit, which she may 415 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: have done in the past. Jason Ocean's defense attorney joining 416 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: me out of New York. Jason, I remember trying to 417 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: get a hold of a defense attorney about emotions calendar 418 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: the following Monday morning, It's about six o'clock on Friday 419 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: in a woman answer the phone. I'm like, look, I 420 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: gotta find him. I gotta find him now because he's 421 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: got to be in court eight am Monday morning. And 422 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: I told the judge to try to reach him. Where 423 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: is he? Uh, guess where he was? He was at 424 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: a strip bar with his clients, his dope clients, the 425 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: Magic City. Yeah, And you know what, you hang around 426 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: with people and suddenly they seem normal to you. There 427 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: was this upstanding lawyer with a bunch of dopers at 428 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: a strip club. Not judging the strip club, a judging 429 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: the dopers. But Jason, when you're around your clients, you 430 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: gotta be careful. You gotta be really careful that their 431 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: norm doesn't become your normal. Well that's so too, Nancy. 432 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, years of defense and having been 433 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: on the prosecution side for a year, Uh, you understand that. 434 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: And you know your guard is always up. There's always 435 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: that spidy sense tekling about something. The interesting thing though, 436 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: about the arrest back and you know, the indictment and 437 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: conviction back in the nineties for the sex offense. Usually, 438 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: recidivism in sex offenders particularly happens at a high rate 439 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: within six months to a year. Um, you know, love 440 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: to see the rest of that criminal arrest record, relic. 441 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: I know a little bit more about it, Jason. I 442 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: know a little bit more about it, and this may, 443 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 1: this may really paint the entire picture with a different stroke. 444 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: I know that Dinkins, a registered sex offender, was convicted 445 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: at age seventeen. He was detained, but he sex abused 446 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: a female victim under age thirteen. Now that's a big difference. 447 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: Seventeen sixteen, seventeen fifteen. Ah, it's still bad. But under thirteen, 448 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: that's twelve year old little girl at best. Guys, take 449 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: a listen to Davenport, Iowa PD press conference. This is 450 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: police Chief Paul Skorsky. We're learning more. We are requesting 451 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: any information the public may have on Dinkins whereabouts in 452 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: the Quad Cities area during that time frame. He is 453 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: also known to have previous connections to the Commanche and 454 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: Clinton area. Vehicles associated with Dinkins include a two thousand 455 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and seven maroon Chevy Impala, two twelve black Chevy Camaro, 456 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighties King's Highway motor home. All of 457 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: these vehicles are currently impounded and in the possession of investigators. 458 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: If the public has any information regarding the whereabouts of 459 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: Dinkins or these vehicles between the time frames that I mentioned, 460 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: So between the hours of ten pm on Thursday July 461 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: ninth and noon Friday July tenth, we asked they call 462 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: nine one immediately to share this information with investigators. Karen 463 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: Smith joining me from LA forensics expert host of Shattered Souls. 464 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, what the police shape just said is scary, man. 465 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Remember the little girl I told 466 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: you that was stolen from her home in California while 467 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: her parents slept by the way. They were right there 468 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: down the hall, Danielle van Dam the stubble on the name. 469 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: The defendant was David Westerfield, who was a neighbor, and 470 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: he took the little girl, molested and killed her in 471 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: his motor hume his RV and having just come off 472 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: an RV trip, I would go walking with the twins 473 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: while John David rode his bike and all these RV parks. 474 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: I did not let them go out by themselves, of course, 475 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: and I got to know the look of a lot 476 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: of RVs. They stick with you when you see them. 477 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: But I want your take as a forensics expert based 478 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: on knowing they're looking at a lagoon that they've impounded 479 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: these three vehicles, and now they're asking the public, have 480 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: you seen these three vehicles and where did you see them? 481 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: Analyze that information for me, Karen Smith, forensically, that tells 482 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: me a lot. Yeah, and tells me a lot too. 483 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: Let's start with the lagoon area. I was going through 484 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: some photos of photojournalists were taking while the investigators were there, 485 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: and one stood out to me. There was a photo 486 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: that showed an investigator bending over what looks like a tripod. Now, 487 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: when you bring out a tripod in your crime scene, 488 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: that to me screams either shoe impressions or tire impressions. 