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Speaker 1: Oh it is a Thursday, Greg Cosell one hour from now,

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Speaker 1: Wild Show Yesterday, All sorts of stuff cooking today. Jesse Minder,

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Speaker 1: new coach of the Ravens, will be stopping by. I

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Speaker 1: think he's one of the four coaching hires John Harbass, Defanski,

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Speaker 1: Robert Salad, Jesse Mintter. Those four I feel very very

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Speaker 1: strongly about everything else Dice roll, So I want to

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Speaker 1: start with this. Whenever there's a big, big, big story,

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Speaker 1: I read their columns for some contextualization. Ian O'Connor is

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Speaker 1: probably my most consistent columnist I trust for perspective, and

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Speaker 1: I read his story at The Athletic this morning about

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Speaker 1: Belichick being snubbed in the Hall of Fame, and sure

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Speaker 1: enough multiple sources saying it is spygate. Spygate. Some did

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Speaker 1: bring up, according to the article, that he won forty

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Speaker 1: five percent of his games without Brady and often was embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: But it was overwhelmingly, according to multiple sources, spygate that

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Speaker 1: kept him out for a year. Okay, so once again

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Speaker 1: I will say, nobody kicked Bill out of the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, and nobody is banning him forever. He is

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Speaker 1: getting a brief slap on the wrist for not just

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Speaker 1: one spy gate. I think many of you have forgotten

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Speaker 1: there were two spygates, both times New England had to

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Speaker 1: surrender excellent draft picks. Ask yourself this, folks, when's the

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Speaker 1: last time your favorite team lost a first round pick

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Speaker 1: or a third or your coach was fined a million dollars? Oh?

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Speaker 1: The answers never. The NFL doesn't do that, and they

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Speaker 1: don't like to do that to the reigning dynasty at

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Speaker 1: taking phone calls on it. You couldn't take a Patriot call.

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Speaker 1: Everybody constantly said you can't trust these guys, and Gate this,

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Speaker 1: the people that weren't Patriot fans always labeled them cheaters.

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Speaker 1: And yet yesterday those same fans are outraged that the

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Speaker 1: voters listened to you and said, we're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 1: punish him, not the whole team, not Brady, not Craft.

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Speaker 1: We're got punished Bill, who you know is the CEO

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Speaker 1: reporter at the other place ESPN, talked about spygate and

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Speaker 3: Some Look, they were taping it from the illegal location

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Speaker 3: for seven years before they got caught. You know, the

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Speaker 3: league had sent Belichick three letters warning him to stop,

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Speaker 3: An entire perception that the league was covering up and

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Speaker 3: for Robert Kraft. You know, we wrote about Bill Pollian

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Speaker 1: Nor would they ever, nor would you. Patriots won a

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Speaker 1: to get in. This is not Pete Rose. But can

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Speaker 1: we go to this excuse? I heard a lot yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Everybody does it. So if you got pulled over on

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody does it. Would he say be on

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Speaker 1: It was called an illegal an illegal taping operation. That's

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Speaker 1: That doesn't get you past a governing body. A sanctioning body,

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Speaker 1: So when an NFL franchise is levied huge seven figure

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Speaker 1: an illegal taping operation for fourteen years by the NCAA.

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Speaker 1: they don't care. Not everybody ends up in Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: So we were talking to the staff this morning. It

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Speaker 1: do tiers and lists for quarterbacks. Hell do you do

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Speaker 1: with Sam Darnold? So of the many quality things about him.

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Speaker 1: Good guy, tough, big arm, athletic, still only twenty eight

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Speaker 1: other thing is he stays healthy. Joe Burrow doesn't. Rock

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Speaker 1: in his career. He is almost always healthy. What's funny

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Speaker 1: games next year? I mean, I love Drake May He's

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Speaker 1: got more turnovers and touchdowns in the playoffs so far.

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Speaker 1: He's still learning on the job. I love Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: What's his career completion percentage? He's still growing. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, what about him? He's going to be a

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Speaker 1: massive cap hit. He misses games regularly. He and Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: as it can be. So I'm thinking about Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: If you tank Josh Allen at Well, what about Mahomes?

