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Speaker 3: the Boulder terrorist suspect is an Egyptian national in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it looks like a visa overstay Egyptian national.

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Speaker 2: You have someone who's an immigrant Egyptian national visa overstays.

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Speaker 2: I would just say that, similar to the attack that

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Speaker 2: directly at odds with you know, any movement to free

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Speaker 2: also true that if you're concerned about anti Semitism and

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Speaker 2: And so if you care about the safety of Jewish people,

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Speaker 3: Just want to underscore the point you made about peace

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Speaker 2: only Jeff Steined. Great Caesar, Hey, thanks for having me back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course, anytime. Let's go and put your latest reporting

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Speaker 4: Big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 2: Your headline is wall Street warns Trump aids the GOP

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Speaker 2: tax bill could jolt bond markets and if there's one

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Speaker 2: So tell us what you're hearing here.

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Speaker 5: So the core of the problem here is that, you know,

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Speaker 5: US interest rates are already very high, and the tax

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Speaker 5: bill could add between estimates very two to five trillion

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Speaker 5: that there's a question about the demand among investors worldwide

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Speaker 5: but what Wall Street is concerned about, what they're telling

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Speaker 6: I guess one underlying both that is the enemy within.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit about China, because

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Speaker 5: just hitting guys on Wall Street. We're not just hitting

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Speaker 5: sort of people who work at the ports and sort

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Speaker 5: of coastal types, but that they were really affecting trump'space.

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Speaker 5: Truckers and you know, sort of like shippers and people

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Speaker 5: who Trump considers his people were getting sort of clobbed

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Speaker 5: by these tariffs. And that fact we reported created the

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Speaker 5: space for White House officials who didn't like these tariffs

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Speaker 5: to go to Trump and say, hey, your own people,

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Speaker 5: your own base is getting hit by this, so you

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Speaker 5: need to figure out a way to get these things lowered.

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Speaker 5: And that was what led to the talks in Geneva

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Speaker 5: that led to the accord agree to buy Trader Tecerty.

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Speaker 5: To Harry Scott Besson, the thing that Trump is complaining

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Speaker 5: about is that even beyond the tariffs themselves, trying to

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Speaker 5: retaliated by restricting what it were called rare earth metals,

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Speaker 5: which are confusingly not actually that rare, but they are essential.

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Speaker 5: And basically eighty percent of production or facilitation synthesis of

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Speaker 5: these rare earth metals is in China. So basically most

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Speaker 5: of the vastngery of the world's production is there, and they

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Speaker 5: control that supply chain. That's critical for the US defense industry,

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Speaker 5: for US healthcare sector, for all kinds of really critical

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Speaker 5: economic functions. And I don't know enough personally to weigh

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Speaker 5: in on this, but the Trump administration feels that China

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Speaker 5: has not really removed those restrictions that they agreed to

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Speaker 5: in the Switzerland Acords, and that they're still continuing to

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Speaker 5: restrict those essential medals, and that that you know, might

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Speaker 5: not show open the macroeconomic data, but could severely sort

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Speaker 5: of weaken the US defense industrial capacity for a long time.

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Speaker 5: And you know, the President thinks that thought that he

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Speaker 5: had an agreement to get that off the books and

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Speaker 5: doesn't feel like that that has been violated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jeff, this also gets to this tension that

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Speaker 3: you started by mentioning at the beginning. On the one hand,

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Speaker 3: there's this Trump boys chickens out narrative. On the other hand,

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Speaker 3: as you said, you wrote down the level of tariff,

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Speaker 3: but like the increase of tariffs that we're actually at

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Speaker 3: from the baseline before Donald Trump took over, and you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe he's he's checking out on some of those points

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Speaker 3: or him sure, he would just say it was negotiation.

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, it actually still has a

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Speaker 5: And that's actually another really big part of the tax

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Speaker 5: bond market discussion, because if spending cuts of a huge

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Speaker 5: magnitude are politically unpalatable and they feel like they can't

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Speaker 5: really reduce the size of the tax cut itself anymore. Tariffs,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's been ridiculed, but it is true that

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Speaker 5: revenue it's bringing in through tariffs, and that can offset

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Speaker 5: the fears in the bond market. So, you know, we've

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Speaker 5: seen kind of a stalling of the deals that Trump

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Speaker 5: the Japanese and the Indians, that all that talk has

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Speaker 5: really slowed down, and I think there's a legitimate question

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Speaker 5: about whether part of that is due to the desire

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Speaker 5: to bring in revenue via these high import duties, which help,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's kind of an obvious point, but those

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Speaker 5: fall quite heavily on lower income Americans who rely, you know,

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Speaker 5: a disproportion to share their spending is on imports of

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Speaker 5: food and you know, other sort of critical necessities, whereas

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Speaker 5: you know, the tax bill disproportionately hurts them with the

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Speaker 5: spending cuts. So it's it's they're really potentially getting pinged

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Speaker 5: on both sides here.

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Speaker 4: Jeff, last question for you.

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Speaker 2: We had a court last week say, okay, these Liberation

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Speaker 2: Day tariffs, they vastly exceed the authority.

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Speaker 4: That you're invoking.

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Speaker 2: Here, we had another court say, okay, the Peelsport Court

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Speaker 2: said okay, well, while we're figuring this out, you can

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Speaker 2: still keep the tariffs in place. The Trump administration has

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Speaker 2: been very aggressive in going out and saying that regardless

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Speaker 2: of first of all, they're really mad about the court's decision,

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Speaker 2: but also second of all, they're saying, it doesn't change anything.

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Speaker 4: We have other powers we can use.

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Speaker 2: So what is your expectation of where we are with

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Speaker 2: regard to Trump and his desire and ability to you know,

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Speaker 2: to levy massive tariffs in whatever way he chooses to.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to bore your listeners anymore than

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Speaker 5: I already have, and especially with like along winded explanation

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Speaker 5: of like the different laws or right here, but to

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Speaker 5: try to give you a quick summary, Trump imposed tariffs

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Speaker 5: immediately under law called AIPO, which is a sort of

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Speaker 5: national security emergency, and that's the one that the courts

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Speaker 5: have targeted as being, you know, beyond the ability of

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Speaker 5: the president. That said, there are other tariff authorities. They're

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Speaker 5: called Section three h one and Section two thirty two

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Speaker 5: tariffs that basically require at first an administrative a you know, investigation.

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Speaker 5: The administration has to go out do a bunch of

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Speaker 5: work and then say, because of that work, now we

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Speaker 5: can do these tariffs. And that work is currently ongoing.

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Speaker 5: It just it just takes a little bit of time.

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Speaker 5: But there's really, I think, very very little doubt that

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Speaker 5: those tariffs can be slowed down by the courts. So

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Speaker 5: even if the courts take off the emergency powers tariffs

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Speaker 5: which they have you know, slowed down, but then we're

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Speaker 5: put back in. Even if that happens, there's still these

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Speaker 5: other terriff authorities that I don't think really anyone questioned

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Speaker 5: their ability to do, and I think those are going

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Speaker 5: to stay, and actually could be even bigger in some

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Speaker 5: ways than the National security teist because those are tariffs

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Speaker 5: on sector, so like every car, every bit of steal,

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Speaker 5: every you know, part of computer. So that's kind of

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Speaker 5: where this is heading. It could circumscribe to some of

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Speaker 5: the flexibility he has, but it doesn't change sort of

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Speaker 5: like the economic fundamentals of what he wants to do.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha all right, jefs Sin, thank you so much, and

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Speaker 2: you are never boring, sir.

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Speaker 4: We always appreciate your ancise, my pleasure.

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Speaker 5: Thanks having great to see you.

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Speaker 2: We are very fortunate to be rejoined this morning with

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Speaker 2: Jeremy ska Hill, who of course is co founder of

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Speaker 2: drop site News alongside our very owned Ryan Graham.

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Speaker 4: Great to see Jeremy.

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Speaker 7: Great to be back.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of developments to go through with you.

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Speaker 2: Let's first of all, put these horrific images up on

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Speaker 2: the screen of I hate even calling it AID distribution,

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Speaker 2: but whatever you want to call this. What you see

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Speaker 2: here first is the dynamic they've set up where Palestinians

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Speaker 2: are just running in Survival of the Fittest Hunger game

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Speaker 2: style to grab.

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Speaker 4: Whatever quote unquote AID is available.

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Speaker 2: But it turns even more horrific as Israelis began firing

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Speaker 2: on this crowd, killing dozens of people, and you can

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Speaker 2: see them fleeing, you can see.

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Speaker 4: Them taking cover here.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy, what do we know about what exactly unfolded here?

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Speaker 2: Because I know the Israelis are completely denying that any

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Speaker 2: of this actually occurred.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's important to remember what Netnyahu

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Speaker 9: and other members of his work cabinets said at the

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Speaker 9: beginning when we started to learn about this so called

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Speaker 9: Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, and that is that it was never

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Speaker 9: meant to be an actual aid distribution program, that this

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Speaker 9: was meant to offer the veneer of giving humanitarian aid

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Speaker 9: to Palestinians to sort of quiet down some of the

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Speaker 9: critics from within the pro Israel camp internationally, nettnah who

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Speaker 9: specifically said that he had been approached by Republican senators

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Speaker 9: saying that they didn't want the appearance of starvation of

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Speaker 9: the Palestinians of Gaza to affect the ability of the

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Speaker 9: United States to continue funding and arming this war of annihilation.

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Speaker 9: And so we just have to put that out there

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Speaker 9: front and center. From the moment that this launched early

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Speaker 9: last week, there have been dozens of Palestinians killed because

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Speaker 9: Israelis have fired on them, either on their way to

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Speaker 9: get AID or after they've retrieved AID. I personally know

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Speaker 9: a Palestinian family four members were killed last week after

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Speaker 9: they had gone to retrieve one of these small boxes

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Speaker 9: that barely has enough food for their family. They were

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Speaker 9: killed by tank ordinance. According to survivors of the hit

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Speaker 9: against them and what we saw unfold over the weekend,

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Speaker 9: many Palestinians are calling it the Whitcof massacre, named after

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Speaker 9: Steve Whitcoff, the Special Envoy, because anger is mounting inside

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Speaker 9: of Gaza toward Trump and his administration, because they feel

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Speaker 9: like they are just completely taking Israel's side and trying

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Speaker 9: to set the Palestinians up with a so called truce

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Speaker 9: or ceasefire deal that would enable Netanyahu to resume the

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Speaker 9: intensity of the full genocide after either seven days or

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Speaker 9: sixty days. So what we witnessed here was the Israelis

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Speaker 9: unleash gunfire and other attacks on this crowd. And as

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Speaker 9: videos it reports start coming out of Gaza depicting this,

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Speaker 9: and we start hearing international doctors that are on the

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Speaker 9: ground there describing the injuries that they're treating Israel then

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Speaker 9: puts out a video that it says actually shows Hamas

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Speaker 9: was firing on people retrieving aid. Well, that video that

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Speaker 9: the Israelis put out has now been geolocated, and it

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Speaker 9: wasn't near Rafa where this witcough massacre as the Palestinians

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Speaker 9: are calling it occurred, but actually had occurred at a

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Speaker 9: different time, And it wasn't Hamas that was actually firing

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Speaker 9: on Palestinians. It was a private gang that there's significant

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Speaker 9: evidence to suggest is being bankrolled or backed by the

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Speaker 9: Israelis to operate as kind of an armed thug force

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Speaker 9: that is selling aid to Palestinians.

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Speaker 7: So, you know, the final thing I'll say on.

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Speaker 9: This crystal is that David Saderfield, who was President Biden's

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Speaker 9: top humanitarian aid official and a very very militantly pro

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Speaker 9: Israel guy, recently said on a national interview on CNN

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Speaker 9: that there's no evidence whatsoever that he saw during his

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Speaker 9: entire time when he was a senior Biden administration official

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Speaker 9: that Hamas is hoarding any significant quantities of aid or

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Speaker 9: is engaged in any of the kinds of activities that

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Speaker 9: the Israelis are accusing them of.

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Speaker 7: So clearly here.

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Speaker 9: What we've seen is a massacre of Palestinians who were

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Speaker 9: lured into this so called aid trap, where the actual

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Speaker 9: point of it ultimately was set out in the open

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Speaker 9: by Netanyahu. Forced Palestinians into an ever small, shrinking killing cage,

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Speaker 9: and then for them to depend on the food inside

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Speaker 9: of that killing cage so that you can either kill

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Speaker 9: more of them or ultimately implement what they keep calling

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Speaker 9: Trump's plan, which is to forcibly deport Palestinians from Gaza.

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Speaker 3: And Jeremy, can I get your reaction? Help us parse

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Speaker 3: be too. This is Ryan's tweet. He actually said the

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Speaker 3: statement from the IDEF about last night's massacre was distributed

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Speaker 3: to journalists, and because Ryan didn't agree to be off

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Speaker 3: the record and this wasn't sent directly to him from

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Speaker 3: the IDF, he actually just posted what was supposed to

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Speaker 3: what the IDEAF wanted to remain quote unquote off the record,

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Speaker 3: and their statement says, approximately one kilometer away from the

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Speaker 3: humanitary aid distribution site and outside the operating hours of

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Speaker 3: the humanitary aid distribution site, IDF troops acted to prevent

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Speaker 3: several suspects from approaching the troops. During the activity, warning

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Speaker 3: shots were fired towards several suspects who advanced toward the troops.

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Speaker 3: There's no connection between this incident and the false claims

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Speaker 3: made against the IDF, So Jeremy, on the one hand,

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing there is an admission of military action

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Speaker 3: from the IDF. Right, that's part of the statement. So

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Speaker 3: can you help us understand how Israel is explaining what happened?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm really glad that Ryan posted this because it

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Speaker 9: sort of opens this window into what happens behind the

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Speaker 9: scenes that most of the public in the world has

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Speaker 9: never allowed access to, and that is that Israel will

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Speaker 9: send out official statements that make a certain claim in

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Speaker 9: a very clear way, and then they'll sort of brief

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Speaker 9: journalists off the record, not on background, off the record,

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Speaker 9: as a way of trying to ensure that this narrative,

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Speaker 9: as false as it may be, penetrates into the coverage.

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Speaker 9: And you see these repeated, these claims repeated all the

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Speaker 9: time by journalists. I mean, the track record now is

658
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Speaker 9: a nineteen month track record where Palestinians videotape witness and

659
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Speaker 9: then tell the world what has happened.

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Speaker 7: They're smeared as being hamas fake or.

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Speaker 9: Fabricated videos or out out of context videos or mistranslated

662
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Speaker 9: documents are then presented to the public, and then it

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Speaker 9: sort of seems like it's a well Hamas says this,

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Speaker 9: and the good guys say that, and you even see

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Speaker 9: Israeli officials saying, who do you want to believe? Hamas

666
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Speaker 9: or an American run aid organization and the Israeli military.

