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Speaker 2: This week on Prime Cuts, John Middlecoff on the Cowboys,

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott problem, Nick Wright on Caleb Williams, and my

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Speaker 2: top takes of the week. All right, let's welcome in

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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out at the

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Speaker 2: volume his podcast, the Justin Fields story broke, so apparently

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Speaker 2: two or three teams were interested. He wanted the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting because he has Russell Wilson in front

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Speaker 2: of him. One thing I want to say, John, obviously

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Speaker 2: the Bears, this would have been really interesting. So let's

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Speaker 2: say because I think the Bears desperately wanted this to

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Speaker 2: work with Justin because they could have moved off Caleb

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Speaker 2: Williams and gotten two first two seconds on a fourth

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Speaker 2: you'd have been set for five years. So they were big.

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Speaker 2: They dine for Justin Fields to work. And I think

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Speaker 2: had he caught fire at Thanksgiving like Jordan Love did

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Speaker 2: in mid October and gone on like an eight game

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Speaker 2: heater with eleven touchdowns, two picks, sixty four percent completions,

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Speaker 2: they didn't win all the games, but they were really

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Speaker 2: You watched them like Jordan Love and you thought, okay,

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Speaker 2: there it is there's that two month stretch against multiple

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Speaker 2: teams AFC, NFC Division games sellout on the road, and

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Speaker 2: you watch Jordan Love at the end and you're like,

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Speaker 2: all right, dude can play. I'd like to see a

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Speaker 2: few more, but dude can play. I think they kept waiting,

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Speaker 2: John and they just kept waiting for the sixth game

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Speaker 2: heater when so I think they kind of did give

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Speaker 2: it to like December, and then they just went and

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Speaker 2: then they watched them against Jordan Love and you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love's done more than three months than this guy's

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Speaker 2: done in three years. Do you believe they waited to

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Speaker 2: it was over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they waited till the end. I

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Speaker 1: think they coming into the season they were hopeful, and

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Speaker 1: then as the season materialized and played out and it

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Speaker 1: was clear they were getting the number one pick, he

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Speaker 1: was done. Because the conviction you have as a general

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Speaker 1: it with Chris Ballard right now, Anthony Richardson, or those

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Speaker 1: guys in Houston with CJ. Stroud, or even the owner

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Speaker 1: with Bryce Young. You are you're very invested right, you

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Speaker 1: put all the work into draft them. You got to

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Speaker 1: know him, and then you've gone all in to use

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Speaker 1: your draft capital. Ryan Pols did not do that. He's

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Speaker 1: not the GM that drafted him. So anytime that happens. Hell,

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Speaker 1: you and I have been talking about this. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what was on the forefront this weekend? And you've

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Speaker 1: been hammering this home year two Thanksgiving as a player,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett got two years, they shift him.

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Speaker 3: Out of Yeah, yep, it was over like.

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Speaker 2: That, and that's one of the most loyal organizations. You

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Speaker 2: and I know that Pittsburgh struggled with that because he

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Speaker 2: at that point. Yeah, I always say now, because of

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Speaker 2: all the seven on seven drills in the camps, you

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Speaker 2: think it's Thanksgiving second year and everybody's like, raise your

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Speaker 1: I think making that trade and it has a chance

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Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panther trade for Ryan Poulse. If Caleb

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Speaker 1: But look at all these quarterbacks. All the action happened Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: That's nothing well, and also a defensive coach is where

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Speaker 2: So Saquon should succeed just because the Eagles have a

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Speaker 2: Like to me, I understand in free agency you overpay,

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Speaker 1: I think they have a Dak Prescott problem, not because

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Speaker 1: He has a second highest cap hit in the league

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Speaker 1: That's taken up like twenty four percent of their salarycount.

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Speaker 1: And give this quarterback two hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the splits? So and I could be

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Speaker 2: Remember he broke into the league with a great run

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Speaker 2: He's not this. So I just look at Dallas and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you have these numbers, they're all telling and

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Speaker 2: it's a bad running back draft. I didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think they're with the you know, they've

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Speaker 2: All right, we bring in Nick.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that I think is

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Speaker 2: So I look at Caleb. Whenever I hear the pushback

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Speaker 3: be a millionaire? And I blew it immediately, and I

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Speaker 3: was smart and should have known better. And it was

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Speaker 3: only fifty thousand night when I was twenty two. I

431
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Speaker 3: can't imagine if I had you know, got ten million.

432
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Speaker 3: What I would have thought. But we know what Caleb

433
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Speaker 3: is like with money, we don't you don't have to

434
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Speaker 3: worry about that. I think that's actually a plus. Yeah.

