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Speaker 1: You've done it all in football. Man, You've coached high

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Speaker 1: Does it shock you, though, even within how much of

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Speaker 3: It's crazy, you know. I tell everybody, like, I have

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Speaker 3: whenever I look at time, I've only been in college

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Speaker 4: Whenever Matt Roll.

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Speaker 3: Hired me at Baylor December twelfth, twenty sixteen, it was

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Speaker 4: That was it.

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Speaker 3: We had one commit and we're you know, got a

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Speaker 4: And I don't think it's stopping. I think it's going

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Speaker 1: I think What strikes me the most is if you

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Speaker 1: If you think about ten years ago, if you could

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Speaker 2: You would have thought, did love it? Getting an FL team?

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Speaker 1: Basically, that's what you would have thought, was, there's no

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Speaker 2: The norm we just kind of speak freely about it.

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Speaker 2: And it happened. It's not a span of twenty years

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Speaker 4: In a blink of an eye, you know, it changed.

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Speaker 3: It is funny, you never, you know, I go back

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Speaker 3: And now you turn around and it's almost like you

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Speaker 1: You got an enviable job, man. You are one of

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Speaker 1: Now? Do you even possess the ability to cliff notes

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Speaker 1: It's probably likely many people watching this or listening to

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Speaker 3: And if you aren't ready to coach against Lee Wiggington

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Georgia. High school football pretty big

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what strikes me about this place.

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Speaker 1: But you got to come here, and you got to

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Speaker 4: Well, I think this new facility helps you know.

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Speaker 1: In college football, you don't really see new powerhouses emerge.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way it's been for a long time.

442
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Speaker 1: And every now and then, you know, a program kind

443
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Speaker 1: of becomes a C tier program that used to not exist.

444
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Speaker 1: Very few climb from outside of the A tier into

445
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Speaker 1: the A tier and sustain it. There may be a blip,

446
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Speaker 1: but they don't sustain it. What you're talking about here

447
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 1: is you're talking about elevating tears sustainably, not just a

448
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Speaker 1: blip on the radar screen. And I don't think people

449
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Speaker 1: fully appreciate how difficult that's been to do.

450
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Speaker 2: In the past.

451
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Speaker 1: I know you kind of have a better sense of it,

452
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Speaker 1: but how do you make that sustainable instead of just well,

453
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Speaker 1: we're going chips all in. But if it doesn't work

454
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Speaker 1: out in twenty twenty five, that's the edge of the cliff.

455
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Speaker 2: Who knows what comes after that.

456
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Speaker 3: I think it's really important that we stick with also

457
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Speaker 3: recruiting the high school athlete. You know, I always tell

458
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Speaker 3: everybody my babies are starting to grow up, you know. Now,

459
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Speaker 3: you know, that first class was really short, and I've.

460
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Speaker 4: Had some guys have success.

461
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Speaker 3: But now you've got a group of that first class

462
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Speaker 3: that they're going into year four, so they're older. But

463
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Speaker 3: the second class and the third class that we had

464
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Speaker 3: a lot of success with and they were higher recruits,

465
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Speaker 3: now they are in year three and year two and

466
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Speaker 3: they've gone from you know, being two hundred and eighty

467
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Speaker 3: pounds to three tuns. They've been in the weight room

468
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Speaker 3: now for three years, and so I think that's a

469
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Speaker 3: key to this. I think we have some great transfers

470
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Speaker 3: that can really help us go to the next level.

471
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Speaker 3: But I also think we've been able to recruit the

472
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Speaker 3: high school athlete and keep pushing this program. So I

473
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Speaker 3: think that's critical too. I mean, we need some of

474
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Speaker 3: our Red Shirt sophomores to really step up and play

475
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Speaker 3: some key roles that you know came in here from

476
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Speaker 3: day one.

477
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Speaker 4: That we signed is out of high school and that

478
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Speaker 4: are Red Raiders.

479
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Speaker 3: I think that's the thing that you start talking about

480
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 3: sustainability is having success, but then also your young guys

481
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Speaker 3: having success to help sustain it past twenty twenty five.

482
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Speaker 1: You guys are trying to build a much bigger profile

483
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Speaker 1: for this program. We've got places like Ohio State where

484
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: they're known coast to coast. Ryan they doesn't have to

485
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: spend much time marketing his program Texas Tech. You are

486
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Speaker 1: marketing this program actively, which means I would imagine you

487
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Speaker 1: have a little more awareness of what outside are saying

488
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Speaker 1: about you. Then maybe a guy at an Alabama or

489
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Speaker 1: an Ohio State.

490
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Speaker 2: Needs to have.

491
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Speaker 1: However, you also know that you know the inside of

492
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Speaker 1: this building far more than any outsider is ever going

493
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Speaker 1: to know it. How do you how do you balance

494
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Speaker 1: that being awareness of the public conscience and making sure

495
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Speaker 1: they're thinking the right things about us versus outside opinion.

496
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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. Block out all the noise. Let's focus on

497
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Speaker 2: the here and now.

498
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you stay in here now in this room. You know,

499
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Speaker 4: you stay in here and now with the team.

500
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Speaker 3: You stay you know, one of what we talk about

501
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Speaker 3: all the time, going one and oh and being in

502
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Speaker 3: the moment. You know, I think true I heard this

503
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Speaker 3: from Phil Snow's one of my mentors, you know, Jeff

504
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: Traylor says it at UTSA, you know, but true mental

505
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Speaker 3: toughness as being where your feet are right there in

506
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Speaker 3: that moment. So you've got to in this room with

507
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Speaker 3: the team. But then outside of this room, you do

508
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 3: have to push this program. You've got to push the

509
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: double team. You've got to make it to where people

510
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Speaker 3: are seeing that we can be nationally recognized.

