1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey you wasn't just stuff to blow 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: your mind. My name is Robert Lamb, and I am 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: Christian Sager, and I'm Joe McCormick, and today we bring 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: you yet another listener mail episode. In this case, we've 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: been combing through and what seems like an infinite library 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: of listener mail. That's nice, going back to your guys 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Library of Babbel episode. Yes, our inbox contains not only 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: all listener feedback, but all possible listener feedback, from the 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: positive to the negative, from the sensical to the nonsensical. Uh. 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes it does feel like that we get a ton 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: of listener mail, but I must say that we also 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: it's it's basically Crimson Hexagon stuff, and that it's almost 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: all really good stuff. I would say we we we 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: hear a lot of great feedback from y'all out there, 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: and so we have to say, as always, we get 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: uns of mail. If if what you sent us was 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: not included, please don't take that as a slight. We 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: we love reading whatever you get to send us, and 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: we like to respond when we get time, but we 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: often don't. But we're going to pick a few today. 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: We won't be able to go through the whole barrel, 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: but maybe we'll be able to not scrape the bottom 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: of the barrel, but scrape some of the sides of 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: the barrel near the top. Luckily, we have a fourth 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: entity here to do any scraping that's necessary. And that's, 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: of course, our good friend Carney. If the mail. But ah, yeah, hey, Carney, 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: what's going on? I've noticed that Carney has taken on 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: what seems to be a somewhat melancholy suicidal aspect since 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: we entered this vast library of all possible email. Well, 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: it's a lot to sort out, even with his his 32 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: high processing. Even Carney only has so much ram ram. 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Oh why is it funny to talk about ram? Now? 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Ram used to be a thing you talk about all 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: the time, not anymore. All right, Well, on that note, 36 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: let's let's let's jump into it. Let's call Carney over. Carney, 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: will you bring us our first bit of listener mail? Hey, 38 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: let's see. Okay, This first one is in response to 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the episode that Robert and I did about flying fish, 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: jumping fish, flying fish, breaching sharks, sleeping mullets, all the 41 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: fish that do the equivalent of us jumping into outer 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: space momentarily. Uh. So this first one is from Mona 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: and she if you remember from that episode Robert and I, 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: we talked about a couple of species of Asian carp. 45 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: They are known for occupying North American river waters, jumping 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: out of the water when your motor boat goes by, 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: and in some rare cases breaking your face, yes, or 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: or worse yes. Yeah, and so, as we discussed, there's 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: this Chinese cultural concept of the carp that leaps over 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: the dragon gate right, literally, a mythical concept that if 51 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: a river carp can leap over a certain waterfall, it's 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: going to transform into a dragon. So it's a magic 53 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: carp turning into jidos. Uh. This is exactly what the 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: email is about. It had no idea about this, but yeah, 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: Mona writes to us to say, hello, Robert and Joe. 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I just finished listening to the Leaping Mullets, Flying Fish, 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: Breaching Sharks episode of the podcast. I just wanted to 58 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: give you a fun fact about the Chinese mythology of 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: the leaping carb turning into a dragon. If either of 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: you have played or no of Pokemon, the video game 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: or the popular TV show. I think that's funny. She 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: specifies popular. It's still popular after all these years, is it. Yeah, 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: people still watched the Pokemon cartoon. Oh yeah, my wife 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: used to work at cartoon Networking. It's a huge hit 65 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: over there, so that's amazing. Yeah, they constantly are putting 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: out new seasons of it. Really had no idea they're 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: making more Pokemon. It's been around since I was in 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: my twenties, so it's got to be like what They've 69 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: been working on it for probably like almost twenty years, 70 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: and that's the thing. It came. It really emerged after 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: I was out of the main demographic. Yeah. I was 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: just immature enough to play the video game and watch 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: the car a little bit in my twenties, so I 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: know way more than thirty nine year old man shout 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: about Pokemon. Okay, well I didn't know this, but anyway, 76 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Mona continues, Uh, if we know about Pokemon, you'd be 77 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: aware of a Pokemon called Magic Carp. It has always 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: confused my friends and I. How this pretty useless fish. 79 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: I guess that means not a good fighter. So in 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: the game, Magic Carp is like the worst possible Pokemon. 81 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: It can barely do anything, but if you level it up, okay, 82 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: she says, yeah, it ends up evolving into a completely 83 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: overpowered dragon type Pokemon. Giara dossise, this Pokemon is actually 84 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: inspired by the said myth that you mentioned in your podcast, 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: which gives this evolution a lot more since I know 86 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: mind blown and and then she says, thanks for making 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: quality episodes, regardless of how weird they get. Sometimes love 88 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: each and everyone, my favorites being the X Files episodes 89 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: and the Mystery of the myth Fleshed Fossil, looking forward 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: to more. Well, thank you so much, Mona. That is 91 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: very kind of you to say. And we also got 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: emails from a couple other listeners on the same topic. 93 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Jeffrey rode in to let us know the same thing 94 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: about Magic carp and Jared do Yeah, I had no idea. 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, I wish I had known. Jaredos was 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: like one of my favorites. Like when I would play 97 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: the game, I would always get a magic harp and 98 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: like keep them in reserve, level them up slowly, and 99 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: then once you get geared does it's awesome. Wait a minute, 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: you said you played the game a little in your twenties. 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: This sounds like you played a lot. Uh. Yeah, I 102 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: had a game Boy and would just play what is it? 103 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: Pokemon Gold I think was what it was. And then 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: my roommates and I got Pokemon Colosseum, which is the 105 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: one where you can plug your game Boy into your 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: Nintendo six or four and fight your Pokemon against one 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: another on the TV. Oh boy, Yeah, yeah it was great. 