435
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Speaker 2: I anytime you're the first dealing with something, it's difficult, right,

436
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Speaker 2: like sometimes you know, I think about this all the time.

437
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Speaker 2: I was kind of a talented, workaholic mess until I

438
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Speaker 2: was like thirty three with my kids. And by the way,

439
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Speaker 2: dad was a doctor, mom worked in the school, you know,

440
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Speaker 2: lived in the same house. No abuse in my life.

441
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Speaker 2: That's a bit of a mess. And how many athletes

442
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Speaker 2: have don't have that structure or don't have you know,

443
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Speaker 2: somebody in there. I mean, I've always known what to do,

444
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Speaker 2: for instance, with money. My dad was in the market,

445
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Speaker 2: my dad had doctor friends. I had a mess until

446
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Speaker 2: I was thirty three, and I think, forget this. So

447
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: now now you have some of these kids and these

448
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Speaker 2: nil kids they get money or these young athletes, oh iosa.

449
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Speaker 2: I don't know what I would have done with one

450
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand. Caleb made like four and a half million.

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Speaker 3: So that's my point. I do know what at twenty

452
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Speaker 3: two with a college degree, with educated smart parents' successful

453
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Speaker 3: parents I would do with fifty thousand, and the answer

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Speaker 3: is gamble and go to the Gentlemen's Club every single

455
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Speaker 3: night till it was gone, which is what I did.

456
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Speaker 3: It was gone, I bought a television and nothing and

457
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Speaker 3: good times for two hundred days. One some money, lost

458
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Speaker 3: some money. The nights I won. I took my friends out.

459
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Speaker 3: When people are like, oh, these guys are paying for

460
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Speaker 3: everyone else's lifestyle. Of course, because the moment you can

461
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Speaker 3: afford the steakhouse, you don't want to go to the

462
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Speaker 3: to Fuddruckers anymore. You just don't, right, and nobody wants

463
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Speaker 3: to eat alone. So guess what we're all going. It's

464
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Speaker 3: on me. It was again, I'm not an idiot. I

465
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Speaker 3: knew fifty grand at you know, at eight hundred dollars

466
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Speaker 3: a night, fifty grand is not going to last that long, boys,

467
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Speaker 3: but it always felt like it would last longer than

468
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Speaker 3: it did. So yeah, I think everybody people that I'm

469
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Speaker 3: not big into being judgmental on early twenties, because anyone

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Speaker 3: who's if you had all your shit together in your

471
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Speaker 3: early twenties.

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Speaker 2: You're boring. What Kansas City's becoming is New England, a

473
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Speaker 2: more entertaining version so who beat New England in the

474
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. The Giants twice by an inch and the

475
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Speaker 2: Eagles on trick plays and maneuvering. You got to a

476
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Speaker 2: point in the AFC, even young Mahomes, nobody was at

477
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Speaker 2: the end. They had the cheat code, they knew the

478
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Speaker 2: Rubik's cube. It is big. Ban and Pittsburgh were not

479
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Speaker 2: sophisticated enough offensively, Peyton Manning having to go to Foxborough again,

480
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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton, roll your eyes, Flacco, you know, may be

481
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Speaker 2: able to do it once. But really they mastered the AFC.

482
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Speaker 2: They had a weak division, They always played in Foxborough.

483
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Speaker 2: They always got the buy for older teams, and it

484
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Speaker 2: was like, oh, they win a game and they're in

485
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Speaker 2: the ANFC Championship. That's what Kansas City. That's why hard

486
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Speaker 2: bought of the Chargers is good for the league. Now

487
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Speaker 2: it's like they can't go on a two game losing streak.

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Speaker 3: Now.

489
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Chargers this year will quite be there.

490
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Speaker 2: But I think what the Chiefs are becoming is their

491
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: losses will only be in Super Bowls. I do not

492
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Speaker 2: believe Burrow's health is trustable. I think Buffalo and Baltimore

493
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Speaker 2: this was the year with a young KC offense in

494
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Speaker 2: Kansas City having to travel. I think Kansas City is

495
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Speaker 2: going to be New England. The AFC is overwhelmingly because,

496
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Speaker 2: by the way, there's a really big chance you're not

497
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Speaker 2: going to get a quarterback as Gift that is Josh

498
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Speaker 2: Allen or as electric as Lamar, or as accurate as Burrow.

499
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Speaker 2: If they can't do it, you may not.

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Speaker 3: They can't. And if they can't do it, and two

501
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Speaker 3: of them, two of those three got their shot at

502
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Speaker 3: them this year in their building and lost and lost,

503
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Speaker 3: and with a wounded Chiefs team now, so it's gonna be.