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Speaker 9: So you know, what Ryan did was sort of allow

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Speaker 9: people to see, just for a moment, the way that

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Speaker 9: the propaganda is manufactured and the reality is emily that

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Speaker 9: all throughout this genocide, we've seen this repeated over and

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Speaker 9: over and over about massive tunnels under hospitals, Hamas using

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Speaker 9: protective facilities as military bases. Israel has never been able

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Speaker 9: to produce evidence for the most incendiary claims that it's made,

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Speaker 9: and they're relying on the fact that many media outlets

675
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Speaker 9: will take the testimony of Palestinians and accept that that's

676
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Speaker 9: Hamas's narrative. You know, many people in Palestine are from

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Speaker 9: different political factions. Hamas did not win one hundred percent

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Speaker 9: of the vote the last time that they had a

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Speaker 9: democratic election.

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Speaker 7: You know, many of the people.

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Speaker 9: That Israel is killing in its war aren't even members

682
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Speaker 9: of Hamas not not to mention like military members. Palestine

683
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Speaker 9: is a diverse society and I think it really speaks

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Speaker 9: to the effect of the dehumanization campaign that the Israeli

685
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Speaker 9: military can put out a video that has nothing to

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Speaker 9: do with a massacre that it committed, and so many

687
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Speaker 9: news outlets and just people on social media accept Israel's

688
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Speaker 9: word for it, when nineteen months of context and history

689
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 9: indicate that you should never believe the first draft ever

690
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Speaker 9: of what Israel says unless they provide indisputable evidence, which

691
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Speaker 9: they never do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the hope is just to push off to

693
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Speaker 2: make the conversation and the telling of facts contested, and

694
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Speaker 2: by the time there's any conclusive investigation, everybody's moved on.

695
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really the goal here, is that I

696
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: don't think that they believe that if there was actually

697
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Speaker 2: an investigation here by the New York Times or whoever,

698
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Speaker 2: with the limited ability they had to penetrate into Gaza,

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Speaker 2: that they would come to the conclusion that, oh, yeah,

700
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Speaker 2: Israel was correct. I don't think they believe that. They

701
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Speaker 2: just want to push that reckoning off into the future

702
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Speaker 2: and then it's contested and by the time you know,

703
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Speaker 2: any sort of actual like definitive conclusion is reached by

704
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Speaker 2: the sanctioned official outlets. Everyone's moved on to the next thing.

705
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Speaker 2: I want to go ahead and get you to walk

706
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Speaker 2: us through what's going on with the ceasefire negotiations and

707
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Speaker 2: put the tear sheet up on the screen here, guys

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Speaker 2: of Jeremy's report. Your headline here is how Israel and

709
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Speaker 2: Witkof are trying to strong arm Hamas into a deal

710
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Speaker 2: that does not end the genocide. And you go point

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Speaker 2: by point through what it was that Witkoff or Hamas

712
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Speaker 2: and the administration had agreed to, and then what the

713
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Speaker 2: Israeli are pushing for in this quote unquote deal. And

714
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Speaker 2: seems like there's a number of things here that are

715
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Speaker 2: meant to be poison pills. So just walk us through

716
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Speaker 2: the dynamics and some of the critical differences between these

717
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Speaker 2: two drafts.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, first of all, starting a month or

719
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Speaker 9: so ago, you had direct talk between Hamas and an

720
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Speaker 9: unusual envoy for the Trump administration, a Palestinian American academic

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Speaker 9: named Bashara Baba, who was a lifelong Democrat that broke

722
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Speaker 9: with the Democratic Party even before Kamala Harris became the

723
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Speaker 9: nominee and had denounced Joe Biden as genocide Joe and

724
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Speaker 9: said that he felt that Palestinians would have a better

725
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Speaker 9: chance of ending the war under Donald Trump. And he's

726
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Speaker 9: actually been very critical of Trump publicly, which is unusual

727
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Speaker 9: in the.

728
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Speaker 7: Sort of Trump world.

729
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Speaker 9: But he started an open channel with Hamas to try

730
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Speaker 9: to work on the Eadon Alexander deal. The American citizen

731
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Speaker 9: who had been in the Israeli military was taken on

732
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Speaker 9: October seventh, and they successfully did make a deal to

733
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Speaker 9: release him, and there was supposed to be a lifting

734
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Speaker 9: of israel siege as a result of that, Trump publicly

735
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Speaker 9: calling for a ceasefire. That didn't happen, but the discussions continued,

736
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Speaker 9: and basically what happened is that the Americans worked with

737
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Speaker 9: Hamas and they said, why don't you lay out for

738
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Speaker 9: us what your terms would be for a ceasefire, but

739
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Speaker 9: it has to fit within this category, and Witkoff and

740
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Speaker 9: Baba made clear to Hamas what the kind of bottom

741
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Speaker 9: lines were. Hamas then delivers a thirteen point proposal that

742
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Speaker 9: fit in line with what the American said. This was

743
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Speaker 9: last Sunday on May twenty fifth. Hamas then announced that

744
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Speaker 9: it has made an agreement with the United States for

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Speaker 9: a framework for negotiating a ceasefire. Now, in a mediation

746
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Speaker 9: process or a negotiation process, this is very common. One

747
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Speaker 9: side drafts something, the mediators look at it, they say, Okay,

748
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Speaker 9: we're going to go down back to the other side.

749
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Speaker 9: So they were told, yes, this is acceptable, this fits

750
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Speaker 9: within the American requirements.

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Speaker 7: Now we're going to go to Israel.

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Speaker 9: And my sources within Hamas have said that the Americans said,

753
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Speaker 9: we're going to try to push Israel on these terms.

754
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Speaker 9: So then Hamas waits. Two days later, Donald Trump is

755
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Speaker 9: in the Oval office. He summons Steve Whitcoff to come

756
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Speaker 9: up in front of the press, and Witkof had denounced Hamas,

757
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 9: saying that what they had given as a proposal was unacceptable,

758
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Speaker 9: which from Hamas's perspective, was crazy because this wasn't meant

759
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Speaker 9: to be an ultimatum. It was sort of a start

760
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Speaker 9: point from where what Hamas's position would be. So Witkoff

761
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Speaker 9: then says, oh, we're on the precipice of sending out.

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Speaker 7: A new term sheet.

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Speaker 9: He called it to use like a business term instead

764
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Speaker 9: of a framework for a ceasefire. And what then happens

765
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Speaker 9: two days later, is they they then come up with

766
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Speaker 9: what was a draft that was primarily written by Ron Dermer,

767
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Speaker 9: Netanyahu's top advisor and lead official doing these negotiations, and

768
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Speaker 9: what they basically did was return to all of Israel's ultimatums.

769
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Speaker 9: The bottom line on this is that Hamas has made

770
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Speaker 9: many concessions in this back and forth, but they've identified

771
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Speaker 9: as as minimal red lines that they want a clear

772
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 9: path to an end to the genocide. They've said in

773
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Speaker 9: their own proposal that the moment a ceasefire agreement is signed,

774
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Speaker 9: Hamas will totally relinquish governing authority.

775
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Speaker 7: And all power in Gaza.

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Speaker 9: This is this is extraordinary to see this in the document,

777
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Speaker 9: because it's Hamas on the record saying we will relinquish

778
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Speaker 9: power in favor of an independent Palestinian committee of technocrats.

779
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Speaker 9: When we then obtained all three versions of these proposals

780
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Speaker 9: that we published in full last week, and what's extraordinary

781
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Speaker 9: is that the Israeli proposal.

782
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Speaker 7: Took that out. It took out of.

783
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Speaker 9: The ceasefire framework Hamas agreeing to immediately relinquish governing authority

784
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Speaker 9: of Gaza the moment a ceasefire is signed and you know,

785
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Speaker 9: there's some theories that you know that that have been

786
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 9: floating around for some time that Netnya who wants Hamas

787
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Speaker 9: to remain in power because he can easily demonize them

788
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Speaker 9: as a terrorist organization.

789
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Speaker 2: I mean, has it He effectively said exactly that in.

790
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Speaker 7: The past it's complicated.

791
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Speaker 9: Netnya, who has for certain strategic reasons, said that the

792
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Speaker 9: you know, the only way to thwart a unified Palestinian

793
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 9: state is to keep Hamas in power in Gaza. But

794
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Speaker 9: there are many other layers to the context of what

795
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Speaker 9: happened at the at the time that we could go

796
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Speaker 9: into if you want. But yes, there are there's certainly

797
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Speaker 9: are benefits to having a party in power that you

798
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 9: have effectively dehumanized, demonized that is listed on the State

799
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Speaker 9: Department list of terrorist organizations, the British designation as a

800
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Speaker 9: terrorist organization.

801
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Speaker 7: But I think it's much deeper.

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Speaker 9: They even are saying it's unacceptable for Mahmudabas, the head

803
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 9: of the Palestinian authority, to be in charge in Gaza,

804
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Speaker 9: and he has basically acted as an agent of the occupation.

805
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 9: That's how he's widely seen among Palestinians. So it's not

806
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 9: just about Hamas, it's that Israel doesn't want Palestinians in

807
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 9: control of Palestine at all. And you know, that's really

808
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 9: what I think the game is here. It's not just

809
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 9: about Hamas. It's that we don't want a Palestinian committee.

810
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Speaker 9: They want probably a puppet sort of coalition of certain

811
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 9: Arab nations that have normalized relations with Israel to be

812
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Speaker 9: the ones that come in as an outside force. They

813
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 9: don't want Palestinians in charge of their own political destiny

814
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 9: or to continue forward with a path of a national

815
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Speaker 9: liberation struggle.

816
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Speaker 3: And from the US, the perspective of US interests the

817
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Speaker 3: deal that you just laid out, Jeremy, you know, if

818
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Speaker 3: you're the Trump administration, if you're Eve Whitkough and you're

819
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: continuing to get pushed by Israel as they remove the

820
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Speaker 3: provision that you just mentioned, it seems like US interests

821
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Speaker 3: are actually being thwarted. And that's separate from what all

822
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Speaker 3: the disagreements that the three of us have with the

823
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Speaker 3: Trump administration's position throughout this entire process. But it just

824
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Speaker 3: seems like US interests are sort of obviously being sidelined

825
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Speaker 3: or harmed here in this negotiation process.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there were indications going back to Trump's

827
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Speaker 9: first term and the way he interacted with Mahmudabas from

828
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Speaker 9: the Palestinian authority, things that Trump has said also to

829
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 9: Arab Americans. There are indications that Trump understands that the

830
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 9: Palestinians struggle for liberation or statehood has very clearly not

831
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 9: identified the United States as a party it wants to

832
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Speaker 9: be at war with. It's why Hamas and Palestinian Islamic

833
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 9: Jihad are not conducting any attacks outside of the boundaries

834
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Speaker 9: of historic Palestine. And I think objectively speaking, it would

835
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 9: be in the US interest to have a stable, independent

836
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 9: Palestinian state that has good relations with the United States.

837
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Speaker 9: As you know, Emily, as well as any journalist covering this,

838
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Speaker 9: there are multiple camps in Trump world, and I think

839
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 9: what we're seeing here is that the most militant, hardline

840
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 9: kind of Zionist camp within Trump's political network, his administration,

841
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 9: and his financiers of his campaign, they don't want any

842
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 9: Palestinian state. You know, people like Mariam Adelson and Mike

843
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 9: Hackabee don't believe there's a such thing as Palestinians. But

844
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 9: you know, Ryan Grim and I have also heard from

845
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 9: sources within the administration that are in a different camp,

846
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 9: that are in an anti interventionist camp, that believe that

847
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 9: the United States should not be entangled in foreign wars,

848
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Speaker 9: that are growing increasingly concerned about Witkoff's conduct.

849
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Speaker 7: You know, that the idea that he's.

850
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Speaker 9: Morphing into an Antony Blinken type figure, when at the

851
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 9: beginning he seemed to have some spine, He seemed to

852
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 9: be willing to summon Net Yahoo and make him understand

853
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 9: America has limits with you. Now there is still some

854
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Speaker 9: hope I think, not just among you know, the Palestinians

855
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 9: that are negotiating this, but more broadly that eventually Trump

856
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 9: is going to understand that allowing Net and Yahoo to

857
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 9: be in control of agreements that clearly the United States

858
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 9: can have the final word on is counter to American interest.

859
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 9: It is not actually in the US interests to have

860
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 9: someone setting fires all over the Middle East. I mean,

861
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 9: really fascinating. When Trump was asked about Iran at that

862
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 9: press conference in the Oval Office last week where he

863
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 9: had summoned whitcof to make the Gaza comments, he was

864
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 9: asked by reporters, you know about what did you say

865
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Speaker 9: to Net Yahoo and Trump basically set it out loud.

866
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Speaker 9: I told him to back off, you know, so again,

867
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Speaker 9: you know, people often attack me and they say, oh,

868
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 9: why are you believing what Trump says, or why are

869
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 9: you believing what Witcoff says.

870
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Speaker 7: I'm not believing anything. I'm reporting accurately on it.

871
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Speaker 9: And I'm sorry that you think that reporting factually on

872
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 9: Donald Trump and an issue of massive consequence somehow means

873
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Speaker 9: that I'm like getting tricked by the Trump administration. This

874
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Speaker 9: is called basic journalism, and we're going to continue doing it.

875
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of basicjournalism, I think that's a good transition to

876
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: Jake Tapper and his appearance on Bill Maher's show over

877
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: the weekend, and he asked he got asked about the

878
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: student protests, the pro Palestine student protests that have been

879
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: happening on college campuses since the outbreak of this genocide,

880
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: and he gave an answer that has elicited a lot

881
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: of interest. So let's go ahead and take a listen

882
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: to what he had to say.

883
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 10: It has to do with an academic theology of oppressor

884
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 10: and oppressed. If you only look at the world as

885
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 10: oppressor versus oppressed, you then have to choose in a

886
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 10: conflict this group is the oppressor. This group is the oppressed.

887
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 10: It's also why, for example, there have been conflicts on

888
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 10: other college campuses. We're gay students have protested things that

889
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 10: are going on in Muslim countries having to do with

890
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 10: the LGBT community community in those countries, and the gay

891
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 10: students are made to be the oppressor because a lot

892
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 10: of them are white. And that's also what's going on

893
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 10: when it comes to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The Israelis

894
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 10: are made to be the oppressor of the Palestinians, the oppressed, and.

895
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 5: On and on and on.

896
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 10: And that's part of what's going on at Harvard, that

897
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 10: theology that we have looking at the world.

898
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: What do you make of that explanation for the motivation

899
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: behind these protests.

900
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, part of the reason why we're

901
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 9: seeing such fribrant activism on college campuses, such uncompromising principal positions,

902
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 9: is that young people's brains are not contaminated by the

903
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 9: likes of people like Jake Tapper, who have just been

904
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 9: conveyor belts for propaganda from the very moment that this

905
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 9: genocidal war began. Their brains are not poisoned by this

906
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 9: dogmatic adherence to the conventions of imperial foreign policy, which,

907
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 9: unfortunately Jake Tapper has totally morphed in to a spokesperson

908
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 9: for the greatest excesses of imperialism during the past nineteen months.

