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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blaz and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined has always

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Arnold Palmer is

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Speaker 1: in his final US Open. The beginning cares about that

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Speaker 1: the first day of the Masters. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to go home and watch all four

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Speaker 2: round shutosters. I did watch the back nine of the Masters.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, So you waited till the worst part. It

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Speaker 2: was a great weekend up until Sunday on a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has a weekend up until such a fun time

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Speaker 2: watching that. I highly doubt it. I think you are

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Speaker 2: lying to yourselves about golf. Anyways, Katriots Catch twenty two Here,

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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Before we get going, and we got plenty to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Eight days eight days to the NFL Draft. Here, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna go down right here at Jillette Stadium. More room

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Speaker 2: right down the hall. So it's gonna be a big

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Speaker 2: And before we get into the draft stuff, and you

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Speaker 2: know this is my least favorite part of the job.

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Speaker 2: And you know that you know that this is my

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Speaker 1: And I would think you like it because you like

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Speaker 2: No, no, because that's that's stuff that doesn't actually matter

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Speaker 1: So that there's a level of being removed that you, yes,

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Speaker 2: But before I started working here, when we worked together

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Speaker 2: with Seth. Like I'm not trying to take shots at him.

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Speaker 2: for people that don't know what we're talking about. ESPN

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Speaker 2: dropped a story this morning about why Bill Belichick lost

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Speaker 2: know you like the drama, you know you like you said,

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Speaker 2: there's been other reporting about Rich McKay's role in all

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Speaker 2: Those people, I think, how you pronounced that, I think so.

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Speaker 2: And let's face it, if you hire Bill Belichick as

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Speaker 2: we I'm sure we'll talk about it and more in

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Speaker 2: Unfiltered tomorrow. That's more. That's more that show. Right, You

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Speaker 2: So that's enough of that. But if you want to hear,

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Speaker 2: call it that. The real news that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's part of it. Look Also, the

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Speaker 1: So you sometimes have a couple visits left over later,

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Speaker 1: So I think that they see a scenario in which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's a scenario. The scenario to

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Speaker 2: as much as I like Drake May and as much

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Speaker 2: to fifty proposition statistically, literally about a fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: if the Vikings all of a sudden are will give

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Speaker 2: I can tell you right now, they are not leaving

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Speaker 2: from all angles organizationally, that's going to happen. They're not

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Speaker 2: going into next year with Jacobe were Ssett and Bailey

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Speaker 2: just I can't imagine that being a world that we're

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Speaker 2: just quickly. Also on Penix, I've had Penix as QB

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you. I think that people that

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Speaker 2: it's really really difficult to make a case for McCarthy

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Speaker 2: quote that Dame Brewer had in The Beast about don't

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Speaker 2: We're winning a national championship at Michigan, those types of things.

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Speaker 2: Pennix has all of those types of things and is

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Speaker 2: oozing with that type of stuff if that's what you're into, right,

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Speaker 2: So checks that box. I think as a thrower he's

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Speaker 2: McCarthy is. He's not quite as athletic. I wouldn't say.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think he moves around quite

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Speaker 1: Oh he moves pretty well, he just doesn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he moves like McCarthy. McCarthy. McCarthy's quick, agile, sudden,

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Speaker 2: Those are the one that's like the one thing, yes,

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Speaker 2: four years ago. That is the one thing with McCarthy

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Speaker 2: that I'll give him. I think it's comparable maybe in

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Speaker 2: more elusive, gets out of the pocket more. The other

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Speaker 2: thing I think with Pennix. You know, just in terms

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Speaker 2: of Film one, there are issues against pressure. Now, every

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Speaker 2: when he's under pressure. I also think that there's an

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Speaker 2: get the ball out quickly. I don't necessarily think that

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Speaker 2: that's his game. If you're drafting Michael Pennix junior, you're

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Speaker 2: running a vertical based passing offense. Right, You're pushing the

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Speaker 1: And that's something Van Pelt has experience with.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I would say that they're more that maybe on

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Speaker 2: in terms of their base offense on first and second down,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the offense he ran, of any of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was an under center, but they that's a

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Speaker 2: I've been high on Penis. I know you've been really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this, just for the short stuff. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that with the short game the biggest

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Speaker 2: with McCarthy too. So this isn't saying that he's better

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Speaker 2: So I like I've had him as QB before. I

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Speaker 2: I would take Pennix all day. Where in the draft,

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Speaker 2: too early in our minds to take Michael Pennox.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the board falls a certain way, I

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, how much further down can you move? Because

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Speaker 1: you've the Raiders have done a ton of work with him.

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Speaker 1: They need a quarterback. We talked about that group of

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Speaker 1: ready to jump. So if you don't love somebody at three,

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Speaker 2: Get McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Now there's a massive run going and now you kind

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Speaker 1: of have to make them.

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Speaker 2: I say that you've heard me.

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Speaker 1: I know you've heard me say this all But the

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Speaker 2: It's just so rich for the injury history.

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Speaker 1: So then you're just not gonna draft quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If you take you're taking a guy that has had

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Speaker 2: four season ending injuries on his resume. At six overall

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, in a scenario where McCarthy goes ahead.

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Speaker 2: Of him, I understand what you're saying that.

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Speaker 1: I say, there's two drafts. There's the quarterback draft and

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Speaker 1: there's the draft where everybody else's and you have to

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Speaker 1: Maybe you go back to eleven and then you move up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can make it work at like seven or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, six is rich for me. I think that

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Speaker 2: with Penix. The ideal situation with Pennix is that you

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Speaker 2: you're getting Penix with your second pick. I'm not necessarily

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Speaker 2: I think taking Penix in the top ten is rich.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see how you can do that with

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Speaker 2: the So let me ask you this, but but are

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Speaker 1: So let's say you move back to six. JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 2: U Malik neighbors? Yeah, now what.

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting, I'm rolling the waiting for what he's gonna

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Speaker 2: No, you would have I would assume that maybe you're

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Speaker 1: You have the Broncos at twelve, you have the Raiders

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Speaker 2: Take him there.

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Speaker 1: Those are teams that need quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you need quarterbacks, but this you have to understand

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Speaker 1: Nobody understand none of these teams understand that. None of

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Speaker 2: Oh, they definitely care about it. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: Do you think any team looked at twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: No, and that's my point. But they say, but none

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Speaker 2: But none of those guys were hurt in twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I think they, especially teams that the NFL teams care

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Speaker 2: and injury. Because you are paying. This is an investment,

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Speaker 2: it's a business investment, and you're paying these guys millions

435
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Speaker 2: of dollars to come in and play a position.

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Speaker 1: I was on the other side of this argument with

437
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Speaker 1: Felger yesterday, and I guess that kind of falls somewhere

438
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Speaker 1: in the middle. I do think teams are devalued. I

439
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Speaker 1: think I think the injury thing is what takes him

440
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Speaker 1: out of the conversation and going top five. If it

441
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Speaker 1: wasn't for the injuries, we would truly be debating him

442
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Speaker 1: and Drake.

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Speaker 2: May I don't necessarily disagree.

444
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Speaker 1: But because that's the injuries knocking The injuries are what

445
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Speaker 1: are knocking him down to the ten to fifteen range.

446
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Speaker 2: The injuries, all of those quarterbacks injuries and the National

447
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Speaker 2: Championship gap, all of those let's face.

448
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Speaker 1: It, okay, but all of those quarterback teams. You're not

449
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Speaker 1: telling me one of them is going to be sitting

450
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Speaker 1: there saying we have to this is our chance to

451
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Speaker 1: get our guy. The consensus board currently has him going thirteenth.

452
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Speaker 1: If you pay at six, you're not getting back up

453
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Speaker 1: to thirteen. You don't have the assets. I don't unless

454
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Speaker 1: you bar significantly in the future. You can tell me

455
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong in two weeks, will you do this show?

456
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Speaker 1: So do you remember, like two months ago, we were

457
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Speaker 1: doing this about Jaydon Daniels and you said Jayden Daniels

458
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Speaker 1: was going thirty fourth.

459
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Speaker 2: I was saying that for a different reason, I know,

460
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Speaker 2: but I'm just saying just and I also did that

461
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Speaker 2: that was like a take that I had that could happen.

462
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Speaker 1: You gotta remember, as much as you study the players,

463
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Speaker 1: I'm studying the mechanics of it, the economics of it.

464
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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you that the economics of it are

465
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Speaker 2: that these these these are business owners and you're making

466
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Speaker 2: a business decision. This is the same reason why this

467
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Speaker 2: happens all the time that these guys that.

468
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Speaker 1: You know it's good business drafting a quarterback that sales

469
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Speaker 1: jerseys and tickets. Some GM will talk some owner, he's

470
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Speaker 1: not getting to thirty four. It's not it's just not happening.

471
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Speaker 1: It's just not happening.

472
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Speaker 2: How do you know that? How do you know that.

473
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Speaker 1: He's because I saw twenty, because I saw and Mac

474
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Speaker 1: Jones and Zach Will.

475
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Speaker 2: None of those guys were heard.

476
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Speaker 1: They had other especially Lance who went third team traded up.

477
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Speaker 2: That's not that's not an injury red flag. How do

478
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Speaker 2: you know Kenny Pickett went in the first round? Yeah,

479
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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett was healthy. Kenny Pickett had very small hands.

480
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Speaker 2: How do you so that was why he shouldn't have

481
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Speaker 2: gone in the first round. No, shouldn't have gotten in

482
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Speaker 2: the first round because he's stunk. But the point is

483
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Speaker 2: is that you have no idea, we have no.

484
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Speaker 1: You think teams would rather draft I think there's a

485
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Speaker 1: chance that there's teams that don't have him on their boards.

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 1: You think there's teams that would rather draft a bad

488
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round than a good quarterback with

489
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Speaker 1: the history of injuries.

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Speaker 2: You think the teams that have the best because that's

491
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Speaker 2: not what's happening here. I'm telling you that I think

492
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Speaker 2: that there's a chance that all these teams that you

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Speaker 2: mentioned that need quarterbacks in that team's range just take

494
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Speaker 2: other plays.

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Speaker 1: So Bryce Young injury history went first.

496
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Speaker 2: Overall? What injury history did Bryce Young have?

497
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Speaker 1: He got the crappy out in Alabama, like, never finished games.

498
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Speaker 2: That's not an injury history. This guy, right, four season

499
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Speaker 2: ending in about Yeah, two is a good one. Two

500
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Speaker 2: I think fifth after a hip injury that could have

501
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Speaker 2: ended his career. I think two was a better prospect

502
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Speaker 2: than Penix. But I I hear you, that's a good.

503
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Speaker 1: I think two went to Alabama. That's the difference.

504
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Speaker 2: Now, I don't think so. I think to two if

505
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Speaker 2: pre hip injuries is the first overall pick, I think, right,

506
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Speaker 2: but he had the hip injury and he still went fifth. Yeah,

507
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Speaker 2: that's a I mean that was a pretty big drop

508
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Speaker 2: off when you really think about the hype for Tua

509
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Speaker 2: if he goes healthy that entire year. I I I

510
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Speaker 2: know you like Penix. I'm just telling you that Seams

511
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Speaker 2: are gonna have him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm telling you if your plan going in is

513
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Speaker 1: to take Michael Pennox thirty fourth overall, if that that's

514
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Speaker 1: what I'm not that's been leading up to, that's that's

515
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Speaker 1: a horrible plan because if you lose him, and there

516
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Speaker 1: is a chance you lose him, now what You've wasted

517
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Speaker 1: an entire offseason and we have to do the quarterback

518
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Speaker 1: carousel thing all over again.

519
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Speaker 2: Well, uh, we can argue about this for another hour,

520
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Speaker 2: but I I just I personally think that you're a

521
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: little bit underestimating how bad his injury history is. This

522
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: is not a player that you know, Amarius Mims. He

523
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: has tightrope surgery last year, you know, ankle injury out

524
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: for what was it half the season or something like that.

525
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Speaker 2: Those are the types of injuries that you might be

526
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Speaker 2: able to overlook for first round talent. If this guy

527
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Speaker 2: we don't know if they are teams that have ruled

528
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Speaker 2: Michael Pennix out completely because of his knees, the shoulder stuff,

529
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Speaker 2: doesn't because of his non throwing shoulder. But we know

530
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Speaker 2: als and knees and things like that. You know, the

531
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Speaker 2: Broncos haven't. How do we know that because they've met

532
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Speaker 2: with them since the combine that the combine physical is

533
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Speaker 2: done by the league. These got these teams bring these

534
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Speaker 2: players in so that their own doctors.

535
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Speaker 1: Went, they went to visit him. You think they brought

536
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Speaker 1: the doctors to visit or you think they want to

537
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Speaker 1: see him throw? Absolutely, the Raiders have met with him

538
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Speaker 1: multiple times.

539
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, to probably get to know what his hint where

540
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 2: he's How many times you need to meet with him

541
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Speaker 2: to do a physical. All right, we'll see, We'll see

542
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Speaker 2: I'm not telling you that you're wrong. I'm just telling

543
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm just playing devil's advocate because this is a we

544
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Speaker 2: see this happen all the time with players that fall

545
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Speaker 2: out of the first round, and you're like, what happened here?

546
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: And most of the time we don't know until after.

547
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Speaker 1: I'm on and I'm on the record with this. If

548
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: there are concerns about his knee, I don't want him.

549
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Speaker 1: If there are real legitimate concerns about his knee, holding there,

550
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Speaker 1: I don't want him.

551
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Speaker 2: All legitimate concerns about his knee.

552
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, like new you looked at it, it

553
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: hasn't healed. The report from the combine was he passed

554
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: the medical testing, right, so FU If you look at

555
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: him and you say, yeah, this guy's not gonna play

556
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Speaker 1: more than five years, then I don't want him. I

557
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: don't think that's the case, but that would be something

558
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Speaker 1: where a team would pull him off their board if

559
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Speaker 1: he makes it to thirty four. I guess my point

560
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Speaker 1: is I just wouldn't draft him at that point because

561
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Speaker 1: clearly there's something going on with his knee beyond like

562
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Speaker 1: the healing hasn't gone properly. The rehab hasn't gone on properly.

563
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Speaker 2: I hear you. I I like Penis. I think he's

564
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: the first round talent on film. I don't think there's

565
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: any question about that. So six is way too rich

566
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Speaker 2: for me. If you're a team in the teens that

567
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Speaker 2: are are gonna take him in like the mac Jones,

568
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: can you?

