WEBVTT - Feist 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:23.196 Pushkin. Canadian born singer songwriter Feist has been one of 0:00:23.236 --> 0:00:26.676 the most dynamic indie voices of the last two decades. 0:00:27.396 --> 0:00:30.316 She scored international fame early in her career, thanks in 0:00:30.356 --> 0:00:33.996 part to a nano iPod commercial featuring the song one, two, 0:00:34.236 --> 0:00:38.036 three four, But for fans of Feist, her appeal lies 0:00:38.076 --> 0:00:42.476 in how she mines her complex emotional life. Just last month, 0:00:42.596 --> 0:00:47.036 Feist released her sixth album, Multitudes. She recorded it in 0:00:47.036 --> 0:00:51.476 the aftermath of tremendous personal loss and change. In late 0:00:51.516 --> 0:00:54.876 twenty nineteen, Feist adopted a baby just months before the 0:00:54.916 --> 0:00:58.876 pandemic started. About a year later, her father died suddenly. 0:00:59.916 --> 0:01:03.076 Multitudes is a raw and intimate look at how she 0:01:03.116 --> 0:01:06.556 grappled with deep seated grief and a new kind of love. 0:01:07.396 --> 0:01:10.436 On today's episode, Lea Rose time with Feist about how 0:01:10.596 --> 0:01:15.076 being assaulted in high school ultimately led to her gaining resilience. 0:01:15.756 --> 0:01:18.876 Feist also remembers the day her music career began when 0:01:18.916 --> 0:01:21.676 she was asked to front a hardcore band, and how 0:01:21.756 --> 0:01:24.716 screaming on stage and ultimately blowing out her voice forced 0:01:24.716 --> 0:01:31.276 her to develop her intimate, career defining singing style. This 0:01:31.476 --> 0:01:34.716 is broken record liner notes for the digital Age. I'm 0:01:34.836 --> 0:01:38.676 justin Mitchman. Here's Lea Rose with Feist. 0:01:39.476 --> 0:01:43.516 I have read the PR blurb about the new album, 0:01:43.556 --> 0:01:46.076 but I would love to hear in your words, just 0:01:46.476 --> 0:01:49.196 talk about how the project started to come together. 0:01:50.316 --> 0:01:55.476 Yes, well, everything was pretty topsy turvy, there wasn't it. 0:01:55.516 --> 0:01:59.476 I mean, there was a complete reframe. There was no 0:01:59.636 --> 0:02:02.036 presumption of the way things used to be is the 0:02:02.036 --> 0:02:02.596 way they're. 0:02:02.436 --> 0:02:02.796 Going to be. 0:02:02.916 --> 0:02:07.836 And interestingly, the outside world was sort of echoing what 0:02:07.916 --> 0:02:09.956 was going on for me in my side world, which 0:02:09.996 --> 0:02:12.996 was that nothing was to be presumed, nothing that had 0:02:13.036 --> 0:02:14.196 been was going to be. 0:02:14.036 --> 0:02:17.036 Because I had just become a mother right four months. 0:02:16.716 --> 0:02:20.236 Before the pandemic started, so it was sort of a 0:02:20.276 --> 0:02:25.836 double down of complete reassessment. And you know, a friend 0:02:25.836 --> 0:02:28.596 of mine said something that has become unfortunately so true. 0:02:29.036 --> 0:02:33.396 I mean, fortunately unfortunately that to become a parent is 0:02:33.636 --> 0:02:39.076 to be incinerated and so true. But who rises from 0:02:39.076 --> 0:02:41.636 the ashes is a more interesting person to be for 0:02:41.676 --> 0:02:44.116 the rest of your life And I'm still working on that. 0:02:44.156 --> 0:02:46.276 I'm trying to figure out if this is more interesting. 0:02:47.476 --> 0:02:51.316 Yeah, but that I know, it's like I just feel 0:02:51.356 --> 0:02:56.156 like a like depleted version. But hopefully eventually more interesting. 0:02:56.356 --> 0:02:57.996 Well, the way I've been looking at it is the 0:02:58.076 --> 0:03:02.516 person who decided to the person who felt capable of 0:03:02.556 --> 0:03:05.356 being a mother to decided to become a mother, she 0:03:05.556 --> 0:03:06.196 was actually not. 0:03:06.236 --> 0:03:09.676 Very useful and not very helpful a monther. 