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Speaker 1: The Action Network podcast.

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Speaker 2: Are You going to place a bet?

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Speaker 1: Doll?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Action Network Podcast, presented by FanDuel. This

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Speaker 1: is our experts guide to betting series UFC. Addition, I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Maria Marino, joined by two UFC betting experts

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Speaker 1: here at Action Network, predictive analyst and former fighter Billy Ward,

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Speaker 1: as well as our Projection's Kingpin, Sean Zaillo. Sean and

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Speaker 1: Billy can also be heard every Friday breaking down fight

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Speaker 1: cards on our UFC betting preview episodes right here on

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Speaker 1: the Action Network Podcast. Billy, I'm going to start with

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Speaker 1: you here. I want to find out the expertise of

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Speaker 1: both of you and what makes you qualified to bet UFC.

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Speaker 1: But because you are a former MMA fighter, can you

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your background and how

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Speaker 1: you got into that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, fairly typical athletic background. As a kid,

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Speaker 3: I've led basketball, football, Baseball. Basketball was my big thing,

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Speaker 3: but I realized that wasn't going to continue on into

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Speaker 3: adulthood or college. Didn't for a lot of reasons, and

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Speaker 3: my senior year of high school, just found a local

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Speaker 3: MMA gym and started training there. Took a few amateur fights.

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Speaker 3: It kind of started out as something I just wanted

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Speaker 3: to try, and then it went fairly well, and you

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Speaker 3: just kind of keep doing it. Next thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: you're signing a professional fight in two, three, four, and.

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Speaker 2: Here you are.

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Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I feel like that's not the

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Speaker 1: experience of most people, but we'll take it. And then

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Speaker 1: how did you sort of cross over into the betting space?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean anytime you're out at the bar with

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Speaker 3: your buddies watching fights, or you know, sitting in the

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Speaker 3: audience of some local fights, we're always betting on who

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Speaker 3: we think is going to win, even if it's just

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Speaker 3: a dollar with your friend, based on the walkouts.

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Speaker 2: And then what actually got me into it.

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Speaker 3: Especially as dfs became so big, is once they offered

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Speaker 3: UFC dfs, I thought that would be somewhere I had

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Speaker 3: a big edge.

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Speaker 2: I already always played.

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Speaker 3: Fantasy football and fantasy sports, but obviously having the fighter background,

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Speaker 3: I thought that would be more my lane. And then

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Speaker 3: here in Michigan, we got legalized sports betting in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one, and that's when it.

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Speaker 2: Really took off for me.

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Speaker 3: I've been basically betting almost every UFC card ever since.

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Speaker 1: Sean we know you're also an expert in MLB had

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Speaker 1: you on that Experts Guide to Betting podcasts. But tell

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Speaker 1: us about the UFC side of things for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I became a fan of MMA and the UFC

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Speaker 4: after the Ultimate Fighter one. I pretty much watched that

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Speaker 4: whole season. They're now at season thirty, which seems crazy

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Speaker 4: to say, but you know, Forrest griff and Stephan Bonner.

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Speaker 4: That original fight still one of my favorite fights ever

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Speaker 4: and something that will stick in my memory forever. But

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Speaker 4: sort of fell away from the sport for a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Came back to it, you know, as I got older,

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Speaker 4: pandemic hit and the UFC was the first sport back

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Speaker 4: going other than horse racing, but in terms of wanting

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Speaker 4: other than just having casually bet on it previously. I

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Speaker 4: something that seems completely unquantifiable because with all of the

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Speaker 4: predictive data that we have for being able to quantify

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Speaker 4: a sport like baseball or even you know, sports like

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Speaker 4: football or basketball. The idea that you could quantify something

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Speaker 4: Seemed like it might be a challenge for me, and I,

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Speaker 4: you know, I developed a process to try to take

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Speaker 4: publicly available predictive data, so data that fans of the

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Speaker 4: and going against those public assumptions. And you know, the

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Speaker 4: more that I've repeated this process, it actually is fairly

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Speaker 4: the public is heavily on an underdog or heavily on

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Speaker 4: returned a forty five percent win rate and a three