511
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Speaker 4: I mean always helps that.

512
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Speaker 3: You know, we're playing in the sweet sixteen and everybody

513
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: sees the double team basketball, you know, but we've got

514
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: to do the same thing in football, and we've got

515
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Speaker 3: to push that. And so it's great with our creative team.

516
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 3: It's great you being here right now and people are

517
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: going to get to see that.

518
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Speaker 4: But we have to think beyond just the moment right now.

519
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: And we've got to push what's going to go happen

520
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: in the fall and make us relevant.

521
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Speaker 1: You were talking about coaching for an extended period of time,

522
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Speaker 1: thirty one man now plus years coaching, and you mentioned

523
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Speaker 1: some of the formative moments. You mentioned some good people,

524
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Speaker 1: and you mentioned some high spots. What are some of

525
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Speaker 1: the low spots? Because oftentimes, if you're public speaking, or

526
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Speaker 1: if you're talking to a player who's nineteen years old

527
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Speaker 1: going through his first really really tough moment of his

528
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Speaker 1: young career, you've probably got ten or fifteen things you

529
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Speaker 1: can draw on as a corollary in your past. What

530
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Speaker 1: are some of the go tos you find yourself having

531
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Speaker 1: to tell the story of over and over again.

532
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Speaker 2: That sucked at the time probably made you a lot

533
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Speaker 2: better though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'd go back to the jobs that

535
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Speaker 3: I didn't get.

536
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Speaker 4: I always tell her about. I'm kind of a little

537
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Speaker 4: bit unique.

538
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Speaker 3: I've only been four places you know, and wherever I've been,

539
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Speaker 3: I thought, that's the greatest place in the world, you know,

540
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Speaker 3: and and so and I think, I mean, I want

541
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Speaker 3: this to be it.

542
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Speaker 4: I really do.

543
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Speaker 3: I want this to be the last place I ever coach,

544
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Speaker 3: and and I spend.

545
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Speaker 4: The rest of my life on the sidelines here at

546
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Speaker 4: Texas Tech.

547
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Speaker 3: But I think I draw back to some jobs that

548
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Speaker 3: I thought I really had that I didn't get. So

549
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: it's you know, low moments in life and then always

550
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Speaker 3: different parts of games that you know, go back to

551
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, we were the number one ranked

552
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Speaker 3: team in the state, the number three ranked team in

553
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Speaker 3: the nation, and you know, we get beat by Abilene

554
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: and and I go back to, like, what did I

555
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: not do to prepare that team? You know, and constantly

556
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: remind myself of that. This year was really tough because

557
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: I felt like there was there was moments that we

558
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: did not take advantage of. We didn't take advantage of

559
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Speaker 3: the Colorado game and we had you know, the Fox

560
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: was here with.

561
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Speaker 4: The big newon kickoff. We didn't take advantage of that

562
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Speaker 4: because the crowd was electric, you know.

563
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Speaker 3: We didn't take advantage of the TCU game to where

564
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Speaker 3: we're centering the ball to kick the field goal, and

565
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Speaker 3: you know we win either one of those games, we're

566
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Speaker 3: in the Big Tour Championship.

567
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Speaker 4: And so looking.

568
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Speaker 3: Back and going back of the past, way back in

569
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: the past of things you got to drawn but also

570
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 3: just drawn on you know what happened this last year

571
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Speaker 3: and how do we build off of it?

572
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Speaker 1: It is it kind of wild to you that the

573
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Speaker 1: public will look at you and if you go seven

574
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: and five, they say that was a seven and five team,

575
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: ten to two, that was a ten and two team. Yes,

576
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: that's technically true, like ultimately you're going to get graded

577
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: based off your record. You're gonna get placed in a

578
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: championship game or the playoff based on your record largely,

579
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: but if you're analyzing your operation, you're equality controlling yourself.

580
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: In other words, you look and you say, well, our

581
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: performance in the TCU game was an l what kept

582
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Speaker 1: it from being a is this one thing right? And

583
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: then telling your staff, telling your players, not that they

584
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: need to hear it, but guys, it's not whether you're

585
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: seven and five or eight and four, nine and three,

586
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: it's it's every single play has a history in a

587
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: life of its own. And then you start from scratch.

588
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: You don't carry it over. You start zero and zero

589
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: again this year. And so like all the reps in

590
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: the weight room and all the film study, and if

591
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: you're staying after an hour a couple of times a week,

592
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: it's just these little thin layers that may add up

593
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: to the difference in that bounce or the difference in

594
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: that muffed snap going your way, And all of a sudden,

595
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: it's twenty three to twenty Texas Tech And you get

596
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: to look at guys in the locker room afterwards and say, hey,

597
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: I know, it was really boring when I talked about

598
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: process and when I talked about one and oh one

599
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Speaker 1: and oh one to o, But there it is. How

600
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: rewarding is that when it finally comes around your way.

601
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Speaker 3: It's huge and you get to use it all the time,

602
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: you know, And like, today's gonna be a red zone day,

603
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: and we're gonna before the team meeting, we're gonna talk about,

604
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: you know, our plan to win and you know, and

605
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: what does that look like, you know, on.

606
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: Offense scoring touchdowns in the red zone.