0:03:11.076 --> 0:03:14.916 So you know, that was then echoed by the whole 0:03:14.956 --> 0:03:17.796 world kind of being uncomfortable with their former selves that 0:03:17.836 --> 0:03:20.716 didn't serve them anymore in this new context. And every 0:03:20.836 --> 0:03:23.076 I felt like everywhere I looked, anyone close to me, 0:03:23.556 --> 0:03:26.876 let alone kind of collectively, there was just this crucible 0:03:26.916 --> 0:03:30.716 that was just incinerating every presumption that came from a 0:03:30.716 --> 0:03:34.756 previous time, you know. And so songs kind of they 0:03:34.916 --> 0:03:37.516 became what they're they always have been to me, but 0:03:37.716 --> 0:03:40.396 like they certainly were even more so a kind of 0:03:40.436 --> 0:03:44.476 a habit that I returned to that brought me comfort 0:03:44.636 --> 0:03:47.436 or like a it might be in that incineration, some 0:03:47.676 --> 0:03:51.996 last living arm lunged out of the quicksand like ah 0:03:52.156 --> 0:03:54.916 and grabbed it a little filament of a former self 0:03:54.996 --> 0:03:59.116 or something, because I found it really helped me to 0:04:00.276 --> 0:04:03.236 use some of those wee hours and those sort of 0:04:03.236 --> 0:04:09.236 that liminal state of pure exhaustion and to open myself 0:04:09.276 --> 0:04:13.596 to that and a lot of new things and new 0:04:13.636 --> 0:04:17.516 parts of me were very slowly given a little a 0:04:17.556 --> 0:04:20.396 place to you know, work out. 0:04:20.276 --> 0:04:22.996 What that was going to look like in the form 0:04:23.036 --> 0:04:23.636 of songs. 0:04:23.676 --> 0:04:26.956 So it was, you know, kind of like a like 0:04:27.076 --> 0:04:30.956 some people return to hiking, or they get they go swimming, 0:04:31.076 --> 0:04:33.836 clear their head, they you know, whatever they've done their 0:04:33.836 --> 0:04:36.476 whole life to return to a kind of a privacy 0:04:36.596 --> 0:04:39.836 that is going to maybe help them like untangle something. 0:04:40.636 --> 0:04:43.596 In my very fortunate case, I've always found that in 0:04:43.636 --> 0:04:46.716 writing a song over the years, like I can put 0:04:46.756 --> 0:04:48.996 almost every one of my songs has in some way 0:04:49.076 --> 0:04:53.396 been my attempt to understand some unknowable moments. 0:04:53.956 --> 0:04:56.796 Are there any songs on the new album that directly 0:04:56.876 --> 0:05:01.236 relate to being a new parent that helped you articulate 0:05:01.316 --> 0:05:04.116 something that you couldn't quite grasp before. 0:05:05.276 --> 0:05:08.436 Well, I would say the only song that you know, 0:05:08.636 --> 0:05:12.916 she will I was about her is the song Forever Before, 0:05:12.996 --> 0:05:15.556 which I think might be the second song I think. 0:05:16.076 --> 0:05:21.836 And it came from this idea that to commit so intentionally, 0:05:21.956 --> 0:05:27.356 to walk so directly right towards the precipice of complete vulnerability, 0:05:27.996 --> 0:05:29.476 is to become a mother. 0:05:29.876 --> 0:05:31.796 And I had never begun a forever before. 0:05:32.116 --> 0:05:34.796 I mean, that was sort of there was no sidling 0:05:34.836 --> 0:05:35.876 out of that commitment. 0:05:35.956 --> 0:05:37.236 It was a true commitment. 0:05:37.476 --> 0:05:39.556 And you know, as much as I feel that I 0:05:39.556 --> 0:05:42.596 have been committed to things in my life before, I've 0:05:42.956 --> 0:05:46.636 shown all the way up to different things and different 0:05:47.236 --> 0:05:51.196 relationships and different ways of thinking or ways of being, 0:05:51.956 --> 0:05:54.996 the ways of relating, I had never done something that 0:05:55.036 --> 0:05:57.636 could not be undone or that I hope will never 0:05:57.676 --> 0:05:58.396 be undone. 