1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go Pack twelve fans. This one's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Twelve Apostles Apostles. Oklahoma and Texas 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: are leaving the Big twelve to the SEC. It's supposed 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: to be a done deal as early as next week. 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: But when will it actually happen and what all things 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: matter in it? And how does this impact the Pack twelve? 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Should the Pack twelve be expanding or not? Nick Rolovich, 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: head coach at Washington State, won't be a Pack twelve 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: media day because he refuses to get vaccinated. We'll talk 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: about that. Could that cost him his job? His running 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: back Max Borgi said that all of his name, image 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: and likeness money from Cameo will be going to its 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: pensive line and a recruiting update from across the conference. 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Some of them are going good, some of them are 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: going bad. And you guys can send in your questions 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: that would you want us to ask the coaches for 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: PAC twelve media Day. I'm George Rice Stir, He's Ralph 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: Ampston and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. Ralph has 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: been a while, but we gotta ramp things back up 21 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: on a weekly basis because football season is coming hard 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: and fast, and um, yesterday we got the news about 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Texas going to the Pack twelve, I'm sorry, 24 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: going to the back twelve, leaving the Big twelve and 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: going to the SEC. And I actually had the privilege 26 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: of interviewing the man who broke the story. So yesterday 27 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: on my show on Mad Dog Sports Radio series text 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: M channel eight two, uh, interview Brent Brent Zornaman, who 29 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: is who is a Texas A and M beat writer 30 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: and the SEC beat writer. He broke the story. And 31 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: I'll actually, actually, you know what, rop I'm gonna put 32 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: it on this episode because I think that it was 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: worthwhile for for people to hear. So here is that 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: interview right now. Brent, thanks for coming on the show. 35 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: You've got Georgia appreciate you having me on. We're we 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: like a car pool in these SEC road trips. So 37 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: we're out on Interstate twenty right now, cutting through the darkness. Man, 38 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: this is craziness. That all right? So you broke the 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: story that they were flirting with the with the SEC. 40 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: But for Texas this isn't new. They're always flirting with 41 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: with with somebody and looking to bigger, better deal. But 42 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: how did Oklahoma get involved in this? Yeah? This was Yeah, 43 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: this was definitely more than a flirtation. This had kind 44 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: of been going on behind the scenes for for much 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: of this summer, and essentially it was if you want 46 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: to say, I would normally say two sides, but this 47 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: is three sides. Texas, Oklahoma in the SEC. They all 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: had mutual interest with the SEC trying to be the 49 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: first of that sixteen team super conference and taken everything 50 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: to account that's going on right now in college football, 51 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: n I L and all those things. So Texas in 52 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: Oklahoma if you wanted to, you know, add a couple 53 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: of traditional football powers. I know Texas hasn't been there 54 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: over the past decade. Oklahoma certainly has, but Texas has 55 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of that pedigree and obviously the money, those would 56 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: be two natural choices to add. And Texas and Oklahoma 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: have you know, they're just haven't been happy in the 58 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Big Twelve. They've been They've been looking around, and suddenly 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: the SEC, with everything as I mentioned going on in 60 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: college football, I think they all can kind of considered 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: this uh age of transformation, So why not why not 62 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: become the first super conference, and why not do it 63 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: with the Consnation? So why Here's the part that that 64 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: baffles me is that is that why wasn't Oklahoma happy 65 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve? They are, They've wanted every single 66 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: year they've gone to the playoff, Like, why would you 67 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: want to switch conferences? And for Texas you can't even 68 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: win the Big Twelve? So how are you supposed I'm confused? Yeah, uh, Oklahoma. 69 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: I think a big part of it has to do 70 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: with the the announcement that college football Playoffs is expanding 71 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: to a dozen teams. Oklahoma is thinking more in terms 72 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: of long term stability, looking decades ahead, not just years ahead. 73 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: And obviously they've had success, but they want to be 74 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: a part of a league that's that's more stable, that 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: doesn't always seem like it might be at any point 76 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: breaking apart. Texas has the deep pockets and and obviously 77 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: would would like to be able to say they think 78 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: that they're recruiting will increase immediately, just like it has 79 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: for Texas A and M to be able to say 80 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: they're an SEC team in the state of Texas, which 81 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: has what five of the nation's thirteen largest cities, So 82 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: that's a part of it too. So yeah, from Oklahoma's standpoint, 83 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: obviously they've had success in the Big Twelve football wise, 84 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: but they're thinking more bigger picture in terms of saying 85 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: that they want to be a part of the Super 86 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: Conference and still with the playoffs at twelve teams instead 87 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: of four, still having a pretty good chance to make 88 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs even if they are competing in the SEC. Yeah, 89 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: and then that begs the question about Texas because I 90 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: remember back in two thousand and ten when these schools 91 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: plus a couple others were considering moving out to the 92 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Pack twelve, and then that's when the Texas got the 93 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: Longhorn Network. And I'm wondering, how does the Longhorn Network 94 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: lay into the SEC's future, because I can't imagine that 95 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: the Alabama's and the Georgia's and the Florida's of the 96 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: world would be willing to let Texas make more revenue. Okay, 97 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: I don't have any real insight onto this one, but 98 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: I will say from the common sense perspective and from 99 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of what I've heard that you know, 100 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: the Longhorn Network has been essentially a boondoggle. I think 101 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: that's a word for for Texas and for ESPN, and 102 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: so this would be a way for as ESPN is 103 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: also a player in this move, for Texas and ESPN 104 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: to kind of blend to the Longhorn Network into the 105 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: SEC networks. And essentially they have everything in place in 106 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Austin but uh, you know, a lot of great equipment there. 107 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: But it wouldn't necessarily be the Longhorn Network anymore, but 108 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: it would be a big player, you know, as far 109 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: as the SEC network. So I also think this is 110 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: a way for them to have the net Longhorn Network 111 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: quietly go away in that situation. That's just uh, that's 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: just my speculation. Really. I haven't you know, heard, I've 113 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: heard a little bit on that front. But I do 114 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: think that you would not have the Longhorn Network as 115 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: a standalone entity anymore once Texas to doing the SEC. Yeah, 116 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: and okay, so now let's get to the other side 117 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: of it, which and you guys, we are on with 118 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: Brent Zerneman, Texas A and M and SEC beat writer 119 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: for the Houston Chronicle, who broke the story about Texas 120 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma reaching out to the SEC. So now let's 121 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: get on the other side. Because the SEC needs eleven 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: of its fourteen teams to okay this, and the team 123 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: that you are the beat writer for Texas A and 124 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: M clearly doesn't want this to happen. Is there any 125 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: way that they can recruit three other schools to say no? 126 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: The impression I'm getting early on you thought, well, maybe 127 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: you know need jerk reaction, especially if they didn't you know, 128 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: some of these other programs weren't aware of it. But 129 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I do think from the perspective of the SEC as 130 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: a whole, saying hey, this is the way to really 131 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: strengthen the conference and get to the six team teams 132 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: and be that first super conference. My thought is at 133 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: some point along the way, Texas A and M is 134 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: just going to be a lone ranger. And then when 135 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: they realize that and there's not just a whole lot 136 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: the Aanches can do about it, that they two will 137 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: kind of go along with the deal so they don't 138 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of look like the big cry baby in the room. 139 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: I guess there's a way to put it, but uh, yes, 140 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: I I don't think. I don't think you're gonna be 141 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: able to find if you're A and M, three other 142 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: schools to say hey, let's let's turn this down, you know, 143 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: because then you would be going against the conference's wishes 144 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and so like, there's so much there's 145 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: so many moving parts to this, and we'll come back 146 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: to Texas and Oklahoma just a second. But okay, there's 147 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: a Texas A and M who isn't going to be 148 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: a fan of this because they ran away from the 149 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: from the Big Twelve to get to the SEC to 150 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: be above Texas. But now what happens to the other 151 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: eight schools? Um if Texas and Oklahoma leave, Yeah, I 152 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: think that you're going to see the likes of Oklahoma 153 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: State and Baylor, you know, find it, find bigger conferences 154 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: to become a part of, because if you're at eight 155 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: teams in the Big Twelve, it would be really hard 156 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: to that point at programs home em program in semi 157 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: prominent programs to come one of the see that happening 158 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: with what's on Texas exiting. So I think you would 159 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: see you know, say Baylor going to the a SEC 160 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: or something like that. That's when I heard today for instance. 161 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it would be a disbanding or 162 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: it would just become a very minor conference at that point, 163 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: with maybe a couple of the more prominent schools left. 164 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,359 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Baylor, just want a men's basketball 165 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: mess title and here very shortly they could be in 166 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: search of a conference to call home. Yeah. Has there 167 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 1: been any conversation with the PAC twelve or even the 168 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Big Ten? Whereas, like I know, the SEC has looked 169 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: at as the quote unquote super conference, but the Big 170 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: Ten makes more more money and has actually the more 171 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: passionate UH fan fan bases, Like if you look at 172 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: engagement on social media, the the the TV numbers the 173 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: Big Ten in particularly Ohio state does. Yeah, So have 174 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: have they been looking at the Big Ten? Was this 175 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: even a question for Oklahoma and Texas as well? No, 176 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: I think it was always about the SEC, And geographically, 177 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: it just doesn't really make a lot of sense for 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: a program like Texas, you know, way way down down 179 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: south in the middle of the nation too, to head 180 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: up to the Big Ten when essentially you know you're 181 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: flying over the Midwest to get to those destinations, whereas 182 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: with the SEC, you're simply crossing a river to the right, 183 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: which is the Sabine River going into Louisiana. So from 184 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: that sense, you know, geographically, and really I think they 185 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: just kind of consider those better road trips for their 186 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: fans and things like that as well during the fall 187 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: and winter. So yeah, it was it was always about 188 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: the SEC and not so much the Big Ten. I 189 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: don't I don't see, for instance, like if this deal 190 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: with the SEC fell through, I wouldn't see the Big 191 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: Ten and say a fallback for Oklahoma and Texas, although 192 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: it would make more sense for Oklahoma to go to 193 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: the Big Ten as opposed to Texas. Yeah, and there 194 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: was a meeting today of the of the c e 195 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: O s essentially of the of the schools and of 196 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: the ten schools in the in the Big Tent. I'm 197 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: sorry to Big twelve, but Oklahoma and Texas didn't show up. 198 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: What is that very telling or and what was what 199 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: went on in this meeting? Yeah, it is telling because 200 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: this is pretty far down the tracks. And I kind 201 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: of got the impression when I broke the story that 202 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,119 Speaker 1: they some of the officials involved at Texas in Oklahoma 203 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: were surprised that it stayed under wraps this long, if 204 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: that makes sense. So because they are they have pretty 205 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: far along in the in the negotiations at this point. 