108 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: That sounds brutal. Okay, it looks like Carton. As my 109 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: father in law says, no adult man uh spends time 110 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: catching Pokemon. Clearly a false statement. I have to turn 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: in my adult man card. Uh. So, as I mentioned, 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: Carney is holding something out here. What is it? Oh, 113 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: he's got one. Uh. That is about cyborgs and trans humanism, 114 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: which is something that Robert and I have been weaving 115 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: in and out of over the last gosh three months. 116 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: We've done various episodes that tie into this theme. And 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: this actually came to us in May. I wish we'd 118 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: read it earlier. Uh. And he originally this isn't his 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: whole letter, but he originally wanted to ask us about 120 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: doing an episode on GMOs based on the organic food 121 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: episode that we did, but he tied into the cyborgs 122 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: episode that we did, which was the first of I 123 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: wanna say like three or four episodes where we talked 124 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: about sort of the future of changing the human body. 125 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: And he says, in your Cyborgs episode, you touched on 126 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: the ethical quandaries of performing surgical enhancements before a child 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: is born. I thought you might find it interesting to 128 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: know that, in a way, this does already happen. My 129 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: son has spina bifida, a birth defect wherein the spinal 130 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: column fails to close properly. It leads to permanent parrela 131 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: us and often brain damage. He actually underwent surgery before 132 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: he was born to repair the defect and minimize the impact. 133 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: He still lost some nerves, but probably saved enough nerves 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: above the knees that he's able to walk, or he'll 135 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: be able to walk with braces to make it weirder. 136 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: Another benefit of the surgery is reversal of associated hind 137 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: brain herniation, which if left unchecked, leads to hydrocephalus and 138 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: malformation of the corpus colossum. A downside in my son's 139 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: case is that he was born extremely premature twenty six 140 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: weeks two pounds, a significant risk to the surgery and 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: about ten percent are born early. This caused a stage 142 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: four inter ventricular hemorrhage, wiping out most of the left 143 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: side of his brain. Young brains can recover from this 144 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: to some extent, but science does not yet understand how 145 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: exactly it does. This a good lead is the subject 146 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: of neuroplasticity and neural reuse. See the book after Phrenology 147 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: for a rather technical intro. So my point is by 148 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: saving his ability to walk, we also repaired one part 149 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: of his brain and damaged another, so in at least 150 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: two ways fundamentally changed the architecture of his brain and 151 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: the type of person he will become. The surgery was 152 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: highly experimental just a few years ago, but is now 153 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: considered routine, albeit rare. I think he was number one 154 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: fifty to get it since the experimental study ended. In 155 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: all the discussion of ethics surrounding the surgery, which is 156 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: what Robert and I talked about in the show, mainly 157 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: in regards to cyborgs uh and and babies uh and. 158 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: There's many conversations about the ethics. The primary concern has 159 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: always been ensuring that the benefits outweigh the many risks 160 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: involved with opening up a womb, pulling the kid out, 161 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: putting him back in again, and closing up. Mom. Jeez, 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: that sounds horrifying to me, like not being a parent. 163 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: That sounds absolutely terrifying to me. The question of whether 164 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: it should be done at all versus letting nature ticket 165 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: its course ever, really crossed my mind, and to my 166 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: admittedly limited knowledge, did not seem prevalent in the medical community. 167 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: This may change as laparoscopic versions are perfected, minimizing risks, 168 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: and surgery moves from mere repair to potential upgrades. So 169 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: that's that's from Keegan. He went a weigh in on that, 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: and he actually, you know, we we talked a little 171 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: bit more over emailing. There's a lot here. Actually I'm 172 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: not going to read a whole lot more, but we 173 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: had a nice conversation with him, and he's continuing conversation 174 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: with us about this. But it's just really interesting to 175 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: hear about this real world example where you and I 176 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: based on Oh I can't remember off the top of 177 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: my head the name of the um of the theorist 178 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: on cyborgs who came up with that idea, but basically 179 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: they were very scenarios in which would it or would 180 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: it not be ethical to transform someone into a cyborg, 181 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: and and what does their identity become afterwards? And one 182 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: of them was what if you change a child before 183 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: it's born. Um, so this was a nice real world 184 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: example coming back to that, and with lots of science 185 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: in it. I was unaware of any of that. Yeah, 186 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: that's fascinating that that. Uh. People think of this as 187 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: a purely future concern, right, Like they don't think of right, 188 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: they don't realize that it's happening in present day. Yeah, 189 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I genuinely we did that whole episode. 190 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: We've been talking about transhumanism, bio hacking, all this stuff. 