0:05:58.476 --> 0:05:58.796 It is. 0:05:59.396 --> 0:06:03.956 It's the first one hundred percent, just like dive Dive in, 0:06:04.236 --> 0:06:07.276 you know. And so that song kind of helped in 0:06:07.316 --> 0:06:10.796 a way. It chronologically over the three verses, it's sort 0:06:10.796 --> 0:06:14.516 of it's like a little parenthesis around maybe the years 0:06:14.596 --> 0:06:19.556 leading up to understanding the basis of my life and 0:06:19.636 --> 0:06:23.596 how it was no longer enough or something, and how 0:06:24.396 --> 0:06:28.356 that I wanted to expand and make myself prone to 0:06:28.796 --> 0:06:29.436 the unknown. 0:06:30.276 --> 0:06:30.596 Yeah. 0:06:31.036 --> 0:06:34.876 On your song Borrow Trouble, there's some lyrics that talk 0:06:34.916 --> 0:06:37.596 about picturing a life that you are left out of 0:06:38.116 --> 0:06:42.116 and how that is maybe different than what you imagined. 0:06:42.956 --> 0:06:46.196 And it seems to me like you're now trying to 0:06:46.276 --> 0:06:49.676 appreciate a life that you've created for yourself. 0:06:50.756 --> 0:06:54.356 Yeah, I would say I found the idea years ago 0:06:54.436 --> 0:06:57.716 that like, if I can't make it better, if it's 0:06:57.756 --> 0:06:59.836 out of with it, not within my power to make 0:06:59.876 --> 0:07:01.956 it better, it being what, you know, whatever I'm in 0:07:01.996 --> 0:07:06.276 the midst of trying to face or solve like psychicalge 0:07:06.316 --> 0:07:08.356 break equation of like solve for X. 0:07:08.436 --> 0:07:09.796 It's like the X is. 0:07:09.756 --> 0:07:11.916 Ever changing and it is ever present, and it's just 0:07:11.916 --> 0:07:14.396 going to shape shift and always be something to me 0:07:14.556 --> 0:07:17.116 to solve. And if I can't make it better, at 0:07:17.236 --> 0:07:19.516 least I can learn how to not make it worse. 0:07:19.956 --> 0:07:24.876 And to not make it worse means to not spin 0:07:24.996 --> 0:07:30.236 my wheels in and concretized thinking or learning actually what 0:07:30.276 --> 0:07:33.316 the mechanics of passive aggressivity is and what it is 0:07:33.396 --> 0:07:36.276 to And that's another thing about to commit to the 0:07:36.276 --> 0:07:38.476 words that come out of your mouth. It's sort of 0:07:38.516 --> 0:07:41.756 bootcamp for committing to the steps you take towards in 0:07:41.796 --> 0:07:45.316 which directions and all of that, I guess is it's 0:07:45.556 --> 0:07:48.516 sort of been the quiet background of all the work 0:07:48.516 --> 0:07:52.396 I've done in my life and my mind. And as 0:07:52.676 --> 0:07:57.036 art imitates life, songs the songs these songs in particular 0:07:57.076 --> 0:08:01.556 have taken the form of like a roadmap or as 0:08:01.556 --> 0:08:05.356 we all self mythologize, you know, in our you don't. 0:08:05.396 --> 0:08:08.956 And as friends who work very different they have different jobs. 0:08:09.236 --> 0:08:13.996 Me friends who don't get a response from the world 0:08:14.036 --> 0:08:17.396 about what their work is. They say, Hey, don't kid yourself. 0:08:17.596 --> 0:08:21.116 I have the exact same self mythologizing. I invest in 0:08:21.956 --> 0:08:24.156 the lore of my life. What is you know, the 0:08:24.196 --> 0:08:26.636 background of my childhood and what it did to me 0:08:26.676 --> 0:08:29.836 and how it created the expectations that I then had 0:08:29.876 --> 0:08:30.476 to fight to. 0:08:30.876 --> 0:08:33.356 You know, It's just that in my case, I work 0:08:33.396 --> 0:08:36.796 it out in this way that can then be like a. 0:08:36.356 --> 0:08:39.356 Silly, petty puzzle piece that someone people can take it 0:08:39.396 --> 0:08:42.876 and then reform it to fit the puzzle that they're 0:08:42.876 --> 0:08:44.036 trying to solve. You know. 0:08:44.916 --> 0:08:49.156 Yeah, I'm curious, like, what were you like in high school? 