WEBVTT - Scourge w/ Liza Lapira 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.320 These are our stories. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:30.280 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Mess Up, an 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:31.600 SVU podcast. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.879 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.279 We talk SVU, we talk crimes, we have guests, and 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.720 we're thrilled to be here week after week with you. 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.280 How are you, Kara, I heard you have something to 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.800 report on from the neighborhood neighborhood watch. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.640 Well, I'm good, I'm good. Let me. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.519 I'll just tell everybody. So my family, my entire family, 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.400 is recovering from COVID. We by the time this episode 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.880 comes out, we will be free and clear what we 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:56.760 back in the world. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.320 And and I don't know if you know how dressed 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.560 I was. Kara and I were supposed to meet at noon, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.880 and you probably know if you're a constant listener, if 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.919 you're new. Kara sends a Google cattle Nder invite before 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.520 we're even off the phone, talking about us meeting, so 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.840 you know time's going by. There's no answer, no answer. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.520 I grab my keys, and I'm running out the door. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.080 I'm imagining your whole family's stabbed to death on the floor. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.920 And then I got a report that you were sleeping, but. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.120 Yeah, sorry, I had fallen asleep and I had forgotten 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:30.600 that start. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.679 No, But then Lauren was like, I think she has COVID, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.720 and I was like, no, that makes more sense. But 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.080 to me, I'm like, she's murdered. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.240 Yeah, so my whole family's been recovering from very mild 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.520 cases of COVID thankfully. Like everybody's okay, no big deal. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:50.080 But I was recently walking with the kids in the 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.160 neighborhood just to get some fresh air. I was staying 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.760 away from people. Both my daughter and I were masked 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.080 or my son can't be masked, but he's also like 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.760 in a car seat, like blocked from everyone. So like 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.880 I didn't think I was being a menace to society, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.400 but I was in my neighborhood, like on side streets, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.520 not the major street. I cross over the street. I 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.120 see this guy jog by really fast. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.040 An athlete. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.600 Then suddenly my daughter's like, oh, my finger, like she 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.720 banged it on the air, you know, and was like 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.880 my finger, my finger, And so I'm talking to her, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.360 and this guy must have heard my voice because he 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.040 comes running back and he goes Kara and I'm like 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.280 searching his face, like do I know you? 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:27.840 And he's like, I'm listening. 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.800 To your podcast right now, tap class, and I was 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.920 like yeah, but in my mind I was it was 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.880 very flattering that this guy was like, I'm a fan, 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:36.800 big fan of the podcast. I wanted to talk to him, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.880 but I was also like I have. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.480 COVID, like don't come near me. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.120 But I didn't want to like be like stop, I'm flammable, 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.840 you know, So I just was very awkward, and in 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.840 case he's listening, I just wanted to say it was 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.640 nice to meet you and you were really nice, and 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:50.840 I'm sorry if I seemed weird. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:51.960 It was just I didn't want. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.960 You to be like, oh is this rosy and like 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.799 come into our bubble of germs. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:56.440 I know. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.480 I was like, carry you better have been nice. But 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.000 also I was like, how did he reckonize? 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.040 I was in sunglasses and a full y kN ninety 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.560 five and I was like, how does this mean recodite? 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.000 But I guess you know my voice talking to Rosie 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.640 telling her to cut the shit. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.480 I recently saw some a friend at a party and 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.760 I took off my sunglasses to say hello, and he 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.880 was like, you think I wouldn't have recognized you with 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.560 the sunglasses, But I don't know. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.840 I didn't think you would. But you have your taste. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:31.440 You're still eating, you're steaking case ideas, I'm still making. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.800 Case Adia's baby. Yeah, Like we're fine. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.320 It's just like it's honestly, it's very difficult with the 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.320 two kids, but it's less difficult than I thought it 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.760 would be. Like we're I'm on day like nine of 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.560 being in the house with them right now, and it's 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.640 we're okay. Like it's not ideal, but it's like I 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.320 am letting my daughter watch an incredible amount of television, but. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.520 Because it's because you're a bad mother. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.000 Yeah, right, So I don't know what else to do, 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.480 you know, Like what I mean truly, like we play, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.040 we go on a little walk, we try to go 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.320 in the backyard, but it's like it's a full fucking 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:05.560 day to fill with children. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.760 So I'm sure some people. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.840 Listening know my pain, because I'm sure some of you 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:10.920 have had COVID with children. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.200 But yeah, I feel like that's part of the gig. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.120 If you're a kid and you're sick, you get to 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.400 watch TV and yeah, like any popsicles or drink gatorade 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:19.760 or whatever. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.560 But she feels fine, so she's kind of like, what's 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.600 going on? Like why can't I go to school? Why 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.160 can't I see my friends? And why are you just 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.280 letting me watch TV all day? So hopefully it's not 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:30.880 going to be too bad of a transition when she 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.960 has to go back to school, which will be today. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.200 Actually today will be her first day back in school 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:36.960 the day this episode comes. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.560 Out, because we're in a time machine that was se Oh, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.000 and your brother is visiting. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.479 Yes, my brother is visiting and he's staying at a 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.159 hotel and we're going to be seeing him because we're 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.680 at the tail end of it, so I'll be seeing 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.000 him a little bit, and I'm excited. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.600 Yeah, he's a real jet setter. He comes out here 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:55.920 a lot. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.200 And I would like to mention I loved I didn't 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.240 watch the Super Bowl. I went out to dinner. I'm 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.800 kind of a cool girl like that, but I loved 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.120 the halftime show more than I ever could envision. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.080 Like I got chills. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.880 I literally was like wow, watching these men and people 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.560 I'm Mary J. But like watching Dre and Snoop together 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.120 friends for decades in. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.359 La, Like it was such an LA show. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.680 That was what was really cool about it, Like the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.560 Rams came out to Nipsey Hustle, Like there was just 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.680 like very la everything about it. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.240 And I loved the halftime show. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.480 Famously, I met fifty cent when I was a page 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:38.000 at NBC and I took him. I was escorting him, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.880 and all of our name tags said like your first 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.560 name and the first letter of your last name, so 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.760 like mine said Kara kay, yours would have said, li's 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.640 a tea. He I'm in the elevator with fifty cent 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.360 and he's like, karakay. You know that's a palindrome. And 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.359 I'm like, wow, fifty I never thought of that. And 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.320 then he started like he was like making a whole 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.599 thing about it. He was like Kara kay and like 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.719 making up a little song about it. And I was like, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.320 this is wild. But also a girl I went to 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.560 high school with sold fifty cents huge mansion in Connecticut 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.280 that had like twenty four rooms and like a stripper pole, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.039 like a stripper full strip stage, like you know, a 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.240 huge mansion. So got a couple connects to fifty but 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.359 not to name drop today Drop No, but yes, so 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:22.200 many good memes. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.640 I like the memes of him hanging upside down. I 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.440 like waiting until the men finish. I uh, the set, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.159 you know. I Also, it's usually pop stars, so it's 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.279 like bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, fire Fire, get a Lion. Yeah, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.120 And it was nice that it was kind of like chill. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.800 It was just about the hits and friendship. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.000 And I loved how it was staged. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:46.480 Yeah. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.400 Yes. And I loved that eminem you know, did it 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:51.320 and took a name. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.440 Yeah No, that was awesome. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.839 I was that's very like all that music is like 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.920 my college tie, like my high school and college tie. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.920 So it's like very part like I was like loving, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.960 loving it. It was one of the best I've seen in. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.960 A long time. I liked Shakira and j Loo. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.040 But besides that, it's like the Beyonce one from years 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.640 ago when the power went out. I guess, like I 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.960 don't know, like they've been really disappointing to me in 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.040 the past few years, so this. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.400 Was like a really good one. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.560 I think overall people are the sentiment seems to be 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.640 overall very positive. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.640 Yeah, unless you're like a child or a racist. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.640 You had a good time, I know. And I kept thinking, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.440 I'm not gonna look at Twitter. I can't handle if 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.720 it gets racist on Twitter. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:35.720 But and I've been listening to playlists because that genre 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.680 and time of music. I'm just I'm excited. I'm excited 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.520 for what my car rides are going to be sounding 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:42.880 like for the next Yeah too. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.160 Well that plus Yellowjackets, that's like a good time period. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.720 Yeah, So I've been listening to I got five on it. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.800 I did see the Jordan Peele trailer. It does look exciting. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.000 Yeah, Jared and I watched it this morning and he 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.400 was like, that looks fucking awesome, like he's so excited. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.560 Well, because we saw us together, I believe. And then 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.600 when I saw get Out, I was with a giant 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:03.160 group too. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.040 I was with Alison Levey and she was very scared. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:07.600 Oh my god. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.040 Yeah, she does not do horror movies. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:10.360 No. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.560 I get Out was an experience because I saw it 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.000 in LA when his when Jordan Peele's name came up, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.720 people clapped. And then when Lil Rel at the end 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.680 comes out, that was an experience in a movie theater. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:26.000 I'll never forget just people losing their minds with joy. Yeah, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.440 I don't know, it's yeah, cinematic, baby, I mean I 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.520 have to see Jackass. Am. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.680 I gonna wait for you. Am I going alone? I'll 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.280 go with you. I'm like, I'm literally at day ten, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:36.600 like tomorrow, I'll. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.720 Go with you. Yeah, I want to see Jackass. But 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:43.320 another super Bowl thing. I don't know the details or 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.439 the names, but a man who won the Super Bowl 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.199 his hospital was in the wife. His hospital was in 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.760 the wife, his wife I was drunk, okay, his wife 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.960 was in the hospital giving birth. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.360 Oh my god. Really, So this. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.200 Guy won the super Bowl and then it's him running 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.400 in the tunnels to like leave to go to the birth. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.280 That's that's like so crazy. It's like my husband went out. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.480 Yeah, Like my husband went out of town the weekend 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.320 before I was supposed to give birth. And my doctor 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.000 was like, it's fine, I bet your baby's not going 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:14.520 to come early. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.240 And it did it. You know, like those kind of things. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.680 You think like won't happen, and like that's that timing 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.040 is truly wild. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.960 Like that's ooh that poor lady. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.480 Yeah, but that's like such a fun night. Yeah, but 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:28.160 if you're her. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.760 You're like, Oh, my body's being ripped apart, and I 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.000 could be at the super Bowl celebrating with my husband. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:33.880 He does not even hear. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.280 Would you rather super Bowl? Would you rather sit really 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.120 really close or be in a box? 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:45.600 Ooh, I think box because I don't care about the game. Yeah, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.439 Like I want you know, I want the good food 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.000 and like I want yeah, like I I also want 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.880 to be able to like talk and not have anyone 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.480 get mad at me. Oh yeah, right, Like I mean, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.760 I think football is so slow You've got to be 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.400 able to talk during it. It's not like it's It's 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:01.840 not like it's tennis. I would never talk at a 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.160 tennis match, you know what I mean, like where it's 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.200 like quiet, but like football takes forever. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:07.800 I don't know. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.640 Yeah. Also, what do you think about the Olympics with 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.599 Shikari and then the Russian. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.319 Do you mean the difference like how the Russian's allowed 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.680 to play yeah skate? 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.680 Yeah, fucked up? But like also is that like who 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:23.880 said Shakari. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.520 Wasn't allowed to the Olympics for the Olympic committee, Yeah, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.040 they banned her. They were like, myye, bitch, and then 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.360 this girl was allowed and apparently she medals. What sucks 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.560 is that if she medals, apparently there's not even allowed 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.680 to be a medal ceremony, So like, if you medal, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.319 you're even taking away that ceremony from two other athletes 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:41.520 that work their whole lives for this. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:42.480 Yeah for what? 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.520 Like what what kind of hole does Russia have on 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:46.120 the Olympics? 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.880 And she's fifteen, she'll be at another Olympics. She'll probably 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.240 be another two, Like. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.840 I know for sure. I just I like a Winter Olympics, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.079 like I never thought it makes me actually want to 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:04.840 maybe no, no, actually skate, I was gonna say snowboard. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.360 But I love that we've seen little ginger boy his 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:08.960 whole life. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.160 Yeah, yeah, and he's dating me up Dobrev. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.160 Now isn't that cute? It is cute. I mean, yeah, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:15.760 I don't know. 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.440 Her to care about her, but they seem really in love, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.000 That's all I'm saying. And I and I judge that 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.600 by my close relationship with them via Instagram. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.720 Wait, I am sorry I will be name dropping in 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.840 this introduction as well. But one time I was in 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.720 an elevator and I turned to a guy and I went, hey, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.440 you look like that Olympian and he goes, I am 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.199 and I went congrats, dude, and it was Apollo on 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:44.120 No speed Skater, So that was thrilling for me. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.120 I was like when I went up to that guy 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.600 Michael Battalucho or whatever, and was like, you look like 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.319 that guy from the practice, and he's like, I am 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:51.840 that guy. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:52.440 I am. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:52.880 Oh. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.000 And we didn't even mention Mary J. Blige because we 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.520 were so into the California of it all. But I 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.320 told him I was like, I couldn't stop staring at 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.600 her thighs, and he goes, yeah, the world was looking 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.480 at her thighs, like You're not alone. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.360 The mine of her outfit was to draw your eyes 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:08.240 to the thighs. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.319 Yeah, draw your eyes to the thighs. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.439 That's a rule of Cultureless culture says, we need to 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.679 make our own rules of culture. What do we do? 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.320 What do we say? The prize are in the eyes? 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.439 What did you say? Your eyes are drawn to the thighs. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.200 Your eyes are drawn to the thighs. I like that. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.720 I like that so much. I said something todayana FaceTime 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.920 with a friend that they really really liked. I said 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.480 something like, I'm obsessed with that person, and I was like, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.520 I don't have another choice, and then they said why 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.400 and I go, well, because I would have been jealous, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:41.720 so it might as well just be a fan. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.880 That's so true. Choose fandom, choose fandom. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.880 I was like, if I wasn't obsessed with her, I 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.200 would be jealous, So yeah, might as well give her 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:52.760 all my money. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:58.920 I don't know, ye, yeah, no other way, no other way. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.440 We have huge news. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.920 All right, guys. It's the moment that many of you 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:06.960 have been waiting. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.720 For if you live on only one part of the country. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.400 But we are very excited to announce. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.880 Lisa always tries to do a drum roll, but it's 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.160 always snapping you. Oh, whenever you try to do a 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.400 drum roll at snapping. Guys, We're going on tour. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.679 We're so going. Yeah, we're so excited. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.000 If you go to That's messed Up Live dot com, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.160 that will take you to a page with all the 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:42.200 ticket links. We're going to be doing shows in Los Angeles, Tempe, Arizona. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.679 Seattle, Portland, San. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:50.200 Diego, and Denver and Irvine, Southern California. So we're gonna 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.880 be a little bit all over the West, the Pacific Northwest. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.440 We're excited and this is just you know, our first 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.240 tour hopefully and hopefully we'll be east soon and so 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.920 come and buy tickets and come see us, and we're 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.800 gonna have an awesome show for you guys live. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:07.760 Yeah, we're excited. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.760 If you're we don't know what we're doing yet, but 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:14.679 we'll figure it out by then. No, it's really thrilling. 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.120 And if you have I mean, don't be annoying about it, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.040 but if you have some suggestions or hardcore requests of 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.240 what you'd like to see from us, as long as 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.400 it's not taking off our clothes, send us a message, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.120 send us a message, because I'm yeah, but I'm thrilled. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:30.680 We got to get some outfits going. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.720 Even if you have people that don't listen to the pod, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.680 maybe try to bring them, Like, we really want to 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.520 sell tickets so that we can come to more cities. Basically, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.280 so support us and come see us live. And we 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.680 want to meet you guys, cause Lisa's gotten to meet 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:44.440 a lot of you out on. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:45.240 Her stand up stuff. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.440 I'm not touring us touring stand up as hardcore as 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.200 she is, so I'm excited to meet a lot of 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:49.600 you guys. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.200 Yeah, we're we're to go and I do the meet 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.960 and greets after we will talk to you guys. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.040 So we have nothing to you know, we'll be there. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:01.080 We'll take some. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.160 Shots we have to do in Tempe, and we're gonna be. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.520 But yeah, you'll see all the artwork and all the stuff, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.800 and it's like, it's fucking cool. We're doing it. We're 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.720 a hip podcast that's out on the road. Baby. Yeah. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.840 So there's more details on our socials and that's messed 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:19.840 up live dot com. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:27.320 All right, should we start today's episode? It's a good one. Yeah, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:27.880 all right. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.680 Hello, Okay, we've already said hello, my bad. Okay, all right, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.440 so we're gonna get started. I don't know. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:41.720 Scourge, scorgeg scourge, What does that mean? Scourge? 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:46.160 I think technically means to burn, like it's like to 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:47.120 burn something. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.280 But okay, that makes sense, that makes sense. 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.160 But something that's a scourge is like something that's like 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.640 a blight, like a horrible thing, you know. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.480 I don't know. Well, you shouldn't have used the word blight. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.120 That definitely put us two steps back. I was I 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.520 was on track though, I was season two, so that's exciting. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:08.520 Episode twenty one. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.920 It is the season finale, so you know it's gonna 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.280 be jam packed. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.080 Also, I read this little tedbit online that this is 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.440 the final episode before nine to eleven because like this 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.720 this aired in May, so this is the last episode 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.440 where you see the twin Towers in the credits. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.080 Just a little sidbit. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.680 That is a very good TIDDAYESX in the City had 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.800 to change a lot of things, definitely. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.160 Wait, did I ever tell you that? 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.440 Like literally a week before nine to eleven, home depot 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.960 had this sticky wallpaper and my friends and I put 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.560 up a full skyline in our college living room of 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.760 New York City, and then a week later was nine 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:44.880 to eleven, So. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.920 You take it down? 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:47.560 We didn't take it down the whole year. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.360 We were like our twin towers are still standing, and 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.400 people would come into our room and be like whoa. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.480 Like everybody was like, this is a lot. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.400 Did anyone draw a plane? And like pretend? No. No, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.520 we didn't do anything to fresh. It was too fresh. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.880 I have done something disrespectful before. When our friends, the Joyces, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.679 were leaving Chicago, we did a big going away party 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.160 and I don't remember what, but there was a nine 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:17.360 to eleven themed poster. But I ca're there were people fall. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.000 It wasn't good We'll ask, We'll ask. It was not 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.200 in good taste, and it was in marker. I think 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:24.800 they threw that one out. I don't think they kept 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.840 that one for memories. So, you know, it opens on 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.800 an I at first thought wealthy, and then I changed 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.399 my mind, but an educated couple. I'm wearing tan and 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.520 beige trench codes crossing a sexy New York street. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.919 She's like, oh, let's play is fucking shitty. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:41.399 I'm done. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.600 I'm done with these plays. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.239 And he goes, it was nominated for a Tony and 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:46.960 she goes, yeah, that's why I didn't win. Now I 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.120 know why, and love that. You could tell they've maybe 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.960 been married for a while. So he goes, what about 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.680 your shitty cooking shows and she says, well, they don't 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.800 cost seventy five dollars a ticket, So that's why I 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.960 was like, Oh, they're not rich, but maybe a Columbia professor, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.520 you know, like in the upper middle class. Yeah, we 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.640 don't even. We've never seen these people. Again, I don't 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.359 know why I'm analyzing them. So fuck these people. So 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.600 then this guy in a hood bumps into the man 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.240 knocking him off his feet for a moment. He runs 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.720 into a cab. He's a mess, he's limping, he's out 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.840 of control. He disappears. The wife goes, oh, no, look 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.959 at your coat. Husband is covered in blood, covered in blood, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.600 and he's holding a playbill, which what a great props department. Yeah, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.640 what a great props department. So that was very exciting. 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.159 Back to the blood. What smells? Oh my god? And 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.240 then they see there's a fire scourged near the trash, 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.439 so they go to investigate. And now it's time for 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:46.920 all the detectives to show up. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.760 So what is the fire? What's going on? 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.080 Stabler's in a baseball hat, Benson's talking to the trench 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.520 coat duo, and they got to work with a sketch artist. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.520 So then Benson and Stabler are working and saying the 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.879 fire was a sex worker who got burned. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.200 So did she pick up the wrong john? What's going on? 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.879 And then we get a fire department chief that is 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.080 so old he should have retired maybe forty five years ago. Like, 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.880 I don't even know if he can handle the coat. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.040 It looks so heavy on him. There's no way this 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.359 man is still working. But he's the chief. So he says, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.240 the bad guy put garbage on her and set that 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.240 on fire, so that sucks. He said, if the fire 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:23.919 house wasn't right around the corner, that she would have 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.639 like fully burnt to death, but because they were so close, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.399 they were able to preserve the body. So bad news, 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.560 Melinda Warner, tons of bad news. She's crouched over the body. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.280 We get genitals or mutilated fluid present. Fifty percent of 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.480 our body burns. And then her throat is slit from 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.560 ear to ear and then she's fillayed from torso to genitals, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.560 and then they go butchered and barbecued, and it's like, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.840 did we have to? You know, did we have to? 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.080 They make that joke all the time. They're always like, 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.960 first he got toasted, then he got roasted. Like they're 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.560 always making little jokes when. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.040 It's the fire, when it's the guy, you know, when 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.440 it's a sex worker covered in garbage. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.920 No, in another episode, there was a guy running around 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.440 member covered burning and they were like, first he got 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.159 to and his alcohol level was high, and they were 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.800 like toasted and then roasted like the love. They love 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.639 a butcher, they love a barbecue pun. Yeah, yeah, you're right, right. 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.480 You're right. So now we're back from the credits. The 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.120 credits happen after a butcher and barbecue, just a nice 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.000 killer bit before we get into it. So we're back. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.399 We're talking to the street vendor that the man bounced into. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:35.200 He was preaching some religious gibberish and no more information. 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.720 The sex worker, though, is a regular. Her name is 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.880 Cassie and she is known well in the community. Munch 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.760 and Fins show up, and you know, they all gossip 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.040 and disperse to go do their jobs. So the boys 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.480 go to the souvenir shop to ask some questions about 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.719 the man who is in there earlier, and he goes, oh, yeah, 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.880 he was weird and he had a beard. He asked 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.720 for water, but he sent him to the deli. But 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:59.960 first he picked up a magazine and ripped it open 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.000 and was yelling, and so the guy beat the shit 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.120 out of him with a statue of liberty, which I love. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.040 So he hit him with a Lady liberty. Is that 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.560 not a metaphor for New York City? 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:13.200 I don't know what else, because he reached into his coat, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.000 so he got scared. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.440 So that's where the limping's coming from. Getting beaten by 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:21.160 this statue, and the detectives take the statue and the 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.439 you know, the magazine for evidence, and the guy's like, 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.000 that's thirty dollars and it's like, bro, write it off. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.200 You know what I mean, Write it off, Write it off, honey. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.360 So we're back in the squad room. We're Stabler Benson Kragan. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.520 We find more information about Cassie. She's twenty three. And 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.560 then the purp was white with a dark coat and 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:45.240 under the influence. Finn says, maybe PCP. Sadly, no prints, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.320 not from the peanuts stand, not from souvenirs, no matching 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.600 prints in the system, from anything any Did you ever 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.200 buy peanuts in the streets of New York? 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:55.919 Oh yeah, I like the little sweet ones. 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.880 You're a peanut girl. I love the smell. But I've 0:21:57.920 --> 0:21:59.239 never jumped and did it. 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.200 Would probably say I did it five times in eleven years, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:03.480 Like I wouldn't do it all the time, but I 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:04.800 would do it once in a while and be like, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.080 you know what, I got three bucks burning a hole 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.200 in my pocket, I'll buy like ten peanuts. 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.919 I'm trying to think I actually didn't do the street 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:17.040 vendors as much as I pictured in my fantasy. 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:17.399 Yeah. 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.880 I mean I became a vegetarian four years into living 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.960 in New York, so I really didn't do hot dogs 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:23.520 very much. 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.119 Well, I'm a Chicago girl. The hot dogs in New 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:26.840 York are trash. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:27.280 Come for me. 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.560 I don't give a shit. It's not pure beef. They're skinny. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.119 They suck, got it. I want a fat beef dog. 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.880 Okay, mm hm, put that on a shirt. I want 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:37.960 a fat beef dog. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:45.439 Merch. No, I would get schwarma meat meat. Yeah, I 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.520 see myself getting meats. I would get an egg and 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.240 cheese or a coffee on the way to something. Sometimes, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.760 m most so many bodega but I've never the peanuts 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:56.760 one time. One time, I will all right, where are we? 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:00.920 I always get distracted with New York goodness and snacks 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:05.520 always a distraction for me. So Benson and Stabler go 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.040 check up on the autopsy, and Munch and Finn are 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.960 gonna go talk to Cassie's coworkers on the street. So 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:12.720 Munch she gives one of the girls coffee and they 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.840 actually brought seventeen dollars worth of coffee and donuts from 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.800 the girls. And he said, if that's not respect, I 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:19.320 don't know what. 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:21.560 Is in two thousand and one. That's a lot of 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:22.480 coffee and donuts. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.240 Yeah. I brought my parents donuts quickly today and my 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.800 dad was disappointed. I didn't bring a whole dozen. And 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.399 it's like, you did just have heart surgery, relaxed. Yeah, 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.280 I brought you four donuts. That's enough. Okay, that's enough. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.720 My mom goes he wanted a box. I go, well, 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:45.320 you got a bag. You got a bag. So, uh, 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.320 you know, they give the scoop. They give the scoop 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.119 on the guy that they saw Cassie go away with 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.720 beard again, crazy eyes. They talked a moment the name 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:54.679 of the purpose Daniel, and one of them did have 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.439 a bad feeling, but you know, she laughed and Cassie 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.960 said I could take care of myself and yeah, and 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:02.679 then how was that? 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:05.560 Now, who's going to take care of her little girl? 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.320 So, which is just sad, and they like, never we 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.280 never see the little girl. We never find the answer 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:12.959 to that. They just like throw in an extra bit 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:14.800 of sadness. They're like, oh, she had a kid. 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:15.399 Moving on. 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.040 Well, yeah, because as a society, I feel like we 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.520 treat a lot of people that work on the street 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:27.000 as like, so dispensable, disposable, not mattering, but you should 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:28.280 matter just for being a person. 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.200 But it's nice to speak like No. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.600 Now people will miss her and she had value in 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.680 this planet. And yeah, why am I fighting with someone 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.520 that didn't even say anything to me? Okay, we're now 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:46.560 at Melinda's house aka the Morgue. So forty two stab wounds? 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:50.679 Are you fucking kidding me? Are you kidding me? Slits? 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.800 One blood type double a edge serrated on each side, 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.000 knife six inches long. This happened in a frenzy, a 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.320 real feever dream, not planned or methodical in any way. 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.720 And what we leave Melinda's and we're back at the precinct. 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.959 Craigan says he's got something. The seamen found in her 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.560 was in the sex offender database, so that's good. It's 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.919 in Staten Island. Eh, that's a problem. So Stabler is 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:16.720 taking coats off a coat pole. 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.080 Have you ever noticed this coat area in the precinct before? 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:20.760 No? 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:21.639 I don't think I have. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.040 Yeah, if not a coat hook, because but like a 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.040 pole of hooks like you would have at a school 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:32.280 play we got out for the parents or something. But no, 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.960 I never noticed. I never have noticed them grabbing coats before, 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.040 so that was just a nice little treat for those 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.720 who did notice. And he did great object work, you know, 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.600 playing with the hangars. So they're taking They're gonna go 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.960 figure out this DNA stuff. Talk to the guy. The 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.480 journey shows up. I don't think this is the guy? Okay? 