191 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: I did not realize that you can, as he puts it, 192 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: take a baby out of its mother, change it physically, 193 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: and then put it back in. That's no pun intended 194 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: for the show. Mind blowing. Alright, it looks like we've 195 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: another bit of listener mail here. This one comes from 196 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: listener raw raw right soon and says, hey, guys, I 197 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: thought this was very topical. I enjoyed your recent show 198 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: on great flood myths. You may be interested to know 199 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: that the latest edition of Science August five, sixteen contains 200 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: an article with evidence supporting a Chinese Great Flood myth 201 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: um was the title of it, and he says the 202 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: team used a range of compelling, compelling measurements of sediment 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: compositions and radiocarbon dating to argue that it was very 204 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: plausible there was one of the greatest freshwater floods of 205 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: the Hollo scene in the Yellow River, coinciding with the 206 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: transition of the civilization in the region from the Neolithic 207 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: to the Bronze Age. In case you're you're interested enough, 208 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: I've attached a PDF copy of the paper. Enjoy. Thanks 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: for the show. Um So, as luck would have it, 210 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: we starved receiving a number of different comments about this 211 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: because it is very exciting. We had just done this 212 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: episode on great flood myths and and then there was 213 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: this really cool study that came out out of China, 214 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: and the main professor on this is NN Ginge Normal 215 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: University geology professor woo Ching Long, and it actually actually 216 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: wrote some copy and did a video about it for 217 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: Housetuff Works now, which I'll include a link to on 218 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: the landing page for this episode. But as Raw points out, 219 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: it's it's really fascinating because it's uh, I mean, it's 220 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: actual supporting evidence for UH for essentially what would have 221 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: been um A an earthquake oriented UM damming of the river, 222 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: like there's a collapse of of rock uh closes off 223 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: a portion of the over Hell River and then floodwaters 224 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: build up behind it until they reach a breaking point 225 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: and then crashed through with I believe like five hundred 226 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: times the normal of uh, you know, flow strength, resulting 227 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: in this uh, this flood that is actually very important. 228 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: I believe we discussed a little bit about it in 229 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: Chinese mythology because it's uh, it has to do with 230 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: the rise of You the Great, who's the first emperor 231 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: of the Shah dynasty, which is China's first dynasty, predating 232 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: the second millennium BC Shan dynasty. So it's uh, it's 233 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a fascinating topic because you see mythology, 234 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: you see geology, UM, and history all sort of coming 235 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: gather in this one. Yeah. Yeah, which is what we 236 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: saw with a lot of that flood stuff. And I 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: think the geologists that we spoke about their work on 238 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: in that episode there they were probably fascinated by this 239 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: paper coming out. Hey, I gotta ask a tangential question, uh, 240 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: not related to floods, but related to Chinese myth. Have 241 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: you seen the trailer for this new movie, The Great Wall, Yes, 242 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: I have. What are your thoughts on it? Um? Well, 243 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: when I first saw it, I thought, well, that looks 244 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: like a bit. I tended to think about it in 245 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: terms of, like the business side, like, clearly this is 246 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: a like an international production. They're going for a large 247 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: Chinese audience as well as the US audience by having 248 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: that damon in it. But I didn't really think much 249 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: about it beyond that because I'm like, I can't see 250 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: what the monster looks like. I'll decide whether I'm interested 251 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: or not when I see a picture of the monster. 252 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: But then I I ended up running running across the 253 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: commentary from from actress Constance Wu. Yeah, yeah, of course, 254 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: most famous, I think to to our listeners for being 255 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: on the sitcom Fresh off the Boat. Yeah, and she 256 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: had a lot of you know, start criticisms. I would imagine, Yeah, 257 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: that's a particular story. So for our listeners, if you 258 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: don't know and Joe, you haven't seen the trailer yet, 259 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: it seems the from the trailer, but it looks like 260 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: it is a story about why the Great Wall was 261 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: built with a fantasy angle to it, that the secret 262 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: history of the Great Wall is that they were like 263 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: monsters or dragons or something like that. That sounds yeah 264 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: on the surface, that sounds great, but but Matt Damon 265 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: is the hero. Thatt Damon and the guy who plays 266 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: uh Um, one of the Dorn guys on Game of Thrones, 267 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: are like these like monster killers that they bring in 268 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: to help them. So it's been it's like an all 269 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: Chinese cast except those two guys who ostensibly saved the day. 270 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: I guess that sounds pretty Hollywood. It's a little whitewashy 271 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: and problematic, but I can I can absolutely see from 272 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: a business perspective why it's made the way it is. 273 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: It's it's like Netflix Marco Polo, which I've watched and enjoyed, 274 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: but it's like you, it's like you have this uh 275 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: this this Western figure at the heart of the drama 276 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: to anchor it, you know, Western expectations, and then that 277 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: at times that feels really yeah. Yeah, I just I 278 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: don't know. When I see stuff like that, it immediately 279 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: made me think of our episode on Flood myth and 280 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: how like we're we're building mythology today still with movies 281 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: like this, right, but they're just not Instead of explaining 282 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: the flood, they're sort of quasi explaining the history of 283 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: the Great Wall in a in a fake fantasy way, 284 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's kind of fun, Like I 285 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: don't mind, I don't know that that sci fi revisionist history. 286 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: But but in such a way as this, it seems weird. Yeah. Well, 287 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: speaking of going back and looking at old myths and 288 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: and and reinterpreting them in light of what we know today, 289 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: we got a great, just awesome email from our listener 290 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: Katie but responding to both the flood episode and Robert 291 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: and I are episode on geomethology and monsters. Yeah, we've 292 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: been hitting the mythology hard. This is a couple of 293 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: core themes over the last few months. Yapology, bioacking fish fish. Yeah, 294 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: we have done a number of episodes. You know, we 295 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: had a Mara Heart come back on and I didn't 296 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: think about that as a theme, but yeah, okay, Well anyway, 297 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Katie writes, quote love your show to pieces, especially the 298 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: geo mythology episode. In the last episode about flood myths, 299 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: when you guys were talking about the old Norse flood myths. 300 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: You were talking about the emir who made all the world, 301 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: as you guys say, very metal. Yeah, Yumer is totally brutal. 