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Speaker 1: God Bless football, Billy Gill, God Bless footballster.

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Speaker 2: Guys, how are you day two of aired life after

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers as a Jet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get to a takes Tannebaum and what he

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Speaker 1: had to say this morning. Oh no, get up to Greenie.

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Speaker 1: That's a Greenie into a panic. I'll get to that

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Speaker 1: in just a second. I'm telling you, like, if you're

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Speaker 1: a Jet fan, you just got to hold back for

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Speaker 1: a minute, all right, I'm just I mean, that's what

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Speaker 1: I was trying to tell you yesterday. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to start there. We'll have Chris Sims in a second,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully Diana Rossini maybe Adam Schefter. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 1: want I don't want to start there. Okay, I want

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Speaker 1: to start with your first pitch. What happened? How was it?

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Speaker 1: Give the audience, this great audience of God Bless football,

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Speaker 1: a full description of your first pitch at f I

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Speaker 1: U yesterday. And by the way, happy march madness. I know, no, great,

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Speaker 1: what a great day. And you and I after this,

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Speaker 1: we're off.

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Speaker 2: I only have a couple of hours left before I

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Speaker 2: do my bracket. I gotta get it in before the deadline.

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Speaker 1: You still haven't filled it out yet.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I have it. Here's the thing I haven't,

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Speaker 2: but I know that I'm going to do like eight

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Speaker 2: in the next like thirty minutes, so I'm going to

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Speaker 2: catch up. But I need to kind of get to

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Speaker 2: it before these games start because the game starts soon.

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Speaker 1: They start, like from the time we're taping this right now, Bill,

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Speaker 1: they start in less than two hours.

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Speaker 2: You gotta yeah, yeah, I got it. Don't don't worry

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Speaker 2: about me. I'll get this done.

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Speaker 1: How was the first pitch? Before we get the sims?

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what takes tann about had to say,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll bring it. We'll bring in Chris Simms.

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Speaker 1: But how was the first pitch? Most importantly it was

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Speaker 1: it was really cool.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I'm really thankful to everyone at

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Speaker 2: FIU that had me there. I met the president of

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Speaker 2: the university. They have a new president that I hadn't met.

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with him during the game.

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Speaker 2: A couple winnings.

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Speaker 1: Dr.

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Speaker 2: Jessel he was great.

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Speaker 1: The A. D.

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Speaker 2: Scott car was great. I met the head baseball coach,

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Speaker 2: which winn and he was cool. Everyone was really nice.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't as perfect a pitch as I would have

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Speaker 2: hoped for. But you know, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Right? Well, what happened? What happened with the pitch? What like?

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Speaker 1: Were you on the mound?

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Speaker 2: I did? I went up to the I went up

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Speaker 2: to the mound on them.

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Speaker 2: So I was throwing at an incline and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was a little low and away. It maybe scraped

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Speaker 2: a little bit of dirt right before the catcher's glove.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he picked it a little bit. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: in fact, I can't say that it didn't because a

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Speaker 2: lot of people say, no, no, he kind of before

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Speaker 2: it hit the ground. But I have the ball right there,

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Speaker 2: and the ball, the ball definitely has dirt on it,

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Speaker 2: so I can't pretend that it didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: I like a ball with a little dirt on it.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: It's a character gets a charm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. With my hats, that's why

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Speaker 1: they're so dirty. I say that all the time.

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Speaker 2: That's why. And your clothes and love dirty balls.

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Speaker 1: At my general yes, I do. My general way of

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Speaker 1: being billy. Yeah, who doesn't love dirty balls? Mike Ye,

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Speaker 2: Well, no, he didn't like inflated balls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were dirty. Nonetheless, they were illegal. So

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. You got a nice ovation. People are happy.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean I don't know about a nice ovation,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, it was nice. It was a really good time.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question really quick before we

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Speaker 2: go over to take Tannembaum, before we step away from

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Speaker 2: football for a second. Actually this is great because I

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Speaker 2: can ask both of you. So your closer got hurt

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Speaker 2: celebrating yesterday in the World Baseball Class. Yes, saw that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I saw. My Mets fans are really really mad about this.

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Speaker 2: We don't even know the severity of it.

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: You assume that I just saw. Everybody was losing their mind.

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Speaker 2: Is it's kind of funny. I mean, hopefully he's okay.

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Speaker 2: Obviously his brother. Look, we don't know the diagnosis. His

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Speaker 2: brother crying on the field seemed like like a lot

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Speaker 2: so like, he's not gonna lose his leg. I don't think,

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Speaker 1: It'll be No one's saying he's going to lose a leg.

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Speaker 1: But I lost a closer and a very good closer,

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Speaker 1: and I might have lost him for the year. He

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Speaker 1: was taking off on a wheelchair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's never good.

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Speaker 3: You signed two forty year old pitchers and you're twenty

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Speaker 3: something year old closers the little one that gets hurt.

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Speaker 2: I'm so mad at the Mets, by the way, why

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Speaker 2: because they're starting Max Shu's are on opening days. So

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Speaker 2: you had this the chance they just signed Verlander. You

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Speaker 2: both side young winders against each other, and they're starting

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Speaker 2: shures are instead. Don't get me started on the Mets.

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Speaker 1: I won't, but you guys let me in perfectly. All

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Speaker 1: these things happened to the Mets. Yeah, they happened to

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Speaker 1: the Jets too, and so Mikey, Yeah, I was telling

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Speaker 1: Billy right before you came on. Takes Tanninbam Mike Tannenbaum

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Speaker 1: on ESPN, former Jets general manager. By the way, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what he said was the Packers are an absolutely no

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Speaker 1: rush to get a deal done. They're going to get

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Speaker 1: the exact package that they want, and what could happen,

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Speaker 1: no rush, and what could happen between now and then

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Speaker 1: is a quarterback on another team gets hurt. That team

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Speaker 1: is more attractive to Aaron Rodgers, and they offer a

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Speaker 1: better package to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers. So, as

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday, the reason my excitement was tampered just

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Speaker 1: a little bit was because it's the Jets, and with

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Speaker 1: the Jets. So that scenario is still out there until

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Speaker 1: it's official, until he's at a Jets podium, until he's

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Speaker 1: New York Jet. I don't intend to be a New

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Speaker 1: York Jet. It's not done yet. Excited, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: There is a dead one I'm coming and it's about

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Speaker 3: a month away, and it's the draft. Because Green Bay

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Speaker 3: to want to do it. So nothing spurs action like deadline.