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:50.879 Am I going to talk about him less? 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:51.040 No? 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.840 So a man in a hard hack goes, oh, hey, Norm, 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.679 you know the cops are here. Norm not happy. It's hot. 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:02.720 Norm's hot them. He starts, and they teased that Finn 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.240 was in a car, so we obviously know that Finn 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.200 will now trap him. They will arrest him. He screams, 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.239 I didn't do it, and why are you running? This 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:15.320 is classic classic take a drink, But he is confused. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:16.080 About the murder charge. 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:17.960 He goes, whatever, I picks up a horse, so what 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.560 And it's like it's against your parole, big boy, Like, 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.720 you can't be doing that shit. But he's denying doing 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.000 any of the slicing and dicing. He said he paid 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.919 her and left no murder, and then uh oh, another 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.240 victim was murdered last night, so they have to go 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:33.120 back to the streets. 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:34.720 The roommate came home and found her. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.159 The cop that they meet on the scene of the crime, 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.239 he said he spent fourteen years on the job and 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:44.760 this is the first body that made him puke. The 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:48.399 perp did a real number on her. So there's a 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:50.359 lot of blood. It doesn't look I don't like the 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:54.000 way it looks dead. Twelve hours he slits the throat 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.200 so they can't scream again. You know, we learned that 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.040 that's a signature. I guess Benson's like, what do you 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.639 think's wrong with this guy? And Stabler goes, yeah, he 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.639 thinks he's Jack the Ripper, So you know, I love that. 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.200 Not Jack the Ripper, but you know when they mentioned 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.160 real crimes. Now we're back at the office and Cabot's 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.520 mad about something to Cragan. YadA YadA, Suspect Cragan, get 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.120 us a warrant, YadA yah. You know that's the classic 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.959 fight tayl as old as time. The das and the 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.560 cops just fighting it out who can break the rules 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.280 or get evidence faster or more so. We see Munch 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.520 and he is now filling in with the idea of 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:30.520 victim number two. 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.000 Her name is Teresa Folsom. 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.600 She's twenty four and she's a publicist in the publishing 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.919 world for books, and he's bringing coffee to the roommate 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.280 and she is crying hard. I feel like this is 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:44.000 the first time in the history of SVU that a 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:49.320 person looks accurately upset at what's happening. She's not you know, 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:54.480 putting stickers on a caon, she's not rearranging shelves, she's 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:55.960 not organizing receipts. 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.280 Like yeah, especially young people. 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.240 I feel like when it's young people, like roommates in 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.880 their twenties, it's usually like, who's gonna pay the other 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.480 half of my rent? I can't afford this place alone, 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.879 or like like really insensitive shit. 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.159 I didn't even know her check her stuff. 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.760 She was kind of Yeah, this girl's really sad and 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.840 actually having a human reaction. 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.640 No, this scene really took me by storm. 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.480 I like focused on it because I was like, I 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.119 think this might be the first time a witness cries 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.880 or looks upset or holds her head or like likes 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:33.399 her friend who's dead and disappeared. So yeah, she's not like, 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.800 actually I have class to get to like I Yes. 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.680 So I'm really impressed with the acting and the choices 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:45.160 made here. Standout performance, crying, and she's she's like apologizing 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.800 for crying, and she's fighting with her hair and face 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.120 like she is really stressed about it. She's giving details 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.960 that Teresa went home early from a party and Rebecca 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.120 stayed at her boyfriend's house. So Teresa went home, Rebecca 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.760 stayed out the leaps at her boyfriends. Munch was asking 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.640 if she was a sex worker, and she turns on him, 0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.040 my best friend is dead and I don't have to 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:08.840 listen to this. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.000 And they're like, girl, no offense. 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.080 We're just figuring stuff out, like we were on the 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:14.600 side of the sex workers. 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.840 But they are only are they only asking if she's 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:18.920 a sex worker because of how she's dressed, because she 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.920 was dressed to go clubbing, right. I think it's because 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.600 the first one was because the first one was a 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.880 sex worker too, okay. Yeah, and maybe the outfit tipped 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:28.440 it off, but I think it was just like a 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.040 Jack the ripper pattern, m okay. 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.320 So they're like trying to put pieces together. 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.480 She said no, Actually, Teresa had a boyfriend in Boston 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.680 and she was not promiscuous. It would not pick up 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.160 a guy, and she is squeaky clean. They confirm not 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.640 even a traffic ticket, but maybe she doesn't have a license. 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.240 But whatever, Okay, Bence, that's always like such a. 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.560 What if there was Like whoa she has like forty 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:54.560 traffic tickets? 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:59.520 She deserved to get murdered. This girl is a good point. 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:01.120 Does we know how to feed the meter? 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:01.760 Oof? 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.760 Such a good point. Benson, though, still thinks it's plausible 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.360 for this guy in custody to have done two murders 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.480 that they have and I don't buy it, Like I 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.520 just don't see it. But two murders and enough time 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:18.200 to catch the Staten Island ferry on the way home, 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.320 and Munch comes in with the science to be like no, no, no, no. 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.000 Blood found at the recent murder scene does not match 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:26.720 this guy we have in custody. So Stabler's still like 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:28.920 let's book him on a parole violation and let's get 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:29.440 back to work. 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.040 Or it's like let the guy go. He just had sex, 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.120 Like let's let him go, like. 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.640 He paid for it, he was safe. 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:38.880 Yeah, Lee, you're right, I agree with you. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.520 But like Finn is like, maybe he's done this before 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.520 in other places? Is this a foreshadow or a throwaway 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.840 away line? We'll see, But they're gonna see if there's 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.040 an mo somewhere else that's happening. Bead WoT comes in 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.200 and starts giving a role up, like I feel like 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.280 we're in a play or a book report. You know, 0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.800 every the audience, there's all the whole squad is paying 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:04.160 it to. So George's George Kwang's analysis is this guy 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.400 comes out at night, he attacks prostitutes or women who 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:11.560 he thinks are prostitutes. Much brings up the ripper again. Uh, 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:16.000 and Craigan goes, shut up and listen to George. I 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:17.680 can't tell if I made that up or not, but 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:22.800 I like it. And he says the guy might suffer 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.040 from schizophrenia. They ask what's up with the fire, and 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:30.160 George is getting devil vibes, hell vibes, like pure vibes. 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.160 You know, was he drunk or high or just schizophrenia, 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:38.960 mentally ill since child or adulthood. Maybe he's been institutionalized 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.920 in the past, He's not been able to keep a job. 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:47.600 He lives alone, strong religious delusions and voices, impulsive, disorganized, 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.960 unpredictable and will not stop until you stop him. 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:51.560 Who. 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.000 So that was a nice rundown from George and Cabot 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.160 comes in with papers and Okay, now I don't know 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.200 why I hate her so much, but she comes in 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:02.720 with the newspaper because I do love her and I 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.480 love her short haircut here and I'm obsessed. But they 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.120 are annoying. The DA's annoy me in this show, and 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:10.360 maybe because they always. 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:11.760 Run in and they're just like, well, the media has 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.960 the story, now what are you guys even fucking doing? 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.800 And it's like they're literally it's body after body. They 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.760 just found the second body, like you know, they're. 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:19.320 Working on it. 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.040 And if this was any other police department or show, 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:23.320 I would go fuck the police. 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.040 But you know, our squad's working. 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.720 Hard, like our our babies do, not like lazy it 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.000 up stablers and has seen his children in weeks. 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.400 Okay, like they're fucking working. 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:37.760 But you know, the newspapers are calling him the night 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:42.680 ripper and the community is scared. So now they're still 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.320 trying to find the cab from up top that like 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.640 he bumped into and there was like a fight situation. 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.000 Maybe he wasn't a cab. They're looking for this cab. 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.720 I wasn't sure where this cab fit in, but there's 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.880 a cab and there's evidence and this lead's gonna go. 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.080 They found it. They found it. So the cab driver 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.680 they look at the the paper and this is like 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.320 the eighteen hundreds that there's not even a computer in sight, 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:09.080 like everyone's logging everything in with paper, and his reported 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.720 wages don't match the mileage that he wrote in on 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.760 so they have to go talk to him. 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:15.120 They visit the driver. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:19.200 It's the apartment of siko Obeg and I said that correctly, 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.160 and they're talking to him on May second, So shout 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.440 out to my friend Alex Crawley and my niece. 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:25.840 May second is their birthday. 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:31.440 So they ask for information and he's lying and saying 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.160 he doesn't know, he doesn't know, but he's got to 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.120 admit it. And basically he lets his cousin drive to 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.120 make extra money to send back home. 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:40.320 And he picked up the killer. 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.560 But they were breaking the rules so they couldn't like 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.920 say or do anything about it. But his cousin saw 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.840 the bloody clothes and face and that the man ducked 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.840 when the cops strove by, so he is in his 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.040 right not right frame of mind. But if you're hiding 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.040 from the cops, you know what you're doing is wrong, 0:33:58.760 --> 0:33:59.120 So I. 0:33:59.080 --> 0:33:59.959 Think that's a clue. 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.000 And the cousin says, he was like very scared of 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.440 this man Daniel, like he was scared, medium high, wild eyes, 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:11.480 bushy beard. So same description that we've been getting. So 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.960 he went downtown and he paid with a bloody twenty 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.600 and didn't wait for change, and they're like give us 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.040 the money. He goes, I already spent it. Who's accepting 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.160 bloody twenty dollar bills? I am not sure? Would you 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:27.160 take a bloody twenty? No, I wouldn't, but I guess 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.800 maybe he washed it off. You can like wash dollar bills. 