Speaker 1: And now Wilson comes to the left side Rogers in
Speaker 1: the shotgun hal to his right on third and sixteen,
Speaker 1: back to pass, Rogers looking to load up fires deep
Speaker 1: rainbow down.
Speaker 2: The field looking for Mike Williams, and it's intercepted.
Speaker 3: Tarren Johnson.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, a hu fungus interception by the nickel corner.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Taron Johnson, Welcome back to Trel Bernard,
Speaker 4: Welcome back to me.
Speaker 5: I'm back state side.
Speaker 4: The Buffalo Bills are back in first place in the
Speaker 4: AFC East. That was Chris Brown, of course, on the
Speaker 4: Bills Radio network. Bills get to win twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 4: On another entertaining primetime game, Aaron Rodgers. Nick Schook has
Speaker 4: a chance for the third straight week to go win
Speaker 4: a game on a drive down just a few points
Speaker 4: in the final minutes, and for the third straight week
Speaker 4: he comes up short. Second straight week, it's an interception
Speaker 4: on a pass intended for Mike Williams. Thank you, Nick,
Speaker 4: by the way, for keeping the home front warm and
Speaker 4: getting that Sunday night recap done just a night ago.
Speaker 4: And here you are right and off a good game tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll probably sleep better than Aaron Rodgers will
Speaker 2: right now, because the man is clearly frustrated. Despite the
Speaker 2: fact that the chain to Todd downing his play caller
Speaker 2: did produce better results offensively, it ultimately ends up with
Speaker 2: the same final result, which is a loss, and a
Speaker 2: loss in which he, like you said, targeted Mike Williams
Speaker 2: and got picked off to end their hopes and dreams.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be a tough time for
Speaker 2: the Jets right now, but a big win for the Bills.
Speaker 2: Not because it was pretty, because we're not gonna lie
Speaker 2: here and say it was pretty for anybody. Statistically it
Speaker 2: was pretty visually, not so much because of all the penalties,
Speaker 2: but a huge win for them after losing two straight
Speaker 2: to get back on the right side of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the penalties were crazy. It finishes with I believe
Speaker 4: eleven penalties for both teams, the most penalty yards combined
Speaker 4: in any game this season, and it could have been
Speaker 4: even much higher because there were multiple plays in the
Speaker 4: second half where there were offsetting penalties, where there was
Speaker 4: a long PI that got called back because there was
Speaker 4: an offensive line holding penalty, and then just like matching holding.
Speaker 4: So the second half you're right, was ugly. The first
Speaker 4: half was it. I mean, the Bills offense played fantastic,
Speaker 4: But talking about that ending, I thought both quarterbacks played
Speaker 4: quite well in this game. Josh Allen very efficient making
Speaker 4: plays outside the pocket. Aaron Rodgers, I thought, probably at
Speaker 4: his best game as a Jets quarterback, and considering he's
Speaker 4: thrown one touchdown and eight interceptions on the season, like,
Speaker 4: I actually think he's played reasonably well, but he's come
Speaker 4: up short in these big spots, And it does make
Speaker 4: you think about the differences between two quarterbacks, Like at
Speaker 4: one point Aaron Rodgers was in the top five quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 4: and it's because he had so many different ways he
Speaker 4: could beat you. And you think about the way this
Speaker 4: game ended with them being able to blitz and get
Speaker 4: to him before that play in a couple times late,
Speaker 4: whereas Josh Allen, after that interception on third and five,
Speaker 4: fakes a pick to the right, runs to the left,
Speaker 4: and finishes the game like one of the best running
Speaker 4: quarterbacks of all time, which he is, so he can
Speaker 4: beat in so many different ways. And to me, it
Speaker 4: was a small difference in this game, but there was
Speaker 4: a difference in quarterbacks in this game.
Speaker 2: Now a small difference, but a massive difference when he
Speaker 2: came down to winning football. I mean, it's that simple.
Speaker 2: It's Josh Allen being able to extend plays, you know,
Speaker 2: throwing a pass on the run to Ray Davis for
Speaker 2: a pickup of forty two and a down they absolutely needed.
Speaker 2: It was the fastest speed by a ball carrier on
Speaker 2: a pass completed of that distance in the next gen
Speaker 2: stats era, I believe. I mean, that's what Josh Allen
Speaker 2: is capable of doing. And it's not that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: played poorly because he didn't. You know, he's getting the
Speaker 2: ball out quickly, he's making the proper reads and everything else.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for him because for a stretch there,
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith was serving him up on a platter to
Speaker 2: aj A Panessa for sacks and crushing hits ones that
Speaker 2: drew penalty is still you know, they pile up on
Speaker 2: a guy like him. But yeah, Josh Allen, you know
Speaker 2: he's He's in the top three in the QB Index
Speaker 2: for a reason.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: There we go. It's simple.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be the only one doing self promotion on
Speaker 4: this show all the time. Yes, everyone should check out
Speaker 4: QB Index week after week Nick Shook killing it and yeah,
Speaker 4: what what is the top three right now? Must be
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Lamar and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was this past week it was Lamar, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, maybe Alan behind my homes.
Speaker 3: I think Allen was still.
Speaker 2: At my home.
Speaker 5: I might have Stroud right behind those.
Speaker 3: Stroud was fifth. Yeah, he was right there.