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Speaker 1: What about him? He's not in the playoffs? The old

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Speaker 1: Not in the playoffs? War not in the playoffs? Justin

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Speaker 1: So do you turns thirty eight in a week? Not

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Speaker 1: mobile zero playoff wins in Detroit thirteen years. I think

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Speaker 1: the truth about Sam Darnold is the truth about this

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Speaker 1: position is that we look up, we worship, we make

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Speaker 1: him into Superman. Outside of Josh Allen, you're as good

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Speaker 1: as your coach, your coordinator, and your supporting cast. I

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Speaker 1: love Drake. May you think he's in a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: if he goes to the Jets. I love Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: You think he's here if he goes to Cleveland? Now

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Speaker 1: on Donald the ascension and what we know about him now.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have to carry that team on his shoulders.

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Speaker 4: At Carolina, he had to carry that football team. He

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Speaker 4: couldn't do it because he turned it over. Now he

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Speaker 4: can be patient, take his time, take the checkdowns, you know,

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Speaker 4: down the field. So I think the experience that he had,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's crazy to say that Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold hoists a trophy. You gotta put him in the

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks had no playoff wins for eight years. Donald

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Speaker 1: Seems like to me, hoisting a trophy in about ten

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Speaker 1: Mac jesse mentor stopping by in Greg Cosel there. You

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Speaker 1: this coaching search there is one a crazy story going

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Speaker 6: Who wants to work for Sirianni when that guy's gonna

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Speaker 8: As the head coach, you always have to be oversight

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Speaker 1: Well, Also, when you did call plays early on, it

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the

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Speaker 5: All right, let's start with the Raiders, Colin.

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Speaker 6: They are still searching for a head coach, and according

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Speaker 5: Obviously you can't be.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the Raiders is a better job.

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Speaker 6: You do need to see multiple years of success before you.

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Speaker 6: You know, Robert Sala, we've seen him. He's I mean,

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Speaker 6: The Raiders get him all right, Colin, this next story

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Speaker 9: Nothing predisposed, nothing that was there Originally I might have

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't announce the injuries of players. I worry a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the injury reports are huge for fantasy and gambling,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you take those.

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Speaker 6: Now there are seven months before or eight months before

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Speaker 1: Started sixty one college games being tackled, and he's now

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and remember Bo Knicks played it literally every snap

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Speaker 1: Look, I went and looked at his career. I do

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Speaker 5: All right, final story, Let's go to the NBA.

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Speaker 6: Last night, Lebron returned to Cleveland for perhaps the final

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Speaker 5: He got like emotional. Yeah, it was actually pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's harder than you think.

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Speaker 1: a little thirsty on social media through the years, a

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Speaker 1: little thirsty. But you know again, I think he's the

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Speaker 1: I think he does more things well than any basketball

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Speaker 1: player I've ever seen, and I've been watching the league

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Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy two seventy three. I think I think

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Speaker 1: he does more things well. I think Jordan was a

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Speaker 1: more ferocious offensive player. I think Jokic is maybe the

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Speaker 1: most versatile guy beyond Lebron I've ever seen. But there's

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Speaker 1: I don't Magic Johnson didn't lay that level of defense,

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Speaker 1: did not have that physicality, and magic is great. So

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean it's listen, when I went to

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Speaker 1: the Bulls game, he was the most popular guy in

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Speaker 1: the arena. It wasn't really that close. He still commands

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Speaker 1: an audience. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping. That's the

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Speaker 2: herd line news.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, So about three years ago, if you're

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Speaker 1: thinking of trading somebody in the NBA, you're always better

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Speaker 1: to do it quickly and quietly. The longer you wait,

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Speaker 1: especially for big men, you can get in trouble because

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Speaker 1: big men get hurt early and often. So according to

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Speaker 1: a story, Jannis from the Bucks is ready to be

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Speaker 1: dealt and the Bucks are now ready to listen to offers.