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.720 I don't know. Wild Now we're trying to get evidence 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.200 from the cab, but it's like how many people have 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:35.200 been in and out of this cab? 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:36.280 Like what are we gonna find? 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.399 But they do the luminol thing with the blue light 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.680 and there is blood, but fuck Jack strikes again, so 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.680 that's a bummer. So they have to run and they 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.640 end up at this like pinball machine place game stooled. 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.200 It's a fun bar, fun bar. A man is bleeding 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.759 on a stretcher, so calm. I just like don't understand. 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.080 Usually they're like being wheeled away and they could barely talk. 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.480 This guy's bleeding from his gut fully and just upright 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.720 having like very long conversations with everyone. 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.080 Details. 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.640 Yeah, he is not phased by being stabbed in the 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:13.200 fucking stomach, So he's chatting it up. He's uh so 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.000 what he says is he's washing his hands in the 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.840 bathroom and this is gonna get bad. So a kid 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.440 is at the urinal and this crazy guy comes in 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.400 running screaming about machines controlling people, slits. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:24.960 The boy's throat. 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.279 Oh my god, so just like that, like he just 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.000 came in and slit this boy with no thought, Like 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:35.000 that's scary. So this guy is a fucking hero. Tried 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.280 to grab the knife, attacked this guy. This guy stabbed 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.960 him in the stomach. The dad came in and ran 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.320 straight towards the kid like didn't see what was happening 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.720 because he was so focused on his child being slit 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.200 on the face. Like that's even more traumatic, I bet, 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.000 But so he since he doesn't pay attention, and the 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.000 guy is like yelling and trying to warn him, but 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:59.400 too late, and the guy stabs the daddy and slits 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:00.479 his neck as well. 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:02.520 So daddy's son next slits. 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.279 Craigan says, Huang is on the way and he can 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.000 do better profiling on the scene, and there's so much blood. 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.640 It is not good. Yeah, it's a really and then. 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.839 This is really sad and this kind of sticks with 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:18.680 me always. But like the mom of the murdered son 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:24.000 and husband is like Kolmato's like truly like is in 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:28.040 a trance, very high levels of acting, like tears are 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.680 wells in the eyes but not dropping. It's just like 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.279 a pretty incredible but she is sad, not in the 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.319 fright right frame of mind. She's she keeps talking about, well, 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.040 I got a taken, we got a pack, We're going 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.400 back to Oregon. It's like, you're not going to Oregon, honey, 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.560 you're staying here. So and the kids so sad. He 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.759 lived two minutes like bleeding out. Oh my god, I 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.279 don't even think I caught that detail. No, yeah, two 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.520 minutes bleeding Oh. And it is the same knife. And 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.720 now we learn not targeting sex workers. So four victims 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:01.319 in twenty four hours, and it's scary because it's a 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.600 serial killer. You can't profile because he's acting at random. 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:09.719 The city is scared and like they're all chatting. The 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.160 reward is up to one hundred thousand dollars. Any tips 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.799 to get him. There's like fifty plus cops. People are 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.400 coming on their days off. They're gonna get over time. 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.320 And Craigan says, we will take every single tip. Seriously, 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.239 let's go, let's solve this crime. So everyone disperses and 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.760 has assignments except for Stabler, and he's upset. He's like, Daddy, Craigan, 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.080 why don't I get an assignment? This is my case. 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.320 And Craigan goes, I need someone to trust in charge 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.799 while I'm with the bosses, so you know, and now 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.600 he feels good about himself. He gets a little hall 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:43.000 monitor sash. So the mom comes in from fresh crying 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.840 and she's still confused and is like, hey, we are moving. 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.040 We have to sell our house. And it's like, I 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.239 hope you get back to reality or keep living in 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:54.560 this delusional state. I mean, either one seems terrible. Which 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.839 one's worse? Not sure. We'll put up a poll. Would 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.080 you rather know your family is dead and be sad 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:00.920 or live in a in a home? 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.680 Yeah, she's in like a fugue state or something. She 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.080 just seems like she's like yeah, we got to finish 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.040 the stuff that we like. It's really it is really 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:12.799 good acting. I'm very sad for her. 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:17.200 Yeah, they want her to snap into it, but she collapses. 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.440 She collapses into Stabler, cries and Stabler goes, hey, go 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:23.359 with this cup, so he gets rid of her. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:24.799 He's not in the mood for that, right, He's like, 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.480 you'll get you a sandwich or whatever you need. Yeah, like, 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:33.560 I hope it's a good one. 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.520 Kathy calls, of course, and Stabler says, I just like 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.920 to hear her, you know your voice. So that was sweet. 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:45.360 Munches is with Melinda blah blah blah. Transfer evidence. We 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.480 get a sixty forty cottonwool blend found in all the places, 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.400 so he's been wearing the same thing when he's killed 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:54.680 all four victims. So clues. You know, Melinda's rich with clues. 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.520 Craigan runs to a bunch of the detectives and says, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.239 we just got a call from a disturbing. It's in 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.359 Washington Square Park and civilians are holding a guy they 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.279 think is the guilty man because he was raving about 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.080 religious shit and they beat the shit out of him. 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:12.520 So very Richard Ramirez, the communities taking control and they're 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.879 bringing this guy in, except it's not the guy at all. 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.200 Finn goes, you see this guy beard and hair, you morons, 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.319 and like this is a bald, clean shaven man, and 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.000 one of the guys is like, hey, shaved it off. 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.759 But I just love Finn being funny here. It really 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.319 made me happy. And I love how all of them 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.800 have queens and Staten Island vibes. But we're in Washington 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:38.680 Square vibe. We're like, what was it? You know, maybe well, 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.719 maybe they're all doing construction in the Neighborhodsah. 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:42.640 It's like, I don't think the NYU students are a 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:43.239 part of the mob. 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:47.840 You know, I love Washington Square Park. 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:48.839 No, me too. 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:50.800 But you're also going to see more than one person 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.560 ranting about religion loudly in Washington Square Park. You gotta 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.239 check the you gotta check the one the sketch, you know, 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:57.319 like you can't just. 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.560 Yeah, no, you can actually pick one of your favorite 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:06.840 pigeon people. There's multipless, multiple pigeon people hang in a 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.360 lot of a lot of drums, a lot of plastic 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.960 bucket drums, a lot of fountains, a lot of people 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.239 filming Man on the streets. It's a really a lot 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.080 of dominoes, chess, skateboards. 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.680 Ugh, it's I was a planted man on the street 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.880 in Washington Square Park once, of course, like for like 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.719 a gum thing like commercial with this other comedian and 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.440 I had to pretend like I was just a person 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:29.359 he was walking up too. 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.960 Yeah, I mean Washington Square Park because it's like pretty 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.840 but in the middle of stuff, but there's not trains nearby, 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:37.960 so it is like serene. 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.040 But I do like it there. It feels very it's 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:43.399 just very iconic New York. 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:45.960 Yeah. You know, I was listening to Alana Glazer on 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:47.600 a podcast and that's where she. 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:48.280 Met her husband. 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:52.000 Oh really yeah, Like he was walking by and in 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.560 her head she was like, who is that hottie? And 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.000 then she didn't really go talk to him for whatever reason, 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.640 but they made eye contact and then he walked back 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:03.480 around and they talked set up a day and you know, 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.080 ano they're married with a child. 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.160 So with a little baby. 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.040 She's so cute. So shout out to meeting love in 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:14.400 the park. So we're back from Washington Square Park reminiscing, 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.240 and we're back to the murder do you guys, remember, 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.360 So they're gonna arrest all the people for assaults. 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.800 So that's good. But much understands. 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.800 He goes, people are scared, and when people are scared, 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.840 they do strange things. So now we're back at the priestcingcs. 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:30.120 Everyone's tired. It's nighttime. It's four am, Stabler says, and 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.040 he's letting people go to sleep, but not at home 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.160 but in the cribs. So you know, Finn goes, you 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.279 don't have to ask me twice a man after my 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.840 own heart. So he's gonna get a couple hours because 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.400 that's my schedule right now. I'm like sleeping. Well, I 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.960 slept from like four to seven and then from ten 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.759 to eleven forty five today. That's been my sleeping schedule. 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.239 It's not good. I will die of a heart attack anyways, 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.560 not on wood. But if Lady Gaga can do it, 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.560 I can do it. That's what I always say. It's like, 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.360 you dream of being success. Well, well guess what successful 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.600 people don't do. Sleep. They don't sleep. They don't sleep. 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:09.480 They gotta do radio. Honey. Oh I talked to I 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.480 didn't you know, Michelle Collins radio show, and she was 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.880 saying while she was in London. A man was following 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.319 her and she couldn't lose him, and she started screaming 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.480 and a man from up in an apartment building said 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.680 do you need help, and came down and him and 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:24.200 his girlfriend walked her all the way home. 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.200 Wow, yeah, I didn't know. 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.160 I mean, I've been following her European adventures very closely. 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.560 I guess she didn't post about that. That's terrifying. 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.200 No, we just talked about it, and I don't even 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:37.719 know how it came up. But I think people just 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.200 talk to me about murder and rape now and yeah, 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.359 any sort of assaults that go on or creeps that 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.160 they find. But then they also think we're an encyclopedia. 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.160 They're like, you know about this case, and it's like 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:54.960 not unless no, get away from it. I know stuff. Benson, though, 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:56.799 of course, doesn't want to sleep. She's a martyr to 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.279 the cause, she's too pissed to sleep, so she she 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.040 offers help. So they're going through bunches of tips and 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.600 papers and they're going through it and there's a little 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.319 tense moment where Benson's reading them out loud and Sailor says, 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.360 you don't have to read them out loud, and she's like, Wow, 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.839 someone's in a mood, and I feel like this is 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.200 something that could happen to us. Yeah. 