909
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 9: And also sometimes the truth is just true. No one

910
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 9: with a brain in their head can look objectively at

911
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 9: what has happened over the past nineteen months and come

912
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 9: to any conclusion but that Israel is the oppressor in

913
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 9: this case. They are burning children alive. They are tricking

914
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 9: people to come to aid, to get aid, and then

915
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 9: drone striking them, hitting them with tanks, firing bullets upon them.

916
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 9: They're bombing hospitals, They're shredding children. This morning, I saw

917
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 9: a girl who looked like she was about six or

918
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 9: seven years old. Her body was completely severed in half.

919
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 9: Every single day we are watching Palestinian children burned alive

920
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 9: with American weapons, and Jake Tapper has the audacity to

921
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 9: use the phrase academic theology. The theology that Jake Tapper

922
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 9: and people like him subscribe to is this deference to

923
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 9: the lie filled agenda of the most powerful and violent

924
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 9: forces on earth.

925
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 7: It's shameful, but their day is over. Their day is over.

926
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 9: Because shows like this are spreading because independent news outlets

927
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 9: refuse to be conveyor belts for the lives of the powerful.

928
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 9: Jake Tapper is grasping at straws because his era is done.

929
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: It's just galling, especially as somebody on the right to

930
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: listen to Jake Tapper make that argument at this point

931
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: after years of just horrible, horrible coverage that I mean,

932
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: the point of the oppressed oppressor dichotomy, Jeremy, and this

933
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: is interesting is the problem is that you have these

934
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: blanket applications of it, and Tapper there he doesn't quite

935
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: understand what he's saying because he brings in this idea

936
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: that the gay students are being condemned as oppressors because

937
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: they're white, and then says that's the same lens that's

938
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: being applied in Israel Palestine, and it's like, dude, you

939
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: don't even understand this idea that you are now condemning

940
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: as the source of the poison, the source of the

941
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: all bad things happening here. The point is, sometimes people

942
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: actually are oppressors, and sometimes people actually are oppressed, not

943
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: all of the time, but sometimes, and yes, some people

944
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: take it too far and apply it universally, but sometimes

945
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: it's actually true, and he seems to just be unable

946
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: to understand that a lot of young people aren't like

947
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: this is a great point that you made, Jeremy. A

948
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: lot of young people aren't even pay attention to see

949
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 3: in it, and they have no idea what he's saying.

950
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think, you know, we're in a moment

951
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 9: where political alignments have shifted, and I think that there's

952
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 9: you know, also the issues around cancel culture and around speech.

953
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 9: I think that anyone that genuinely believes in this doesn't

954
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 9: believe in censoring the speech of people who are on

955
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 9: the far right that they disagree with. I think that

956
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 9: people who genuinely believe in free speech aren't against censoring

957
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 9: those on the far left.

958
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 7: And I think that genuinely.

959
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 9: People who are in support of free speech should be

960
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 9: on the front lines right now of this vicious attack

961
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 9: on speech related to Palestine. You know, one of the

962
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 9: things that I always have held on to I have

963
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 9: many criticisms of the United States. We have what I

964
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 9: believe is the best speech laws on the books of

965
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 9: any country in the world, and they are worth fighting for. Yes,

966
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 9: the idea that the notion of free speech was not

967
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 9: only enshrined in the Constitution, but has been upheld by

968
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 9: conservative and liberal justices throughout history. That's worth protecting with

969
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 9: everything that we have. And so you know, people like

970
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 9: Jake Tapper are actually much more in alignment in many

971
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 9: ways with people on the far right or in the

972
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 9: Trump administration that are trying to demonize or criminalize the

973
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 9: speech of people that are speaking out against Israel's genocidal war.

974
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 9: I think people from all factions should realize that the

975
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 9: time when your principle is shown is not when speech

976
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 9: is being curbed against people you agree with. That it's

977
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 9: being curbed or attacked against people with whom you have

978
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 9: vehement disagreements. That's what actually shows what your principles are.

979
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: The other irony here is that, Okay, not only if

980
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: you're applying the oppressor oppressed lens here like and you

981
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: are pro palestime, you were applying it correctly, but it's

982
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: also ironic to me because people like Tapper and you

983
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: know Israelis and defenders of Israel, they are the most

984
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: abusive of the oppressor oppressed narrative because basically the paradigm

985
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: that they use to try, especially with like you know,

986
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: to keep liberals on side is to say, remember what

987
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: happened to Jews in the Holocaust, which of course was

988
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: absolutely atrocious and nobody wants to see or feel like

989
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: never again should be real. But then they just keep

990
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: this one group of people in the perpetual victim category,

991
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: no matter how circumstances change, no matter what the reality is,

992
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: no matter what that group of people is doing. So,

993
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 2: you know, and the other piece of this, of course,

994
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: is that people like Tapper conflate all Jewish people, yes

995
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: with Israel, and all Jewish people with being you know,

996
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: supportive of Israeli actions, which we also know is completely

997
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: false and untrue, and also place into actually the very

998
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: simplistic like victim narrative that he perpetuates and propagates with

999
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: his propaganda.

1000
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: And Jeremy before we toss that too, I just want

1001
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: to add the oppressor oppressed ecotomy, which you know he's

1002
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: ten years late to saying, oh, maybe this is the

1003
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 3: thing that's happening among young people in college, like it's

1004
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: more of a millennial thing than it is a zoomer thing.

1005
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: But anyway, all this to say, it's about power, the

1006
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: sort of Marxist I don't even want to use his

1007
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: term theology behind it, but it's about power dynamics, and

1008
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 3: that's where he also is completely clueless as to how

1009
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: this is or is not being applied in that case

1010
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:18,959
Speaker 3: as well.

1011
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean to go back also to what, you know,

1012
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 9: what Crystal just said earlier. You know, you look at

1013
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 9: the recent protest organized by Jewish anti war activists to

1014
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 9: occupy Trump Tower. Fox News reported that as an anti

1015
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 9: Semitic protest in Germany, You've had numerous Jews arrested in

1016
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 9: Germany on anti Semitic hate speech charges, including Jewish people

1017
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 9: living in Germany who are Israeli citizens. I mean, this

1018
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 9: has become such a kind of lethal parody of the

1019
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 9: notion of what free speech is. And let us never

1020
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 9: forget that the you know, the United States, all of

1021
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 9: us who grew up in the United States, at every event,

1022
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 9: it's we're reminded of the greatest generation. We're reminded of

1023
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 9: the sacrifices of World War Two. This is the origin

1024
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 9: of what we're witnessing now. When the United States and

1025
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 9: European countries decided to impose a European settler colonial state

1026
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 9: on Palestinian land. That's historical context that matters. And at

1027
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 9: the end of the day, the position that the supporters

1028
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 9: of Israel's genocidal war take is that nothing can justify

1029
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 9: October seventh, but October seventh justifies everything. And this is

1030
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 9: a massive historical lie that necessitates people believing that history

1031
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 9: began on October seventh. It's a huge mistake for us

1032
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 9: not to take into account the seventy seven years of

1033
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 9: history that led up to this. Whatever anyone's political position

1034
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 9: is on this, let's debate based on facts and historical

1035
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 9: accuracy and not just invent our own paradigm where Israel

1036
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 9: equals Judaism. Masses of Jews around the world have been

1037
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 9: at the forefront of opposing this genocide and it's a

1038
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 9: total insult to the Jewish faith for net and Yahoo

1039
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 9: to pretend that his war of annihilation is somehow being

1040
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 9: done in the name of a religion.

1041
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is all so well said Jeremy Skahill. Always

1042
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: great to have you, sir, Thank.

1043
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 7: You, Thank you both for all your work.

1044
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: Ukraine was able to pull off quite a stunning surprise

1045
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: drone attack within Russia, deep inside of Russia, on Russian

1046
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: air bases. We can put some of these images up

1047
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: on the screen that have come out. So a swarm

1048
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: of drones that had been smuggled into the country, and

1049
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: I'll give you some more details of the operation just

1050
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: a moment. We're able to attack a bunch of Russian warplanes.

1051
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: Now the Ukrainians are claiming that over forty of these

1052
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: Russian warplanes were hit in an operation that is being

1053
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 2: called Spiderweb.

1054
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: And this is some of the video that.

1055
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: They released where you can see these fighter jets that

1056
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: are on fire and had been targeted. This happened at

1057
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: not just one base, but another of them, even as

1058
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: far away as Siberia, so they were able to penetrate

1059
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: deep inside of Russian territory and you know, strike a

1060
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: significant blow against Russia's offensive air capabilities, including some of

1061
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: these warplanes, are you know, critical in terms of the

1062
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: nuclear triad.

1063
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 4: Here you have.

1064
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: This gets to some of the details of the operations.

1065
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: You can see these drones flying out of these semi

1066
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: trucks that had been positioned in strategic places.

1067
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: The expectation is that.

1068
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: The drivers of these trucks may not have even known

1069
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: what they were transporting. These drones were sealed and they're

1070
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: tiny things.

1071
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 4: You could see there. They look like I mean, they

1072
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 4: look like children's toys.

1073
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: They were sealed inside of the top of these crates,

1074
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: so you had like the crate and then right there

1075
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: was like a false lid on the crate where the

1076
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: drones were inside of there. And then there was an

1077
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: ability for the Ukrainians to remote control open the lid

1078
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: of these crates and release these drones. Again you can

1079
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: see one of them and how small they are into

1080
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: the air to go and hit their targets. The Ukrainians

1081
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: are saying that this operation was more than eighteen months

1082
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: in the making, and you know, obviously context here is

1083
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: you have some negotiations that are ongoing.

1084
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: You also have Russians.

1085
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 2: The Russians have been able to take a significant amount

1086
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 2: of territory in recent days and putin seems you know,

1087
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: pretty intransigent in terms of bending at all in the

1088
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: context of peace negotiations. So you know, this could be

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Speaker 2: an attempt to demonstrate, hey, we still have a lot

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Speaker 2: of capability and we can still cause you pain even

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Speaker 2: deep within your own territory.

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Speaker 4: Can put these this tear sheet up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: I'll just read a little bit of this and make

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Speaker 2: sure I have all the details right. Ukraine claims massive

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00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: drone strike on Russian bombers in Spiderweb operation audacious attack

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Speaker 2: targeted forty one strategic Russian aircraft. Again, this is according

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Speaker 2: to the Ukrainians. The Russians are downplaying the damage. We

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Speaker 2: don't know exactly what the number is, but clearly they

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Speaker 2: were able to commit some damage here to the Russian fleet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ukraine cleaning two billion dollars. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ukraine security service that it struck more than forty

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Speaker 2: Russian bombers deep inside Russian territory and what would be

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Speaker 2: one of the largest and most audacious attacks on Russian

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Speaker 2: territory in the years long conflict. A source within the

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00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: security service of Ukraine told NBC News the country targeted

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Speaker 2: forty one strategic Russian aircraft. The source also released dramatic

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Speaker 2: video purportedly showing a drone attack at an airbase located

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00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: in Siberia, nearly three thousand miles from Ukraine. The video

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00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: captures bombers under attack, with explosions visible and smoke rising.

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Speaker 4: From the scene.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the videos that we just

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Speaker 2: showed you. And as Emily just said, they are claiming

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Speaker 2: two billion dollars in damage. So obviously a very dramatic

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Speaker 2: and sophisticated attack, also one that has potentially troubling implications

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Speaker 2: when you're talking about a nuclear armed superpower being made

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Speaker 2: to feel very insecure within its own territory. And I

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00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: know that it's sort of obnoxious to talk this way

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Speaker 2: when Russia is bombing and bombarding Ukraine for years at

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Speaker 2: this point, but we also have to acknowledge the reality

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Speaker 2: of the situation and how dangerous and fraught it Ultimately

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Speaker 2: is something that people like us have been warning about

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Speaker 2: for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to your point, people have been making

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Speaker 3: obvious comparisons between the Beeper attack and this one. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the crimea bridge also that was people may remember that

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Speaker 3: was a truck. It was an explosion from a truck

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00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: that was years ago at this point. But the infiltration

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Speaker 3: of civilian infrastructure, this was more than three thousand miles

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Speaker 3: away I think you already mentioned this, but more than

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Speaker 3: three thousand miles away, as far as Siberia from Kiev.

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Speaker 3: So incredible from a military perspective, and military experts have

1132
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Speaker 3: looked at that and said, this not only is just

1133
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Speaker 3: remarkable technologically, but this changes literally changes the game. This

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00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: changes the future of warfare because again, you can remotely

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Speaker 3: detonate things with three thousand plus miles of distance between

1136
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Speaker 3: you and in this case of truck, and completely change

1137
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Speaker 3: a war that's been going on for years and years.

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Speaker 3: And Russia had been crystal noted this bombarding Ukraine hard

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Speaker 3: in the days before this, a lot of Ukrainian service

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Speaker 3: members had died. So there's peace negotiations happening today, actually

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Speaker 3: right now in Istanbul. I want to put this next

1142
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Speaker 3: element on the screen. This is c three conflicting reports

1143
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Speaker 3: about whether the United States knew. So this is Jennifer

1144
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: Jacobs of CBS saying administration sources told her that the

1145
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: White House was not aware that today's large scale drone

1146
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Speaker 3: attack by Ukraine on the Russian military aircraft was coming.

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Speaker 3: That's also quite an interesting aspect of this happening right

1148
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: before major peace negotiating negotiations at the same time. And

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01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: we can put the next element, this is our no

1150
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 3: Bertrand saying essentially, it's the same type of action as

1151
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Speaker 3: Israel's pager attack, turning civilian supply chains into potential weapon

1152
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: delivery systems and making them inherently suspect our not goes

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: on to say it should be deeply troubling to anyone

1154
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Speaker 3: thinking through the sheer irresponsibility of the precedent set and

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Speaker 3: Christally you put this really well that it's it's not

1156
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: an easy point to make when we're talking about Ukraine

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01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 3: defending itself and responding to days of bombardment that killed

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Speaker 3: its service members. But the precedent being set in the

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Speaker 3: midst of war is troubling because it's in that sort

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Speaker 3: of fog of war. It's in the fog of uncertainty

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Speaker 3: of war and desperation and going forward it is really frightening.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is I mean, I think in

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Speaker 2: a lot of ways the genie is out of the

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Speaker 2: bottle with I mean these the drones we showed you

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01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: what they look like, small, inexpensive off the shelf. You know,

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Speaker 2: this isn't just some you know, a superpower that would

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Speaker 2: be able to procure and deploy these killing machines. You

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Speaker 2: have you know, parallels not only to the Pager attack,

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Speaker 2: but I also was thinking back to the tech that

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Speaker 2: was used on October seventh by hamas they also used

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01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: low budget off the shelf drones to to destroy and

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Speaker 2: debilitate this multi million dollar, elaborate high tech security fence

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Speaker 2: that Israel had put into place, complete with automatic machine guns,

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Speaker 2: and so they were able to disable the sensors and

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Speaker 2: the cameras.