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Speaker 4: three point three point three percent ROI in the action

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Speaker 4: app across more than a thousand bets, so a decent

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Speaker 4: sample of bets, a ton of which have been a

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Speaker 4: So it's been fun to, you know, introduce math into

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Speaker 3: And before we jump on, just to piggyback what Sean

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Speaker 3: and before talking to him and doing this podcast, I

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Speaker 3: And I just can't say how impressed I am by quantifying,

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Speaker 3: You don't need to know how the sport works. So

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Speaker 3: it's just such an extreme difference between the approach to

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Speaker 2: Combination here of how we've been able to blend those skills.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I talk a lot on the MLB

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Speaker 4: podcast about blending scouting and data analysis, and again, like

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Speaker 4: didn't think it was something that would be possible for MMA,

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Speaker 3: And before doing this, the closest I had come to

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Speaker 3: experiencing anything like that. There's a book called fight Nomics,

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Speaker 3: and it's really just trend right. So it's the age

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Speaker 3: That book did a lot of that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 3: but it's not projecting out as we go forward.

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Speaker 2: So Sean definitely took it to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you can steal the name and write fight Nomics

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm already in awe of both of you.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about any regular listener out there, casual

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Speaker 3: Billy, Yeah, you know, I've I've read a lot of

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Speaker 3: stuff and especially in the DFS and betting space that

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Speaker 3: And I would say the UFC is the total opposite.

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Speaker 3: This is probably the one sport that just by regularly

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Speaker 3: it's really just familiarizing yourself with all the ways that

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Speaker 3: more and more props.

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Speaker 2: Of all different types.

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Speaker 3: So if you're already a hardcore fan and you might

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Speaker 3: say to your buddy, like, man, someone's getting knocked out

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it is, you can bet on that.

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Speaker 3: I think when I talk to my fight fan friends

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Speaker 4: I think Billy hit the nail on the head with

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Speaker 4: the fact that the more you watch fights, the better

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Speaker 4: before fights but also after the fights as to what

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Speaker 3: When you're watching the NFL, your team is playing next

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Speaker 3: watching baseball, it's tomorrow. These guys might be four or five,

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Speaker 3: And I need to be better about that because Sean,

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Speaker 3: you've reminded me of stuff of some guy that hasn't

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Speaker 3: fought in fourteen months. Oh yeah, I did have that impression.

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Speaker 3: So doing that and then organizing it in the way

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Speaker 3: which is who knows, right, We don't know when the next.

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Speaker 2: One's going to be.

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Speaker 3: I think it's much more crucial than a sport where

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Speaker 2: Every week or two at most. You don't have to

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Speaker 3: By the way, like you should be doing all of

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Speaker 3: the things we said before you make your first serious bet.

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Speaker 3: If you want a bout a dollar or whatever just

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Speaker 3: for your own tracking purposes, that's one thing. But you

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Speaker 3: get yourself familiar and get comfortable with it and with

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Speaker 3: some of the pillars, like we're going to talk about right.

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Speaker 1: It's like before you take an exam, you have to

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Speaker 1: have a way to review. So to be able to

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Speaker 1: go back and look at those notes when there's been

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Speaker 1: has got to be helpful. What other rules or just

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Speaker 1: basic pillars would you recommend? We know, Billy, I.

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Speaker 3: Think the biggest thing, at least for me, is that

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's not just age does a good

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Speaker 4: So I think that can make it difficult. Obviously, styles

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Speaker 4: So sometimes you're just going to miss because the fighter

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and mostly Sean touched on this a little bit

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Speaker 1: Well, as far as the things that are more concrete,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, as I mentioned before, there are

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't necessarily mean that I don't think those

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's more advisable than just walking down

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Speaker 2: So it happens. It happens less and less.

