WEBVTT - #091 Jason Flom with Harold "House" Moore 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.760 This call is from a correction facility, and it's subject 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:05.279 to monitoring and recording. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:19.799 I ere and it hasn't been easy. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.000 One hundred years. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:21.720 That's man. I'm a kid. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.000 I didn't do anything, you know, and uh, you know 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:29.040 that was Ah, that was real painful, man, No, because 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.479 my life was discarded as if you know, like I 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.320 was a piece of trash or something, you know, one 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.400 hundred years and I had dreams and I wanted to 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:37.840 do things. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:39.680 I wouldn't committing crimes. You know. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.120 I was a very good young man. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.080 That is what happens in so many cases. The cops 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.120 have a hunch because they're so smart at the scene, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.880 they have a hunch, and once they act on that hunch, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.320 they sort of developed tunnel vision and they take off 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.960 marching in the wrong direction. And that happens in so 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.600 many of these wrongful convictions. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:00.880 The opening. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.840 To sell door and I'll walk down stave and I 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.480 actually walked downstairs to be outside. It felt very strange 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.280 to be, like I said, to be walking without no 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.640 shackles on my feet. I thought it was a dream. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.319 But then again it wasn't a dream. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:33.280 This is wrongful conviction. Welcome back to wrongful Conviction. Today's 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.920 guest is Harold House and that's particularly exciting to me 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.440 because not only does it mark the first time that 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.000 we've had an actual movie star TV star who also 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.080 was wrongfully convicted on the show, but Harold and I 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.960 have become friends over the last several months, So I'm 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.120 really excited to have you here. So Harold, welcome to 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:53.880 Wrongful Conviction. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.080 Thank you for having me. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.800 And like I always say, I'm happy you're here, but 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:57.639 I'm sorry you're. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.880 Here before we start. Man, it's just a really say 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.480 how much it means to have people like yourself that care, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.080 you know. So I'm really grateful for this opportunity in 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.120 this platform to speak out about my situation. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.280 Yeah, and this is the first time that you're speaking 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.320 out publicly about this. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.799 It should be my absolute first time ever speaking out 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.200 about anything in regard to my case publicly. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.959 I mean, you were more likely to win a damn 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:21.960 Oscar or a Emmy or something than you were to 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.239 end up in prison at the time that this all 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.480 came down, and talk about that, because your acting career 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.079 was taking off before this happened, right, I mean, which 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.760 is why it must have been such a shock to 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.000 so many people, everyone that knows you, and not only that, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.200 but you're a highly educated guy, more so than myself 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.240 by far, and you're a person of faith and everything else. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.120 That doesn't mean that you couldn't have done something wrong, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.000 but it makes it more. It should have been harder 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.079 for a jury to believe. But anyway, we're going to 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.600 get into that surreal. But talk about that for a minute. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.480 So your career was taken off. What were you doing 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.240 professionally at the time? 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.600 Was in a great place career wise? I felt like 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.480 I had, you know, kind of got to the point 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.280 where my career was taken off. You know how they 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.040 say you become an overnight success, But this was the 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.680 culmination of all the hard work. I was promoting my 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.160 first lead debut film and Secrets. At the time, we 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.440 had a multiple city tour. I had just shot the 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:22.040 Golden Globe Ammy nominated show Atlanta, where I was guaranteed 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.959 a season's two series regular. We had just wrapped a 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.920 Tupac movie I had played doctor Dre and that, you know, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.720 a ton of offers were coming in for various projects, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.600 film projects, and it was a good time. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:33.880 Man. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.720 It was a time where all the work was really 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:36.560 starting to pay off. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.840 I mean, you were living a dream that millions of 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.920 everyday Americans have and so many people try. So the facts, 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.760 I mean of having that rug pulled out from under you, 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.880 you had a long way to fall. And well, I'm 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.440 not going to put words out. I'm gonna let you 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:53.760 tell this. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.400 I was accused of rape at the time by my 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.000 fifteen year old step daughter. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.800 Yes, right, what people think when they hear that word, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.360 people are thinking, wait, whoa what? But in this situation, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:09.080 you were set up. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.160 It felt like it set up to some except at 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.640 the time me and my son mother was going through 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.520 kind of a mild separation because of disciplinary issues I 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.800 was having at the time with my stepdaughter. There was 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.200 one incident prior to where I had to kind of 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.640 like discipline her for like cussing at me and being 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.599 you know, very you know, belligerent and stuff like that. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.280 And so she went to her father's house and even 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.880 when the incident happened, I called him and said she 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.920 was cussing, being extremely you know, belligerent, volatile and physical 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.719 and stuff like that. And it was more a comment 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.960 like who you're talking to while you've been disrespectful type thing, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.080 and that's kind of where all of it started to, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.320 where you know, he had at that time went to 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.760 the police and said I was beating her and choking 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.760 her and throwing her and all these you know, crazy accusations, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.320 all this co the physical conduct, me biting her on 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.640 her neck. And it was actually police report where they 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.000 took the young lady away from her father and she 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.200 admitted that, you know, she had been talking back and 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.680 that she had got in trouble and that she had 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.160 caught her father to come and get her because she 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.839 knew she was gonna be on punishment, and that the 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.560 officer in the police report said, I took away from 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.840 her father and told that Lion was against the law 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.600 and I was here to help and only way I 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.039 can do that if you be honest. And she said, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.600 like I said, I knew I was gonna be in trouble. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.080 And she's asked her has she had any other further 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:31.400 issues with More at the time. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.080 So this is a report from the Gwennett County Police 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.039 Department says at the conclusion of the interview, I asked 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.159 the victim multiple times if there were any other problems 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.960 she may be having with More, meaning you Harold house Moore. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.960 She never mentioned more touching her in an appropriate manner, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:48.920 or that he had been biting her on the neck, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.920 So that would directly contradict. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.520 The allegation from the father, who the reason why going 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.400 to the setup he made all these false accusations against me. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.240 I guess the separators. I don't know what ultimate agenda was, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.560 but I guess for us to separate or be back 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:09.039 with my son's mom are just envy. But all the charge, 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.840 the accusations of this physicality, the sexual stuff, all started 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:13.440 from her father. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:18.520 It's a very devastating accusation. And we know that once 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.200 those meals are set in motion, it's sometimes hard to 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.320 put him back on the car of the train because 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:30.640 people get caught up in these lies and then they 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.880 don't know when to stop and it becomes a very 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:34.760 real problem. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.039 I think in my case, where it wasn't just a lie, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.719 it was the fact that as a child, you wouldn't 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.479 want your father to appear as a liar. And maybe 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.640 she feared because he had a criminal history. You know, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.920 he had been in prison multiple times. He was known 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.920 for doing I legal stuff. So I don't know if 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.960 she felt because at the point they told her like, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.479 lying is against the law. So now if you go 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.040 back and tell the truth, your father's a liar. And 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:02.120 at the same time, he was constantly her with financial stuff, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.080 you know, from purses to cars. I mean, I believe 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.960 before it took us three and a half years to 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:07.760 go to trial, I think she had four new vehicles 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.560 before we want to trial. I mean cars that was 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:11.120 newer than mine. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.200 And I was on television and your case is terrifying 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.480 because it's something that could have happened to anybody. And 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.000 that's why I think it's so important that you're here. Well, 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:22.040 let's go back to that. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.920 So my story real quick in the nutshell was that, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.559 you know, we had like an incident, the early incident 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.520 I told you about it, cussing and talking back. That 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.120 was in February. So between February and all the way 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.920 to November, we barely had any inn action. When I 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.560 would come home and see my child, like we would 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.960 speak like hey, we was always cordially respectful, but there 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.960 was kind of like something like hitting tensions. So on Thanksgiving, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.840 her mom was like, hey, you should come here for Thanksgiving, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:49.040 you know, not be alone for Thanksgiving. In California, I 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.280 was like, no, I'm cool. I'm gonna just stay. She's like, look, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.440 come and spend time with your son. You know she's 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.840 doing good. Her attitude change, her demeanors change. You know, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.040 she's helping out with our sons, she's doing better at school, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:00.840 blah blah blah blah. So I'm like, all right, boom, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.040 I get on the plane. Fly in. That day, on 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.400 the night that she made the accusation was the night 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.920 that I took her and her sisters to the movies. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.960 So after returning from the movies, they remained downstairs, the 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.920 two girls next door that were twins that went to 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.480 the movies with her sister while my stepdaughter went with 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.160 her boyfriend. So after returning to the house, I left 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.960 them all downstairs talking, having girl talk or what have you, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.760 and I went upstairs and I actually dozed off in 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.560 my son's room. I played golf that day, so I 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.440 ended up waking up around about two o'clock in the 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.400 morning because I still had my golf clothes on from earlier. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.000 So at that time I went to go use the 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.320 bathroom that my son shared with his sisters. Two in 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.440 the morning, my stepdaughter was on the phone and even 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.000 at that point. Then I said, hey, it's kind of late, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.319 and just left it at that. So I goes downstairs 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.200 to get ready to get in shower in the master bedroom. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.960 Come back upstairs. I'm getting some of my clothes that 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.599 was in my son's room because, like I said, me 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.599 and my mom had separated, and so I was like 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.760 sleep upstairs with my son in his room. The way 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.880 it set up, it's just like this was her room 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.000 bath from her sister. You can touch all everybody's rooms 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.640 right here. You can touch everything. And when I came 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.520 back upstairs, I her her still on the phone. So 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.280 I yelled in the hall with like, hey, it's getting late. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.000 You need to get off the phone. And even in court, 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.960 she said he was calling my name. I just ignored him. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.000 So I walk in the room calling her name. She's 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.520 not answering. So I tapped the bottom of the lake 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.400 and she's fully covered under the cover, like fully covered. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.240 She had the blankets on it, right, So you touch 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.480 her on the top of the blanket like hey, like 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.400 kind of hey, like you went through to make somebody up. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.600 So you literally touched a blanket that was covering her. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.839 It was and it was like near the shen or 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.640 the ankle. It wasn't. She said, I like rubbed on 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.880 the inside of her thigh. That was in a police report, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.000 and then the court she says something totally different. So 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.560 all of it was constantly contradicting each other. So I'm like, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.800 you know, calling her name, and she doesn't me spine, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.160 so tap her. Look, I said, hey, you know, I 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.720 say her name. Take a step toward her head of 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.480 the bed where she was at. She turns and she's 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.760 on the phone, and the phone says love like two hours, fifteen, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.240 twenty minutes. So I'm like, hey, man, it's getting late. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.000 You need to get off the phone. She say, oh, okay, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.839 walk out the room. And then too, when I walked 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.720 out the room, I text you, and I had to 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.480 text to prove she responded, I said your night. I 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.240 was getting late. You need to get off the phone, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.079 and she responded okay. Next then you know, the neighbor 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.080 come knocking on the door. She screams her name. She 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.000 just runs out the house. She never looks at me, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.840 never says nothing. So I goes and tell her mom, like, hey, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.520 you need to go check on her. She just, you know, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.880 ran out the house. She's on the phone with her boyfriend. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.360 I think he dumped her or she might be pregnant. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.120 I told her mor I was like, she had been 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.360 kind of being busy, and you know, we knew that 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.760 she was, you know, maybe sneaking around doing little sneaky stuff. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.400 So my initial thought process was like, she pregnant. And 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.000 so when I want to got her mom, her mom 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.280 goes next door. I'm lay in the bed with my son. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.440 So like fifteen minutes go by and I look outside. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.920 I see like a whole lot of police cars. So 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.360 I'm like, oh, what done happened? So I get dressed, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.840 get my son dressed, I go next door. I'm not 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.200 gonna door. The police come like who are you? I say, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.920 my name's house. I'm coming to check on my family. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.880 They just came over here. I'm trying to see what's 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.480 going on, you know, everything okay at this timet, I 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.080 don't know who was it? The girl's next door. Has 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.160 something happen, something happened anywhere? They was like, oh, we 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.800 need to talk to you. So I was like, talk 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.440 to me for what. I'm trying to find answers, just 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:18.920 like y'all. They was like, well, can we talk to 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.920 you next door, and I was like, don't what can 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.520 you talk to me about? I don't know. I'm trying 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.719 to figure out what's going on. And so they came 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.720 to the house and they was like looking around, and 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.600 he was like, what happened to night to her? And 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.400 I was like, what happened when? What are you talking about? 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:31.920 And I felt like, like, why are you questioning me 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.920 about what happened about tonight? Whatever? And so eventually he 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.760 ended up saying what she said, call the police house 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.800 to try to rape me. So at that point I 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.480 I snapped. I was like, yo, man, go get her, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.560 Go get her mom. I'm not about to do this shit. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.640 Go get all them. Blah blah blah blah. Then my 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.800 son mom comes walking in with the police with her. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.600 I was like, what's going on with me? She was like, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.000 I don't know, I don't know. I like, see, this 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:54.360 is that shit. This is why I don't want to 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.960 come here, Like I don't have time for the drama 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.520 because when I separated, when we started separating February, I 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.560 don't have time to be interacting. I got too much 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.560 going on to be interacting with, you know, your daughter 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.880 and your ex husband and drama. You see what I'm saying. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.120 So my whole reason for even going back to California 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.520 when we separated was to avoid the drama. You see 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.800 what I'm saying. So it's like, how do I get 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.120 back in this shit when I'm trying to avoid drama? 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.120 So anyway, long story short, my initial charge they said 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.480 I tried to rape her because I tapped her on 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.960 her leg, like where you can do a DNA test, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.200 Like where is any physical Then the thing that made 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.240 me frustrated was because you see this girl, you don't 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.160 see nothing physically done to her. You don't see nothing, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.360 no physical mark, Like what in your mind makes you 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:38.760 think that I just try to rape her? You can 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.920 look at her. And then another thing that and i'ma 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.880 just wrap it up, was that she said I tried 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.600 to rape her. I was in charge with rape, so 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.840 it's like, how was I not charged to rape? So 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.240 then in Georgia they have this thing where if you 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.920 touch somebody with attempt to arouse yourself, I'm like, how 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.599 did I get aroused from touching her leg? Where is 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.160 in the where's the indication that you was aroused? And 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.840 they was like, oh, did he say something to no, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.200 I didn't say nothing to you remotely close to anything 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.080 sexual where but in Georgia. That's why I feel like 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.760 it was a setup, because you didn't even charge me 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.079 what she lied with. You put in charge me with 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.640 something you can get me convicted on. There was never 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.560 an investigation for rape. Anytime a minor makes any type 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.280 of outcry some type of rape, even if she recann it, legally, 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.680 you're supposed to report that to the child authorities, which 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.839 never happened. You're supposed to do a DNA test, which 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.520 never happens. So the thing would be for you guys 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.959 to do the test, but they never did the test. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.960 Because at the time she would sleep with her eighteen 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.480 year old boyfriend, which is statutory. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.400 Rape because she was fourteen, she was fifteen. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.439 Her boyfriend was eighteen at the time, who you see 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.600 in this picture. So even if she would have said 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.040 this and took it back, Whosa said, she's not lying 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.880 out of fear, and even during trial that's what I 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.840 was saying. There was discipline and structure set up at 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.800 my house, and you can see from this photo these 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.000 were the things that were allowed at her father house. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:05.400 You know where she's acknowledging doing drugs, she's drinking, she's 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.360 posting stuff about you know all, you know, various things 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:13.559 that indicate the freedoms that she would have in her 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.200 father's house as opposed to mine. I believe it was 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.320 just rewarded behavior for continuing to support the allegations in 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.040 the lives that he made up. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.720 And you can hear these papers shuffling around, but just 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.360 can't see it. But the pictures that he's sharing, you know, 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.160 are pictures of a young girl who is sort of 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.440 almost looks like she's living the life of a hip 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.560 hop star for Instagram or something like that, you know. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.520 So okay, so she was the painting a picture. She 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.520 was able to live a life that she wanted to live, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:48.920 a you know, sort of unstructured, flamboyant life, so to speak, at. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.920 The expense of staying with her father versus a household 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.280 of structure. And I think a lot of time, when 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.800 you deal with the addition of the step father or 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.920 step mother, but primarily the step father, there's this disconnect 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.760 between him and the children. And in our case, that 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.680 wasn't it. Like even when I was working here from 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:09.440 NYC twenty two, my stepdaughters came up here with their mom. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.360 We went on multiple family trips. I was almost blindsided 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.520 because I love this child as my own, and that 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.160 was the hardest part for me to accept to care 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.080 about somebody and you know, look at her as my own, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.200 especially like in my position. I had heard so many 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.600 times where you know, people recommend you don't even date 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.280 a woman with children, And for me, I'm not the 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.800 type of person to allow people to dictate what I 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.040 want to do with my life. I met their mom. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.360 We had great chemistry. I loved her. You know, I 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.120 still love her. We still have a great relationship to 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.000 this day as you see we talk. You know today 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.640 she just called while we were sitting on the area, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.960 So we have a great relationship. My son mom was 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:47.000 actually my co defendant, her sister, who's her best friend. 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.440 She also testified and said on the record in my transcript, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.080 my sister's telling a lie. No one believes her. Her 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.560 stories kept changing, and it's in the transcripts. I understood 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.800 very little about the law prior to They never read 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.560 my Miranda rights. I was falseter arrested at my house 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.480 without probable calls the night that she lied. You know, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.120 and they say, oh, we wanted to take it down 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.560 and speak to the investigators. And I was like, well 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.520 i'll drive. Oh no, we'll drive you and you put 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.280 me in handcuffs. I said, I said, Monday arrest. I 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.520 ain't talked to my attorney, and they said, oh, no, no, 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.000 you're not an arrest. But she had already arrested me, 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.920 So that is an arrest without probable calls. So then 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.880 you violated my Fourth Amendment because you arrest me in 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.480 my house without probable cause or warrant. And then I 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.960 went down to the police station and it was crazy 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.400 because my manager told me, he's like, house, don't say nothing. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.520 I was like, his name Anthony. I was like Antheony. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.120 I didn't do nothing. Why would I, you know, I 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.760 said people, And I was like, black people shouldn't be 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.440 afraid of the law. You know, I'm paying taxes, a 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.600 shitload of taxes at this time. So I felt like, look, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.720 these people are hired for public safety reassurance. And I 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.960 was confident, like and even speaking to the detective. And 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.160 so that night my manager said, your house, don't speak 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.480 to nobody, don't ever say nothing. And you hear it 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:01.840 all the time. I'll ever talk to the police. But 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.040 I'm like, I'm not afraid of police. I'm not afraid 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.280 of the circumstance, ar the situation. So I spoke and 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.639 I got arrested that night. Damn. So I'll say that 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.680 right now in your podet. I don't care how innocent 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.480 you are. And even after speaking to lawyers, more innocent 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.560 people go to prison because of speaking. Whatever you can 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.760 they will use against your court. You can say I 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.680 love God and they gonna say you obsessed with God 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.400 and God made you do some crazy stuff. Prosecutor job 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:27.200 is to prosecute. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.320 Yep, God made you go push that old lady. Also 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.119 cliff in a wheelchair and throwing crutches down after you 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.080 know what I mean. So yeah, and that's something I 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.040 talk about in the podcast a lot is that if 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.320 you do get picked up under these type of circumstances, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.480 don't say nothing. They say your name, and I want 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:40.919 a lawyer. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:41.600 I want a lawyer. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.240 So you end up going to trial. 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.080 Here you go see one of my documents and I'll 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.120 even let you just read the first sentence. And that's 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.119 the email that my trial attorney sent to my family 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.240 immediately following my trial. And if you could just read 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.040 the first sentence out loud from the email. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.439 Okay, so this is privilege and confidentially from your attorney. Know, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.600 leave his name out of it unless you tell me differently. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.400