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Speaker 4: And that was the start of October seventh.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, like I said, in some ways, I

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Speaker 2: don't I don't think there's any putting this genie back

1179
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: in the bottle. But when you think about you know,

1180
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Speaker 2: nonstate actors, when you think about terror and what they

1181
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: could do with this sort of you know, relatively low tech,

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: relatively inexpensive tech. And then the other piece of this

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01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: that our NO is really pointing to there, and this

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Speaker 2: this part is you know a little bit different than

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Speaker 2: the like, you know, the the terror networks, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: because of the extensive coordination that would be involved. Not

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Speaker 2: to say it's impossible, but the infiltration of civilian supply lines.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this has long been considered completely out of

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Speaker 2: bounds in terms of war fighting, and you know, it

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Speaker 2: appears like that was involved here in this Ukrainian attack

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Speaker 2: with Russia. And so you have not only the you know,

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Speaker 2: troubling context of going after Russia's nuclear triad and Russia

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Speaker 2: being a nuclear power, and you know, at a particularly

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Speaker 2: fraught moment in terms of this this ongoing horrific war.

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Speaker 2: But then you also have what this spells in terms

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Speaker 2: of the future of warfare. And if you are the

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Speaker 2: global superpower as we are, with a one trillion dollar

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Speaker 2: defense budget, as we are about to be, you have

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Speaker 2: to grapple with the fact that you know, nearly any

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Speaker 2: actor around the world could acquire this technology and deploy

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Speaker 2: it for horror, teror killing and death anywhere in the world. Right, So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that should be really I think

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Speaker 2: that should be unsettling for everyone here and abroad and

1204
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 2: in Russia and Ukraine and everywhere else because of what

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Speaker 2: it means in terms of the ability of even small

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Speaker 2: ragtag groups to inflict death and suffering on anyone they want.

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Speaker 3: And again, so, Jennifer Jacobs of CBS also reported that

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Speaker 3: administration sources told her that there was no intelligence sharing

1209
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: that the US and charity intel and it's with Zelenski

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Speaker 3: and Ukraine for Operation Spider's Web. According to Admin sources

1211
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Speaker 3: talking to Jennifer Jacobs, Ukraine gathered its own information.

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Speaker 4: So this is I'm a little skeptical, but yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering so, and I wonder if that's she's citing

1214
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Speaker 3: Trump administration sources. Curious also if there are Ukrainian sources

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Speaker 3: that are making this sound like it was completely companion

1216
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Speaker 3: or on the other hand, is this the US saying

1217
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Speaker 3: that this is Ukraine so that it can continue the

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Speaker 3: negotiations with sort of the I mean neutrality is not

1219
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Speaker 3: the right word, but that sense of diplomacy that's being

1220
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Speaker 3: brought to the negotiations. So no idea about that, but

1221
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Speaker 3: it does raise the question, similarly to what's happened in Israel,

1222
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Speaker 3: about you know, actors who could not be prosecuting these

1223
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 3: wars without massive funding and resources from the United States

1224
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 3: acting independently in ways that if you're Ukraine and you

1225
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Speaker 3: have different goals for how this war should end from

1226
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Speaker 3: the person who's funding the war or the country, I

1227
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: should say, is funding the war to the tune of

1228
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Speaker 3: billions and billions of dollars, and you're not on the

1229
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Speaker 3: same page about it, Maybe you're going to do things

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Speaker 3: and keep them private that can escalate during peace negotiations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that start. I think it's a possibility.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't take it face value. The Administration's claims that

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: they had no idea in advance, because to your point,

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Speaker 2: both the Trump administration and the Ukrainians have an incentive

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Speaker 2: to make it look like we had no involvement, because

1236
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: for the Ukrainians it's a projection of strength, like, look,

1237
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Speaker 2: we don't even need the US.

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Speaker 4: Look what we're able to do on our own.

1239
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Speaker 2: This you know, highly complex, and it certainly was required

1240
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Speaker 2: long term planning, you know, did require some you know,

1241
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: tech in terms of being able to deploy these things

1242
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Speaker 2: from the trucks where they were stored potentially for months

1243
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: and months, we don't exactly know. So the Ukrainians want

1244
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: to be able to say, like, look what we can do,

1245
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: and we don't even need our big brother and our

1246
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: greatest ally, the US. The US wants to keep their

1247
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: hands clean, so they both have an incentive even if

1248
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Speaker 2: there was US involvement, to say that there wasn't. However,

1249
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: it is also possible that, you know, the Ukrainians are

1250
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: acting independently in a sort of I mean actually rogue way,

1251
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: which is also a disturbing possibility in and of itself.

1252
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Speaker 2: I didn't give it as much attention, but there were

1253
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Speaker 2: also two Ukrainian attacks recently within Russia that targeted bridges

1254
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Speaker 2: and caused actually some civilian deaths within Russia as well,

1255
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Speaker 2: and that hasn't been I think the reason it hasn't

1256
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Speaker 2: been reported as much is because the Ukrainians haven't, I believe,

1257
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Speaker 2: claimed responsibility for those attacks.

1258
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Speaker 4: So it's still somewhat disputed.

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Speaker 2: But the understanding, you know, if you read the global

1260
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: press and if you read the Russian press, is they

1261
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: believe that these were both targeted by Ukraine, which does

1262
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Speaker 2: follow and does make sense based on other operations from

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Speaker 2: the Ukrainian security services within the State of Russia. I

1264
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Speaker 2: mentioned this before, but I do think that this is

1265
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Speaker 2: important just to underscore put C five up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This also did not get a lot of attention in

1267
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Speaker 2: the Western press. But Russia has just seized somewhere around

1268
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Speaker 2: two hundred kilometers, made significant advances in Ukrainian territory in

1269
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Speaker 2: recent days and looks like they're setting up for what

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Speaker 2: they're describing as a fresh ground offensive. So you know,

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Speaker 2: there's been a massive Russian bombardment throughout Ukraine and there

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Speaker 2: has been evacuations. The reason they think it looks like

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Speaker 2: it's you know, setting up for a new Russian ground invasion.

1274
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Speaker 2: There have been evacuations of some of these villages near

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Speaker 2: the front lines in preparation for you know, potential escalation

1276
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Speaker 2: in terms of the ground invasion. So again place into

1277
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Speaker 2: the context here, you've got Zelenski going into these peace

1278
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: negotiations does not have a particularly strong hand because of

1279
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: wariness among the American public and among the Republican Party

1280
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Speaker 2: and potentially among in the Trump administration, although it kind

1281
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Speaker 2: of depends on the day of continuing to fund and

1282
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Speaker 2: arm them to the hilt as has been done. Although

1283
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Speaker 2: so far the Trump administration has basically continued the Biden

1284
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Speaker 2: era policy, but you know that is not certain in

1285
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Speaker 2: the way that it was under Joe Biden whatsoever. So

1286
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Speaker 2: you have that, then you have the fact that the

1287
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: Russians just have so much war state, industrial capacity and

1288
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Speaker 2: just so many more bodies to throw at this conflict.

1289
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Speaker 2: You have some will within the Ukrainian people waning just

1290
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Speaker 2: because of the brutal toll that this war has taken on,

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Speaker 2: you know, Ukrainian men in particular, and their difficulty being

1292
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Speaker 2: able to get new recruits and actually like unconscionable tactics

1293
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Speaker 2: that have been used to round up Ukrainian men and

1294
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Speaker 2: send them to the front lines here. So you have

1295
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Speaker 2: Zelenski going to these negotiations with a relatively weak hand,

1296
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Speaker 2: and I think you know it's pretty obvious this is

1297
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Speaker 2: an attempt to try to demonstrate listen, we can still

1298
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Speaker 2: cause you pain even if you think that time is

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Speaker 2: on your side and capacity is on your side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, playbook. Actually there's a direct line from the playbook

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Speaker 3: author this morning, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. It seems holds

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Speaker 3: more cards than Trump gave him credit for their headline

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Speaker 3: and playbook this morning.

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Speaker 4: But that was the point of the rush and Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 3: That's the headline and playbook this morning.

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Speaker 2: I mean that seems a little I mean, the Ukrainian's

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Speaker 2: beIN really far well. And I also saw people pointing

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Speaker 2: out like, okay, so if you're the Japanese in this scenario, yeah,

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Speaker 2: doing the Pearl Harbor, right, But what happens great working

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Speaker 2: that happens next is not really that great for you.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, great work, team, No, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's like, what's happening right now, it's it's actually directly

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Speaker 3: related to the negotiations. Everyone trying to get the cards

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Speaker 3: on the table in order to make it look like

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Speaker 3: they have cards and to not look like they're hiding

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Speaker 3: any cards as the negotiations. Negotiations are ongoing. So it's

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Speaker 3: really awful to see escalation right now. But if you're Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: and I don't mean that about this particular Ukrainian attack

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Speaker 3: a though the president I do find very frightening. But

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Speaker 3: they've been getting bombarded over the last several days, so

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Speaker 3: you understand the timing of it. Absolutely, we will see

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Speaker 3: if the toothpaste can ever be put back in the tube,

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Speaker 3: but I'm deeply skeptical of that. Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very difficult situation at this point to

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Speaker 2: try to imagine how this is going to be resolved.

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Speaker 2: I mean, however, it's possible we just continue in this

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Speaker 2: kind of like endless back and forth with Russia continuing

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Speaker 2: to gains slowly over time, and you end up with

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Speaker 2: basically it failed Ukrainian state. I mean, that's kind of

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Speaker 2: what it looks like it's heading towards right now, unless

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Speaker 2: there is some sort of a dramatic development. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I also have to say a lot of war analysts,

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Speaker 2: military analysts have been quite right wrong about this conflict.

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Speaker 4: At every turn. And while you know, if you look at.

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Speaker 2: The industrial might of Russia versus Ukraine, if you look

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Speaker 2: at just the manpower of Russia versus Ukraine, you come

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Speaker 2: to a pretty clear conclusion about who has the upper hand.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, with this type ability to commit this

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Speaker 2: type of attack, and with the modern warfare dynamics that

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Speaker 2: Emily and I were just talking about, where you can

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Speaker 2: use low budget, off the shelf tech, you know, those

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Speaker 2: things can help to level the playing field, especially when

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Speaker 2: you're talking about a group of people who are fighting

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Speaker 2: for where's it's truly existential, and where you are fighting

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Speaker 2: for your homeland. I mean, the US has learned this

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Speaker 2: lesson many times before. Come in with all the military

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: might in the world, but it's no simple thing to

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Speaker 2: dislodge people's sense of pride and nationalism and commitment to

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Speaker 2: the homeland. So, you know, I think it's I just

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Speaker 2: I think everyone should be very cautious about making any

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Speaker 2: sort of predictions about what the military future of this

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01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 2: conflict ultimately looks like, because there are more variables here

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Speaker 2: than just the okay you add of the Russian industrial might,

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Speaker 2: the manpower X plus y equal z. There are more

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Speaker 2: complex factors going in here, and in some ways that's

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Speaker 2: precisely what this Ukrainian attack really demonstrates.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we'll see what happens over the course of

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Speaker 3: today with negotiations set to continue in assemble another you know,

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: thing to feel less than optimistic about.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately. So all right, let's get to the

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Speaker 2: latest with Elon.

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Speaker 3: On his way out the door, Elon Musk stop by

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Speaker 3: CBS Sunday morning. This is just a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: The interview aired just a couple of days after Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk did a joint press conference I guess if you

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Speaker 3: could call it that in the Oval Office with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: We have clips from that as well. But just yesterday

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Speaker 3: he sat down with CBS News and want to play

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Speaker 3: some clips from that interview, and then we'll get to

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Speaker 3: some clips from the Oval Office as well. This is

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Speaker 3: D one.

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Speaker 10: I noticed that all of your businesses involved a lot

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Speaker 10: of components, a lot of parts.

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Speaker 5: Do the tariffs and the trade wars affect any of this?

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Speaker 5: You know, tariffs affect things a little bit.

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Speaker 11: Wondering what your thought is on the ban on foreign students,

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Speaker 11: the proposal.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you were one of those kids, right, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 12: Mean, I think we want to stick to, you know,

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Speaker 12: the subject of the day, which is like spaceships as

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Speaker 12: opposed to know, presidential policy.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, I was sold anything's good.

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Speaker 12: But no, Well, now you know, it's not like I

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01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 12: agree with everything uh the administration is. So it's like

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Speaker 12: there's I mean, I agree with much of what the

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Speaker 12: administration does, but we have differences of opinion. You know,

1387
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Speaker 12: there's things that I I don't entirely agree with, but

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Speaker 12: it's difficult for me to bring that up in an

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Speaker 12: interview because then it creates a bone of contention. So

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Speaker 12: then I'm a little stuck in a bind where I'm like, well,

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Speaker 12: I don't want to, you know, speak up against the administration,

1392
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Speaker 12: but I don't want to because I also don't want

1393
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Speaker 12: to take responsibility for everything the administration is doing.

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Speaker 3: So really interesting actually set of questions to Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: their crystal and in the defense of the reporter, the

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Speaker 3: CBS reporter, which is not a sentence I thought I

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Speaker 3: would ever say, but in defense of the CPS the reporter.

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Speaker 3: There basically, even if you want to talk about spaceships

1399
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Speaker 3: with Elon Musk, you're still going to be talking about terras,

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 3: of course, and the combination of Elon's even and people

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Speaker 3: talk about Tesla a lot, but even I mean the combination,

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: particularly of a space business, it is so coupled, it

1403
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 3: is so intertwined with the United States government that it's

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Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to do that interview. I mean

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Speaker 3: what Elon Musk ended up saying there, and that's what

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: I'm curious to get your thought on, is essentially that

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Speaker 3: he just shouldn't have sat down for the interview because

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Speaker 3: he's saying, there's no way for me to talk about

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01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 3: any of this without looking like I'm weighing in on

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Speaker 3: the politics of it. And I wonder, Crystal, if this

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 3: is something that he's realizing increasingly is a problem after

1412
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Speaker 3: getting involved with politics six plus months ago, seeing his

1413
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: businesses take a hit, and then realizing, hey, I should

1414
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 3: probably go focus back over here. It's interesting to see

1415
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 3: that happening as he's stepping back from DC completely.

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Speaker 2: And the funny thing about the second part of that,

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01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 2: So the first part of that is just so awkward,

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 2: Like how could you sit for an interview with any

1419
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: one and think you're not going to get questions about

1420
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:58,520
Speaker 2: the Trump administration?

1421
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 3: Is wild? But even if they say they're just going

1422
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: to talk about space, you still have to talk about

1423
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 3: the administration.

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Speaker 2: But d seven up on the screen, Like Trump just

1425
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: yanked this NASA nominee who was a close Elon ally

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01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: and I mean basically was installed by Elon in this position,

1427
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Speaker 2: and now that Elon's on his way out, Trump is

1428
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: using this excusively. Oh I found out he gave to Democrats.