302 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: There's gotta be some metal band out there named anyway, 303 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: Katie continues, there is another mythological flood in old Norse 304 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: mythology that comes from the poem vols Bo, And she says, 305 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: vols Bo is a poem found in the poetic Edda, 306 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,359 Speaker 1: wherein you get everything about Norse mythology. For some context, 307 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: the volvar where the female soothsayers, and the poem, which 308 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: translates to the seeing of the year, is meant to 309 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: be a recitation of a volva uh that she gives 310 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: to an unnamed audience about the forthcoming Ragnarok the twilight 311 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: of the gods. That she didn't you just record an 312 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: episode about that before I walked in the studio. We 313 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: just talked about talk about yeah uh. But anyways, she writes, 314 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: Among the many awesome epic verses are several at the 315 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: end that described the world falling into the sea. Now 316 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: we can't read all of these, She's put a bunch 317 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: in there. Really cool. I just want to read one, 318 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: she says, quote or she doesn't write this she copies 319 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: in the translation of the head. Yeah. Um, the sun 320 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: turns black, Earth sinks in the sea, the hot stars 321 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: down from heaven or world fierce grows the steam and 322 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: the life feeding flame until fire leaps high about heaven itself. Nice. 323 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: That sounds like some man o war lyrics right there. 324 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: Oh that is so much better than man o war 325 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: lyrics and would be more about brave things with the hammer. 326 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: That's awesome though. I love that how that stuff plays 327 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: out in present present context and the mythology of it too. 328 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So anyway, Katie quotes more of the poem, 329 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: and she goes on to say, so, a giant flood 330 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: comes and destroys the earth in a very Noah's Deluge 331 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: type of way. Stars fall in this flood. Uh like 332 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: possible comets coming to Earth that was referenced in the episode, 333 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: but the falling stars seem more to set the cataclysmic 334 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: stage rather than recording any cause and effect occurrence with 335 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: commets like the pished Him and Noah's floods. The world 336 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: emerges from the waters, renewed, and the gods come back 337 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: to their halls and everything is beautiful and growing again. 338 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: In this poem, However, the world ends again when a 339 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: dragon flying up from the earth, bringing uh forth darkness 340 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: and destruction. You guys talked about dragons in the geomethology episode, 341 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: and I forget if you had made any kind of 342 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: speculations about dragons being connected with volcanoes or not. We 343 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: only very briefly mentioned it, but we did. Is this 344 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: dragon she's referring to the mid Guard serpent, I'm not sure, 345 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: but as part of the ragnar Yeah, but she says 346 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: the poetic edit was transcribed in Iceland, where they definitely 347 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: have volcanoes. That's certainly true. Skipping ahead just a little 348 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: for time, she says, it's a pretty cool thing to 349 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: think about, especially because this dragon brings darkness that destroys men, 350 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: like clouds of ash that have been known to cover 351 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: Iceland in northern Europe in ash clouds that block out 352 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the sun and caused the summer to be basically winter. 353 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: On a sort of related geomethology note, in the eddic 354 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: poem and I'm going to do my best here, vath 355 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: prude Nis small Odin is discussing how humans will survive 356 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: fimble Winter, cataclysmic winter that proceeds Ragnarok. There were a 357 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: series of extreme weather events in five thirty six or 358 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: so that scholars believe were a historical fimble Winter where 359 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: Europe basically didn't have a summer for a while and 360 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: tons of people died. In or Old Norse religion, there 361 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: is a distinct difference between an earlier religious period where 362 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: human and bog sacrifices were made, complete with distinct artifacts, 363 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: and a later period where Odin, Thor and co. Are 364 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: tramping around killing giants and whatnot, and where the customs 365 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: found in archaeology changed. People think this separation of practice 366 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: came about because of social dislocation that happened because of 367 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: this fimble winter around the five thirties. Going back to 368 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: the Voluspo In earlier verses, they talk about the war 369 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: between two sets of gods, with the group belonging to 370 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: Odin being victorious. Some of the older gods, Freyer and 371 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: Freya of particular note, were taken as prisoners by Odin's 372 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: groups and were assimilated into their pantheon. And then she 373 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: gives some verses about it, uh that are also cool, 374 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: But for time, I'm going to skip on to the 375 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: end of her message. Here she says, quote, I love 376 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: this theory because there's geological evidence that there were extreme 377 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: weather patterns around the time. The archaeological evidence shows a 378 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: dramatic change in customs, which resonates in the mythological poems 379 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: that trickled down. I'd be happy to go in more 380 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: depth with the evidence, but this email is getting so long. Anyways. 381 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed this, and I would highly 382 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: recommend reading the vels BO if you haven't. It's the 383 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: poem where the stuff with Emir comes from, along with 384 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: the creation of the world and its destruction during Ragnarok 385 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: War into the world by flood, rebirth and destruction again 386 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: by dragon. It's a pretty badass poem in all sixty 387 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: six stanzas should be read with lots of notes because 388 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: there are tons of names for the names of God's 389 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: keep up the good work. Well, thank you, Katie. That 390 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: was an excellent email and we really appreciate all of 391 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: you educating us on the totally the horrors of the North. 392 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: I think it's also one thing that I got out 393 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: of this that I liked is mentioning like multiple flood 394 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: myths within the North tradition. And you know, indeed, not 395 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: only are there you know, multiple flood myths from around 396 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: the world in different cultures. Within cultures, you have multiple version. 