569
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Speaker 1: But again, to go back to the point taking him

570
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Speaker 1: at six, if it's Michael Penix at six, if you're

571
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: your two options at quarter or I'll give you three options.

572
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: You can have Michael Pennox at six. You can have

573
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Speaker 1: Bo Nicks at thirty four. You can have Spencer Ratler

574
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Speaker 1: at sixty eight.

575
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one? I don't know. I'm not a.

576
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: Doctor, assuming his knee clears, detesting.

577
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have to think about it, because

578
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't, just you don't. That's my point.

579
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Speaker 1: You don't just get to say I wouldn't take Michael

580
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Speaker 1: Penix at six.

581
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

582
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Speaker 1: When you when you sit there and say they have

583
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Speaker 1: to come out of this draft with a quarterback, because

584
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Speaker 1: eight quarterback does not mean this, but Pennix, it's I

585
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Speaker 1: assume you mean a guy with actual franchise quarterback up

586
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Speaker 1: side what if Pennix at six is your last chance

587
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: to get that guy?

588
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: See you next year?

589
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: There's a all right and that you know what, that's fine,

590
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: that's a legitimate take. You don't trust it. And I've

591
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: said that if they don't believe in the quarterbacks, don't

592
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: take one. Don't take a quarterback, just take a quarterback.

593
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I believe in Penis enough that if JJ McCarthy I trade,

594
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: you know you trade back. Drake made JJ McCarthy go.

595
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: It's Penix and then Nicks. I want. I've said this,

596
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with Bonix. I think Spencer

597
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: Ratler is an interesting prospect, but his floor is way

598
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: too low in this scenario. I'm taking Michael Pennick because

599
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I believe he can be a franchise quarterback. If you

600
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Speaker 1: don't believe he is one, go to next year. That's

601
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: that's a fine argument too.

602
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: But you can't just say I think he is a

603
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: potential franchise quarterback on talent. But unfortunately, no, you.

604
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: Got to consider, you got to consider the whole makeup.

605
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen his knee. I wouldn't even know

606
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Speaker 1: what to make of it if I did. I'm not

607
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: a doctor, but I'm going off the reports, which are

608
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: he cleared testing at the combine. I'm working under that assumption.

609
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Speaker 1: I would take him at six if he's if he's

610
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: the last chance. Now, if I'm at six and JJ

611
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: McCarthy's still there, I maybe find a team that wants

612
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: to trade up to take McCarthy, I move back and

613
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: I take Pennix a little later. Maybe you know, a

614
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: double trade back. But if Pennix is you don't get

615
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: to say Pennix is too rich at six. But I

616
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: need them to walk out of this draft with the

617
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: starting quarterback.

618
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 2: Why not?

619
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Speaker 1: Because that may what if that's the only option.

620
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: Because two other guys. I mean, I'm not a spencer

621
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: because but I like bo Nicks a little bit more

622
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: than you do. Do you think Bonix would be a

623
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. No, but I think be a starter starting

624
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL. If you you're saying they need

625
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: to come out of this, Kirk Cousins, Derek, if.

626
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: You're saying they need to come out of this with that,

627
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that's very generous. If you're saying they need

628
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: to come out of this so much, he's so boring.

629
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Speaker 2: So that doesn't mean he doesn't do anything. What did

630
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: he do? Well, that's also their offense. Right, we've been

631
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: down that road with Justin Herbert and what could happen?

632
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Mac Jones. No, I'm saying way different.

633
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Speaker 1: Six point zero a dot? Come on, what did he do?

634
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's go look at at Justin Herbert's a dot

635
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: at Oregon. All right, Bonicks is not is not I'm

636
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: not saying that, but that's just there. They're a quick

637
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: game offense, like that's what they do. I saw enough

638
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: of Bonix at Auburn to know who Bonix is, Okay,

639
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean like Jayden Danny Like, then

640
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: you're out on Jayden Daniels because him at Arizona State

641
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: was not good either.

642
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't think Arizona State was so okay, couple fair,

643
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: couple things. I don't think Arizona State was the program

644
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Auburn was.

645
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: At the time since Cam Newton.

646
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: I also think Jaydeen Bonix didn't show growth. He just

647
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: did different things. Jane Dingels showed legitimate growth.

648
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: That's fair. I think bon Knicks Bonix is Bonnicks. He

649
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: is what he is and there as a Day two pick.

650
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: That's that's where you should be taking those guys like

651
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: that's the the mac.

652
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Jones Bonix and the d Bonix at day two pick.

653
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: But a day two pick is not a franchise quarterback,

654
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: so to the people says quarterbacks. So and again, if

655
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: this is my I have fringe, fringe starter.

656
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: Oh I think he has starter potential, Like I'm gonna

657
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: starter potential. Okay, but you don't know anybody's has to

658
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Like any of these guys could just bust out and

659
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: not be anything. Okay.

660
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: So but to get back to the point, if you're

661
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: aseybody saying the Patriots need to come out of this

662
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: draft with a franchise quarterback, Yes, there is a scenario,

663
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and we'll go through our our mock drafts here in

664
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: a minute. Yeah, there is a scenario. If the Patriots

665
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: trade back, they like, if you take Trake May, you've

666
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: got your potential franchise quarterback.

667
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: Great.

668
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: This is more talking about the trade, which I don't

669
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: think will happen. We're spending all the time on something

670
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. This is what that's what we do,

671
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: right because we're in our bag right now. If there

672
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: is a real scenario, yes where it's Michael Pennix at

673
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: six or no franchise quarterbacks, and the noises you're making

674
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: are why you don't trade down at all, and just

675
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: you can't. The bag isn't a guarantee either. Three first

676
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: round picks, great, you still got to hit on those picks,

677
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: and those picks are just as scary as this one.

678
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: If here here's my final take on Peix, and then

679
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: we can, we're gonna argue and not we're not budgeting

680
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: neither one of us here.

681
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one more thing after this,

682
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: but okay.

683
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: Here's my take on Penix. If he's the second player

684
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: that they draft in the draft, I'm all in. I

685
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: don't think there's a way they can do that. If

686
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: it's roma Dunsay with Penix, I know that's Felger. Felger, Yeah,

687
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna say yesterday. I actually love that. I

688
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: love that too.

689
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: I just don't think it can happen unless you're on

690
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the borrow from the future. And are you in the

691
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: barrow from the future for that.

692
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think what's to me what's tougher about it

693
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: is getting a douneesay, because I think you could trade

694
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: from eleven for eleven and twenty three with Minnesota. Yeah,

695
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: and I'm a little bit more wary of Pennis than you.

696
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: So I think there's a chance that Penix will be

697
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: there at twenty three.

698
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: But maybe, but what if he here's maybe? Are you

699
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: willing to bet your job they'll be there at twenty three?

700
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: No?

701
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: And you still have to get from eleven to six?

702
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: All right, So but that's the bigger problem to me.

703
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: The problem is is more that a Dunsay is not

704
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: making it to allow.

705
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: You'd have to get from twenty three up to like

706
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: six seven eight somehow in order to do that.

707
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Why to get a doonesday? No, I think No, Well,

708
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: you'd have to get from eleven.

709
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: You mean, but you just said you're not willing to

710
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: bet your job on Penix being there at twenty three.

711
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to bet my job on anything because

712
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't know enough. I don't know. I know, we

713
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: do know how that goes back to my brain, But

714
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: I I think the biggest thing is is that that

715
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: that duo is really tough to do it. Just in now,

716
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: could I be talked into Penis at eleven? I feel

717
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: a little bit better about it because you at least

718
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: you still got that's more realistic. You at least you

719
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: still got the bag in the trade, right. I think

720
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: the biggest thing for me is, I see and I

721
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: think this is, you know, we kind of finally got

722
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: it out of us, right. I think the biggest thing

723
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: to me is that going from three to six I

724
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: think is absolutely useless trade for the Patriots because you're

725
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: just not gonna sit. You're simply not getting enough.

726
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh see, I think eleven, going back to eleven and

727
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: twenty three is useless. Why because now you're you're getting

728
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: two really good parterhaps but you're out of the They

729
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: need a blue chip guy. You're out of there, unless

730
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe Oli I think.

731
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: Could be there. I mean, I'm not like big on

732
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: them taking brock Bowers just because I don't think it

733
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense, But I think olif a

734
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: Shan who could definitely be there, I think brock Bowers

735
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: will be there. Yeah, you like that sort of thing.

736
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: It's gotta be all Harrison, neighbors a dudes.

737
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: If you don't go quarterback. I just feel like going

738
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 2: from three to six, So who you're taking at six,

739
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: probably neighbor I would take all. I think they would

740
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: take neighbors. I don't think all it will be there.

741
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: I think I'll go to the Chargers. But that's so

742
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: I also think that I don't think the Chargers are

743
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: picking five. I don't think that's happening. Okay, But the

744
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: main point is is that three to six, you're gonna

745
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: get a little bit of something something. Maybe you get

746
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: a future first.

747
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: That Giants first round pick next year could be.

748
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: But the Giants ship. The Giants are coming up to

749
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: take your quarterback.

750
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but have you seen what they have? Nothing out there?

751
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: They're roster's worts. The Patriots their offensive ors the Patriots,

752
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: I just I don't best offense. The player might retire

753
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: before camp.

754
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get anything, is my point. Like, going

755
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: from three to six, does you.

756
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Think you don't undersell that first round pick from the

757
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Giants next year. Don't undersell that. And I'd assume you'd

758
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: get their second this year too, so you get whatever

759
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that is thirty trade, you'd get thirty something, you'd get

760
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: six thirty something.

761
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: You're trading out of a future first, future third to

762
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: probably take one of these receivers, who, granted is gonna

763
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: be a good player, and then you're not picking again

764
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: until thirty four, which I definitely agree with you at

765
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: this point. Well, but I mean out of the ideally,

766
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: just like where do you go?

767
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: So you're also gonna get the Giants second in that trade,

768
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna get their first and second this year,

769
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: their first next year, and maybe their third next year.

770
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: Right, So I think yes to go up three spots.

771
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: Based on the historical context of that move, like past trades.

772
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: That's more so hate that trade.

773
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: Ideally, if you made that trade, I think the Giants

774
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: have thirty nine, whatever their second round pick is. You

775
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: would package thirty four to thirty nine whatever it is,

776
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: in something else and move back up into the late first.

777
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: You wouldn't pick a third four and thirty nine.

778
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: I hate that. I hate that.

779
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. One more thing, I want

780
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: to ask you for move on from this, because Felber

781
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: asked me, Yeah, what is a bigger reach? Yeah, Michael,

782
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna all right two parts. What is a bigger reach?

783
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox at thirteen or JJ McCarthy at three.

784
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: That's a good question, m It's pretty comparable.

785
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Honestly, Oh, come on, consider who you're passing on in

786
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: each scenario. It's if you're taking jj.

787
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: I would you know, I'm gonna say whichever side is

788
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: negative towards McCarthy. So I guess, well, the bigger reach

789
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: is McCarthy at three. Here's what But if you really

790
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: look at like if you stack together a big board

791
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: in their prospects, McCarthy is probably the twenty fifth best

792
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: prospect in this draft, I would say, and Pennix is

793
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: probably in the thirties. You just said you have Pennix

794
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: ahead of McCarthy. Yeah, I do, But I was talking

795
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: about the board is in that situation, Yeah, you're taking

796
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: McCarthy over Daniels or May. Yeah, which isn't to me.

797
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: And and we have questions.

798
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: So you have to consider who's beat who you're part

799
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: of it being a reach is who are you taking.

800
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: The Patriots instead of I'm comfortable with saying this the

801
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Patriots taking McCarthy over Daniels or May is borderline fire.

802
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: Double yeah, all right, Second, it's unacceptable. Now in three years,

803
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: if I'm totally wrong and they're right, then good for them,

804
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: Like they did a better job at this than I did.

805
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: You know, I'll tip the cap and I'll admit that

806
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: I'll I was wrong and I'll fall on the sword.

807
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: But the information that we know going into the draft

808
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: about these guys, putting McCarthy ahead of either one of

809
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: those guys on your board is malpracticed to me. That's

810
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: to me. And so any scenario where you're taking McCarthy

811
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: over Daniels or May, I'm out there all right.

812
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: So you so McCarthy at three is a bigger reach

813
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: than Pennis at thirteen? Sure, okay, McCarthy at three or

814
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: Penis at six?

815
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: Why do I have to pick those? What's a bit?

816
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: No, what's a bigger reach?

817
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: Pennis at six?

818
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: So you would rather take McCarthy over Drake May, then

819
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 1: take Pennix at six.

820
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: I don't know why those are my only two options.

821
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: Because Felger asked this to me and I thought it

822
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: was a great question. But there's on my I have

823
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: other options. I'm just could take Marvin Harrison junior if

824
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: I didn't like the quarterbacks, Like, why do I have this?

825
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: What is a bigger reach?

826
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: No?

827
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: You be you're dodging the question what is a bigger am?

828
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: Because there's other options? Is I'm not? No one's saying

829
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: that you have It doesn't have to.

830
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Be the Patriots in a bubble any team, what would

831
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: you consider to be a worse decision McCarthy at three

832
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: with mayor Daniels on the board or Penis at six,

833
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: mcar three assuming penis.

834
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: Carthy at three, but Pennis at six is also not

835
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: a good decision. Okay, but McCarthy.

836
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: A Penis at six, assuming McCarthy's off the board, so

837
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: he's now the next quarterback up.

838
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: Obviously, the main thing is is I I just can't

839
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: live in a world where they're passing on Daniels or

840
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: May for McCarthy.

841
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: And that was what I said to Felger yesterday. That's

842
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: ultimately that's too significant of a reach.