504
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Speaker 2: McVeigh and Stafford that knock them out.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna have to be or it's listen, it's football.

506
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Speaker 3: So weird shit happens, right, you know what I mean?

507
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: There is the you know, you look back on that

508
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: New England run because when you look at it and

509
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: you're like, how did from you know, the from the

510
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: undefeated season until the sea how did they go seven

511
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: years from that year to the Seattle Super Bowl without winning?

512
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Speaker 3: And you look at it and it's like, there's a

513
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 3: weird ass game against Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez's Jets.

514
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Speaker 3: There was the game the Ravens just ran for three

515
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Speaker 3: hundred yards like so weird stuff happens, yes, but there

516
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 3: weren't many times it felt like a team just lined

517
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Speaker 3: up and was you know what I mean, better prepared

518
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Speaker 3: and better than them, and they Patriots played their best

519
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Speaker 3: and lost. I you mentioned the Chargers if you were

520
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: advising hardball, So I have been. I'm gonna say so,

521
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna admit something to you that you will laugh at.

522
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: So I have the last two years almost compulsively. I

523
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: use Pro Football Focuses mock draft tool where and it's

524
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: a great I gotta give them credit. Man. It's a

525
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: really cool thing where you can pick whichever team you

526
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Speaker 3: want to control, and they're you know, their AI will

527
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: draft for the other teams offer trades. Except trades there's

528
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Speaker 3: pretty They have like the trade value chart in there,

529
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Speaker 3: but you can and they have the you know, your

530
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Speaker 3: big board players ranked. You do a seven round draft

531
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Speaker 3: or whatever. And then so I do a lot of those,

532
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Speaker 3: and I send my favorite ones to Brett Beach like

533
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Speaker 3: a man, Hey, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I do the same to Less Snead. Okay, I take

535
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Speaker 2: pictures of mock draft, send it and I say, am

536
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Speaker 2: I close and he will say, we don't, we don't

537
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: do this, we're interesting, and he'll give me very subtle

538
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: reminders on that what they do.

539
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Speaker 3: So last year I had a guy and I feel

540
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Speaker 3: I felt, you know, I was like, oh man, I've

541
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Speaker 3: ruined my mock draft reputation. And one of the ones

542
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Speaker 3: I sent him, I had the Chiefs I won't say

543
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Speaker 3: the kid's name, taking a kid in the second round.

544
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Speaker 3: And he was like, actually, not bad, except for your

545
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: second round pick, player X, I think is undraftable because

546
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: of some something some whatever. And then I looked. I

547
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: was like, I had the Chiefs taking a guy at

548
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: fifty eight that did not get picked, oh boy by

549
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: anyone in the real drafting, get picked by anyone, but regardless.

550
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: So I'm really more locked into this year's draft class

551
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: than anyone before because I keep doing these mock drafts.

552
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: If you were advising Harble, let's just assume that it

553
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: goes one, two, three, four, Caleb Drake, Jaden or Jaden

554
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: Drake doesn't matter, and that Arizona stands pat it for.

555
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: They're like, we're not trading it, We're taking Marvin. So

556
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: you're the Chargers. Yeah, the option to take neighbors to

557
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: take the tackle all or to trade the pick with

558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: Minnesota for eleven twenty three and you know something else,

559
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: what would you recommend they do?

560
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Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, I am a strong proponent of

561
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: I picked the right career. You have to lean into

562
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Speaker 2: certain advantages. And I use the metaphor all the time.

563
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: Ride the wave. Life presents you with waves where all

564
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Speaker 2: surfers take the wave. So I and I'll give a

565
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Speaker 2: story to the audience. So when I first moved to

566
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Speaker 2: Manhattan Beach, on Saturdays, I'd get a big coffee at

567
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Speaker 2: Pete's Coffee or something. I would go down and I

568
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: would watch the surfers. I'd walk out to the pier

569
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Speaker 2: and watch the surfers. And what I noticed over the

570
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Speaker 2: course of time is the very best surfers did rode

571
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Speaker 2: the fewest waves. They were very selective. They wanted the longest,

572
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: so they chose the best wave. So I use that

573
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: metaphorically in my life a lot. There's things I'm good at,

574
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Speaker 2: things i'm not. I'm no longer trying to in you know,

575
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: fifties and say trying to prove I'm good at everything.

576
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: About fifteen years ago I came to the conclusion you

577
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: know ride the wave of life. And that was and

578
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't in Manhattan Beach yet, but it was really

579
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Speaker 2: a crystallized moment where I watched this and I thought, God,

580
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: the smartest surfers, they're not wasting their time on shit.