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Speaker 3: The deadline is the draft. That's when it's going to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask all like this yesterday, but my

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Speaker 2: baby kept crying, so I had to keep stepping out.

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Speaker 2: What Aaron Rodgers did yesterday almost seem like it was

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Speaker 2: to put more pressure on the Jets to make it

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Speaker 2: happen already. And I could be wrong, but when he

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Speaker 2: was saying, like I intend to be there, the deal

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Speaker 2: interpreted as hey, packers, get it done, but really it's

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Speaker 2: like the Jets are the ones that need to get

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Speaker 2: this done, not the packers. The packers can just wait.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Jets are all in here. And the other

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Speaker 1: thing that happened along the way there is if you

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Speaker 1: listen to that entire interview with Rogers and McAfee, he

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Speaker 1: did apply pressure to the Jets. He also said the

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Speaker 1: packers should do the right thing by him on the

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Speaker 1: way out, please, And the packers don't do that. They

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Speaker 1: didn't do it for Brett Farv and they're not doing

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Speaker 1: it for him. How about the hundred they don't like him?

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Speaker 2: How about one hundred and fifty million dollars they gave

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Speaker 1: Now you see why I'm concerned it's starting to make

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Speaker 3: Think what Aaron tried to do was put the pressure

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Speaker 3: is what happened. But also, remember you said they didn't

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Speaker 3: do the right thing by far like Farv was traded

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Speaker 3: for a conditional fourth round pick, Like FARV didn't go

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Speaker 3: for two ones and whatever, it was a conditional.

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Speaker 1: Fourth Mikey, I understand that. I'm just saying the Packers

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Speaker 1: don't treat their great players great on the way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he just don't. They don't traditionally.

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Speaker 2: Bill Okay, has Aaron treated the Packers great nos a

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And that's why the Packers are going

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Speaker 2: And wait and make them sweat it out, and well

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Speaker 2: should And here's here there was also the difference between

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Speaker 2: the Far situation, you knew you had Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 2: you knew you would be okay. I don't think you

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Speaker 4: You're coming.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they knew it at that point. Really,

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Speaker 3: I think they knew what they had at Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: I think it's not like Farbes sat out games and

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Speaker 3: Rogers played. Yeah, remember like Farv never sat out.

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Speaker 1: They had no one Mike. But I'll remind you before

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Speaker 1: they got rid of Farm, they went to an NFC

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Speaker 1: kicked a field goal that put the Giants into the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. After far they go to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with Farv that year. He's coming back for the following year.

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Speaker 1: He just is, I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 1: They lost that game. Remember Tom conflences phase, it was frozen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to go out on a limb,

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Speaker 2: and Chris Simms is the expert on this. I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to say, Jordan Love is not going to be

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Like it's not going to be the same transition.

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Speaker 1: Let's see up there, Sims, Is Jordan Love going to

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Speaker 1: be Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's a high bar to set, Like,

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Speaker 4: I like, where your head's at, Bill Gill, you're the man.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, guys. But yeah, no, I mean

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Speaker 4: those are lofty expectations, right, I mean you're talking to

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is arguably the greatest quarterback ever, certainly in

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Speaker 4: that conversation. So no, I'm not expecting that. But we

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Speaker 4: have seen a trend of upwards play from Jordan Love,

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Speaker 4: and then I think not having Rogers there will give

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Speaker 4: like he's always being compared to Rogers or Oh Rodgers

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Speaker 4: would have done that. So yeah, no, I'm not expecting

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Speaker 4: him to be Aaron Rodgers or Brett Barr, but he's

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Speaker 4: shown signs of at least being a quality starter. We'll

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Speaker 4: see where it goes.

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Speaker 2: Well, the point that we were trying to make before

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Speaker 2: you joined, Chris was that the Packers can just sit

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Speaker 2: around and get exactly what they want from the Jets

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Speaker 2: like they do. They're in no rush to make this happened,

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Speaker 2: because why just do him a favor and do the

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Speaker 2: traded I think for a conditional fourth. Mikey said you

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Speaker 1: And Chris, the reason we're going down this path is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, no, I think there's a lot of like

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Speaker 4: Like the Packers don't have pressure on them, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: He continues to talk.

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Speaker 4: He continues to, you know, maybe make things uncomfortable for them,

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Speaker 4: The other part of it, too, is it's not a

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Speaker 4: And I bet you that scares them to death too,

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Speaker 4: because then all the things that we've always kind of

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Speaker 4: I don't think he gives a shit anymore. He hasn't

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Speaker 4: this is unprecedented. Unprecedented. Right, I'm starting to hear that

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Speaker 4: that doesn't happen. Wait, guys that we know one team

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Speaker 5: Player in the history of your organization.

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Speaker 4: Where you'd like to go, Hey, let's kind of end

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Speaker 4: we'll take a because yeah, you're Aaron Rodgers and you've

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Speaker 2: But I mean, like not to take the packer's side,

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Speaker 1: Stuck around that shith hole for eighteen years and played

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Speaker 2: Okay, but he could have been he re signed, he

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Speaker 2: We need to start exploring other options.

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Speaker 4: Well, they've already got that option, so there's nothing for

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Speaker 2: To get they got to get out of that contract

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I understand that. You know, the contract's not

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Speaker 5: So he wasn't totally you.

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Speaker 4: Know, at the behest of whatever they do, right because

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Speaker 4: So that's where I can't fault them. Now, to your point, Billy,

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Speaker 1: The Jets, because they're the oh wait, wait, wait, no

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Speaker 1: last thing. Wait, hold on, stop he remembered it. Hold on, Scott,

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Speaker 1: stop the press. You're the one talking.

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Speaker 2: You need to stop.

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Speaker 4: Stop that cloud A weed finally got out of there.

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Speaker 5: I got good.