397 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Chinese culture alone has has several different flood mythologies. Uh. 398 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: And the one that we talked about in our episode 399 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: and that I alluded to earlier is just like the 400 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: most dominant. Yeah. And I you know, like after that 401 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: episode and after hearing her reading her letter, I kind 402 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: of wish I could take like a a course on 403 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: Norris mythology now, like I have like a passing familiarity 404 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: with it, and I'm sure like I could do like 405 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: a sort of self guided deep dive into it on 406 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: my own, but I'd really like somebody who understands it 407 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: to kind of walk me through it. Like you wake 408 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: up on a on a ship, you know, thatched freezing 409 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: ocean and if your studies begin, yeah, nice, like a 410 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: wilderness adventure slash Norris mythology they use they blood the 411 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: keel with your body and this is how you learn. Well. 412 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: I got one here from Dr Britt M. Starkovic, who 413 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: is a professor at the University of Tubingen in Germany. 414 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: I believe is how you pronounce it. Looks like she 415 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: is an archaeo zoologist professor, and she writes to us 416 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: about our our episode on academ Gora Doc. She says, 417 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: Dear Robert and Christian, I love your show. You really 418 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: caught my attention in your academ Gora Doc episode when 419 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: you talked about the Russian domestic foxes. I teach archaeology, okay, 420 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: archaeology at the University of Tubingen in Germany, and this 421 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: is one of my all time favorite topics. I specialize 422 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: in the human use of animals in the past, what 423 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: humans eight, what different species were domesticated, etcetera. I wanted 424 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: to send you a link to some videos of foxes 425 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: interacting with people. These these are the specific boxes from 426 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: academ Gora Doc. She says, I find the quote aggressive 427 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: or normal wild version a bit depressing, but the tame 428 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: one is absolutely absolutely adorable. They're cool videos. I recommend 429 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: checking them out. They're hosted on Illinois University's website. She 430 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: also says, you mentioned in your episode the different coloring patterns. 431 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: I assume in your research you saw it's called piebald, 432 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: which is also coloring that shows up in a lot 433 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: of other domesticated animals, border collies, jersey cows, tuxedo cats, 434 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: spotted picks and horses. The physical changes in these foxes, 435 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: given that they were only being selected for behavioral traits, 436 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: has totally caused us to rethink how we understand domestication 437 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: and the modern diversity found among different breeds of animals. 438 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: The last thing I wanted to mention is that for 439 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: a time, this is awesome. There was a guy in 440 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: the United States who would help arrange the import of 441 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: one of these domesticated foxes to Europe or America if 442 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: you had an extra nine thousand dollars lying around. So 443 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: if you wanted to get an academ GOORADOC fox, some 444 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: shady dude would get you one. Uh. And she says 445 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: his website hasn't been updated in a few years. She 446 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: provides a link, and she says, I'm not sure what 447 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: the deal is. I'm a huge pet lover, but find 448 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: it unethical to keep a non domesticated animal as a pet. 449 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: These little guys have enough genetic changes, though that I 450 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: dream of someday having one. Well see, that's all well 451 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: and good until the fox gets too big and people 452 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: flush it down the toilet, and then they'll become mutant 453 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: sewer foxes. Is it gonna be academ gera dock fox 454 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: the movie? Is that? Is that what you're pitching here, Joe? 455 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Britt that that's really cool to learn. 456 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: I didn't, I mean when we talked about it. I 457 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: think I may be casually said as an aside, I 458 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: wonder if you can get one of these foxes? Um, 459 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm still working on this. I 460 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: think it's your teenage mutant academ goa doc Foxes? Oh nice? Well, 461 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: you know? And in the teene mut Ninja Turtle comics 462 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: there is a fox ninja there hang out with it. 463 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: Is it a lady Foxes? It is? Yeah, the Fox Spirit? Yes, yeah, yeah, totally. 464 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: What's her name? I can't remember the name of it. 465 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: It begins with an a. She's like a white fox 466 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: with some markings and stuff. But she's occasionally an ally 467 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: of the Teenage Ninja Turtles. And yet again showing how 468 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: much I know about eighties cartoons, is there a fox Pokemon? Yeah, 469 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: there's multiple fox Pokemon. What how do you not know this? Alright, 470 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: here's another one. This one comes to us from Sarah. 471 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: She says, longtime listener, first time writer, I'm a huge 472 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: fan of the show and listen to every new episode 473 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: as soon as I can. Your episode about incomplete art 474 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: was incredibly fascinating, But of course you weren't able to 475 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: include every unfinished project. But I wanted to point out 476 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: a noticeable piece of unfinished art, the musical Rent. I 477 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: didn't know this. The writer of the musical, Jonathan Larson, 478 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: died the night before the show was to start preview performances. 479 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: According to the production staff, the show still had a 480 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: lot of issues that needed to be worked out, but 481 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: they were hesitant to move forward without the show's creator. 482 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: They chose not to write anything else, only to rework 483 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: the existing material. The shows that exist today is only 484 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: a portion of the vision that Larson had for the show. 485 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: We will never know how the show could have changed 486 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: if Larson had been able to finish it, but what 487 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: we're left with maintains Larson's legacy while being a highly 488 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: popular and hugely influential production. This is important because it 489 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: shows how I work can be finished without betraying the 490 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: original ideas of its creator. I can't wait to see 491 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: what else shall have in store for your podcast, and 492 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: hopefully y'all will never be included in the list of 493 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: things that went on unfinished. Thanks for blowing my own 494 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: mind with every new episode. Well, I will have to 495 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: say unfortunately, I think by nature we will have to 496 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: be unfinished. How can we finish talking about all the 497 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: things that will blow your mind? Well, speak to yourself. 498 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: I believe we can. We can complete three of our 499 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: minds into Carni and we just continue talking for eternity. 500 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: Oh it's true. Once we process the entire library library 501 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: of Babel, we will have exhausted synchronicity. Yeah, uh so 502 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: was the I'm curious now if the version of Rent 503 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: didn't have five hundred twenty four hours six hundred minutes, 504 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: did you I think the numbers are probably wrong. Yeah, 505 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: that's all I know about round. It's yeah, I I 506 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: have to plead ignorance on on the product. But it's 507 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: interesting to learn about it though. Um. I want to 508 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: mention real quick as for us incomplete works go. This 509 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: is one that I learned about researching the episode that 510 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: Joe and I uh just put together that has to 511 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: do with rapture and utopian trans humanism but apparently average averaging. Um, 512 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: there's a work. An incomplete utopian novel by Sir Francis 513 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: Bacon UM six six or so titled The New Atlantis 514 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: UH that deals with a post trans human proto trans humanist, 515 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: utopian society on the island of Ben Salem, where there's 516 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: no slavery, slavery or poverty and everybody's ruled over by 517 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: a group of religiously tolerant scientific elites. So it's interesting. 518 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting that was apparent. Yeah, that was the published 519 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: I think a year after his death UM, but a 520 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: very early proto trans humanist work, but also complete. Picking 521 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: up on that, I can offer a couple of ideas 522 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: about Incompleteness that we heard back from listeners are our 523 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: listener Jim in New Jersey, who often emails us with 524 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: with great email and awesome feedback. He wrote us about 525 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: the Incompleteness episode and I can't read his whole email. 526 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: He talked about the TV show Nashville, but he also 527 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: big hit I believe with the um Smithy ladies, they're 528 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: huge nash I didn't know that. But anyway, he offers 529 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: some psychological feedback on the idea of why why we 530 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: stick with incomplete works of art? You know, why we've 531 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: got to know the end, even maybe if we're not 532 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: loving it anymore. I I used the example of Lost, 533 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: how like I I got to the point where I 534 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: don't think I liked the show anymore, but I had 535 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: to keep going because I wanted to see how it ended. 536 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: And then I was very disappointed. But anyway, Uh, Jim says, quote, 537 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: sticking with something you've invested in falls into the sunk 538 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: cost fallacy. This is the economic my idea, that you 539 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: stick with something wasteful only because you've already invested a 540 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: lot of resources into it. I think of someone remaining 541 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: in a bad relationship because they've already invested five wasted 542 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: years into it. I think this is a good example. 543 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: Once you've already put the time in with something. And 544 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: our relationships with media are in many ways kind of 545 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: like our relationships with people, even if you know they're 546 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: not really changing based on our behavior, we sort of 547 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 1: feel like it's transactional. Uh. You feel like, well, I've 548 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: put so much into this, I've got to know how 549 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: it turns out. So even if you know you're at 550 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: season five, episode four, and if that's the first episode 551 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: you saw, you probably wouldn't continue. Now that you've watched 552 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: everything that came before, you're stuck with it psychologically. But 553 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: then he goes on to say the related term to 554 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: this is the lost opportunity cost. By sticking with a 555 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: failed endeavor, you're not available for something better. So the 556 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: person who's stuck in a bad five year relationship because 557 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: of sunk cost is also missing out on the opportunity 558 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: to start a relation and ship with their soul mate. 559 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: And I think this also applies to media. You know, 560 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: we we've got limited time in our lives to to 561 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: read books and watch movies and and experience all the 562 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 1: great stories that we want to interact with and and 563 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: have informed our brains. You can't, You can't experience at all. 564 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: So it kind of sucks to realize that you spent 565 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times stuck with a story that you 566 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: didn't really love because you were motivated by the desire 567 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: to see how it ends. And here's one more about 568 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: the Incomplete Unfinished episode uh and and Unfinished workspart from 569 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: our listener Taylor. Taylor says, uh, dear, stuff to blow 570 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: your mind. I was just listening to your episode on 571 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: Incomplete and Unfinished Works, particularly your discussion of TV shows 572 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: and book series that are unfinished, and I was surprised 573 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: how little you discussed fandom. I think we did mention 574 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: it a little, but I think it a little bit. 575 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: We didn't get very deep into it, I guess h 576 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: Taylor writes. When people come across the series where they 577 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: have to wait for the next installment or when there 578 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: will be no more installments, many times they finish it 579 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: them selves. Huge communities online around fan art, fan fiction, 580 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: and other fan works thrive, especially for source material that 581 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: is unfinished. Fan creators at the Firefly Serenity community. Oh yeah, 582 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: Taylor continues, fan creators will also complete, quote quote complete 583 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: the source material by adding elements they feel should have 584 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: been in the story or would just like to see 585 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: in the story, even if it's completely unrealistic. They'll get 586 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: characters together that did not end up together in the Cannon, 587 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: revive characters that died in the Cannon, sometimes completely replaced 588 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: the universe the Cannon exists in altogether. The episode also 589 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: reminded me of my own worst experiences with unfinished works. 590 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: I do a lot of cooperative writing and role playing, 591 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: and I can attest that the story ended prematurely is 592 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: all the more painful when you had a hand in 593 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: creating it. I have even taken to writing shorter stories 594 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: to avoid that feeling. That's interesting anyway, Taylor's think we've 595 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: all been there, all of us who write fiction. Yeah. 596 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: Uh so, I'll just finish up, Taylor says, I want 597 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: to thank you in the Whole House Stuff Works Podcast crew, 598 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: I haven't written in before, but I've been following this 599 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: in a few of your other podcasts, like Stuff You 600 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: Should Know and Stuff They Don't Want You to Know 601 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: for a while. I always feel as if I'm smarter, 602 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: have more topics for conversation, and I'm better suited to 603 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: analyzing things when I'm done listening. Good luck, and I 604 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: have a mind blowing summer. You can tell this came 605 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: from a while ago. But thank you so much, Taylor. 