1429
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure like that information was widely available before. He's

1430
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Speaker 2: using it as an excuse to now that Elon's gone, like, okay,

1431
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: you don't get your dude in at NASA. But like,

1432
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: obviously that is deeply political. The SpaceX mission is going

1433
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: does require and already depends in substantial part on government money.

1434
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: So there is no way to disentangle Elon Musk, his company's,

1435
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: his spaceships, and what is going on in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: But you know, even putting that piece aside, the second

1437
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 2: part of that clip where he starts talking about, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't agree with everything they do, and

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01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: so I'm in this place, and you know, I don't

1440
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Speaker 2: want it to look like I'm co signing everything. But

1441
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: then again, I don't want to look like I'm a critic,

1442
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: which is fair by the way he actually brings that

1443
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: up himself, right, That wasn't even at the prodding of

1444
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: the reporter. So even without you know, the reporter then

1445
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: explicitly asking questions about the Trump administration, Elon himself can't

1446
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 2: disentangle who he is, what he's doing, his businesses, and

1447
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: what's going on in terms of politics.

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Speaker 3: It makes me wonder, genuinely how much he thought that

1449
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 3: he was going to steer the ship of the Trump administration.

1450
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 3: Because Trump, if you were listening to if you if

1451
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: you listen to a single Trump rally, if you listened

1452
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 3: ten seconds of any Trump rally, you had realized the

1453
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: man was completely deadly serious about tariffs the entire time.

1454
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 3: It always has been. And so it genuinely makes me

1455
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 3: wonder if Elon Musk thought that, by putting so much

1456
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 3: money into the election and coming into DC and being

1457
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,839
Speaker 3: coronated as the King of Doge, that Trump would maybe

1458
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 3: give some deference to Elon Musk on a lot of

1459
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: these priorities that are just totally out of line with

1460
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: the crypto libertarian and ethos that Musk and I should

1461
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 3: say ideology that Musk wants the Republican Party to look

1462
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Speaker 3: more like. And now that he's sort of on his

1463
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: way out, there's this very obvious conflict in what he's saying.

1464
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Speaker 3: Like it's actually fair that when you start to talk

1465
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Speaker 3: about these things, first of all, you move markets, you

1466
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 3: look like you have inside information, because you do, you

1467
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: look like maybe you're trying to put your thumb on

1468
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Speaker 3: the scale. Like all of those frustrations are perfectly accurate.

1469
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 3: But that's the obvious reason that people don't get too

1470
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 3: involved in politics to the point where they've become a special,

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 3: special government employee, because those problem those those problems, like

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Speaker 3: even from a business perspective, are so obvious.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he put in two hundred and fifty plus

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Speaker 2: million dollars into Trump's campaign and you know, was critical

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Speaker 2: potentially in Trump winning that election, and focused a lot

1476
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Speaker 2: of his efforts in Pennsylvania, which was the critical swing state.

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Speaker 2: And so I think he believed that he could basically

1478
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: do what he wanted, and for a while he could,

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 2: you know, for a while he did come in And

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Speaker 2: this is also you know, someone who sees himself as

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Speaker 2: the only main character and this sort of like great

1482
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 2: civilizational figure, I mean, is truly how he views himself

1483
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: and he views his project of getting to Mars and

1484
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, through via SpaceX and the need to marshal

1485
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 2: vast government resources in order to do that, I think

1486
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Speaker 2: as a central driving desire. I think also something he

1487
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: did accomplished during his time in Washington. A central driving

1488
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: desire is to get all of these various regulatory agencies

1489
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: off of his back and make it so that he's

1490
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: not facing labor violation complaints and Tesla doesn't have to

1491
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Speaker 2: be regulated.

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Speaker 4: And if he goes.

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Speaker 2: Forward with VISA over at X, that the CFPP isn't

1494
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: going to be sniffing around what they're up to, et cetera.

1495
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 2: And that part he is able to ultimately accomplish. But

1496
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Speaker 2: you know, now there is a So it's one of

1497
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 2: those weird things where Elon is not in DC anymore.

1498
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: The work of DOGE does continue. It's not over. Wired

1499
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: is out with the report saying, like, you know, don't

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Speaker 2: believe the hype that Elon is done. He just is

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: saying he needs to take some pressure off of his

1502
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: b businesses, so he wants to be less visible. However,

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01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: I think two things do indicate that he is genuinely

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: on the ounce with this administration. One of them is

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Speaker 2: what I just showed you them pulling his guy at NASA.

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Speaker 2: That's a big blow to Elon because he wants to

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01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: be able to get whatever you know, this government can

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Speaker 2: offer to SpaceX. So I think that is a blow.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is that there are there is

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Speaker 2: just a flood of leaks going to the Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal and the New York Times and all kinds of

1512
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Speaker 2: other outlets about how much everybody in the administration hated

1513
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,560
Speaker 2: him and about how he was doing all sorts of

1514
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 2: drugs all the time while he was here. And I

1515
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: believe during that Oval Office meeting, we can put this

1516
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,879
Speaker 2: image up on the screen. You can see some evidence

1517
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 2: of that cocktails.

1518
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 3: While of drug use towards no end it gets especially while.

1519
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean here he is just like totally tweaking

1520
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 2: out and by the way, with a black eye, which, brother,

1521
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: if you want to cover that up, I can give

1522
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: you some makeup tips.

1523
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 3: Oh look at that though.

1524
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 4: It's not that hard.

1525
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: So he looks like shit, he's like totally disconnected from

1526
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: reality here and you know, proving right the various articles,

1527
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: but he denies that he's using these drugs. Blah, blah

1528
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: blah lawyers, that's what he says. He denies that he's

1529
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: using them, but totally validating the reporting from the New

1530
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: York Times.

1531
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 4: Well yet so about what's going on behind the scenes

1532
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 4: the New York.

1533
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 3: Times, And this is skipping ahead a little bit. So

1534
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 3: this is D four. The New York Times dropped this

1535
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 3: really splashy deep dive with like a Maggie Haberman, Oh,

1536
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it was Megan Twohe bylined Kirsen grind and

1537
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 3: Meghan Tweh On Friday before that Oval Offense press press conference,

1538
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 3: and so speculation ensues throughout the day on Friday. You know,

1539
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 3: DC is having fun with the story that Elon Musk

1540
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: has been abusing drugs like katamine. And this is a

1541
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 3: story sourced from people who were spending time with Elon

1542
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 3: Musk on the campaign trail in particular, which is when

1543
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: they say it was quote more intense than previously known,

1544
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 3: his drug use was more intense than previously known. Just

1545
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: several hours later, after all denials are happening, he's literally

1546
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: standing next to the President in the Oval Office, And

1547
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I would assume that what we just watched

1548
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 3: on screen was drugs. I think anybody would assume that

1549
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 3: that's drugs. If it's not drugs, it's a problem that

1550
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: was completely abnormal. Now, Trump in the press conference also

1551
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 3: said that Elon's not really leaving. This is what the

1552
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 3: Wired story focused on, and that doses his baby. He's

1553
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 3: going to be back and forth. But at the same time,

1554
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 3: it was like an exit. So let's also get part

1555
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 3: of that Oval office conversation where a reporter asked Elon

1556
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: Musk about his black eye. This comes amidst speculation that

1557
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: he had a physical altercation with Scott Bessett, which we

1558
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: will get to in just a moment as well. So

1559
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 3: this is D three Aspectly, mister Musk, what is your eye?

1560
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 5: Okay, what happened to you?

1561
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 12: That your eye?

1562
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 7: I know this was a rust thing.

1563
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 5: Well it wasn't wasn't anyone near friends, so.

1564
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:04,520
Speaker 13: But I didn't know.

1565
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 7: I didn't know.

1566
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 13: So yeah, I was just watched around with the lex

1567
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 13: and I said, go ahead, punch me in the face,

1568
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 13: and he did. It turns out even a five year

1569
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 13: old punching you in the in the face actually does.

1570
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 8: If you knew X right now.

1571
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 14: But I didn't.

1572
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 13: I didn't really feel much at the time, and then

1573
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 13: I guess it brings this up. But I just watched

1574
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 13: around of the act.

1575
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 3: I love Trump bragging about knowing like a toddler. If

1576
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 3: you know X, you know you can do it. But anyway,

1577
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 3: because that's Trump humble bragging that he does, he does

1578
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 3: no X. There are there.

1579
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 4: Their buddies, some of them may still be on that text.

1580
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 3: So let's put now It's God being ahead again D

1581
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 3: six on the screen because this became a really sort

1582
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 3: of ugly meme. But Bannon said that there was a

1583
01:22:54,600 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 3: physical altercation between Scott Bessant and Elon Musk that he

1584
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 3: quote literally got physical with them. Basically that Musk shoved

1585
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 3: Scott Bessont.

1586
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 4: These are the messiest people on them Well, no.

1587
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 3: I honestly think that Elon Musk is the messiest person

1588
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: on the planet. Like, do you think Scott besson is

1589
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: around there shoving people?

1590
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 4: Does it really seem like the type? No, he does

1591
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 4: vice cover but you never know.

1592
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, he got he was the one who

1593
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 3: got shoved.

1594
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 15: According to Steve Bannon, who's now spilling the tea about

1595
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 15: all of this, he said that in comments to The

1596
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 15: Daily Mail, Scott Bessont called him out and said quote,

1597
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 15: you promised us a trillion dollars in cuts and now

1598
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 15: you're at like one hundred billion and nobody can find anything.

1599
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: What are you doing? And that's when Elon got physical.

1600
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 3: Uh it's a sore subject with him. Wasn't an argument,

1601
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 3: it was a physical confrontation. Elon basically shoved him. Now,

1602
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 3: the White House responded to this and said, quote, it's

1603
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 3: no secret President Trump has put together a team of

1604
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 3: people who are incredibly passionate.

1605
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 4: It basically validation, right, They did not deny it.

1606
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I mean that's Carolin.

1607
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 2: And just to be clear, that altercation happened back in Aple,

1608
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 2: so that would not be the cause of the black eye.

1609
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 4: Just so people understand.

1610
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 2: It just speaks to Elon's I guess, willingness to get

1611
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: into physical confrontations as a middle aged man, Like what

1612
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: the hell are you doing?

1613
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 4: In any case?

1614
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: So, I mean it adds credence to the idea that

1615
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: little ex punching him in the eye may not have

1616
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: been what happened here. The other like Blue and on

1617
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: conspiracy going on with this one.

1618
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 3: Is I wasn't going to bring it up, Crystal.

1619
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we had to give the viewers all of

1620
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 2: the information Emily.

1621
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:29,440
Speaker 3: Okay.

1622
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: People are saying Steven Miller and his wife Katie Miller

1623
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: apparently were close with Elon while he was in town,

1624
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: and they socialized outside of the office.

1625
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 3: Katie Miller was working with Elon very closely on do

1626
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: she does communications.

1627
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: Okay, and she is leaving the Trump administration to work

1628
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: with Elon, so leaving you know, Stephen and the Trump

1629
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: administration to go work with Elon. So this also stoked

1630
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: some speculation about just how closely I guess they were

1631
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: working together. And there was some analysis of you know,

1632
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: Stephen Miller being a lefty, in which I that likely

1633
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 2: would have impacted if you know, in the theoretical world

1634
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: where there was some sort of an altercation there over

1635
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: Miller's wife.

1636
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 3: But in any case, I mean, the much more likely

1637
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 3: scenario is that Elon Musk can pay an absolute f

1638
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 3: ton of money to the people that he sees as

1639
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: trusted advisors, and now Katie Miller should be able to

1640
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 3: make a ton of money while her husband works in

1641
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 3: the government, making you know, by billionaire massive corporation standards,

1642
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 3: not that much money. So I think that's probably the

1643
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 3: likeliest case. But interesting, nonetheless to see what the drama

1644
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 3: is behind the scenes on all of this. There there's

1645
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 3: also a Wall Street Journal story this is D five

1646
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 3: we can put on the screen, getting into the relationship

1647
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: between Trump and Musk as well. They described it as

1648
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 3: a quote unquote complicated relationship. And the journal story starts

1649
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 3: with an interesting anecdote that administration official sources in the

1650
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 3: administration gave to the journal, where Trump asks to his

1651
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: advisors about Doge, was it all bullshit? And I think

1652
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 3: the answer to that question, Crystal is pretty much yes.

1653
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: It's one of these Yeah, okay, if you're talking about

1654
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: cutting costs and efficiency, if you're talking about I'm gonna

1655
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 2: cut two trillion, no one trillion from the budget, yes,

1656
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: which is what they're Yes, that was all bullshit, But

1657
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 2: how did you not know that? Like, That's the thing

1658
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 2: that's crazy to me, is like, if you just know

1659
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: the very basics of government accounting math, you knew from

1660
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: the beginning that it was all bullshit when it came

1661
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 2: to the cost cutting, because if you want to cut

1662
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: cost significant costs in the federal government, you are not

1663
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 2: going to do it by finding some like mice study

1664
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 2: you don't like, or even and we'll get to this

1665
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 2: in just a moment by completely decimating USAID to the

1666
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: vast detriment of you know, millions of sick children, sick

1667
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,480
Speaker 2: children and other innocence.

1668
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 4: Around the world.

1669
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 2: It is that is a draw up in the bucket

1670
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: in terms of the vast federal government budget. So if

1671
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: you did not know that, like I just think it's

1672
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: it's astonishing to me that he would not have realized

1673
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 2: that the project with regard to DOGE was never really

1674
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 2: about cost cutting. Elon had other ideological goals, some of

1675
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: which he did accomplish during his time.

1676
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to talk more tomorrow about.

1677
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: You know, the scooping up of all this data and

1678
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 2: giving it to Palenteer, you know, being one of Elon's

1679
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, allies within the tech right and possibly like

1680
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 2: we don't know what sort of federal government data was

1681
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: scooped up to use to further elons AI ambitions, you know,

1682
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 2: because we have very little actual transparency into what DOGE

1683
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: was even up to and continues to be up to

1684
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 2: within all of these organizations. As I said before, in

1685
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 2: terms of the goal of getting the regulators off his back,

1686
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 2: certainly mission accomplished there. So there was a lot that

1687
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: was done, and a lot that was inly destructive and

1688
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: is going to continue to have huge consequences. But I

1689
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 2: just I think it's so insane that anyone took seriously

1690
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: the idea that this was going to be a real

1691
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: cost cutting and efficiency effort from the beginning, and the

1692
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: way that they approached it.

1693
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think the two trillion dollar number to take

1694
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: that seriously is I mean, without touching Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid.

1695
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 3: That's the Pentagon or the Pentagon, right, I mean, the

1696
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 3: Pentagon's the big one there, because you could plausibly if

1697
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: you found a lot of waste and other agencies and

1698
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 3: you you basically scuttle USAA D. I mean USAA D

1699
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 3: is not gone. It's been absorbed in the State Department.