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Speaker 4: It takes I don't know, but Stu Gott, I want

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Speaker 4: Billy the least supported superstar quarterback.

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Speaker 5: In the history of football.

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Speaker 4: By far. It's really not even never a top tier defense,

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Speaker 5: You know he has done and we've put them.

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Speaker 4: I think there's probably a little bitterness in his heart,

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Speaker 4: Like to your point, Billy, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Billy won four m vps for them, Who cares?

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Speaker 2: I Like, I like this when went without McCarthy, You

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Speaker 2: Chris of like in high school when you had to

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Speaker 2: Even though I don't necessarily believe everything I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I think a counter We got to bring out the

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Speaker 1: Sitting here too, And all I'm saying is Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: I expect it to happen.

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Speaker 4: You know. If those what I'm hearing with the packers

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Speaker 4: that's two. They're drawing too hard of a line there.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I'm expecting listen, I'm expecting to take you know, a

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Speaker 4: Right right, Well, and you know I know what you

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Speaker 4: like you brought up to, like the Tannin bomb point

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Speaker 5: I mean, when do we see when do we.

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Speaker 4: that's just wishful thinking and and like bullshit storylines to

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Speaker 1: more attractive to the Packers. They don't have payphon, might

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Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick, Yeah, but Mike, they

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Speaker 4: I hear you. I do, I hear you. But like

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Speaker 4: I'm sick of talking about Aaron Rodgers too. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is this is to me crazy. You know, I've

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Speaker 4: it's not even similar it's not similar.

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Speaker 5: You can't compare that.

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Speaker 4: First off, Matthew Stafford was making a third of the

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Speaker 6: A player, so they had to pay a premium to

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Speaker 6: get him out the door too, right, And Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 4: You were gonna if you got him, you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: the second but then yeah, but yet still end of

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Speaker 4: his career. We know that team doesn't want him all

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Speaker 4: that third round pick, right, I mean, there's really very

435
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Speaker 4: few stories where you could ever look at where wait,

436
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Speaker 4: we know a team didn't want them, they were gonna

437
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Speaker 4: move on, the guy might not play much longer, and

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Speaker 4: you get a first round pick out of that. That's

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Speaker 4: that's unprecedented territory.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you the two teams who won this intended trade. Okay,

442
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Speaker 1: the Lions because they now have the same and best

443
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Speaker 1: quarterback of the NFC, Billy Golfer. Guy, he's winning the war.

444
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Speaker 1: Lost the battle, but won the war amazing. And the

445
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Speaker 1: Bears adjusted fields like they're the winners to get Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers out of that division, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah they all are. They're all gonna be

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Speaker 4: happy to see Aaron Rodgers go. I mean, yes, the Bears,

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Speaker 4: especially their fan base. You know, he likes to remind

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Speaker 4: them that he films them, you know, every now and then. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean he's dominated dominated that division for fifteen years

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Speaker 4: for the most part. But yeah, it's it's it's for

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Speaker 4: the taking now. I mean, man, with the Bears have

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Speaker 4: done in free agency so far. We know Detroit's good

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota, it's it's a different NFC North now with

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Speaker 4: this dynamic.

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Speaker 1: It is PFD with Mike Florio every day on Peacock

458
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Speaker 1: on NBC at c SIMMS QB on Twitter. You like

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Speaker 1: what the Bears did there? Huh? So you think the

461
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Speaker 1: Bears have made all the right moves here. They're building

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Speaker 1: around Justin Fields, got him a receiver, and Dj Moore

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Speaker 1: they got picked. I thought that was a great trade,

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Speaker 1: Chris great.

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Speaker 4: I mean great trade. It was a great trade for both. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, first off, Carolina, it was shit or get

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Speaker 4: off the pot time they were stuck in a spot

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Speaker 4: where they might not get one of the top quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: in the draft. I would think that, you know, Frank

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Speaker 4: Reich has a certain quarterback he's got his eye on.

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Speaker 4: And now they end that discussion. So now they can

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Speaker 4: do their due diligence and figure out exactly who they

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Speaker 4: want instead of, oh, what are we going to do

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Speaker 4: another one year rental Teddy Bridgewater and then it's you know,

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Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold and so yeah, now they

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Speaker 4: solidify that and their team is very close to being

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Speaker 4: ready and taking that next step. Now. The Dj Moore

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Speaker 4: part of it was the one part where I was like, damn,

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Speaker 4: they got it. You want a quarterback in one and

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Speaker 4: now you're giving away the best weapon. But obviously that's

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Speaker 4: what got them over the edge for the trade. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, I know we've hit on DJ Moore before.

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Speaker 4: DJ Moore is a superstar. If he's not stuck in

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Speaker 4: Carolina for this first part of his career and he's

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Speaker 4: with a team that has a good offense and good quarterback,

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Speaker 4: we're going you know, is he one of the two

487
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Speaker 4: or three best receivers in the sport. He's amazing. So

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Speaker 4: I am. That was a great move by the Bears.

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Speaker 4: The offense is very close, other than maybe they need

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Speaker 4: a lineman or two to help out round the roster.

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Speaker 4: But damn you know Claypool, Darnell Mooney and DJ Moore

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Speaker 4: along with Cole Kamet and then Justin Field's ability to run.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna give people some problems, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: And then what they did on the deep beds to

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Speaker 4: where I expect them to keep killing it with the linebackers,

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Speaker 4: you know, the d lineman from Tennessee. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'd like to move so far as to guns.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the Dolphins here. What'd you

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Speaker 1: make Billy's excited about Jalen Ramsey. He should be. I

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Speaker 1: think they give him a third round pick, just like yeah,

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Speaker 1: And he's equally excited about Mike White because he can

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Speaker 1: envision the scenario where Mike White leads the Dolphins to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and they beat the Jets and the

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Speaker 1: Jets and the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: Chris, you're not game. You're not gonna believe this, Chris.

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Speaker 2: But as soon as Mike White signed with the Dolphins,

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Speaker 2: of all people to got somebody, you're like, ah, you

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Speaker 2: got Mike White on like for two years you've been

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Speaker 2: talking about how great Mike White is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now now you want to crap on them, right Yeah,

511
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Speaker 4: typical Jets talk right there, you know, typical Jets song,

512
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Speaker 4: some fake tough guys over there.