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Speaker 1: So we've been on this for three years and Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: fans are calling a clickbait. Okay, he's now thirty one

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Speaker 1: with several injuries. That's the first thing. Number two is

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Speaker 1: he can't shoot. And two years ago, maybe three, the

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Speaker 1: league has gone all in on three pointers. There's ae

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Speaker 1: hundred three pointer shot in multiple games.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like that three four years ago. Also, the

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Speaker 1: NBA has become much less transactional because of multiple aprons

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Speaker 1: and prohibitive factors to making trades that it was three

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Speaker 1: years ago. So you know, it's like asking for a

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Speaker 1: you know, a twenty eighteen tax deduction on your twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six taxes. That puppy doesn't exist anymore. So I

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Speaker 1: thought a twenty seven, twenty eight year old Yannis before

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Speaker 1: the league just became all threes and it was moving

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Speaker 1: in that direction three years ago. I think with the

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Speaker 1: new aprons, the prohibitive factors, you're still gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to sell him. Because the Knicks, because they changed coaches

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Speaker 1: and they've struggled. I think James Dolan would pull the

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Speaker 1: trigger on a move because he's getting hammered for the

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Speaker 1: coaching TIBs to Mike Brown move. And I think the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: desperate to finish off the great Steph Curry's career, also

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Speaker 1: would give up a ton. But he's having multiple caft strains.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't shoot in a three and D league. He

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Speaker 1: is also hyper athletic, and you know, and I know

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Speaker 1: how hyper athletic guys Age kd could play for nine

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Speaker 1: more years. He's a catch and shoot guy. The other

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Speaker 1: thing what's happened in the NBA, and I think there's

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Speaker 1: now so much data on it. Who are the four

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Speaker 1: best bigs in the league? Embi wemby Jannis Jokic, you

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Speaker 1: got about forty years of service and two titles. The

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Speaker 1: The NBA does not go through big men anymore. Think

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Speaker 1: about how dominant Jokic is. They got they got one ring,

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Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna end up doing fine in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: I think they would have done much better two years ago.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is, I can like a player,

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Speaker 1: but culture's change. How valuable is he now? You say

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Speaker 1: to yourself, well, he's still great. Three years in a row,

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Speaker 1: first round exits in the East. The East is bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean the East outside of Detroit. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Celtics without Tatum aren't the same team in the East.

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Speaker 1: Three years in a row bounced. So in the West,

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Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Is that? Is that making

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Speaker 1: the playoffs in the West? So I mean, I will

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Speaker 1: say this, Oklahoma City is a small market, but Sam

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Speaker 1: Presty takes big swings around corners. They operate like a

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Speaker 1: big market team. Oklahoma City plays much bigger than the

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Speaker 1: market size. Milwaukee feels like a small market, terrified to

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Speaker 1: lose their guy, terrified to lose their star. So I

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Speaker 1: think they've waited a long time. Miami's interested, Golden State

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Speaker 1: is interested, the Knicks are interested. I don't believe at

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Speaker 1: this point Jannis gets you titles. I think he'll make

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Speaker 1: the Warriors better. I think he's better than Kat for

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Speaker 1: the nixt He may actually New York's probably the best

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Speaker 1: place because Brunson is a very ball centric player who

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Speaker 1: can hit from the outside. Jannis won't need the ball

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Speaker 1: quite as much. He'll take care of the inturn interior work,

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Speaker 1: and Yannis is a much much better defender. Brunson's not

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Speaker 1: a good defender. He's a great, great leader, he's a

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Speaker 1: great scorer, He's a great finisher. I love Brunson, my

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Speaker 1: favorite Nick next to you in you know, in the year.

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Speaker 1: I love Brunson, but he's a liability on the defensive end,

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Speaker 1: so is Kat. You can pick and roll those guys

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Speaker 1: to death. So Jonathan New York makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 1: Golden State. What do the Warriors have that I want?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know, he keeps telling me on

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Kaminga. The Warriors can't get rid of them. Fast enough,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know what you have. The Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: have a new coach. Jesse Mentor is the Ravens new

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Speaker 1: guy that this feels like to me one of the

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Speaker 1: jobs that works. I think Sala and Brian Dabole in

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Speaker 1: tennessee's really really good. Harbaugh obviously, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he wins immediately. Kevin Stefanski in Atlanta feels like it's

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Speaker 1: gonna work. Jesse Mintter going back to the organization that

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Speaker 1: he succeeded at, it feels like it works to me.

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Speaker 1: And he's next to Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and neon Eastern non a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, I don't. I I can't speak for women,

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Speaker 1: but I can speak for guys that most of us

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Speaker 1: have role models in our life. It could be your father.