206 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: So the idea of the Big twelve trying to kind 207 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: of throw things together and include them. They're already to 208 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: that point where they're saying they don't necessarily need to 209 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: be a part of that, and and uh in trying 210 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: to move forward and enjoin the SEC. My insider who 211 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: who you know? Of course, I broke the story through 212 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: they they said, hey, you could expect an announcement. This 213 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: was yesterday morning. You can expect an official announcement within 214 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: two or three weeks. So that insider thought it might happen, 215 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: not not an announcement that it's you know, official and 216 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: here's the date, but that they are going to make 217 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: the move, and you know, TV contracts are through and 218 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: all those things. But I could see where they would 219 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: expedite it because I saw this George ten years ago. 220 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I covered A and M exiting the Big Twelve for 221 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: the SEC, and they were gonna stick around for a 222 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: couple of years in the Big twelve, but it was 223 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: just really awkward. So everyone moved that forward and within 224 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: a year they were joining the SEC and part of 225 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: that conference. Yeah, so that that that leads me to 226 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: the next thing. Is okay, So let's say that they 227 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: announced tomorrow that they're leaving when would they be leaving, because, 228 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: like you said, their TV contracts, which they're obligated to 229 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: uh through. Is there any breaking those? Like how like 230 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: what does the timeline look like? And why would you 231 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: if it is, why would you do it right now? Yeah, 232 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: because everything is negotiable, you know, they say it's through, 233 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: And certainly I would think that the Big twelve, the 234 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: remaining members, would want to stretch this out as long 235 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: as possible as they try to figure out what they're 236 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: gonna do next. But again, I saw it a decade ago. 237 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: You know, A and M was tied in with some things, 238 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: and obviously it makes it different when it's two programs 239 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: like this as opposed to one that are tied together, 240 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: because then Missouri joined A and M. But that was 241 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: that was a different type of deal. So yeah, it's 242 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: you know, I I could see the process being sped up. 243 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: And again, even though we're talking about TV rights in 244 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: five and all those things, I could see they don't 245 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: they don't want to be lame ducks and you know, 246 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: you're going on the road to these places where no 247 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: one wants you around. I mean I saw it with 248 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: A and M. I saw it firsthand that year they 249 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: played football in two thousand and eleven with the announcement 250 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: that they were already going to leave the Big twelve 251 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: in sec that was a weird, you know, just different 252 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: kind of awkward situation all around. So I could see 253 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: where they shoved this up and try to get it. Uh. 254 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: I even heard some speculation today that they might be 255 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: as soon as next year, which is what happened with 256 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: Texas A and M. It was supposed to be two 257 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: or three years, it happened in one year. This seems 258 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: like it'd be a little more difficult process, but you know, 259 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: pay possibly within two years. Then wow? So can the 260 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: can the Big twelve schools from from what you've heard, 261 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: do anything to stop them from doing this? Because because 262 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: I saw that there there were politicians who were going 263 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: to try to do stuff to block it. And I mean, 264 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: is this going to turn into a political thing now 265 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,119 Speaker 1: that you know? It's funny because I'm a realignment realignment 266 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: veteran based on what I covered a decade ago, and 267 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: I saw all this play out back then. Baylor was 268 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: doing everything it could to try and stop Texas A 269 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: and M from leaving the Big twelves because they felt 270 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: like the Big twelve wouldn't disband, and Baylor would be 271 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: looking around for a conference, threatened litigation, got politicians involved, 272 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: but in the end, none of it really really mattered. 273 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: It certainly didn't stop A and M. And A and 274 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: M right now is trying to you know, of course, 275 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: pull out all the stops in the Big twelve, maybe 276 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna I mean, I I just I think from their perspective, 277 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: they realized there's probably not just a whole lot they 278 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: can do. But I will say that A and M 279 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: is rallying the troops, so to speak, and getting politicians 280 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: involved and making phone calls and doing all those things. 281 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: But in the end, how much is that going to 282 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: help them if they if they are the lone ranger 283 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: in this um, if they do leave and go to 284 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: the SEC, there would obviously be sixteen teams. Have you 285 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: heard any talk about how that would would would look. 286 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: Would it be a realignment of the conferences or would 287 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: it be in terms of like an East and a West, 288 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: or would they break it down into divisions like they 289 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: do in the NFL with four team divisions or pods 290 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: like I've seen. I've seen both scenarios. The one I 291 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: would prefer is Alabama Alabama, Alabama and Auburn go east, 292 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: and then you add Texas and Oklahoma from the west, 293 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, which would then be your further furthermost westernmost outpost. Uh. 294 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: But I could also see where they do the pods 295 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: where like you mentioned, with the four teams four pods 296 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: and do it that way. So, I mean, personally, my 297 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: preference would be those two divisions of eight teams, but 298 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: I think that's something that they haven't quite you know, 299 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: whittled down at this point or are settled on with 300 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: the idea that first they're going to add add the 301 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: two programs and then go from there. But there are 302 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: several scenarios that you could do in that situation. The 303 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: one that makes most sense to me Alabama and Auburn 304 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: go east. Yeah. The the conference that I I mean, 305 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm a huge college football fan, huge college football fan, 306 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: but the conference that I cheer cheer fur the most 307 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: are my my Oregon Ducks in the Pacts. Well, so, 308 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: how do you think that that's how do you think 309 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: that this ultimately impacts the Pact twelve? And are there 310 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: any teams that may move to that conference? Yeah, It's 311 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those situations. I think the scramble 312 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: is gonna be on. So you're gonna have one sixteen 313 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: team super conference here, maybe within just a few weeks. 314 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: And if the announcement, you know, of moving forward, so 315 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: then the PACTUAL, the Big ten, the a SEC, you know, 316 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: they're all going to be scrambling to get to that 317 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: six team number. And then suddenly you have what's been 318 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: talked about now for for not just years, maybe even decades, 319 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: is the uh four sixteen team super conferences. They kind 320 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: of dominate things at that point with what let me 321 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: do the master or I said that sixty four teams, right, 322 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: sixty four program. I think that's what you're gonna do 323 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: because those others don't want to be left behind. And 324 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: once again the SEC is kind of on the on 325 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: the forefront of of making some changes here. Well. And 326 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: the final final question for you brand is okay, so 327 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: you you you mentioned the four sixteen teams to make 328 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: a sixty four like power but do you think that 329 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: there's any Is this the first step to a a 330 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: like an autonomy sixty four conference to where it's all 331 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: the conferences are just well, all the big boys, the 332 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: power fives, if you will, the sixty four teams are 333 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: just saying, all right, look, we are going to align 334 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: and then maybe we'll let Notre Dame and b Y 335 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: you join in as well. Yeah, and then then you 336 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: talk about the further steps are breaking away from the 337 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: incidable A and and kind of being on their own 338 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: at that point, because certainly it seems like that's the 339 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: way things are headed in that direction. But I don't 340 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that being a rapid type deal like 341 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: I do, all of this shaking out within the next 342 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: few years in terms of these four conferences getting to 343 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: the sixteen teams each. But certainly you could see it 344 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: headed in that direction where suddenly, you know, down the 345 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: road six seven, eight years from now that uh that 346 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: they're that they're no longer affiliated with the n C 347 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: Double A, which seems wild, but certainly that's the direction 348 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: also seems to be doing as well. So Ralph, he 349 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: told us essentially that Oklahoma and Texas that they've been 350 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: plotting this for at least six months. We've heard up 351 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to a year. And one of the things that like 352 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: that I asked him. I was like, yo, like, why 353 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: do they want to do this? I, Oh, Oklahoma is 354 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: getting to the playoffs every year. Texas can't win the 355 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: Big Twelve anyway, so why would you go to the SEC? What? What? 356 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: What was your reaction when you first heard the news. 357 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: I feel the same way. It made me wonder what 358 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: was going on within the within the Big Twelve, UM 359 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: that they're so worried about, especially when you're in a 360 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: twelve team situation. Uh, and you know that if you 361 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: you even have a solid year, that you're gonna be um, 362 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: probably getting two teams into the conversation, if not the 363 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: actual playoff every single year. UM. It was just very 364 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: interesting to me that it really had to feel like 365 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: something that I was definitely not privy too, because you know, 366 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: it's not like Texas has had a lot of success recently. 367 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: In Oklahoma has had a ton of success, and so 368 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: for the two of them to do something in conjunction 369 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: which could potentially put University of Texas is cash cow 370 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: at risk in the Longhorn network. UM, I was just confused. 371 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: It's not something that I would have even thought of, 372 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: uh to do. But we know that it's not the 373 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: last time that the University of Texas is kind of 374 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: floated things out there. So then my other reaction was 375 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's another leverage play, but now we're hearing that 376 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: it's most likely closer to a done deal than a 377 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: leverage play. Yeah, And that's the thing that's crazy about 378 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: it is that is that it's not a average play. 379 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: And so when I asked about the long hard Horn 380 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Network and other people I've talked to, they were all like, well, 381 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: the the Longhorn Network is through ESPN, the SEC network 382 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: is through ESPM. So it seems logical that when you're 383 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: when you have to negotiate with yourself, that it will 384 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: be a lot easier to find a resolution that makes 385 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: everybody financially whole. Because I just couldn't see Oklahoma, I'm sorry, Alabama, Georgia, 386 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: Florida being willing to let Texas make more money than 387 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: everybody else the same way that the Big Twelve was. 388 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: And now the Big Twelve was caught off guard, off 389 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: guard by all of this, like this was going on Texas, 390 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: A and M wasn't even in the know. They were held, 391 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, in in the dark. And I think that 392 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: this is like when you look at Texas, Texas is 393 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: for the streets, like they like like they belong to 394 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: the streets because they're always looking to bigger, better deal 395 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: somebody always and this is what they're doing here in 396 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: this situation. They're trying to bigger, better deal the rest 397 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: of the Big twelve, and they're leaving everybody else out 398 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: to die, essentially because they are the bell cows, They're 399 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: the ones who started the the they're the founding members 400 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: of the Big twelve, and now they're leaving everybody else 401 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: out to to die. And I guess you do only 402 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: have to look out for for you, but this feels 403 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: like a lot of broken trust I suppose. I mean, 404 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: what what do you owe your conference? Really? I think 405 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: it's probably more frustrating for several members of the PAC 406 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: twelve who are sick of the PAC twelve than anything else, 407 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: like that realization like oh, you could just leave. Why 408 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: the hell have we not just left? You know? And 409 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: I so I think that's the thing leaving, leaving go 410 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: where though? Right? I I understand. And and that was 411 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: a thing that's being brought up by people as we 412 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: float the uh names of schools that we wouldn't mind 413 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: getting absorbed into the Pack twelve is the understanding that 414 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: the pie remains the size of the pie. Therefore, the 415 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: slices of the pie would probably decrease. And if you're 416 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: already at a net disadvantage over other conferences, why would 417 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: you take a smaller share to absorb other teams? And 418 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: that is an interesting question, is why the SEC would 419 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: allow for two teams UH to eat into what they're 420 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: already doing, unless they just think it's gonna be good 421 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: here for a really long time and we got plenty 422 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: to spare. Yeah, it was all right, So with them 423 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: going over to the SEC's So here's the here's the thing. 424 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: They have a media deal that goes through and essentially 425 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: if they left now, they would have to pay a 426 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million, well seventies like seventy six million 427 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: dollars each if they left now. And but the but 428 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: the the issue with that is they've signed their their 429 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: rights over, so even if they leave, technically their money 430 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: from the SEC would be due to the Big twelve. 431 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: But if you remember when Texas A and M left, 432 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: they left in kind of a similar situation. They announced 433 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: it was gonna be years down the road, but it 434 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: created such an untenable situation that they just found a 435 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: a resolution and let them leave in one year instead 436 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: of to three years down the road. And that's what 437 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma and Texas are doing, right, is that 438 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: if they leave the Big twelve and they say we're we're, we're, 439 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: We're leaving in a couple of years, right once the 440 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: media deals are up, then everybody else is gonna be 441 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: looking for their next move. So then the conference is 442 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: actually going to disband because adding s MU, Houston, B 443 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: y U, and Cincinnati, like people were talking about, that's 444 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: not a power play to keep you part of the 445 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: autonomy five. Why what do you need? No, I'm I'm 446 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm not questioning you. I'm asking the 447 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: question because UM, Okay, okay, YU, B B y U, 448 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: I think has enough of a following stadium size, UM 449 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: history to be included in something like that. Would they 450 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: do it? I don't have any idea UM Houston, same deal, 451 00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: UH enrollment stadium size like UM pet agree as far 452 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: as what they've been able to accomplish amongst several different 453 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: coaches who have used it as a stepping stone, UM, 454 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: I would say that Boise State is up there, UH 455 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: and Cincinnati one day part of the Big East. They 456 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: were a power five team for a long time, were 457 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: they not? I seem to remember them being part of 458 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: the Big East. So why couldn't you assemble a few 459 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: schools like that, um, you know, forget smu uh. Why 460 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: couldn't you assemble a few schools like that and say, hey, um, 461 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: this is uh, this is our new product and we're 462 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: gonna move forward with it. Or do the other thing 463 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: which has been rumored unsubstantially for the past eight to 464 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: ten years and make a pass it Arizona and Arizona 465 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: State to join you to replace Oklahoma, um in Texas. Okay, Okay, 466 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: you you always have to think about this in terms 467 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: of money, right, and and the TV and the TV 468 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: rights and the TV revenue. So with okay, So how 469 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: would you describe Arizona's fan base from a from a 470 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: one to Ohio State being a tent um and a 471 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: one would be who would you give a one to? 472 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: Uh Stanford ship shot fired within the conference? Here we 473 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: go three, I guess. Okay, where would you rank Arizona States? 474 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: Probably like a six and but both had the potential 475 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: to probably jump to to three. Okay, because in Arizona State, 476 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: if you know that if Arizona State had a Rose 477 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: Bowl run, the fact that they put out, like thirty 478 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: graduates a year would unleash some sort of bandwagon ary 479 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: that we've never seen before in the history of college football. Okay, allegedly, right, 480 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: but but but where it stands right now, if you 481 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: were a me to a company and you were looking 482 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: at the remnants of the Big twelve, right, if you're 483 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: looking at what's what's left, and I told you that 484 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: you have that, Texas and Oklahoma are gone. So now 485 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: you're left with Kansas, Baylor, Kansas State, West Virginia, TCU, 486 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Like how much are they worth? 487 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: Like like in your TV network? How much are you 488 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: paying for that? And then you and then does does 489 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: adding Arizona and Arizona State up the price that you're 490 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: willing to pay? Um? I think I think you can 491 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: probably keep it at the level that is now, which 492 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: is pretty decent comparatively. Yeah, but I'm just saying, would 493 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: you would you say? Because if you're looking to expand 494 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: your conference, you should only be adding people who are 495 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: going to grow your conference, right right, So, so Arizona State, 496 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: Arizona State is on University of Texas level minus the 497 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: track record as far as like overall alumni and um 498 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: and and no sleeping giant potential here about every single year. No, Ralph, 499 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: it isn't because people don't care about football in Arizona 500 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: the same level that people in Texas care about Arizona. 501 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean about football, like city shut down in Texas 502 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: for football. I understand that, but you're you're not talking 503 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: about cities shutting down. You're talking about which channel is 504 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: the bar television tuned to for the metric rating system 505 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: and and and old nobody's gonna be Yeah, but that's 506 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: the point is that is that if you're gonna let 507 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: me add it's not Texas, but people are gonna watch 508 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: whatever football is on. It really depends on the way 509 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: that it's promoted. You and I can't have this like 510 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: super woke attitude about the w n b A that 511 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: we always bring up on Rice to or wrong. The 512 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: other podcasts is saying that a lot of it just 513 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: has to do with accessibility and not say that if 514 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: you give a great time slot to UH to a 515 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnati or a Boise state or an Arizona state, if 516 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: they were to move over Houston, which is like the 517 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: fifth most populous city in the entire UH country. Okay, 518 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: with Cincinnati is a different story. Cincinnati has a very 519 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: passionate fan base, very passionate, like they like they ride 520 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: or die, Liver die with Cincinnati football football, especially since 521 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: Luke Fickle has been there and he's recruited a bunch 522 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: of He's made a point to recruit Cincinnati kids, which 523 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: has then endeared them to the city that much more. 524 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Like he's don't think you don't think boys and by 525 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: you have I think, yes, yes, I think that they 526 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: have very passionate fan fan fan bases. I mentioned like 527 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: s m u Hue then like that that adding them 528 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: to the conference and then Cincinnati to I don't think 529 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: that that's going to drive the price of the television. 530 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: That's true. But at some point, at some point, I 531 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: don't nobody wants to hear this. This is what got 532 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire fired in the beginning of that movie. But 533 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: at some point you just gotta say, like, god damn, 534 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: we're rich and just be cool with the amount of 535 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: money that you have and move forward and see that 536 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: you can't you can't because because everybody else all right, 537 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: So the the SEC is moving to sertive, okay, because 538 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: the SEC is taking up so much oxygen in in 539 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: the room. Well, let's just look at the facts. Right, 540 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: starting in the SEC is going to be they're they're 541 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: they're leaving CBS, so that Game of the Week on 542 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: CBS is gone. All of their games are going to 543 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: be on ESPN and ABC, right right, So there's no 544 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: oxygen left for anybody else. Really, Like you get the scraps, 545 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 1: like they'll put on Pack twelve games super late at 546 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: night or at nine am in the morning, but aside 547 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: from that, all you get is SEC football on those 548 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: two net networks. So just a terrible thoughts, had a 549 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: terrible thought. So you're telling me that we as PAC 550 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: twelve fans, people who followed this conference, people have a 551 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: podcast about this conference, that we've had our eggs in 552 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: the CBS basket for a minute. And now you're telling 553 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: me that CBS can actually play two conferences off each 554 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: other to underbid Yes, uh yes, so so now so 555 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: now gonna cost the PAC twelve money. So so look, 556 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: if you're looking at the SEC, so they're taking up 557 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: the ESPN oxygen, which is the biggest thing in college football, right, 558 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: so now you look at okay, what are the alternatives, Like, 559 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: how can you get it get into this picture. Well, 560 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: the SEC is consolidating power, and now this makes Greg 561 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: Sinky one of the most power probably the most powerful 562 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: person in all of college sports. And then this only 563 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: paves the way for being able to break away from 564 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: the n C Double A and Greg Sinky being the 565 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: commissioner of college football. Like this is this is where 566 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: we're headed. So now if you are the other conferences, 567 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: you have to figure out how to how to match 568 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: that power or exposure right becauseause because you you brought 569 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: up the at the w n B a example, So 570 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: how can other conferences get that exposure that they need? Right? So, 571 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: the the Big Twelve, which will now only have eight teams, 572 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: adding those other teams isn't gonna help you with your 573 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: exposure problem because you have to get people to be 574 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: willing to buy it the way they'll expose it. The 575 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: Big Ten has Fox, right, Fox is going to be 576 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: playing more games on on FS one. They're gonna be 577 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: adding other places for games to be played, probably some 578 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: sort of streaming network like ESPN three, all of those 579 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: sorts of things. So if you're the Pack twelve, your 580 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: best freaking chance is to try to poach some of 581 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: some other teams from other conferences, or some kind of 582 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: way find some um deal with either the A C 583 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: C or the Big twelve I'm sorry, Big ten, preferably 584 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: the Big Ten so because then that keeps the Rose 585 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: Bowl tie in all that sort of sort of stuff. 586 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: The Big Ten. Partnering with them, maybe maybe not combining conferences, 587 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: but partnering with them on some level is the answer 588 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: for the for the Pack twelve. I don't think you 589 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: have a much better handle on this than I do, 590 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: because I don't understand how how we I'll be like, 591 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: we're simple minded enough to just assume that if somebody's 592 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: part of a power conference, like they've been given the 593 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: step the same way that like if a kid has 594 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: an offer from Wafford and from Colorado State, you know 595 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: you think of them a certain way, but when that 596 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: University of Miami offer comes in, you're like, oh, you 597 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: must be legit right like, And I'm not sure that 598 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: television executives are any smarter when they just say that 599 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: Big twelve football is Big twelve football. Yeah, they don't 600 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: have Oklahoma and Texas, so we're not going to give 601 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: you a boost in what you you already did. But 602 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna want to put live sports on television 603 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: because it's literally the only thing keeping networks alive right now, 604 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: Um is the ad sales against lives sports live college 605 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: football that you would at least probably be able to 606 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: repeat what you just did, which you've shown you have, 607 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: you would keep the conference alive. You know it would, dude? 608 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: They do you understand these deals are going to dry 609 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: up without Oklahoma and Texas. Those are the only two 610 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: brands there in college football that anybody cares about. I mean, 611 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just don't. There's been all right, 612 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm'm gonna give you an example. Right, So 613 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: nobody wanted to buy the PAC twelves media rights the 614 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: way that Larry Scott was trying to sell them, right right, Okay, 615 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: So and the Pact twelve clearly has national brands big 616 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: all of this, but the problem is they're not winning championships, 617 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: so people aren't nationally carrying on the same level. So 618 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: now let's take the SEC. Let's say that they have 619 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: these huge TV deals that are in place for going 620 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: in all the stuff they have now, right, if you 621 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: take Alabama, l s U, and Georgia out, pretend like 622 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Texas are staying in the Big twelve. You 623 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: take those three oh sorry in Florida out, so Florida, Alabama, 624 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: l s U and Georgia out, and you put them 625 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: in the Big twelve. And then they're left with Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, 626 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: who's struggling right right now. How much are they gonna 627 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: be worth? I don't know there's a chicken and egg 628 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: component to this, because you and I always talked about 629 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: the fact that, like people didn't think the PAC twelve 630 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: was worth anything because there's nobody watching. But there's everybody 631 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: watching because Larry Scott can't get the PAC twelve network 632 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: in people Holmes. And at some point it behooves you 633 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: to give your product a way to prove that the 634 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: audience is viable. But that's the problem is that they're 635 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: gonna have nobody to give it away too, because they 636 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: have no names. Like they'll be able to go some someplace, 637 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be limited because the the ESPN channels 638 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: are gonna be gone. NBC has Notre Dame. Maybe NBC 639 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: can squeeze in some Pack twelve there too, Um, but 640 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: CBS is the answer, and you're gonna and you've already 641 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: had Baylor, Oklahoma State and other schools reach out to 642 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: the to the pack twelve because they know what this is. 643 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: There's no saving the conference, Ralph, It's done. That definitely 644 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: makes me nervous about all the times that we listened 645 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: to Larry Scott say, hey, we own our rights, so 646 00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna be okay when the truth is letting everybody 647 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: else sign these mega deals and making sure that nobody 648 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: watches you means the next time that you come up 649 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: for a deal, you might just disappear. Yes, that's that's 650 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: literally what the SEC is trying to do. Dude, they 651 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: are they are saying, let me because well, explain that 652 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: to me. What is the benefit. What is the benefit 653 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: of the SEC knocking other conferences out of the ability 654 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: to even compete because they don't care, They don't need 655 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: them to compete because the national perception is already this 656 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: is the best conference, right So now when you still 657 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: need other you know you don't if you continue to 658 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: add schools. They are not gonna stop at sixteen. They 659 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: are going to add other schools if if if they 660 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: get could they get to thirty two like thirty two 661 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: NFL cities. Yeah, they get to thirty two and then 662 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: just refused to schedule out of conference. Yes, holy shit, bro, 663 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: this is why wouldn't you? You can take up all 664 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: the oxygen in the room. So, now if you are 665 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: the SEC, right, a human decency, dude, there's no human 666 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: decency when money is at play, all right, Ralph? So 667 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: if if you will, okay, So you just brought up 668 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: the magic word NFL. Right, So now the NFL just 669 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 1: signed a deal. Well, their TV contracts over a hundred 670 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: and ten billion dollars right over the next eleven years. 671 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: I have to look at that today and it is extreme. Yes. 672 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: So now part of the thing that makes college sports, 673 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: which does great ratings, all of this stuff lesser value 674 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: is that there's different conferences and then they all want 675 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: that access. So so ESPN, because they no SEC you're 676 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: asking for too much, will give all this airtime to 677 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. And now you find somewhere else to go, right, 678 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: which which which is not going to give you the 679 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: same available availability. Now, if the SEC expands to thirty 680 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: two teams and then now they're going to go to 681 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: negotiate a deal, how does that work If they're like, 682 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: we got Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, l s U, Oregon, 683 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: USC um, uh Clemson, my Miami, Florida State. How much 684 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: more is that worth? Now? Oh man, I feel very 685 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: much like a child right now, like realizing that, like, oh, 686 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: all these college football teams were not all about the 687 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: idea that, like, college football is this giant meritocracy with 688 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: unlimited money involved, and you can go and get yours 689 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: and then at the end of the day, the best 690 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: team is the best team. And they loved that all 691 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: of these different universities represent all these different cities. I 692 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: didn't know that they that that people within the system 693 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: would have the idea of literally erasing the the existence 694 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: of other schools for the ability to absorb a dollar 695 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: that they had no intention of sharing with the players 696 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: until they were forced to that. That doesn't sound fun 697 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: to me. I don't like that, dude. This is the 698 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: world that we live in. I mean, some ship. Why 699 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: would you let the other man exist? Because okay, so 700 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: if you're the SEC, you like your strangle hold on 701 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 1: the cop on college football already, right So now adding 702 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: teams only expands your strangle hold because if you have 703 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: twenty teams, you could be like Yeah, we have the best, 704 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: best conference. There's nothing else there. All right, Well, I 705 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: just want to warn some of our SEC friends that 706 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: you're not going to have the citadel to play in November. 707 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: If you do this, I guess you just pay people 708 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: to come in. It doesn't And that's and that's the 709 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: thing is it won't matter because they're gonna have to 710 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: go to nine conference games with adding sixteen teams, and 711 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna do those pods where it's like NFL divisions, 712 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: four teams. In each pod. You you play your three 713 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: teams plus another UM plus another entire pot, which makes 714 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: seven games, and then you play one game against the 715 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: team that finished in the same spot as you from 716 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: another pod. So it gives you nine conference games. I've 717 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: I've been through all the logistics of this bro and 718 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 1: and now you can say, yo, we play the toughest schedule. 719 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if we lose two or three games. 720 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,760 Speaker 1: Look who we're playing against. So now that twelve team 721 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: playoff is gonna have six SEC teams, That's what that's 722 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: what changed. If they go to twelve team now half 723 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: of them are going to be in the SEC because 724 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: you have you just added two more blue bloods into 725 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: the conference. So this was a chance move. They vote 726 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: for twelve teams with the understanding that like, yeah, maybe 727 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: we'll get four, but actually, behind the scenes, we're trying 728 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get more than half. 729 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 1: Think about this, dude. So so Greg Sanky was on 730 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: the board, well part of that shortlist, with the Notre 731 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: Dame um A D. Swarbrick, the Big Twelve commissioner, Bob Bowsley, 732 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: and the Mountain West commissioner on the playoff commission, which 733 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: is the expansion of twelve twelve teams. So Bob Bowsley, 734 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: the Big Twelve commissioner, had no idea that Greg Sanky 735 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: was going behind his back to poach his two best 736 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: teams while he's coming up with the twelve team playoffs. Wow, 737 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm blown away. A more so at the 738 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: fact that it came out that this was even possible, 739 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: which people are assuming the leak came from Texas A 740 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: and M, because this probably would have been hidden from 741 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: them as well, so that they didn't get in the 742 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: way of it happening to screw up their Texas exclusivity. 743 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: Um that this was hidden for so long that the 744 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: moment that it actually the news breaks the deals already 745 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: done in today's day and age. Something like that is 746 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. Yeah you are, So how are we supposed 747 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: to feel? Because, like I said, I feel like you 748 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: have a handle on this, and I'm not sure that 749 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: I do. How are we supposed to feel as Packed 750 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: twelve fans? Do we just join in the cannibalism and 751 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: not give the Big twelve a chance to even set 752 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: their feet and regroup? Because yes, you are you I'm no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 753 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 1: just I'm I'm. I understand that you're treating me like 754 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm stupid right now, and it's because I am, I 755 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: literally ignorant to this process. But here's my question, because 756 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: the thing that I've been seeing on Twitter all day 757 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: every day from some people who I consider to be smart, 758 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: and some people who consider themselves to be a lot 759 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: smarter than I consider them to be, is that why 760 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: would the Pack twelve split up? It's pie if it 761 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: doesn't have to, If they already have smaller shares, so 762 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: the odds of bringing somebody on are low. And I 763 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: understand that George Cliokus said that he would be open 764 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: to it, But you're telling me that it's actually a 765 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: necessity because it would be good for the Pack twelve 766 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: to see the Big twelve die. Okay, is that what 767 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: you're saying? Yes, but but but I'm also saying that 768 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: if you are going to bring on another member, it's 769 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: got to be strategic. It has to be somebody who's 770 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: going to at that way that way. When how we 771 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: we just talked about all the other conferences, whether this 772 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,240 Speaker 1: guy moves here, this guy moves moves there. So remember 773 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: back in ten when the when the Pack two have 774 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: almost got Texas and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and somebody else. 775 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: So the reason why they didn't come is because Texas 776 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: got the Longhorn Network and the Big twelve allowed them 777 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: to make more money than everybody else. So now you 778 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 1: know how we were talking about the Pack twelve rights, 779 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: how they couldn't sell them initially right for for what 780 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: Larry Scott the way he was trying to do it. 781 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: If you were adding Texas and Oklahoma right now, do 782 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,839 Speaker 1: you think that it would be easier to sell the 783 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: Pack twelve. Of course that's the that's so that's what 784 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve if it's going to survive and look 785 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: for the future, because because you're talking about smaller pie. 786 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about you're gonna be able to negotiate bigger 787 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 1: deals immediately, alright if you can add somebody or people 788 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: who move the needle. So here's what scares the ship 789 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: out of me is the Pack twelve team have to know, 790 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: they have to see the comparative disadvantage that they've been 791 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,839 Speaker 1: at financially all this time. That's a lot to put 792 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: on the shoulders of a guy like George Klavkov to 793 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 1: try to keep everybody happy. Because what's to stop the 794 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: big twelves from saying, all right, cool, we're gonna replace 795 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: you with Oregon and USC. Of course they are going 796 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: to try to do that. Bro, Like, what do you 797 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: know that? I'm just saying, there's got to be more 798 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: people like me than there is people like you. I 799 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: feel like the casual high school football fan has to 800 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of try to be actually like working through I know, 801 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: I get like it would be funny if I also 802 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,240 Speaker 1: knew what the hell was going on, but I don't. 803 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to have you walk me through it in 804 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: a way that i'll understand. Hopfully, our listeners aren't all 805 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: as smart as you, and I'm not just the dumbest 806 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: man on earth? What are you talking about? This is 807 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: not because I like, honestly, these are things that I 808 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: didn't get. I've been reading on it all day, and 809 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: the stuff that we're talking about makes perfect sense. But 810 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: I never in a million years would consider that the 811 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: game of Musical Chairs is actually a game of survival. 812 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: That's not what I was thinking. I was like, oh, well, 813 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: then they'll just go pick up some other teams and 814 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,839 Speaker 1: continue to be the Big Twelve. That that was how 815 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: that was the perspective that I was coming at it from. 816 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: And now I'm saying, okay, well, based on your logic, 817 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: why don't we why doesn't a Big twelve try to 818 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: ruin the Pact twelve? And you're saying like, well, absolutely, 819 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: that's what they need to do to be able to 820 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: live to see tomorrow. And now I'm like, well, Ship, 821 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: we have this podcast, are we gonna be replacing USC 822 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: with B? Y? U like, am I? Am? I? I 823 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: don't see. See here's the okay, okay, see here is 824 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: the the advantage. Well here is I think that the 825 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,720 Speaker 1: thing that makes it more likely that the PAC twelve 826 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: survives this, right, is that is that the PAC twelve 827 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:58,759 Speaker 1: teams won't leave. Is that you have U c l A, 828 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,879 Speaker 1: Cow and Error. Well. U c l A and Cal 829 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: are tied together right because they're in the UC system, 830 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: so they're not gonna So like U c l A 831 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: is not gonna split and CAL leave, right. And then 832 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: you have Cal and Stanford, who are tied together too, 833 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: but not quite as not quite as tightly. So, and 834 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: then you have USC, who needs A. They need U 835 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: c l A on some level, and they also need 836 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, but they need Notre Dame more so. So 837 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,839 Speaker 1: like it's it's a matter of how do you add them? 838 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, Like and that so like 839 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: there are certain people who matter to each other, like 840 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: Oregon and USC matter to each other, like one doesn't 841 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 1: want to leave without the other one because they're good 842 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: for each other. And Oregon but more so on Oregons, 843 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: like Oregon doesn't want to does not want USC to 844 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 1: leave unless they're leaving and going where USC is going. 845 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. Yeah, So, so if I 846 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: were the Pack twelve, what I would be looking to 847 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: do is so you're obviously not gonna poach teams out 848 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 1: of the big ten because the Big ten actually has 849 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: the biggest media deal and makes the most money and 850 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: has the most passionate fan fan bases. Sorry, SEC, So 851 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: the a c C who's locked into this dumb ass 852 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: Tier two contract until twenty thirty six, that's where you 853 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,760 Speaker 1: have to find partners. You have to find partners there 854 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,399 Speaker 1: or in Notre Dame, like because Notre Dame plays USC 855 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 1: and Stanford every year. So now if you can find 856 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: a way, even if you have to pay Notre Dame 857 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:56,240 Speaker 1: more money, but that'll rub USC the wrong way, then 858 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 1: that could be an option because Notre Dame academically fits 859 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: right into PAC twelve. I mean, it's it's a matter 860 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: of fit too, because because coming off the pandemic, right, 861 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: we saw how different states in different parts of the 862 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:19,879 Speaker 1: country treating the pandemic. So the PAC twelve schools, particularly 863 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 1: the ones in California, are not gonna be willing to 864 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,280 Speaker 1: be beholden to the same logic and science or whatever 865 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: the hell else that the SEC is using in their 866 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: commissioner leading away or the Big twelve or anybody else. 867 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,359 Speaker 1: So I think that that's a matter of that that's 868 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,640 Speaker 1: an important piece as well. Are you allowed to to 869 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: split up the actual like TV payments unevenly yes, okay? 870 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 1: Are do certain conferences have it that way? Yes? Yes, 871 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,919 Speaker 1: like like that some people are that yes that particularly 872 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,319 Speaker 1: it was mainly the Big Twelve that had it like that, okay, 873 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 1: with with Texas because they were allowed to have their 874 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: own network. It's essentially what Jerry Jones did with the 875 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys with them having their own licensing deal compared to 876 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 1: everybody else in the NFL who shares the money. Okay, 877 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: but is the TV money still split up evenly with 878 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,320 Speaker 1: Texas allowed to generate its own income on that side 879 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,760 Speaker 1: or dad? I'm okay that that That's what I'm confused 880 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: about because I I'd never heard of that before either. Um, 881 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: that would be an interesting situation of like conferences treating 882 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: the schools the way the NBA treats the players that 883 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,879 Speaker 1: are within their salary camp structure. Yep, that I mean that. 884 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,840 Speaker 1: That would be fascinating that because within the Pact twelve, 885 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: with football and basketball meeting the major rentant revenue generators, 886 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 1: you might have Oregon State take up five and get 887 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: a five percent share, with you know, U c l 888 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: A getting like twenty. That would be the situation that 889 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 1: you would be in. That may be the only way 890 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: to make this work. Because Okay, so if you're Washington State, 891 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: right or Oregon State teams that are lower on the 892 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: financial spectrum, and let's say you're getting what thirty three 893 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: million from the conference this year or whatever, Right, would 894 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: you take sixty million? While while if you're those schools, 895 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: while Oregon is getting seventy five, USC is getting eight 896 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: and Notre Dame is getting a D two. I've never 897 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 1: been in that situation. Oh no, maybe okay, but I mean, yeah, 898 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: I would take more money. Is that that's the correct answer, right? 899 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, because I mean, it helps 900 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,240 Speaker 1: you keep up with the rest of the schools across 901 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,359 Speaker 1: the nation, right, but it still keeps you in your 902 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: um in your situation because prices are gonna go up, right, 903 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,799 Speaker 1: Coaching prices are gonna go up because there's because there's 904 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: more money, because the SEC is gonna then offer their 905 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: head coaches more, so you're gonna have more ten million. 906 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: You have ten million dollar coaches in the SEC. So 907 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 1: then to keep your top coaches in the back twelve 908 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: that's how much it's gonna cost. Yeah, it's gonna be 909 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,360 Speaker 1: tough to compete against. It's already tough enough to compete 910 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: against the Big ten if you're Packed twelve school. You know, 911 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,319 Speaker 1: obviously you saw what happened with Colorado. It's been hard 912 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 1: enough to compete against the SEC. You saw what happened 913 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,799 Speaker 1: with Mike Leach, and now you gotta, um, you gotta 914 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: work about it being even even steeper. Um. The Pack 915 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: twelve might have to execute an all at war on 916 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: the Big twelve just to be able to survive correct 917 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 1: staff their programs. And I don't care for this, to 918 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: be honest, Listen, this this is the way of the world, Ralph, 919 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: is that you you will have to eat other people 920 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: the way you're not eating sometimes, like I mean, like 921 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 1: even though that you know, it's it's like they saying, 922 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 1: if it comes down to me or you, it's definitely me. 923 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 1: Would the n C Double A be able to enact 924 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: anything that would keep keep one conference from destabilizing all 925 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: of college football for the sake of greed. No, they're 926 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: gonna break away from the n C Double A. The 927 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: the n C Double A doesn't even control the football 928 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,920 Speaker 1: championships as it is, so wouldn't it behoove the n 929 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: C Double A to just all of a sudden be like, 930 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: all right, if you guys you can officially pay players 931 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: starting now, Like why would the n C double a 932 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 1: understanding that they're being put out the pasture not throw 933 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: the grenade in the mix. That's just like, hey, we're 934 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: no longer going to legislate against you guys paying players. Well, 935 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 1: Mark was just talking about that about potentially, um about 936 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: that the model is antiquated. Yeah, after he got a 937 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: new contract extension. That's funny. Um but uh but yeah, 938 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,440 Speaker 1: so I we we will continue to talk about the 939 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 1: Pack twelve plans though, but I think that they need 940 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: to find a partner otherwise there. I mean it, it's 941 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: gonna be tough. And George clic Off, the new commissioner, 942 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 1: he's got a doozy of a job on his on 943 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: his hands now because you know, he thought he was 944 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 1: gonna have Till to make some big moves with the conference. Well, 945 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: actually Till probably like to make big moves within the 946 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,240 Speaker 1: conference to really state stabilize it for the future. But 947 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 1: his tenure is gonna be dictated by the next twelve months, 948 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: Like like how people view George Klikoff as a successful 949 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,920 Speaker 1: commissioner is going to be viewed in the next twelve 950 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,080 Speaker 1: months with the decisions that he makes. Well, let's hope 951 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 1: he has a better understanding what's going on than I do. 952 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:30,080 Speaker 1: All Right, Uh, the next thing up, Nick Rolovich, head 953 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: coach at Washington State. He is now well, he's not 954 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 1: showing up to Pack twelve media day because they are 955 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: requiring all persons to be vaccinated who are going so 956 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 1: and he put out a statement that said that you 957 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 1: know that he wasn't going for such reasons, But he 958 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,680 Speaker 1: didn't say whether he wasn't taking the vaccine, whether it 959 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: was for a medical reason. But I think that he 960 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,880 Speaker 1: probably would have said it's for a medical reason if 961 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 1: that were the case. But today saved him quite a 962 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: headache for sure. Yeah, and today we found out that 963 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings offensive line and run game coordinator Rick Dennison 964 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: got fired because he refused to take the the um 965 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the COVID VAC vaccine. So he was fired. And now 966 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking, with the landscape and the passion 967 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:30,280 Speaker 1: that people have about this vaccine, that Rollovich's job could 968 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 1: be in danger right now. Yes, I'm concerned for Nick 969 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Rolovich and his whole staff at this point in time. 970 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Because the reaction wasn't like we need further explanation from 971 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich, from the fan base and some of the 972 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 1: more notable alumni. It was fires asks were done, and 973 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: that shocked me. I did not think that that there 974 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,720 Speaker 1: would not be like a race period or an attempt 975 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 1: to understand, or like a million columns written by people 976 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,680 Speaker 1: about it. There's a lot of people who are just like, 977 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,480 Speaker 1: all right, who's our next coach? Then? And that is 978 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,400 Speaker 1: not good if you're Nick Rolovich, it's not good if 979 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,800 Speaker 1: you're that staff. Um, you've got people on that staff. 