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Speaker 5: I do like the Mike White signing.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, Mike White is a borderline starter, as

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Speaker 4: we discussed, if not one of the better backups in football.

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Speaker 4: So that's a great insurance policy for Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: like you just said, Stu Gotts. That team's loaded. They're

518
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Speaker 4: an all star team, so you want to protect that

519
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Speaker 4: in case too it does get hurt, have an issue

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Speaker 4: that you don't fall off earth here, uh and be

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Speaker 4: you know, look like you did in the Wildcard game

522
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Speaker 4: where you can move the ball or do anything there.

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Speaker 4: The Jalen Ramsey trade is amazing. I mean, they're playing

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Speaker 4: with house money right now. So yeah, and then the

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Speaker 4: third round pick uh and and Jalen Ramsey, like you know,

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Speaker 4: like I said that, my controversial tweet is he's not

527
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Speaker 4: like a shutdown Island corner anymore. But he's one of

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Speaker 4: the best overall secondary players in football, and I think

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Speaker 4: he's a guy that can make that transition to safety

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Speaker 4: and be really good at that position. But holy crap,

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Speaker 4: I mean him, Xavier Howard, that d line. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I like what the Dolphins are doing and they're clearly

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Speaker 4: one of the best rosters in football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, Bill, You're excited.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm excited. I'm excited in this Dolphins. By

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Speaker 2: the way, for Mike White, great deal, like great deal

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Speaker 2: for him because if anything happens too, he's gonna get

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Speaker 2: a lot of playing.

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Speaker 4: That's That's that's where I'm a proponent of. If you're

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Speaker 4: a backup, Like, hey, I know we're all worried.

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Speaker 5: About economics and our money and all that.

542
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Speaker 4: But if I'm a backup going for every last dollar

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Speaker 4: in the world, go to a place where you know,

544
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Speaker 4: if you get a chance to play, you can show

545
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Speaker 4: people everything you got and then you're going to really

546
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Speaker 4: strike it rich with the next contract, especially when you're

547
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Speaker 4: that borderline starter backup type of guy there, so that

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Speaker 4: that makes a lot of sense. It's a good move

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Speaker 4: by him.

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Speaker 1: I'm not certain the Saints, and I'm saying this seriously,

551
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Speaker 1: the Saints have two starters, Like I'm not I'm not

552
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Speaker 1: certain they don't have the best starter backup combination in

553
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Speaker 1: the NFL. If something happens to Derek Carr, Jamis Winston

554
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Speaker 1: is there to replace him, and Winston can win you

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Speaker 1: a couple of games.

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Speaker 4: We've seen them do it, you know, definitely. You know

557
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Speaker 4: the Saints are. They're sneaky, you know, especially now with

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Speaker 4: Michael Thomas back, and we saw Corso lave and NFC.

559
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Speaker 4: The NFC South sucks, right, you know Rashid she Head,

560
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Speaker 4: he was a rookie receiver as good.

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Speaker 5: That defense was top five or six in football.

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Speaker 4: I mean yeah, And you're right, Derek Carr good solid

563
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Speaker 4: starting quarterback. Jameis Winston like great backup up, and i

564
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Speaker 4: mean listen, they're gonna have days in practice where they're

565
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Speaker 4: gonna be like, wait, Jamis was better than Derek carterday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Jamis has got some special talents. Uh, but yeah,

567
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Speaker 4: that was a nice move by by the New Orleans

568
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Speaker 4: Saints to get that solidified and give their team an

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Speaker 4: organization confidence going forward.

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Speaker 1: Uh, what do you make of what's going on with

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson? Just all of it is someone's going to

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Speaker 1: make him an offer, right, Chris.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if any I mean, I feel like

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Speaker 4: Washington was the one team I was looking at there

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Speaker 4: now they designed to Kobe Perssett. I feel like that

576
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Speaker 4: was a sign that was like, no, we're doing what

577
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Speaker 4: we said we're gonna do Sam Howell, and we got

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Speaker 4: ja Kobe Brissett. We're gonna go from there. You know again,

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Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons, and I'm listen, I'm

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Speaker 4: all for Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 5: I want Lamar Jackson paid.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I've been a little vilified as a Lamar hater because

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Speaker 4: I'm saying to go get an agent and so and

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Speaker 4: why do I want him to get an agent?

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Speaker 5: Because oh, I want him to get paid right, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Because every great quarterback in the history of football,

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Speaker 4: you know what they had, right, right. And that's why

590
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Speaker 4: they're all sitting on piles of hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Not just an agent, the best agents. They are on

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Speaker 1: an offer right right.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I just I don't understand the approach.

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Speaker 4: And then there's been an inability to show to get

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Speaker 4: a contract done in any facet of life with anything.

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Speaker 4: You know. I kind of broke news a few weeks

597
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Speaker 4: ago about listen. I know shoe apparel deals that have

598
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: been big money face of you know, some of the

599
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Speaker 4: apparel companies, and they can't get it done for all

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Speaker 4: the same things you're hearing about with the Ravens. So

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Speaker 4: I think that's why they also put you know, the

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Speaker 4: lower tender on them, because one they were like, all right,

603
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Speaker 4: go gauge the market so you can see that our

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Speaker 4: offer's damn good. And then two they were probably like,

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Speaker 4: we don't think you can get a deal done with

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Speaker 4: anybody anyway, so fine, go ahead and try to talk

607
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Speaker 4: to somebody and figure this out.

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Speaker 5: So I just feel like it's Waltimore bust and not

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Speaker 5: because of his talent.

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Speaker 4: Like I hated the collusion talk about like the owners

611
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Speaker 4: got together and they were like, let's not get Lamar. No, no,

612
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Speaker 4: everybody loves Lamar. This is not Colin Kaepernick or anything

613
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Speaker 4: like that. This is just it's called good business. It's

614
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Speaker 4: called billionaires. Saw a stupid deal that Deshaun Watson got,

615
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Speaker 4: and they said, wait what, we don't got to call

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Speaker 4: each other to collude. They never wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: That our own Like, I'm naive on this right, But

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Speaker 2: it's such a competitive league. Why would the owners collude

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Speaker 2: on anything if they could end up just breaking rank

620
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Speaker 2: and getting a great player. Now, I've never understood the

621
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Speaker 2: idea of Now I'm saying that they're doing it here.