606 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: That was a thoughtful and very nice email. Yeah. So, like, 607 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in this topic, as you guys know, 608 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: Like I have a background in cultural studies and did 609 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of work on fandom in particular, Henry Jenkins 610 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: has a whole basically established a whole discipline on fandom. 611 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: So it's interesting to hear their perspective on this. That 612 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: might be something fun to tackle in the future. Yeah, 613 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: you know an author that I really enjoy and I 614 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: know you've been reading some of this stuff recently. Michael Shayum, 615 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: I love him, I I love how some of that. 616 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: I think his earliest, if not his first novel was uh, 617 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: basically an unofficially fiction, Yeah, basically fan fiction. He was 618 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: a big fan of Jack Vance's um books in the 619 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: Dying Earth series, and he caught him up. They wrote 620 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: him and said, hey, I'm right, I've written this, uh 621 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: the sequel, uh, a book that would go on to 622 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: be published as in Yanna as the title, and it's 623 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: a fabulous Jack Vancy adventure that has it has, you know, 624 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: a distinctive Michael Shay twist on everything. And he he 625 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: was basically Jack Vance uh said well, I'm not gonna 626 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna read it, but you have my blessing. Go, 627 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: you know, get it published whatever. It's amazing. It never happened. Yeah, 628 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,479 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine happening now, but in this case, 629 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, it launched this guy's career. He went on 630 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: to write a number of this wonderful books that are 631 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: very much distinctively his. If you haven't heard us sing 632 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: his praises before on other episodes, are especially on our 633 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: summer reading episodes. Michael Shay is fantastic. And uh, I'm 634 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: actually borrowing the incomplete and if the Lean stories from 635 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: Robert right now, and it's I read a couple of 636 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: pages every night before bed. It's just so good. It's 637 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: the best fantasy, Like the smartest fantasy I think I've 638 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: ever read. He could just construct these amazing worlds. Yeah, okay, 639 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: So this next one is from Rowan, who is local 640 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: to us here in Atlanta, and I'm going to try 641 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: to it's a longish letter, so I'm gonna try to 642 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: edit it down a little bit. Um. He just lets 643 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: us know that he's a bio nerd and he's written 644 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: into us before, and he used to work in an 645 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: HPV lab and is in love with the d I 646 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: Y bio hacking community. So when he heard us doing 647 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: episodes about trans humanism bio hacking, he got excited. So 648 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: he wrote in to tell us this regarding the man 649 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: who developed e V and this is in relation to 650 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: our tree Man Disease episode. E V as the shorten 651 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: name for tree Man disease after cutting his knee as 652 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: a teenager. That makes sense to me. Wounds are great 653 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: for introducing germs. HPV, for instance, usually infects mucous membranes 654 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: like genitalia, mouth, throat, et cetera, not places like your 655 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: knee where there's a thicker barrier, but a wound could 656 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: circumvent that barrier and let infection get a foothold. I 657 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: don't have time to dive into the research, but I 658 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: wonder if there's some correlation between people getting the infection 659 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: in unusual places and people developing extreme symptoms like tree 660 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: man disease. Who knows the HPV strains you guys listed 661 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: off are not super common. They it might be part 662 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: of the reason that it's so rare if it requires 663 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: a rare strain and a rare genetic mutation plus sunlight 664 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: and mysteries, which is yeah, and they just don't have 665 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: real answers yet to what's going on with it. Another 666 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: thing about HPV infection usually have more than one strain. 667 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: It would be interesting to know if particular combination showed 668 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: up more often, or if different strains interacted with each 669 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: other somehow. None of the ones you listed are in 670 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: the vaccines, but they're working on a more general vaccine 671 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: that would protect against all HPV streams. It wouldn't help 672 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: people who already had the disease, but it could prevent 673 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: any more cases. A bit of hope for your depressing episode. 674 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: Last fun fact about HPV, you guys said, it's super common. 675 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: It's so common, in fact, that we have a hell 676 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: of a time finding negative controls for our tests. It's 677 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: hard to find anyone who hasn't been exposed to HPV. 678 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: That's comforting. Most of the negative controls end up coming 679 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: from children's samples. And then he gets into bio hacking. Okay, 680 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: he says, bio hacking. The episodes that we did were 681 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: pretty needy, says thank you very much. As a kind 682 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: of not really bio hacker myself, I enjoyed them, though. 683 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: I'd like to note that trans humanists are just a 684 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: tiny section of the bio hacking and d I Y 685 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: bio community. Anyway, I happen to be local and thought 686 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: that you might want to know that at least two 687 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: maker spaces hacker spaces in Atlanta are trying to get 688 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: a bio hacking scene going. Maybe we'll be like, we can, 689 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: we can get together with these guys and get some magnets. 690 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: Putting our fingers, I am a member at Freeside, Atlanta. 691 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: We're in the process of setting up a lab. We 692 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: have a class on engineering glow bacteria, which will run 693 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: again as soon as I get things together. I'm editing 694 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: that he mentioned some other ones that are around town. 695 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: For people who aren't local, you probably wouldn't be familiar 696 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: with the suburbs of Atlanta. Um and And says that 697 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: there's some people working on brain computer for computer interfaces, 698 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: uh and teams that are building an e G from scratch. 