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.359 I don't really like to have people read things out 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:18.759 loud to me. I'm like, can you just show it 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:20.480 to me, like show me the paper or email it 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:21.799 to me? Like, I don't want to be read to 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.080 Oh I thought that, No, you would be reading it 0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.359 out loud. I don't like to be read out loud too, 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:27.719 So I'm sorry if I've done that to you. 0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.160 No, oh, because I don't care, but because I'm just 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.680 remembering her mot like you like to I bet you'd 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.000 be like, oh, he was found here. Okay. 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.000 Well well no, A quick little detail is fine. Reading 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.120 a sentence or two is fine. When someone's like, okay, 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:41.920 here's two paragraphs on it, I. 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:42.279 Don't like that. 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.160 I'm like, can you just send it over? I really 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.120 don't want to be like, it's not storytime for me 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.960 right now. No, and I have to look while you're 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:50.280 at least reading it or something. 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:54.279 Yeah. But then so he cracks his knuckles and he 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.680 realizes that he spends more time with her than his 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.920 own family. But then he says no offense and it's like, 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:03.880 what's the offense. Yeah, it's just a fact, like I 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:05.320 I spend a lot of time with you. 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:06.960 No offense Like that makes. 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:09.600 No Yeah, and no offense implies I hate that I 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:10.799 spend a lot of time with you. 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:12.560 Yeah. 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.480 So Benson says, yeah, we both need a vacation. And 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.480 then she finds a tip that's good. The owner of 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.279 a deli guy like a deli person. He a bodega boy. 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.400 He says that he got a check with bloody fingerprints 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.239 on it. So they go to the deli. It's in 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.279 the safe. Hell fucking yes. The name on the check 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.160 is Paula Varney. They go to the apartment, cute apartment, 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.480 lots of plants, books, frames, magnets, my kind of my 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.160 kind of vibe. There's a fox cookie jar and a 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:41.600 basket that caught my eye. 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.439 Like, this woman's crafty. She's good. 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.200 You notice so many things that never even enter into 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:48.360 my eyeballs. 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:48.880 Job. 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.319 It's her job, you know. 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.960 I know, But I just I don't look as hard 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.640 when I'm not recapping. I will say that, you know, 0:44:56.760 --> 0:45:00.839 but you also just are a real detail oriented for. 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.839 Decor that in a way that I'm not. 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.000 I'm also a cookie jar enthusiast. I do own two jars, 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:08.799 and in Chicago on Lincoln Ab there used to be 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.080 a cookie jar store that I would frequent I've gifted 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:12.040 cookie jar I do. 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.239 Like, Okay, I didn't know that. 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.000 It's a fun wedding gift, like if you don't want 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:17.760 to do a registry and you want to be cooler 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.080 and more fun, like they they make cookie I have 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.239 a Bart Simpson one and a Dalmatian from one hundred 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.600 and one Dalmatians, so it's like you can get I 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.839 got my sister the Flintstones for one of their wedding 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.200 anniversaries and it's like the two couples. 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.680 It's Wilma and fred To holding each other. 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:36.919 And yeah, that's cute. Yeah, no, that is a cute 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:37.800 wedding gift idea. 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.560 I just I like that as a gift. But thank you. 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.840 I do notice while things. I did notice what woman 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:44.960 the you know, what color the woman was wearing. I'm 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:48.879 not going to say anything, not a word. 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.480 So wait, can I just point out too that this woman, 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.200 Janet Varney, is played by Karen Allen, who is like 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:57.960 one of my favorite actresses from like the eighties and nineties, 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.120 like I love, love, love her. She plays Bill Murie's 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:05.640 like love interest in Scrooged. Like she's in so many things. 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:10.560 I love her. So she's in Scrooged and Scourged, Scourge 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:11.480 and Scrooged. 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:13.840 Yeah. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.200 Wait, I did not recognize her at all, so I'm glad. 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.319 Oh yeah, she's in a movie. She's in a movie 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.920 about the Challenger explosion. I think, like she's in a 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.000 lot of stuff. Like if you look up her IMDb, 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:23.720 she's great. 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:24.840 See that's your strength. 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:26.879 If you see a weir earth thing and you go, 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:29.640 I looked that name up and it's actually a politician 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.239 that lived there. So I noticed the decor and you 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.719 notice the things that it's like, wait, what is that 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:36.600 medical condition? 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:38.799 And then yeah, references I guess I'm more. 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.920 Yeah, yeah, you'll go look it up. My favorite is 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:43.600 you did send me a photo of your son and 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.160 underneath you wrote peka question mark because he was eating 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:53.919 a car. Yeah, so I really liked that. She says 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:55.759 she gave the check to her husband, So I think 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.839 this is gonna be the the big clue. And she 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.520 does seem worried it's something happened to him. She says 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.920 he doesn't live here, and but she has two daughters 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:04.680 eating breakfast. 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:05.440 They're really cute. 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.399 She does the classics, scurry them off so they get 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.359 changed so they won't be late for school, and. 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:10.319 She's about to get real. 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:14.640 She saw him day before yesterday, and she helps support him. 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.600 But he started having problems about three years ago. He 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.560 began losing it. He lost his job. She had to 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:22.880 go back to teaching, and they didn't get divorced so 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.480 he could stay on her insurance. They show her the 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.480 sketch and it's him and it's urgent, so. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:29.880 She tells him where he is. 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:31.840 The priest gave him a small room in the church 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.240 to live in, and he's a janitor at the church. 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.440 So he's going to be at the church and she 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:38.640 asks has he done something? As he hurts someone. She 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.200 seems really nervous and they have to go. The judge 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:44.320 signed the war like so that while Benson and Sailor 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.279 are walking up the stairs, they say that they have 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:49.480 a signed warrant and Munch and Finn are on their 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.399 way to search the room with that warrant. They catch 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:56.840 him mopping in the church basketball gym. What do churches 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.279 have multipurpose rooms like? I didn't know that. 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.719 I didn't know the where Gyem's at churches, didn't know. 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.840 And his beard is trimmed, his hands are wrapped up 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.080 from the knife wounds, I bet, and the all the 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.759 cutting up he's been doing. When he hears that it's 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.480 the police, he goes into a religious prayers and shakes. 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:17.000 He's scared, cries. He goes, I served God, these people 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.799 are unclean. I help the child. Oh no, he has 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.200 a knife. He takes the knife out, so the detectives 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.640 take their gun out, and it's a really Western style 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.799 tense moving around seam trying to keep them calm, but 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.440 also trying to get him. Stabler ends up jumping on 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.160 him from behind. Benson kicks the knife in a really 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.479 cute little kick. I like, I'm obsessed with the kick, 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:41.320 and they both cuff him, and you know, he's scormy, scormy, scormy, 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.080 So they both have to get on him, and he 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.439 keeps screaming about God, oh no, fuck, there's a mob, 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:50.040 there's paparazzi. He's wearing a bulletproof vest because they know 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.279 the city hates him so much. So Benson sits with 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.200 him in interrogation and he says that he was following 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.640 orders from God and sent my messenger, who is an 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:03.080 angel who is said to cleanse them. So an angel 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.799 messenger said cleanse these people. And he's like, why didn't 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:08.560 you just shoot me? You should have shot me, and 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.920 Benson goes, I didn't want to hurt you, and he goes, yeah, 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.480 but he says, you must, you must kill me, Please 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:16.919 kill me. Please can't kill me. I can't take any 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.439 more pain. And so you do feel for this guy, 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:21.520 even though he's this violent killer, and that's you know, 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.120 what Sbu does makes us think about lots of things. 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.640 Benson looks concerned and worried and scared and pity and 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.600 confusion all at once. She's magic, she's such a good actress. 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.720 All evidence points to him, and Cabot wants to rush 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:38.520 to court. So the arrangement happens May fourth, So we're 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:40.879 in court to me right away, and he does look 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.080 wild in the eyes. His eyes are wild, and we 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:48.000 have a Petrofsky and Petrovsky's talking and doing all the 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:52.480 judge stuff, and he goes, are you God and she says, no, 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:54.240 just an overwork judge. 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:55.640 And I love her casualness. 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:56.239 We got to get. 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.000 Petrofsky in the pod. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no putting this off. 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.839 We gotta get petron hashtag Petrofsky on the pod. 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:02.439 We're doing it. 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.040 And she goes, you know, and I ask the questions 0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.440 here not you, and he goes, you can't judge me 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.480 if you're not God. And he goes wild. He knocks 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:12.239 his lawyer to the ground. And this is a guy 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.719 from manifest and he's in future episodes as like the 0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:18.160 FBI child molestation expert, so he. 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.120 Is a working actor. I do like him. 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:23.759 And he has bandages throughout this whole episode that make 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.680 me burst into laughter, which is so great because it's 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.520 such a you know, intense episode, and I love just 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:33.400 having this guy with oversized bandages for the rest of 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:35.880 the rest of the show. Just an adult with a 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.480 bandage on a face is humiliating, Like I would never 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.600 I don't want that. I'd rather have an open wound 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.440 on my face than a big ass bandage. 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.839 Maybe not who am I? What am I saying? Yeah? 0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:49.560 Maybe if it was a Gucci band aid. Okay, So 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.000 he goes wild. So he knocks down like the lawyer. 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:56.839 All these bailiffs, all these guys are holding him back, 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.279 and he just keeps screaming, you can't judge me, you 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:02.960 can't judge me, screaming. They're holding Cabot helps the other lawyer. 