843
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So the other thing that we wanted

844
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: to do today, well, I actually one more thing of

845
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: news because we just got down by that per usual. No, no,

846
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: so I was telling you about this before, But so

847
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Bob mckinn, long time NFL reporter. Every year he writes

848
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: a great article about some of the draft prospects where

849
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: he interviews scouts people around the league anonymously, and they

850
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: this is not the the what's the word for it,

851
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: This is not the PG version of the draft. This

852
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: is this is what we really what we really think

853
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: of this kid version of the draft. So some of

854
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: the biggest one is about Adie Mitchell, which I'll get

855
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: to a second. A couple of them, though Troy Franklin

856
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: does not have a lot of support right now amongst scouts,

857
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: according to mcgainn, who early on that one has a

858
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: lot of criticism play strength, ball tracking, catching the football

859
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: in traffic, finishing through contact. He said, you know that

860
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: these scouts that he pulled basically made Troy flank and

861
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: sound like Taekwon Thorn right like that. Then he's gonna

862
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: I wonder who was early on that one. Run straight

863
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: in a fast line and that's about it, or yeah,

864
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: run fast in a straight line. There we go and

865
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: that's about it. The other big one, the biggest one,

866
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: and I think that this pertains a lot to the

867
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Patriots just because we've talked about this player a ton

868
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: is Adie Mitchell, who according to these scouts is a

869
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: diabetic and other guys in the league have been diabetics before. Yeah,

870
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: it's not the first time, but I guess with Mitchell,

871
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: you have to really you know, these scouts are saying

872
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: that you have to really stay on top of it

873
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: because his mood swings depending on how he is in

874
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: terms of his health. And I think the biggest thing

875
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: I'm again I always am wary of these reports because

876
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. I don't know Adie Mitchell personally.

877
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to slander the kid, right right, But

878
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: the biggest thing I think is with him, there were

879
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: questions from people on the outside, like I said, are

880
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: just watching the film and studying these guys and getting

881
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: to know these guys about why this six foot two,

882
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: two hundred and five pound receiver with the four to

883
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: three wasn't more productive in his college career. And I

884
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: think that some of the things that they painted of

885
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: him were that his effort level and his focus and

886
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: his drive and all those things can come and go.

887
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what we saw in film

888
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: at times, honestly, that there are times where he takes

889
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: routes off. So I think the biggest thing with Adie

890
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: Mitchell is and this is also as you would expect,

891
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton was also in this and not a very

892
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: positive light, yea. And with Adie Mitchell, I think the

893
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: biggest thing is is that the right culture fit for

894
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: this Patriots team where girod Meyo in particular, has emphasized

895
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: culture so much like that's gonna be really important to

896
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: them is having the right attitude and having the right

897
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: guys and leadership in the locker room. If you're going

898
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: to use a high pick on Adie Mitchell and he's

899
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: going to have to be babysat throughout his NFL career

900
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: as talent as he is, is this something that could

901
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: potentially take him off the Patriots radar?

902
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean maybe Mitchell right, yes, yeah, maybe I feel

903
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: how well do they feel they can manage it? I

904
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: think that is something you discussed with your you know,

905
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: strength conditioning staff, nutritional staff, and it's like, do we

906
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: think we can have a plan for him? And if

907
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: they do, and they just kind of overhauled the UH

908
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning staff, right, Moses Cabrera out, Yeah, Doron

909
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Mayo promoted. If they think they can have a plan,

910
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: they may see it as a value thing. If they

911
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: don't think they can have a plan, then yeah, he

912
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: might be off their board.

913
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: It's tough because these questions went around. You look at

914
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: the analytics in terms of production, you look at the

915
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: box score, there's something missing from that profile, like this

916
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: guy that's under two yards per route run. One of

917
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: the worst in this class amongst like these top guys.

918
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Is when you watch him on film, you know, just explosive,

919
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: awesome route running ability, change a direction, ability for his size,

920
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: catch points, stuff like he could do it all and

921
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: he just wasn't overly productive with it.

922
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think something that he was buried at Georgia

923
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: and then it's not like he was a number one

924
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: at Texas. They had Worthy and Sanders like that ball

925
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: was spreading there quite a bit and they had a

926
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: backup quarterback for part of the year. But that could

927
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: be part of it as well.

928
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, they said, here's the exact quote. He's kind

929
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: of going to do it is his own way. He's

930
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of a wild horse. You've got to

931
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: see if you can harness him.

932
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: In so that they and they haven't met with him, right, no,

933
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: all right, so maybe get the combine, but not for that.

934
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: That's where I wonder maybe how interested they are with that,

935
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: because that's kind of guy you want to meet with

936
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: and talked about how you're managing this.

937
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: You know, what do you do, what don't you do?

938
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: How open would you be to you know, trying some

939
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: new ways to manage it, things like that.

940
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: So the other thing, so I didn't have Troy flank

941
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: I published my big board earlier this week. I took

942
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: Troy Flanklon off because if you want to make the

943
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton mistake twice in a three year span, that's

944
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: on you. I'm not doing it exactly. You know, if

945
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: you want to draft that same exact body type, and yes,

946
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin is a better route runner than Taekwon Thornton

947
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: is coming into the league. But if you want to

948
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: take that same exact body type and expect different results,

949
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: that's on you. That's how I look at that. The

950
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: other guy that I didn't have on my board that

951
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: might have been a little bit of surprised was Jermaine Burton,

952
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: who I took off for these exact reasons. According to McGinn,

953
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: he pulled it in. At least two teams have Jermaine

954
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: Burton completely off their board for character concerns. There was

955
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: that incident after a game right at Alabama where he

956
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: got into where he got into with some fans coming

957
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: off the field. So there's some real, real talent there,

958
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: probably a top fifty pick in terms of pure talent

959
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: on film with Jermaine Burton, but another one of those

960
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: guys that I can't really envision them picking. So Adie Mitchell,

961
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: I still think the talent is so good that maybe

962
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: they overlook it and think they can manage it, like

963
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: you said, But I would say that those three guys, Mitchell, Franklin,

964
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: Burton are three guys I'm sure a lot of people

965
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: that listen to our show have mocked to the Patriots,

966
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: have put on the Patriots radar, and I don't know

967
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: if those last two, specifically Franklin and Burton, are going

968
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: to be on there. Yeah toughs, Yeah, all right. So

969
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: the other thing we wanted to do today was a

970
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: top ten mock draft, and I have a feeling that

971
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: my top ten mod draft is very different from alex

972
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: Is because I don't have nearly as many trades as

973
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure you Okay, me too, so I was totally wrong,

974
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: but I think we have a different trade. So this

975
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: is probably the only time I'm gonna do this, but

976
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: it is a top ten, uh, and you know, just

977
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: we'll go pick by pick obviously, I think one by

978
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: one to one is we probably probably have Caleb Williams.

979
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't think we have to really discuss that all

980
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: too much. Is there anything? Is there anything that worries

981
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: you about Caleb beyond take the nail polish and the

982
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: pink phone case out of it. But in terms of

983
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: his film, is there any reason to think that this

984
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: is a bad decision by the No.

985
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's It's not to say he's perfect, Like

986
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: he's got to get more used to playing in structure,

987
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: Like just the wild stuff isn't gonna work. It'll work

988
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but not with the regularity did the USC.

989
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: But that's I mean there's a lot of guys that

990
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: come into the NFL make that adjustment. I know, everybody

991
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: always the next Ma Homes and that and that, blah

992
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: blah blah. My comp form and I'm sticking with this

993
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: is like prime Russell Wilson, not current Russell Wilson, but

994
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: like Seahawks leaving them to Super Bowls Russell Wilson. I

995
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: think that's the kind of player the Bears should plan

996
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: on getting and build around.

997
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good comp because I think you hear

998
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: a lot of Patrick Mahomes and I know that that's

999
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: lofty sun realist I think you hear a lot of

1000
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, which I also think is kind of lost.

1001
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably a ceiling, yeah yeah, but that's

1002
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: still Rogers. Also, when Rogers is also a bigger guy,

1003
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: he is like Caleb Williams kind of small he is.

1004
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: That's the one reason why the Russell Wilson comp probably

1005
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: works the best out of all of them is because

1006
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: they're both relatively the same size. Caleb short, I mean

1007
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: he's measured in that's six to one, right, he was

1008
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: little over six feet I think I want to say,

1009
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: like six feet in five E's okay, I don't know

1010
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: how right I am about that.

1011
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking, but yeah, I think he's I think Russell

1012
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: Wilson is what you should be aiming for for the Bears,

1013
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: like build that kind of offense.

1014
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that he has the ability to

1015
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: be Russell Wilson for longer than Russell Wilson was Russell Wilson,

1016
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Like, I think his window in

1017
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: the league will be a little bit longer than Russ's.

1018
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: Russ dropped off.

1019
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Real quick, right, well, and you know Bears high as

1020
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: their offenseive coordinator.

1021
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's his shame Qualdron. Yeah, Russell Wilson all

1022
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: of a sudden just went like this, Well.

1023
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: The Seahawk, Oh no, number. I was gonna say, Seahawks

1024
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: stops they have talent, but they didn't. You're right, you

1025
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: have weapons on offense.

1026
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: All right. That brings us to the commander.

1027
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com is Caleb at six to one, all right.

1028
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: I thought he was like barely under zure Line has

1029
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: his compass Kyler Murray. I don't know about that. I

1030
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: don't think he runs quite as well. I don't think

1031
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: he runs quite as well. And I think he's tougher. Yeah,

1032
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: well he's bigger.

1033
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he can, he'll absorb the hits more.

1034
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: I can see where some of the tools line up

1035
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: a little bit mobility play extension because he's coming from

1036
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: that Cliff Kingsbury offense. But there's there's a little elements there.

1037
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: I still like Russell Wilson's the cop. So that brings

1038
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: us to the commanders at two, who basically control the

1039
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: patriots fate in this draft. I think what the commanders do.

1040
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: I know there's been reporting anything. Schrager said it, who's

1041
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: usually pretty plugged in with the with the landscape, that

1042
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots would probably be happy with either Daniels or

1043
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing that, not because I

1044
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: have any inside information. I just feel like you have

1045
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 2: to have a preference. There has to be a guy

1046
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: that you really.

1047
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: Have a preference and still think the other guy's good.

1048
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just feel like they I think there's

1049
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: a chance that if Washington takes their guy there trading

1050
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: out of that pick, and if they don't, thenk they

1051
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: take the quarterback. They could think both.

1052
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: No, they can absolutely think both they're worthy of the

1053
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: third overall pick. They can like one guy more so.

1054
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Let's say they really like Drake May right, really really

1055
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: really like Drake may that's the guy. And so how

1056
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams goes third. You're telling me they trade out

1057
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: of the pick because he's not.

1058
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: No, no, But I'm talking about these two guys, and

1059
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: so you.

1060
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: Don't think there's a chance that they believe Daniels.

1061
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: Is worth a third overall pick. I think there's a

1062
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: chance that they think Daniels is worth though third overall

1063
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: pick on talent. I have real concerns about him, an

1064
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt, I just have concerns about and I

1065
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 2: understand that some people are gonna hear that and say,

1066
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: come on, like you just take the best player available

1067
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: and you figure it out. What I'd say, I think

1068
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: that's easier said than done, just as somebody that I'm

1069
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: not a coach, but as somebody that that talks to

1070
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: these guys and understands how it works. Building a system

1071
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: for a quarterback that doesn't fit your system that you've

1072
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: been running for the past twenty years and is your

1073
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: bones of your your foundation in the NFL, that's really

1074
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: difficult to do. And I look at the Bears before

1075
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: this with Justin Fields. They messed this up with Justin Fields,

1076
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: and they essentially tried to put Justin Fields in that

1077
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: Luke Getsy offense. That was what the Green Bay Packers

1078
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: are running with Jordan Love right now, and ran with

1079
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers before that, which is what Alex Van Pelt

1080
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: wants to run. And they tried to make Justin Fields

1081
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: into that thing. And what it happened. I look at

1082
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, is Alex van Pelkin and all of a

1083
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: sudden become a spread savant like is he can all

1084
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden become a more of like a college

1085
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: style offense that he's going to be running you know

1086
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: what LSU was running, and you know what the Eagles

1087
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: kind of run, or one of those types of teams.

1088
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: I just have a tough time with that pairing of

1089
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: Daniels and Van Pell. I've had that concern the entire time,

1090
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: which is why I've always leaned towards May. Yeah, with

1091
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: that being said, I think one of the interesting things

1092
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: about the command h Breer I think was first on

1093
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: this they had like an outing, like a Top thirty

1094
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: visit outing where every top golf at top Golf, your

1095
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: your your place. They had everybody at once. All the

1096
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: prospects came at one time, not separate individual visits like

1097
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: everybody else does. They had they basically had the Bachelor.

1098
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: They had the Bachelor for quarterbacks. I don't think it

1099
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: was just quarterbacks. I think it was like twenty prospects,

1100
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: who gets the rose, Jane Daniels, who gets the Rose?

1101
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: So it's Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, JJ McCarthy, and I

1102
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: think Pennix is there too. Oh yeah, yeah, Drake Mayor.

1103
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: All four of those guys are there except bo Nicks

1104
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: is boring, and it's it's it's literally survivor, it's the Bachelor,

1105
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: it's who gets the rose, which I to me. But yeah,

1106
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about this a little bit off

1107
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: the air, like why do this? The only reason that

1108
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 2: I can come up with is that mister back words

1109
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 2: hat dan Quinn, who I know, is like a football hard.

1110
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh like I'm not. He's not a bad coach, but

1111
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: he's that's just his thing. He's a hard oh, let's

1112
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: face it. And I think he wants to see who

1113
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: the alpha is.

1114
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Can I give you one other reason I thought of? Yeah,

1115
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: because they already know who they're taking. This is just

1116
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: a smoke screen. They already know who they want. They

1117
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: don't need the meeting.

1118
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: Who are they as smoke screening? They have the second

1119
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: overall pick, and the first overall pick.

1120
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Is a lock.

1121
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: They just they didn't want to out there. I think

1122
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: that dan Quinn, who's the guy that everybody looks at,

1123
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, and leads the show.

1124
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: Then JJ McCarthy, you're Washington commander. It is possible that's

1125
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: that's how everybody sees his kid, apparently.

1126
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: I think in some ways, But if I if I

1127
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: had to guess out of that group just because I

1128
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: did have some interaction with Drake May and Jaden Daniels

1129
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: at their proteins, so I did get I'm not saying

1130
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: I know them I as friends, but I do see

1131
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: how they move. If I had to guess who's the

1132
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: guy that walks into the room and everybody is the showstopper, yeah,

1133
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably Jaden. Yeah, it seems like

1134
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: that's kind of the way they talked about it, because

1135
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: he's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's, you know, has that

1136
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: superstar swag to him already. I think Drake May's got

1137
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: a great attitude too. But Drake May's kind of still

1138
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: a kid. He's kind of still that happy, go lucky

1139
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: Southern kid, right, big smile on his face all the time,

1140
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: a lot of energy, whereas with Jaden, Jaden walks into

1141
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: the room and has this kind of swagger to him

1142
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: where it's calm, cool. Reminds me so much of like

1143
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, like you know, like a basket like a

1144
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: star NBA player, where it's not necessary. He's not gonna

1145
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: get up in front of the team and give a speech.

