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Speaker 1: Well, he played ten years in the NFL. He's got

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Speaker 1: a new digital and YouTube show called a Rearview. Mark

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Speaker 1: Sanchez is joining us live. Your guest was Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: who is I think, honestly is the most talented quarterback

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Speaker 1: just physical trace I've ever seen in my life. He's

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Speaker 1: a small town kid. Tell the audience the story about

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Speaker 1: he and his dad and their new business venture.

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Speaker 3: Well, they actually have this partnership with wonderful pistachios. And

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen is from Fireball, which is outside of Fresno,

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Speaker 3: Central California, known for produce and farming and agriculture. So

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Speaker 3: he's a small town farm kid and him and his

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Speaker 3: dad had their first yield of crops pistachios, and it

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Speaker 3: takes five years. The last time I talked to him

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Speaker 3: about it was exactly five years ago. So he's fired

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Speaker 3: up about this partnership and we got to break that

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Speaker 3: down a little bit and his agricultural skills, and also

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Speaker 4: Has playing quarterback in the NFL. So it was fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is remarkable how many of these great quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: grew up as small town kids. It is unbelievable, the

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Speaker 1: numbers if you go back. So you know, I was

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Speaker 1: saying this about Brock Purdy when Brock Purty was FBS

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Speaker 1: the four years he started at Iowa State. The reason

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Speaker 1: he dropped in the draft is he led college football

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Speaker 1: and interceptions. He was a little small and he threw

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Speaker 1: a lot of picks. So he goes to Kyle Shanahan's

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Speaker 1: system and you don't see a lot of picks. He

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Speaker 1: cleaned it up, but now he's playing hurt and that

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Speaker 1: people fans don't un you're forcing things, you're playing hurt,

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't have quite the velocity, and now he's

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Speaker 1: making more and more mistakes. My take is some of

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Speaker 1: this is just the injuries. Because I thought from college

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Speaker 1: do you think the interceptions come from he's obviously not

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Speaker 5: Is that part of it, Oh.

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Speaker 4: That's a huge part of it. And I think he

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Speaker 3: A steady distributor type point guard to a guy who's

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Speaker 3: Remember he had guys like Brandon Ayuk, George Kittle, Deebo

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Speaker 3: All pros or Pro Bowlers, perennial All Pros and Pro Bowlers,

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Speaker 3: his job. Now he's working with different players, younger players,

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Speaker 3: first year, second year players that he doesn't have a

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Speaker 4: And sometimes you just kind of press a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like that's kind of where he's at.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to overcompensate for injuries and lack of personnel

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Speaker 1: So one of the things, you know, I've said this

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Speaker 1: get credit for the mistakes they avoid, Like, like you know,

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Speaker 5: Going to do that.

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Speaker 1: You don't get credit for stuff you don't do. But

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Speaker 1: this happens in life. Sometimes you could be a husband,

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Speaker 5: Be a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers is the lowest rated PFF quarterback

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Speaker 1: and I said time out. I said time out. I've

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings right out of the gate, got a great

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Speaker 1: pass rush, and Aaron said, I'm not throwing the ball

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let our defense win. And I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: saying that's what I saw. But he's got He's low

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Speaker 1: graded by PFF and their takeaway is he doesn't throw

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, I.

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Speaker 1: Watched the Minnesota's old line can't protect Carson.

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Speaker 5: He shouldn't throw the ball down the field. And you're

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Speaker 5: laughing at this, Why well, I just.

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Speaker 3: Okay, eleven twenty one Pacific time, Colin Coward is defending

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 4: I know if I've heard that, give me twenty second.

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Speaker 4: This could be a full Colin. What's going on? I

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Speaker 4: flipped the script here. Listen. I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I think you know he's the veteran conductor of the orchestra.