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:07.760 Benson's holding back the wife. She's crying. He's sick, he's sick. 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.080 He can't help it. I mean, this is this so 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:14.440 much so he is obviously being carried away in a 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.640 great performance. And I think this guy's famous, but I 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:18.680 did not look him up, but he does look attractive 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:19.959 and like he's been another side. 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.680 The guy who plays the the guy who plays the 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:23.520 the killer. 0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:24.440 Yeah, Daniel. 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:28.480 Yeah, he actually played like a big character on The Waltons. 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.800 He's like a lifelong child actor. 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:31.799 Yeah. 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:35.120 This guy's name is Richard Thomas. Oh, I know him 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.319 because he's a big part on The Americans. 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.560 Do you remember him from The Americans? Oh my god. 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:41.520 Finally he's the head of the FBI. 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.680 Yeah, well he's the head of Yeah, he's the head 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:47.600 of terrorism, yeah, the CIA. 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.799 Yeah. So now, after all this SKA couple, we're on 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:54.360 the court steps and the wife runs after cabin. She's like, 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:56.239 can I talk to you? She like, please don't kill him, 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.920 Please don't kill him, Please don't kill him, and Cabot 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.440 and like, you know, youally, these the lawyers annoy me 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.120 a little bit. No, she goes, he's murdered for people, 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.560 so that's what's going to happen. And the wife brings 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:08.880 up a good point, you know, Karen and I are 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.239 not for the death penalty. But she goes, but it's 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:14.560 not going to bring anyone back, like, and Cabot goes, 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.600 I speak for the victims and the law and that's that. 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:21.239 And she says he doesn't know what he's doing. It's 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.160 just like a very beautiful scene and it shows the 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.160 complexity of the world today and always and just there's 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:28.920 you know, because of course she's begging. She goes, my children, like, 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.680 you can't kill their father. But it's also like he 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:35.160 just murdered for people. So your kids are going to 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:37.160 grow up with a dead dad or a murdered dad. 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:38.880 I don't know, but it's not good for They're going 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:43.880 to need therapy no matter what. Yeah, and I uh, yeah, 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.799 I love Cabot. And the defense attorney is walking and 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:49.640 he has a bloody bandage on his head and he's 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:52.680 with Cabot and they're at Bellevue and he's like, listen, 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:55.120 my dude belongs in a psych word and you know that. 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.799 And she goes, that's for a jury to decide, not us, 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:04.080 and manifest Bandage goes, but he's not confident, and she goes, yeah, 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.640 but he's violent, so I don't what are we? I 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:09.840 don't care. He's violent and he deserves to be punished. 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.920 And there's just an argument, spontaneous, no impulse control, and 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:15.040 she goes, I don't buy that. 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:16.680 He it was a sex worker. 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.320 He took her to the alley, he got rid of evidence, 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.600 and he plans shit, so like, you can't say he 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.800 didn't know what he was doing. When he's ducking from police, 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:27.080 like it's not gonna happen. George Twang is here and 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.600 he says the you know, he's with the killer, and 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.240 the killer's in a hospital gown laying his head hurts, 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:34.719 there's chats. There's no memory. He has no memory of 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:36.640 what happened in court. He didn't even know he was 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.560 in court. He goes, I was in court like such, 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:43.320 it was such a good moment. So he doesn't know anything. 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.480 What he did. The murder is nothing except I mean, 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.200 he knows that God told him to murder the unclean 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:50.840 must be cleansed or I will serve my wrath upon you. 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:54.000 So he had to do it. He starts crying with 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.160 his head in his hands. He's just really losing it, 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.520 and it pulls away. As Cabot and the defense are watching. 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:03.200 Cabot puts up her hand to her forehead, like, oh, 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.160 what am I gonna do? Like a real thinking you 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.920 know that emoji with the hand on the head. George 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:12.160 and Alex meet up in the court steps. She says, 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:15.200 the day office just sign an order for the death penalty. 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.680 George says he can't stand trial and it's not competent. 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.279 Cabot says he knows what he did was wrong, and 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:23.600 George is like, sure, but he does not fit any 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.680 type of profile of a killer at all. George says, 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.880 it's not schizophrenia or psychosis that happens, and like that 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.759 happens to young adults and teens. What else is going on? 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.280 There's just so much shit, like I could be organic dementia, 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.560 a disease attacking the brain, a brain tumor Alzheimer's, Like, 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.000 we have to figure it out, and she goes the 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:45.200 public wants justice. George says, let's just do a hardcore 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.680 thing like Emrize all the jazz, Like, let's just figure 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.400 this out. So Benson goes to talk to the wife 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.800 and she goes, I'm not helping you kill my husband. 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:54.800 And Benson has to say, like, you need to trust me. 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:57.640 I'm here to help you. And Benson is trying to 0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:01.000 help you in avoid trials. So, you know, my least 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:05.399 favorite thing. This woman goes, do you have children, Detective? No, 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.239 So I guess she can't understand anything. Have you ever 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.760 lost anyone close to you? So now she can relate, 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.120 But anyway, so she has lost someone close to her, 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.520 and earlier this year her mother did die within the 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:21.560 season as alcoholism. So she's like, so then you get it, 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.400 you get it. She just keeps focusing on her daughters 0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:28.160 and herself and you need to see outside of yourself. 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:36.359 He killed four people, Like yeah, but whatever. So Benson says, like, 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.560 we have medical records. If we just get these medical records, 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:42.480 and she says, I will never understand. Daniel was the 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.600 gentlest man I'd ever known, and then he started to change, 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.800 and she begged him to see a doctor and he refused, 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:52.040 and he the priest refused, and everyone refused and one 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:55.000 night Daniel. She woke up and Daniel was standing in 0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:58.200 his daughter's room with a knife and said life is 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.919 so hopeless and he wanted to despair them from the pain. 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.560 Oh yea yie. So that's why to me, it's like. 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:05.239 Why are you chilling? 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.280 Like she kicked him out, but like in that moment, 0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.880 I would make more precautions than just like releasing him 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.480 to the world. Yeah, if he's willing to kill your children, 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:15.560 he'll probably be willing to do other things. Right, So 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.279 Benson goes, please trust me, and thank god it does. 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.520 So basically, the medical history stops three years ago when 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:27.560 the issues started. But like, I don't get why the 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:29.879 wife didn't do more to protect everyone. And I don't 0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.759 like blaming a woman for a man's bad actions, but 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:34.719 she did know what was going on, and I'm very 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.440 confused why she didn't do more to like protect people. 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:40.400 I wonder if there was like not a way to 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:41.960 commit him or something. I don't know. 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.000 I don't know, but like you could be held responsible 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.919 because I'm thinking of street Wise, where may Whitman's lie 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:51.000 led to the murder, And it's like her not reporting 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:55.000 led to all these murders and it's not her fault. 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.520 I hate blaming women, but I'm disappointed. Like if you 0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:00.759 saw him about to stab your daughters, I don't know, yah, 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.440 labs are back. Like if you woke up and Jared 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:05.279 was just in the doorway with a knife next to 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:09.759 your children, Like, I'm assuming you'd let someone know. I 0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:13.000 you damn right, I would just me. 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:16.960 You would just text their pleasa texting you. 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.920 You won't believe what just happened. But anyways, let's go 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:26.120 get breakfast for this. So labs are back. Drum roll, 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:33.520 that's a clap hold on advanced syphilis. Who saw that coming? 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:35.600 Well I did. I've seen this a few times, but 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.400 oh my god, this episode. 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:40.360 I've always in my mind thought, oh my god, syphilis 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.920 so easily curable, but if you ignore it, you will 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.360 turn into a fucking religious zealot serial killer. I've alway, 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.440 this episode has stuck with me so hard that untreated 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:51.560 syphilis like truly rots your brain out. 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.440 Well, yeah, because I like that there's more modern diseases 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:56.640 to worry about, and we're like, just because of this, 0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.680 we're like terrified of syphilis on the street. 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:01.200 Yeah, where a gone, I'm syphilis. 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:04.240 Isn't it sad that one one shot of penicillin. I mean, 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:05.120 it's like crazy. 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.320 Yeah. I don't know much about syphilis except that Ibsen 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:15.080 play ghosts, but that's just a brag. So brain is 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.920 Swiss cheese in quotes. It ate through the moral center 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.280 of his brain. It's long gone, and we gotta tell 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.720 his wife. But the damage is done forever and he 0:58:22.800 --> 0:58:26.120 will never recover. So it's already a death sentence. There's 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.680 no reason to put this man to death. So Benton 0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:33.520 So So Benton's son. If I start calling Benson Benton, 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.600 I'm gonna I'm gonna slit my fucking throat from ear 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:42.040 to ear. So Benson tells his wife it wasn't his fault, 0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:45.440 but he does have syphilis. She goes, oh my god, 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:47.880 what does that mean? What about the daughters? They say, well, 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:50.640 we got to text you all, but it's only contagious 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:52.840 in the really early stages and he probably picked it 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:55.720 up long before you even met him. And how did 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:59.360 nobody find out about this? What the hell? So basically, 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:01.919 you know, he's been to doctors, he tried to figure 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:04.880 out and he had an insurance physical light bulb moment 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:08.480 for Benson. He wasn't approved for life insurance, and Benson 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.360 asks why they're supposed to tell you why they didn't 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:15.800 find out They just assumed it was hypertension. So something's 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:19.280 going on and this was seven years ago. So she 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:22.680 rushes to go see Daniel in his caged glass area 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.840 in Bellevue. So Benson says, if they say no, they 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:27.800 have to tell you why, and she goes, does it 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.800 really matter now, and Benson goes, yeah, it matters, please 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:34.800 request those records. It's a sad, sad moment. And then 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:38.120 Paula goes to sit with her husband, Daniel behind the 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:41.840 gates and he says, I miss you, and then they 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.760 hug and he says it hurts so much and I'm sorry, 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:46.840 and they really love each other and hug and it's 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:50.360 really sad. Benson slowly closes the door and scurries away. 0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:54.960 Cut to angry Benson barging into Cragan's office with Stabler 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.760 on behind her walking behind her. Paula got an answer 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:03.520 they knew and didn't inform them. Communicable and sexual diseases 1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:06.800 must be told to the health department and you have 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:08.960 to report it and they have to tell the person 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:12.040 one shot of penicillin like Kara said, could have cured 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.560 him and people wouldn't be dead. Benson says, I want 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:18.480 their ass. So let's go on a fishing expedition. 