581
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: They're just waiting an hour for the best wave. So

582
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Speaker 2: if you're Jim Harbaugh, there is a wave you need

583
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: to ride for two years. You have a significant advantage

584
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Speaker 2: over every other NFL coach in college personnel because Michigan

585
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: only recruits four and five star players.

586
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: You played against these kids, or you're recruited.

587
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: Against you know the odometer, you know all the backstart,

588
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: you've met the parents. So if I'm the Chargers for

589
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: the next two years, I do a ton of trading down.

590
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Speaker 3: I thought, I totally agree.

591
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Speaker 2: And like I would take the five. I'd say, min soda,

592
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: you want a quarterback, you move up. We'll take your

593
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: other one, A three or four. Yeah, So you have

594
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: a wave advantage. Jim knows personnel. This was always the

595
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: problem with Belichick after he seized power, after you know,

596
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: multiple super Bowls, he didn't watch games on Saturday. He

597
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: was a terrible drafter. Pete Carroll when he seized control

598
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: for briefly in Seattle Paul Allen's illness. Jody Allen was

599
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: not a football fan. Paul really kept his thumb on

600
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: the organization. Pete took control the front off the drafts

601
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: went into the tank. You can't do both, Harbaugh for

602
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: two years? Can Pete could early? So I would trade

603
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: I have thought about this. I would trade down twice.

604
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 2: I would trade down Minnesota to eleven and then by

605
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: the way, because they need they need weird things like

606
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: a center, like a tight end.

607
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Speaker 3: They probably take in that center for more. I think

608
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: he is the three names. He's going to be available

609
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: at twenty eight.

610
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Yep, they could trade down to eighteen twenty and have

611
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: thirteen picks. So I think again, back to the way

612
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: you have to take. This is what won Pete Carroll

613
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. So that hards in the fifth round

614
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: as a Chiefs fan. That's so everyone's like, oh, are

615
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: you afraid if the Chargers are gonna get Marvin Harrison

616
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: or Malik Neighbors at five?

617
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, I hope they do. Not because

618
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: those guys aren't good players, but because adding a great

619
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: wide receiver to a team that just lost Keenan Allen,

620
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: Mike Williams. That's not going to make them, you know,

621
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: demonstrably better. They have too many needs. But if they

622
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: if they like, like we just said, turn five into eleven,

623
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: twenty three and something else, and then are sitting at

624
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: eleven and say to the any team behind Denver and

625
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: the Raiders who are at twelve thirteen, like, hey, do

626
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: you guys want a quarterback? Because these teams do? Do

627
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: you want eleven? And now all of a sudden they have,

628
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, seventeen twenty three, a future first, an extra third,

629
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: all these things. That's how the Chargers can very fast

630
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: get right back into it. I have another draft thing

631
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: that I want to throw at you if I may, Yeah,

632
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: go ahead, It's okay, all right. So people think four

633
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: quarterbacks can go in the top ten, right, the three

634
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: guys and then JJ McCarthy, which I don't understand the

635
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy thing. I'm not a college football expert, but

636
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: one of the teams I watched a lot was Michigan,

637
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: and never once I watched Michigan was like, that guy's

638
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: a future top ten pick. But what do I know? Yeah,

639
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: So those four guys, Marvin Harrison and neighbors are definitely

640
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: going in the top ten. People think of doonsday might

641
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: be able to whatever. Let's say those two Joe all

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Speaker 3: the best tackle and then maybe another tackle and maybe

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Speaker 3: brock Bauers, maybe Roma Doonsay, here's why I say that.

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Speaker 3: I just listed eight, maybe nine to ten guys. They're

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Speaker 3: all offensive players. So if you're there, this is similar

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Speaker 3: if to the twenty twenty one draft, which had all

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Speaker 3: those five quarterbacks and they went earlier or whatever, all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, Micah Parsons is on the board at

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Speaker 3: eleven because only two defensive players have gone. If you're

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Speaker 3: a team that needs defense, you might be able to

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Speaker 3: get the third defensive player taken in this draft at

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Speaker 3: pick fifteen. Like that's not an exaggeration. Like there'd be

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Speaker 3: the four quarterbacks, three wide receivers, brock Bauers at tight end,

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Speaker 3: two or three tackles that everybody loves. That's a dozen players.

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Speaker 3: And so if you need a defensive player, you might

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Speaker 3: be able to get the best defender in the draft

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Speaker 3: with the eleventh pick of the draft. Which is crazy,

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Speaker 3: but I really think we could have ten straight offensive

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Speaker 3: players off the board.

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