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Speaker 3: But that is it for me as someone I just

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Speaker 1: Understanding where you can find an edge as far as

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because I feel like we're just scratching the

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Speaker 3: Our friends at FanDuel have done an awesome job with

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Speaker 4: fighters win condition should be weighted towards a particular prop

440
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Speaker 4: than it is, and I think you can find more

441
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Speaker 4: value betting on specific winning method props or specific round

442
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Speaker 4: props than you can just taking a money lineer. I

443
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Speaker 4: think there might be instances where you know it's we'll

444
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Speaker 4: talk about live betting, but where it's not worth taking

445
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 4: a fight or pre fight, where one fighter is clearly

446
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 4: worth betting pre fight because they're likely to win in

447
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 4: round one and you should just be taking their round

448
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 4: one prop as opposed to their money line, So one

449
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Speaker 4: ideal betting opportunity. I just want to back up one

450
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 4: question too that Billy and I both like, and we've

451
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Speaker 4: talked about quite a bit lately, is fights that are

452
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Speaker 4: heavily favored to go to a decision, or at least

453
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Speaker 4: moderately favored to go to a decision at least i'd

454
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Speaker 4: say minus two hundred or better to go to a decision.

455
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Speaker 4: When there is a very big underdog in a fight

456
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Speaker 4: that is likely to go to a decision, that is

457
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Speaker 4: more often than not an underdog that I want to back,

458
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Speaker 4: just because judging an mma is so bizarre, and when

459
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Speaker 4: fights are expected to go fifteen minutes, it means that

460
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Speaker 4: it's probably close enough that weird things might happen, or

461
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Speaker 4: that the fighter is likely enough to be competitive and

462
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Speaker 4: should not be that big of an underdog, So I

463
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Speaker 4: think that often is an ideal live betting opportunity. In

464
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Speaker 4: addition to fighters who have the grappling upside of plus money.

465
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 4: Those are two angles that I'm always going to look for,

466
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Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, prop betting, I think you can

467
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Speaker 4: just find more value sometimes than the money line, But

468
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Speaker 4: there's also a few pre fight angles that typically speaking,

469
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Speaker 4: I am looking to take underdogs on the money line.

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Speaker 3: And to add on to Sean with the props, he

471
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Speaker 3: does a really good job of getting longer odds or

472
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Speaker 3: more specific with props. But you can play it the

473
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Speaker 3: other way too. If you think this fight's going to

474
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Speaker 3: be close, take the roundover. It might not be as

475
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Speaker 3: good of odds as someone to win in round three,

476
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Speaker 3: but you can kind of calibrate that to your risk

477
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Speaker 3: tolerance to an extent where if you want to take

478
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Speaker 3: big swings for a little bit of money, go ahead

479
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Speaker 3: and pick specific rounds. Or if you want, you know,

480
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Speaker 3: to have a better chance of winning but less payout,

481
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Speaker 3: there's ways to do that too, So it gives you

482
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Speaker 3: some optionality there with how confident you are in your

483
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Speaker 3: opinion and or how much you want to risk it.

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Speaker 1: Billy, how do you approach live betting UFC?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a big topic for both

486
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Speaker 3: of us, and I have to say I wasn't a

487
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Speaker 3: huge live better until Sean started convincing me that it's

488
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Speaker 3: probably the way to go in a lot of places.

489
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Speaker 3: But the biggest thing I think people need to realize

490
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Speaker 3: is it's the only sport where you don't know the

491
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Speaker 3: score right. So after every round, the judges have written

492
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Speaker 3: down who they thought won, but outside of rare instances

493
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Speaker 3: in certain states.

494
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Speaker 2: That's not public.

495
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Speaker 3: So the biggest thing if you want to start getting

496
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Speaker 3: into the live betting game is just figure out the

497
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Speaker 3: judging criteria. Figure it out a little bit better than

498
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Speaker 3: the sports booksty algorithms. And we see it all the time.

499
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Speaker 3: A fight that's one to one headed into the third

500
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Speaker 3: or two to two headed into the fifth by what

501
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Speaker 3: we think as a fan and one fighter is a

502
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Speaker 3: heavy underdog, so unless he was totally out of gas,

503
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Speaker 3: are about.

504
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Speaker 2: To get beat up at the end of the round.

505
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Speaker 3: That's a pretty obvious opportunity. And obviously there's some cardio stuff.