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Speaker 1: When I was a young broadcaster, I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: Bob Costas or Al Michaels. And our next guest is

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Speaker 1: a young guy who has worked with Jim Harbaugh and

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh and Mike McDonald. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people to glean information from. His name is Jesse Mentor,

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Speaker 1: and he turned the Chargers defense around in about forty minutes.

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Speaker 1: He is the new coach of the Baltimore Ravens, And

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Speaker 1: first of all, congratulations, that's a pretty good gig. I've

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Speaker 1: said this before, Jesse. I think the Ravens, there's an

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Speaker 1: argument it is the best run organization in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So you got yourself one heck of a job. If

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Speaker 1: I said to you, Jesse, I'd never seen a Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh team, and I said, Jesse, I've heard about this guy.

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Speaker 1: What is the one guiding principle that you take from

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh and go man? Jim Harbaugh does this exceptionally well.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think Jim empowers the players really well to

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Speaker 10: create an identity of team football, and so you know,

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Speaker 10: he kind of allows the players to be themselves, but

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Speaker 10: there's this understanding that we're all after the same thing,

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Speaker 10: we all have the same goals, and so we're willing

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Speaker 10: to kind of put some things aside sometimes and play

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Speaker 10: as a team and do things like that. I think

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Speaker 10: that's definitely the one identity that I'll certainly try to

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Speaker 10: take from Jim.

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Speaker 1: Okay, John Horball, they're similar, but they're also in some

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Speaker 1: ways dissimilar. Is there something from John Harball that was

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Speaker 1: different than that that you appreciated. You know.

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Speaker 10: I think John when when I first got here, maybe

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Speaker 10: different because I was in a different role, but he

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Speaker 10: really empowered a lot of a lot of the coaching

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Speaker 10: staff and even younger guys on the staff like I

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Speaker 10: was when I first got here, and so there was

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Speaker 10: just an ability to grow, an ability to be forward thinking,

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Speaker 10: an ability to be creative amongst the staff. And I

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Speaker 10: really look forward to kind of being that type of

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Speaker 10: head coach where you're really you're always trying to find

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Speaker 10: better ways to do things. You're always looking for the next,

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Speaker 10: the next great thing, and research and studying and doing

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Speaker 10: things like that.

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Speaker 5: So learned a lot about.

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Speaker 10: John of just empowering the staff to always really be

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Speaker 10: trying to find that next great, next great idea.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. As a defensive guy, I've said for years,

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Speaker 1: I've said, listen, if I have a choice, I want

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Speaker 1: my coach to be young and preferably offense. But I've

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Speaker 1: also acknowledged that Demiko Ryans is great. We heard I

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Speaker 1: heard that in San Francisco when he was quality control guy.

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Speaker 1: They're like, this guy is going to be a stud

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Speaker 1: We heard it about you. We heard it about Mike McDonald.

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Speaker 1: How do you, as a defensive guy come into the

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Speaker 1: operation in an offensive league where the rules all favor

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Speaker 1: of the offense. How do you build the toughness on

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Speaker 1: that defense and the culture knowing that it's now mostly

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Speaker 1: it feels like a little bit of an offensive league.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I would just say, look at the two teams

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Speaker 10: still playing.

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Speaker 5: Right now, that's sort of how they operate.

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Speaker 10: When you look at how Seattle's built and how they're playing,

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Speaker 10: when you look at New England and how they're playing,

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Speaker 10: I think it's teams that play great defense. It's how

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Speaker 10: you train, it's how you the process is that you

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Speaker 10: create to be really good, and the standards that you create.

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Speaker 10: I feel like we kind of did that defensively in

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Speaker 10: LA the last couple of years. Yeah, And so it's

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Speaker 10: about creating beliefs and goals what you're trying to achieve,

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Speaker 10: and then most importantly, creating standards of how you operate

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Speaker 10: that match those goals of what you're trying to achieve.

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Speaker 10: And I still think defense wins championships. I do agree

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Speaker 10: with you at times it feels like an offensive league.

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Speaker 10: But I think when you have when you have great

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Speaker 10: players on offense like we have, and now you can

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Speaker 10: match that with hopefully the best defense in the NFL.

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Speaker 10: Think we can do some special things.