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Speaker 2: I've never understood the idea of all of them in

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Speaker 2: unison deciding, you know what, let's just let this talented

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Speaker 2: player go when they could actually in fact benefit my team.

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Speaker 2: Just to make a larger point, I think.

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Speaker 1: What SIMS is saying here is they're not colluding against

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Speaker 1: them if there is indeed, which is almost impossible to prove,

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Speaker 1: they're colluding against Jimmy Haslm's band deal they want to

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Speaker 1: get that contracts in order.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying just overall, I've never understood the idea

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Speaker 2: of illusion in the NFL and every single team saying,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not going to sign said talented

633
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Speaker 2: player just to stick with my guys when they could

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Speaker 2: help you out.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know, it depends, you know, you're painting

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Speaker 4: a broad brush there. But I think there's certain things

637
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: where you know, it's just like the league knows, the

638
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: owners know, the GMS know, the head coaches. Hey, we

639
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: don't want to do this.

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Speaker 5: We don't want to set precedent and.

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Speaker 4: Go down this road because it's going to cause problems, right,

642
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 4: just like it is for the Ravens today.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: And it took a that's where with Lamar you know

645
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: and everything you hear that you know wants a contract

646
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Speaker 4: similar to that. But that was a crazy set of circumstances.

647
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Speaker 4: How Deshaun Washington got that contract. He got lucky. He

648
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Speaker 4: got a team that totally hut the whole situation and went,

649
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: oh no, we're not going to have any quarterback.

650
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 5: He was the first they were the first team.

651
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: He canceled out. If you're member the first team, he went,

652
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: I'm not going to Cleveland. And then he went on

653
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: a few visits and he was like, what you'll offer me? What? Okay,

654
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: Cleveland's back in the mix, and and and that's why

655
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: that happened. This is not the same they're offering them.

656
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: By all due accounts, the greatest contract we've ever seen

657
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 4: in football history other than Watson or maybe this recent

658
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: extension by Aaron Rodgers. And I just want to make

659
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: sure the guy gets protected because I think he's awesome

660
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: and he should already be sitting on a pile of cash,

661
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: and he's he's dropping the ball here in my opinion.

662
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: Do you think teams are just staying away from even

663
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: negotiating with Lamar because they already know the price tag

664
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: is too high?

665
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 5: Or is it?

666
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not even gonna I'm not even going to

667
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: talk to you because I know I'm not going where

668
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: you need me to go.

669
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think that's it, though, I think

670
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: you're right. They know they know through the great buying,

671
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: the things that we've all known and heard from everybody,

672
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: and the expectations. And I think on top of that,

673
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: Mike two, you know, you know, one, he might not

674
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: fit everybody's philosophy. Two, it was a weird year where

675
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: some teams and some issues or they got you know,

676
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: some seats got filled, and I don't know if they

677
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: knew which way they wanted.

678
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: To go at the quarterback direction yet.

679
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 4: But then the other aspect too, is like not only

680
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: we know what to expect and that, but the other

681
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: thing that I think it's lost on this. Mikeylis, I

682
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: would think about it. If I'm a GM, I think

683
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: you'll be the same when guys say this is that like, okay, wait,

684
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: we signed him to a contract and now it's a

685
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: five year deal, and hey, we're getting done with year three,

686
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: right gosh, I mean we're seeing all the problems he's

687
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: had doing contracts. Are we going to be in the

688
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: same boat here again? At Baltimore's in I think that

689
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: scares people away too, just the unexpected, not knowing what

690
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 4: you're going to get from Lamar Jackson and those kind

691
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: of departments that would scare conservative NFL people away.

692
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Chris, let's up, bounce around, quickly, get out of here.

693
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Just I'm going to give you a name of signing

694
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: the team, and then you just give us your thoughts.

695
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Garoppolo to the Raiders, go ahead.

696
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean had to be done.

697
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: They were kind of stuck in a bad spot to

698
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: a little bit like the Panthers, where you know, there's

699
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: a good chance where they were drafting, they could have

700
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: been looking at it going, man, the two or three

701
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 4: guys we wanted they're gone. So they got a guy

702
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: that they're familiar with and Garoppolo. I think he's more

703
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: along what they want at quarterback. You know, he knows

704
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: their system, you know, not that he's more talented than

705
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: Derek Carr. But where I would think they really respect

706
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: Garoppolo is that he will stand in the pocket all

707
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: day and take hits, and he will pull the trigger

708
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: into tight windows and be fearless. Sometimes they were like,

709
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: what there was five guys there, what the are you

710
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: doing right? But you know, I think that's where that group,

711
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: knowing them, they over they respect Garoppolo and that's why

712
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: they liked him and drafting them when they were all

713
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: in New England.

714
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: I think that the Giants have done a fantastic job

715
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: here by resigning a couple of their own guys. Joe Shane,

716
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: my friend who's the GM of the Giants. I think

717
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: that I sent them a text saying I'm so proud

718
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: of you. You were ready for this job because he's

719
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: done a good job. And so to resign Daniel Jones,

720
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: to get Saquon on the tag, and then to add

721
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, holy shit, Sims.

722
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: Holy is right? You know. The first thing was the

723
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 4: Jones Saquon Barkley thing. That was awesome, right, and then

724
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: you know, even getting Bobby o'karakee from the Colts and

725
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: middle linebacker, much needed position for the Giants. And then yeah,

726
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: they got Darren Waller, and I mean a game changing

727
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: type player. And I think, you know, because one they

728
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: wanted them, and two a little bit how free agency

729
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: played out to where I think it finally the scenario

730
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: went to where the Raiders. I don't think we're intending

731
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: to ever trade Darren Waller, but once they realized, like,

732
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: you know, oh, Jacoby Myers is available at this price,

733
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: I think it must have changed their thought. Let alone, again,

734
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: knowing that group in the Raiders and having worked in

735
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: New England, you know, they're analytics based and how they

736
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: evaluate things, right, So I would bet they looked at

737
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: it and went, wait, Darren Waller, he's thirty one years old,

738
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: he's been injured a lot over the last two years.