Speaker 5: Love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you look at Rogers' numbers. He takes five QB hits,
Speaker 4: three sacks, and yet he wasn't pressured that much. And
Speaker 4: so it's something that I've noticed throughout this season. He
Speaker 4: gets rid of the ball quickly for the most part,
Speaker 4: but when he does hold on to it, he tends
Speaker 4: to take a lot of hits and the word is out.
Speaker 4: I think in blitzing him that the Bills are not
Speaker 4: a heavy blitz team. But when they did blitz tonight,
Speaker 4: he went one of four for eight yards and took
Speaker 4: three sacks. So it has been something I think that
Speaker 4: isn't shown in the numbers. That he is throwing the
Speaker 4: ball well, but that when you get pressure in his face,
Speaker 4: he's not reacting as well to it. Meanwhile, Josh Allen
Speaker 4: on third downs tonight was six of eight two touchdowns.
Speaker 4: He had the two rushing first downs, and he has
Speaker 4: no interceptions on the season, which is crazy and it's
Speaker 4: a little misleading. It's a little lucky.
Speaker 5: Like it was.
Speaker 4: The ultimate Josh Allen moment in sequenced tonight, right before halftime,
Speaker 4: He's running to the right outside the pocket inside the
Speaker 4: ten with under a minute left in the second quarter,
Speaker 4: and he gets loose with the ball and fumbles it
Speaker 4: and they happen to recover after it bounces around between
Speaker 4: the Bills and the Jets. And on the very next play,
Speaker 4: he makes an awesome roll out to the left where
Speaker 4: he gets Dawson Knox for a touchdown that I thought
Speaker 4: was going to be such a big moment in this
Speaker 4: game shook, But all it did was set up Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers for another magical hail Mary moment. After this play
Speaker 4: that we're going to listen to, I was convinced the
Speaker 4: Jets are winning this game. You can't lose a game
Speaker 4: when Aaron Rodgers throws a hail Mary, can you.
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers in a shotgun, takes the snap and drops
Speaker 6: back again at two man rush steps up in the pocket,
Speaker 6: has time and he's just gonna heave the ball towards
Speaker 6: the Endzill Jets a hail mary into the Enzo. It's
Speaker 6: sit around Alan Mazard, the ball pounces out.
Speaker 5: He thought he had it for a touchdown. Did he
Speaker 5: have it? It's a touchdown.
Speaker 2: It's a hail mary touchdown to Allen Lazard.
Speaker 4: Before halftime, w axq Bob with Susan that felt like
Speaker 4: another moment where it's like, Wow, Aaron Rodgers is really
Speaker 4: a Jet again. He's hitting the hailbary and that that
Speaker 4: was the time. And the Bills end up blowing that
Speaker 4: ten point lead and the Jets have a moment where
Speaker 4: they actually think they take the lead, but it's called
Speaker 4: back by a Tyron Smith holding penalty. You mentioned what
Speaker 4: a bad night he had, but I thought, wow, okay,
Speaker 4: this is going to be the night a little Rogers
Speaker 4: bagic in prime time and again he gets the chance
Speaker 4: with a three point deficit late in the game, but
Speaker 4: it just it just didn't happen.
Speaker 5: But at least he gave us that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that was you know, classic Rogers. Everybody
Speaker 2: on Twitter immediately is like, hey, he did it again,
Speaker 2: fourth time in his career. He's throwing a hail mary
Speaker 2: for a touchdown and that's great, And it felt like
Speaker 2: one of those momentum swinging plays that basically led me
Speaker 2: to believe that we're going to see the exact same
Speaker 2: thing that happened between Jets and Bills last year also
Speaker 2: in primetime, in which you know, they walk it off
Speaker 2: with the Gibson punt return touchdown, and we never got
Speaker 2: that opportunity because instead and it ended in all too
Speaker 2: familiar fashion with that pick.
Speaker 3: But yeah, in that moment, that was great.
Speaker 2: And what was also great Greg, I don't know if
Speaker 2: a lot of people picked up on this, but I
Speaker 2: certainly did. We had a little bit of a fail
Speaker 2: Mary Part two where we had one official saying incomplete
Speaker 2: and the other one's touchdown and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: please tell me photographers are catching this. I thought that
Speaker 2: might be the only time, you know, back when it
Speaker 2: happened in Seattle, that we'd ever see that, and we
Speaker 2: got it for a moment there, even though they got
Speaker 2: the call right.
Speaker 4: Okay, So we're gonna connect a couple of different threads
Speaker 4: we've been talking about in this show. The officiating which
Speaker 4: was questionable, some of the roughing the passer calls. There
Speaker 4: was one on both sides were shaky, and there was
Speaker 4: just so many penalties.
Speaker 5: I'm so sick of the illegal formations.
Speaker 4: It is on pace right now to triple the amount
Speaker 4: of illegal formations. I believe tonight we almost tied the
Speaker 4: amount of illegal formations in the entire twenty twenty three seasons.
Speaker 4: So all these freaking penalties, and Aaron Rodgers was complaining
Speaker 4: about it, and he actually has a reference here back
Speaker 4: to uh, yeah, when we had the replacement refs tonight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seemed a little ridiculous. Yeah, some of them
Speaker 7: seemed really bad, including the rough in the pastor on me,
Speaker 7: and that's not rough in the passer. I was going
Speaker 7: to play sarcasta ball if we're going to call those things.
Speaker 7: And I thought the one on Kin Long was not
Speaker 7: rough in the passer either.