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Speaker 3: It's not flashy, but he's gonna get the whole group

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Speaker 3: in sync and hit every note. Reminder, this division is

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Speaker 3: theirs for the take with Joe Burrow down with Lamar

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Speaker 3: I mean they're playing Dylan Gabriel and Jake Browning next

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Speaker 3: are their two starting quarterbacks that they're going against. So

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Speaker 3: they finally figured out how to use DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 4: And that took some time. You know, they don't have

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Speaker 3: Aaron and DK and then Arthur Smith getting him involved

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Speaker 3: in understanding that's exactly what he does best what we're

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Speaker 4: He's a catch and run guy. He's a big.

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Speaker 3: Body contested ball defender catcher like that. That's exactly the

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Speaker 3: you take it. When it's not, you're going to have

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Speaker 4: Screens, tight end screens.

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Speaker 3: That's where they're going to get some of their stuff

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Speaker 3: because they're not just to launch it down the field

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Speaker 3: the old type of team. But this post bye week

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Speaker 3: it's set up pretty nice for them to potentially run

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Speaker 3: the table in the AFC North.

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Speaker 5: So you have the Raiders at the Colts this weekend.

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Speaker 1: And I'm watching the Rams Colts game and I'm texting

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Speaker 1: one of the people. I'm like, first of all, in

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Speaker 1: these old line in these team's good. They got dudes

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Speaker 1: in these good team. And I said, second Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: not Stafford, but Daniel Jones is making big boy throws.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is playing with a ton of confidence. His

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Speaker 1: don't even I don't care. I'll say it. I never

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Speaker 1: gave up on Sam Darnold. I gave up on Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm watching. I mean, seriously, Mark,

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Speaker 3: Well, just adam to the list of former new players

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Speaker 3: Xavier McKinney, Saquon Barkley, Leo Williams, Daniel Jones just out

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Speaker 3: into the list. So what Shane Steichen has done as

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Speaker 4: They got a great run game.

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Speaker 3: I love their running back and they have everything that

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones had in the year he went to the

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Speaker 4: I mean it looks very similar. Remember they had.

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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley that year, and you know now they're working

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Speaker 3: with Jonathan Taylor. It's like a very similar setup. The

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Speaker 3: I mean he's a big body, all of six to six,

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is scary. They have plenty of talent

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Speaker 3: I think it's kind of them in Jacksonville right now,

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Speaker 3: the season, that can really make a run in that division,

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Speaker 3: and that thing's wide open for those two teams.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Ashton genty breakout game, that's not a

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Speaker 1: great old line. You're looking at film, he kind of

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's Boise State. It's a big

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Speaker 1: jump up. It's not a great old line. What did

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought they had an excellent performance last week.

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Speaker 3: I think Austin powers Jackson does a good job for

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Speaker 3: them up front. He's their right guard, has played center

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Speaker 3: as well. Now they're going with Meredith at center. But

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Speaker 3: they also just lost Colton Miller, their left tackle that

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Speaker 4: So that's going to be huge. Who's going to step in?

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Speaker 4: But I loved his ascension.

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Speaker 3: And remember this division, the AFC West, it's a street

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Speaker 1: Good stuff Today, Mark Sanchez, Joel Klatt, lot of baseball

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Speaker 5: Will be as well today. Jmak with the news.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about Drake May and the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 6: Colin May had a good, good performance against the hapless Panthers.

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Speaker 6: Easy dub for me on that one. Three total touchdowns

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Speaker 7: He is the guy. He's he's proven himself. Uh, this

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Speaker 5: No, I think it's absolutely true.

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Speaker 1: His thing was he had the justin Herbert komp The

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Speaker 5: But look at what they have.

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Speaker 1: The five things that are very important in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: the quarterback right.

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Speaker 5: It's not about being a perfect roster.

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Speaker 1: Do you get the owner, the coach, the offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, left tackle, one elite weapon and somebody on

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Speaker 1: the defensive front. Now, they don't have an elite weapon.

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Speaker 1: I think their running backs are both BB plus running backs.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I do think your AJ Brown's discussion

443
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Speaker 1: is smart. The thing they lack to be a team

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Speaker 1: that can win playoff games is a weapon, I meaning else.

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Speaker 1: Now they're young, Drake's young, Will Campbell's young, Henderson's young.

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Speaker 5: It's a new staff.