0:08:50.756 --> 0:08:51.556 What were you into? 0:08:51.916 --> 0:08:51.996 Like? 0:08:51.996 --> 0:08:53.796 What kind of kid were you in high school? 0:08:54.436 --> 0:08:59.556 Well? I suppose I was probably kind of shy, but 0:08:59.836 --> 0:09:02.436 I also had started to go to all the punk 0:09:02.476 --> 0:09:07.036 shows in my town, and I had assumed the exterior 0:09:07.156 --> 0:09:09.636 of looking other than what I was on the inside. 0:09:09.636 --> 0:09:12.316 And I was sort of you know, I had piercings 0:09:12.356 --> 0:09:14.796 and shaved my head and it was manic. Panic was 0:09:15.316 --> 0:09:17.636 and I went to a pretty conservative high school, and 0:09:18.716 --> 0:09:21.796 maybe in the first couple of maybe the first month 0:09:21.916 --> 0:09:24.956 or two or something of my first year of high school, 0:09:25.156 --> 0:09:28.716 I was attacked by a group of guys, not like 0:09:29.276 --> 0:09:31.396 I mean here I am making excuses for them, like 0:09:31.436 --> 0:09:32.556 not violently, but come on. 0:09:32.676 --> 0:09:33.396 Like I was. 0:09:33.436 --> 0:09:36.036 Lifted up and slammed into a wall and handcuffed to 0:09:36.116 --> 0:09:40.476 a door. And then I've actually never told this story 0:09:40.756 --> 0:09:43.396 except to friends, but at this point I kind of 0:09:43.476 --> 0:09:47.356 understand how this was. All The adversity I was against 0:09:47.516 --> 0:09:50.036 was like ultimately helpful but very difficult. 0:09:50.156 --> 0:09:53.276 But the whole student body, you know, no one came 0:09:53.316 --> 0:09:55.436 to my aid. They created kind of like a. 0:09:55.396 --> 0:10:00.076 Giant school size semi circle around me, and you know, 0:10:00.236 --> 0:10:05.036 laughed and jeered and snickered, and then we're shoed into 0:10:05.036 --> 0:10:09.996 the cafeteria. And then the vice principal, I guess, after 0:10:10.036 --> 0:10:12.916 like half an hour or something, I got un handcuffed 0:10:13.476 --> 0:10:17.116 and was completely in shock. And then he he was like, 0:10:17.276 --> 0:10:18.996 who did this? And I said, I don't know. They 0:10:18.996 --> 0:10:21.956 came up from behind me, and he said, that's why 0:10:21.956 --> 0:10:24.476 we don't want kids like you here. And then he 0:10:24.996 --> 0:10:27.796 made me walk through the entire cafeteria in front of 0:10:27.876 --> 0:10:31.116 him while he walked behind me through a dead silent 0:10:31.636 --> 0:10:34.076 cafeteria TI so that I would tell him who had 0:10:34.076 --> 0:10:36.476 done this, and up and down the rows of the 0:10:36.516 --> 0:10:39.436 different seats while the only sound in the cafeteria was 0:10:39.436 --> 0:10:42.636 my own crying because I was, you know, choking in 0:10:42.636 --> 0:10:45.676 my like and I was being marched up and down 0:10:45.716 --> 0:10:48.276 these aisles. And then you know, in the silence, someone 0:10:48.356 --> 0:10:51.476 screamed freak, and then the and then twelve hundred people laughed. 0:10:51.756 --> 0:10:53.876 And I'd say that was the basis of my high school. 0:10:54.196 --> 0:10:59.236 And I started skipping, and I started going to like 0:10:59.316 --> 0:11:02.516 more and more shows and not really knowing where to 0:11:02.596 --> 0:11:04.916 go and what to be and what to do. And 0:11:05.036 --> 0:11:08.156 luckily these girls came up to me in the hallway 0:11:08.196 --> 0:11:10.836 and they were like, hey, you go to all those shows, right, 0:11:10.876 --> 0:11:12.716 but aren't you in the choir because I had found 0:11:12.756 --> 0:11:15.676 the choir at that school. And I was like, yeah, 0:11:15.676 --> 0:11:17.596 I'm in the choir and I go to all the shows. 0:11:17.636 --> 0:11:19.796 And they're like, well, we need a singer for our band. 0:11:19.796 --> 0:11:23.036 Do you wanna Do you want to join our band? 0:11:23.236 --> 0:11:26.876 And I was like, without that, I have no idea 0:11:26.916 --> 0:11:29.756 where I would have ended up. And then I transferred 0:11:29.796 --> 0:11:33.476 myself to an alternative school, and I didn't tell my 0:11:33.516 --> 0:11:35.716 mom didn't even know. You know, it was like maybe 0:11:35.956 --> 0:11:40.356 many months in the school contacted her and said, Leslie's expelled. 0:11:40.356 --> 0:11:42.796 She hasn't shown up, And my mom was like assumed 0:11:42.796 --> 0:11:44.636 I was just completely and I was like, no, no, no, 0:11:44.676 --> 0:11:46.596 I just didn't tell you because I knew you. 0:11:46.596 --> 0:11:48.996 Would probably make it even harder for me to just 0:11:49.036 --> 0:11:52.636 pull this off. So I just did it. And I 0:11:52.676 --> 0:11:53.076 was at this. 0:11:53.076 --> 0:11:55.036 Alternative school and I was in this band and like, 0:11:55.236 --> 0:11:57.356 you know, kind of turned that frown upside down sort 0:11:57.396 --> 0:12:00.596 of thing through the support of like genuine community. 0:12:01.516 --> 0:12:03.716 Did you tell your parents about the incident with the 0:12:03.796 --> 0:12:04.636 being handcuffed? 0:12:04.956 --> 0:12:05.916 Yes, my mom. 0:12:06.116 --> 0:12:08.396 I didn't live with my dad was across the country, 0:12:08.436 --> 0:12:11.636 but yeah, I told my mom. And I think that, 0:12:11.836 --> 0:12:15.156 you know, she had just watched her daughter change so 0:12:16.756 --> 0:12:20.996 radically that she might have just been so frustrated that 0:12:21.196 --> 0:12:23.916 like she you know, let's just say that in recent years, 0:12:24.196 --> 0:12:29.836 I've recontextualized hey ps. Nowadays, luckily there's language to meet 0:12:29.876 --> 0:12:32.916 this type of moment that at the time there was 0:12:32.996 --> 0:12:37.516 no language for. And I can say that I'm grateful 0:12:37.796 --> 0:12:41.476 that now, like, you know, the gradations of experience that 0:12:41.516 --> 0:12:45.476 any single word can carry within it is now at 0:12:45.596 --> 0:12:48.116 least available to be evoked when it needs to be 0:12:48.116 --> 0:12:51.756 because that principle. You know, like I can still get angry. 0:12:51.796 --> 0:12:53.956 I can still think I need to find out who 0:12:53.956 --> 0:12:55.916 that was. I need to write an open letter to 0:12:55.956 --> 0:12:57.356 that school letting them know how. 0:12:57.956 --> 0:12:59.836 You know, they might be like, ooh, will you come 0:12:59.916 --> 0:13:01.356 speak at our graduation. 0:13:01.476 --> 0:13:03.596 It's like, well, I might have something to say that 0:13:03.636 --> 0:13:07.676 you don't necessarily want to hear. But it was a 0:13:07.676 --> 0:13:10.116 different time, and not to excuse it, but I can 0:13:10.276 --> 0:13:12.156 say that like it just we all. 0:13:11.996 --> 0:13:13.836 Know it to be true. It was a different time. 0:13:14.156 --> 0:13:18.396 There was no vocabulary around this, and without that, I 0:13:18.516 --> 0:13:21.516 don't know where I would be. And so it's like 0:13:21.636 --> 0:13:25.916 anything that helps you grow or causes you to have 0:13:25.996 --> 0:13:31.076 to unavoidably find some interior basis for understanding, and you 0:13:31.436 --> 0:13:34.396 can cave into bitterness or you can, you know, And 0:13:34.396 --> 0:13:36.756 I'm sure I had many years of caving into bitterness. 0:13:36.796 --> 0:13:39.996 But something else rose from it that I'm grateful for. 0:13:40.596 --> 0:13:42.156 When did you start writing songs? 