607
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: So today you're gonna have moments that you do that

608
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: on defense turnovers or.

609
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: Making them kick field goals, in the red zone.

610
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: And so you really talk through those things and then

611
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: you bring them to life, and then you recognize them.

612
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: You know, we'll turn around, we'll talk about them today,

613
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: and then on Wednesday in the team meeting, there's gonna

614
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: be clips of practice where I can say, here's what

615
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: we're talking about right now. You know, when you try

616
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: to use them, it's really rewarding. Man, whenever the light

617
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: comes on for a player or you have those moments

618
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: that you work that and they went out and executed it.

619
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Speaker 4: Man, that's some of the best parts of coaching, whenever

620
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: you see that come on with a player.

621
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Speaker 1: When you're in a situation where you feel like you

622
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: snatched victory out of the jaws of defeat, you don't

623
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: feel like you played your best game. You never apologize

624
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: for winning a football game because it's really hard and

625
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose some you think you should have won.

626
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: So when you win some that maybe you should have lost,

627
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: it's not that you're apologetic. But have you ever on

628
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: yourself in all these years in those situations where.

629
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Speaker 2: We kind of just stole a win.

630
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Speaker 1: We're gonna celebrate it, but I really hope I can

631
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: make sure guys understand the effort we gave today more

632
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: times than not yields a loss.

633
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: So congrats, here's your balloon.

634
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: But we've still got to correct stuff and you're not

635
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: suffering the pain of defeat.

636
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're disciplined enough to just understand. Anyway.

637
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we talk about this a lot. Two things.

638
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 3: One, there's no magic fairy dust that you sprinkle on

639
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: a win or a loss. That that's why it happened.

640
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: He goes back to the numbers, you know in the game.

641
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: That is our plan to win. I learned that from

642
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: Matt Ruhle. We went one and eleven our first year

643
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: at Baylor, and every single week those guys came back

644
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: to practice and they practiced really hard. I think because

645
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: of that Sunday meeting of this is why we won,

646
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: this is why we lost. There are some of those

647
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: moments that you know, we probably should have lost, but

648
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: this is why we won.

649
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: That's usually in that plan to win. Of ay, this

650
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: moment right here, because we did this, we won.

651
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: And then you know, I think one thing that we

652
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: also talk about is and we got we have a.

653
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: Group that comes out.

654
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: They came out right before we went into spring football

655
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: called the program and it's all ex military and their

656
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: number one is accomplished submission, you know. And I'll tell you.

657
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: We came in to that Abilene Christian game. We we

658
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: won in overtime, and you know, you're in a moment

659
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: of like how are we playing like this? Or we're

660
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: like what Like I'm sitting on the sideline going this

661
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: could be you know, really bad. And I came in

662
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: and it was really cool because one of the guys,

663
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: one of the guys that does the program, was in

664
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: the locker room and everybody's heads down.

665
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: And I learned a long.

666
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: Time ago, honor the victory, no matter how you got it.

667
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: Honor the victory. Don't don't ever apologize for winning right,

668
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: and don't be down about it. Fix it the next day.

669
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: But I did come in and I say, guys, what

670
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: does he say all the time? What is his number one?

671
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: Deal? Now say accomplished submission? And I went nuts. I said,

672
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: we did.

673
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: We'll fix everything that we didn't get right, but we

674
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: accomplish the mission.

675
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: And is that's winning this football game. And so I

676
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: think guys, understanding that.

677
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, really helps those moments of whenever you do

678
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: kind of still a game in certain areas.

679
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: I think another thing I've always been curious about from

680
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: a head coach's perspective is there are a lot of

681
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: folks watching this. We got a huge college age crowd

682
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: that watches this, so they're very familiar with the idea

683
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: or the feeling. They're very familiar with the feeling of

684
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: I've got an exam Thursday. It's Wednesday night, I'm not prepared,

685
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: and you just hope for the best.

686
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: The next day.

687
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's multiple choice, you know, maybe you thread the

688
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: needle and just guest see on everything and you get

689
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: an eighty. But they know they're not prepared. Most people

690
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: have entered some situation that they're not prepared for, and

691
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: it's on them. They should have been prepared. Go back

692
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: through all those years of coaching. Again, I don't know

693
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: how rare or how frequent this is, but when you

694
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: get Wednesday and of a game week, we're largely the

695
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Hayes in the barn. You're not doing anything on Friday

696
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: at that point, you're just walking through stuff.

697
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: Do you ever have moments where you kind of.

698
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I don't I don't love the field. Now,

699
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: you're not gonna telegraph that to the world. You may

700
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: not even telegraph it to your team, but you and

701
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: your staff said, I don't know, I don't know.

702
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: Most of the time, you got the bucket full, You

703
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: did your job.

704
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: What are those times like if they pop up where

705
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: you're later in the week and you wonder it was

706
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: our preparation good enough?

707
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: Like are we ratcheted up where we need to be?

708
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: You know? I think is the as a hey coach,

709
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: you can't show that you might can talk with your staff,

710
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: but you can't show that you're not confident.

711
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: You know that that you're not prepared.

712
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: I do think I and again I want to say

713
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: these guys' names, the two my two mentors the most,

714
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: but I remember, uh, there was a point you said it.

715
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: And I used to think that way and sometimes I

716
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: still do.

717
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: Like the Hayes in the Barn, Matt Role used to

718
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: always say, we coached to the lad like we're always adjusting.

719
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: So one of the things that we talk about around

720
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: here is, Hey, you have this great game plan, or

721
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: maybe it's not a great game plan. You get in

722
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: the game and it's totally nothing like you thought the

723
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: game was gonna be. Now you have to find a

724
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: way to win that game. You know, you've got to

725
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: find a way to win that game. Give you example,

726
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: a couple years ago, we're playing Kansas. You know, we

727
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: felt like we had a great offensive plan and we

728
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: knew that they were going to score some points. They

729
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: were really good on the offense side the ball. We're

730
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: playing in Kansas. All of a sudden, we come out

731
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: and we play lights out on defense, and I'm on

732
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: the headset with Kittley going, hey, give the ball to

733
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: Taje Brooks, Like, let's we're gonna win this game defensively,

734
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: Let's just make it ugly. This is where we're at.

735
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: Our game plan that we thought was gonna be like this,

736
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: it's totally different type game. Every game is different. You've

737
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: got to adjust throughout the game and find a way

738
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: to win that game, you know.

739
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: And that's something we caught talk about.

740
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: It's one of the last things I tell the coaching

741
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: staff on Saturday. We have a Saturday staff meeting before

742
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: you know, probably an hour and a half before.

743
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 4: The game, and the last thing I say.

744
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: Is, hey, today might be a day to where you

745
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: know everything's not going right, it doesn't matter.

746
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: Adjust and find a way to win this game.

747
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: So never say Hayes in the barn again, never say

748
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: striking that from coach coach all the way through.

749
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: The game, and you know, and and whenever it goes

750
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: zero zero zero on the clock, you know, you got

751
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: to coach all the way through that.

752
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Do you find when you're interviewing guys for jobs? How

753
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: do you, from your chair make yourself confident that a

754
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: guy possesses that ability? If I'm interviewing for your wide

755
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: receiver coaches position, what do you have to put me

756
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: through before you are confident he's a fit for this staff.

757
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: He understands the system like all the xes and those

758
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: knowledges there, but the application, the ability to communicate it

759
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: to the players most importantly, But then the ability to

760
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: adjust on the fly.

761
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: How do you find out I have that?

762
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: Uh? You know, you go through calling everybody you know.

763
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: You know, I do know a lot of college coaches

764
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: because they came through Cedar Hill recruiting my guys, So

765
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, trying to call and check all the boxes

766
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: of like, hey, what's this guy like on game day?

767
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: How does he adjust? What's he like on the practice field?

768
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 4: Does he know his stuff?

769
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: But you go through all that and you have that

770
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: the things that I want to know about guys. You know,

771
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: are they gonna put the players first? Like the most

772
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: important thing that we have in this building are our players.

773
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: If you can't connect and build a relationship with a player,

774
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: I don't want you in this building. I don't care

775
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: how much football, you know. I want to know, you know,

776
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: are they a tough guy? You know? Are they have

777
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: they been like you asked me, have they been through

778
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: some stuff.

779
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: Before that, you know, adversity? How they handle it? You know?

780
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: And so I want to ask questions like that in

781
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: the interview process, but also some people that know them,

782
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: you know.

783
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: And then can they adjust to me? Can they adjust

784
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 4: to the changes? I mean we you know, we talk

785
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: about all these new players.

786
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: We have two new coordinators, We have a new offense coordinator,

787
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: a defense coordinator, and my offensive staff really didn't change.

788
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: So can they adjust to Mac? They had Zach? Can

789
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: they adjust to Mac and buy into what he's doing?

790
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: And so you got to feel good about I feel

791
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: good about my guys?

792
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: Can do that?

793
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: We were talking about tech on the show the other night,

794
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: and I knew the past defense wasn't exactly where you

795
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be last year, didn't realize it was one

796
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty third in the country until they put

797
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: the sheet of paper in front of me. So I

798
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: know you may change his defensive side. You just talked

799
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: about it, you guys also infused from the portal?

800
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: Was it five DB's did you have?

801
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: It is a team game, and there's no shortcut to

802
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: building chemistry and togetherness and hopefully that unit plays as

803
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: a unit come fall. But realistically, like, how much better

804
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: can you be over the course of one year when

805
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: you changed virtually everything about the position group that is

806
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: defensive bocks.

807
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: We got to be We've got a chance to be

808
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: really good.

809
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: But it you know, whenever we had our first staff meeting,

810
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: I told the guys, because that's another thing.

811
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: Whenever you're in here as.

812
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: A football coach, it's a bad word, but I assume

813
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: you know your stuff.

814
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: Like I know I vetted you that you know x's

815
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: and o's, and so I expected that to happen.

816
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: I told the staff our number one thing from the

817
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: time we start this to the time we go through

818
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: camp to the time we play our very first game

819
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: is how close.

820
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 4: Can we get this team?

821
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: How how much chemistry can we build as a group

822
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: whenever you have this many new guys coming in, and

823
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 3: it's not like a lot of teams have new guys

824
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: coming in, but new guys.

825
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: That you're expecting to start.

826
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: You know, you're expecting three to four starters to come

827
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: out of that group that we brought in in the secondary.

828
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: You're expecting, you know, three starters to come out in

829
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: the defensive line group, three starters at least to come

830
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 3: out in the O line group. And so our job

831
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: right now is, you know, how do we get these

832
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: guys as close as we can? And so that's really

833
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: important for us to be able to be that much better.

834
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 4: I do think the talent levels.

835
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny we took five dbs. I was

836
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: expecting to take three. There were two young guys that

837
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: were just too good to pass up, that have multiple years,

838
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, can.

839
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: We get this guy next year?

840
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: You know, is a high school kid going to be

841
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: as good as this guy to where we had multiple years?

842
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: And so it was like, man, we can't say no.

843
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: So there was some of that happened in December that

844
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: we're expecting to maybe take ten or twelve, and all

845
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: of a sudden, we're taking seventeen because you know, we

846
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: were hitting home runs, and we're getting some guys that

847
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: were like that have multiple years.

848
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: They want to come. Let's roll with it.

849
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: In the perfect world, you bring me in, But then

850
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: I start from square one and I know everything I'm

851
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: going to get here is earned, and there's not a

852
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: single rep that I'm going to get that I don't

853
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: earn as a one, especially in a perfect world. That's

854
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: just the way it is in the real college football world.

855
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: Now you just said it. We're bringing in multiple dbs

856
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: with the plan on several of them starting.

857
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: It's just gotta work for us.

858
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: So if I'm one of those dbs, hopefully my head's

859
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: screwed on right and all of what I'm about to

860
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: say is irrelevant. But there's also a world where I

861
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: come in and I just got X amount of dollars

862
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: and I saw what they were last year, and I

863
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: know why they prioritized me. So I know one of

864
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: these starting jobs is mine unless I get hurt. If

865
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm not careful, that can mess with the way I

866
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: go about my business, and that can mess with the

867
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: way I'm wired mentally. How much of a balance is

868
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: it of trying to make sure, I understand I'm going

869
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: to earn everything I get versus is also we got

870
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: to have you start though.

871
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: All right, man, that's a great question. I think these guys,

872
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: all of them, they expect if you ask them, they

873
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: expect to play on Sunday. Well, they better be ready

874
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: to compete, like they bet. They're like the NFL. They're

875
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: bringing guys in every single day to take your job,

876
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: and they're hoping they can pay guys less to take

877
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: your job.

878
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: You know, And so you talk about that.

879
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: The one thing this is kind of a little bit

880
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: different from the question, but I think it's relevant. The

881
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: one thing that we purposely do is we keep our

882
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: position coaches out of the NIL world and.

883
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: What we're going to revenue share and everything like that.

884
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: The one thing that I want those guys to understand

885
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: is nobody's going to step on.

886
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: The field by what we pay them.

887
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: And I don't want you to feel any pressure that

888
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 3: you are going to put the scout on the field

889
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: if he hadn't earned the right to be on the field.

890
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 4: We're putting the best player on the field. So that's

891
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: guy that beats this guy out, then so be it.

892
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: And then we talk all the time, do not allow

893
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: a player to take a non competitive rep, And if

894
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: he does, get him off the field, I don't care

895
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: who it is.

896
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 4: Get him off the field, put somebody else in.

897
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: So I think all of that stuff kind of blends

898
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: in with these guys know they.

899
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 4: Have to compete to be on the football field. The

900
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: one thing too, that.

901
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: We're doing right now is, you know, there's a lot

902
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: of ways to create depth.

903
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: You know, there's.

904
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: Times Howard Sampson's gonna take the reps at left tackle,

905
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: but there's gonna be some guys that are gonna take

906
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: the reps at left tackle, and maybe they're taking the

907
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: reps at right tackle.

908
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: You know, we've got a really great.

909
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: Competition at center, and our center's returning, our right guard's returning,

910
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: but he also could play center. So we change those

911
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: guys out, you know, throughout practice of you know, this

912
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: guy's taking reps at center, this guy's taking reps.

913
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 4: At right guard.

914
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: How do we get to best vibe? But also how

915
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: do we create depth? So I think some of that

916
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 3: creates some competition and guys are unsure. Man, I better

917
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: be ready to practice because you know they know what

918
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: they're gonna do in practice.

919
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 4: But it's also like change these guys out. Let's see

920
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: how they react.

921
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: You just talked about your philosophy with keeping your position

922
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: coaches out of the negotiating room.

923
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: Basically is what it is.

924
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: I've always thought to myself, if I'm running a program

925
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: as the head coach, I may want to remove myself

926
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: from that. And many guys have many different philosophies on that.

927
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I was with Kirby Smart the other day. He's got

928
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: a radically different philosophy on that than maybe someone else

929
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: who says, I want nothing to do with the negotiating

930
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: That's why a general manager's here, That's why a collective

931
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: is here. I almost want to absolve myself of that

932
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: so I have a purely filtered look at my players.

933
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: I have a purely filtered relationship with my players, and

934
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: to some extent, I've got to have knowledge of this

935
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: or that. But as much as I can, I want

936
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: there to be a wall built between me and the

937
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: so that the relationship between coach and player isn't corrupted

938
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: by you know, whatever the new layers of college football

939
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: may be.

940
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on that spectrum?

941
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: I stand on the purely putting that wall up. You said,

942
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: it just using the word purely. I want everything built

943
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: on relationships. Everything I do is relationship base. I think

944
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: that's like I've gotten where I am because of the

945
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: way I can build relationships with players and get them

946
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: to do things that maybe they didn't think they could do,

947
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: get them to play harder than they've ever played. And

948
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: so I've got a great general manager, James Blanchard, I mean,

949
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: who's an absolute rock star, who's one of the best

950
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: in the country. My chief of staff antony O Huffman,

951
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: my director of football operations, Quinton Jordan, and then Cody Campbell.

952
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: I see the spreadsheet, but I'm not in the room

953
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: talking about the spreadsheet.

954
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm not in there with them because if I go

955
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: in there, it's usually not gone in the right way.

956
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: From the standpoint of I think these guys do a

957
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 3: great job of valuing these players and take it, take

958
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: the emotion out.

959
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: I'm more emotion.

960
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 3: Driven, very emotional driven, and so i want to keep

961
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: that wall up to where my emotions don't bleed over

962
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: into that room.

963
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: And so I've really stayed out of it.

964
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: Other than you know, I know what the spreadsheet looks

965
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: like and what these guys are doing but I have

966
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: not been in the room to where we've negotiated those numbers,

967
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: and I don't want to be.

968
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: I was not a couple of months ago looking at

969
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: my phone every hour seeing James Blanchard's name mentioned with

970
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, and then it looks like it's a done deal.

971
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: But he's in the building right now, so it wasn't

972
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: a done deal.

973
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: What was that process?

974
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Like, it's got to be nice for him to be

975
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: in demand, but at the same time, you guys just

976
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: put together an insane portal hal It sounds like he

977
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be here to at least see that through.

978
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: What was that whole process? Like from the inside, it

979
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: was tough, but I mean we're family.

980
00:43:59,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: He was.

981
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: It was my wife and James Blancherd on the plane

982
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: when we flew out here, and you know, we were

983
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: extremely close. And I told him, I said, if you

984
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: make this move, I realize our relationship will never change.

985
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: You know, I understand why you would make it, and

986
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: I get it.

987
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: But on the other end, what I was telling him

988
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: is like, don't walk away from something that you really

989
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: helped create. Whenever it's this roster, I mean, if it's

990
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 3: a year from now and you feel like you've.

991
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: Got to do it. I get it, but man, you

992
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: got to see this through. I thought that was really big.

993
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 4: It helped that his oldest daughter loves Lubbock, Texas.

994
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: I think she cried for a day about moving, so

995
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: that helped a lot. And then the one thing, if

996
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: you don't really understand the way we're trying to do things,

997
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: you may not.

998
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: Give him the leeway that he's used to.

999
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: And you can say you will, but that was one

1000
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: thing I said, James, and that's how I got him here.

1001
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: How many times have you and I ever disagreed.

1002
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: And we've butted heads about stuff but found ways to come,

1003
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: you know, to a mutual decision, I said, But how

1004
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: many times have I said no to you whenever we're

1005
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: talking about players? And you really truly building this roster?

1006
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: I said, you don't know if you're.

1007
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 4: Going to have that and are you willing to give

1008
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 4: that up?

1009
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: As you've built this roster that we're fixed to go

1010
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: play with, you know?

1011
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: And so it was a lot of anxiety.

1012
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: But man, with Cody and with Kirby Hocutt, who is

1013
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: our athletic director, and Dusty Womble, who got on the

1014
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: phone with him. You know, we were able to keep him,

1015
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: and I think that was key in what we're doing

1016
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: to keep him here.

1017
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: About thirty minutes ago or so, when we first started talking,

1018
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: you said something I wanted to come back to it.

1019
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: You were talking about how signing Day used to work

1020
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: not that long ago. The first Wednesday in February was

1021
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: a holiday for most of us.

1022
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it was.

1023
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: It was gut wrenching for you guys, either on the

1024
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: high school or the college side, But as just a

1025
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: pure lover of the sport, I loved that day.

1026
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 2: That was like my NFL Draft Night one.

1027
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: And they've taken it from me and it's not there anymore.

1028
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: So you still sign high school recruits. It's just that

1029
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: the class comes together collectively in a weird time of

1030
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: the year and you've got Christmas season going on overlapping

1031
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: with bowl season, playoff season.

1032
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: I miss it. Hopefully one day it comes back.

1033
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of stuff that I love about

1034
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: this sport, a lot of stuff I love period that

1035
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I miss, but I know it's not coming back, so

1036
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: you just kind of have to deal with it and

1037
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: move on. When you look at the way the sport

1038
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: was structured versus the way it is structured. Without complaining,

1039
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: just a mere observation on your part, what are some

1040
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: of the things that maybe used to exist that don't

1041
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: exist anymore that you just as soon have back if

1042
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: you could.

1043
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want fax machines back. I mean, like

1044
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 4: you're talking about. It was like Christmas. I mean I.

1045
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: Remember as a high school coach, you know, and we're

1046
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: doing the fax machine and quick story of that two

1047
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, OU signed a kid, Adam shed to OU,

1048
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: an offensive lineman, and they're calling me going, hey, we

1049
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: hadn't got his facts, And I said, guys, I'm signing

1050
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: more guys today than you're signing. I think we signed

1051
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: thirty something in that class at some level between Division

1052
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: two and JUCO and FCS Division one, and so you

1053
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: I remember those days. We still in this building try

1054
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 3: to respect and honor and make it such a big

1055
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: deal for these high school guys because it is. It's

1056
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 3: a life changing event for them, and it's a big

1057
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: deal for them in high school.

1058
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: It was a huge deal at Cedar Hill.

1059
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: We made it a huge day for those guys to

1060
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: celebrate with their families and everything like that.

1061
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: But you know, you're right. I mean it was one

1062
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: of those deals.

1063
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: Talking about James Blancher, he actually said and in his

1064
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: interview his Super Bowl this year was the transfer port

1065
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: like bringing those guys in and so, you know, I

1066
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: don't know how it will change and what's next.

1067
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: But I do miss some of that stuff. I miss

1068
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 4: the grandeur of signing day and.

1069
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: The one signing day that you had, and it was

1070
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: in February. I do like to sign and day in December.

1071
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: I like to get my high school guys out of

1072
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: the way so I can start whenever I go on

1073
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: the road in January.

1074
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: I'm concentrating on, you know, the next couple of classes.

1075
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: But I do miss it.

1076
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: You if you've coached as long as you have, you've

1077
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: interacted with tens of thousands of players, players, families and staffers,

1078
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: so you've got a rolodex in your head. Have you

1079
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: ever stopped to think about how many faces you would

1080
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: recognize if I just lined all of them up that

1081
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: you've ever interacted with and they walk through here, I

1082
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: recognize him, Oh, I don't recognize her so much? How

1083
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: many people just rough estimate and the thousands upon thousands

1084
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: do you think you could recall I know his name

1085
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: without having to lean over and ask my.

1086
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: Assistant, who's that? What's his name? Because there's got to

1087
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: be a lot.

1088
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, thousands players.

1089
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: I think every player I've probably coached, I think I

1090
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: would have a I would I would be in the

1091
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: high end. Wow, ninety faces, I would recognize faces.

1092
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: Uh. There's nobody in the world that.

1093
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: I've ever been around better than Mac Brown and remembering

1094
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: every single name. I mean, Mac is is absolutely incredible

1095
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: at it.

1096
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1097
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: I wish I had that, Like I wish.

1098
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: That if you say, hey, if you want to be

1099
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: like a coach that has this and you're picking putting

1100
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: this coach together, nobody's like Mac. Mac is the absolute best.

1101
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it. That he meets you

1102
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: one time twenty years later, he's like, hey, Joey Man,

1103
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: you know I remember it like that. You know I do?

1104
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: You know, whenever it comes to that, I have a

1105
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 3: great memory whenever it comes to players and stuff like that.

1106
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: And I still have the same throne that I've had

1107
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: from I think the beginning of time, and so I

1108
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: still have a lot of my players, you know, in there,

1109
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: and still try to communicate with a bunch of them,

1110
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: and you know, I've when they've had kids or now

1111
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: it's getting to a point that probably some of them

1112
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: are gonna have grandkids.

1113
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 4: Yep, and so they still reach out and everything like that.

1114
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: But I wish I had that whenever it comes to MAC.

1115
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: I think whenever it comes to the players, I could

1116
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 3: recall a high percentage of them.

1117
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: Well, so now that you've got relationships with so many people,

1118
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: let's say you guys go out Week one, you win

1119
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: your game, or you're playing maybe that Colorado game goes differently.

1120
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: Last year, you win that game, it's on national TV.

1121
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Out of all those thousands of people, I would imagine

1122
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: there's a huge mountain of text messages after.

1123
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: Any given moment of your life. What does that cell

1124
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: phone look like?

1125
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 4: It's crazy. We were talking about it the other day.

1126
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: I was excuse my wife's birthday and she had all

1127
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: these texts and I was like, are you are you

1128
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: going to answer those? You drive me nuts. I'm one

1129
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: of those dudes. If you look at my phone, there's

1130
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: not red numbers, you know, like I.

1131
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: If there are, they're usually I've emailed myself something as

1132
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: a reminder of put it in my calendar. Whenever I

1133
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: got this job, I was two phones, probably five to

1134
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: six thousand texts and I answered every single one of them.

1135
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: On a game day at home, I try to have

1136
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: everything answer, so there's hundreds. I try to have everything

1137
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: answered before I get home. So when we're driving in

1138
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: the car, Debbie drives, you know, she drives home, and

1139
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm answering text message thank you or yeah it was

1140
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: a great moment or anything like that. I try to

1141
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: get it all out of the way and take a

1142
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 3: deep breath. It usually takes throughout the night.

1143
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: But you know, I respond to all my texts.

1144
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the reason to prioritize that. I like

1145
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: to think I respect people and then taking the time

1146
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: to tell me something. But I cannot go as far

1147
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: as to say I don't have any red circles on

1148
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: my screen. I do have circles on my screen. You

1149
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: got infinitely more than I have to worry about. And

1150
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: that takes a chunk of time. Unless you've got three

1151
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: assistants ghost texting for yourself. If you're doing it, that

1152
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time. There would be many people saying, Joe,

1153
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: you need to you need to refocus your time reprioritize it,

1154
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: invest your time. That's just time spent. You obviously look

1155
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: at that a different way.

1156
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, And you said it. You said it

1157
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: when you started, like, if somebody has enough respect for

1158
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: me to reach out and say hey, congratulations or whatever,

1159
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: I want to make sure they know that I appreciate that,

1160
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: you know, when I respond to it. I think that's

1161
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: that relationship base of people understanding.

1162
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: That you still are just that Joey maguire.

1163
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: You know, you're just the guy that they knew whenever

1164
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: they meant or at whatever point in their.

1165
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 4: Life, and you appreciate that. I'm also have some of

1166
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 4: that OCD.

1167
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: In me to where I can't like take a deep

1168
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: breath until someone that's done.

1169
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you're just talking about go ghost

1170
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: testing texting.

1171
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: We had a fantasy camp a couple of weeks ago

1172
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: for some boosters, and one of the boosters we get

1173
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 3: on the bus and he goes, oh.

1174
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: So somebody else does your social media? And I said, no,

1175
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: I do all my social media, and he goes, yeah,

1176
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: but you just retweeted.

1177
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: This offerer of some guy and I said yes, and

1178
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 3: I said the name of.

1179
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 4: The player, and I go.