489 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: It didn't look like a vehicle could get down in 490 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: this area, so it's probably shoe impressions in that area. 491 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: There's class characteristics the brands aside identifying characteristics, these are accidental, 492 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: unpredictable results like wear patterns and defects in the shoes. 493 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: So if they're photographing shoe impressions, that's a good possibility 494 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: that could lead them forensically to a shoe or a 495 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: tire track. Now that they have all three of these vehicles, impounded. 496 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: If they do have tire tracks in that area, they 497 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: can go back and do comparisons with the tires, the 498 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: width of the wheelbase, the type of tire, the tread pattern, 499 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: things like that. They're also going to be looking in 500 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: those vehicles for any I mean forensic evidence. Here your 501 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: broad blanket. You've got everything from DNA to hair's fibers, fingerprints, 502 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: dirt that may be caked on the undercarriage and in 503 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: the tires. So they're really going to have to go 504 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: through all three of those vehicles with a fine too comb. 505 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: You know, the fact that they're searching this lagoon. They're 506 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: putting out the description of the vehicles down to the 507 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: collar that make the model and asking where you've seen them. 508 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: The vehicles, including the motor home, are all in impound, 509 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: which tells me they've been processed. Did cops find something 510 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: in those vehicles that make them believe Rasia was killed 511 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: or transported or molested in one of those three vehicles? 512 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: And if cops can find out where the vehicles were spotted, 513 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: then they can find this child dead or alive. Way 514 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: in Karen Smith, that's exactly right. Anything that links Braejia 515 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: Terrell with the last known operator of those vehicles. They're 516 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: going to be looking forward in that car. They're going 517 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: to have to spray. Unfortunately, they're going to have to 518 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: spray Alomino and you and I know what that means. 519 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's all kinds of things that they're going 520 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,239 Speaker 1: to have to do with a fine tooth combography, light sources. 521 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: It may be a very very small piece of evidence, 522 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: a hair, for all we know, that could link bree 523 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: Asia with one of those vehicles. And if they are impounded, 524 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: it either means they have already processed them or they're 525 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: just waiting in line, because it takes time to go 526 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: through each vehicle. It's not like a one and done. 527 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: It does take time to go through a vehicle like that. 528 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: And not only that, it depends on just thinking about 529 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: the Jennifer Dulo's case. Okay, then missing Connecticut mom of 530 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: five her hair found in the back seat of her 531 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: estranged husband's employees vehicle. Why why would her hair be 532 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: in the back seat of an employee's vehicle. So it's 533 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: not just finding bre Asia's hair or some type of 534 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: DNA touch DNA in the vehicle, or she may have 535 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: innocently been to go to the store or to go 536 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: to a restaurant, but where it's located. Is it in 537 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: the trunk? Why would her hair be in the truck? 538 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: Those are what cops are looking for, those three impound 539 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: vehicles to Tabalow. He joining me Quad City Times Davenport, Iowa. 540 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: Tell me about the search and that's being conducted for 541 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: Briasia Terrell. Okay, so there so far the search has 542 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: been very much centered on Credit Island and a place 543 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: called Fedgervarry Park, which is a park area up on 544 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: the hill in Davenport, kind of up from the river. 545 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: And it's not clear why Fedjervarry Park. I've been told 546 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: by the mother that it was a place where he 547 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: might have gone at other times. So they were kind 548 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: of looking at places that he was familiar with. But 549 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: that's the extent of And then just down from Credit Island. 550 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: Credit Island is on what's called River Drive and there 551 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: was an area on River Drive and Concord, which is 552 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: just down from Credit Island. There was some search going 553 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: on there. As far as we know, police have not commented, 554 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: but certainly bree Asia wasn't found there. You find that 555 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: perps hide bodies and evidence or retreat to a place 556 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 1: that is familiar to them. So what you just said 557 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: is incredible, incredibly probative. The tip line for this little 558 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: girl three zero nine seven six two ninety five hundred. 559 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at k w QCTV six. 560 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: The case of a missing Davenport girl is getting new 561 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: exposure tonight thanks to the FBI. Breasia Terrell turns eleventh 562 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: and the FBI Field Office in Omaha has posted her 563 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: photo to its Twitter page and they're asking people for 564 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: any information in the case and reminding the public that 565 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: there is a ten thousand dollars reward. Darrell went missing 566 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: nearly five months ago. We wait and pray as justice unfolds. 567 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend