1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: The Favorite podcast is presented by FanDuel Sports Book. There's 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: no better place to make every moment more than with FanDuel. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: I bet with FanDuel because they're safe and secure, they 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: offer great odds and markets across the NBA, n h L, 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and more, and because it's fun to combine multiple bets 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: into same game parlays. So if you're new, just download 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: the FanDuel Sports Book app to get started now. Sign 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: up with promo code Favorites so they know I sent 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: you. 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Simon. We're gonna pick up right 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: where we left off, and we talked about this all 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: year long, and I think a lot of people would 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: be interested to hear your perspective on it. But NFL 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: is the hardest thing because it's a sport. Everybody is betting, 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: and in professional betting, a lot of guys they make 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: their money in the sports no one's paying attention to. 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: They're betting tennis, they're betting baseball, they're bett in college hoops, 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: they're betting w n b A. Why bet the NFL? 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: Why focus on that? Is a professional better? I get 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: paid the most, and that's not course. Football is king. 35 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: And if I want to get a hundred K down 36 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: on a football game on Sunday, no problem. If I 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: want to get a hundred K down an NBA game 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, almost impossible. It's like the NFL books 39 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: are so happy to take big money because they want 40 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: to balance the books, and what do pros do? We 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: bet the books so like professionals, that's the hardest sport. 42 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Like they hate me. They don't want me in their betting. 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: So like with runners, that's why I love New Jersey 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: so much. It's like I can have a runner with 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: twenty online accounts. Biggest can't even compare. That's why I 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: like again, I don't want to shoot on pros to 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: live in Vegas. Plenty of the guys I worked was 48 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: still live there. They can't touch betting a New Jersey 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: is professional. It's like if you're a sports better, this 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: is heaven. There's so many sports books. They all want 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: your money, especially someone like me who just bets home dogs. 52 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: So if you're someone like me, that that's professionally and 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: you bet NFL, which it's the hardest sport, like Chad 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: is soluted to. It's it's very hard. College basketball, women's basketball, 55 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: that's money maker right there. Like pros. I know they 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: do want women's basketball, some of them at but they 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: can't get down more than a thousand, two thousands certain books, 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: and they get banned constantly. They're runners. They're just some nobody. 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: Some book. Some books won't take more than than that 60 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: because it's just like they don't want to have too 61 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: much exposure to women's basketball. Chad just talked about. I 62 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: asked Bob, how can I make the most money in this, 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: Like what's the best thing to do? Like what sport? 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: And he told me what's the easiest sports? He told 65 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: me what the hardest sports and which ones I can 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: make the most money from. He said, like NFL it's hard, 67 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: but when you get the right system, it's really easy, 68 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Like once you figure it out and you kind of 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: get to kind of get it going. And again it 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: depends on every season because it's always changing. Football is 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: always evolving. But yeah, for me, it was definitely a 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: money thing where it's like I can get paid the 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: most from clients and it's the it's like the biggest sport. 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: Like if I have a hundred clients, ninety of them 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: that NFL, maybe three of them that cricket and the 76 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: cricket girls. She makes a ton of money betting, But 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: there just isn't the demand, you know what I mean. 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: There's just like people just don't have the same kind 79 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: of interest for those kind of things. We had a 80 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of questions about Parlays. We would talk about money line, 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: Parlay's money Line Underdog Parlays in the show a lot. 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: I went back and did the math on my betting 83 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: throughout the year. And this is tying in a lot 84 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: of what we talked about earlier, because it's about getting 85 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: to know yourself as a better and what makes you 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: comfortable and getting back to basics as you talked about 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: after a couple of things like getting in your head. 88 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: If not for the money line Underdog Parlays, I kept 89 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: chasing like I would have made so much more money. 90 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: And so you know, tell people the folly and the 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: joy of Parlays. Good idea, bad idea. This is to 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: the most basic gambler. Yes, never be a parley for 93 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. You won't listen though, because 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: parleys are fun, so there's no real point in me 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: going into it. But yeah, it's if you're if you're 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: betting a hundred on a game straight like football example, 97 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: you like doing them Patriots, you bet a hunding them straight. 98 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: That's great. If you want to do a parley with 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, the Jaguars and all these other 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: teams thrown together, don't do more than five ten bucks, 101 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: like you're just every team you add, your number goes 102 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: down so much of winning. So I do parleys a 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: lot of time. I would say for our money line 104 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: round robin thing we do with the underdogs, that's more. 105 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: That's safe. You're paying for these underdogs because if you 106 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: just go to for three, you're gonna get your money 107 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: back in a little more. If you go for for 108 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: one on those money one underdog part like Brown Robbins, 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: that's crazy money. So I always tell people not to 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: do parley's, but I do them too because they're fun. 111 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: I just do it for such small, small, small amounts. 112 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: If I do twenty, you know, sixteen game parlays every 113 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: season every Sunday, like I'll you know, if I go 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: to sports but ill full a card out and do 115 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: like a five dollar or whatever it is, you're not 116 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: been at to make money. So the hardest part of 117 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: my job is this is a free show. When you're 118 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: doing a free show, people are always going to listen 119 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: to this and be like, Okay, if I'm gonna do 120 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: my own thing, I'm gonna trust myself, which I am 121 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: completely supportive of. It's your own money. When people pay 122 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: for my picks like win or lose, they're gonna ride 123 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: with me, which is great because usually we're gonna win. 124 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: They're not gonna right of me one bad week and 125 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: then the next week take off because I lost the 126 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: last week, and then all of a sudden, I go 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: four now and they go, I want to bet with 128 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: him now. Then I go whatever, two and three and 129 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: they're like, well, I could have gone and three. So 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: that's that's the constant fight with this kind of job, 131 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: with doing a free show like this, where my clients 132 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: like they're just it's all good all the time, Like 133 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: even when I lose, they're just so supportive. They're just 134 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: such good people. So I definitely think it's different when 135 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: you're paying for fix, but it's it's just more like, 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, people listen to this show and it's kind 137 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: of like a guy like, I'm not always gonna be 138 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: right like I wish I could be, but this is 139 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: a real show with real picks, Like if we can 140 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: go about fifty percent, that's that's that's what I'm hoping 141 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: for this show, because yeah, we take a lot of underdogs, 142 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: and that's that's the key to doing what we do 143 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: is take underdogs. Covington Masmadog. The rivalry will be renewed 144 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: this Saturday night in Vandals. 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So you've 176 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: mentioned this a few times. You have a client list 177 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: people paying for picks. People are asking on Twitter what 178 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: is it tout you talked about that one of the 179 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: guys you used to work with started selling picks outside 180 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: sort of the the guidelines that are established by your syndicate. 181 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: It's a very nuanced difference. Explain the difference between being 182 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: a tout and having a client list. Alright, So a 183 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: tow would be these people listening, like it would be 184 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: if you're on social media, any type of social media, 185 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: and you are giving someone your money for their picks 186 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: and return. Which again, I I know people hate touts 187 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: and are bad about them, but I'm a big believer 188 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: and if you're good at something, you never do it 189 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: for free. Now you have types which it don't matter 190 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: if you win or lose. You just selling the story 191 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: that you know, go NBA, but the nets playing against 192 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: the sixers and you know, bet the six years he'll 193 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: show whatever ticket wins. Okay, you you'll only pay them once. 194 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: But that's all he really cares about was getting that money. 195 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: So someone like me, it's a little different where you know, 196 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: I could easily sell picks with people online. People offer 197 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: me money constantly. I like being free, but I'm sure someday, 198 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: why am I putting in eighty hours of work just 199 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: to post free pick on the internet. It's like, I 200 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: I make so much more money betting than anything I 201 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: could make doing in media. Like I do love media, 202 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: but like, am I gonna make a million a year 203 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: doing talk shows? And it's that I have no idea 204 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: but probably not. But selling picks, dude, like I could 205 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: make probably a million bucks. I mean, you're give me 206 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: such a big platform now, you know, if I just 207 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: wanted to charge a couple of hundred a weekend, I 208 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: can make really good money. But I just don't want 209 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: to do that because I'm make enough sports betting as this, 210 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: and I'm already selling picks to a group of people. 211 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: So do I have any issue coming out here any times? 