WEBVTT - MAJOR UPDATE: Ransom Note Revealed Nancy Guthrie Died After Abduction

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, June twenty third, and Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Guthrie died shortly after she was kidnapped. That is according

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<v Speaker 1>to information from the Ransom Notes, information that has not

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<v Speaker 1>been released to the public until now. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>give the caveat. This is all according Robes to several

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<v Speaker 1>media outlets coming from several media sources, excuse me, several

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement sources, and Robes some of these outlets also

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<v Speaker 1>have seen the notes themselves. So this information we're getting now,

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<v Speaker 1>Robes is pretty jarn.

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<v Speaker 2>It's jarring, and it's legitimate, and it makes sense because

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back and you start remembering how this

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<v Speaker 2>all unfolded, there was a real urgency, I mean an

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<v Speaker 2>immediate sense of urgency. We knew that Nancy Guthrie had medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>that she needed life saving medicine, She had medice, and

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<v Speaker 2>she needed to alleviate pain. And there was a real concern.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember p mac County Sheriff saying we've got to find

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<v Speaker 2>her in the next twenty four hours. It's crucial. And

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden it didn't feel as immediate.

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<v Speaker 2>In the days that followed. It was still intense, it

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<v Speaker 2>was still urgent, but there was a sense just hearing

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<v Speaker 2>from the Guthrie family that there might have been some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a shift.

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<v Speaker 3>And now this makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>This does help us piece together robes a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>what we in the public were not aware of, but

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<v Speaker 1>they certainly knew what was going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we want to get you caught up here because

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<v Speaker 1>there have been some competing headlines and some conflicting headlines

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<v Speaker 1>and even some confusion about all these ransom notes that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into. But the bottom line is we are

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<v Speaker 1>getting information and details from these notes that we are

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<v Speaker 1>seeing and hearing for the first time the claims now

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<v Speaker 1>in the robes of confusion comes we remember that was

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<v Speaker 1>confusion initially, ransom notes coming. TMZ seems to be getting

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<v Speaker 1>a new ransom note every hour that they're explaining that

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<v Speaker 1>they've gotten. And then there was another set of ransom

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<v Speaker 1>notes that other outlets got, in particular a Tucson television station.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what we're talking about kind of competing

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<v Speaker 1>claims right now about two different sets of notes. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's start rolled to what we're talking about with the

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<v Speaker 1>note at least that the media outlets got, in particular

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<v Speaker 1>the Tucson television station.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so there was a first note that they got

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly on that demanded millions of dollars in ransom,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there were instructions.

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<v Speaker 3>They were very specific.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one that the FEDS did deem was

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<v Speaker 2>they believed a credible ransom note from the kidnappers. But

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<v Speaker 2>then this second note they got, that's the one we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. This is the one that's making headlines, that

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<v Speaker 2>said basically that Nancy Guthrie died shortly after she was abducted,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the kidnappers didn't mean to kill her. So

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<v Speaker 2>either she died in some way from the abduction itself

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<v Speaker 2>or shortly thereafter, maybe because she didn't have her meds.

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<v Speaker 2>But when they said they didn't mean to kill her,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't say they didn't kill her.

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<v Speaker 3>I've only seen the phrase they didn't mean to kill her.

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<v Speaker 2>So it still sounds like she died at their hands

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<v Speaker 2>in some way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, at this point we're left to try to

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<v Speaker 1>piece together now ROMs with some of these messages what

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<v Speaker 1>might have happened to her, because the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 1>we still don't know. We still don't know where she is,

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<v Speaker 1>who took her why, I guess is because of money.

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<v Speaker 1>But this has been an incredible mystery. These notes add,

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<v Speaker 1>they feel in some blanks roads, but they still continue

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<v Speaker 1>to add to the mystery. And yes, the authorities, the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, the federal officials think these notes are real romes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first again the family knew this a

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<v Speaker 1>week after she disappeared. Yeah, we are now just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time that they were told a week

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<v Speaker 1>after she disappeared that she was dead in her note

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<v Speaker 1>that the federal officials are saying they believe were real.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, I mean, look, we now know that the

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<v Speaker 2>family had some sense a small sense of closure, and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not the news they were hoping for. But you

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<v Speaker 2>also understand the need to have her back with them,

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to go through the process of burying her,

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<v Speaker 2>of mourning her, of holding a service for her, and

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<v Speaker 2>understanding what happened. Everyone wants to know what happened, why

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<v Speaker 2>it happened, and who did it. So, yes, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>need for justice, There's a need for a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is fascinating to know that within a week

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<v Speaker 2>of her abduction, the Guthrie family knew that there was

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<v Speaker 2>little to no chance of her coming back alive.