739
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: You know, in New England they get rid of you

740
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 4: a year before you're done, right where everybody else thinks

741
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 4: you're done. That's that's who they've learned from. So I

742
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: think there's a little bit of that, you know, and

743
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: then they look at it and go, wait, Jacoby Myers.

744
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 4: Be get them locked up for three years and from

745
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: all due accounts, it's one of the best tight end

746
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 4: classes that's been seen in football over the last twenty years.

747
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 4: In the NFL draft to where they probably saw that

748
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: now too and went, okay, we we can't. You know,

749
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: we can't pay all these guys. He's getting up there.

750
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 4: There's an injury history the tight ends. Richard Richmond in

751
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: this position of the draft, let's move them, and it

752
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: worked out for all. But yeah, that was awesome for

753
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 4: the Giants.

754
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: Baker to the Bucks, what do you think they're awesome?

755
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 4: Shocked by the low price tag a little bit?

756
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it does.

757
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 4: Like lend itself to wait, if some quarterback did fall

758
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 4: to where they're drafting that, maybe they would think about

759
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: taking it when you're making that kind of number. But

760
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: to the point we made a little bit earlier about

761
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 4: like the backups and good spots with Mike Whites, all Right,

762
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: you know what's better going to.

763
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 5: A backup somewhere and getting eight.

764
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: Million dollars or going somewhere and then going, hey, wait,

765
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: you're going to start and if you play well, you'll

766
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 4: get a contract for twenty eight million dollars. The next year.

767
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: I think he made the right play. They got to

768
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: fix some O line things, But damn there's still Mike

769
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: Evans and God went down there and some guys in

770
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: that defense to where. You know, I think it's smart

771
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 4: by both sides to get that done quickly.

772
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: If Kyle Shanahan could not fix Sam Donald. Are we

773
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: done talking about Sam Donalds? Yeah, that's not right to

774
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: do to Brock by the way. You believe in the kid.

775
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: Believe in the kid.

776
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I don't think this is an indictment

777
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: on Brock Purdy. I I don't.

778
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

779
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 4: You know, Sam Donald's got maybe more physical ability than

780
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: Brock Purdy, but he can't play the way Perdy does.

781
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 4: Purdy's got a natural feel of just you know, being

782
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: a natural at the game. Oh let me slide here,

783
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: let me throw it like this. Oh let me just

784
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: put a little touch. Oh he's about to come open.

785
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: Let me throw it now, blue him. It hits it

786
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: in the hole. That's where he's good. Those are things

787
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 4: Sam Donald's not great at, you know, so hopefully he

788
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: can learn those things from Shenyan.

789
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: But I think more along the.

790
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: Lines is you know, really Stu gotsis if Purdy's not

791
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 4: ready to start the year right away.

792
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: Now, at least they got a guy.

793
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: They go, Okay, we're not totally horrible, and he can

794
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: run the offense and make some plays and we can

795
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 4: still win some games behind this guy.

796
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: Our buddy, Austin Eckler, who joins us every week here

797
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: on God Bless Football. It's funny because he said this

798
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: to us, I don't know, weeks ago when Sakwan Barkley said,

799
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to break the bank, and

800
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: Eckler said, no, it's your responsibility to break the bank

801
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: because you're the leader of all the running backs. And

802
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: now Eckler has assumed that position. He requested a trade, said, like,

803
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: forty touchdowns the last two years, Chris, Someone's gonna bite

804
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: on that, right Like he's got six million left on

805
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: a contract, also on a body that he says already

806
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: hurts them, like he's twenty seven years old and he's

807
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: in pain. And so forty touchdowns over the next two years.

808
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: I would imagine either he'll get a deal from the

809
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: Chargers or someone's gonna trade for him.

810
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: Right something, I mean something. They got a sweeten the

811
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 4: horrible disaster of the NFL running back store.

812
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

813
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: It's just it's so messed up.

814
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 5: Oh, you're in your prime.

815
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: You're awesome. We're gonna just use you and wear you

816
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: down and just give you the ball all the time.

817
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: Oh wait, you want a new contract. Well, you're not

818
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: in your prime anymore. You're worn out a little bit.

819
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: Oh oh okay, great, that's because of you guys. They

820
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 4: got to figure out a new formula to pay these

821
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: guys earlier in their career when they're still at their best.

822
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 4: It's not fair.

823
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: It's not that.

824
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what that is.

825
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Interesting.

826
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: They have like lotted NFL system where it's like, okay,

827
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: a fifth round pick who's making nothing, you know, leaves

828
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 4: the league in touchdowns, he gets three million dollars.

829
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 5: It doesn't count against the cat whatever. They got to

830
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: figure something out.

831
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: It's not it's not right.

832
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: In Eckler's case, he wishes he was a fifth round pick.

833
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: He was undrafted.

834
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: I know, well, and that's the first thing I would say.

835
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 4: And you could tell him, I said this, don't talk

836
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 4: about his body not feeling good anymore. Okay, that's not

837
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: going to help him, all right.

838
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: So uh, but like ask him every single week.

839
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Listen, he is just saying he was he was trying

840
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: to a position he's taking us through week by week

841
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of what his body feels like, what it's like

842
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: to play in the nfl'st Austin millions.

843
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: That's millions of dollars.

844
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's the most car crashed position

845
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: or job in all of the world. I mean, you know,

846
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: I used to give the ball to Mike Austar or

847
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: Cadillac Williams and turn around and go, oh my god.

848
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: I would have broke my neck four times on that play,

849
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: Like I can't believe there's he's still running Like I'm like,

850
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: it's They're unbelievable.

851
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 5: They're pound for pound, the strongest people on the planet.

852
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, he needs to get paid. I get that,

853
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: and he probably didn't get the signals he wanted from

854
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 4: the Chargers.

855
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be shocked to if the.

856
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: Chargers or Kellen Moore maybe want a little bit more

857
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: of a bigger bell cow traditional type running back, maybe

858
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 4: to a degree. I don't know that.

859
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 5: I'm just throwing that out there, you know.