506
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Speaker 3: Sean's going to talk about that. That's his angle, but

507
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Speaker 3: just getting as good at judging fights you can, and

508
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Speaker 3: not judging who you think one, but judging who you

509
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Speaker 3: think the judge is one, because those can be very

510
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: different and it's tricky, and that's why there's a Twitter

511
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: controversy every time there's a split decision, no matter.

512
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Speaker 2: Who gets it.

513
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Speaker 3: But except that who you want to have gotten around

514
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily who the judges think did. Once you start

515
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Speaker 3: thinking like them, you'll find some opportunities that the sportsbooks miss.

516
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Speaker 1: Sean's what about this cardio angle?

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think is somebody who does not

518
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Speaker 4: have the technical fighting knowledge that Billy has or has

519
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 4: never competed in the sport itself, because you know, I

520
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 4: played baseball growing up, so at least I have knowledge

521
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Speaker 4: of how the game of baseball works, but.

522
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Speaker 2: I've never trained in MBA.

523
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Speaker 4: But one thing that I think anybody is capable of seeing,

524
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 4: even if you've never fought, is cardi And it's very

525
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Speaker 4: obvious when fighters slow down late and fights, or able

526
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Speaker 4: to maintain their pace throughout a fifteen minute fight or

527
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 4: twenty five minute fight. I think if you're just a

528
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Speaker 4: general sports fan, I think Cardio is very apparent. It's

529
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Speaker 4: easy to see when people slow down, and it's also

530
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Speaker 4: very noticeable when fighters slow down when the pace hasn't

531
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Speaker 4: been particularly high in a fight. And that's the fighters

532
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Speaker 4: that I really want to bet against. There the ones

533
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Speaker 4: who are in sort of moderately paced fights and they're

534
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Speaker 4: slowing down regardless. And oftentimes those fighters tend to be

535
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Speaker 4: fighters who finish their opponents in round one. So those

536
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: fighters are the perfect ARC type to bet against. After

537
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Speaker 4: the first round, you're avoiding the danger of them potentially

538
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Speaker 4: beating you on a money line in round one, and

539
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Speaker 4: then you're betting your fighter after they've likely lost the

540
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Speaker 4: first round at a better price than you're getting pre fight,

541
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Speaker 4: as they're coming into their likelier win condition. I've been

542
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Speaker 4: giving out live bets pre fight on UFC for i'd

543
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: say over two years now. I need to go back

544
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: and track what my actual win rate is, but I

545
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: would guarantee you it's around sixty six percent, and most

546
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: of it is at plus money. Cardio is the king

547
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: of betting MMA. I'm always going to bet on the

548
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: fighter with better Cardio unless the skill discrepancy is extreme. Elsewhere,

549
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: I think it's the biggest edge in sports, and open

550
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Speaker 4: scoring would destroy that because, as Billy said, it's the

551
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Speaker 4: one fight, or it's the one sport where we do

552
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: not know and the fighters do not know what the

553
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 4: score is, but most importantly, the sportsbooks also don't know

554
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Speaker 4: what the score is. So sometimes after round one if

555
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: it's close, or raft around two if the fight has

556
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: been close, you can get plus money on one side

557
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 4: on one fighter and plus money on the other side

558
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: on the other fighter, and it's an easy arbitrage opportunity.

559
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: Generally not something I even do, but if that is

560
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: how you want to bet it, that is available too.

561
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Speaker 3: But to all of that, it is also the sport

562
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Speaker 3: where you probably have the least time to make a

563
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: life bet, right, So there's no halftime, there's no quarterbreak.

564
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: You've got a minute. Frequently, and we've talked about this

565
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: on the podcast too, we'll be trying to listen to

566
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: what the corner men are saying before we even make

567
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: the better look at the guy's body image in the corner,

568
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: and that eats up thirty seconds to that.

569
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Speaker 2: So it really helps to go in with a plan.

570
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: If we know we've got a guy who's got huge

571
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: power and he swings for the fences, he's probably going

572
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: to be the one who gets tired. So if he

573
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: lands a couple of those shots but doesn't finish his opponent,

574
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: you need to come in with a plan, not try

575
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: to read and react as it goes, because you really

576
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: only have a minute. And while the books leave the

577
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: lines up during the rounds, I am really hesitant about

578
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: those just because of the lag that we know happens

579
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: with what we're seeing on TV, with what really happens.