Speaker 4: So do you know what sarcast the ball is without googling?
Speaker 4: I have Google. I was waiting for you to finish writing,
Speaker 4: so I've done the research.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm drawing a blank, so enlighten me.
Speaker 4: It's a South Park episode that they made about the
Speaker 4: replacement refs where they created another sports so cast the ball,
Speaker 4: and I do love it's in Rogers's wheelhouse age wise,
Speaker 4: and certainly sense of humor that he just he just
Speaker 4: throws that out there as if everyone knows it.
Speaker 5: Good job.
Speaker 2: I was in college back then, so I do recall
Speaker 2: my friends being very on top of it at that time.
Speaker 5: That it was a really interesting press conference.
Speaker 4: You'll probably see the photo of him just staring off
Speaker 4: to space, wondering about the meaning of life, kind of
Speaker 4: like thing at the end of Monday night football. I
Speaker 4: kind of was feeling that way too. It's about five
Speaker 4: thirty am back in London and then you know it's
Speaker 4: up to a couple hours before racing to the airport.
Speaker 4: So I am a little fried right now. So I
Speaker 4: was thinking that way too. But like at the end
Speaker 4: of this game, he was asked about that William's route,
Speaker 4: which felt typical that they can't get on the same page,
Speaker 4: and he all but threw Williams under the bus for
Speaker 4: not running the right route. Now, he didn't say he
Speaker 4: ran the right wrong route, but he said that he's
Speaker 4: expecting him to run a certain way. I think he
Speaker 4: called it like, I forget the wording that he used.
Speaker 4: They explained Ryan Clark explained it on ESPN, But essentially
Speaker 4: he thinks he's going to go vertical, but he's not
Speaker 4: as outside. He sees him breaking one way before he
Speaker 4: throws it, and he almost had to adjust the throw midway.
Speaker 5: Williams has to come back for it. It was a
Speaker 5: bad throw.
Speaker 4: I think Rogers was not so subtly saying that it
Speaker 4: was a bad throw because he caught me off guard
Speaker 4: for not being where I expected him to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that speaks to their lack of rapport because
Speaker 2: the interception that he threw against the Vikings overseas was similar.
Speaker 2: It was that they just don't understand where each other
Speaker 2: wants to each other to be at a certain time
Speaker 2: where you know, he throws that pass, he gets picked
Speaker 2: off against the Vikings. That would have been a great
Speaker 2: backshoulder throw, but Mike Williams continues running downfield, and this
Speaker 2: time Mike Williams is not quite running the same route
Speaker 2: that he won, ends up in another interception, a spectacular interception,
Speaker 2: noe less like. It was definitely a great play, but
Speaker 2: a play that Mike Williams slips and falls trying to
Speaker 2: get back to the ball because they're not on the
Speaker 2: same page, which is just indicative of where the Jets
Speaker 2: offense has been even after the play color change, it's
Speaker 2: still where they kind of are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you mentioned the play color change. I do
Speaker 4: think there were more open receivers tonight that the running
Speaker 4: game looked fantastic, especially in the first half. Breestau goes
Speaker 4: eighteen for one to thirteen. At mid third quarter, they
Speaker 4: had seven twenty plus yard plays, so this was an
Speaker 4: explosive offense. They put up almost four hundred yards. I
Speaker 4: don't know if they got another twenty yard play after that.
Speaker 4: I don't think they did. Garrett Wilson had a nice night.
Speaker 4: Lizard's having a nice season in general, so it's not
Speaker 4: like they're that far away. But there's always just one
Speaker 4: thing that's going wrong. Tyron Smith tonight, Joe Tipman had
Speaker 4: a big penalty in this game, and they just can't
Speaker 4: get it consistent enough. When they have a chance to
Speaker 4: take the lead, they get in. I had the five
Speaker 4: yard line. You expect them to be able to punch
Speaker 4: it in instead of penalty blows it there. So I
Speaker 4: don't think they're done yet. And the coach of the
Speaker 4: Jets actually agrees with me, Jeff Ahlbrick.
Speaker 5: Let's listen to him.
Speaker 8: I think there's always a sense of urgency. There has
Speaker 8: to be, you know, that's just the nature of this league.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, two of four is by
Speaker 8: we are by no means out of this thing, by
Speaker 8: no means. I know the character that locker room. I
Speaker 8: know the way we will respond. I know that I
Speaker 8: thought this week's process was right. I thought the way
Speaker 8: we were prepared was exceptional, you know, And we got
Speaker 8: to start stacking these weeks of exceptional preparation and I
Speaker 8: promise you it'll start to pay off on Sundays.
Speaker 2: They felt like they were closer this week, right, Greg,
Speaker 2: Like they felt even with the coaching change and everything else.
Speaker 2: And that's a guy who had run a brick through
Speaker 2: a brick wall for right, but they felt like they
Speaker 2: were closer than they'd been in the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: even if they didn't get the job done.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, offensively, they were much better.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: He's calling the defense Brick is what Rogers called him
Speaker 4: at his press coverence, and he was gushing about what
Speaker 4: a good job Brick has been doing. So that, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think is somewhat telling. He's got the seal of
Speaker 4: approval from Aaron Rodgers. And defensively, they did not play
Speaker 4: well in the first half. Second half, they tightened up
Speaker 4: on the Bill's four possessions of the second half. They
Speaker 4: miss a field goal Tyler Bass cost them four points
Speaker 4: in this game.