860
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot of things, but I

861
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: got to think a team that likes to throw the

862
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: ball and spread the field. Austin Eckler is going to

863
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 4: be right up their alley because he's one of the

864
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: best pass catching backs in football. And he is damn

865
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 4: good between the tackles for his size too.

866
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: He really is. That's why you're the best. I mean,

867
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: there's many reasons. But you handed the ball to all

868
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: Stock and you actually felt bad, Like gee.

869
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 5: I literally would turn like I would.

870
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 4: Like, oh my god. I mean all the time, all

871
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: the time. And then I even felt even worse if

872
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: it was like I'm throwing the ball to Michael Pittman

873
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh no, ray Lewis is there?

874
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: You see the incoming.

875
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: I did that once and I was like, oh no,

876
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: he's dead. He's dead, and I just murdered him, Oh

877
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: my gosh. Or as bad as I would feel when

878
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: I'd be like bluey five, blue Edy five and as

879
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: I'm getting ready to say set hut, like Zach Thomas

880
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 4: would be like, we're they're running right there, and he'd

881
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: be like, oh no, set hut, He's right here, you

882
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 4: go running back.

883
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 5: I mean, that's it's a brutal position, all right.

884
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: Two quick ones. I thought the most important under the

885
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: radar signing of this off of this free agency season,

886
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: because there's a badass mofo that you and I both

887
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: love at Cincinnati, Joe Burrow, I think I'm signing Orlando

888
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: Brown is huge, you agree.

889
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing. I mean needed to improve that position, right

890
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 4: it still wasn't good enough, even though they got to

891
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: the AFC Championship game and needed to be better.

892
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 5: And then Orlando Brown's a really awesome pass.

893
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: Protecting left tackle, you know, And I think there was

894
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of thoughts out there that

895
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: some teams Mwtamore is a right tackle then left tackle,

896
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: whatever it may be. It sounds like he overpriced himself

897
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: out of the market to a degree. That's where Kansas

898
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 4: City just said, forget it, We'll move on to Jawan Taylor.

899
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: And it looks like to me that he came to

900
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: his senses. They lowered their price a little bit. He's

901
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: still getting a lot of money. But yeah, starting left tackle,

902
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. And then I would think Jonah

903
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: Williams goes to right tackle, who's been their starting left tackle,

904
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 4: and that's gonna make them a lot better. And yeah,

905
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 4: adds to the rivalry but smart and it's smart to

906
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 4: protect Joe Burrow.

907
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Mikey A tells us your rookie ranking Quarterback rankings are

908
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: coming out on Monday. Oh yeah, so let's promote that

909
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: coming out on We want a sneak peek, Sims, We

910
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: do just a sneak peek. You talked about Carolina Frank Reig.

911
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: They have the number one pig, but they're coming out Monday.

912
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: Where could people find them before we get to a

913
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: little sneak peak here?

914
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, My Chris Sims on Button podcast is where

915
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: I will unveil the and that'll be out, you know,

916
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: at some point early afternoon Monday. I'll tape and probably

917
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: around ten ten thirty Monday morning, and that it'll be

918
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: out shortly after that. It's it's an interesting year. Okay,

919
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go too deep into it. There's five

920
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: six guys that I look at and go, damn, they're good.

921
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: Here's one part that I'll just throw out because I've

922
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: already thrown this out there and I put this on Twitter.

923
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: I this is not a controversial. This isn't me going

924
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: Oh wait, Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson are both really good.

925
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: I just like Zach Better. You know, I will be

926
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 4: shocked if c J. Stroud's not the number one pick.

927
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 4: C J. Stroud for me, was by far the best

928
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: quarterback of the draft. And I think that we're gonna

929
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think it's any any you saw

930
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 4: Carolina make the trade. Frank writes, A big quarterback who

931
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: played under other big quarterbacks. I think that's what he

932
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 4: believes in. You know, Stroud is an unbelievable thrower and

933
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: decision maker, and yeah, I for me, he is. He

934
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 4: is noticeably above the rest of the crew there, and

935
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: I will be shocked and he's not the number one pick.

936
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 4: And you're seeing that in the betting world two that

937
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: the odds have swayed that way too.

938
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: Is this it for you? Or is this like Kuiper's

939
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: like mock one point zero that then will change fifty times?

940
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: Like are these the definitive rankings? Like are you are

941
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: you holding back a little bit so that like the

942
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: week of the draft, you can switch things up and

943
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: trick everybody?

944
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 4: Simsos Now, I really never do that. I've maybe switched

945
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: like a three and a four around, right, you know,

946
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: I usually like have done my due diligence, and I'm

947
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 4: not going to really go back a whole lot more.

948
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: You know, of course you do and see certain things,

949
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 4: and you know, I usually always give a one more

950
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 4: once over about two or three weeks before the draft,

951
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: But in most years I've come away going, no, I

952
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: totally agree with how I I rank them or put them,

953
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: you know, like my worst change ever. Right, And I

954
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: got pressured into this, Billy, I really did. I let

955
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 4: I let public pressure get me. I had Lamar one

956
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: and Josh Allen two, right, and I was at the

957
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: front of the line yelling at the Bill Poleians of

958
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: the world who said he should have been a receiver

959
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 4: and all that. I was like, I mean literally about

960
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: the blow of vein out of my neck. I was

961
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: so mad about those comments. But as the process went on,

962
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: and I went to the combine and.

963
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, I can't tell you how many people

964
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 5: out of.

965
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 4: The comment oh Lamar Jackson number one, Lamar Jackson, Yo, man,

966
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 4: Oh you're crazy? Whoa what are you just trying to

967
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: get clicks and all that. And then I went to

968
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: the owners meeting like four weeks after that and was

969
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: still getting that from people to where I don't do

970
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: this anymore. But I was like, man, maybe there's something

971
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm missing here about the guy. You know, maybe he

972
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: can't talk English.

973
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: I don't know what the hell. I was like, maybe

974
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 5: there's just something I don't.

975
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 4: Know, right, And I backed him down the list because

976
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: of that, and I made a promise after that year

977
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: that I would never do that again. I would never

978
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: bow to those people. And I just I don't know

979
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 4: off the field stuff. I don't. I try. I only

980
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: watched the film and what I see there. So that's

981
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 4: how I try to stay true to It's the only

982
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: time I've really changed them though.