1700
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 3: A lot of those costs have been eliminated. I mean,

1701
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 3: it's completely trunk to a shell of its former self,

1702
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 3: no question about that. I suspect Marco Rubio will still

1703
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 3: use it as like a long arm of soft power,

1704
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 3: but just in a very different way. So there's all

1705
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 3: kinds of like, there's all kinds of waste that you

1706
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: can find in the federal government budget, of course, but

1707
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 3: the idea that that would without between the Pentagon or

1708
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 3: without touching Medicaid, social Security and not just looking for

1709
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: quote unute waste, broad and abuse. That that would amount

1710
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 3: to two trillion dollars is an enormous stretch, especially when

1711
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 3: the process by which they are going about these cuts

1712
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 3: Crystal was so wildly inefficient, because Musk's idea was you

1713
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 3: cut a bunch and then you learn by the cuts

1714
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 3: what you need to bring back, which is I guess,

1715
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 3: a much more defensible philosophy in a corporate a corporate

1716
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,799
Speaker 3: environment when it's not the government that taxpayers pay into

1717
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 3: and rely on the services for who then get that

1718
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 3: stuff cut after paying for it right and have all

1719
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 3: the disruptions only for the government to be like, whoops,

1720
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 3: are bad, we are bringing it back. Sarved about the

1721
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 3: last month of your life, mister veteran who was affected

1722
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 3: by this, So, I mean it was just the process

1723
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: was a disaster. And now the line is that dose

1724
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 3: is a lifestyle. I forget whether it was Trump or

1725
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 3: Elon Musk has said that that doses are going anywhere.

1726
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 3: It's a lifestyle, and to some extent though true, because

1727
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 3: there are muscul lieutenants, people who are brought on board

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01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 3: who are now. They are like actually employees in managerial

1729
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 3: positions throughout the federal government. I would be all for

1730
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 3: things like the Rains Act, where you have to which

1731
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 3: should be in this bill, where you have to kick

1732
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 3: over a certain number if you're spending a certain number

1733
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 3: of money, it has to be kicked over to Congress

1734
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,879
Speaker 3: and has to be signed off on by Congress. Because

1735
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 3: you know, that way, you don't have agencies just green

1736
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 3: lighting massive contracts and stuff like that. They haven't shown

1737
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 3: any willingness to you, as you said, Bannon has said

1738
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 3: this many times, many times go after these like Pentagon

1739
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 3: contracts to seriously take on quote unquote waste frunt abuse

1740
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 3: at the Pentagon. They never really went in that direction.

1741
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 3: And DOJ Noel lifestyle. Okay, let's see.

1742
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there is one agency that has never

1743
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 2: been able to pass an audit. And you know, and

1744
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 2: as Bannon always that you got across the river. I mean,

1745
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very hesitant to ascribe actual like belief

1746
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: him and whatever. He has his own agenda, but he's

1747
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: one hundred percent correct about that. If you actually want

1748
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 2: to go after ways Forradden abuse. But that again is

1749
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: why I never took seriously the idea that this would

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01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 2: be any sort of real cost cutting mission. In fact,

1751
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 2: it's going to lead to more expense, specifically because of

1752
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 2: the gutting, you know, the cuts to the irs, which

1753
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 2: means you can collect less tax revenue, specifically less tax

1754
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: revenue from rich people, so it's going to cost more.

1755
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 2: You have degraded the efficiency and quality of the services.

1756
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 2: If you're someone who's trying to resolve some issue with

1757
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: your Social Security check, it is now going to take

1758
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 2: vastly longer and be you know, effectually mission impossible with

1759
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 2: the closed field offices and the longer wait times on

1760
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 2: the telephones, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But to your point, Emily Like, it's all well and

1762
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 4: good like.

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01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: It's one thing if your Twitter dms don't work for

1764
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 2: a little while, exactly. It's another thing when air traffic

1765
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 2: controllers are being like pressure to reside at a time

1766
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 2: when we have a massive crisis in terms of air

1767
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 2: travel safety. It's another thing when you are a veteran

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01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 2: who's enrolled in a you know, cancer research trial that

1769
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 2: has a chance of curing what you have, and that

1770
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: funding is stripped. You are not going to eliminate the

1771
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Speaker 2: deficit by gutting scientific research for a generation as an example,

1772
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Speaker 2: that's just not where the bulk of federal spending is.

1773
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 2: Even I looked up the numbers. If you look at

1774
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 2: how much we spend on the entire federal government workforce, right,

1775
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 2: they pushed out some two hundred and fifty thousand federal

1776
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: gun wars, Like it was a massive number of people

1777
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: that they cut. If you cut everybody, it is a

1778
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 2: very small proportion of the over federal government budget. So

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Speaker 2: it's just to me to take at face value that

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Speaker 2: Trump didn't know what's going on here.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

1782
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,480
Speaker 2: That raises some other questions for me about how engaged

1783
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 2: he is in his own administration beyond like his you know,

1784
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Liberation Day chart making exercises.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was hard for anyone to keep

1786
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Speaker 3: up with Doze at first because the cuts were headspinning

1787
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 3: and they were coming fast and furious, and that was

1788
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 3: all part of the flood the zone plan. So there

1789
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 3: were a lot of cuts by the like relative standards

1790
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Speaker 3: of how quickly they came, they just didn't end up

1791
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Speaker 3: adding up to anything near what was being projected. I mean,

1792
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Speaker 3: there are some agencies that right now are utterly unrecognizable.

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01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 3: The cfpb usaid those are significant cuts. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1794
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 3: but in the scope of the federal budget, it's amazing

1795
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 3: how big cuts like that still don't make a dent

1796
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 3: in things. And rains is in the reconciliation bill. We'll

1797
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 3: see if it survives. But I mean, you had to

1798
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 3: cross the river if you wanted to. You certainly had

1799
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 3: across the river, and you would have had to do

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Speaker 3: a lot more than just quote unquote waste, fraud and abuse.

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01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 2: And they didn't find any fraud. What fraud did they find?

1802
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 3: I'm sure they did like it, but it's also hard

1803
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 3: to know because the DOGE website is full of random

1804
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 3: shit that you have no idea whether it's real. Sometimes

1805
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 3: people have tried to track it down and you don't know.

1806
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 3: But even sure they've found some bits and pieces of fraud.

1807
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 4: I know they found things they didn't like.

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01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 3: They definitely found that.

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01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: Yes, that's different from fraud, right, I mean, fraud is

1810
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 2: like there is fraud in the federal garment, although to

1811
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 2: be honest with you, after the DOGE exercise, I think

1812
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Speaker 2: it must be less than what I was assuming you're like, yes,

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Speaker 2: they didn't find any of it. You know, you know,

1814
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Speaker 2: we always joke like Ryan Grimm found more ashful fraud

1815
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Speaker 2: in the federal government budget by identifying this fraudulent four

1816
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 2: or million dollars that was set to go hunt the

1817
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 2: door to Tesla than Doge did. So tell me what's

1818
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Speaker 2: going on there, Tell me what's really going on there? Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: you know, the other piece of the Wall Street Journal

1820
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Speaker 2: article about some of the internal dynamics that was interesting

1821
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 2: to me is apparently he really got crosswise with Susie Wiles,

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Speaker 2: among others. I mean, for Alon is notoriously like he's

1823
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: a raging asshole. People don't like to work with he.

1824
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Speaker 2: I think he would say that himself, like he does

1825
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 2: not deal well with people. He just doesn't. And that

1826
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: is the history of his dynamics. Within his companies. He

1827
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 2: usually has someone else who was working alongside with him,

1828
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: who can, you know, deal with the human beings involved.

1829
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 2: So not only did he have this physical altercation with

1830
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Scott Bessett, I think he and Rubio were significantly at odds.

1831
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 2: Some of the tension with Sean Duffy played out in public,

1832
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: but they also got upset because they were learning about,

1833
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 2: you know, some of the chainsaw that was being taken

1834
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 2: to various parts of the federal government. Susie Wilsen Co.

1835
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 2: Were learning about that the same way that we were,

1836
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: where he just went in and did his thing, and

1837
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 2: so there was there were increasing efforts to try to

1838
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 2: rein him, in coordinate with him, et cetera. But you know,

1839
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 2: I think that was part of the underlying dynamic as

1840
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: well as like just people did not like him. And

1841
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: so when they were after the Wisconsin Supreme Court debacle,

1842
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: when there was a real display of political weakness and

1843
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 2: Trump apparently had talked to I can't remember what was

1844
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 2: that guy's named Schimel or something like that, Brad Schimel

1845
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 2: is at the name of the candidate.

1846
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 3: Oh, Brad Shimmel.

1847
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 4: Shimmel.

1848
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anyway, Trump was not impressed with that guy.

1849
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 4: Thought he was going to lose.

1850
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: Thought that Elon displayed very poor political instincts by going

1851
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 2: all in on that, And I do think that that

1852
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 2: was a real blow to him with regard to his

1853
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 2: standing Visa v. Trump and others. I'm sure with the

1854
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,759
Speaker 2: administration this part, I'm just speculating about use that loss

1855
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,839
Speaker 2: as a way to make the case to Trump of like, Okay,

1856
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 2: this guy's bad for your agenda. He's making you look bad,

1857
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 2: he's causing you all kinds of problems. Let's try to

1858
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 2: get him out there.

1859
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 3: Because it all comes down to the central cross benefit analysis.

1860
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 3: Does the cost of being associated with Elon Musk outweigh

1861
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 3: the benefit of having particularly his political donations. And so

1862
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: when Elon Musk noticed the timing here, this was all happening,

1863
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 3: as Elon Musk said, by the way, he's going to

1864
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 3: stop his political donations, then suddenly he's out at doge

1865
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 3: Well Wisconsin showed that the cost of association with Elon

1866
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 3: Musk actually in that case outweighed the benefits of him

1867
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 3: pouring million of dollars into a state Supreme court election.

1868
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,879
Speaker 3: Even his millions of dollars couldn't buy that election because

1869
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 3: in the micro example that we're talking about, the microcosmic

1870
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 3: example we're talking about, it really motivated normally dem voters

1871
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 3: to come out and vote for the liberal Supreme Court

1872
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 3: justice in that case. So I think what that showed

1873
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 3: is that he's less valuable than it looked like when

1874
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 3: he came into Pennsylvania in the waiting days of a

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01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 3: very very very very very close presidential election, at least

1876
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 3: in the sense of, you know, when you are within

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01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 3: a margin in Pennsylvania and all the electoral College votes

1878
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 3: are on the line, he comes in, puts tons of

1879
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 3: money into swing states, but particularly Pennsylvania. Sort of looks

1880
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 3: like he buys Trump those states because is he the

1881
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 3: sort of deciding factors that money? What tips it over

1882
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 3: the edge for Donald Trump? Republicans say, Wow, we have

1883
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 3: the deepest pockets we could ever conceive of having, and

1884
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 3: he's just giving freely and doing it kind of for

1885
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 3: the hell of it, and we don't have to really

1886
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 3: do anything to beg him. He's just like having fun.

1887
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 3: So what does that mean for us? What does that

1888
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 3: mean for the party in the midterms? What does it

1889
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 3: mean for the party for the next ten years? With

1890
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 3: a massive cash infusion potentially on the table? And as

1891
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 3: soon as that dream kind of fades for Republicans, he

1892
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 3: becomes to them less trouble, less of a benefit than

1893
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 3: the trouble that causes. And I think that's probably part

1894
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 3: of what just everyone's exasperated with him. He's exasperated with

1895
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 3: them because they have less patience for him. They have

1896
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 3: less patience for his eccentricities and his process, which is

1897
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 3: very anathema in Washington. So it just it fizzled. We'll

1898
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 3: see how much he's still here. I have a hard

1899
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 3: time believing, Crystal that he doesn't want to still be

1900
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 3: pulling some of the puppet strings, no doubt about it,

1901
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 3: and that he probably will still be pulling some.

1902
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: Of the puppet strings some of them, Yeah, but you know,

1903
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 2: not without as much power as he previously wielded, which

1904
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 2: you know, at times rivaled Trump, at least especially with

1905
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 2: Trump pre tariff Trump, where he seemed like he was

1906
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 2: happy to just like play golf and outsource immigration and

1907
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 2: foreign policy. Apparently Stephen Miller outsourced whatever is going on with.

1908
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:14,799
Speaker 4: Doge to Elon.

1909
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: And you know, now, I think the part of the

1910
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 2: Trump administration that Trump does take control over the terriffs,

1911
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 2: which is kind of a you know, and maybe he's

1912
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 2: involved somewhat with the top line ideological underpinnings of the

1913
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: Big Beautiful Bill, but you know, other pieces he's been

1914
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 2: happy to really just kind of hand into various corners

1915
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 2: of his administration.

1916
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you, Emily, an.

1917
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:42,560
Speaker 2: Important part of the MAGA Trump two point zero coalition

1918
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 2: is the tech right and Elon being the figurehead right

1919
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 2: and so you had all the all in guys excited

1920
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 2: about Trump and Emma and I actually covered last week

1921
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 2: all of them, including David saxelthough he was like, Wow,

1922
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 2: this is the best we could get. But all of

1923
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 2: the all in guys very critical of the big, beautiful will.

1924
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 2: And so, what do you think the exit of Elon

1925
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 2: and the fraying of that relationship means for the broader

1926
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 2: tech right alignment with the Trump administration.

1927
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:18,600
Speaker 3: I think the illusion is fading that there was and

1928
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 3: you know people who are in like DC Republican circles.

1929
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody said it aloud, but I think

1930
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 3: everybody looked at those guys as almost inspiringly naive that

1931
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 3: they had these huge visions and the will, like the

1932
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 3: political will to like Elon Musk was out there with

1933
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 3: a chainsaw, right like this is a dream that the

1934
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 3: let's say, anarcho libertarian world, which not all of them are,

1935
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 3: I mean some of them are more robber barons than

1936
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 3: anarco libertarians, but that they have had for a long time.

1937
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 3: It's this idea that there would be the political will

1938
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 3: to go out there and dance on stage with a

1939
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Speaker 3: chainsaw like a good true ideological libertarian. And so what

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Speaker 3: that meant was, Wow, this is basically Elon Musk coming

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Speaker 3: in with all of these Silicon Valley nerds and waving

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Speaker 3: magic wands and just dissolving parts of the government. And

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Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing right now is that and

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Speaker 3: I say this with some judgment, but not with much judgment,

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Speaker 3: but the fading of that naivete that there was this

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Speaker 3: idea that if you came into Washington with the will

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Speaker 3: to take the arrows for cutting pepfar, to take the

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Speaker 3: arrows for cutting USAA, d CFPB in ways that no

1949
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Speaker 3: Republican ever would have had the courage to do pre Trump,

1950
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Speaker 3: than man like this can finally be done. And that

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Speaker 3: was again I think a lot of people in DC

1952
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Speaker 3: identified that as naive. Maybe they didn't want to say

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Speaker 3: it because it felt hopeful. But I think that it's

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Speaker 3: finally that idea, that dream is dead. I think that's

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Speaker 3: what's really happened here.

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Speaker 2: That is a good transition to talking about this Rogan appearance.

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Speaker 2: Bono talking to Rogan about USAID in particular, and I

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Speaker 2: told you I cut a longer sid of this because

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Speaker 2: there was a portion of this one exchange that the

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Speaker 2: right was sharing of like oh Rogan really showed him

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Speaker 2: whose boss and usaad the money laundering operation. And there

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Speaker 2: was another part that that Democratic Wins account which used

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Speaker 2: to be Kamala Wins account, there was another part that

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Speaker 2: that account shared. So I thought, let's let's give you

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Speaker 2: the whole context and then we can talk about this

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Speaker 2: on the other side.

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Speaker 4: But interesting exchange on the less Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 16: You went to Boston University and you taught it about

1969
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Speaker 16: Boston Universe to martial arts there. So just recent report,

1970
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Speaker 16: it's not proven, but there's surveillance enough suggests three hundred

1971
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Speaker 16: thousand people have already died from just this cut off,

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Speaker 16: this hard cut of USAID. So this food rotting in

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Speaker 16: boats and warehouses, there is this this this will will

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Speaker 16: fuck you off, this will not you will not be happy,

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Speaker 16: no American will. But there is and he has fifty

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Speaker 16: thousand tons of food that are stored in Djibouti, South Africa,

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Speaker 16: Dubai and wait for it, Houston, Texas. And that is

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Speaker 16: a rotting rather than going to Gaza, rather than going

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Speaker 16: to Sudan, because the people who know the codes are

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Speaker 16: for the warehouse are fired, They're.

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Speaker 3: Gone, and so this. I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I just it's what do you think?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 7: What is?

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Speaker 5: What is that?

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Speaker 16: That's that's not America.

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 8: Well, they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, right right.

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Speaker 8: This is the problem. The problem is, for sure, there

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Speaker 8: have been a lot of organizations that do tremendous good

1991
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Speaker 8: all throughout the world. Also, for sure it was a

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Speaker 8: money laundering operation. For sure, there was no oversight. For sure,

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Speaker 8: billions of dollars are missing. In fact, trillions that are

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Speaker 8: unaccounted for, that were sent off into various they don't

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Speaker 8: even know where because there's no receipts. The way Elon

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Speaker 8: must describe that, he said, if any of this was

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Speaker 8: done by a public company, the company would be delisted

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Speaker 8: and the executives would be in prison. But in the

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Speaker 8: United States this is standard. When Biden left office, when

2000
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Speaker 8: it was clear that Trump won, in the seventy three days,

2001
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Speaker 8: they spent ninety three billion dollars from the Department of

2002
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Speaker 8: Energy on just radical loans, just throwing money into places

2003
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Speaker 8: and there's no oversight, no receipts. Like the whole thing is,

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of fraud, a lot of money laundering.

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Speaker 8: But also we help the world and when you're talking

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Speaker 8: about making wells for people in the Congo to get

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Speaker 8: fresh water, when you're talking about food and medicine to

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Speaker 8: places that don't have access, like no way that should

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Speaker 8: have been cut out and that should have been clear

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Speaker 8: before they make these radical cuts, Like there's got to

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Speaker 8: be a way to keep aid and not have fraud,

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Speaker 8: and you can't have you can't say we're going to

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Speaker 8: kill everything so that there's no fraud, but then you're

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Speaker 8: killing all the good and you're doing it without letting

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Speaker 8: anybody know that's going to happen, So no one's It's

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01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 8: not like they had three years to prepare. Let's build

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Speaker 8: a new infrastructure, let's make sure they're everything set up.

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Speaker 8: They wanted change, and they want to change quickly and

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Speaker 8: do the nature of American politics, they have about two

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Speaker 8: years before the midterms.

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Speaker 4: Right, what did you make of that exchange? Emily?

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Speaker 3: Super interesting and Christy you were pointing out as we

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Speaker 3: were watching it, the different parts that were clipped where

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Speaker 3: they cut it left and right. Yeah, where they had

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Speaker 3: cut that clip up. And I think what Rogan just

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Speaker 3: made at the end was a really compelling point about

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Speaker 3: not creating any time period for off ramps. Because if

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Speaker 3: you're somebody like me who looks at USAID and says,

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Speaker 3: this is actually, in some sense creating this exploitive dependency

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Speaker 3: system based on where US soft power interests are, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's a critics.

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Speaker 4: I share that critique.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if you think that, you're like, okay,

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Speaker 3: so it's really unfair that we are holding these people

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Speaker 3: basically hostage with our aid to our foreign policy interests,

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Speaker 3: and then you just pull the rug out from under

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Speaker 3: them after making commitments for years and years and years.

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Speaker 3: Then yes, people are going to die and people are

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Speaker 3: going to suffer. There's another way, which would involve saying

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Speaker 3: you have five years to get off of the stependency.

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Speaker 3: We're changing fundamentally the way, and then the Gates Foundation

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Speaker 3: steps in and the Rockefeller Foundation steps in and they

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Speaker 3: fill the gaps, which is just not what happened. And

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Speaker 3: I think it was really interesting to see Rogan reacting,

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Speaker 3: particularly to that, and as an ally of Elon Musk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of the things Rogan says, like

2047
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Speaker 2: about the quote unquote radical loans, the you know, oh,

2048
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Speaker 2: there's so much fraud again, what was the fraud? Because

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Speaker 2: I share, you know, the like the left has a

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Speaker 2: critique of USAID, and it's the one that Emily explained

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Speaker 2: of like holding people hostage to US imperial foreign policy

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Speaker 2: interests and this administration they don't believe in soft power.

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Speaker 2: I mean, by and large, they just believe in hard power.

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Speaker 2: That's why USAID is being gutted. That's why the State

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Speaker 2: Department is being gutted. They have this throwback imperial if

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Speaker 2: we see something and we want it, we're going to

2057
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Speaker 2: take it. That is their ideology. That's why Trump loves

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Speaker 2: the McKinley era. That's why they you know, Greenland, Panama, Gaza, Canada,

2059
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Speaker 2: like they have this mentality of an old school we

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Speaker 2: are just going to use our might to take it,

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Speaker 2: and we're not going to wrap it in like you know,

2062
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Speaker 2: we'll give you some HIV medication and then you're going

2063
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Speaker 2: to help us out with our rare earth mineral supply.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to wrap it in the Gazi language.

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Speaker 2: They just want to come in with the guns and

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Speaker 2: force our will upon the world. So that's the you know,

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Speaker 2: that's the ideology that is surrounding this. But again it's

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Speaker 2: they didn't actually identify any fraud. I'm not saying there

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Speaker 2: wasn't any I'm saying there was none identified what Rogan's

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Speaker 2: referring to there in terms of the end of the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration. It is true that at the end of

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, when there was a recognition of oh shit,

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Speaker 2: Kamala lost Trump, the Trump administration is coming in. We

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Speaker 2: have all of these funds appropriated through you know, whether

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01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 2: it's the IRA or the Chips Act or whatever that

2076
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 2: is already been authorized by Congress. We need to speed

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Speaker 2: up the process to get these funds out the door.

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Speaker 2: And that's what Rogan calls quote unquote radical loans.

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Speaker 4: That's the end. I'd love that great term. I do

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Speaker 4: love that term.

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Speaker 2: So that's what he's referring to ultimately there. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the other thing that drives me crazy, Emily, is like

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Speaker 2: you just acknowledge people people have already died because of

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Speaker 2: the consequences of these actions of just pulling all the

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Speaker 2: funding from under many of these programs. And we have,

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Speaker 2: you know, estimates from Bono's referencing the study. You can

2087
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Speaker 2: put some of these estimates up on the screen from

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Speaker 2: Boston University School of Public Health. This is called impact Counter.

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Speaker 2: This Twitter account was just sharing some of the top

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Speaker 2: lines here. So within one year, these are all projected out.

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Speaker 2: And again you can quibble with the you can quibble

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Speaker 2: with what the numbers are, but there is we know already,

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Speaker 2: factually speaking, that people have died as a result of

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Speaker 2: these cuts, and we know that more people will.

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Speaker 4: Die as a result of these cuts.

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Speaker 2: The estimates here are one point sixty five million die

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Speaker 2: without HIV prevention and treatment, five hundred thousand die without

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Speaker 2: vaccine funding, five hundred thousand die without food aid. That's

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Speaker 2: what Bono's talking about, is just rotting at the ports

2100
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Speaker 2: right now. Three hundred and ten thousand die without tuberculosis prevention.

2101
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 2: He's saying, it's zerodes so far, three hundred thousand is

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Speaker 2: a low estimate, is the opining of this Twitter account.

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Speaker 2: And three hundred thousand is you know, the estimate that

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01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 2: they give right now the number of people who have

2105
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Speaker 2: died already. And again there is a elon and others

2106
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Speaker 2: claim no one has died, that's impossible, etc. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you can. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you can live in reality and think that there's just

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Speaker 2: no consequence for cutting this funding for critical life saving

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Speaker 2: treatments around the world without anything to replace it. And

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Speaker 2: you know, on the I'm sure there will be organizations

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01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 2: over time that come in and try to fill the gap.

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt about that. But so that has

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Speaker 2: not happened yet. And so there is a you know,

2115
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Speaker 2: a critical hole that the US used to fill that

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Speaker 2: has just been the you know, rug has been pulled out,

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Speaker 2: and children, people who need this treatment and care that

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Speaker 2: they were relying on the US for they have died

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Speaker 2: and they will continue to die. And that is just

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Speaker 2: the reality of Elon's impact here. And so I think

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Speaker 2: that's the other piece, Emily. Is part of why I

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Speaker 2: wanted to highlight this clip is because there is a

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Speaker 2: sense that Doge utterly and completely failed, and it did,

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01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,439
Speaker 2: but we need to pair that with the understanding that

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Speaker 2: Doge also so did tremendous, tremendous damage that is literally

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Speaker 2: costing people's lives and will continue to have generational fallout

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Speaker 2: for years and years to come.

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Speaker 3: So, and this is something that people on the right

2129
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Speaker 3: feel as well, is that Elon Musk may have done

2130
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 3: lasting damage to the idea of like like you said,

2131
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Speaker 3: by the Doge website having so many holes that like

2132
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Speaker 3: when you're trying to look up the instances of fraud

2133
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 3: that are being cited. You go to the website and

2134
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 3: you can't track it down, and or it appears to

2135
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 3: be a total stretch, or it appears to be you

2136
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Speaker 3: know something. There are actually a lot of examples of

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Speaker 3: journalists trying to chase down the fraud that does had

2138
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Speaker 3: it caught or eliminated whatever it was, and going down

2139
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 3: rabbit trails, going down things that led them to repetition

2140
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 3: something like that, and does that end up doing lasting

2141
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Speaker 3: damage to the like really predicate of a lot of

2142
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 3: conservative ideology about quote unquote limited government. And I'm someone

2143
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Speaker 3: who's in this camp. People say limited not small government.

2144
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 3: Small government's libertarian. Limited government is conservative limited relative to

2145
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 3: what it's become over the last one hundred years. Does

2146
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 3: that idea ever recover, you know, in this generation from Doge?

2147
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 3: When you have such a I don't know if yeah,

2148
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 3: I mean this is the right way to say it.

2149
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Speaker 3: When you have such an unserious approach where you end up,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you pledge huge numbers, you come up with

2151
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Speaker 3: very little. It's all done with a billionaire dancing with

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Speaker 3: a chainsaw. Does it ever recover on the other hand,

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Speaker 3: would anyone have ever done it? You sort of have

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Speaker 3: a catch twenty two other than you know, eccentric elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not. But does it ever recover from DOGE? I

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Speaker 3: don't know. It's a question actually that might even go

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Speaker 3: to Democrats Crystal having this conversation about abundance and about Doge.

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Speaker 3: Where when Doese first started you saw a lot of

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Speaker 3: Democrats frustrate with the fact that it was Republicans who

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Speaker 3: were capitalizing on this idea of efficiency in government, saying, well,

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Speaker 3: we can certainly stand for efficiency in government because from

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Speaker 3: our perspective, the more efficient the government looks, the more

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Speaker 3: that we can actually make the case for funding, the

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Speaker 3: more that we can make the case that some of

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Speaker 3: these agencies are good if they're efficient. So, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe Democrats are able to co opt that idea.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe we can put this in in post guys.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Marshal Costlof is going to co

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Speaker 2: host with me tomorrow as Abundant Abundance guy, Marshal Abundance.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to avoid saying grow In any case,

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Speaker 2: I'm really looking for you that has some really smart

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Speaker 2: insights into the interaction with the left, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But I want to talk to him more about this

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Speaker 4: poll tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But Sienna just did a poll that found, for the

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Speaker 2: first time in decades, basically unprecedented in the new liberal era,

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Speaker 2: a majority of Americans say government should do more to

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Speaker 2: solve problems versus the number who say governments tried to

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Speaker 2: do two many things. And I think that is directly

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Speaker 2: attributable to Dosh.

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Speaker 4: Directly attributory.

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Speaker 2: It's like you don't know what you got till it's gone.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a dynamic where it's like, oh, I liked

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Speaker 2: it when I had.

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Speaker 4: A Social Security field office.

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Speaker 2: In my town and I didn't have to wait on,

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Speaker 2: you know, a phone for four hours in order to

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Speaker 2: get someone to answer my basic question. That was a

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Speaker 2: good thing the government was doing, and I wish it

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Speaker 2: would do it again.

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Speaker 3: It's a socialist op now that you say, like Elon Musk,

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Speaker 3: you couldn't come up with a better socialist op Like

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Speaker 3: sans was doing covert operations and planting a libertarian in

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Speaker 3: the federal government to make the entire project look absurd.

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Speaker 2: To prove the importance of what the government actually does.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, you know what, I actually liked

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Speaker 2: it when I could get weather data and there was

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Speaker 2: a FEMA disaster relief response that maybe it was an ideal,

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Speaker 2: but it was better than not having one. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's an extraordinary surge in the number of people who say, no, Actually,

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Speaker 2: I believe in government, and I want government to do more,

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Speaker 2: and I want it to do well. Now, the challenge

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Speaker 2: and on the other side, is that there's not a

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Speaker 2: lot of trust for either party to be able to

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Speaker 2: accomplish those things effectively. And so obviously that's a big,

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Speaker 2: you know, reality and political challenge. But I do think

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Speaker 2: your point about the fears that Elon has somehow managed

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Speaker 2: to destroy even the concept of like we need to

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Speaker 2: cut the fat and we need to make government more

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Speaker 2: quote unquote efficient, is it's pretty remarkable because that has

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Speaker 2: always been a winning political proposition for my entire lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so interesting. We'll see where it goes going forward.

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Speaker 3: But low hanging fruit here for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, should we talk about your favorite senator?