212 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: Do my biggest bets and things like that. No, because 213 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: I've already bet them. So it's like it's not like 214 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: I'm going against my group I give out bets. I 215 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: still giving out my bets to my clients first, but 216 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: then I come on and do it. But my advice 217 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: to people just don't pay for fix. There's so much 218 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: free information out there where if you're on these people 219 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: that you're gonna bet what you believe anyway, Like you're 220 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: that stubborn. You think you know what you're doing. Regardless, 221 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: listen all these free podcasts. Actual Network has like five 222 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: football shows. Like, there's so many different places that give 223 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: you better information. Finally, who you like and who you trust, 224 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: who you kind of disagree with, because the first step 225 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: that coming a good sports better is realizing you don't 226 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: know anything. I don't care if you watch football every 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: Sunday you know every player's name. It's irrelevant. It's truly 228 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: irrelevant to what we're doing because we're just betting numbers. 229 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: We're not really betting names and faces like that. So 230 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: I just want people to be where paying picks because 231 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: of things like that. This relates to two things that 232 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about our final two topics for 233 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: part two of our podcast about answering your questions and 234 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: sort of pulling back the curtain a little bit on 235 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: the business. The first part is a lot people ask 236 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: what books should you read? And I think it relates 237 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: to you sort of talking about information. And the second 238 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: part is what habits are good and bad. I like 239 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: talking about the books because the books, I think lead 240 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: to how you think about it, how I think about it. 241 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: So if you have thoughts on and you mentioned sort 242 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: of listening to podcasts. It can be podcasts to the 243 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: material that you look at to help you informed decision 244 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: making and become a better analyst of risk, like I don't. Again, 245 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: it's not that I don't care about other people's opinions. 246 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: I just usually don't listen to anyone else's opinions during 247 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: football season because I don't want anything to screw with 248 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: my head, Like I already have enough pros calling me 249 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: giving me their crazy ass opinions and other ship they 250 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: want to talk about. Like there's some Betty shows that like, 251 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: I used to try to listen to some, but I 252 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: just didn't do it because it was just irked me 253 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: so much where it's like these guys are just talking 254 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: out there. So for books, I have a weird approach 255 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: to it where it's like, honestly, I've read a lot 256 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: of history books. I'm into like War two stuff, and 257 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: a lot of Navy steal books like about discipline, because 258 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: I think that's like, more than anything else, if it's 259 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: the most important thing to sports swetting is to discipline. 260 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: It's a very emotional thing. Like I have a system 261 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: and the I tried to go against him me and Chad, 262 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the rest of my life. Unfortunately, 263 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs to go against the Bengals, 264 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: and it was like, not that I got two emotional, 265 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: but I definitely let it get the best of me 266 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: where it's like I should have just trusted my number, 267 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: trusting my system, taking a good number at seven and 268 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: a half of the Bangals, but I was just like, no, 269 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: like they're the most overhyped, old rated team that since 270 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna roll, so I would definitely say I've learned 271 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: from all these different books. It's like, if you're gonna 272 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: read read books, Chad's gonna give you some good gambling stuff. Here. 273 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: To me, it's a lot of mental stuff, so I 274 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: don't want to get too weird, like are the War. 275 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of different old school books you can 276 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: read that it's just good for your mental habits. That's 277 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: just as important as good good gambling information. Well, it's 278 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: interesting because I was gonna say the same thing, and 279 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: you and I didn't discuss this before we started the podcast. 280 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: But I don't read a lot of gambling books. You 281 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: know they are, there are good ones out there. There's 282 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: like the Logic of sports betting right by a guy 283 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: named Ed Miller. Really good sports betting book. There's a 284 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: great old book by Larry Merchant, who a lot of 285 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: older people will remember as the boxing analysts for HBO 286 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: for years. He did a book called The National Football Lottery, 287 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: which is as relevant today as it was when he 288 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: wrote it. In the nineteen seventy two he took thirty 289 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: dollars of in advance and spent the football season betting 290 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: to see how well he could do with it. But 291 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: I like the books I read are tangential to betting, 292 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: and they are about how people process decision making and 293 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: analyze risk. So the book Thinking Fast and Slow by 294 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Kaneman is a book that I read. The Undoing 295 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Project by Michael Lewis, which was about Kaneman and his 296 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: partner in education in economic theory, uh and sort of 297 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: their relationship, is a book that I read and liked 298 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: a lot. It's it's you know, even Moneyball by Michael 299 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: Lewis sort of makes you think about decision making in 300 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: an entirely different way. Hey, Chad, it's Matt Mitchell jumping 301 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: in really quick. I did ask around at Action Network 302 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: to see if anybody there had book recommendations. I do 303 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: know a lot of the people that asked this question 304 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: also wanted baseball books for the summer that