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Speaker 1: The I mean, you turn the Chargers around immediately. So

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is an all time talent. When you have

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Speaker 1: a guy like a Josh Allen, Listen, Justin Herbert, Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: great May where you're like, Okay, these guys can do

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Speaker 1: a lot. They can go scripted, they can go off platform,

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Speaker 1: they can go off script. What is the balance with

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Speaker 1: Lamar to let Lamar be Lamar but play within a

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Speaker 1: structure you're comfortable with. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 10: I think you want the structured plays to work really

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Speaker 10: well and to be really an offense that he feels

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Speaker 10: great about and that he feels like he's thriving in

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Speaker 10: and that you're making plays comfortable for him, stuff that

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Speaker 10: he's really good at. And then I think those unstructured plays,

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Speaker 10: I mean, that's where that's where he's the best in

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Speaker 10: the world. That's where his instincts are able to take over.

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Speaker 10: He's able to make throws, runs, everything every which way.

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Speaker 10: But I really think it's the structure plays that we

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Speaker 10: need to really make sure we're tight and really make

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Speaker 10: sure there are things that he's familiar with and really

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Speaker 10: good at and willing to grow with. And I know

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Speaker 10: he's super excited about where we're headed on offense, and

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Speaker 10: I look forward to seeing him driving our offense.

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Speaker 1: Whether you play a team or not during a seat

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Speaker 1: And you see a lot of teams on film, like

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks and the Patriots. So when when you look

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Speaker 1: at our super Bowl, all the film you've looked at

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Speaker 1: this year, whether you play a team or you see

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Speaker 1: him playing somebody else, you see film of thirty two,

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Speaker 1: you see film that everybody. Are you shocked the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: and the Patriots got here? If not, why.

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Speaker 10: I'm not shocked Seattle. You know, Mike's a dear friend

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Speaker 10: of mine. I kind of know his mentality and how

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Speaker 10: he's built that team. Took over a lot of really

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Speaker 10: good young defensive players that are now you know, growing

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Speaker 10: up and in their second year, and so they have

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Speaker 10: great talent on that side of the ball. They made

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Speaker 10: they made, you know, organizational decision with Sam Darnold that's

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Speaker 10: paid off for them and the type of offense that

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Speaker 10: they're running. So not surprised at all, and the same

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Speaker 10: thing with New England. In tons of respect for Mike Grabel.

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Speaker 10: Josh McDaniels getting him back as the offensive coordinator I

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Speaker 10: think was a huge, huge development for Drake as a

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Speaker 10: young player. We played them in the first round, YEP.

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Speaker 10: And so no surprise, no surprise that those two teams

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Speaker 10: are playing. Think it'll be a heck of a matchup

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Speaker 10: for the fans to watch.

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Speaker 1: All right, head coach the Baltimore Ravens, it's a big

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Speaker 1: boy job. This is a This is a to me,

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Speaker 1: a blue blood, gold standard San Francisco forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: Eagles Ravens. This this excellence. I mean, John Harball was

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Speaker 1: a great coach and they moved on.

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Speaker 2: It is a It is.

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Speaker 1: A how do you set that culture day one? How

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Speaker 1: do you comment, by the way, because the last guy

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Speaker 1: was good, this thing's not bottomed out. You have a

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Speaker 1: roster that can win a Super Bowl next year? How

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Speaker 1: do you How does Jesse Mintor set the culture tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 10: One like knowing that there's a really good foundation, and

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Speaker 10: especially myself havn't been here knowing sort of how that

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Speaker 10: was built. Is a is a major positive and then

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Speaker 10: I have, you know, my own style, and in my

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Speaker 10: own way, I think we need to become a really

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Speaker 10: connected team. I think we need to play football in

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Speaker 10: a style that people are proud of and excited of

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Speaker 10: on all three phases of the game. And so I

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Speaker 10: think we're going to create an identity of a really

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Speaker 10: well connected team that's tough and physical, but also that's

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Speaker 10: very innovative. We want to be really forward thinking schematically

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Speaker 10: in all three phases, and I think there's going to

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Speaker 10: be a lot of excitement when the guys come back

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Speaker 10: and really feel like.