0:13:42.956 --> 0:13:47.396 Well, in that band, I suppose was the beginning of songwriting, 0:13:47.956 --> 0:13:50.676 even though we were doing it together. It was baby 0:13:50.756 --> 0:13:55.836 steps in lyrics, and you know, who's the narrator, is 0:13:55.876 --> 0:13:58.596 this first person, is this dream sequence, is this stream 0:13:58.636 --> 0:13:59.356 of consciousness? 0:13:59.476 --> 0:14:01.596 Or just you know, melody. 0:14:02.396 --> 0:14:06.156 But it was a hardcore band, so ultimately our main 0:14:06.876 --> 0:14:09.636 asset was volume and. 0:14:09.556 --> 0:14:11.676 Yeah, and melody came a lot later. 0:14:11.796 --> 0:14:14.356 I mean there was melody, I suppose at that time, 0:14:14.396 --> 0:14:17.596 but it was mostly I didn't play guitar. I just 0:14:17.796 --> 0:14:22.436 was the front person and I and volume was you know, 0:14:22.556 --> 0:14:26.116 kind of where what I leaned on. And Yeah, so 0:14:26.316 --> 0:14:28.636 many years later, after I blew my voice out on 0:14:28.756 --> 0:14:32.276 tour with that band, like just from screaming, I ended 0:14:32.356 --> 0:14:36.316 up kind of under doctor's orders to you know, stay silent. 0:14:36.396 --> 0:14:39.356 I had nodes. I had the whole that period of 0:14:39.356 --> 0:14:41.316 regenerating and I learned. 0:14:41.436 --> 0:14:43.676 I kind of taught myself to begin to play guitar 0:14:43.756 --> 0:14:46.236 at that time when I when I was in this 0:14:46.316 --> 0:14:48.756 sort of imposed silence and I'd had to quit the band. 0:14:48.836 --> 0:14:52.116 I'd moved to Toronto. I you know, I was living 0:14:52.156 --> 0:14:55.876 in my dad's basement and just like kind of dealing 0:14:55.916 --> 0:15:00.276 with my first dose of isolation, and what I found 0:15:00.276 --> 0:15:02.636 there was you know, melody essentially. 0:15:03.276 --> 0:15:05.476 Do you remember some of the first songs you wrote 0:15:05.516 --> 0:15:06.796 once you started playing guitar. 0:15:07.596 --> 0:15:11.196 Yeah, I also had this thing called a melodica, which 0:15:11.236 --> 0:15:14.476 is kind of like a wooden boxed miniature xylophone that 0:15:14.716 --> 0:15:16.996 I was really and also had a four track. My 0:15:17.076 --> 0:15:19.676 dad had given me a cassette four track a task 0:15:19.716 --> 0:15:24.436 am and I had started with layers and singing harmonies 0:15:24.516 --> 0:15:27.916 and making these long overtones with the metallophone, and I 0:15:28.116 --> 0:15:32.396 kind of maybe something like sound sculptures using the radio, 0:15:32.676 --> 0:15:36.556 using interference and just kind of playing with the form, 0:15:37.076 --> 0:15:40.556 and like maybe the first songs I wrote the kind 0:15:40.596 --> 0:15:45.076 of clunky first, you know, broad strokes attempts were you know, 0:15:45.116 --> 0:15:46.916 it's like now I listened to them and it's like 0:15:46.996 --> 0:15:49.556 the touching yearbook photo kind of thing. 0:15:49.436 --> 0:15:51.996 Where do you identify with any of the lyrics? 0:15:52.036 --> 0:15:54.636 Still, maybe there was a there was a kind of 0:15:54.636 --> 0:15:58.916 a sensibility and interest in metaphor already. Was there a 0:15:59.036 --> 0:16:02.356 kind of wordplay you know, I can hear now the 0:16:02.436 --> 0:16:07.556 kind of grandfathered in sort of tendencies to like how 0:16:07.596 --> 0:16:12.156 to speak around a subject rather than directly to it. Yeah, 0:16:12.516 --> 0:16:16.876 I guess I wouldn't like sit and probably cover any 0:16:16.876 --> 0:16:19.556 of I would say. And see I'm even calling it covering, 0:16:19.916 --> 0:16:21.476 like as if it's not my own. 0:16:22.516 --> 0:16:26.956 That's so interesting a former self, Yeah exactly. 0:16:27.596 --> 0:16:30.356 Yeah, probably wouldn't cover her songs, but I can, but 0:16:30.436 --> 0:16:33.156 I can appreciate that there's some DNA there. 