1146
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, he's not gonna be Tom Brady going up

1147
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: and down the sideline saying we got to play harder

1148
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: and tougher and whatever. He's gonna be the I got

1149
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: this guy. Yeah, you know, And I think that that's

1150
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: when you get into those types of groups. I have

1151
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: the Commanders taking Jayden and knows two overall, I'm assuming

1152
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: you have the same thing. And also, like all the

1153
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: smoke from Schefter, a lot of smoke go by the jersey.

1154
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can pencil him in.

1155
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Schefter knows something. He's always not He's not always right

1156
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: on the draft though, you know something.

1157
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: He's been pretty out there about this.

1158
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you going back to the whole thing

1159
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: about the scheme fit and things like that, and then

1160
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: we'll move on to the Patriots. Yeah, that's the other thing.

1161
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: He's a better fit for Kingsbury. I don't think you

1162
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: hire Kingsbury unless that's the way you think you're going right.

1163
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 2: You know, you're you're gonna implement a spread, You're gonna

1164
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: implement a college offense. You know what they ranted Arizona,

1165
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: what they ranted usc Arizona, like with the Cardinals. I

1166
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: just don't think you do that and then draft like

1167
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: a prototypical right, you know, NFL quarterback like Drake May.

1168
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: So that brings us to three and shocker, I have

1169
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: the Patriots taking Drake May. I'll just come out and

1170
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: say it. I have the Patriots taking Drake. Every single

1171
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: time I try to think of trade downson and packages

1172
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: and how they could pivot off this pick and then

1173
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: still get what they need as a team, I still

1174
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: feel as though you were you're shopping at the dollar

1175
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 2: store for what you ultimately need, which is a franchise quarterback,

1176
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: and I can't I can't get to moving off the

1177
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: pick now. Like I said earlier in the show, if

1178
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: somebody calls Minnesota calls, they offer four first round picks,

1179
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: and Justin Jefferson like obviously they probably would take the deal.

1180
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: But it's gonna have to be a true RG three

1181
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: godfather type offer from not not what the Bears got

1182
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: last year for Bryce. No, it's gonna have to be more.

1183
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: And I just ultimately think that from all angles, just

1184
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: sticking and picking the quarterback that happens to just be

1185
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: the best fit probably that the pick could produce, and

1186
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: Drake May I think makes the most sense.

1187
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: And I also think that JJ McCarthy hype hurts the

1188
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: Patriots here because it would be one thing if the

1189
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: drop off was after me and this is your last

1190
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: chance to get the guy. There's gonna be some teams

1191
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: and it sounds like Minnesota might be one of them

1192
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: that say, all right, you know j J. McCarthy, same tier, Yeah,

1193
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: same tier quarterback. We'll figure out a way to get him.

1194
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: We're not gonna pay this price.

1195
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Minnesota. There was a I think it was Jeremy

1196
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: Fowler through out there, that they're trying to make this

1197
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: tray without twenty three in the deal. Yeah, get out

1198
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: of here. And obviously it's it's within their totally within

1199
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: their right to offer less, right, and that's what you do.

1200
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: You don't just come out with your best offer right away.

1201
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: We all know that in any walk of life. But

1202
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: I think that they are more inclined to making a

1203
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: smallish leap instead of a jump, you know, like going

1204
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: from eleven to seven, eight nine, right, instead of a

1205
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: monster J Well, there so four Arizona Cardinals. I still

1206
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: think it's Marvin Harrison. I have Marvin Harrison too, can

1207
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: I tell you what? So?

1208
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: This is where I'm like, all right, because the league

1209
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: and I don't see it this way, but the league

1210
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: sees it as the second tier, assuming Caleb Williams his

1211
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: own thing is Jane Daniels, Drake May and JJ McCarthy.

1212
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: So now you're in the range where to teams panic

1213
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: and they want the quarterback. And I would argue penixes

1214
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: in that tier and you shouldn't panic. But wouldn't be

1215
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: the first time teams just blown it on a quarterback

1216
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: and screwed up when it comes to quarterback. That being said,

1217
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals already have two first round picks in this draft.

1218
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: They got a haul last year and they moved back.

1219
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: At a certain point, you got to start drafting players.

1220
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: You have a very special talent on the board. You're

1221
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: trying to maximize that you can get out of Kyler Murray.

1222
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: They have no wide receivers. Maybe they get the Godfather

1223
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: off or that massive Hall, but I think they're gonna

1224
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: be as tough to sway as anybody.

1225
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: And I think they take Harrison at for so I

1226
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: have Harrison at four too. I have them sticking and

1227
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 2: picking Harrison. I agree with everything you said. I would

1228
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: just add on top of that, I don't believe it

1229
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: with McCarthy. I've never have, I never will. Oh I

1230
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: believe different. So why do you believe the league believes it? No, oh,

1231
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: I think there are teams that believe it. I think

1232
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: that McCarthy is mac Jones. I don't think he's Will Levis.

1233
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he's fallen that far. I think he's

1234
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: Zack Wilson. It's possible, but I think the difference. I

1235
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: see a lot of similarities with McCarthy and Zack Wilson

1236
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: as players. I know people say that and are like,

1237
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: that's that's really mean, Like that's even mean than me

1238
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: saying Brock Purty, right, But well, that's the ceiling. The

1239
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: difference was Zack Wilson is an immature kid like Zach

1240
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: Wilson is between the years. I really believe that. I

1241
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: think Zach Wilson had all the physical talent in the

1242
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: world to make it in the league. He was immature

1243
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: and didn't approach it the right way and doesn't have

1244
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: it between the years. So I think teams might look

1245
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: at McCarthy and say, Zack Wilson's skill set with intangible.

1246
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: So but that's why I'm saying I think teams will

1247
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: buy the hype. I think teams are buying the hype

1248
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: in terms of you know me, personally, I have a

1249
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: second round grade on JJ McCarthy, the league, I quarterback tax, everything,

1250
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: you know, all things considered, I think that dead ends

1251
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: up making him a top fifteen pick. I'm just not

1252
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: ready to say that he's going to be the third

1253
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: or fourth overall pick in the draft. Third or fourth, No,

1254
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: I think some teams might get carried away. We'll get

1255
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: to that in a second. So the Arizona Cardinals, but

1256
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: the Cardinals are not one of them yet. Long way

1257
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: to Grandma's house. The Arizona Cardinals I don't think are

1258
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: gonna get the hall that they would need to move

1259
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: off the pick.

1260
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: The Cardinals have probably the easiest job of anybody in

1261
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: this draft, Like like they have they can roll out

1262
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: chalk for twenty three or whatever it's twenty seven for

1263
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty seven, Yeah, you had a great day. Like it's

1264
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: so simple, paint by number for them to have a

1265
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: great draft.

1266
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: So Marvin Harrison junior to the Cardinals, which I think,

1267
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: like you had said, they're still trying Kyler Murray right now, right,

1268
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: So if they can give him a generational receiver like Harrison,

1269
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 2: maybe that is the difference that he was great with Hopkins, right,

1270
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, so I think that there's a real chance

1271
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: that that gets Kyler back to Kyler.

1272
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: And the other thing is if you're worried about next

1273
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: year and maybe you want a quarter back in the future,

1274
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: you trade twenty seven and you pick up future assets. Yeah.

1275
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: I still think they could add to their quarterback room

1276
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: later in the draft, Like there are a team that

1277
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: like a Spencer Rattler makes a ton of sense, makes

1278
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: a ton of s. Yeah, there, because you might as

1279
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: well just throw the dart and he's he's similar.

1280
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: We're like, you're not gonna have change a bunch with

1281
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: him similar skill set.

1282
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so we both have so far we really

1283
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: have chalk. We have chalk, Caleb. This is where it's

1284
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: gonna change. Jaden Drake May at three, Yeah, Marvin Harrison

1285
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: Junior at four, Jim harbuzz now on the line, Yeah, five,

1286
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: fifth overall to.

1287
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: The Chargers, trading out, trading out. Chargers are not making

1288
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: this pick. They have too many needs and not enough money.

1289
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: Make the case they.

1290
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: Need multiple picks.

1291
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: Okay, who has multiple picks to offer Minnesota, who desperately

1292
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: needs a quarterback and who actually has a contending window

1293
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: right now and can afford to get over aggressive. Yeah,

1294
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: Minnesota who supposedly really likes JJ McCarthy, Minnesota, who would

1295
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: love to see JJ McCarthy be a top five pick

1296
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: to legitimate, legitimate fi whatever, for the word is legitimize.

1297
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: All his delusions is all him. It's all works too

1298
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: good for her, perfectly j McCarthy to be the fifth

1299
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: overall pick, and he gets a haul. For JJ McCarthy,

1300
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: then good for Jim Harbox. So he played the game

1301
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: better than anybody. Chris Ja it's the Kardashian mom. Chris Jenner, Yeah,

1302
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: it's some Chris Jenner type stuff. Curtains, isn't that the

1303
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: thing everybody's like, Oh, Chris Jenner, Like she chose the

1304
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: mastermind behind the whole thing?

1305
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: That mrsly So it would be in this case because

1306
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: it is a few picks later and he is the

1307
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: last quarterback on the board, there's no choice. I assuming

1308
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: they like as the league sees.

1309
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: It, I would still go Pennix.

1310
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be eleven twenty three next year's first. That's

1311
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: it for five.

1312
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense. I thought about it. It

1313
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. I think the one thing

1314
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: for Jim Harbadough that I keep going back to is

1315
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: those comments at the owner's meetings about offensive line. But

1316
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: here's the thing.

1317
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: There's so many tackles and you're not moving back that far,

1318
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: and they could move back up.

1319
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: It's a good tackle draft if you ask me, there's

1320
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: only one Joe alt.

1321
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: There's but okay, but here's the thing. They have a

1322
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: really good left tackle. That's the only thing they have

1323
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: that's true. So so maybe they may be more incline

1324
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: to target a guy like Wuwonga, who I think is

1325
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: a very realistic pick at eleven, especially now with the

1326
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: Jets have added some offensive lineman and free agency, and

1327
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: then they also get to go twenty three eighty Mitchell,

1328
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: maybe Brian Thomas falls. You restock that wide receiver room

1329
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: and now you're rolling. So it makes all the sense

1330
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: in the world for the Chargers.

1331
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: I have the Chargers taking Joe Altier. Okay, I just

1332
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: think that Jim Harbaugh is an offensive line guy moving

1333
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: a right tackle, he I would say probably alt which

1334
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: that bums me out. I think in today's NFL, though,

1335
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you gotta be able

1336
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: to block both both sides.

1337
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: But you can get a real right tackle.

1338
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: Plus that's a really good combo him and Slator. That's

1339
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: it's not as good as all.

1340
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: I think you don't have a guy changing positions. We

1341
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: know how tough that is for lineman.

1342
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's so all, is so perfect as a

1343
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: tackle that I don't think changing positions is like equal

1344
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: for him. Like I think that he'll do that easily.

1345
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: So you'd rather have Joe Alt than Fuanga and Brian

1346
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: Johnson Brian Thomas.

1347
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second, Okay, I I

1348
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: think joealt here just because of I can hear your

1349
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: trade package. I almost did it myself. But I just

1350
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: look at Joe Alt as such a Harbaugh pick, Like

1351
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: Harbaugh wants to build the trenches. He wants to run

1352
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: the football. He wants to be that type of tone

1353
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: setting team, just like they were in Michigan. And it's

1354
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: gonna it's either gonna make Justin Herbert uber efficient with

1355
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: the dropbacks that he gets, or Henna is gonna basically

1356
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: put a muzzle on Justin Herbert. I don't know which

1357
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: way it's gonna go. That's what he did with JJ McCarthy.

1358
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: According to all the scouts that say that j. J.

1359
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: McCarthy's got all this untapped potential right is this is

1360
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 2: the whole argument. I just think that when you talk

1361
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: about Joe Alt, I put Joe Aalt in a similar

1362
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: tier as Marvin Harrison in terms of his position, Like

1363
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: this is this is a three D printer version of

1364
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: a left tackle or a right tackle. I guess in

1365
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: this case, you just literally asked a scientist, hey, make

1366
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: me a franchise left tackle for the next ten years,

1367
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: and he would print out Joalt.

1368
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: I just I think they have a good left tackle.

1369
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: They can get a right tackle. Plus, I think there's

1370
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: plenty of incentive to move out of that pick.

1371
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, six the New York Giants.

1372
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: So they've missed out on the quarterback run. Yes, I

1373
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 1: considered Pennix here, but given they have Daniel Jones, They're

1374
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: not like that immediate of a need. I'd put them

1375
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: on bo Nick's watch early in the second round, or

1376
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: they'd probably do something stupid like draft Joe Milton.

1377
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 2: I could see it. I could see them liking bon

1378
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: Nicks because he's very Daniel jonesy well.

1379
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: I also think they're on as long as day balls there.

1380
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: I think they're on the Joe Milton short list. Because

1381
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna sex.

1382
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: The tool much of what I did with Josh Allen

1383
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: with Joe not at six.

1384
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking later. But if you look at

1385
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: their offense, it stinks. It's worse than Patriots, and I

1386
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: don't think it's close. They have Slayton, Darius Slayton here,

1387
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: I'll pull it up.

1388
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: It's terrible. They have. Their receivers are Miles Boyken.

1389
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you the guys they do it,

1390
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: Brice Ford Wheaton, so break out your coming, Jalen Hyatt,

1391
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Mackenzie, Gunner, Oshefsky, Wandale Robinson, Darius Slayton. Their best

1392
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: pass catcher is Darren Waller, who said he might retire

1393
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: before the season starts. He hasn't made up his mind.

1394
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: The line's not much better either, so I definitely consider Oh,

1395
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: they have kid just.

1396
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: They have it's Andrew Thomas right there.

1397
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they' and Evan Neil, who they took high a

1398
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.

1399
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: I think both those guys are are very serviceable.

1400
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: So I mean, Lak neighbors next best skilled position player

1401
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: on the board, right after Merrison. That's an easy one.