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<v Speaker 1>And we all saw kind of the tone change. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a tone change in the family. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>tone change with the local officials out there who were

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<v Speaker 1>giving out so much information initially and then just stopped

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, Nope, we're only going to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference if we feel we need to. There

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<v Speaker 1>was an urgency that went away and rose. The Guthrie

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<v Speaker 1>fan had put out I think at least one, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>two messages on social media before they got this second note. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know at the time, but they got this

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<v Speaker 1>second note that said that Nancy Guthrie was dead. And

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<v Speaker 1>then on February seventh, Savannah Guthrie and our siblings went

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<v Speaker 1>on and made this statement and wrote, now this makes

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they said, we received your message, and we understand.

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<v Speaker 2>We beg you now to return our mother to us

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<v Speaker 2>so that we can celebrate with her.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the only way we will have peace.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very valuable to us, and we will pay

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<v Speaker 2>I remember this one because it was such a shift

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounded like, Okay, they're communicating in some other

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<v Speaker 2>language about something we don't know about that they clearly

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<v Speaker 2>understand and are trying to offer a response to. So

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<v Speaker 2>now knowing that the message was that Nancy Guthrie had died,

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<v Speaker 2>this what Savannah said and what they were asking for

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<v Speaker 2>makes so much more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And they can't so Brokee, we as we say, we

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<v Speaker 1>think about how impressed we were with Savannah Guthrie in

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<v Speaker 1>particular and her whole family and how they kept it

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<v Speaker 1>together and how she's gone back to work. Robes, we

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<v Speaker 1>are hearing now that all this was going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>a week after her mom disappeared, they might have had

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<v Speaker 1>a little more understanding in Robes, I guess resigned to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she was dead already. Yeah, that early

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<v Speaker 1>on in this whole process, while the rest of us,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world hoping.

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<v Speaker 3>That she might still be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet that's wild to me that they knew within pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much a week, and we had a month and two

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<v Speaker 2>months and we're over four months now and we're just

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<v Speaker 2>now finding out. I also think it's interesting, look and

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<v Speaker 2>it makes total sense that the FBI and certainly the

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<v Speaker 2>Guthrie family would have asked as well that these media

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<v Speaker 2>and specifically the Tucson television station asked them to keep

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<v Speaker 2>all of that information private. Think about that an entire

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<v Speaker 2>newsroom knew that the contents that that's second ransom note

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<v Speaker 2>clearly stated that Nancy Guthrie was dead and it never

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<v Speaker 2>once got out.

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<v Speaker 1>And give them credit. I know media gets reputation, reporters

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<v Speaker 1>just going after chasing a lead, chasing a headline, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get a scoop. But Robes, We've been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of organizations that have done this over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one that they do take very seriously and

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<v Speaker 1>take it as a public duty. And Robes, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just being a good human.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, you don't want to do anything to undermine

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation. And again, yes, I think that's very fair

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<v Speaker 2>to say. Most people would not assume. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they'd think the worst of journalists, investigative journalists trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get the scoop, trying to get the lead, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be the first to report something.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I do think almost.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of journalists are good people who actually have

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<v Speaker 2>a desire to inform and to help folks and to

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<v Speaker 2>provide a service, and not to undermine an investigation or

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<v Speaker 2>to do anything that could bring harm to someone. And

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<v Speaker 2>so with that in mind, obviously they kept it to themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, here we are. It was this June twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third. Yeah, they've been sitting on this since the

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<v Speaker 1>first of February, So good on them for doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's go to the other thing. The other part

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<v Speaker 1>of the story, and the part that was making a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of headlines yesterday, is that Harvey Levin over at

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<v Speaker 1>TMZ was reporting something very different. He was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>and almost knocking down some claims because for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>people were associating maybe what we're hearing about the notes

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<v Speaker 1>from the Tucson TV stations to the notes that TMZ got.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like robes to me, before we get into this,

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<v Speaker 1>two totally different camps were sending notes to different media outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>So which one's the real when which one's not?

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like from what see if you and I

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<v Speaker 3>are on the same page.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we haven't discussed this beforehand, but it sounded to

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<v Speaker 2>me like the FEDS and the police are all saying

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<v Speaker 2>that the notes that were given to the Tucson television

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<v Speaker 2>station were from the kidnappers, were from the abductors.

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<v Speaker 3>But it appears that.

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<v Speaker 2>The notes that tm was receiving was from somebody associated

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<v Speaker 2>with the kidnappers or who knew of the kidnapping. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was someone with information who was close enough in

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<v Speaker 2>this inner circle, if not a part of the kidnapping ring,

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<v Speaker 2>but was trying to get information as to her whereabouts

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<v Speaker 2>to TMZ but maybe wasn't in that inner circle, but

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<v Speaker 2>had knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Had knowledge, didn't seem to be a participant robe but

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<v Speaker 1>this drove us crazy throughout. This was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>was asking for one hundred thousand in bitcoin. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the one who claimed to know where Nancy Guthrie was,

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<v Speaker 1>to know where the kidnappers were, and that was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know everybody looks out for themselves and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's pretty crappy to know to have the information

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<v Speaker 1>that can give relief to this family. That was yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>And that person who was writing kept saying that they

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<v Speaker 2>were concerned that they would be arrested, that they would

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<v Speaker 2>be charged with the kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 3>That they would somehow be associated with the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And so because of that fear of that, in addition

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<v Speaker 2>to retro u shin from the kidnappers themselves, he claimed,

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<v Speaker 2>I say he but this person who was writing claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that they needed this money to go underground, to go

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<v Speaker 2>into hiding, because their life would be in peril if

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<v Speaker 2>they gave this information.

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<v Speaker 1>So Harvey Levin over at TMZ is essentially saying authorities

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<v Speaker 1>thought those notes could have been authentic to so even

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<v Speaker 1>if it was not a kidnapper, they believe they were

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<v Speaker 1>talking to somebody who did possibly have information. But he

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<v Speaker 1>said Ropes, the notes that came to him started was

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<v Speaker 1>saying that Guthrie was scared but okay, did not mention

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<v Speaker 1>that she had died. But there was a first and

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<v Speaker 1>a second note that use similar language robes that suggests

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<v Speaker 1>two very different things. The first one saying time is

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<v Speaker 1>of the essence, that essentially suggests clock is ticking, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>she's not doing well. We need to wrap this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that is in line with what you would

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<v Speaker 2>expect for a kidnapping for ransom. That yes, they'd want

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<v Speaker 2>to get in and out. They don't want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eighty four year old woman and they just want

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<v Speaker 2>their money. So yes, there was a sense of urgency.

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<v Speaker 2>Time is of the essence. But in the second noe,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where Harvey Levin and this does jibe exactly

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<v Speaker 2>with what we are hearing from the FEDS with the kidnappers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ransom notes time is no longer of the essence, and

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey Levin points out, look, why would time no longer

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<v Speaker 2>be of the essence? That would only indicate one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that Nancy Guthrie was no longer alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there is no hurry, And if you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get money, you don't want the person you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get money from to think that there's nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for anymore. So rope that kind of just common sensically.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we could go on board with that, but

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know for sure. But ropes that time is

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<v Speaker 1>no longer of the essence.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm curious about though, just obviously I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one can get into the heads of the kidnappers.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're demanding money for someone to be returned alive,

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<v Speaker 2>that person then dies and the family who you want

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<v Speaker 2>wanted money from, who you know has money because you

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<v Speaker 2>know who they are. If they're then offering money for

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<v Speaker 2>just the whereabouts of the body, why would you not

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and do that? Now you can just totally

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<v Speaker 2>back away. I know there could be forensic evidence, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>But why not go ahead and give them that for

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<v Speaker 2>the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows what's going on? Ay, And we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before, Robes, and you were pointing out several pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, they might be under threat of some kind.

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<v Speaker 1>They might legitimately be fearful of their lives if they

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<v Speaker 1>give this information up, or if they're how close in

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<v Speaker 1>proximity are they to the kidnappers. Possibly, It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery that I guess some things got cleared up,

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<v Speaker 1>but the mystery kind of grows grows here, Roes, because

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<v Speaker 1>there was suspicion. I think someone did get arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>southern California for a hoax.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a fake note, yes, so.

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<v Speaker 1>But to sit here, Roes, and to think all those

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<v Speaker 1>notes that were going around were real, were real, all

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<v Speaker 1>the I mean, Harvey said they got a dozen plus emails,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right wild to think it's all and given all

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<v Speaker 1>the modern technology, all the investigative techniques and how they're

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<v Speaker 1>able to track folks down, to think we have dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of correspondents from legit people involved in this and we

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<v Speaker 1>can't find.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, can't figure out who they are, where they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and how many people are involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, stay here, folks. TMZ had more to offer in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, including an offer they made to pay the ransom.

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't they, Well, the FBI wasn't crazy about the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Stare Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are getting the first real solid piece of

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<v Speaker 2>information in the Nancy Guthrie abduction case that we've had

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<v Speaker 2>since the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, she went missing.

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<v Speaker 2>February first, first, correct, Thus, she was last seen the

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<v Speaker 2>night before when her son in law dropped her off

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<v Speaker 2>after an evening meal with her daughter and poof. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just and it still remains a mystery as to

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<v Speaker 2>where she is and who abducted her. But we are

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<v Speaker 2>learning that the FEDS and the Guthrie family, it appears,

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Nancy Guthrie is dead and that they knew

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<v Speaker 2>it a week into her abduction.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I think that's a headline here for me for

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<v Speaker 1>the story Robes that they were it was February seven

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<v Speaker 1>she put that note out. Yeah, that was in the

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<v Speaker 1>same week her mom disappeared, reported missing on February first.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we were holding out hope, as people were

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<v Speaker 1>holding out hope, and they that the tone changed roles

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<v Speaker 1>that you're right when she said we will pay. It's

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<v Speaker 1>important for us to come back and be able to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate her. We heard, yes, right, you could piece it

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<v Speaker 1>together there, but to know that they got a note

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<v Speaker 1>that said your mom is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's tough, that's gutting, and look, TMZ went on to say,

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<v Speaker 2>this was really interesting. They actually said that they want

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<v Speaker 2>and wanted to do, probably still do and probably will

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<v Speaker 2>do a documentary because this was of such an unusual

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<v Speaker 2>twist to have TMZ and local television stations receiving ransom

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<v Speaker 2>notes and this big mystery. So they were interested in

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<v Speaker 2>doing a documentary and to do so, they were interested

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<v Speaker 2>in paying this bitcoin to this guy who has been

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<v Speaker 2>content guy whoever this person is who has been reaching

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<v Speaker 2>out to them with these notes saying they know where

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Guthrie is, and they just thought, hey, let's check.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to do anything to upset the investigation

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<v Speaker 2>or to upset the Guthrie family, so they checked in

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<v Speaker 2>first with the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to TMZ, FBI just thought that was interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>so really didn't give them guidance on what they should do. TMZ,

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<v Speaker 1>for their part, roles, they said they that's paying and

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens. What if they did? What if a

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<v Speaker 1>news outlet paid the ransom and got the information that

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<v Speaker 1>led to Nancy Guthrie? Holy hell? Could you imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>that story would be?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't And would that be okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Would that be wrong? Would that be right? Would that

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<v Speaker 2>be illegal? I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know what. It's a private entity. Can they

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<v Speaker 1>do what they want to do? Now? I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities could argue that they're in some way impeding the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation or interfering with the investigation. Sure, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>get the okay, but it's one of those things rope.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people pay ransoms and they do get what they

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<v Speaker 1>pay the ransom for. And that might have been one

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<v Speaker 1>of those cases. But to think the what ifs? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>if that many months ago, if that long ago, paying

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen it was initially fifty thousand in bitcoin and it

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<v Speaker 1>went up to one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred thousand or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens if you pay?

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just an interesting fact in a detail there. But

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<v Speaker 1>they offered. FBI didn't give them an okay, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said they've now he used the word the FBI is

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<v Speaker 1>now ghosts ghosting us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said that the FBI, and it was funny

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<v Speaker 2>though he was trying not to upset them. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>but we believe that they still are actively investigating. They

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<v Speaker 2>want to see this come to a closure. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to see answers for the Guthrie family. But yeah, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>they've called them at least a dozen times or a

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<v Speaker 2>half a dozen times. I don't know what the number was,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, but multiple times. And the FBI is now

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<v Speaker 2>no longer returning their phone calls. And he said beforehand

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<v Speaker 2>they were returning their phone calls immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>He should just call Cash Battel. Cash Hotel is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>interested in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>He should just slide into Cash Betel's DMS. I bet

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<v Speaker 2>you that would work.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you said that kind of jokingly, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it might. But really, this is I mean, give

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<v Speaker 1>them some guy. I mean, TMZ has been central and

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<v Speaker 1>actually been a good partner when you argue in this

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<v Speaker 1>investigation with the FBI. They you could argue even more

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<v Speaker 1>so than a CNN or a Tucson TV station might

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<v Speaker 1>have had the wherewithal to say, the hell with it,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna put everything we got out there and wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>give a damn given them credit on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly will and they obviously look, the Guthrie family

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<v Speaker 2>knows more than anyone now, Savannah being in the media

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<v Speaker 2>and now being a victim to this entire situation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>important to have these types of stories stay headline, stay

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<v Speaker 2>in the headlines, because that gets people talking, that gets

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<v Speaker 2>people calling in tips, and that could lead eventually to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Finding their mothers.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure Savannah is grateful to the coverage and

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<v Speaker 2>TMZ was respectful. Yes they were breaking news, and yes

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<v Speaker 2>they were following up on tips, but they were keeping

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<v Speaker 2>this story alive in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And continue to do so now. So yes, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>had significant we haven't had major update to at least

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation, but this is a significant update for the

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<v Speaker 1>public at least in knowing what was going on and

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<v Speaker 1>what has been going on in the search for Nancy Guthrie,

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<v Speaker 1>a case that they do tell us remains open than

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<v Speaker 1>one they are investigating the one to give you those

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<v Speaker 1>critical updates, But we always appreciate you spending some time

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<v Speaker 1>with us. My dear Amy Robot com T J. Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>will talk soon