983
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: Ever, Billy click Sims, I mean, why didn't you do

984
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: this for us, Chris, Like, don't don't ruin your reveal

985
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: for your show.

986
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: Why don't you just tell us your top five, not

987
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: in order and then you can do it in the

988
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: right order on your show.

989
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 4: Yeah no, absolutely not.

990
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: That it was such a great way of trying to

991
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: push it. Attie. Really well, then there's.

992
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 4: Six that are in that top five conversation too, So.

993
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Billy, I think what he should do me much like

994
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament, Billy, like, you fill out one hundred

995
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: brackets and hold up the one that was closest to

996
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: being right. Yeah, I have one hundred different and just

997
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: after the draft, like a year from now, just hold

998
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 1: up the one that.

999
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 5: I'm coming.

1000
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 4: I'm I'm uh. I wasn't you know, happy with myself

1001
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 4: last year? Right, I really wasn't. And again I don't

1002
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: know you know again, but I all due accounts in

1003
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 4: year one, of course, Yeah, Kenny Pickett looked like the

1004
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: number one quarterback, right, I had not corral one, you know,

1005
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: I did not like the way he looked in the

1006
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 4: little preseason action that I did see him before he

1007
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: got you.

1008
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, don't take this personally, Chris.

1009
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: No one remembers who you picked last year, Like, don't

1010
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: beat yourself up over the only people that.

1011
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 4: Mentions on my social media, well that's the people that

1012
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: remember are the ones that feel slighted by you.

1013
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: But don't bother what they have to say. It doesn't matter, I.

1014
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: You know, forget everybody else. I am always what I

1015
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: call self scouting myself. Right. So that's where I'm and

1016
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: where where I did wrong last year is I didn't

1017
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: watch enough games. That's where I was mad at myself,

1018
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 4: like where I went and I just watched too many reels.

1019
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: Let me watch all the third downs, let me watch

1020
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: all the red zone plays, right, you know, and having

1021
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: a feel for the player overall and how he plays

1022
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: the complete game on first and second down and the

1023
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: situations and all that. I think I was not as

1024
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: good in that department last year. That's where I would

1025
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: say I'll be better, right.

1026
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: But draft grade for yourself, what would you give yourself

1027
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: last last year?

1028
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 4: I mean last year, I'll give myself like a quarterback. Yeah,

1029
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean I was good at other positions, but quarterback,

1030
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: I'd be like a B minus.

1031
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 5: Last year I wasn't very good.

1032
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: And we'll see, you know.

1033
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: And of course the Zach Wilson Trevor Lawrence thing.

1034
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 4: After year one, I was going, damn, I'm right, Zach

1035
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: Wilson's going to be better, and now here I am

1036
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: here two going oh shit, I'm in trouble.

1037
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: So better just being there and teaching that could be

1038
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: play the position PFD with my Florio every single day

1039
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: on Peacock the Unbutton podcast. He'll have his top five,

1040
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: his rookie ranking, his college ranking quarterbacks out on Monday

1041
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: and Football Night in America as well at c SIMS QB.

1042
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: You play baseball growing up, You ever throw out a

1043
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: first pitch of the game or anything? I did?

1044
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did once once Tampa Bay Devil Rays. They

1045
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: were playing the Yankees, right, I told them. I was like, wait,

1046
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 4: I'm a Yankees fan. Are you sure you want me

1047
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 4: to pitch the first pitch here? I'm like, I'm a

1048
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: die hard Yankees fan, right, Yeah, And it was Joel Madden,

1049
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: he was the manager. But yeah, they let me do it.

1050
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: But let me just tell you one of the most

1051
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: nervous throws of my life. It was the year after

1052
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: I lost my spleen, all right, And actually the first day,

1053
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: the first moment that I went, wait, something's not right

1054
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 4: with me. I can't control the ball. I was warming

1055
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 4: up to throw the first pitch, and I was throwing

1056
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 4: a few balls, and it was the first time I went, wait,

1057
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: something's not right with me. I can't I feel this

1058
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: the right way. And then of course I'm like, oh shit,

1059
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to be standing on a mount here five

1060
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: minutes throwing a ball in front of forty thousand.

1061
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: People, well Yankees, maybe the.

1062
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: Yankees saying there was. It was thirty five thousand Yankee

1063
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: fans and five thousand double right fans. But yeah, I

1064
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: got it done. I got it done, but it was

1065
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: not my best.

1066
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: You have something in common with Billy. He threw out

1067
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: the first pitch last night. How do you imagine Billy

1068
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: did throwing out that first pitchy where he went to college.

1069
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, that's him. Oh man, Well, Billy's a chicken shit.

1070
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: He threw some soft loftter up there, so he got

1071
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: it done.

1072
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 5: If he really tried to throw it, he would have skipped.

1073
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: It in there. But I know Billy, he just chicken

1074
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: shit of that thing in there and threw a twenty

1075
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: mile per hour fastball.

1076
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: Billy, there a twenty mile power patle that bounced right

1077
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: right after home plate. Did me no favors done?

1078
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 5: Gone way to go catch her?

1079
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: Sim there?

1080
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: If you moved a flean, I feel like you're bounced.

1081
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: I gotta find this pitch of yours.

1082
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: Bounce. It was actually probably a hair high, but the

1083
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 4: guy went up and got it. But send me your

1084
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: video and I'll tweet it out for my account. I

1085
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: owed you some Twitter move or something.

1086
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: Trying to get me made fun of more.

1087
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: You just told him a chicken shit.

1088
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: You're cyber bullying.

1089
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: Chris exactly, exactly.

1090
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: See sims q be on Twitter if you want to

1091
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: see Billy's first bit. All right, Chris, we appreciate it man.

1092
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1093
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: We know it's a busy time for you as always,

1094
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: but uh you're the best of the business. We appreciate it, man.

1095
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: All good, All good to gots, Billy, Mikey A good

1096
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 4: seeing you guys.

1097
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 5: I'll talk to you soon.

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00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 4: Here