Speaker 5: Greg zerline.
Speaker 4: On the other side, it was very windy, missed two kicks,
Speaker 4: doinked them both.
Speaker 5: You don't see that too much.
Speaker 4: And then punt punt, and then that long field goal
Speaker 4: drive that ultimately was the game winning drive. So the
Speaker 4: Jets defense wasn't great, Brick said it was not too
Speaker 4: much for him to call all the plays. I think
Speaker 4: ultimately you're right, they were closer on offense. It really
Speaker 4: felt like the play caller change was effective. We should
Speaker 4: give some love to the Bill's offense and Ray Davis.
Speaker 5: I love me some Ray Davis. Just the way he runs.
Speaker 4: There's an aggression that sometimes running backs don't have after
Speaker 4: their rookie year or their second year, and Ray Davis
Speaker 4: has it right now. He just runs so hard and
Speaker 4: you can't teach that.
Speaker 2: I think diehard listeners NFL Daily might recall me pointing
Speaker 2: out Ray Davis in the preseason as a guy to
Speaker 2: watch out for. He is a low center of gravity
Speaker 2: runner who's hard to bring down on first contact.
Speaker 3: He runs hard. He did that tonight. They had that.
Speaker 2: Their first scoring drive was a statement drive. Six of
Speaker 2: their nine plays are Ray Davis caries. He totals like
Speaker 2: forty eight yards on that drive alone, marches them down
Speaker 2: the field. And I'm sitting there watching it, just going, yes,
Speaker 2: we're getting the Ray Davis game. And that's before he
Speaker 2: even got involved in the passing game. And you know what,
Speaker 2: let's give a tip of the cap to the Bill's
Speaker 2: defense too. Taylor Rap made a couple of really big
Speaker 2: hits and timely plays, breaking up passes that could have
Speaker 2: swung the game, including a pass to Garrett Wilson in
Speaker 2: the end zone. Jets had to settle for a field
Speaker 2: goal in that situation. Like the Bill's defense did come
Speaker 2: to play and made some big stops and key moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Taylor Rap hit in the end zone, like
Speaker 4: you mentioned, was huge, And at the end of the game,
Speaker 4: I think Tabar Hamlin had had a tough game, but
Speaker 4: they are a much better defense in general with Taron
Speaker 4: Johnson and Trell Bernard.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah out there.
Speaker 4: And he Rap's been a little up and down this year,
Speaker 4: but he played well tonight. I did notice after the
Speaker 4: game there was some social media going around that Tomorrow,
Speaker 4: Hamlin got Aaron Rodgers's jersey after the game, got the
Speaker 4: jersey swap with a little autograph saying You're an inspiration
Speaker 4: to me. I think it was a surprise. He was
Speaker 4: just in his locker room and Rogers had sent it over.
Speaker 4: And you forget that these guys are just you know,
Speaker 4: they're still fans. He was probably a fan of Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers when Rogers was an MVP, and he said he
Speaker 4: felt like a kid on Christmas. What's better than not
Speaker 4: only getting Aaron rodgers jersey, but beating him along the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then getting the jersey after the fact like that.
Speaker 2: That's how you know right there that you've made an impact.
Speaker 2: And he's got an inspiring story and it's beautiful to
Speaker 2: see him out there. Honestly, sometimes a little surprising to
Speaker 2: see him out there and just laying his body on
Speaker 2: the line after what happened to him. But that's football,
Speaker 2: and these are football players more than anything. Like something
Speaker 2: like that just illustrates the fact that look their competitors
Speaker 2: and their opponents and everything else, but they're all doing
Speaker 2: the same thing, which is playing a kids game. For
Speaker 2: varying sums of money and they know the sacrifice that's involved.
Speaker 2: And tomorrow Hamlin's definitely gotten an up close experience with
Speaker 2: just you know how much of a zachrific could be.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he very much appreciates every snap that
Speaker 2: he gets to play now that he's healthy and back
Speaker 2: on the field.
Speaker 4: So before we move on and take a little break,
Speaker 4: I do want to just put where this puts the
Speaker 4: team at four and two.
Speaker 5: You're up two.
Speaker 4: Games now, the Bills are over the Jets in the division,
Speaker 4: and you have the tie break.
Speaker 5: That's significant.
Speaker 4: And if there was one person that was happier that
Speaker 4: Robert Salah lost his job in the AFCs, I don't
Speaker 4: know if it was anyone but Josh Allen. I mean,
Speaker 4: Josh Allen's had a nightmare against these Robert sala defenses
Speaker 4: over the years. His numbers have been brutal, and tonight
Speaker 4: was the opposite nineteen for twenty five two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifteen yards and two touchdowns and had the two key rushes,
Speaker 4: He had the score and then the play at the end.
Speaker 4: It was his third best game of his career in
Speaker 4: terms of completion percentage over expected that Ray Davis throw
Speaker 4: against his body probably.
Speaker 5: Was a part of that number two.
Speaker 4: So like he he's settled down after a couple down weeks.
Speaker 4: That's going to be the Josh Allen experience. But are
Speaker 4: you worried, Nick about the lack of weapons. Davis leads
Speaker 4: the team in receiving because he has that one play.
Speaker 4: Dalton Kincaid was finally a little more involved six for
Speaker 4: fifty one, not really hitting big plays, and then their
Speaker 4: leader in terms of receiving yards was Curtis Samuel because
Speaker 4: he got that one big play.