related to betting, 305 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: and the four recommendations I received internally were Scorecasting by 306 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: Tobias Moscowitz, Trading Basis by Joe Peter, The Only Rule 307 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: It Has to Work by Ben Lindberg and Sam Miller, 308 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: and also Fooled by Randomness by see Nicholas Talb. There's 309 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: actual great book. I can't remember who wrote it. I'm 310 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: going to look it up what we're talking, but there's 311 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: a book called Traffic. It's all about um, how we 312 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: drive and how it leads to different how it reveals 313 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: different kind of decision making, and a lot is by 314 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Tom Vanderbilt. A lot of it ends up being about 315 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: pack decision making and following the crowds, and traffic is 316 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: the most literal interpretation of that right. The reason why 317 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: traffic gens end up happening oftentimes on highways is because 318 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: people start merging too early and they don't use the 319 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: entirety of the road that is available, So you get antsy. 320 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: You merge as soon as you get sort of onto 321 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: the on ramp instead of going to the very end 322 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: where you get to keep the traffic flowing for as 323 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: long as possible, and then these traffic jams start. Right. So, 324 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the idea of understanding how people make group decisions and 325 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: then trying to find a way to think differently about 326 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: that is as helpful for making for for sort of 327 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: developing good habits about betting as it is just reading 328 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: hey bet this? Uh that Actually I find to be 329 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot less helpful when trying to exist in this 330 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: space and make good decisions in the space, which at 331 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: least a one final thing simon, what are your good habits? 332 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: What are your bad habits? Oh? Man, I would say obsession, 333 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: Like if you're obsessed with what you do and you 334 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: love it, I feel like, again you always have to 335 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: take time off, like like your boy right now, But 336 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: like when you're committed to something, you go all in 337 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: and you take time for loved ones everything like that. 338 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: But it's like that habit of being obsessed with things Again, 339 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: it could be it can be bad, like you can 340 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: let your life get out of control. Sometimes you have 341 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: to keep it, keep it a little contained. But it's like, 342 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, we all have purpose and readers in life 343 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: and who knows the real purpose while we're here. But 344 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: it's like once I started getting into the lab quote unquote, 345 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: like really get into the numbers, and once my my 346 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: my model started working out, it's like I'm I just 347 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: started feeling like that feeling I'm exactly where I'm supposed 348 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: to be, Like I didn't feel like I was doing work, 349 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: even I was working eight hours eight hours a week. 350 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: It felt like I was having fun. And my biggest 351 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: habit during the season is Chad knows I'm always checking lines. 352 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: I'll wake up at the middle of the middle of 353 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: the night just roll over and just scroll through different 354 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: books and lines and just see what movement, what's happening, 355 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: checking messages, And it's like a good habit to me. 356 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: People would be not just to be positive about everything, 357 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: but it honestly helps me so much of what I 358 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: do with my job. Where it's like the Chad talked 359 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about my worst bets, like I can't lie, 360 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: Like those are miserable dark days, like you lose a 361 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: ton of your own money and you're losing other people's 362 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: money that have been trusted you with a device, like 363 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: it would be like me telling you buy a big 364 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: time stock and a stock going to zero, it's like 365 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: the worst feeling in the world. I've just lost people 366 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: who's really harder and money. There's a lot of habits 367 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: in life, and I think that's a great thing about sports, 368 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: being a lot of it goes together. Half the people 369 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: that listen to this are gonna be forever chasing and 370 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: like that depresses the hell out of it makes me 371 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: super sad, But that's just it. They're either there are 372 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: a psychopath or they're just stubborn, and it's like, no 373 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: matter what, they're gonna keep doing what they do. You know, 374 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: if you know that we've had good years, we've had 375 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: good layup fronts, it's like they don't matter. They're always 376 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: just like, ah, this guy's a phony, nada da data. 377 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: It's that's that's probably the toughest thing where it's like 378 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: you gotta break habits to make that happen. So for 379 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: bad habits, I mean a lot of there's a lot 380 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: of obviously a lot of bad habs first betting, but 381 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: the worst one obviously is chasing. Like again, I've gone 382 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: I've gone to zero a bunch of times in my life. 383 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: You don't dwell on it. It's like you just you 384 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: just learned from it and then try to try to 385 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: change from that. It's like, stop putting a Harvard stunt 386 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: of your bank go into these bets. Like that's something 387 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: I had to learn early on because they'd be like, 388 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: say I was at ten K and all of a 389 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: sudden that five K because I had had ten bad 390 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: bets and I lost five K. I would just take 391 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: off five K and put it on one game and 392 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: be like, now I'm gonna double my money on this. 393 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: It don't work like that. It's just so hard to 394 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: do those kind of things. So, yeah, definitely bad habits. 