1402
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: In this defon Diggs role in this offense is going

1403
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: to just destroy I really feel that way. Whether it

1404
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: makes Daniel Jones viable or not, I guess is we'll

1405
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: find out in twenty twelve, worst case scenario him for

1406
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: the next guy exactly. I just think it makes all

1407
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: the sense in the world. I don't. I don't think

1408
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: the Giants are quarterback team.

1409
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: I think they think they are. They probably shouldn't be,

1410
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: but I think they think they.

1411
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: Are because at the end of the day, you still

1412
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: have to pay Daniel Jones this year. And as much

1413
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: as I know you're just kind of talking about this

1414
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: with the injuries with Pennix, this is where ownership and

1415
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: money actually starts to get involved.

1416
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: No, I've been pushing back on everybody saying the Giants

1417
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: are quarterback team by saying, look at the contract. Ownership's

1418
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: not gonna let him.

1419
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. They they're gonna give Dan Daniel Jones one more year. Yeah,

1420
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: and then if if he flames out and he's terrible,

1421
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: then their quarterback team in twenty twenty five. So I

1422
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: love neighbors. Are they on list? I don't think I

1423
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: think so, but I love neighbors for them. I just

1424
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: think the stable that offense very very easy fit for them,

1425
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: and it gives them a receiver that they don't have

1426
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: anybody on their roster that can touch neighbors in terms

1427
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: of talent. So I have neighbors. So we have Caleb

1428
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels to the Commanders, ad to Drake made to

1429
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots at three, Marvin Harrison Junior to the Cardinals

1430
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: at four. I have all to the Chargers. You have

1431
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: Chargers trading out, and then what Minnesota McCarthy taking McCarthy

1432
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: and that, and then neighbors to the Giants, which brings

1433
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: us to another team that I have no freaking clue

1434
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. And that's the Tennessee time. Oh.

1435
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: I feel very good about this. Well, still different, So

1436
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about who I gave them because

1437
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: I think this makes the most sense. No, all right,

1438
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: because they just drafted offensive linemen. They drafted guard, they

1439
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: drafted Scronsky, and they drafted somebody else before to guard.

1440
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: They have offensive line, don't have tackles. I'm not saying

1441
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: that they don't have a need there, but to draft

1442
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: another offensive lineman again, like in the top ten of

1443
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: a draft with Skronsky I think was eleven. I don't know.

1444
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: So you have them taking a.

1445
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 1: Shot in Nope, Joel I still him on the board.

1446
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh right, you haven't taken Joe at Yeah, if Joel

1447
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: is still on the board, didn that makes sense.

1448
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: So if if it wasn't Joe Alt, I probably would

1449
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: go Brock Bowers.

1450
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay, what's his name?

1451
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: The new offensive coordinator man, Yeah, comes from head coach? Yeah,

1452
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: sorry whatever, the guy that got from Cincinnati, Brian Brian

1453
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: Callahan comes from Cincinnati where they ran. I think there

1454
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: were seventh in the league last year in twelve personnel.

1455
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, is it Brian? That doesn't sound right?

1456
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: Why are we like, why are we we cover the league?

1457
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: Right? Brain farting right now? Yeah, Brian Callahan?

1458
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Brian, I I know they have h oconquo right,

1459
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: Chigo konquo. But this is a coach that loves to

1460
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: use twelve so and Bowers would compliment him.

1461
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 2: Well.

1462
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, So their tackles are currently Jalen Duncan, John o'jukuu,

1463
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: Nicholas petite Frere, Andrew Rupsich, Lashavius Simmons, and Leroy Watson.

1464
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe I underrated their tackle need a little bit.

1465
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Skorronsky played guard for and he was good, but

1466
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: like he's the guard they've made.

1467
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, they could put the tackles next to it,

1468
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 2: next to Skaransky and then you have like a really.

1469
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: Great jolt and Scronsky that's your left side.

1470
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 2: That's yeah. And if Joelt's still on the board, then

1471
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: I can see.

1472
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: That, yeah, and that's I will acknowledge that it's a

1473
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: little bit of a fall for Joe Alt. But again,

1474
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings are gonna buy on McCarthy. I

1475
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: think they are, and that is what happens here.

1476
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: So I didn't know who to give the Titans because

1477
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: all it's off my board, right so you can't take

1478
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: all it there. I don't really I don't really know

1479
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: what they what the Titans are thinking at quarterback right now?

1480
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: Obviously all the quarterbacks are gone.

1481
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: Don't think they're gonna quarterback. They're like again a bow

1482
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: Knicks team, Spencer Rattler team.

1483
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: So are they buying into will Levis? Like what are

1484
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 2: the what are.

1485
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: The I think they want to try to give Will

1486
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: Levis a year?

1487
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: Geez? I mean they just made this mistake with Malik Willis.

1488
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but That's what it sounds like.

1489
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: They're just such a bizarre team to me because they

1490
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 2: spent all this money in the offseason on guys, right,

1491
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 2: but they lost.

1492
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,919
Speaker 1: Deeric Henry still gonna have a new identity.

1493
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 2: But they spent all this on Calvin Ridley, Lagarious Sneed right, Like,

1494
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 2: they made all these moves and it Will Haves is

1495
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: not the corn.

1496
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 1: Well that's why, Like I was tempted to go with Donsay,

1497
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: but they they've signed Hopkins in Ridley the last two years.

1498
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: So I don't so I don't think they're gonna spot

1499
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: off the spot. I settled on with Dallas Turner because

1500
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 2: they do haven't needed edge. I do think that they're

1501
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: probably a team that is sort of just thinking best

1502
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: player available here, and it's probably a guy like a

1503
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: Doonsay really when you know it all off the board,

1504
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: but the receiver just doesn't make any sense for them.

1505
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: So this is where I think we start talking about

1506
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 2: some of the defensive guys in this draft. They just

1507
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,879
Speaker 2: spent all the money on Sneed, so it's not Corner.

1508
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: I think it's it's Dallas Turner.

1509
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: So I would also say, like if I had the

1510
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: Chargers trade back from five. This is another prime trade

1511
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: down spot.

1512
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they make this pick. I just

1513
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know how the cards fall for

1514
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: them to trade out necessary. Just told you, Joel, I

1515
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: don't think they make this pick. If Joe Alt's there,

1516
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: you think they make the pick, yes, but I don't

1517
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: think Joelt's going to be there. All right. Moving on

1518
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: to eight. Yep, the Atlanta Falcons, we're not making this pick. Oh.

1519
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: I have them making the pick well, because you have

1520
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: McCarthy going higher. Okay, oh, okay, So this is where

1521
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: I have JJ McCarthy going. All right, I have so

1522
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: I think between the Minnesota Vikings, the Raiders, the Broncos,

1523
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: McCarthy's not going pat, he's going somewhere with this eighth pick.

1524
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: I think this is the JJ McCarthy pick, and I

1525
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: think that ultimately the Vikings get the deal done. They

1526
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: move up three spots, which probably means that they can

1527
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: potentially hang on to twenty three because it's not as

1528
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: many on the trail trade value chart, and they get

1529
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: their quarterback in JJ McCarthy. The Vikings are the best

1530
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: fit for all these quarterbacks because they have two receivers

1531
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: that can play and they have koc who can call plays.

1532
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 2: But for any of these quarterbacks, I truly believe Eve

1533
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: that JJ McCarthy should be doing backflips if he gets

1534
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: drafted by the Minnesota Vikings. If he comes here, and

1535
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: this has been my whole thing with McCarthy, if he

1536
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: comes here and he's expected to be the franchise savior

1537
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: and be the guy that carries the Patriots back the contention,

1538
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna fail miserably. I do. If he

1539
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: goes to a team like the Minnesota Vikings, where he

1540
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: basically all he has to do is what Kirk Cousins did,

1541
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: or what he had to do at Michigan was to

1542
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 2: just make a couple of plays on third down and

1543
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: feed the ball to Justin Jefferson. Perfect right. He'll be

1544
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: a good quarterback. Is he gonna be great? Is he

1545
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 2: gonna be MVP?

1546
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: I don't will think that he's gonna get the brock

1547
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: Purty effect.

1548
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1549
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: But I don't think so either, But people are gonna

1550
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: fall for it.

1551
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he'll be a really I think he'll

1552
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: be a very good functioning NFL starter in this situation.

1553
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: So if I'm if I'm McCarthy. I'm I'm in love

1554
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: with this, like, this is a great thing for me.

1555
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,480
Speaker 2: So I have the Vikings trading up with the Falcons

1556
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: to McCarthy. This is also sort of in the middle

1557
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: because I just don't believe the hype. Yeah, but this

1558
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: is low enough where I was like, all right, this

1559
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: could start to really happen. But you're not. If you're

1560
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: the Vikings, You're not giving up three future first round

1561
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,879
Speaker 2: picks for JJ McCarthy, which I just think is crazy.

1562
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 2: You're giving up a smaller package, and I think it

1563
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: makes a little bit more sense.

1564
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: I took Dallas Turner. I think, well, on my board,

1565
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy's shot and maybe a wide receiver team. Maybe the

1566
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: Chargers move up from eleven. Maybe this Saint's from fourteen

1567
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: move up to try to jump the Bears. But I

1568
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: feel like defensive head coach new Era all that Dallas Turner,

1569
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: best defensive players still on the board. They need a

1570
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: pass rusher there for a while, Yeah, they haven't had

1571
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: a good edge.

1572
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 2: With John Abraham or something like something like that. Well,

1573
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: I mean like Vic Beasley had that one year.

1574
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: It wasn't Dwight Freeney there late in his career.

1575
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 2: That sounds right. No, which one of them was on

1576
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: the team in eighteen to twenty eight three? Was that Freeney? No,

1577
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: Art Grady Jarrett was on that team. Maybe that's what

1578
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: you're thinking about.

1579
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: No, they had Why don't think Wait, Freeney played for

1580
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: the Falcons.

1581
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: He might have played for the Falcons laying in his career,

1582
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: but I don't think he did.

1583
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he was on the twenty three Yeah, Oh

1584
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: my gosh, Yeah, I think that was his last.

1585
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: No, he played one more year after. They played for

1586
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: the Seahawks and Lions. But that's crazy.

1587
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: They've needed a legit edge rusher for a long time.

1588
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner's still there, defensive coach. They'd probably get a

1589
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: decent offer somebody trying to jump up for Dunsay or

1590
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: Bowers with the Bears, Jets and Chargers up next, but

1591
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: I think they stick it.

1592
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: Pick. What do you think of Dallas Turner? We haven't

1593
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 2: really talked too much about defense guys at the top

1594
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: of the draft.

1595
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Will Anderson, no, but he's still

1596
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: a really good player. Yeah, he's he's not as consistent,

1597
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: but I think the peaks are the same.

1598
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 2: He's he's raw. He's younger and in a little bit

1599
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: more raw than Will Anderson coming out. Yeah, I think

1600
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: that's the biggest difference is and he doesn't play the

1601
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: run as well as will Anderson. He makes splash plays

1602
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: against the run, but Will Anderson has the ability to

1603
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 2: hold up at the point of attack and make splash plays, right,

1604
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: That's what makes him so good. Dallas Turner, I think

1605
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: NFL com has this as his comp. I think Brian

1606
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: Burns is a perfect comp. You know, really one of

1607
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: those guys. It's very, very explosive, gets off the ball

1608
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 2: extremely well, is going to corner tackles. It's gonna be

1609
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 2: a problem with speed, rushes and things like that. It's

1610
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: gonna shoot gaps in the run game. But maybe just

1611
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: needs a little bit more seasoning to to round out

1612
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: his game. But I think he's the best defensive player

1613
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: in the draft. I do. I know it's I think

1614
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 2: some people think it's like Tyran Arnold, maybe the corner

1615
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: from Alabama or you know, a lot of people really

1616
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: like Jared Vers. You know, there's a lot of Jared

1617
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: Vers fans. I think it's Dallas.

1618
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: Turned I think it's Turner because it doesn't I mean

1619
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: floor and upside, all things considered, because it's upsides tremendous.

1620
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: All right, Caleb Jayden Drake May, Marvin Harrison Junior. I

1621
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 2: have altered five to the Chargers. You have McCarthy. We

1622
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: both have neighbors. You have Alt to the Titans. I

1623
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 2: have Turner to the Titans. I have McCarthy at eight.

1624
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: You have Turner at eight. Number nine Chicago Bears. I

1625
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: think this is probably one of the easiest picks in

1626
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: the top ten. Oh yeah, romadonsay, yep. Perfect. Just Caleb

1627
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: had Brandon Rice last year. This is a much better version. Yeah,

1628
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: and he he did a really good job of feeding

1629
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Rice. So I think this is a great fit.

1630
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: You have a receiver that can play on the outside

1631
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: like that, that can tilt coverage, but that also has

1632
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 2: that ability Caleb starts running around back there. You're just

1633
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: he's down there somewhere, right, you know, all day he's

1634
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 2: down there somewhere. Adage Roma Dunday has got that ability

1635
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: to climb the ladder, make those catches up up above,

1636
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 2: you know, high high point phase, those types of things,

1637
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: jump balls into traffic. I think Roma Dunza is maybe

1638
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: one of the more safer prospects in the entire draft.

1639
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: I just there's really a difficult time. I have a

1640
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: difficult time finding a way that he just completely is terrible,

1641
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 2: like a total bust, just way too talented, way too

1642
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: well rounded, way too good of a football player. Like

1643
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: it's not just athlete, he's just a good football play.

1644
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, Roma Dunes eight of the Bears at nine.

1645
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: I think it's a super easy one. Yeah, there we

1646
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 2: go ten this one. I had tough tough time with

1647
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 2: New York Jets. Take a couple of rings around. I

1648
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: hate Brock Bowers for them, probably the best player on

1649
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: the board at this point. Neither one of us have

1650
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 2: taken Bowers yet. He's probably the best player on the board.

1651
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: But Aaron Rodgers, you look at historically not a real

1652
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: tight end quarterback, right, like, not somebody that that really

1653
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: feeds the tight end. I just don't really love that

1654
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: fit for Bowers. I thought about Olu Fashanu here, Yeah,

1655
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: to give him that tackle behind Tyron Smith who has

1656
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: the injuries. He's gonna play a little bit as a

1657
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: rookie probably, and then he take over completely for Tyron

1658
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: Smith here too. But I kind of have a little

1659
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 2: bit surprise here. So I think the Jets are in

1660
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: this mindset where they're an all in team right now,

1661
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: and I don't think that they're gonna middle it like

1662
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: Oluf to me is middling it because he's not gonna

1663
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 2: play right away.