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Speaker 1: They're not a multiple playoff win team, but they could

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Speaker 1: win a playoff game if you gave them an AJ

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Speaker 1: Brown to me one playoff game.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I largely agree with you, but you know

451
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Speaker 6: I'm not here to ball wash you. We disagree, and

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Speaker 6: I think we make the audience smarter. Colin, I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: tell you the four opponents that Drake's May has faced

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Speaker 6: this year. Okay, the Vegas Raiders that's a bottom five

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Speaker 6: defense in the league, The Miami Dolphins bottom five defense

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Speaker 6: in the league. Pittsburgh Steelers this season so far bottom five,

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Speaker 6: and then Carolina, which is just awful. So I like May.

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Speaker 6: Remember I was higher on him than than Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 6: I took a lot of flaks to that. I believe

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Speaker 6: in Nate. I just need to see a little more now.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if we'll see that against Buffalo this

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Speaker 6: week because Spencer Rattler moved the football over down the

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Speaker 6: field against Buffalo and then May faces the Saints. So

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Speaker 6: I don't really know what to I don't want to

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Speaker 6: go full all in on Nay. Are you ready to

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Speaker 6: do that? You're saying he's the guy. No.

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Speaker 1: I said in that draft, I liked every quarterback in

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Speaker 1: his class. JJ McCarthy ad reservations. I still believe in

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Speaker 1: all of them. I think Penis is inconsistent, so is Caleb,

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Speaker 1: but I'm I think they're I think they're once you

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback and the head coach right, as a fan,

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Speaker 1: just renew your season tickets, get a better bargain, buy

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Speaker 1: him for the next three years. Because they're going nower.

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Speaker 1: Miami is circling the drain. The Jets are perpetually circling

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Speaker 1: the drain. Josh is going to mostly win the division,

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Speaker 1: but this is going to be a playoff team going forward. Okay, Kella,

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Speaker 1: They've got to upgrade somewhere. On the sideline.

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Speaker 6: Scenario, Broncos stunned the Eagles. AJ Brown has three catches

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Speaker 6: for forty yards and he's pissed again. Do the Patriots

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Speaker 6: pick off the phone and say, listen, we're close. Well,

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Speaker 6: let's go get aj Brown. Yeah, let's put uh, let's

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Speaker 6: put a second and a fourth on the table and

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Speaker 6: see if they do yes.

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Speaker 1: Because they're very, very first of all, they they don't

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Speaker 1: have a ton of absolute urgent needs. I think their

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Speaker 1: O line needs to just keep getting better, and I

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Speaker 1: think they need a weapon offensively. But the truth is,

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna once you pay May in a couple

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Speaker 1: of years. You've got now because of Drake May's contract,

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Speaker 1: you got two years maybe three yet to go big

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Speaker 1: game fishing. So Drake May's a guy I would pay early.

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Speaker 1: Why you know he got Jayden Daniels pay him early.

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Speaker 1: Phone Nicks, those kind of guys. I'd pay a year

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Speaker 1: early to get a better deal on the contract. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay them, I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: You know it away.

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Speaker 1: It works with quarterbacks. The longer you wait, the uglier

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Speaker 1: it gets with the team. But I think you have

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Speaker 1: two full years with Drake May. If you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: big game hunting, you have a major need on the

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Speaker 1: and you have not as an organization drafted that position,

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Speaker 1: well at all.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's go to my Jets. Listen, we're not

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Speaker 6: gonna be talking about them a lot this season because

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Speaker 6: they stink. They are zero to four Titans or winless.

506
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Speaker 6: Saints are winless, Jets are winless. New York has been

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Speaker 6: the fourth most penalty yards this season.

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Speaker 7: Not good.

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Speaker 6: And my guy, Saws Gardner, I know Jets fans are

510
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Speaker 6: upset with me for talking about trading him. Well, listen

511
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Speaker 6: to this nonsense. He's upset with officials, But listen to

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Speaker 6: the logic.