Speaker 5: But otherwise it's Keon.
Speaker 4: Coleman getting almost the most I mean not the most targets,
Speaker 4: but the most routes run. It's just it's a little rough.
Speaker 4: They need Colio security to be healthier. He was out
Speaker 4: there tonight, but not every time, but I think that's
Speaker 4: something to watch it as the trade deadline approaches.
Speaker 2: Kean Coleman actually dropped a pass that would have been
Speaker 2: a beautiful completion just in front of the end zone there,
Speaker 2: so you know, but he's a rookie, Like this is
Speaker 2: what we kind of should have expected going to the season.
Speaker 2: You lose Digs, you lose Gabe Davis. You have to
Speaker 2: rebuild your receiving cord and you're relying heavily on a rookie.
Speaker 2: This is they're gonna take a bit of a step
Speaker 2: back when it comes to connecting with these guys. Especially
Speaker 2: we saw it in Houston. A lot of them just
Speaker 2: are on the same page. I mean, at the end
Speaker 2: of that game, Mac Collins and Josh Allen is not
Speaker 2: in the same page on a completable pass.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have these issues.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The fun thing about this matchup is like they are
Speaker 4: out there hitting, we're getting flags for them getting in
Speaker 4: fights between quarters. That was the only flag I enjoyed.
Speaker 4: Like that was the only flag I enjoyed. The lights
Speaker 4: were out and they're pushing and on the field. I
Speaker 4: know it wasn't all clean, but this was a physical
Speaker 4: game between two teams that genuinely don't seem to like
Speaker 4: each other that much. And once again it looks like
Speaker 4: it's the Bill's division. I'm not rolling the Jets out yet.
Speaker 4: I know it's a dark time for the Jets, but
Speaker 4: and they have the Steelers on the road this week,
Speaker 4: that's a big game. After that, the schedule eases up
Speaker 4: relatively down this stretch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Albert kind of said it right there,
Speaker 2: we're by no means out of it. Yeah, you're two
Speaker 2: and four, but you have a lot of season left,
Speaker 2: and when you look at the Jets schedule, I just
Speaker 2: think about the next two weeks because they're always the
Speaker 2: most important. What's your weakness right now? Your defense is not.
Speaker 2: I mean, statistically, they are a number two defense in
Speaker 2: terms of yards lot per game, but we've seen them
Speaker 2: give up big point totals in primetime games. Right We're
Speaker 2: going into another primetime game on Sunday night against the
Speaker 2: Steelers this week, but at the same time, you're facing
Speaker 2: one of the least explosive offenses in the NFL. So
Speaker 2: if your offense is actually where you think it is
Speaker 2: after tonight, you're gonna play a better defense than the Steelers.
Speaker 2: But if your offense is where you think it is tonight,
Speaker 2: that's a winnable game. You dominated New England. Yes, you
Speaker 2: have to go there in the following week, but that's
Speaker 2: another winnable, very winnable game. So before you know it,
Speaker 2: you could be four and four and feel much better
Speaker 2: about your team right now, So you want to hit
Speaker 2: the panic button because it's frustrating, and you see hereon
Speaker 2: Rodgers frustrated. But I'm telling you right now, Jets fans,
Speaker 2: right out a little bit longer before you decide to
Speaker 2: jump ship.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: I like the optimism that Sunday Night one is huge.
Speaker 4: Three and four feels way different to me than two
Speaker 4: and five with it potentially coming apart at the seams.
Speaker 4: As Troy Yiekman said after the game, I'm like, what
Speaker 4: does Troy know? He thinks this thing might collapse a
Speaker 4: little under its own weight, so maybe maybe he is
Speaker 4: picking up a few things.
Speaker 5: All right, we are going to take a break.
Speaker 4: We're going to come back on the other side, do
Speaker 4: some news, give our Captain of the Week, and then
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to sleep. Back on NFL Daily. Yes,
Speaker 4: back in America. Didn't miss a snap shook. The plane
Speaker 4: landed about forty minutes early. Watch some of the first
Speaker 4: quarter in the uber home, but didn't didn't miss a snap.
Speaker 5: We're here.
Speaker 2: That's the beauty. That's the beauty of rideshare coming from Lax.
Speaker 4: Yeah about arriving at Lax, but it was a lovely time.
Speaker 4: And shout out to the fan. I'm glad that you're
Speaker 4: on this show with me because this would have slipped
Speaker 4: my mind. Shout out to the fan that came up,
Speaker 4: the listener that said he really enjoys the nick shook
Speaker 4: the recaps, So you got one.
Speaker 2: Here we go, all right, there we go. One fan overseas.
Speaker 2: That's one more than I have to have one.
Speaker 4: You know, if I'm only meeting like a sample of them,
Speaker 4: then you can extrapolate it out.
Speaker 5: It's like a poll.
Speaker 4: So that means there's there's thousands of shooky fans out
Speaker 4: there in the UK and worldwide. But it is great
Speaker 4: to be back, and yes, I'll be back in the
Speaker 4: studio to do our next show with Colleen and Jordan,
Speaker 4: and we're.
Speaker 5: Back on our regular schedule.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate everyone listening last week and dealing with
Speaker 4: all the different times that the show was going up.
Speaker 5: Let's do some news.