395 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Number one for me is people step chasing. Like, I 396 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: know you're sitting there right now, listen to this. Please 397 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: turn the page, start over. That money's gone. Stop chasing. Yeah, Chasing, 398 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: to me is the single worst thing you can do 399 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: as a better I mentioned earlier that Chargers Chiefs game. 400 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: I was totally chasing. I was aunty, I was upset 401 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: all those bad habits. It had been a bad weekend. 402 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: You're frustrated because you feel like you're doing good math, 403 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: you're doing the right things, and they're not going your way. 404 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: There are moments where after a betting weekend where it's 405 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: a Monday or Tuesday, and I'm still thinking about it 406 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: if it's gone bad, and I think to myself, be 407 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: a fucking professional, Like, obviously I'm not a professional better, 408 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: but I've been doing it long enough to know that 409 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm not the guy who is betting more than I 410 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: can afford, which is the second thing, and being I'm 411 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: not the guy who can't shake it off and it 412 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: feels like I have to chase to make my money back. 413 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: If you're doing this, We've talked about this so many times. 414 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: If you're doing this, hopefully you're listening to this podcast, 415 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: it's because you're doing it for the enjoyment and to 416 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: do it for a long period of time. It's not 417 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: because you think you're gonna get rich, right, And I 418 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: say this to my kids all the time, because we'll 419 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: talk about betting, and it's a scary thing to talk 420 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: about betting with your kids. I remind them their college 421 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: funds aren't at risk. That we're not at risk of 422 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: not having food on the table, We're not at risk 423 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: of not being able to pay for the house. Like 424 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: we're doing it because we like the enjoyment. We're gonna 425 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: make smart decisions and if we lose a weekend, it's okay. 426 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: It's only pride. Like that's it right. Where where you 427 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: get in trouble is when you chase, when you overbet, 428 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: you try to make it back all at once. Like 429 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: you never hear anyone out of Action network talking about 430 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: trying to make it back all at once. These are 431 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: people who've been doing it for years. They bet a 432 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: very specific part of their bank roll. They know what 433 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: they're doing. Those are the lessons you take away. I 434 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: would say, those are the bad habits the good habit. 435 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: The one thing I would add is you have to 436 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: doing of work. Put enough work in, whether it's the 437 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: obsessive level that Simon is at or sort of the 438 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: daily level that I'm at, to understand what you're comfortable betting. 439 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: And I don't mean the money. I mean everyone is 440 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: good at something right. Everyone feels like athletically, oh you've 441 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: really good aim, or you've always been good at shooting 442 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: a basketball, or you can throw a great spiral, or 443 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: you've got great hand eye coordination, or you can put 444 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is, the same thing and betting, there's certain 445 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: markets that you're gonna be more comfortable betting it, and 446 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: it takes you time to figure out how your mind thinks, 447 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: what your analysis tells you, so you truly understand what 448 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: you should be betting and where you're going to be comfortable. 449 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: And then, like when you should be tailing someone because 450 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: you feel like they're smart and you've got a little 451 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: bit on the side that you're comfortable betting, you should 452 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: with the majority of your money and make the majority 453 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: of your bets in the markets where you feel like 454 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: you've unlocked an advantage in some way. We talked about 455 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: all the time. Simon and I love home underdogs. We 456 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: love betting against the public. We love seeing how numbers 457 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: have moved and trying to tie our success into that um. 458 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: And then you can narrow down the teams that you 459 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: like based on those core principles. But you gotta find 460 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: your principles well, said Simon. We've done a lengthy interview. 461 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: We have broken it up into two parts. We have 462 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: told your origin story, the creation myth. We have gone 463 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: through how to become a professional better. We have gone 464 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: through touts, we have gone through habits. We have gone 465 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: through books you can read. You name it, we covered it, 466 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: and if we didn't, we got a long time till 467 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: football starts, so we can get back to it, we 468 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: can answer even more questions. For now, this has been 469 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: the Favorites podcast from the Volume Podcast Network for producer 470 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell, for professional better Simon Hunter, I am Chad Melman. 471 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: Download us at Spotify, Apple podcast, wherever you get your podcast, 472 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: Rate review, subscribe, feedback as a gift, sending us what 473 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: you got as long as it's five stars. Until next time, 474 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: I Love you, M m h