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 8: I think I get called for more stuff just based

515
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Speaker 8: off of us just not winning. Just how us these

516
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Speaker 8: winning programs and give me some egregious things and it

517
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Speaker 8: don't get called like you know, Landon players play like

518
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Speaker 8: I got called him something today where it's like I

519
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Speaker 8: know the row and everything and I'm just supposed to

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Speaker 8: let him just push all the type of rude I'm

521
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Speaker 8: seeing kind of steps all that, like he's.

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Speaker 4: Not going to catch the ball regardless.

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Speaker 8: I just feel like in general, even the Mike Emans ones,

524
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Speaker 8: I just feel like us not winning.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just what goes on.

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Speaker 1: I can I throw this at you? Rams No, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I will say this is that

528
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Speaker 1: there's a reason Mike Krzyzewski was hard on reps because

529
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Speaker 1: it probably got him a couple calls.

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Speaker 7: And there.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that Belichick for years was so respected.

532
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Speaker 1: His corners were so handsy and so physical, and Bill

533
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Speaker 1: was so respected, and they were so physical that some

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Speaker 1: stuff you just let go. Jerry Sloan, the late great

535
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Speaker 1: coach of Utah, they were so physical and so chippy,

536
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Speaker 1: you couldn't call everything. And I do think when you're

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Speaker 1: a bad team, you know, and the game is let's

538
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Speaker 1: say out of hand, you don't get that call, they're

539
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Speaker 1: just gonna arrest, gonna say I'm just gonna call it.

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Speaker 1: And when the game is tight and it's closed and

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Speaker 1: it's a winning team with a legendary coach, I don't

542
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Speaker 1: think it's rigged. I think it's the advantage of being

543
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Speaker 1: successful in life. It's like the advantage of being tall

544
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Speaker 1: or good looking. People just assume you know what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about. I think being on a successful team in

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Speaker 1: close games late a lot of times officials almost subliminally

547
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Speaker 1: swallow a whistle and let them play, and you don't

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Speaker 1: dot and blowouts and you don't do it on bad teams.

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Speaker 1: You just sort of it's almost innate. You're like, well,

550
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Speaker 1: they're sloppy, they're not well coached, and you're more willing

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Speaker 1: to call something. If Sauce Gardner was on the Rams

552
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Speaker 1: and Sean mcvay's on that sideline and they're in close games,

553
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Speaker 1: do you get a little extra sometimes?

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Speaker 5: I think you do. I really do.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 6: I know Jets fans aren't happy. I want what's best

557
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Speaker 6: for the team. I like Sauce Gardner, Colin, how about

558
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Speaker 6: from our crack investigative staff here, Sauce is the highest

559
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Speaker 6: paid cornerback or defensive back in the NFL. He has

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Speaker 6: one interception in the last forty three games. I know

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Speaker 6: it's not all about picks, but one games. Don't tell

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Speaker 6: me they're not throwing at them.

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Speaker 5: Come on, no, let me ask you this. When you

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Speaker 5: lead the Jets in the fourth quarter, why throw?

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Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, if you go look at the interception

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Speaker 1: leaders in the NFL right now, I bet you some

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Speaker 1: of them are on teams that lead games in the

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Speaker 1: fourth court. Are forcing teams to throw even if they

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Speaker 1: have a second tier quarterback and a patchwork offensive line.

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Speaker 1: The Jets trail late. Why would I have to throw

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Speaker 1: dangerously towards soft gardener.

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Speaker 6: That you see on the screen. There. Jets, Cowboys Fox games,

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Speaker 6: so we will talk about it. Cowboys favor by two

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Speaker 6: and a half. Why are they not three? Colin? I

575
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Speaker 6: have not bet the Jets since the opener up when

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Speaker 6: they covered thank You Alert, Thank you Jets are winning

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Speaker 6: out right.

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Speaker 5: Final story. I like the Jets there.

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Speaker 6: Jadeen Daniels has missed two weeks due to knee injury. However,

580
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Speaker 6: Dan Quinn says Daniels has been medically cleared and he

581
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Speaker 6: is practicing in full today. Marcus Mariota started the last

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Speaker 6: two games. They beat the Raiders and then look kind

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Speaker 6: of hapless against the I forget.