Speaker 4: Hutchinson will be out four to six months with a
Speaker 4: fractured tibia and fibula and the range of outcomes that
Speaker 4: was possible after this injury.
Speaker 5: As Dan Campbell put.
Speaker 4: It, this probably was on the more positive side. How
Speaker 4: I read into that is that it was essentially closer
Speaker 4: to like a clean break instead of ligament damage, and
Speaker 4: sometimes where it's at the ankle and the leg that
Speaker 4: four to six month timeline would indicate it's more of
Speaker 4: a traditional recovery. Everything goes well, they're even thrown out there,
Speaker 4: like maybe he'd be ready for the super Bowl if
Speaker 4: they got there late in the playoffs, but either way,
Speaker 4: they're going to be shorthanded for the rest of the
Speaker 4: regular season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have to come through on the short side
Speaker 2: of that timeline. I'm just glad that he avoided the
Speaker 2: Alex Smith scenario or even the Teddy Bridgewater scenario when
Speaker 2: he had, like grew some knee injury, you know, because
Speaker 2: any type of compound fracture, anything significant like that, you
Speaker 2: always fear that. So it sucks because they lose their
Speaker 2: best pass rusher and it's a department for them that
Speaker 2: they've already kind of lacked depth then, but this is football.
Speaker 2: This is part of what happens. So they're gonna have
Speaker 2: to find out a way to go forward without him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we dove deep into it on the Recap show
Speaker 4: on Sunday night Monday morning. I recommend everyone check that out.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's about as long as a Godfather movie.
Speaker 4: I saw that they pop up in my phone when
Speaker 4: I woke up this morning. It's like, oh, I did
Speaker 4: not realize we went that long late into the night.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we tried to come up with seven fun
Speaker 4: We'll see, it was a lot of fun. I want
Speaker 4: to give you another updated injury which we weren't aware
Speaker 4: of on Sunday, which was Jonathan Allen. But the commanders
Speaker 4: did not think that was a major injury, and it
Speaker 4: turns out he is going to miss the season with
Speaker 4: a tornpeck torol muzzle. Jonathan Allen was one of the
Speaker 4: best defensive tackles ends kind of a hybrid interior player
Speaker 4: in the league for a handful of seasons. I would
Speaker 4: say he wasn't playing at that level since the start
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three. That continued this year, but he
Speaker 4: still was a ardor and a significant player on a
Speaker 4: team that doesn't have a lot of defensive talent.
Speaker 2: He's also the guy who has the third highest cap
Speaker 2: number on the roster right now. That's always a big
Speaker 2: blow when you lose a guy who's making that much money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: PFF didn't have him great very well last year or
Speaker 2: into this year, but it's a blow for them and
Speaker 2: now they have to lean on Jerson Newton. The rookie
Speaker 2: out of Illinois to replace him, and I expect them
Speaker 2: to make a roster move just for death purposes.
Speaker 4: I liked me some Jerry Newton in the pre draft process,
Speaker 4: thought thought he was good.
Speaker 5: I've tried to keep an eye on him in these games.
Speaker 4: It's tough if you're not watching the All twenty two,
Speaker 4: but he's made a lot of splash plays. I think
Speaker 4: he probably has like a lot of negative plays, but
Speaker 4: he goes for big plays. So he's kind of fun
Speaker 4: to watch. This Washington team. I want them to stay
Speaker 4: in the mix, stay in the playoff race. They're going
Speaker 4: to do it with offense, but they need a little
Speaker 4: help from their defense. The Colts are expected to start
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson this week, so he was close to starting
Speaker 4: on Sunday. They decided to give Flacco one more go.
Speaker 4: He gets to win. At three and three. They haven't
Speaker 4: been impressive, but they're in the mix in what's going
Speaker 4: to be I think kind of a weird and ugly
Speaker 4: race for the last couple AFC spots. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's like a deep conference right now. We'll see,
Speaker 4: but I feel like nine wins might get you that
Speaker 4: seventh spot. Like someone's going to get a tiebreaker at
Speaker 4: nine wins in the AFC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this season's gonna been like that. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of gray area. It's hard to project at this point.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, Greg, Joe Flaco put together
Speaker 2: two very solid games. And back in the day when
Speaker 2: football players weren't making crazy money, a lot of guys
Speaker 2: went and got off season jobs, some of them door
Speaker 2: to door insurance salesman.
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: I know you're not going to need employment afterward, but
Speaker 2: because of how you perform last year and in these
Speaker 2: two games this year, you're the best insurance policy an
Speaker 2: NFL team could find.
Speaker 3: No Flacco insurance. Baby, let's go right now.
Speaker 4: I was wondering where you were going with that shook
Speaker 4: with some dad humor. I'm the dad here. Let's go
Speaker 4: to Philadelphia. I mean, man, Nick Sirianni every week has
Speaker 4: some story that he's apologizing for after the fact or
Speaker 4: explaining after the fact. Where he's the main character. You know,
Speaker 4: we talk about different people that have main character energy.
Speaker 4: It's like, doesn't matter what happens with the Eagles, we're
Speaker 4: talking about Nick Sirianni. Let's hear him talk about what
Speaker 4: happened with his home crowd fans on Sunday.
Speaker 9: Now, I was trying to bring energy yesterday, energy enthusiasm yesterday.