0:16:33.996 --> 0:16:35.956 We're going to take a quick break and then come 0:16:35.996 --> 0:16:43.516 back with more from Leo Rose and Feist. We're back 0:16:43.556 --> 0:16:45.716 with Leo Rose and Feist. 0:16:46.396 --> 0:16:48.636 What do you think that you do as a songwriter 0:16:48.876 --> 0:16:53.876 as a performer, What do you think you do especially 0:16:53.956 --> 0:16:56.036 well or what are you the best at? 0:16:56.876 --> 0:17:00.036 That's a nice question. I don't know that I can 0:17:00.076 --> 0:17:03.276 really characterize it in words. It's a there's like a 0:17:03.316 --> 0:17:07.476 location in me that is interested in all sorts of 0:17:07.556 --> 0:17:11.356 variables and how they how they cross over, and maybe 0:17:11.356 --> 0:17:14.556 I on this record in particular, I was interested in 0:17:15.116 --> 0:17:18.436 kind of unseating some of my tendencies and seeing what. 0:17:18.476 --> 0:17:20.076 Might might be behind them. 0:17:20.356 --> 0:17:23.396 And there's, maybe for the first time in my life, 0:17:23.516 --> 0:17:26.636 an awareness that there's a kind of a rigor and 0:17:26.676 --> 0:17:31.036 a craft and an interest in craft that I wouldn't 0:17:31.076 --> 0:17:33.956 have known with my frontal lobe previously, I wouldn't have 0:17:33.996 --> 0:17:35.876 really thought that's what I'm doing. 0:17:36.036 --> 0:17:38.636 But I'm kind of I continue to learn from what 0:17:38.716 --> 0:17:39.316 came before. 0:17:39.516 --> 0:17:43.676 Like everything I've done previously is sort of composted into 0:17:43.916 --> 0:17:46.516 the new body of work, and I can say to 0:17:46.596 --> 0:17:49.156 people I'm working with, like, this feels a little bit 0:17:49.236 --> 0:17:53.036 like mush of Boom's great granddaughter or something like there's 0:17:53.076 --> 0:17:56.676 some there's some DNA. There's something in here that is 0:17:57.476 --> 0:18:02.756 or like if Century and Sea Lion had had a 0:18:02.796 --> 0:18:06.316 love child, that might be you know, bort of Trouble 0:18:06.436 --> 0:18:10.036 or something like that. Or but yeah, there's a lineage 0:18:10.076 --> 0:18:15.556 maybe in what I've made so far that that makes 0:18:15.596 --> 0:18:20.996 me curious about what will come next or how the 0:18:21.116 --> 0:18:23.316 perspective will continue to be interesting. 0:18:24.556 --> 0:18:30.796 Do you feel like the character that you've created or 0:18:30.916 --> 0:18:32.676 do you feel like there even is a character that 0:18:32.716 --> 0:18:36.236 you've created through your work? And if so, is that 0:18:36.316 --> 0:18:40.756 person you or is it similar to you? Or does 0:18:40.796 --> 0:18:41.516 that make sense? 0:18:41.716 --> 0:18:44.956 It does? It does? It makes more sense now than ever. 0:18:45.836 --> 0:18:49.916 I feel like an alignment has occurred where I now 0:18:50.116 --> 0:18:53.796 know I owe nothing to the avatar. You know, the 0:18:53.916 --> 0:18:57.916 thing that is refracted by this particular light that's shined 0:18:57.956 --> 0:19:00.956 on this thing I do, that society that our society 0:19:02.196 --> 0:19:05.796 shines this particular timbre of light is quality of light 0:19:06.476 --> 0:19:08.916 on what I do, and it refracts out beyond me, 0:19:08.996 --> 0:19:12.036 and in some cases maybe leans a little bit too 0:19:12.116 --> 0:19:14.636 much importance on it in a way that is on 0:19:14.756 --> 0:19:19.156 the surface. I've learned that my investment in this very 0:19:19.196 --> 0:19:23.516 private conversation with myself, yeah, and my voice being like 0:19:23.596 --> 0:19:27.316 literally and then part of my anatomy that over many 0:19:27.436 --> 0:19:30.036 years I learned to listen to from the inside rather 0:19:30.076 --> 0:19:31.076 than from the outside. 