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Speaker 5: Oh the Falcons.

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Speaker 6: So Daniels against the Commander's big one. I think there's

586
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Speaker 6: a great game.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a lean here?

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Speaker 6: With Daniels back?

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Speaker 2: Running?

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Speaker 6: Sorry, running quarterbacks have given the Chargers problems. Jackson Dark

591
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Speaker 6: last week had like fifty four yards.

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Speaker 5: On the ground.

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Speaker 1: Chargers have an offensive line issue, so it's really really

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Speaker 1: hard for me. I think they have a better roster

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Speaker 1: than Washington. I think the Chargers probably bounce back, But

596
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Speaker 1: when you don't have your tackles. It disrupts everything. Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell last week, all banged up on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell was getting crushed on social media for not

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Speaker 1: adapting and adjusting. How do you do it when you're

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Speaker 1: on third string offensive lineman. You don't want to get

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Speaker 1: people hurt. So it's hard for me to embrace a

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Speaker 1: team with two elite left tackles. I mean, Justin Herbert's

603
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Speaker 1: getting whacked like fourteen to fifteen times a game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're real quick, we know. Let's say Joe All

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Speaker 6: comes back. Chargers, you had them in your Super Bowl bubble.

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Speaker 6: Do you make a splash and go after maybe a

607
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Speaker 6: right tackle on a team that's not contending and say, hey,

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Speaker 6: can we get this guy? Do you train for one

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Speaker 6: of those thinking you could compete this year? Or do

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Speaker 6: you say no?

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Speaker 1: We're going to say the course no, because you got

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Speaker 1: two great tackles, they're both hurt.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't do that. I think the Chargers are fine.

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Speaker 5: They just I may you know what I may do.

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Speaker 1: I may pick up a running back at the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline because Harris is out and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: give it. Hampton twenty three carries.

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Speaker 5: I think they have to.

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Speaker 1: You know, Denver went and got Harvey in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and then they went and got JK. Dobbins and it

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Speaker 1: ended up being a really good pick. I think that

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Speaker 1: the Chargers should look for another back.

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Speaker 6: Hmm. Interesting, Okay.

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Speaker 5: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.

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Speaker 5: What's a bad team with a good running back? Ask

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Speaker 5: yourself that.

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Speaker 6: Let me look at the Panthers Shuba Hubbard or do

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Speaker 6: they pay him to us?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you're the Panthers, you're selling again. If

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Speaker 6: I'm not giving up Breishall, I know a lot of

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Speaker 6: people are gonna call Breeshall. Looks like he's got some

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Speaker 6: pop with the Jets. He's had a good season. Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 1: About Tony Allen. How about the Wisconsin running back?

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Speaker 5: To the back up?

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Speaker 6: He's about to go on ir So you know he

638
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Speaker 6: got banged up. Melvin Kamara, that's interesting. Does he have

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Speaker 6: are you seeing like it? He feels like he got

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Speaker 6: old quick.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: He's the young guy Kendrey Miller or something like that.

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Speaker 6: He looked better than Alvin Kamara. But that's not about it.

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Speaker 6: I like where your head is at. I love this

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Speaker 6: NFL trade stuff.

646
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Speaker 1: So I think the Rams need a corner, the Chargers

647
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Speaker 1: need a running back, and I like the Jets to

648
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Speaker 1: upset the Cowboys this.

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Speaker 6: Week for you, we're in. We're synergistic once again with

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Speaker 6: some of our picks. Colts Raiders. That was one of

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Speaker 6: your favorites.

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Speaker 1: My favorite pick of the week is the Colts over

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, so it's my favorite pick of the week.

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Speaker 6: I just have some PTSD from Daniel Jones with the Giants.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that I can trust that guy. I

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Speaker 6: want to take a coltson Survivor. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: Another one is New England's getting a lot of points

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Speaker 1: in a division rivalry game and a team New England

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Speaker 1: can run the ball.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think that's bad.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're done for today. Verse things first up

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Speaker 1: next the show No Budget