1664
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1665
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, have Tyron Smith that left tackle, you have Morgan

1666
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: Moses at right tackle. Yes, there's a chance that both

1667
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: those guys get hurt. One of those guys get hurt

1668
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: and he gets into the lineup, But when you put

1669
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 2: it up on the whiteboard right now, he's not a

1670
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: rookie starter for you. And to me that all off

1671
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: season they've only done one thing, and that is we

1672
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: are pushing the chips all in the middle of the

1673
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: table for Aaron Rodgers. So to get to the draft

1674
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: and then draft somebody that's like a projection as a

1675
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: starter two years from now, I can't get behind. And

1676
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't like Brock Bauers as a fit for them.

1677
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: So at ten for the Jets, I have Brian Thomas

1678
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 2: junior from LSU.

1679
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: But they have receivers.

1680
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: I think that they go all in. I think they

1681
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 2: go all in. Their receivers right now are Garrett Wilson,

1682
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 2: Mike Williams. Yeah, and Alan Lazard, So where's he playing.

1683
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 2: He's better than both Lazard and Mike Williams is and

1684
01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: Mike Williams always hurt Brian Thomas Jr. The other reason

1685
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 2: why I love I think Brian Thomas Junior is not

1686
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 2: a reach at ten personally. I think the only reason

1687
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: why he might seem like a reach at ten is

1688
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: because of the three guys ahead of him in the draft.

1689
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,879
Speaker 2: I think he's that talented. I think he's explosive receiver,

1690
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: has the ability to run routes at the second level, obviously,

1691
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 2: has the ability to take the top off four to

1692
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: three speed at that size. I think we're almost underrating

1693
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: how freaky that is to be a four to three

1694
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: guy at like two ten, two fifteen. The other thing

1695
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 2: that I look at with him is that he's got

1696
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 2: some size, catch radious, those things, those elements, ball tracking ability.

1697
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,799
Speaker 2: I think the Green Bay Packers all Aaron Rodgers' career,

1698
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: never took a first round receiver for him, Right, that

1699
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: was the whole thing, right, we never got it, never

1700
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 2: took a first round receiver. I think the Jets give

1701
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: him a first round receiver. Brian Thomas Junior, so I

1702
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: originally had Bowers to the Jets. I actually just came

1703
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: up with a better idea on the spot. Yeah, I

1704
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: like that.

1705
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: I get you're all in thing I do, But I

1706
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: I think the Jets look at this and say, there's

1707
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: a number of players we'd like maybe a little later

1708
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: on the board. We don't need a pick right now. Meanwhile,

1709
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: you have a Cincinnati Bengals team.

1710
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: Shout out trags. Yes, that.

1711
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: Really has been trying to get a good tight end

1712
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: for a while.

1713
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 2: Bowers to the Bengals makes a ton of sense.

1714
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: They've they really haven't had that dominant tight end quite

1715
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: a bit. They might lose T Higgins, so getting another

1716
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: elite pass catcher in there. Last year, the Saints gave

1717
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: up sixteen ninety eight in one twenty to get to eleven,

1718
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: so this would be three more spots. So the Bengals

1719
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: will instead give up eighteen eighty and ninety seven because

1720
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: they have two thirds. So they're gonna trade their first

1721
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: and two thirds to get up to ten and take

1722
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers at ten, and you know, put the whole

1723
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: thing behind Joe Burrow. You know, for at least one year,

1724
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have Jamar Chase T. Higgins, brock Bowers, two

1725
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: solid tacks. You loaded up.

1726
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: You're going for the Super Bowl team? Yea. I had

1727
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: a tough time with the Jets. I don't know what

1728
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: the Jets do here.

1729
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: I think it's the Jets. You have to assume they're

1730
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna make the wrong pick. Yeah, that's part of Will McDonald.

1731
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was probably one of the worst picks of

1732
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: that first round. That was a cold, strange as it

1733
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 2: was ridiculous and he can't get on the field. He

1734
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 2: might he might play this year because they lost price,

1735
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: but didn't they They added somebody in free agency because

1736
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: they because Will McDonald's stinks, which we knew. Yeah, I

1737
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: think you're right. Yeah, who was it? We should be better?

1738
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but uh. Anyways, I had a tough

1739
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: time with the Jets. I think the best pick for

1740
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: them is Olufashanu. I think taking the tackle that could

1741
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 2: use a year behind a guy like Tyron Smith anyways,

1742
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: younger player two, but then probably is going to play

1743
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: as a rookiecause Tyron Smith is eventually gonna get hurt.

1744
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 2: Inevitably going to get hurt is probably what makes the

1745
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: most sense, but it just doesn't have with their whole offseason,

1746
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: like why put Son Reddick? Yeah, so they're not they're

1747
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: not playing, They're not playing Will McDonald. I just I

1748
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with the Jets. I really

1749
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: like Brian Thomas Junior as a player. I think that

1750
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 2: they want to give Aaron Rodgers all the possible chips

1751
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 2: that he could ever need to put up points and

1752
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: to win games. But I think that the right pick

1753
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: would be to take one of the tackles I do.

1754
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: But I don't think they will. I don't think they're

1755
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: that smart. I think trade it, because remember they don't

1756
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: have a second round pick either. They could trade it,

1757
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: trade it and load up. Yeah, all right, so that's

1758
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 2: our top ten. We'll see you who hits more picks,

1759
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: Probably you because you do this more often than I do.

1760
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens. I I really think that

1761
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: the picks that I feel the best about, though, just

1762
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: to do that Jaden to the Commanders and obviously Caleb

1763
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: to the Bears, but we all know that doesn't Jaden

1764
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 2: to the Commanders, Harrison to the Cardinals, Dune say to

1765
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: the Bears that those picks I just feel neighbors to

1766
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: giants that one makes the most sense if they're not

1767
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: a quarterback team. Who knows what they are? All right?

1768
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 2: The Giants are all who knows? I agree, though, I

1769
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: think with the Giants, the only team, the only guy

1770
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 2: that I think that they could really fall in love

1771
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: with in terms of the quarterbacks is May because he

1772
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 2: is Josh Allen ish. Yeah, and you have Dable there,

1773
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: you have Joe Showan, there, you have buffalo guys running

1774
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 2: that ship. So how Dable's got to look at Drake

1775
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: May on film and see a lot of Josh Allen,

1776
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: young Josh Allen.

1777
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: You look at Joe Milton, see the same thing.

1778
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a stretch. That's a stretch. But

1779
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't think they're a quarterback team because owner the owner.

1780
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 2: I think they're the owners. We just gave this, you

1781
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 2: just gave this contract. You can do that.

1782
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: Do that on your own time, do that on day two,

1783
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: day three. You're not doing it here?

1784
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. All right, So let's answer some of

1785
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: these emails to wrap up the show here. And obviously,

1786
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 2: as you would expect, Alex, we have plenty of JJ

1787
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 2: McCarthy emails asking me why I hate him so much? So,

1788
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:11,560
Speaker 2: where is the first one that I saw. Oh yeah,

1789
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: this is from Chad in Atlanta. All right, why does

1790
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: Evan hate JJ McCarthy Just kidding. I did want to ask, though,

1791
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: what's the difference between projecting what Drake May could potentially

1792
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: be after he fixes his issues, you know, mechanics, footwork,

1793
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 2: that type of stuff, versus projecting what JJ McCarthy could

1794
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: potentially be. It's a good question. They're both projections in

1795
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 2: different ways. I think with Drake May, you see consistently

1796
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: the flashes of what it could be if he's consistently

1797
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: that all the time, where with JJ, it's like the

1798
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: mystery box. It's the it's they're our old family guy

1799
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: bit right, It's you could have a boat or you

1800
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: can have a mystery box. To me, Drake May is

1801
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: like a boat that has a lot of really good

1802
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: bones but probably need some fixing up. Yeah, Whereas I

1803
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: think with JJ McCarthy, you're like, well it could even

1804
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: be a boat, right like he And that's the difference.

1805
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 2: McCarthy's issues to me, if he doesn't iron out in

1806
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 2: the NFL, and he's going to be a complete flop,

1807
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: which are accuracy and decision making. I think that when

1808
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: I read about McCarthy and all these anonymous you know,

1809
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: scouts executive pieces that are coming out of Well, when

1810
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 2: people tell me that JJ McCarthy is a good processor,

1811
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: I it doesn't compute, Like, I just don't see that

1812
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 2: on film at all. Is he quick and decisive? Yeah,

1813
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: when when the first read is open, he's quick and decisive.

1814
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 2: You know who was also really quick and decisive on

1815
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 2: his first read? Mac Jones. To me, really good processors

1816
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 2: are guys that recognize coverage and say this is covered

1817
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: or a tight window, but their numbers are over here,

1818
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: which means that this is going to be wide open

1819
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: over there, So I'm going to come off this and

1820
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: get to that right. You know. Those are that to

1821
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: me is high level process Being able to make a

1822
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: quick decision because you ran a play action concept and

1823
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 2: the crosser is wide open coming off the play action

1824
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 2: fake and you get it out decisively and quickly. That's

1825
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: not processing. That's just you have a quick release like

1826
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 2: that's all that is. So with McCarthy, accuracy, processing, decision making,

1827
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: all those types of things. I have a lot of

1828
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: concerns with. I understand what people are seeing with him physically, though,

1829
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: Like I understand that he's got a plus arm, plus

1830
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 2: mobility he has. I don't know if I hate if

1831
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: I would say he has top ten traits at the position,

1832
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 2: but he has first round traits at the position just

1833
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 2: physically he has first round traits. I just think there's

1834
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 2: way too much Zach Wilson. There's way too much spray.

1835
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: You know, everybody gives Drake May a ton of crap

1836
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 2: for all the sprays on film with him. I think

1837
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: there's just as many with JJ McCarthy where he just

1838
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 2: misses open guys. And I think there's a lot of

1839
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: processing issues there too.

1840
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I've said this about JJ McCarthy since like November. If

1841
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: you feel really good about and I know it's gonna

1842
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: sound weird coming from me, if you really really like him,

1843
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: or even if you really really hate him, If you

1844
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: feel strongly about JJ McCarthy one way or the other,

1845
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: you're kidding yourself because they're simply not enough there to

1846
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: truly get a full evaluation. Yeah, and that doesn't mean

1847
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be bad, like he could be good. I

1848
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: just don't know how you can look at the entire

1849
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: body of work and be that convicted, and when you're

1850
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: talking about the third overall picks, specifically for the Patriots.

1851
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: You need to make that pick with some conviction, and

1852
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's enough from JJ McCarthy to

1853
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: have that kind of conviction.

1854
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I just to reiterate with Drake May.

1855
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: You can see it. I can see the high level

1856
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 2: plays on film and I can turn it on and

1857
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 2: I can say, look, you know he made I think

1858
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: it was seventy eight big time throws over the last

1859
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: two years, which leads the entire FBS and that statistic.

1860
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 2: So the high end players are on film, there aren't

1861
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: as many high end plays with JJ McCarthy. What we're

1862
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: being told with JJ McCarthy by these anonymous scouts and

1863
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: executives and some other you know, these quarterback people, is

1864
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: that there's all this untapped potential that just needs to

1865
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 2: be realized, that just needs to be brought out. Because Michigan,

1866
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: Michigan held him back. Michigan didn't allow him to play

1867
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 2: to that potential because they just wanted to play, you know,

1868
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: they wanted to be dead you know, a dead ball

1869
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: team where it just we're gonna play defense, we're gonna

1870
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 2: run the football. He's gonna make some plays when it

1871
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 2: counts and we're gonna win you, we're gonna go fifteen

1872
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: to zer, right, That's that's they played to win, not

1873
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: to showcase j JJ McCarthy. That's the other side of it.

1874
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a really risky proposition to make at

1875
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: the top of the draft, to say that it's the

1876
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna get it out of him and we're the

1877
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: team that's gonna get that's gonna put it on his

1878
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: shoulders and he's gonna carry us. I just think that

1879
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: that's a big leap, and more times than not, when

1880
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: you do that in the draft, I feel like that's

1881
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: where teams get themselves into trouble, is thinking that this

1882
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 2: guy has this development that's just waiting to be tapped into,

1883
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 2: instead of taking the guy where it's physically already there.

1884
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: You know. I think that that happens all the time.

1885
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: That's that you can get into some trouble. All right, Uh,

1886
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 2: what else we got here? Is a question from Byron

1887
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 2: and it's a very long email, so I'll just try

1888
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,440
Speaker 2: to sum it up the best that I can. Basically,

1889
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 2: Byron's feeling is that Jaden Daniels is not in the

1890
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 2: same tier as these other quarterbacks he's better or worse, worse,

1891
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 2: excuse me? All right, he feels that Jaden Daniels six

1892
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: year quarterback, play with a bunch of receivers, you know,

1893
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: first round talent at receiver and it took him until

1894
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 2: this sixth season to really break out when the Heisman

1895
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 2: and that we're overrating Jaden Daniels.

1896
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, he didn't give me any reasons that

1897
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: I can't dispute by saying, so did Joe Burrow. And

1898
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Daniels will be Joe Burrow, but like

1899
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: those are not necessarily indicators of failure.

1900
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: He's saying this is his finish. I'm not saying Jaden

1901
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 2: Daniels will be a bust, but a bust because that's

1902
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 2: not what the process is about. It's about trying to

1903
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,719
Speaker 2: figure out what profile you're comfortable developing as a prospect.

1904
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: And for Jaden Daniels's case, there are too many red

1905
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: So I think with Jayden Daniels, it's pretty easy to

1906
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 2: envision it working out. And that's what it comes down to, right,

1907
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: can you envision this working out? What's the path to success?

1908
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty easy to envision it building an

1909
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: offense that works with Jaden Daniels because even though he's

1910
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 2: not stylistically, I know there's been some pushback about the

1911
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: Lamar comparisons. He does not play football like Lamar Jackson

1912
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 2: one for one, other than the fact that he's extremely

1913
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 2: mobile and can throw from the pocket better than you

1914
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 2: would think. Right, Like, that's it, right, But Lamar coming

1915
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: out of college, and you know how much I would

1916
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 2: love Lamar in college. Lamar coming out of college had

1917
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 2: two things that are different from Jaden Daniels. One, Lamar

1918
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: is a scatback. Like Lamar has quickness. Lamar has agility.