699 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: So it sounds like Atlanta's got a burgeoning bio hacking community. Yeah, 700 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: so that's very interesting. He's plugging for that. So if 701 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: you are out there, you listen to our bio hacking 702 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: episodes and our trans humanism episodes and you thought that 703 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: sounds like it's something for me, you might want to 704 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: look into this, he says. Says that the spaces have 705 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: public events that are listed on meetup dot com. You 706 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: can check those out. UH. Side note, a friend of mine, 707 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: unrelated to us doing those episodes, became interested in getting 708 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: mag magn 's put in his fingers and went out 709 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: and found h tattooist I guess or a tattoo artist 710 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: who performs that function. As well, So he's getting the 711 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: he's doing the magnet thing. Yeah, alright, Well, here's a 712 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: one more piece of listener mail. This one is a 713 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: quick one. And oh this one comes. It's another one 714 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: from Jim. I hate to read one too, by the 715 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: same author, but this is just a real quick one 716 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: with a book book a recommendation in it Robert Joe 717 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: and Christian As for synthetic meat and or cannibalism and fiction, 718 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: I have two suggestions, pursue at your own peril. Um. 719 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: So the first one he mentions is The Food of 720 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: the Gods by author C. Clark, which I read decades 721 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: ago in the Wind from the Sun, a book of 722 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: short stories, and I really mean short stories. I think 723 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,479 Speaker 1: each story was no more than a page or two long, 724 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: so like flash fiction before it was called that. I've 725 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: heard of this story, but I haven't read it. He says. 726 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: This short story addresses the very questions you brought up 727 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: in your synthetic meat episode by Clark d plus years 728 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: ago before the technology existed, um, which we're basically, would 729 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: you eat synthetic meat or would you eat synthetic human meat? Yeah, 730 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: like if it was it was synthesized human flesh. Would 731 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: you eat it? The problem? Yeah, that's what I said. 732 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I said, I'm a vegetarian. The problem with 733 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: eating human meat is that it comes from it had 734 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: to come from a human. Yeah, well so, so easily 735 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: have more. He said, there was a second one. There's 736 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: a second one, and this one. I imagine we we 737 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: have probably all three. Read The Survivor Type by Sephen 738 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: King with an entry Yeah, and also book of short 739 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: Stories pretty just pretty. It's pretty disturbing in a Stephen 740 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: King kind of way. I think. I I think I 741 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: read a quote from Stephen King where he was saying, like, 742 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: I think my favorite types of stories to write are 743 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: the really nasty, grizzly ones. But on this one, I 744 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: think I went too far. There's also been and I 745 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: didn't add this to the listener mail, but several people 746 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: have written into us, both over mail and on Facebook 747 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: about because I mentioned Wolverine on that episode and whether 748 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: he cuts his own skin off and eats it at 749 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: any point because he can just regrow his own flesh. 750 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: And they pointed out that there's an issue of X 751 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: Force that I forgot about that I've read where Deadpool, 752 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: the famous character who just had a movie this summer. Uh, 753 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: does that to himself and feeds bits of himself to 754 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: another character who's like dying and starving. So he cuts 755 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: off his own skin and little chunks of arm flesh 756 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: and feeds into him. Gross where the mask come from? Like, 757 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: he's really not even beginning to obey. Basically, Oh, I 758 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: think Deadpool it's yeah, I mean it's not fiction. But 759 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: he's like Wolverini regrows. Why is he fighting good crime 760 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: or superviance when he could be feeding the masses. He's 761 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: not Deadpools a mercenary. Now alright, he's got an outfre 762 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: Sorry we shouldn't we We just went off in geek territory. 763 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: We we didn't explain what happens in the story. Yeah, 764 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: very brief synopsis. There is a drug smuggler who has 765 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of heroins terrific, Yeah, but has a bunch 766 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: of heroin with him. He got stranded on a desert 767 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: island with nothing to eat, so he realized he's starving 768 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: to death. And he realizes that, well, you know, I 769 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: could just drug myself so I don't feel pain and 770 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: then cut my foot off and eat it and that, 771 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: and it proceeds from there. Yeah. Yeah, I guess in 772 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: that scenario, I would probably odon the heroine before I 773 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 1: would uh just use it as a pain cut off 774 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: my own limbs. See, the thing is he found a 775 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 1: pamphlet from the airplane that says, um, auto cannibalism is 776 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: it for you, and it's all about surviving a plane 777 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 1: cracks through auto canniba. That would be amazing if stewardesses 778 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: had had to explain auto cannibalism to you before a 779 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: plane took off. It's it's definitely a disturbing one. And 780 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: want to remember well from from when I read it 781 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: the first time I can Junior, Yeah, I read it 782 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: when I was a kid too. Okay, So on that note, 783 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: you probably wrapped things up on the auto cannibalism. No, yeah, 784 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: that that is only just a slice of the vast 785 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: listener mail, um flesh chunk consume for you today. Yeah, 786 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: we only were able to cut a little bit off 787 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: and chew on it for forty five minutes. Sorry, but 788 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: we will get two more in the next couple of months. Yeah. 789 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: And like I said before, if if we didn't get 790 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: your to your email, please don't take that as a 791 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: as a slide against the wonderful feedback that you send 792 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: us there. There's just too much good stuff for us 793 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: to get to use. Podcast is just reading letter mail. Yeah, 794 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: so so please keep sending it. We we love to 795 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: read what you'all out there have to say. So maybe 796 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: you're listening and you're thinking to yourself, Hey, I didn't 797 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: know that I could get my messages read on a 798 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: podcast that I like listening to all the time. 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