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Jonny Ernce? Why not? Why shouldn't we

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Speaker 3: be talking about Junior enestr came to under the So

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Speaker 3: Johnny Ernce got hit with a tough town hall the

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Speaker 3: other day, as many Republicans have, and in fact, at

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Speaker 3: one point Republicans just stopped doing town halls. So amazing

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Speaker 3: that johny Urns actually was out there talking to the people.

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Speaker 3: But before we get into the reaction to this, roll

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Speaker 3: this clip of johni Arenstor being heckled by people in

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Speaker 3: the audience. This is people in Iowa reacting to johni

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Speaker 3: ns talking about Medicaid cuts. So go ahead and take

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Speaker 3: a look at this clip.

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Speaker 17: People are not well.

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Speaker 14: We all are going to die. Hello, everyone, I would

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Speaker 14: like to take this opportunity to sincerely apologize for a

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Speaker 14: statement that I made yesterday at my town hall. See,

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Speaker 14: I was in the process of answering a question that

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Speaker 14: had been asked by an audience member when a woman

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Speaker 14: who was extremely distraught screamed out from the back corner

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Speaker 14: of the auditorium people are going to die. And I

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Speaker 14: made an incorrect assumption that everyone in the auditorium understood that, yes,

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Speaker 14: we are all going to perish from this earth. So

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Speaker 14: I apologize, and I'm really really glad that I did

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Speaker 14: not have to bring up the subject of the tooth

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Speaker 14: fairy as well.

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Speaker 3: Hello fellow flesh and Blood model. It's just if you're

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Speaker 3: listening to this, what you miss is it was just

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Speaker 3: her face like chin up and she actually people pointed

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Speaker 3: out is walking in front of a cemetery, like to

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Speaker 3: the point about Washington not being West wing but being veep.

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Speaker 3: This is the best illustration that I've seen in months. Actually,

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Speaker 3: there's always a good illustration every single week, but this

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Speaker 3: is one of the best ones I've ever seen. Crystal.

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Speaker 3: She's apologizing for saying quote, We're all going to die

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Speaker 3: at a town hall. It was in Butler County, Iowa

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Speaker 3: on Friday. She makes an apology video, christ Well, why

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Speaker 3: are you making the apology video? Roll with it? Secondly,

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Speaker 3: she does it in front of a cemetery. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: then she pivoted to evangelism. By the way, towards the

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Speaker 3: end of the video, you didn't see this, but I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure she Yeah. She ended up saying quote, for

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Speaker 3: those that would like to see eternal and our everlasting life,

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Speaker 3: I encourage you to embrace my Laurence. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 3: as I've been talking Christians, this is the worst evangelism

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes, we are all going to die.

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Speaker 4: It kind of matters to me when you.

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Speaker 2: Know, like I would rather I think most people, including

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Speaker 2: the millions who were set to lose health insurance coverage

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Speaker 2: because of the Medicaid cuts and the big beautiful bill,

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Speaker 2: they would like to forestall that possibility, you know, into

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Speaker 2: the future. But there, you know, the meme of Republicans

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Speaker 2: is the idea that like, oh, their healthcare plan is

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Speaker 2: like is don't get sick or or don't be poor,

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Speaker 2: like that's the and so she just goes all in

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Speaker 2: with basically like yeah, I mean I guess if you

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Speaker 2: get sick, you're going to die by that whatever, We're

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Speaker 2: all going to die anyway, and just find your salvation

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Speaker 2: in God.

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Speaker 4: It's fine.

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Speaker 3: I was venting about those always, like, first of all,

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Speaker 3: just from like a comms perspective. God forbid, I put

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Speaker 3: that hat on, like the idea of doing communications for

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Speaker 3: a senator. But if you're even like thinking about this,

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Speaker 3: you just all you have to do is say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is the Trump era. All she has to do

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Speaker 3: is say, yeah, I stood up to the liberal heckler

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Speaker 3: in the audience who is defending waste and fraud in Medicaid. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm defending Medicaid. From the people who want to undermine

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Speaker 3: Medicaid with waste and fraud and abuse. But why would

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Speaker 3: you ever go out there and apologize for making like

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Speaker 3: a glib, offhanded comment. And then because she was clearly

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Speaker 3: frustrated in the clip, she was like just reaching for

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Speaker 3: straws and Jonny Arns is not the most talented politician

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Speaker 3: in the world. You would be shocked to learn, and

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01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 3: ends up grasping out We're all going to die. Film's

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Speaker 3: an apology video in front of a cemetery, then jokes

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Speaker 3: about the tooth fairy and pivots some evangelism. I mean

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Speaker 3: you just the every item on the Bengo card is

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Speaker 3: checked off.

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Speaker 4: Well, and the funny thing too. I'm interested in your

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Speaker 4: on this is.

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Speaker 2: I am normally very impressed with Republican message discipline. Usually

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Speaker 2: there's like a Okay, here's what we're saying about the

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Speaker 2: Medicaid cuts.

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Speaker 4: We're saying these aren't cuts.

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Speaker 2: This is we're cutting out the waste, right, And some

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Speaker 2: Republicans are on that talking point. Other Republicans are on

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Speaker 2: the like, actually, you know, they're not cuts at all.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what you're talking about. There are

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Speaker 2: no cuts. People are going to keep their insurance. Right,

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Speaker 2: some people are just like they're in the you know,

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Speaker 2: denying of reality. And then some people, apparently Jony Urns

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Speaker 2: is in the well, we're all going to die anyway,

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Speaker 2: So whatever if eight million people are slated to lose

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Speaker 2: their health insurance coverage, which is the estimate under this bill.

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Speaker 2: So in some ways, I think it displays the the

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Speaker 2: victory of Obamacare's expansion of Medicaid, that this has become

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Speaker 2: a difficult subject for Republicans because it never was in

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Speaker 2: the past. It also is indicative of the realignment that,

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Speaker 2: as Bannon points out, you now have a lot of

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Speaker 2: magas on Medicaid, you know, and so this is going

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Speaker 2: to have an impact on your voting coalition will be

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Speaker 2: among many of the eight million who lose their health insurance,

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Speaker 2: like Trump one narrowly but one voters making under fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and that is the first time for a

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Speaker 2: Republican I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Since when in the modern era.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, I think the schizophrenic nature of

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Speaker 2: the Medicaid messaging within the Republican coalition is indicative of

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Speaker 2: the fact, like they realize this is a big political

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Speaker 2: problem for them, but they also realize they have this

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Speaker 2: ideological commitment to cutting medicaid, and also the bill blows

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Speaker 2: up the deficit, and we've got to do something, and

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Speaker 2: we've got to appeel the fiscal hawks and the Libertarians

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Speaker 2: and the Caucus and whatever. So they are kind of

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Speaker 2: a mess on this issue because it's not really it

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Speaker 2: is dramatically if you pull cut some medicaid dramatically politically unpopular, yep.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, they just don't really know what

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Speaker 2: to do with that when they're out trying to talk

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Speaker 2: to regular people.

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Speaker 3: So let's actually he wasn't talking to regular people, but

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Speaker 3: the vote went on who was doing Sunday Show messaging

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Speaker 3: to Crystal's point about GOP messaging discipline, And actually a

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Speaker 3: lot of people on the right were passing around this

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Speaker 3: clip is kind of a masterclass. But people on the

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Speaker 3: left this reminds me of the Vino clip we played

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Speaker 3: in the elon of Block and Crystal. People on the

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Speaker 3: left are passing this around as examples of doge Republican cruelty. Basically,

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Speaker 3: so let's go ahead and role Office of Management Budget

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Speaker 3: Director Russ Vote, who is now basically seen as the

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Speaker 3: policy mind that's driving DOGE. The administration is saying there's

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Speaker 3: really no one person now that Elon's kind of checked out,

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Speaker 3: there's no one person that's like the leader of DOGE.

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Speaker 3: But people generally see Russ as being the intellectual policy

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Speaker 3: mind of DOGE, and he's at OMB so he's kind

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Speaker 3: of managing the purse strings. He's very supportive of the

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Speaker 3: unitary executive theory. He's an extremely consequential person in this administration.

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Speaker 3: So watch, let's watch Russ vote yesterday.

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Speaker 11: It's more about the NI eight and the NIH has

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Speaker 11: been a bureaucracy that we believe has been weaponized against

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Speaker 11: the American people. We saw that in COVID, the extent

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Speaker 11: to which it doesn't even know or is willing to

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Speaker 11: grapple with, the extent to which it funded the Wuhan

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Speaker 11: Institute through the Eco Health Alliance, and the fact that

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Speaker 11: they pay far more than even Bill Gates does for

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Speaker 11: indirect costs at all of the bureaucracy. So this is

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Speaker 11: something that is vitally important to be able to get

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Speaker 11: a handle on. And we're still going to give twenty

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Speaker 11: eight billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: To the NIH.

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Speaker 3: So that's him. With Dana Bash on CNN State of

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Speaker 3: the Union Sunday Show Crystal interesting in the context of

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Speaker 3: the point you made about generally being impressed with Republican

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Speaker 3: messaging discipline, what did you make of Russ as the

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Speaker 3: people like Joni Ernst are struggling with town halls. At

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Speaker 3: one point there was the director from Trump on down like,

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Speaker 3: just don't do town halls. The bills on the table

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Speaker 3: right now, dose is kind of over. So how do

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Speaker 3: you think the way Russ is talking is playing with

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Speaker 3: the public.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that the way Russ is talking is

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Speaker 2: the reason why there was some general public receptivity to

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Speaker 2: the project of DOGE, because you can point at things

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Speaker 2: at USAD that people are like, I don't know that

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Speaker 2: we really need to do that. You can obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: NIH is a good example where you can point and

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Speaker 2: the abundance guys have critiques of like, oh, we should

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Speaker 2: be doing organizing our federal research and our science funding

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Speaker 2: this way. But now that you're on cleanup crew and

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Speaker 2: people have seen, oh, you're not just targeting like the

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Speaker 2: Wuhan Lab. You are gutting scientific research across the board

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Speaker 2: in a way that you know is going to have

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Speaker 2: generational impacts. No, those are not things that the public supported.

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Speaker 2: So if there was you know, if this was before

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Speaker 2: the fact and justification of Okay, why we're going to

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Speaker 2: come in and here's how we're going to do it,

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Speaker 2: and this is what it's going to look like. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe you could have gotten some public support for that.

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Speaker 2: But now, like the bloom is off of the rows,

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Speaker 2: people have already seen the chainsaw. They're not going to

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Speaker 2: unsee the chainsaw and think that you're doing some limited, targeted,

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Speaker 2: effective cutting of just the pieces of the federal government

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Speaker 2: that they may have some sort of issue with.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough, And I wonder, you know, when

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Speaker 3: the history of this first administration has written ten plus

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Speaker 3: years from now, not like the next couple of years,

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Speaker 3: but ten plus years from now, how people see the

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Speaker 3: cause of like actually trinking like the conservative movements almost

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Speaker 3: central animating principle of cutting government because cutting government and

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Speaker 3: this is again the conservative argument, you know, that always

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Speaker 3: brings more freedom. So like any cut to the government

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Speaker 3: is more that abstract principle of freedom, like it's you're

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Speaker 3: feeding human freedom every time you cut the government. I

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Speaker 3: just wonder how this period changes that going forward, and

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Speaker 3: if the Republican Party looks more like the Bannon Republican

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Speaker 3: Party or the Eline Republican Party ten years from now,

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Speaker 3: based on all this, because right now, what the trying

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Speaker 3: to do, people like rest Boat are trying to marry

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Speaker 3: the two right, and that is what feels like is slipping.

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Speaker 2: And it isn't just the Republicans who've been bought into

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Speaker 2: the I mean, Bill Clinton is the one who said

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Speaker 2: the era of big government is over, right, right, this

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Speaker 2: is really starts with Carter, you know, dabbles in it.

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Speaker 2: Reagan is obviously the you know, real ideological like full

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Speaker 2: realization of that ideology in government. Bill Clinton consolidates it

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Speaker 2: as a bipartisan project. And you know, and this is

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Speaker 2: the central question of the political moment we're living in

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Speaker 2: right now, is like that consensus is dead.

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Speaker 4: What comes next is contested.

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Speaker 2: And that's where the abundance conversation fits in of what, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: what does the post neoliberal left offering look like? That's

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Speaker 2: where the I mean, personally, I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: abundance is neoliberal. But that's their conception is like Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know you've got this, You've got the oligarchy framing,

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Speaker 2: you've got the you know, the breaking up the anti

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Speaker 2: trust and corporate power framing, and then there's this question

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Speaker 2: of what is the role of government. The priorities and

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Speaker 2: values that are embodied in the Trump Big Beautiful budget

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Speaker 2: are basically a gutting of the social safety net, a

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Speaker 2: funding of the oligarchs and the wealthy, and a massive

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Speaker 2: expansion of the police state of the military industrial complex

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Speaker 2: with a huge Pentagon budget, and then a massive expansion

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Speaker 2: of ICE and the private prison detention centers that go

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Speaker 2: along with that. So that is the as embodied by

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Speaker 2: the Trump movement that is really their conception of government

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Speaker 2: power is that it does little in terms of providing

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Speaker 2: social services and does a lot in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 2: the sort of like surveillance and projecting power and fighting

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Speaker 2: wars and those sorts of things. I think the Democrats

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Speaker 2: and the leftmore broadly are really grappling right now with

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Speaker 2: what their conception of the federal government is ultimately going

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Speaker 2: to be. But I do think your right to focus

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Speaker 2: in on that is one of the key questions that

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Speaker 2: is being grappled with right now sort of across the

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Speaker 2: board politically in terms of arriving at whatever the new

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Speaker 2: political era and consensus is going to be.

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Speaker 3: I actually think it's been a great few months for

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Speaker 3: democratic socialism in all seriousness. The pitch that Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 3: and Alexandro Kazuo Kortezer making.

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Speaker 2: You see the receptivity was Zorn Mumdani, who had notice

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Speaker 2: challenging Cuomo in the way that he's been able to

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Speaker 2: whether he's able to pull it off or not for

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Speaker 2: New York City there.

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Speaker 3: M hm. I think he's a great point. Chris. I

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Speaker 3: was so proud of us because we were we almost

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Speaker 3: wrapped the show on a timely basis, and that we didn't.

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Speaker 2: We had to wax poetic about the about neoliberalism and

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Speaker 2: the waiting era and let girls be girls.

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Speaker 4: They're a big government. There you go.

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Speaker 2: I'm in with Marshall. Hell yeah, that's going to be

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Speaker 2: super fun. I'm looking forward to that. Such a smart guy.

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Speaker 2: Always enjoy his insights, so that'll be good. He's in

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Speaker 2: person too, right, he's in person. Amazing, it's awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you and Ryan on Wednesday, Me and Ryan on Thursday,

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Speaker 4: That's the plan for the week.

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Speaker 17: Shot, keep sh keep

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Speaker 3: Shot.