Speaker 9: And I'm sorry and disappointed on how my energy was
Speaker 9: directed at the end of the game. And you know,
Speaker 9: my energy should be all in on coaching, motivating right
Speaker 9: and celebrating with our guys, and so you know, that's
Speaker 9: you know, and I got to have better wisdom and
Speaker 9: discernment of when to use that energy, and that wasn't
Speaker 9: and that wasn't the time.
Speaker 5: Great go ahead.
Speaker 2: This this reads like he got a talking to from
Speaker 2: the principle and had to go out and apologize to
Speaker 2: his classmates after breaking some sort of he cost them
Speaker 2: their pizza party. That's essentially what he's speaking like this
Speaker 2: in this situation. And look, he has energy. He's got
Speaker 2: bro energy, He's got D three football energy. And as
Speaker 2: somebody who's familiar with D three football, that comes right
Speaker 2: out of the OAC Baby he went to Mount Union.
Speaker 2: And he still acts like it sometimes, especially in situations
Speaker 2: like when they get a win over the lowly Browns
Speaker 2: on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Well, it just seems like he's spinning all season, reacting
Speaker 4: from one last thing he did, and then overreacting and
Speaker 4: going too far the other way, and then going too
Speaker 4: far the other way, and trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: he actually does, because he says it partly came from
Speaker 4: he talked with his players like Jalen and aj Brown,
Speaker 4: and they were telling him during the biway, you be you,
Speaker 4: you be, you know, get back to being crazy Nick.
Speaker 4: We like crazy Nick, and then he like goes goes
Speaker 4: too hard, yelling at fans, and it's all a little
Speaker 4: mystifying and makes me think that maybe they should have
Speaker 4: just made a clean break of it at the end
Speaker 4: of last season. But then I saw one tweet which
Speaker 4: made me rethink this whole story, and they said, Nick Sirianni,
Speaker 4: I have no problem with him yelling at the fans
Speaker 4: because I can guarantee you if you met whoever that
Speaker 4: was that he yelled at, it would be one of
Speaker 4: the ten worst people you've ever met in your life.
Speaker 4: And I thought, you're probably right, for whoever was yelling
Speaker 4: at him to make Sirianni mad enough for him to
Speaker 4: do that, I bet that was true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, but it is a lot
Speaker 2: of come at me bro energy, and it's just like
Speaker 2: a broof like I went a side note. I went
Speaker 2: to the Guardians Tigers Alds, you know, decisive Game five
Speaker 2: on Saturday, and I'm watching a Tiger's fan flipping off
Speaker 2: this whole section of Guardians fans and waving his talent
Speaker 2: and everything. And that guy had big come at me
Speaker 2: bro energy, except Sirianni was on the winning side, so
Speaker 2: he was able to have the last laugh.
Speaker 5: That's bold.
Speaker 4: You cannot do that, uh at Yankee Stadium or no friendly,
Speaker 4: especially Fenway. No, like New York fans have a bad rap.
Speaker 4: Back back when I was going to those games in
Speaker 4: three h four, sort of at the peak of the
Speaker 4: Yankees Red Sox rivalry, it was not great to be
Speaker 4: a Red Sox fan at Yankee Stadium. You probably don't
Speaker 4: even want to wear your hat, and if you do,
Speaker 4: when you're leaving, like keep it, keep it tucked on.
Speaker 4: You know, you might get ripped off and thrown away.
Speaker 4: But it was way worse and way more aggressive if
Speaker 4: you were a Yankees fan at Fenway. Unfortunately. To be honest,
Speaker 4: all right, let's go to the Dolphins. Mike McDaniel says
Speaker 4: he expects to a tug of Iloa to play in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. It didn't give a timeline on it,
Speaker 4: but basically said it's coming. So that's an interesting addition
Speaker 4: to the story. There are two and three. You never
Speaker 4: know if they could get to a back soon. They're
Speaker 4: not technically out of it, as bad as they've looked
Speaker 4: on the field. Kevin Stefanski did the Monday follow up
Speaker 4: nick that he's sticking with Watson. We don't need to
Speaker 4: go deep into it. I think everyone knows at this
Speaker 4: point he's one of the worst quarterbacks through six weeks
Speaker 4: in the last twenty years. But I did think it
Speaker 4: was notable because I thought this Monday was a possible
Speaker 4: chance that he would change his mind and make the move,
Speaker 4: and he is not making the move.
Speaker 2: I think we're creeping toward and maybe slowly building more
Speaker 2: speed toward a decision, probably at the point where Stefanski
Speaker 2: starts to feel his own job threatened, and even for
Speaker 2: a two time Coach of the Year, you continue at
Speaker 2: this rate, you're gonna have to make a change before
Speaker 2: long to save your job.
Speaker 3: So I think it'll happen eventually.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, that's even assuming it's his choice to make.
Speaker 4: Andrew Berry is involved the ownership is involved mutiny. I
Speaker 4: wonder about Andrew Berry's job. I know he signed that contract. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's weirdly skated on making the worst trade in NFL history,
Speaker 4: just saying.
Speaker 3: No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh had that scary incident that included a heart murmur,
Speaker 4: which is something he's been dealing with. We found out
Speaker 4: recently that happened on the sideline during the win over
Speaker 4: the Broncos. He spoke Monday after visiting a doctor earlier
Speaker 4: in the day.
Speaker 10: I talk to John to talk to my dead mom too,
Speaker 10: and my wife. So yeah, yeah, they they know, they know,
Speaker 10: they know how deeply I am. It would take my
Speaker 10: heart stopping, yeah, for me not to be out there
Speaker 10: in the sideline.