580
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: I'll track the live line sometimes and I'll see it

581
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: drop on a fighter and know that they're going to

582
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: land a big shot when I see it on TV

583
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: five seconds later. So unless you're unless you're in the

584
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: arena watching it, I would really avoid betting it during

585
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: the round, So be fast, but you got to focus

586
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: on that one minute window in between rounds.

587
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Speaker 4: The last thing I want to emphasize is that the

588
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: way judging has changed in the past year to two

589
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 4: years relative to previous MMA scoring. If you're just getting

590
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: back into betting on MMA, judges are much more likely

591
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 4: to not count or not give any credit to top

592
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 4: time if the fighter isn't doing anything with it. If

593
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: you land a takedown hold it for two minutes, but

594
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: you don't land a single strike. It almost as if

595
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 4: it didn't happen anymore. Some judges will still count it,

596
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 4: but buying large. If that's all you're doing with the takedown,

597
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter the other fighter pops back up lands

598
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 4: a couple of strikes, They're going to give that round

599
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: to the fighter who landed strike. So look for those

600
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: fights where one fighter might be getting takedowns but isn't

601
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: really doing anything with it. Generally speaking, I go the

602
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: other way, and.

603
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: I would love it on that topic if we could

604
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: go back and rejudge some of my early fights when

605
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: I was getting wrestled to death, but the guys weren't

606
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: doing anything. So I'm gonna go back and claim a

607
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: couple of old amateur wins or a couple of amateur losses.

608
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back and flip with my twenty twenty

609
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: three judging criteria eyes.

610
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Speaker 1: I like how you slip that in there. Listen, and

611
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: so many great tips by the both of you, But

612
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: let's end on this. What is the ultimate thrill betting

613
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: a UFC fight?

614
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: Sean start with you, Oh man, you know, I really

615
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: think hitting those exact round props is about as good

616
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: as it gets when you bet the fighter to win

617
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: in round one, especially when you get like a plus

618
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: nine hundred or something like that and they actually cash it.

619
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: Or you're hitting that round two in round three props

620
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: at plus twelve hundred and plus eighteen hundred respectively and

621
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: hoping that one of them hits and it does. I

622
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: think that's as good as it gets. Predicting the exact

623
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: round that the fighter is gonna win. It's funny when

624
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: the fighters predict free you know, pre fight, I'm gonna

625
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: win by knockout in round two, and they actually do it.

626
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: So being able to make money off of an assumption

627
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: that you have in that direction pre fight is it's

628
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: about as fun as it gets for me.

629
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's. And this is another thing

630
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: that's unique to the UFC is your fighter can be

631
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: losing for fourteen minutes and fifty nine seconds and land

632
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: a big punch at the end and steal it at

633
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: the end. So those are the highest highs for me.

634
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: You know, if you're watching a team sport, it's a

635
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: gradual comeback. Oh there are one runaway, three runs away,

636
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: two runs away, one runs away. You can just be

637
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: getting dominated the whole fight down on every judge's scorecard

638
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: every round, But it just takes one moment and it's

639
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: what makes the sport great. But it's also what makes

640
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: gambling on the sport great, and it's also what makes

641
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: betting on the sport terrible, because you're going to have

642
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: them go for you and against you, and you just

643
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: got to know that it's going to even out in

644
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: the long run. But those are my favorite moments when

645
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: you've kind of already mentally written off the bet as

646
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: a loss. There's been some that I've actually on my

647
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: spreadsheet already marked down as a loss, and then with

648
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: a few seconds left it gets saved. So that's the

649
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: big one for me.

650
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Speaker 4: And the arena sweat, I believe is better than any

651
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 4: other sport for me personally too, having bets on UFC

652
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Speaker 4: fights when you're in the arena, I don't think any

653
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: of it anything else compares to that in person.

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Speaker 1: That's got to be amazing. It was certainly amazing to

655
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Speaker 1: me to listen to you guys once again, Sean Zarillo

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Speaker 1: and Billy Ward. You can find them on Twitter, of course,

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