980 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: I got people on that staff that it kind of 981 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,880 Speaker 1: spooked me a little bit. Um. You know, you and 982 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 1: I get into this on ris there wrong all the time. 983 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: We are both pro choice, but want people to make 984 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 1: the choice that makes the most sense for them. You 985 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: and I both do not believe that anybody's American freedom 986 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: is being taken away by their employer having a condition 987 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: of employment employment that is um within relation to a 988 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,439 Speaker 1: national pandemic where over six people have died um at least, 989 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of both where our heads 990 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: are at. And so hold on another one. Patriots co 991 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: offensive line coach Kole Popovich won't be with the team 992 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 1: in one and a decision rated related to COVID nineteen 993 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,320 Speaker 1: vaccines and NFL guidelines. So so now that's another one. 994 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, I think, uh, And you did see that 995 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 1: that Washington States president is on vacation but still managed 996 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: to release a statement saying that he expected employees to 997 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:35,080 Speaker 1: follow public health guidelines and get vaccinated. Yes, so that 998 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't bode well for this stance. I did also, 999 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: I got kind of a little bit of a laugh 1000 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: I got a little bit of a laugh out of 1001 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends jumping into nik Rollovage's mentions, like you 1002 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,640 Speaker 1: want to come talk about this on our more morning 1003 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: program where we keep old and vulnerable people confused, like 1004 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,080 Speaker 1: they were all about it. Um. And when Fox and 1005 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,360 Speaker 1: Friends is in your mentions, you might, um, you might 1006 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,280 Speaker 1: potentially be barking up the wrong tree with your decision making. 1007 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 1: But this could be medical, Like you said, if it 1008 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: was medical, he would probably have said something about it 1009 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,919 Speaker 1: to save himself the massive headache that he's um gonna 1010 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,920 Speaker 1: undergo just from having this stance at this time in 1011 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: that city, with that media that slants the way that 1012 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,320 Speaker 1: it does. Um, it just doesn't seem like a um 1013 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 1: a very good idea, but the conferences requirements are set, 1014 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: and if he's not gonna get vaccinated, then then he 1015 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, he just can't be there period um. But 1016 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 1: you and I, also, I think, are in agreement that 1017 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,160 Speaker 1: if you are a UM parent of a recruit who 1018 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 1: is being asked to come on an official visit to Pullman, 1019 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna need some explanation before you even have anything 1020 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: other to say than than f off to Nick Rolovich 1021 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: yep ye. And that I would not send my I 1022 01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,919 Speaker 1: would not send my kid there, not without a full 1023 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,840 Speaker 1: understanding of what it is he's doing and why. Yep. 1024 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:08,959 Speaker 1: And that thing and I agree with you, dude, agree 1025 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 1: with you, is that that's where that this is trending, 1026 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: is that if if my kid were going to there, 1027 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, why, well, why I need I 1028 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,280 Speaker 1: need just need you to explain it to me. If 1029 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,480 Speaker 1: it's medical, then then we're good. But part of the 1030 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 1: issue is is that then this puts the other coaches 1031 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,320 Speaker 1: in a position, the ones who didn't want to do it, 1032 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,080 Speaker 1: in a position of oh wow, if our head coach 1033 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,840 Speaker 1: isn't doing it, maybe we shouldn't do it. And that's 1034 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,440 Speaker 1: going to create another issue. Yeah, for the for the coaches, 1035 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 1: for the fans. He's the highest um paid public employee 1036 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: outside of Jimmy Lake. Yep, so you know, partially taxpayer 1037 01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:04,880 Speaker 1: subsidized position, government adjacent employee. Um, he's gonna be definitely 1038 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,760 Speaker 1: expected to be held to a higher standard. He's risking 1039 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: his job, he's risking his job, and it's very possible 1040 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,440 Speaker 1: that he loses his job. And that is wild to 1041 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: think about. And you you wonder if some of these 1042 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,840 Speaker 1: people are going to reverse course when they see what's 1043 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,120 Speaker 1: happening in the NFL, because simply put, you can't mess 1044 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: with my ability to recruit and you can't mess with 1045 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 1: my money. Yep. Um, yeah, dude, that is absolute craziness. Man, 1046 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,560 Speaker 1: where where where we're at? And I don't think that 1047 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 1: some people really thought that it was going to get 1048 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: to the point of employment. But I knew this a 1049 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,680 Speaker 1: long time ago. I told NFL players that this was coming. 1050 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,840 Speaker 1: I've told my my, my college coaching friends that this 1051 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,560 Speaker 1: was coming. Some of them did not want to believe it. 1052 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,360 Speaker 1: But you know, here, do you think we'll see go back? 1053 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see um like a rebellion? Like 1054 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,480 Speaker 1: people coming out in solidarity. They could come out in 1055 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 1: solidarity already want want to, but they're gonna be solid 1056 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:15,520 Speaker 1: solidarily without a job. Because right before the season last year, 1057 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: we saw that the Pack twelve players were putting together 1058 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: a coalition to try to pressure the Pack twelve into 1059 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,520 Speaker 1: addressing a lot of different needs for players and alumni, 1060 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:32,919 Speaker 1: from mental health to compensation to just putting a bunch 1061 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,480 Speaker 1: of really tough topics on the table. Are you telling 1062 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 1: me that if a group of thirty kids comes to 1063 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the table and says, we're not getting vaccinated and we 1064 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 1: want our seat at the table to be able to 1065 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,680 Speaker 1: talk about why that the PAC twelve was just gonna 1066 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:51,600 Speaker 1: be like all right by I dude, we we are 1067 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 1: past the point of that right right now. And that 1068 01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna let people walk like they they are, it's 1069 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,000 Speaker 1: going to like it's gonna be a situation to where 1070 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: to where they're gonna be willing to let people walk, 1071 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,400 Speaker 1: and I don't think I mean. And Cole Beasley even 1072 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,040 Speaker 1: tweeted today, Oh that they're gonna cut the best slot 1073 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: receiver in the league. You damn right they will, dude. 1074 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: This is the NFL. This is not for long like you, 1075 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,200 Speaker 1: at the point in time you start to think you're 1076 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,600 Speaker 1: bigger than the league is the point in time where 1077 01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,880 Speaker 1: the league passes you by. But I mean, I guarantee 1078 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 1: these coaches didn't think that they would get get fired. Yeah, 1079 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. I think we're definitely past the 1080 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: point of even having conversation. There's either gonna be a 1081 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,720 Speaker 1: season or there's not gonna be a season. Um, I 1082 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, It's the whole thing is 1083 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: very surprising to me. And I I hope that people 1084 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: remain free to make the choice that they want to 1085 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 1: make with the understanding that freedom doesn't apply to your employment, 1086 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:18,120 Speaker 1: just your physical ability to be free. So I mean, yeah, 1087 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. And and and to jump back, uh 1088 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,519 Speaker 1: one topic. Baylor University, who we've talked about as a 1089 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,040 Speaker 1: candidate for the PAC twelve, I guess to pick the 1090 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,800 Speaker 1: bones of the Big twelve. Clean Um has released a 1091 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,320 Speaker 1: statement that said for our state, it is critical to 1092 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,639 Speaker 1: our economy and Texas is overall reputation to maintain power 1093 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,719 Speaker 1: five institutions, reinforcing the lone Star States athletic pre eminence. 1094 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,120 Speaker 1: Rest assured we, along with the Border Regents, members of 1095 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,519 Speaker 1: the Bailor Delegation, the Texas Legislator, and other bailor leaders 1096 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 1: are actively engaged in conversations with our Big twelve colleagues 1097 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,839 Speaker 1: and others to ensure our universities in the strongest position 1098 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: possible now and in the future. That's a legitimate statement. 1099 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,479 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be waiting what waiting around for the ease 1100 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,640 Speaker 1: Yahoo's to do what they're gonna do. If yeah, if 1101 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: you were to take four teams into the Pack twelve 1102 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,479 Speaker 1: to jump into sixteen, who would they be from? From 1103 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: from where? Anywhere? Anywhere? But I would limit it to 1104 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,320 Speaker 1: like Independence and current Big twelve. I don't see anybody 1105 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,360 Speaker 1: leaving the Big Tanna unless Nebraska is sick of getting 1106 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:29,960 Speaker 1: pounded every year. Okay, truthfully, I don't want any of 1107 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,719 Speaker 1: the Big twelve teams. I mean, who do you who 1108 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,720 Speaker 1: could you possibly want that? For the for for the 1109 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 1: fan base and energy alone, I would absolutely take um 1110 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,120 Speaker 1: both Iowa State in Oklahoma State. I think that those 1111 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,519 Speaker 1: those the most fun and the best cities, and I 1112 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: would I would enjoy having them as part. Okay, so okay, 1113 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:56,400 Speaker 1: I will I will go with you there that that 1114 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: those are so I would add out of the Independence 1115 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:08,960 Speaker 1: the only one that I would m Okay, dream scenario, 1116 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:18,080 Speaker 1: all right, dream scenario. You add, I will stay Oklahoma State, 1117 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: which even though neither one of them, particularly Oklahoma State 1118 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: fits in the in in the Pac twelve like like 1119 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna be Colorado all over again. Um, but okay, 1120 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 1: but those two and huh actually all right, I'm gonna yeah, 1121 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:50,400 Speaker 1: I would take those two, Notre Dame and b y U, 1122 01:10:51,520 --> 01:11:01,400 Speaker 1: assuming that you could get um uh, assuming um, you know, 1123 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:08,759 Speaker 1: like that you could get around the religious restrictions. What 1124 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:16,760 Speaker 1: what would those be? The religious root restrictions? Yeah? Um, 1125 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,480 Speaker 1: like like you can't do stuff on Sunday's alcohol sales, 1126 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,479 Speaker 1: you know, like people that they're gonna be cool with 1127 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,759 Speaker 1: you partnering with, like just just stuff that comes along 1128 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: with having b y uh. So if if Barstool Sports 1129 01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:38,200 Speaker 1: app or or or um cleav covs relationship with mgm 1130 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,760 Speaker 1: uh would piss b yu off, that would be an 1131 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:49,240 Speaker 1: issue of yes or yeah, I mean it doesn't the 1132 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 1: official coffee sponsor of the Pack twelve. Yeah, I mean 1133 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,920 Speaker 1: that l LBS folks are are are kind of hit 1134 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,760 Speaker 1: and miss on that one, but I can understand institutionally, yes, 1135 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,519 Speaker 1: um that they might not like, like, hey, here's the 1136 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,000 Speaker 1: uh sponsorships from each of the seven Deadly Sins. You know, 1137 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,720 Speaker 1: I could see how that could possibly create an issue. Yep, 1138 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 1: Baylor seems to be cool with it. In the Big 1139 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Twelve though, Dude, Baylor, Baylor has no right to speak 1140 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,439 Speaker 1: up on on on on anything. Dude, they covered up 1141 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 1: a player dying, rapes and and everything else. Did they 1142 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 1: have no moral ground to stand on? Okay? Fox Sports 1143 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,920 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 1144 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,160 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 1145 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,200 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app search f 1146 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. The next thing up. Max Borgi, 1147 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,320 Speaker 1: Washington State running back, has said that he would donate 1148 01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,799 Speaker 1: his cameo money from name, image and likeness to the 1149 01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 1: offensive line. Are you down with that? Yeah? I think 1150 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 1: it is a way to I think it does a 1151 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,439 Speaker 1: couple of things. It puts him out in the news. 1152 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about him right now, A couple of articles 1153 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,320 Speaker 1: have been written, a bunch of people retweeting it. So 1154 01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: it increased the awareness of Max Borgie overall ahead of 1155 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,960 Speaker 1: what could be an enormous year for him, assuming he 1156 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,799 Speaker 1: has his head coach here in a couple of weeks. Um, 1157 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,680 Speaker 1: but I think you and I are in agreement going 1158 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,800 Speaker 1: into last year that we thought he was a top 1159 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,760 Speaker 1: ten player in the PAC twelve, like I definitely did anyway, 1160 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:40,840 Speaker 1: and um, I feel like, um, I feel like this 1161 01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,840 Speaker 1: will have an overall benefit, net benefit that will make 1162 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 1: up for any money that he actually spends on taking 1163 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: his offensive line out to eat because he's increased his 1164 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,519 Speaker 1: overall awareness and I think that he's extremely talented. Um. 1165 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,680 Speaker 1: So I think that strategically this was great and at 1166 01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: the same time, practically it's very good because that's what 1167 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,200 Speaker 1: we've seen the absolute least of as far as name, 1168 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,400 Speaker 1: image and likeness deals is there's not a lot of 1169 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,920 Speaker 1: money flowing in for the big men, even on small 1170 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,120 Speaker 1: sponsorship things here and there. It's all skill positions, mostly quarterbacks, UM, 1171 01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,960 Speaker 1: running backs, high profile defensive backs and stuff like that. So, um, 1172 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,559 Speaker 1: I think it's the right thing to do. I think 1173 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,160 Speaker 1: football guys love it. Um. I think you you you 1174 01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,400 Speaker 1: hit a real red meat vein and a lot of 1175 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,960 Speaker 1: people retweeted it, and I think it. I mean, we're 1176 01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,400 Speaker 1: talking about it now. So I think obviously, just as 1177 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 1: far as brand awareness, he did something good. Yeah, I 1178 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 1: totally agree with that. I think that that was an 1179 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,519 Speaker 1: absolute win and I support it other than done it. Yes, 1180 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,960 Speaker 1: well well, well, well, assuming that I was a player 1181 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,439 Speaker 1: that was going to be able to generate big money, 1182 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,320 Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, did you see? But but I would 1183 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,559 Speaker 1: have tried to find ways to to to make sure 1184 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 1: that my teammates were eating as well. Did you see 1185 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,200 Speaker 1: that I had put together a list of people who 1186 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,599 Speaker 1: were affiliated of the state of Arizona and what their 1187 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,840 Speaker 1: current cameo prices are. Did you see that? Uh? Kind 1188 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,519 Speaker 1: of run you through a couple of the prices and 1189 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:16,639 Speaker 1: you tell me if you think it's overvalued or undervalued? Um, 1190 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:25,280 Speaker 1: because I think, um that, uh, this could be a 1191 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,880 Speaker 1: decent source of income for some of the players, and 1192 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I think we had actually looked it up and and 1193 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:35,719 Speaker 1: almost fifty people had um had actually purchased them within 1194 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 1: a week of it being allowed. And that wasn't necessarily 1195 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,320 Speaker 1: um let's see, that wasn't necessarily all of the big 1196 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,120 Speaker 1: money ones. But okay, so here we go. At the 1197 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,040 Speaker 1: time that I wrote this July eleventh, which is a 1198 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,519 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, now, Spencer Rattlers cameo price was 1199 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:57,280 Speaker 1: a hundred seventy seven dollars. What do you think of that? Uh? 1200 01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,000 Speaker 1: I think that the the price that you should charge 1201 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,920 Speaker 1: for four things is the maximum amount of money that 1202 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,840 Speaker 1: people will will pay for it and then come back 1203 01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,839 Speaker 1: and buy another one. Okay, so uh But John Robinson, 1204 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,120 Speaker 1: who is a quiet, humble kids starting running back the 1205 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 1: University of Texas um Heisman contender as a sophomore, this 1206 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,760 Speaker 1: one kind of surprised me a little bit because he's 1207 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,920 Speaker 1: kind of a quiet guy. But he set his at 1208 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,439 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty five dollars, which was the second highest 1209 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,440 Speaker 1: of any college football player, just behind Spencer Rattler. That's 1210 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,120 Speaker 1: m m. Well, that's the thing is is that you 1211 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,840 Speaker 1: also want to create a scarcity too, because it's like, 1212 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,679 Speaker 1: how many cameos do you really want to be doing? 1213 01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Because if you set the price too low, then everybody 1214 01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,400 Speaker 1: gets a cameo from you, or do you like, if 1215 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: you don't want to be doing a ton of them, 1216 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,240 Speaker 1: then you senterprise higher and then some people will get him, 1217 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,680 Speaker 1: and then it'll be even more exclusive. I suppose, I 1218 01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,080 Speaker 1: suppose you've got to strike that line between exclusive of 1219 01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,360 Speaker 1: ity and uh and and enough volume to make it 1220 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,599 Speaker 1: worth your while. The cameo, doesn't you know, it doesn't 1221 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,040 Speaker 1: take much time or energy. Um, the Cavendar twins who 1222 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,320 Speaker 1: are from Gilbert, Arizona, and our basketball players on Fresno 1223 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,160 Speaker 1: State's roster in order to get a cameo from both 1224 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: of them simultaneously. Seventy Yeah, it's pretty pretty girls signing 1225 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,800 Speaker 1: a came I mean doing a cameo. It's not like, 1226 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, like they have a big name. It's just 1227 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,800 Speaker 1: the fact that they you know that that's more on 1228 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:36,280 Speaker 1: their looks. Um, what about Brendan Rice, because he wasn't 1229 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,800 Speaker 1: a guy that used to like to trade on his 1230 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,360 Speaker 1: last name. And I noticed in his cameo he was like, Hey, 1231 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm Jerry Rice's kid. Sixty bucks yep. Um, dude, that's 1232 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,840 Speaker 1: the least that his dad can do for sure for 1233 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,040 Speaker 1: not being around and not claiming him. Amen, man, amen 1234 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,080 Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. And then your boy Tyler shut his 1235 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: charge in fifty bucks a pop. Yeah, I wouldn't mad. 1236 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's like, hey, he needs to get all 1237 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:13,760 Speaker 1: he can before the season starts. You think you don't, 1238 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,240 Speaker 1: You don't think he's gonna be there? No, no, no, 1239 01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,479 Speaker 1: His prices. The only thing that struggles with Tyler Schuck 1240 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,799 Speaker 1: is his contact courage. If he can fix his contact courage, 1241 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:29,519 Speaker 1: he's good. Well, uh, maybe you'll see the Red Raiders 1242 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:35,439 Speaker 1: as members of the Pack twelve. Would you take them 1243 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,360 Speaker 1: for for what? Like? What value do they have? Like 1244 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,400 Speaker 1: Lubbick is cool, but f and up your defensive stats 1245 01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,479 Speaker 1: on the season exactly exactly. You might as well add 1246 01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 1: San Diego State. I mean at this point they add 1247 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 1: no value. Ralph Um, Well, at least stop playing him, 1248 01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,719 Speaker 1: then stop scheduling San Diego State if they had no value, 1249 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:04,640 Speaker 1: because all they do is beat us up. Yep um. 1250 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:10,240 Speaker 1: The next thing up is um oh is recruiting. Some 1251 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,439 Speaker 1: teams are doing really well at recruiting and some teams 1252 01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:19,720 Speaker 1: are doing very poorly at recruiting. You have Arizona and 1253 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,639 Speaker 1: Jed Fish, who are bro They are killing it. They 1254 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,920 Speaker 1: have a bunch of recruits. They have the quarterback from 1255 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: Los Alamitos, they have the um. They may get the 1256 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:39,040 Speaker 1: wide wide receiver t Mac from Survey. Oh no, no, no no, no, 1257 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They have the quarterback not from Los Alamitos, 1258 01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,920 Speaker 1: from from Survey, and then they may get their their 1259 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,080 Speaker 1: top wide receiver who could end up a five star. 1260 01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,680 Speaker 1: Je Fish is doing his thing, dude, And I'm wondering 1261 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,240 Speaker 1: and while some other teams are not, so you can 1262 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,840 Speaker 1: tell them about Arizona recruiting. How do you see it going? 1263 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,559 Speaker 1: I think that, um, it's a pleasant surprise. You know 1264 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,000 Speaker 1: that I'm affiliated with Rivals. So for just going off 1265 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,479 Speaker 1: of Rivals numbers, right now, University of Arizona is number 1266 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,240 Speaker 1: two in the PAC twelve as far as overall recruits 1267 01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,320 Speaker 1: with thirteen. They trill Oregon, who has sixteen recruits. UM, 1268 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,880 Speaker 1: Rivals does not have the defensive back that they just 1269 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,200 Speaker 1: pulled that seven has as a fourth star. They have 1270 01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,599 Speaker 1: him as a three star. So right now, uh, the 1271 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,879 Speaker 1: Rivals is saying that University of Arizona has thirteen commits 1272 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,400 Speaker 1: eleven or three stars, two or two stars. Um. And 1273 01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 1: so just for overall volume, that's really good. As far 1274 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,439 Speaker 1: as in state, uh, they got Russell Davis the second 1275 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,960 Speaker 1: whose father played in the NFL. And and and it's 1276 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,880 Speaker 1: kind of a big name guy. Uh down here, they 1277 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,679 Speaker 1: dipped into Sawaro High School to pick up um uh 1278 01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Tristan Monday, who is as a pretty big six three 1279 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,320 Speaker 1: to forty defensive end. They went all the way to 1280 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,719 Speaker 1: Maine UM to get a tight end named Jermine Wiggins. 1281 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:06,639 Speaker 1: June year, they have Grayson Stow Jermaine Wiggs Jr. Jr. 1282 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:11,120 Speaker 1: It must be I play with him at Jacksonville for 1283 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,360 Speaker 1: for a hig second. Alright, well, he I don't think 1284 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,559 Speaker 1: he's probably living in Maine. It says that he goes 1285 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 1: to North Brigton, and if I'm remembering correctly in the 1286 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,439 Speaker 1: stuff that I've covered, that's a prep school. Um, so 1287 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,400 Speaker 1: he's probably out of Brickton Academy and I think it's 1288 01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,720 Speaker 1: a post grad prep so um. So they pulled him. 1289 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,360 Speaker 1: He six four two fifty. They pulled him out of Maine. Um. 1290 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't know where he was before for that, see 1291 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,160 Speaker 1: if I can find it. It says um that he 1292 01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:47,120 Speaker 1: was in Massachusetts at Central Catholics, so um out out 1293 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,400 Speaker 1: near Patriots Country. Uh So so that's gonna be kind 1294 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,880 Speaker 1: of exciting for them especially. I mean, maybe that was 1295 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,639 Speaker 1: a relationship that um that jet Fish kept up when 1296 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,280 Speaker 1: he was out in New England. Who knows. Grayson stove 1297 01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,080 Speaker 1: All is a big, big, big offensive lineman out of 1298 01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,080 Speaker 1: Hamilton High School. So again really hitting the local stuff. 1299 01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,679 Speaker 1: And then they've got I think five six guys out 1300 01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,919 Speaker 1: of California and they were really struggling in California. UM, 1301 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,680 Speaker 1: with Kevin Sumlin kind of being noncommittalist to you know, 1302 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:20,000 Speaker 1: whether he was gonna heavily recruit UM Texas or or 1303 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: be in state or what. There was not really any 1304 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,760 Speaker 1: direction to what someone was doing, even though he kind 1305 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,559 Speaker 1: of started to pick up steam. And then you have 1306 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,479 Speaker 1: to consider that not only do they have thirteen commits 1307 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,320 Speaker 1: in this class, but at one point and jet Fish 1308 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,599 Speaker 1: didn't really have anything to do with it, but they 1309 01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,840 Speaker 1: did have key On Gray's who was a four star 1310 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,920 Speaker 1: maybe going on five star receiver that was committed to 1311 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,719 Speaker 1: Ohio State. So there's some momentum going on in Tucson. 1312 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,360 Speaker 1: There's some excitement. I think they're riding that wave of 1313 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,479 Speaker 1: we're going to rebuild this. If you come here, you 1314 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,479 Speaker 1: can play right away. We have a coach who's super 1315 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: active on social media, we have a young staff who 1316 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,360 Speaker 1: gets it UM, and they're all of them at They 1317 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,840 Speaker 1: got guys from Hawaii, Texas, Arizona, and California and even 1318 01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,040 Speaker 1: out on the East Coast. So UM, this is a 1319 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,200 Speaker 1: pleasant surprise if you're a University of Arizona fan, because 1320 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,880 Speaker 1: I know that you know idiots like me laughed at 1321 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,840 Speaker 1: the higher and so far it really feels like jet 1322 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,960 Speaker 1: Fish is doing everything correctly. Um, what's got to be 1323 01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,640 Speaker 1: disappointing for some other schools in the PAC twelve The 1324 01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,120 Speaker 1: school I went to, in the school that you went 1325 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:25,240 Speaker 1: to included is that USC is um despite recent results 1326 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,920 Speaker 1: not being all that great, and despite having a head 1327 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,679 Speaker 1: coach that many believe, you know, they won't even really 1328 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,080 Speaker 1: get going until they get rid of him. They got 1329 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:38,000 Speaker 1: to five stars and four four stars in this class already, 1330 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:42,400 Speaker 1: guys that many other teams had thrown the kitchen sink at, 1331 01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:47,760 Speaker 1: including Michael Williams and Domani Jackson. Well, the the A 1332 01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,400 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't sure the Michael Williams will stick. 1333 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,480 Speaker 1: But but if you look at all the rest of them, 1334 01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,479 Speaker 1: it's just a seven on seven team. Dude. They can't 1335 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,400 Speaker 1: get any alignment. You can get all the you can 1336 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,160 Speaker 1: get all the fast guys and the wire wire receivers 1337 01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,759 Speaker 1: that you want. If you can't block anybody up front, 1338 01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,960 Speaker 1: they're they're irrelevant. And then they can't get big time 1339 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,679 Speaker 1: running backs right now either. Well that, yeah, the running 1340 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,360 Speaker 1: backs thing makes plenty of sense, but they are also 1341 01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,679 Speaker 1: in a situation where in the last two recruiting classes 1342 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,920 Speaker 1: they took like eleven total offensive linement. So yeah, but 1343 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,400 Speaker 1: they were none of those guys. If none of those 1344 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,839 Speaker 1: guys are leveling up as far as their grade progression 1345 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,439 Speaker 1: because of COVID. And I understand that we're talking about, 1346 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,559 Speaker 1: for the most part, a bunch of three star guys 1347 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,439 Speaker 1: and maybe Mason Murphy being the most talle. But you 1348 01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:45,479 Speaker 1: can't be doing the development thing at USC right. You 1349 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,040 Speaker 1: can if you get an extra year. They got an 1350 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,400 Speaker 1: extra they got a free year. So it's possible that 1351 01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,679 Speaker 1: it doesn't end up hurting them as badly. We said, 1352 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,880 Speaker 1: that's that's entirely possible. What we shall see the next thing? 