1919
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: Lamar is very elusive, whereas Jaden's a straight line guy.

1920
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 2: He's an explosive, straight line speed type of guy. So

1921
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 2: they run differently. And I'm dying over here, but they

1922
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 2: run differently.

1923
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: We're both the draft is we're both falling apart.

1924
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ's the draft. Look at what the draft process

1925
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 2: has done to my god. This is what happens when

1926
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: you have like a breakfast bar before you go on

1927
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 2: air and then it like you know, like it like

1928
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: messes up your your throat a little bit. That's what

1929
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 2: happened here. Anyways, I'm just getting my ass kicked by allergies. Yeah,

1930
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 2: I take some allergy medicine. I did take more. Jeez,

1931
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 2: you gotta get you some prescription allergy medicine. Over here,

1932
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 2: we're falling apart. Draft's eight days away. He takes, we

1933
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 2: can make it. Jade and Daniels Lamar Jackson in college

1934
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 2: at Louisville and now I would say even with Baltimore Peppers,

1935
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, that's where he lives in breakers,

1936
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 2: seems you know, rope it up the seam. He's got

1937
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 2: a stronger arm than Jayden Daniels, I think to drive

1938
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 2: it into those types of windows. Jade and Daniels much more,

1939
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: much smoother mechanically as a thrower, much smoother feet, eyes, hips, shoulders,

1940
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 2: efficient really you know, doesn't really have a big wind up,

1941
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 2: gets the ball out quickly. Lamar Jackson had a lot

1942
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: of those mechanical stuff that needed to be worked on footwork,

1943
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 2: and he had sort of that weird like shot put

1944
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 2: type release. He's almost like throwing darts instead of you

1945
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 2: know that real Tom Brady picturesque type of release with

1946
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: the ball. So they're different. But how the defenses are

1947
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 2: gonna have to defend you is gonna be the same,

1948
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna have a quarterback that's the most dynamic

1949
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: athlete on the field all the time. So in defensive coordinators,

1950
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 2: we talk about Tuesday players all the time. Right when

1951
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: they get into that Tuesday meeting and they start to say,

1952
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 2: how are we gonna defend the Patriots? How are you

1953
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 2: going to defend the Commanders With Jaden Daniels, you all

1954
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 2: have to craft an entire pass rush plan around.

1955
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: JA.

1956
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you can't use your normal rush. You have

1957
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 2: to spy or mush rush. You have to play certain coverages,

1958
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 2: Like certain coverages with Jayden Daniels to me are just

1959
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 2: off the board, Like you're not gonna play two man

1960
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: against Jayden Daniels because there's nobody in the box to

1961
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 2: keep them in the pocket, right right. You know that's

1962
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,719
Speaker 2: what Florida tried to do. He put up six hundred

1963
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 2: yards right right, So you have to be able to

1964
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 2: figure it out. I understand some of the concerns with

1965
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 2: Daniels in terms of his passing profile, but ultimately the

1966
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: reason why I disagree with the emailer a little bit,

1967
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 2: and I think we both are are would be would

1968
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 2: I be over the moon? If they took Daniels at three,

1969
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 2: probably not, But would I be like, yeah, that's you know,

1970
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: box checked right, like we're good, right, that's that's the

1971
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 2: right pick. If they took Daniels at three, Yes, because

1972
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 2: that type of ability, the skill set is translatable. Like

1973
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: I can see how they can get there with the

1974
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,560
Speaker 2: skill set, even if I have some concerns about the

1975
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 2: passing and the fit and all that kind of stuff.

1976
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,520
Speaker 2: The skill set is worthy of the third overall PICKA.

1977
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: So that's why I've had him in the drinkmate, dear, Yeah,

1978
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 2: I agree with all that. All right, let's see. So, oh,

1979
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 2: this is Michael from Brockton. Mike from Brockton is on

1980
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 2: your side of the street, Alex, maybe even a little

1981
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 2: bit stronger than you with Michael Pennox. He thinks Michael

1982
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 2: Pennox is better than Drake May right now he probably is.

1983
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 2: So this is a great this is exactly a good email. Yeah.

1984
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 2: What he says is that I believe Pennix is the

1985
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: superior QB. Not the better prospect exactly, but the better quarterback. Yeah.

1986
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 2: I agree with that one hundred percent. I don't know

1987
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: if I go all the way there, but I understand

1988
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 2: what he's saying.

1989
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's the debate we had member of like the

1990
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: college tape versus the projection, Yes, like who is the

1991
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: better quarterback in twenty twenty three on tape?

1992
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 2: Penix?

1993
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, we did this before we did Yeah, that's

1994
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is an example of that.

1995
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is why I think it's crazy that

1996
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 2: it's not more of a conversation between Pennox and McCarthy, because, right,

1997
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 2: there's no question who had the better tape in twenty

1998
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty three between those two guys.

1999
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: They're not even there's so many how many quarterbacks are

2000
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: between them?

2001
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 2: Multiple? Right, So I think you look at draft your tape,

2002
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 2: which I know we did this month ago, but it's

2003
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: been months ago at this point. Yeah, Daniels is definitely.

2004
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 2: Daniels is one. I think Pennix the second. I think

2005
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: Penix is too.

2006
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 1: That's why they were It's funny, there's like almost an

2007
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: opposite thing going on here where Pennix is all the

2008
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: pluses are on the field and all the concerns are

2009
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: other things. JJ McCarthy is. His whole stock is built

2010
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: up around all the all the things you can't see

2011
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: on film the day, somebody had a tweet. The other

2012
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 1: day was after that JJ McCarthy. Somebody somebody that there

2013
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: was that report that JJ McCarthy was like telling prospects like,

2014
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: don't come to Michigan if you want to party. I'm

2015
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 1: here to win a national championship.

2016
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 2: The beast.

2017
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: Well, but then somebody said, like, how come everything pumping

2018
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: up JJ McCarthy has nothing to do with him actually

2019
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: throwing a football. So like to me, Pennix is the

2020
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: positives are all the tape, and then you have the

2021
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: questions about everything else, JJ McCarthy. The positives are everything else,

2022
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: and the questions exist on taped, which I say, at

2023
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: a certain point, we got to remember the primary source

2024
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 1: here is what these guys did on the field in

2025
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: the fall. At a certain point, eleven on eleven, competitive

2026
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,440
Speaker 1: padded football has to be the driving.

2027
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 2: And more important.

2028
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: And that's I think why I differ so much on

2029
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: it from every but not you, but most people. Between

2030
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy and in Pennix, I don't if a twenty one

2031
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: year old kid walks in an NFL locker room and says, hey,

2032
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: none of your partying, I'm here to win a Super Bowl,

2033
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna get laughed at. Yeah, but a guy that

2034
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 1: can go out there and sling the football. And by

2035
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: the way, it's a pretty decent leadership quotient as well.

2036
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: We thing we've heard about Michael Pennock's got that dog

2037
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: in him. At a certain point, what the guy did

2038
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven chin strap buckled needs to mean more

2039
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: than everything else. And this is the time year we

2040
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: lose track of that. But come on, man, typically right

2041
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: before the draft, to get back to it.

2042
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 2: I love how fired up this gets you because it's

2043
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 2: in your Pennis defense, and I'm glad that you're act

2044
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 2: to standing on the table face because you were always was.

2045
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: It's not even necessarily a Pennix defense. It represents something bigger.

2046
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: Watch the freaking games. Who is a better football player?

2047
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I understand that if you're a fan, even if

2048
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 2: you're in in media like us, I understand. Yeah, sure,

2049
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like for anybody, I understand that

2050
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 2: you might not trust yourself enough to go and watch

2051
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 2: the tape and come up with an opinion on a player.

2052
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 2: So that's why a lot of people rely on people

2053
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: like us, or rely on these anonymous sources, rely on

2054
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: dani Orlovsky like whatever, and I I I get all that,

2055
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 2: but I think at the end of the day, you

2056
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 2: can still watch and have like a past fail test

2057
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 2: with guys like you might not be able to understand

2058
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 2: all the little New One fan. You have a certain

2059
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: baseline understanding can this guy player or not?

2060
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Right? And I watched So what year your dad had been,

2061
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: like twenty twelve, twenty I think it was twenty twelve, right, Yeah,

2062
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: So I was senior in high school and I remember

2063
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: I saw Chandler Jones tear it up and I just

2064
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: looked at that and I said, this dude, yeup, he

2065
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: can play. And like I didn't do the I didn't

2066
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: do the draft that deeply at that time, but I

2067
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: just knew, having watched enough football this guy, and this

2068
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: is before the draft, this guy can do it.

2069
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can do it. It's all there.

2070
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: It's just he passes the eye test. Watch Mike, and

2071
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: at a certain point the eye test. This goes against

2072
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: all the different kinds of nerds.

2073
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 2: Watch the game.

2074
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: Who's better? End of the day, And I if you're

2075
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna watch the games and tell me McCarthy, all the games,

2076
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: not just the National Championship, all the games. Yeah, and

2077
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: tell me you think McCarthy is a better quarterback than

2078
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:50,560
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix. He's not.

2079
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 2: He's not. He's younger and he does It doesn't mean

2080
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 2: he's not a better prospect. He's younger and he's cleaner.

2081
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: Like in terms of the injury injury history. Yeah, that's

2082
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 2: what it is. And I think a lot of teams.

2083
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm actually hoping to get to ask Elliot Wolf this

2084
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 2: question tomorrow because this draft. One of the big things

2085
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 2: about this draft is that you have two guys and

2086
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Drake May and JJ McCarthy, who are young. Yeah, really young,

2087
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: like twenty one years old young. I don't even think

2088
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 2: Drake May is twenty one yet. I think, yes, he's like,

2089
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 2: I think he might be twenty point nine. I think

2090
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 2: he might be twenty one in May. No, he turns

2091
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 2: twenty two in August. Okay, so maybe it's JJ that's

2092
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 2: not twenty one. JJ turned twenty one in January. So

2093
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 2: they're both wrong. Is the point, is it? Caleb Williams,

2094
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought some one of them wasn't

2095
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 2: even twenty one yet. Kay Williams twenty two, I don't know.

2096
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm thinking anyways, The point being

2097
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 2: is that with Pennix and with Daniels, they are older.

2098
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 2: Pennix is way older. He's like twenty four, yeah, Daniels

2099
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 2: is twenty three. So the question is how much does

2100
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: that matter? How much do age and what it really

2101
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 2: isn't What it's not about is like second contract and

2102
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff because hes a quarterback. I

2103
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 2: think the owners look at that a little bit. The

2104
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 2: owners might, but I don't think the football people do

2105
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 2: because if he hits, as you just said, the owners

2106
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 2: are getting involved here. Yeah. Unfortunately, if he hits as

2107
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 2: a quarterback, yeah and twenty four, he's still playing for

2108
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 2: ten years, right, So what difference does it really make?

2109
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 2: I think the bigger thing is is that it's untapped potential, right,

2110
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 2: It's it's developmental, you know, trajectory where you think that

2111
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 2: a twenty four year old Michael PENNOCKX a twenty three

2112
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: year old Jaden Daniels is done developing like this is

2113
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: physically this is what they are, whereas Drake May and

2114
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,799
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy have a little bit more leeway. JJ McCarthy,

2115
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 2: I would say particular because I don't know how much

2116
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 2: bigger you can get than six five two twenty five

2117
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 2: and Drake May's case. But JJJ McCarthy, maybe he gets

2118
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 2: a little bit more meat on the bones, like he's

2119
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 2: a little bit lighter. Maybe he gets a little bit more,

2120
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 2: you know, into an NFL weight room, bulks up a

2121
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 2: little bit, adds a little bit more velo, all those

2122
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,600
Speaker 2: types of things. All that's possible, And I think that

2123
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 2: that his answer, I think would be pretty telling. Like

2124
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 2: if he comes out and he says, you know, age

2125
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 2: is just a number right now, for lack of a

2126
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 2: better way of putting it, then I think that that

2127
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 2: tells you that they don't really care. Yeah, if he

2128
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 2: says that, yeah, there's a lot of validity to the

2129
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: fact that these guys are younger, they have more time

2130
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 2: to develop, they have they are not as finished products

2131
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 2: as these other guys, then that's what the league looks at, Yeah,

2132
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 2: is that JJ McCarthy has untapped potential as young all

2133
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 2: these types of things, and Pennix's is what he is.

2134
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: So I just looked it up.

2135
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: McCarthy is the tenth According to established her on dot com,

2136
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: McCarthy is the tenth youngest player in this draft. Drake

2137
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: May is like twentieth. Drake May is actually a little

2138
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: loving Cab Williams. That's not anyway, there's according to established

2139
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: mun dot com, there's nine players who will be under

2140
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: twenty one at the drafts.

2141
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: That's an interesting way. It must have been one of these.

2142
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 1: Guys, Troy Franklin, Jalen Wright, Jatavian Sanders, Xavier Worthy, Keyon

2143
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: Cole and Jonathan Brooks, Myleak neighbors, Audric Gass to make

2144
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 1: Braylan Allen.

2145
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been any one of those guys

2146
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 2: that I was talking about, frankly, because all those guys

2147
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: are you know, I've done some research on pretty much

2148
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:10,719
Speaker 2: every all those people.

2149
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: Although that thing also said that Caleb Williams is younger

2150
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:14,600
Speaker 1: than Drake May, which he's not.

2151
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 2: So anyways, next question here, This is from Pat Nagua,

2152
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 2: a common caller, but of course our phones are still

2153
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 2: out this first question, Alex, I think you'll get a

2154
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 2: kick at it, but I don't really. I feel reluctant

2155
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 2: to even read this on the air. Ev And I

2156
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 2: watched a video with you and Taylor Kyle's recently, and

2157
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: I have to ask, is he that tall or are

2158
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 2: you that short? No, Taylor's pretty tall. Taylor's tall. Yeah,

2159
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not a tall guy, you know, five

2160
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 2: eight maybe on a good day, five to nine. Not

2161
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: a tall guy. But Taylor is. He's got to be

2162
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 2: your six feet right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Taylor's a tall dude. Yeah.

2163
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 2: And I'm not like one of these whims that was

2164
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 2: like I got to stand on a box or something. No,

2165
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 2: I just let him be taller than me. It wasn't

2166
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 2: quite me next to Tyree Jackson. It wasn't quite that level.