1180
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: I was just sitting there, we were talking and a

1181
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: notification came up. I can do it like that, and

1182
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: he goes, you really do all your social media and

1183
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: I said yes, I said number one, I don't want you.

1184
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 4: You're talking about wasting time.

1185
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: I've been a part of this to where it's like, hey,

1186
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: you leave your phone here and we're gonna do.

1187
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: All this that happens.

1188
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: You know, hey, recruits, understand some of the responses you

1189
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: get or not from the guy you're getting it the

1190
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: coach you think you're getting it from. Now, I'm wasting

1191
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: my time going back and reading all those responses.

1192
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: So I'm caught up to whenever I.

1193
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: Talked to the kid again, you know, that used to

1194
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: drive me nuts, and I was like, man, this is

1195
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: you talking about the wasted time.

1196
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 4: That's some time wasting. So uh, I just think.

1197
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: It's the just the appreciation and the sum of it.

1198
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: I promise it's just my you know.

1199
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 4: Where I can't take a deep thread until I get

1200
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 4: some of that out.

1201
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: Of the way, you know, fair enough, fair enough, all right?

1202
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: So I kind of want to kind of want to

1203
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: close more on this side of the curtain. You are

1204
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: where you are right now, because of the choices and

1205
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: decisions you've made to this.

1206
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: Point, and it's landed you.

1207
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Hear. But I also imagine you never view yourself as

1208
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: a finished product. Right, So when you take time, not

1209
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: from the team or your assistance, but you personally man

1210
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: in the mirror and you evaluate yourself, what are some

1211
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: of the areas you look at and you say, I

1212
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: still got this area and that area I want to

1213
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: grow in.

1214
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: I need to grow in this area.

1215
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm a big reader, so and it's

1216
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: all you know, it's usually sports books or whatever, you know,

1217
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: whoever's out there, and leadership book. So constantly try to

1218
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: grow in that, you know, trying constantly trying to find

1219
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: different ways to motivate people, not just the team, but

1220
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: the people in this building. My coaches, I think you've

1221
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: got to be a lifelong learner. I am a true

1222
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: head coach. I'm a defensive guy. But I'm gonna let

1223
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: coach would do his job, and I'm gonna let coach

1224
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: Leftwicks do his job.

1225
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna let Coach Perry on special teams do

1226
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 4: his job.

1227
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: So the things that I want to continue to grow

1228
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: in is game management, you know, and analytics in in

1229
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: game analytics and stuff like that, and so my time

1230
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: spent knowing that I'm not a finished product in that,

1231
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: and so how can I get better in that. I

1232
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: really try to do that because I feel like if

1233
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: I'm micro managing people, then it's taken away from the

1234
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: gifts that I have, and the gifts that I think

1235
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: I have are the relationship peace and and getting guys to,

1236
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 3: you know, do things that they haven't done, and situational stuff.

1237
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 3: That's stuff that I'm really good at, and so I

1238
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: really want to concentrate on that. So whenever we sit

1239
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: here and I have any downtime, it's usually I'm listening.

1240
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: What I do is I buy the audio book and

1241
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: get the hard copy, and then I'll listen to the

1242
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: book and make notes in the hard copy.

1243
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 4: So it's good.

1244
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: There are some books out there that aren't audio books

1245
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: that I have on my list. There are actually a

1246
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: couple on my desk right now that I'll spend some

1247
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: time in the summer reading.

1248
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: You mentioned really diving into analytics. That's been sort of

1249
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: a wave in the past fifteen years that's just engulfed

1250
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: everything in sports. It could be that it could be

1251
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: something else. Has there been any frontier that's emerged within

1252
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: the sport of football that you looked at and said, boy,

1253
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of intimidating.

1254
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: That's really out of my wheelhouse. I'm not a math guy.

1255
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable.

1256
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: With analytics or is it all just well, it's an obstacle,

1257
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: but I got to tackle it if I'm going to

1258
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: believe a program.

1259
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an obstacle. I'm not a math guy. You know.

1260
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: It's funny, like there's probably different ways that people talk

1261
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: on game day. The guy he's left, so we're gonna

1262
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: have a new guy, and and he did it in

1263
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: the bowl game, and you know he's gonna work his

1264
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 3: tail off to get better at it and go talk

1265
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 3: to some different people.

1266
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: But a guy that he went with, Zach.

1267
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 3: He's his new chief of staff, Herison Hannah was the

1268
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: guy that did this last year. And he'd be like, hey,

1269
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: here's the magic number. He'd be taught, Like I said,

1270
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to do the math. Just tell me

1271
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: like it was the yard, like yes, something like that.

1272
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 4: Like so it is, man, it's one of those deals.

1273
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: It's just an obstacle that you got to tackle, and

1274
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: you know, like my first year in twenty twenty two,

1275
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: who went for it more than anybody else in the

1276
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: country on fourth down, you know, and it yielded some

1277
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, really big situations helped us beat and win

1278
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: some games. But we're constantly also trying to evolve in

1279
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 3: that world of a going back.

1280
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 4: We constantly study.

1281
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: The game, of course the week before, but you know,

1282
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: just throughout the year going back and look at last year,

1283
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: you know, what would I have done at this moment,

1284
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: what would I have changed in game decisions.

1285
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 4: I think you kind of constantly do that to keep.

1286
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: Growing because of the time that you think you've got

1287
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: it down, something's going to happen in a game and

1288
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: it's going to end up biting you in the tail

1289
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: if you're not ready for it.

1290
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: Coach, this is awesome. We appreciate it, man.

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