1353 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,840 Speaker 1: Do you do you you think that they're not getting 1354 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,599 Speaker 1: offensive linemen and they're trying, Yes, they're trying to get 1355 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,120 Speaker 1: officer lot. They can't get them because because they're looking 1356 01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,200 Speaker 1: at the style of play and they're like, I can't 1357 01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,320 Speaker 1: go to the league like that, and and and and 1358 01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:18,120 Speaker 1: I know Eliza Vera Vera Tucker just just did. But 1359 01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,280 Speaker 1: he had a yeah, but Austin Austin Jackson wasn't in 1360 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,360 Speaker 1: this system. And Elija Vera Tucker had put enough on 1361 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:32,000 Speaker 1: film already that that they already knew what he could do, 1362 01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,360 Speaker 1: because if you can't run, block, you got nothing in 1363 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,080 Speaker 1: the end of I mean in a college. Yeah, but 1364 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,479 Speaker 1: do you really think the kids are that like, like, 1365 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, Arizona State went around telling everybody, like, you know, 1366 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,759 Speaker 1: we just got two wide receivers drafted in the first 1367 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,639 Speaker 1: round back to back, come here and we will put 1368 01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,760 Speaker 1: you in that situation. And the truth is they had 1369 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,840 Speaker 1: just fired Charlie Fisher and Rob Likns, right like the 1370 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,040 Speaker 1: guys that were actually in that in that position. Of course, 1371 01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,000 Speaker 1: USC's gonna say we got too offensive lineman drafted first round. Yeah, 1372 01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:08,880 Speaker 1: but people to back years, they they Okay, there is it. 1373 01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:13,520 Speaker 1: There's there's a reason why Oregon is lining up defensive 1374 01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,240 Speaker 1: offensive line commits five star from Texas. Uh, there's a 1375 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,360 Speaker 1: there's a reasons Their lead recruiter George the lead recruiter 1376 01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:25,760 Speaker 1: is Mario Cristoval, who's an offensive lineman. Like he's he's 1377 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,320 Speaker 1: out there living that life. Yeah, but that's the Yeah. 1378 01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,280 Speaker 1: But they see the way that they play football, and 1379 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,479 Speaker 1: lineman want to be a part of that, and and 1380 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,200 Speaker 1: they don't like usc style of style of football. That's 1381 01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,200 Speaker 1: why they're it's the same reason why they can't recruit 1382 01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,880 Speaker 1: why why were I'm sorry running backs right now? They 1383 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:47,559 Speaker 1: don't like the style of play. That's the issue. Okay, 1384 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:54,879 Speaker 1: so some some other recruiting information. UM I do think that, um, 1385 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,639 Speaker 1: I do think that U c l A is doing 1386 01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,200 Speaker 1: better than that. Maybe people are getting them credit for 1387 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,920 Speaker 1: especially according to the way that they recruit. Uh, they've 1388 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,639 Speaker 1: really been able to get a bunch of skill position players. 1389 01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,080 Speaker 1: Um two tight ends, two athletes, are running back, three 1390 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,800 Speaker 1: wide receivers, whereas you know, we made fun of them 1391 01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,400 Speaker 1: last year forgetting like nine linebackers or whatever. They also 1392 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,519 Speaker 1: do have a couple in this class. They look like 1393 01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,480 Speaker 1: they're starting to figure it out. But are you concerned 1394 01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:26,720 Speaker 1: that you c l A and Arizona State are the 1395 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,360 Speaker 1: only two teams in the pack twelve that do not 1396 01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:35,160 Speaker 1: have a quarterback commit No, no, because that's the same 1397 01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,080 Speaker 1: thing that I mean. Well, you see l A. They 1398 01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:43,000 Speaker 1: don't need one. They just got two quarterbacks from from Washington. 1399 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 1: They got the kid that was there that started part 1400 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,559 Speaker 1: of the year last year, and they got Dorian Thompson. 1401 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,280 Speaker 1: Robinson left. This isn't it. So you think the transfers, 1402 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,080 Speaker 1: So you think U. C l A. Is actually like 1403 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,080 Speaker 1: they don't they don't mind that they don't have a 1404 01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,720 Speaker 1: quarterback in correct upcoming class. Okay, so then let's talk 1405 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,759 Speaker 1: about Arizona State then, because I'm looking at these guys 1406 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:10,840 Speaker 1: that are committed, um, Justin mart you guys, yeah, I 1407 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,800 Speaker 1: know they went after Justin Martin who committed to Cal 1408 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:17,519 Speaker 1: and Justin Martin actually no, Key Will potentially wants to 1409 01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,759 Speaker 1: go to U c l A. That was his dream school. 1410 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know whether he'll stay here. I 1411 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,280 Speaker 1: think he'll stay committed to Cow, but his dream school 1412 01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,360 Speaker 1: was U c l A though, and then they finally 1413 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,320 Speaker 1: offered him. I know a s U was in on 1414 01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,679 Speaker 1: Devin Brown, who has committed to U s C. Devin 1415 01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,160 Speaker 1: Brown has kind of been jumping up everybody's boards recently 1416 01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,680 Speaker 1: because um of a really really good performance UM at 1417 01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,720 Speaker 1: a leade eleven and he's just moved to Utah so 1418 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,680 Speaker 1: that you can be close to his his brother and 1419 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,519 Speaker 1: his brother can can watch him play UH football. But 1420 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,760 Speaker 1: I know that a SU struck out on probably four 1421 01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,920 Speaker 1: or five of these quarterbacks that are committed to other 1422 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,360 Speaker 1: Pack twelve schools. Not to mention the quarterbacks that they 1423 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,640 Speaker 1: went after that went l sware. Does a SU have 1424 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,559 Speaker 1: a cause for concern that they've actually been really chasing 1425 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks hard and they are alongside U C l A 1426 01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,680 Speaker 1: is having zero to the Arizona States should be concerned 1427 01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:16,200 Speaker 1: in general. People are coming after Larry Turner Good they 1428 01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:21,559 Speaker 1: are like, they should be concerned majorly because we don't 1429 01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,840 Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with these allegations, what's gonna come out, 1430 01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,719 Speaker 1: what's gonna be levy because there will be more bombs 1431 01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: to drop as it relates to them. So, yeah, this 1432 01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be a recruiting cycle that's gonna be in 1433 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,320 Speaker 1: in flux. And Arizona State has told their current players 1434 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 1: that they are um that if we if we win, 1435 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,400 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen to us. If we don't, then then 1436 01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:51,599 Speaker 1: we're gonna get get punished. But um, But there's another 1437 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,200 Speaker 1: school who's actually having an interesting time recruiting in nest 1438 01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,559 Speaker 1: University of Washington. They have eight commits and their fan 1439 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,599 Speaker 1: bases not happy with Jimmy Lakes recruiting since he's been there. 1440 01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,800 Speaker 1: Are you surprised by his lack of being able to 1441 01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:15,160 Speaker 1: close the deal? I think the only concern that they 1442 01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,400 Speaker 1: should have right now is that Jimmy Lakes a defensive 1443 01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,840 Speaker 1: coach and that they're not recruiting very well on the 1444 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,439 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. They got a promising defensive 1445 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,960 Speaker 1: end and Lance holes Claw committed for class, but for 1446 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,040 Speaker 1: the most part, the success that they're having is on 1447 01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,320 Speaker 1: the offensive side. They got the quarterback they wanted in 1448 01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,680 Speaker 1: Jackson Stratton. They got a kind of a skinnier tight 1449 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,519 Speaker 1: end and Chance Bogan, but they always do a really 1450 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,080 Speaker 1: good job building up and converting these tight ends to 1451 01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,960 Speaker 1: have success in uh in the Pac twelve. But the 1452 01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,000 Speaker 1: two crown jewels of the class for them so far 1453 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,280 Speaker 1: Jeremy Bernard from Henderson, Nevada, who's a six hundre pound 1454 01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,000 Speaker 1: four star wide receiver who has been committed to them 1455 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,680 Speaker 1: for um about a year now. And the commit that 1456 01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,519 Speaker 1: they landed at the beginning of this month a Mecca 1457 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,519 Speaker 1: mcg megua out of Fort Worth, Texas, who is a 1458 01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,439 Speaker 1: giant six found running back. So I think they feel 1459 01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,679 Speaker 1: like they're stocking up on the offensive side of the ball. 1460 01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,960 Speaker 1: The place where I feel like they probably need to 1461 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,479 Speaker 1: be concerned is Mario Cristo, ball former offensive lineman, is 1462 01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,360 Speaker 1: doing a really good job at going out there and 1463 01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:18,120 Speaker 1: getting offensive linemen to come to Oregon. But Jimmy Lake 1464 01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,559 Speaker 1: uh basically inherited this position from Chris Peterson because of 1465 01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,960 Speaker 1: his ability to build that defense, especially through recruiting, and 1466 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,000 Speaker 1: now that he's in charge of everything, for some reason, 1467 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,240 Speaker 1: the defensive part is falling off. And you have to 1468 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,880 Speaker 1: look at the fact that University of Texas came in 1469 01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,960 Speaker 1: and outbid them for their defensive coordinator services and it 1470 01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,280 Speaker 1: makes you wonder if that has something to do with it. 1471 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,960 Speaker 1: But the proof will be in the pudding. Um. There's 1472 01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,240 Speaker 1: still a lot of really good defensive talent out there 1473 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,479 Speaker 1: that remains uncommitted. If they can't land some of those 1474 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: going into the season, then I think that's when some 1475 01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,160 Speaker 1: of the fears of Washington fans will start to be justified. 1476 01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,679 Speaker 1: Oh oh for sure. Yeah, if they can't close those 1477 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,120 Speaker 1: close those deals that they think are going to because 1478 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,600 Speaker 1: they were like, yo, as so as soon as we 1479 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:07,200 Speaker 1: get people on campus, all of that stuff, yep. Um so. 1480 01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,000 Speaker 1: But with as far as the recruiting rankings, because so 1481 01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,000 Speaker 1: much of it is kind of based on the amount 1482 01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,200 Speaker 1: of commits that you already have committed, so like according 1483 01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,200 Speaker 1: to rivals, the number eleven in the country right now 1484 01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,840 Speaker 1: is Boston College and the number thirteen is Rutgers. Well, 1485 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,040 Speaker 1: they have twenty one and fifteen commits. The only one 1486 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,920 Speaker 1: currently in the top ten are your Oregon Ducks, UM, 1487 01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,320 Speaker 1: and I think one of the things that based on 1488 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,720 Speaker 1: the conversation that we lead off this this podcast with UM, 1489 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,880 Speaker 1: that should be very very concerning is there are two 1490 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,360 Speaker 1: Big twelve teams in the top fifteen, but guess who 1491 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:46,920 Speaker 1: they are, Oklahoma in Texas right right there's only one 1492 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,080 Speaker 1: other Big twelve team in the top twenty, and that's 1493 01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,920 Speaker 1: because they've pretty much filled out their entire class, and 1494 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,040 Speaker 1: that's Baylor, yep, with Iowa State coming in at twenty three. 1495 01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,519 Speaker 1: And so if the top team left over in your 1496 01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,920 Speaker 1: conference is at eighteen, and that's with a full class, 1497 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,439 Speaker 1: so that's gonna be weighted down really hard when some 1498 01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,200 Speaker 1: of these other schools come in and get some of 1499 01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,599 Speaker 1: the recruits that they've been waiting on. That's brutal because 1500 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,599 Speaker 1: like USC is number thirty one in the country right now, 1501 01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,559 Speaker 1: but they only have nine commits. They're the only team 1502 01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,080 Speaker 1: in the top thirty one that has under ten. And 1503 01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,400 Speaker 1: it's based on the level of the kids that they're getting. 1504 01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,519 Speaker 1: Georgia is at number seven in the country and they 1505 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,000 Speaker 1: have twelve you know, Penn States at number two because 1506 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 1: they have twenty one kids. The overall star rating and 1507 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:34,280 Speaker 1: again I'm talking about rivals. UM has has USC at 1508 01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,679 Speaker 1: number three in the country UM and Oregon at about 1509 01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,519 Speaker 1: fifteen three and a half stars per kid. So if 1510 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,599 Speaker 1: you if you're looking at just average stars, and then 1511 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,000 Speaker 1: as an a s U fan, you can say, oh, 1512 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,479 Speaker 1: we're top twenty, but we're fifty ninth overall because we 1513 01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:51,280 Speaker 1: only have seven commits. Yep. Yeah, so we will. We 1514 01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,360 Speaker 1: will ultimately see how all of this plays out for them. 1515 01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,720 Speaker 1: And also, you guys send us your questions for Pack 1516 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,439 Speaker 1: twelve media day. That guys want us to ask people 1517 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:06,080 Speaker 1: to either to two nine, three, seven five for seven 1518 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,760 Speaker 1: or I'm mad, I am m a D at Unafraid 1519 01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,840 Speaker 1: show dot com. 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