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Speaker 2: We're headed in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Jesse, good luck to you. Everybody I know speaks very

678
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Speaker 1: highly of you. It's a gold standard organization, and good

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Speaker 1: luck going forward.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You bet Jesse Mentor he turned that Chargers defense around

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Speaker 1: in like an hour. Like so there arefore I think

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh's going to crush it with the Giants. They're going

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Speaker 1: to be a playoff team next year. I really like

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Speaker 1: Jesse and Baltimore, Robert sla and Tennessee. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: the quarterback situation in Atlanta with Stefanski. I love the

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Speaker 1: hire Arthur blank is dependable, it's not a chaotic organization.

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Speaker 1: They've got tremendous skill people. So we're still waiting for

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Cardinals. Clint Kubiak sounds like he's

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Speaker 1: getting the Raiders job. I like that. Higher with a

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Speaker 1: with a team that's got some really really nice offensive talent,

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Speaker 1: They'll get Fernando Mendoza with a number one pick. Arizona's

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Speaker 1: a bit of as a bit of a shipwreck right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing that or and and

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Speaker 1: by the way, Raiders Cardinals, those divisions are tough, but

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Speaker 1: not all fourth place teams are are equal. The Raiders

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Speaker 1: are getting easily the best quarterback in college this year,

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Speaker 1: and you can nitpick Fernando Mendoza. The kid is absolutely fantastic,

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Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. So if I was a Raider fan, Clint

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Speaker 1: Kubiak to me, I mean, honestly, if if Clint Kubiak

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Speaker 1: may have been outside of John Harball and maybe Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak could be a perfect fit there. He really could. Also, remember,

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Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak has flourished in Seattle, which is a really

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Speaker 1: really young team. Well, the Raiders Mendoza is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a rookie, Rock Bowers, Ashton Genty. They've got a right

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Speaker 1: tackle who moved inside. I think he's in year two,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna attack their wide receiver. Last year they

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Speaker 1: had a rookie wide receiver. The Raiders offense is young

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Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak, Seattle's offense mostly young. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good fit. I hope Seattle and Sam Darnold can replace him.

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Speaker 1: But Jay Mack Jesse Minner to me, feels like it'll work.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definite home run higher. Interesting.

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Speaker 6: There's some stuff online about how, hey, fifty three percent

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Speaker 6: of the league is African American and in this cycle

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Speaker 6: we have had a like only white guys hired as

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Speaker 6: head coaches.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how the league deals with something like that.

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Speaker 6: You know, obviously Robert Sala has a mixed background, but like,

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Speaker 6: it's just a weird, weird to see that be like

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Speaker 6: a storyline here when you got some pretty some good

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Speaker 6: hires a couple questionable ones in there.

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna call out.

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Speaker 1: I's had no idea how Jeff Hafley's going to do

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Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, I mean Joe Brady may not be

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Speaker 1: as good as Jeff half, but he'd win more games

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Speaker 1: because he has John. I don't know what Jeff Hafley's

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Speaker 1: going to do as a head coach. I know Todd

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Speaker 1: Monkun to me feels eh, Joe Brady feels like comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I think Mike McCarthy will probably win games. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a little flat, it doesn't feel inspiring, and maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: out of my mind, but I think Robert Sala and

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Speaker 1: Brian dabol That is about as good as Tennessee could do.

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Speaker 1: I think if you'd have hired those again outside of

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Speaker 1: John Harball, I think those guys are going to crush

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Speaker 1: it in Tennessee tons of cap space. I like cam

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Speaker 1: Ward Jeffrey Simmons maybe the best defensive lineman in the league,

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Speaker 1: and that division is you can win a lot of

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Speaker 1: games in that division.

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Speaker 6: I also think the Stefanski pairing offensive coach with offense

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Speaker 6: that's got b Jean Robinson, Drake London. I think, you

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Speaker 6: know Michael Pennix needs to take the next step. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of questions about him, but

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Speaker 6: I think you know a lot of good hires. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: some questionable but uh, we'll see what happens with your cardinals.

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Speaker 6: They're yours. Remember you were at Kyler Murray guy, weren't.

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Speaker 5: You guys and out at a UFC fight or something

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Speaker 5: like that, you and Kyler.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing against him, but that organization right now

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Speaker 1: is going.

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Speaker 5: Where's the quarterbacking next year? By the way, that's a.

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Speaker 1: Good I don't know, I really don't know.

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Speaker 5: I got a big market for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg cole sells around the corner. What did he see?

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Speaker 1: What's going forward? New England a four and a half

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Speaker 1: point dog to the Seahawks,