2167
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 2: But it wasn't quite Mike Rease next to Trent Brown,

2168
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, but it was He's taller than me by

2169
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 2: quite a bit. Absolutely. Uh. Second question here, I like

2170
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 2: this one better than the first one, for sure, but

2171
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 2: just good question. Let's say May is the pick at

2172
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 2: number three, and we take a wide receiver with the

2173
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 2: second pick, you know, seeming thirty four or whatever. Who

2174
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 2: is the best potential binkie for Drake May? I think

2175
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 2: it is a great question.

2176
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: Well, who's the wide receiver thirty four or did he

2177
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: mean tackle at thirty four?

2178
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,799
Speaker 2: No, he's saying we're taking a receiver with the second.

2179
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: Oh, which I thought he met, Like who on the

2180
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: team so that was gonna say, Pop Douglas, No.

2181
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 2: No, taking a receiver with the second pick. So who

2182
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 2: is you know? And he said, you know you could

2183
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 2: trade up a little bit half.

2184
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think eighty Mitchell's the best player.

2185
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's like a binkie kind of receiver, though, Yeah,

2186
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: if you want that guy that's gonna catch, you know,

2187
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,520
Speaker 1: Like when I hear that, I think, like fifteen target.

2188
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 2: Ten catch guy here like one hundred catches a sis, right,

2189
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 2: that's probably Roman Wilson, maybe Ricky Pearsall. So he said,

2190
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 2: lad McConkey was his answer, Yeah, if he's there. So

2191
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 2: that McConkie scares me a little bit because he had

2192
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,600
Speaker 2: all sorts of injuries last year at Georgia. He was

2193
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 2: incredible when he played. I think he had caught thirty

2194
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 2: of thirty nine targets for like nineteen yards of catch

2195
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 2: or something crazy like that. But he had I think

2196
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 2: it was back and knee, back, an ankle something like

2197
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 2: that that kept him in and out of the lineup.

2198
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 2: And he's a little bit frail like that. The frame

2199
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 2: is a little bit frail. Top of the second round,

2200
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm in if I'm a team in the first round.

2201
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 2: I think that it's a little rich for a first

2202
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 2: round pick to basically only have like four hundred yards

2203
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 2: of production last year and then take him in the

2204
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 2: first round. But with that said, I understand where he's

2205
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 2: coming from.

2206
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: Him.

2207
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, then McConkie's like the separator, right, the twitchy separator.

2208
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: Route runner McConkie or Roman Wilson.

2209
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 2: I think that Drake may though, needs a guy with

2210
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 2: a little bit of catch radius because he's not gonna

2211
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 2: be pinpoint right. So I love Adie Mitchell for that

2212
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 2: reas and you know, he's a down the field thrower,

2213
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 2: like he's You're gonna be pretty vertical in the offense.

2214
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 2: And I also think that you have to have somebody

2215
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 2: that can save him sometimes from not having that perfect

2216
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 2: pinpoint ball placement. You know, if the ball is a

2217
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 2: little bit outside but it's catchable, Yeah, you're gonna need

2218
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 2: somebody that's gonna be able to catch that pass. Where

2219
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson love him, but he's shorter, smaller, it doesn't

2220
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 2: have the catch radius. But Conky's a little bit longer. Well,

2221
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 2: so then what about Ricky Pearsol. It's a very good

2222
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,679
Speaker 2: catch ratings, great hands, great hands, great hands.

2223
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 1: Could see him as a realty too, fearless. I just

2224
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: he'll take those hits. Like if Drake May is gonna

2225
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 1: leave the defender, he'll go catch the ball.

2226
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 2: I don't love tes Walker, no, but I not at

2227
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 2: the second pick. It's sixty eight.

2228
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: If you draft Drake May, I think there's inherent value

2229
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: in reuniting those guys.

2230
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the tes Walker skill set for Drake May. Yeah,

2231
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 2: I just want a more polished version of tes Walker. Well,

2232
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 2: so what if they go tackle at thirty four and

2233
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 2: then it's we're doing this at sixty eight. Yeah, if

2234
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 2: they wouldn't tackle at thirty four and then took maybe

2235
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 2: they take two different receivers and one is like a

2236
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: tes Walker and one is you know, it's one of

2237
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 2: those kind of you know, jitterbugs. I don't know who

2238
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 2: would be available later on, like Malik Washington, Smith, coach Cowing, Yeah,

2239
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 2: Cowen was the other ones. Those guys I think could

2240
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:23,839
Speaker 2: could be interesting kind of Yin and Yang's.

2241
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2242
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,600
Speaker 2: You know, they also would would have Pop Douglas, so

2243
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 2: they'd have a little bit of that. What about n Wilson, Yeah, yeah,

2244
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 2: I'd probably just rather go with with tz just from

2245
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,480
Speaker 2: the familiarity standpoint.

2246
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: But Wilson should have a bigger catch radius than he does. Yeah,

2247
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: so I'm like, maybe you could coach that up.

2248
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 2: That does worry me though, with some of the mcconkey's

2249
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 2: Wilson's worthies of the world is that they're going to

2250
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 2: need a quarterback that's going to consistently put the ball

2251
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 2: on them right and as good as some of those

2252
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 2: high end throws are down the field, I have no

2253
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 2: doubt that Drake May will make a handful of just

2254
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 2: absolute dimes on vertical routes to those guys. Yeah, but

2255
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 2: in terms of like they're coming across the field and

2256
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 2: he's got to hit the moving target. You know, maybe

2257
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 2: there there might be somebody that's a little bit better

2258
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 2: and adjusting to me. Somebody on in the YouTube comments

2259
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 2: that Keon Coleman is a safety blanket for Drake May.

2260
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 2: If the Patriots draft JJ McCarthy and Keon Coleman with

2261
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 2: their first two picks, you might need to put me

2262
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 2: like in a straight jacket or something like. You might

2263
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 2: need to you need to call a therapist immediately, and

2264
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 2: you need to get me a session like that day.

2265
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 2: What if they draft like Graham Barton or Jackson Powers Johnson.

2266
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Oh god, I was making a list of you know,

2267
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 2: I was looking at the consensus board in Brugler's Top

2268
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 2: one hundred and just made a list of some of

2269
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 2: the guys that I haven't studied, ye because I always

2270
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 2: try to have the entire top one hundred, Like I

2271
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 2: want to make sure I know everybody that gets drafted

2272
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 2: in the first two days for sure, and there's like

2273
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 2: so many guys like Graham Barton's, you know, the Palace Johnson, Like,

2274
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 2: do I really have to spend any time studying or

2275
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 2: watching or researching a center? You know, even someone helps

2276
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 2: when the agency in a few years, even some of

2277
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 2: the the you know, Jared Verse, Byron Murphy, way too

2278
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 2: lot too, I cat.

2279
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I just like to be aware. I know, because I

2280
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: am available down the room.

2281
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 2: I am aware. But am I going to spend time

2282
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 2: out of my day to really dig into those guys?

2283
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,759
Speaker 1: You take one day and you do a few minutes

2284
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 1: on each of them.

2285
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 2: So I didn't really answer Patty's question. Adie Mitchell is

2286
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 2: probably the most realistic and maybe now with some of

2287
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 2: this McGinn stuff that came out about about him, Yeah,

2288
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,639
Speaker 2: maybe that is even more realistic as the thirty fourth

2289
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 2: pick the dream. And I know I just took him

2290
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 2: at tenth overall in my mock draft, So this is

2291
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 2: like pie in the sky. I think the best receiver

2292
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,759
Speaker 2: in the draft for Drake May is Brian Thomas Jr.

2293
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 2: Because it just combines all the elements.

2294
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: Well, if you're gonna go come on, if you're gonna

2295
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,440
Speaker 1: go that route, the best receiver form is Adnesday.

2296
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that's really not gonna happen. Like, but

2297
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 2: you took him, You took him one pick apart from

2298
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 2: each other. I know I did, but like I'm I

2299
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 2: realized that that it was probably a little bit of

2300
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 2: like a surprise. I wanted to throw one curveball in

2301
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 2: that my entire top ten was completely chalk. I had

2302
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 2: to throw like one curveball in, you know. But I

2303
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 2: think Brian Thomas Junior is what I literally just said,

2304
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:27,679
Speaker 2: which is a better version of tees waa.

2305
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2306
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 2: Right, So I could see that as being great fit,

2307
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 2: but probably not gonna happen, all right. David in Madrid said,

2308
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, and I'm a huge Penix fan.

2309
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 2: But if we were to draft him, shouldn't we have

2310
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 2: more concerns over on Weno at right tackle since he

2311
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 2: is a lefty. So this is an interesting question because

2312
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 2: there's a lot of elements to him being a lefty

2313
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 2: that would be a factor. Think about it conceptually, everything

2314
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 2: flips right, Your bootlegs are going the other way. Your

2315
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 2: your route concepts, like if you're if you're running, you know,

2316
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 2: usually you don't chase the read right, so short stuff

2317
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 2: to long long to short right, you start somewhere with

2318
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 2: your eyes in that respect, all that stuff has to

2319
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 2: be flipped. The whole playbook. Yeah, not just the blind

2320
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 2: side right, all of it. And Roger Rose and Garden

2321
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 2: at Washington was over on the right side, and that

2322
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: was to be on the blind side. He was a

2323
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 2: blind side protector in college for Pennix. So should I

2324
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 2: be more concerned about don't want to. I actually almost

2325
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 2: feel better about it because now you're not relying on

2326
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:32,759
Speaker 2: the rookie to be a blind side protector. You're relying

2327
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 2: on a guy like that who.

2328
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: Mobility is a blind side protector and dealing with some

2329
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: of those few rushers. I feel like at that point

2330
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 1: you move on when Who back into guard and you

2331
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: draft to gout like Roger roseen Garden.

2332
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 2: Who can play right.

2333
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now the concerns and honestly, all right, so honestly,

2334
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: actually we're gonna do this, yeah, draft Roger roseen Garden

2335
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 1: on when who moves back inside to right guard?

2336
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 2: Yep. And now I actually feel a lot better about

2337
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 2: Choukes of Core for it left tackle because he's not

2338
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 2: the blindside protector. Yeah. I think the one thing about

2339
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 2: Penix though, is that he can have a short pocket,

2340
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 2: Like I don't think he's one of those guys that's

2341
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Speaker 2: gonna need to drop back far because he's got such

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01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 2: a good arm. Guys that drop back that far are

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01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 2: trying to create a pocket. Yeah, So Pennix is not

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01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 2: going to have to be able to have to do that.

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01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 2: So you will have a he will be able to

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01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 2: live in a shorter pocket, I think. So that's the

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01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 2: one benefit of maybe on when I just feel either

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01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,320
Speaker 2: way one of the tackle spots that's going to be

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01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:32,639
Speaker 2: a rookie or be a week's spot on the line. Yeah,

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01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 2: and maybe you look at it and say, I'd rather

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01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 2: have the experience and the guy that I trust and

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01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 2: be on the blind side than you know, Javon Foster

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01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 2: or whoever you know they end up picking on day

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01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 2: two of the draft. I just threw out a name,

2355
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 2: but it's a it's an interesting point, Like it's it's

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01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,839
Speaker 2: a be a really fun conversation if they do. Take Pennix,

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01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 2: and I actually kind of love the idea of the

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01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 2: all Washington draft, Like just take Pennick, take take a duneesday,

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01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 2: take Pennix, take in Garden and take like Polker McMillan two,

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01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 2: like bring why just bring them all? You got thir

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01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 2: Dylan Johnson in there for me?

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01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 1: Then?

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01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, Dylan Johnson two on day three? All right done?

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Speaker 1: Why not if if you could have a draft where

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01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,560
Speaker 1: you just and realistically so as I say this, like

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01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: if you say LSU, you don't get Jaydon Daniels and

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01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 1: the leak neighbors, you have to choose one. Yeah, if

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01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: you could have them draft just from one school, what

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01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: school would it be?

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01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 2: This year? Yeah? This year? Oh, it's it's close between

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01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 2: Texas and Washington.

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01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: I still go Texas. And then because you're so set

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01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: now to just draft a quarterback next year.

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Speaker 2: I go Washington. I'm surprised you go Texas because of Pennix.

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01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,719
Speaker 2: Like I go Washington because it's a you have a quarterback,

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01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 2: that's true. Texas you've got Jacobe Brissette with Adie Mitchell

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01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 2: and Xavier are Worthy.

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01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 1: I just love the idea of Adie Mitchell and say

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01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: if you're worthy with Pop Douglass in alex Van Pelts offense.

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01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised, honestly, is that now has been

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01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 1: thinking about it. I'm like, uh, should I said Washington?

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01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 2: But like Washingtonton, if you drafted Washington, you would have

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01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 2: Pennix tro because I was sitting Jalen Polk and Jalen

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01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:09,919
Speaker 2: McMillan in the NFL altogether.

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01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get Fatano into Donesday. That's the thing,

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01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 1: Like you gotta be one for me.

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01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 2: Get a Duneesa, Pennix, Roseen Garten and probably Polk.

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01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:20,560
Speaker 1: Or McMillan, McMillan and Dylan Johnson and maybe.

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01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 2: Bylan Trice Defen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd probably gotch Washington office would remember I was

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01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 1: sitting there during the Big twelve Championship, like, can they

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01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: just draft Texas?

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01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, Texas. You know, I'm not like a big

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01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 2: Quinnie works guy. I'd rather I'd rather, I know, I

2395
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 2: know you're you're you're mad at me about that. It's

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01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 2: a ridiculous take. We'll see what I can't wait for

2397
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:46,599
Speaker 2: this year. Maybe he's better next year.

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01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be well, well, he lost a

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01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of receivers.

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Speaker 2: I guess all right, well very quickly last one. Uh,

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01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 2: Raymond threw out Xavier Legett as a potential binkie for

2402
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 2: Drake Bay could see it. Yeah, definitely got good ball

2403
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 2: skills and the vertical ability. So I think that one's interesting.

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01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 2: I do worry about the smaller guys like a and

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01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 2: they already have that with Pop Douglas two, So that's

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01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 2: an element of it as well. You know, there's a

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01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 2: lot I really don't want to seem draft a true

2408
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 2: slot receiver. That's the one thing you have on offense.

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Speaker 2: It works.

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01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one guy you have that's like legit.

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Speaker 1: Don't bury him or bury your draft pick or whatever.

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Speaker 2: All right, that does it for this show. We will

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