Speaker 5: I don't love hearing that.
Speaker 4: I remember Gary Kubiak had some heart issues too on
Speaker 4: the sideline. That was really scary because he's laughing saying
Speaker 4: that his heart would have to stop for him to stop.
Speaker 4: So he is not stopping. He says he's gonna have
Speaker 4: another check up in a couple of weeks. I think
Speaker 4: he's going to wear something that monitors how the heart
Speaker 4: is going now, so it's some sort of device, but
Speaker 4: it's intense Jim Harbor is intense. He's got an intense
Speaker 4: football team that he's taken care of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't ever like to hear, you know, medical
Speaker 2: situations like this, of course, but I'm not surprised because
Speaker 2: because that intensity that you just spoke of. He's a
Speaker 2: guy who has spawned many memes with his intensity on
Speaker 2: the sideline, whether he was coaching at Michigan or with
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers or even back at Stanford. So
Speaker 2: hoping for the best and hopefully, you know, he monitors
Speaker 2: his health and he'll be fine the long run.
Speaker 4: Okay, couple injuries to just recap quickly before we get
Speaker 4: to our players of the week, Pat Certain and Chris o'lave.
Speaker 4: They both look unlikely for Thursday night football. They both
Speaker 4: had concussions on Sunday. Certain miss basically the entire game.
Speaker 4: That's o Lavi's third concussion in three seasons. Just you know,
Speaker 4: you never want to see that one of them was
Speaker 4: pretty severe a year ago. Rashid Shaheed surprisingly has a
Speaker 4: concerning knee injury according to Ian Rappaport that could keep
Speaker 4: him out this week that was not known during the game,
Speaker 4: that popped up on Monday, and just the way Rapaport
Speaker 4: said it, the Saints are just a mass unit. They
Speaker 4: might get Taysom Hill back for this game, but that's
Speaker 4: scary for them. On Thursday night with Sean Payton coming
Speaker 4: to town, Taj Spears is week to week with a
Speaker 4: hamstring injury. Same with Jaguars running back Travis etm The
Speaker 4: Jaguars made a trade sending Robert Roy Robertson Harris to
Speaker 4: the Seahawks for a sixth round pick to kind of
Speaker 4: a rotational defensive lineman. So he's got to go from
Speaker 4: London all the way over to Seattle and go play
Speaker 4: this week. And people were saying, no, that's that's got
Speaker 4: to be the longest possible trip that that you can make.
Speaker 4: But it's not as long as to La. LA's further.
Speaker 4: You know, you go over, you go over the top, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, that is true. And he he packed
Speaker 3: for two weeks in.
Speaker 4: The circle, so LA's a solid extra hour and a
Speaker 4: half or so. Uh, Finally we are going to do
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Speaker 2: with five tackles. He finishes with a pick that was
Speaker 2: at the end of a blowout win that didn't seem
Speaker 2: like he was going to be a blowout win early
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Speaker 2: forces a fumble on the play, actually Olave was concussed
Speaker 2: on He forces a fumble right before Olave takes the
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Speaker 2: the game, but it was called back by a penalty elsewhere.
Speaker 2: I actually no it was. It was overturned on review.
Speaker 2: But this guy is flying all over the field. He's
Speaker 2: making plays, and he's another young capable player who made
Speaker 2: a big part in this game as the Buccaneers rolled
Speaker 2: to a victory that for a little bit.
Speaker 3: There looked like it was a little dicey.
Speaker 2: They blew a seventeen to nothing lead early, but they
Speaker 2: came back with a vengeance and he was a big.
Speaker 3: Part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that game was absolutely drunk. I mean the bonkers.
Speaker 5: It was just a crazy, crazy game.
Speaker 4: I'm going to the best game of the week in
Speaker 4: my mind, which was Raven's Commanders. I'm giving it to
Speaker 4: Zay Flowers nine for one, thirty two, all of it
Speaker 4: in the first half. Every single target that went his
Speaker 4: way included a forty four yard catch. I wanted to
Speaker 4: give him some love just because I love his development.
Speaker 4: I love the way Todd Monkin and Lamar Jackson are
Speaker 4: using him. He can create so much separation. I think
Speaker 4: he's a little tougher than I would expect. You wouldn't
Speaker 4: think that you could build so much of an offense
Speaker 4: around a guy his size, and yet they're doing it.
Speaker 4: He's not a traditional number one receiver, neither's Jaden Reid,
Speaker 4: and yet those two guys are gonna be the number
Speaker 4: one receivers essentially for two of the best offenses.
Speaker 5: In the league.
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Speaker 5: It's good. It's good to be back with you, Nick.
Speaker 3: You know, I know, it's great. It's great.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm excited for the development of small receivers.
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill probably gets the nod for leading the way.
Speaker 2: But what I'm more excited about.
Speaker 3: Greg.
Speaker 2: We had like five flea flickers this weekend. They all
Speaker 2: worked to varying degrees or didn't work. I don't know
Speaker 2: who sent like a message out like, hey, this is
Speaker 2: flea Flicker weekend. But it preceded National tight End Day,
Speaker 2: which is coming up in a few weeks, so why
Speaker 2: not make it a holiday. But we do know one thing.
Speaker 2: There's five flea flickers in a weekend. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Greg?
Speaker 4: That means football is back. We'll see you Wednesday.