0:19:31.596 --> 0:19:33.996 And so it's kind. 0:19:33.796 --> 0:19:36.756 Of like I've never thought about this before, but imagine 0:19:36.796 --> 0:19:39.716 like a you know, like how a door knob reaches 0:19:39.756 --> 0:19:42.476 through a door, and on one side you can turn 0:19:42.516 --> 0:19:43.756 it to go in, and on the other side you 0:19:43.756 --> 0:19:46.116 can turn it to go out, and those are two 0:19:46.236 --> 0:19:49.196 different gestures, but there is the same portal. It's the 0:19:49.236 --> 0:19:53.516 same desire to move through. And so my voice or 0:19:53.516 --> 0:19:56.596 the way I've chosen to try to formulate not this 0:19:56.796 --> 0:19:59.956 not only the sound or the expression of it, but 0:20:00.036 --> 0:20:04.436 the words that it's encants I now acknowledge and I 0:20:04.516 --> 0:20:09.476 feel comfortable in knowing that that part is it's as 0:20:09.556 --> 0:20:12.276 much me as it is what it becomes in someone 0:20:12.276 --> 0:20:14.396 else's listening, you know. 0:20:14.676 --> 0:20:15.756 So it's and. 0:20:15.596 --> 0:20:20.076 That's the part that I feel doesn't get refracted and 0:20:20.356 --> 0:20:22.836 like it's not like a house of mirrors where that 0:20:22.876 --> 0:20:26.396 can't be changed by the perception of it, because if 0:20:26.436 --> 0:20:29.356 my privacy goes into someone else's privacy, there it's like 0:20:29.356 --> 0:20:31.556 a you know, it's like hermetically sealed. 0:20:31.596 --> 0:20:34.796 It's safe. Yeah, it's kind of there is a safety 0:20:34.836 --> 0:20:35.116 to it. 0:20:35.156 --> 0:20:39.756 And I feel as I lean deeper into myself, into 0:20:39.796 --> 0:20:44.396 the discomfort of my like continual daily misunderstanding of myself 0:20:44.676 --> 0:20:48.276 and just trying to align to some personal responsibility, that's 0:20:48.356 --> 0:20:51.436 kind of a north star that is looking for different 0:20:51.516 --> 0:20:54.636 these dimensions. I'm hoping to find out how to be 0:20:54.676 --> 0:20:59.436 fed by them because I'm increasingly depleted and I'm realizing 0:20:59.516 --> 0:21:03.756 my like psychic organism cannot sustain often how much I'm 0:21:03.876 --> 0:21:07.596 attempting to be and do into how many people into 0:21:07.836 --> 0:21:10.516 It's like I'm never quite so for X. It's just 0:21:10.556 --> 0:21:14.556 like every single day I'm like, I can't find X. 0:21:14.596 --> 0:21:17.516 I can't solve for X. And yet then these songs 0:21:17.516 --> 0:21:20.396 weirdly are a place where I think I can because 0:21:20.436 --> 0:21:23.156 I can pause time and I can give myself just 0:21:23.196 --> 0:21:26.676 like a little a little navigation somehow. 0:21:27.876 --> 0:21:29.956 Is there anything on the album that you feel like 0:21:29.996 --> 0:21:33.596 you did solve, Like any feelings that you either came 0:21:33.636 --> 0:21:36.796 to terms with or you were able to articulate. 0:21:37.916 --> 0:21:40.596 There was sort of like a secondary you know, because 0:21:40.996 --> 0:21:45.556 I somehow wrote these songs through like this really difficult time, 0:21:46.076 --> 0:21:49.196 and I think I managed in that time to kind 0:21:49.196 --> 0:21:55.836 of make myself evoke or lean into also the responsibility 0:21:55.876 --> 0:21:59.796 to find the joy or to you know, like be 0:21:59.876 --> 0:22:01.956 a little bit of a solar panel and face the 0:22:02.036 --> 0:22:04.876 light and be energized by these things that I'm learning 0:22:05.676 --> 0:22:09.396 or the relationships that you know, just help me keep 0:22:09.476 --> 0:22:11.156 the horizon insight and not get. 0:22:10.956 --> 0:22:12.236 Completely lost, you know. 0:22:12.996 --> 0:22:16.356 Yeah, And so weirdly, you know, you'd think songs are 0:22:16.396 --> 0:22:18.596 you're saying something out loud as if you know something. 0:22:18.996 --> 0:22:20.036