1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:21.920 And when Benson wants to take down a corporate entity, 1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:22.920 she doesn't. 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:25.680 She doesn't in a few days, honestly, and a few 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:30.760 yeahs though, So it's a jam papped few days. It's 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.240 only May eighth, and we're at the office of Malcolm Hunt, 1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:36.720 a CEO of Atlantic Life Insurance Company. It's a giant 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:41.560 office and he what is this? And he's smarmy as fuck. 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.480 He doesn't look like classic CEO to me, but the 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:49.480 more he talks, he does. But he's an interesting casting 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:50.840 choice and really interesting. 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:52.000 I liked him, I really like. 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:56.560 He goes, I don't take all orders from you, and 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.000 he won't even put down his pen. He thinks it's 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.000 like this, like when you're a CEO of an evil 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:06.400 conglomerate like this, I'm sure you do think that you're impenetrable. 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:07.480 Is that? Yeah? 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:08.120 Untouchable? 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:12.840 Yeah, untouchable. So Benson goes reckless endangerment. He goes for 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:15.760 what and she goes failing to notify the Health Department 1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:18.360 for communicable disease which caused someone to murder. 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:21.680 So that's what happens. He goes, how dare you? 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:24.440 And then he stands up and thinks he's still in charge, 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:27.560 and they're like, he's like arresting me, says who and 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:29.120 I love when they already have a warrant. Ready, they 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:32.720 go the judge, here's a warrant, bitch on who's authority? 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:34.640 I mean, I love the way he's speaking to them 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.600 on who's authority. Ugh, he's like little Joffrey, all grown up. 1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:42.960 But they cut his ass and we're off, and they 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:45.320 mirandize him and they're off. So the lawyer, of course 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:47.520 is saying this guy is the scapegoat, and he is, 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:48.840 but it is also his fault. 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:49.600 So I don't know. 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:52.560 It's the law, and you didn't follow the law, so 1:01:52.800 --> 1:01:55.240 you should have reported it. He says that they reject 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:57.560 thousands a year, and they're a business and they answer 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.440 to stockholders. We can't contact every we turned down. That 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:03.560 would mean we'd have to hire more staff, which means 1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:06.920 premiums would go up and fewer people can afford life insurance. 1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:11.320 And Cabot says a dollar fifty shot of penicillin could 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:17.000 have cured him. Asshole, Such a simple, amazing point. But 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:19.800 also just like you know, this is season two, We're 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:22.720 in season twenty three now, and the way we're dealing 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.800 with COVID as a nation is very reminiscent of this. 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:29.440 It's the bottom line, it stocks, it's who's working, it's 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.680 how can we fuck up the workers and not give 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:34.040 people what they need? And we're still living in this 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:41.680 capitalist nightmare. But Joe Rogan will save us all, Okay, 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:47.640 So so yeah, Cabot with like such an amazing point 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.680 that we're still kind of struggling with as a nation today. 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:53.680 You should have told him, You should have told him. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:55.960 And the lawyer again keeps bringing up like we're not 1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:58.480 required to tell the person. They have to ask for it, 1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:01.400 and it's like, okay, yeah, the point still stands. You 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:04.320 have to still, you know, contact the correct health department. 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.440 If we audit records and find a pattern of similar 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:10.120 cases that slip through the cracks with no effort on 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:13.720 part of the company to rectify the situation, not only 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:16.760 will we charge mister Hunt with reckless endangerment, we will 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:19.960 also seize profits of company assets to the crime. And 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:24.160 see how stockholders like that? How fucking hot? Was that 1:03:24.160 --> 1:03:29.080 that was That's like Joan Collins moment. That's that's a 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:31.840 monologue you can audition with, to be honest, and then 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:33.720 she ends it with and he can sit in prison 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:36.720 for seven years to think about it. I watched it 1:03:36.840 --> 1:03:40.160 seven times. I couldn't stop watching it, like I really 1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:40.960 love that scene. 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:44.000 And you can tell on mister Hunt's face he knows 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:45.919 when he's been had because he's such a big gun, 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:47.160 and he knows what he gets people. 1:03:47.560 --> 1:03:49.560 He like you could see in the eyes. Suddenly it 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:52.320 all changes, like, oh shit, now I'm not the captain anymore. 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:54.960 And so what do you want, missus Cabot? What do 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:56.200 you want? Miss Cabot, what do you want? What do 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:58.280 you want? What do you want? She answers very simply, 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:01.560 I want your company to report all of communicable diseases. 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:05.200 And when family of the murder victims suit, you will settle. 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:07.920 And the lawyer says that's extortion and will cost the 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:10.960 company millions, and she goes, Okay, well it's a lot 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:14.240 cheaper than going bankrupt from publicity, like court of public opinion. 1:04:14.320 --> 1:04:17.040 You're already guilty. You really want to take your chances 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:20.120 in court. He's scared and obviously is going to agree. 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:25.160 So we that's done. We've taken down a life insurance company, 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:29.280 and now we're sentencing for Daniel and the lawyer has another. 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:31.600 New giant beige bandage once. 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.840 And he is not competent, so, you know, remanded to 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:43.560 custody of mental health and he'll be in a secure 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:47.560 place forever because his brain will never get better. And 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:49.880 he's taken away, and then they show the mom of 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:52.400 the murdered son and father and she still has those 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:56.080 wet eyes and wispy bangs and stablers of course, affected 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:58.560 by that. They do believe in justice. They stare at 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:01.240 each other. She walks away without saying a word, and 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:04.320 the detectives leave and they're so tired. And it's a 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:07.480 tough week at the office. And that's Dick Wolf's baby, 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:10.240 who I mean. 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:13.360 And an episode that I've seen truly at least a 1:05:13.360 --> 1:05:14.640 dozen times. 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:16.880 Always sticks with me. 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:21.600 Well, can't wait to see what's up? Yeah, is it? 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:21.760 You know? 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:23.960 Because in my you know, they mentioned Jack the Ripper, 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:26.919 but I know about it in theory. But maybe there's 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:28.880 other things, So that's not it. 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:31.400 All right, We're gonna go to our little commercials and 1:05:31.440 --> 1:05:33.200 then we'll be back and I'll tell you what we're doing. 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:47.600 All right, welcome back, Let's get into this crime. So, yes, 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:51.000 they did reference Jack the Ripper a few times, who 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:54.880 was a serial killer in the late eighteen hundreds in 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:58.080 like a very you know, Rundown area of London, and 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:02.440 he would typically attack sex workers and he did like 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:05.360 sort of disembowel people. I don't think this is like 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:07.880 necessarily what the episode is based on. And other people 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:10.080 compared it to the Yorkshire Ripper again, a guy who 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:12.600 was based off the Jack Ripper, who in the seventies 1:06:12.680 --> 1:06:16.200 killed a lot of sex workers in England. But I 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:18.240 think that this case is more based off of the 1:06:18.280 --> 1:06:21.240 serial killer Herbert Mullen, and so I'm going to talk 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:24.080 about him. Yes, I know my favorite murder has done 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:27.480 this episode, but thank you for thinking about sending me 1:06:27.520 --> 1:06:28.120 the message. 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:30.160 I thought the. 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:33.320 Religious motivation of this killer is what is what jibs 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:36.760 with Herbert mullerin more so, he seemed like a closer 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:41.120 link to me. So basically, Herbert Mullen brutally slaughtered thirteen people, 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:45.720 including children and a Catholic priest in northern California in 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:47.160 the early seventies. 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:48.600 You'd think, being such a man of God, he wouldn't 1:06:48.640 --> 1:06:50.680 stop at thirteen, the devil's number. 1:06:50.960 --> 1:06:54.000 I know, interesting, I never even you know, you've got 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.640 the number. You've got the eye for the numbers, numbers 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:02.000 and cookie jars. I'm ready, yeah, but okay, So let's 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:04.080 start at the beginning of Mullen's life. He had a 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:06.880 pretty regular upbringing. Like he brought up. He was brought 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:10.520 up Catholic and was voted most likely to succeed in 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:12.960 high school. You don't hear that a lot. You don't 1:07:12.960 --> 1:07:14.960 hear that a lot. Like everybody liked him in high school. 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:16.800 He was a football player, even though he was small, 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:17.840 he was a good football player. 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:18.680 He was well liked. 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:23.160 And so what happened was in his later teens and 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:26.840 early twenties he began to suffer from schizophrenia and his 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:31.160 mental issues were exacerbated by drug use like marijuana and LSD. 1:07:31.800 --> 1:07:35.560 And he did have legalized acid tattooed on his stomach, 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:40.040 so you know, And he was in and out of 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:43.120 mental institutions from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy two. 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.880 So when he was like in his like late teens, 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:50.520 early twenties, so when he turned twenty five on April eighteenth, 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:53.920 nineteen seventy two. That is also the anniversary of the 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:57.320 San Francisco earthquake of nineteen oh six, and Mullen was 1:07:57.480 --> 1:08:02.080 very obsessed with this earthquake situation. He believed that nature 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:06.200 required human sacrifice in order to stave off earthquakes. So 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:09.400 he was like, Oh, the Vietnam War is killing enough 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:11.760 people so that we're not having an earthquake right now, 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:15.200 but now that the war is kind of wrapping up, 1:08:15.320 --> 1:08:17.280 even though the ward an until nineteen seventy five, like 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.080 I guess, it seemed like it was kind of coming 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:19.679 to a close. 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:21.760 He's also not in his right mind, like he doesn't 1:08:21.800 --> 1:08:23.120 know this right, so he's making. 1:08:22.920 --> 1:08:26.679 This all up right, So he's like he's like yeah, He's. 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:27.679 Like, we're gonna eat. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.719 You're like, well, the Vietnam War did take a few days, 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:32.160 so I don't really know this theory. 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:33.599 Chick to give people the dates. 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:36.080 I just wanted to give people the context because I 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:37.400 did look it up. I was like, well, when did 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:42.200 the war end? So he thought that he needed to 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:47.600 be sacrificing people to stave off these earthquakes and that 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:49.599 there was an earthquake on the horizon, and he needed 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:52.479 to offer people as a blood sacrifice to nature. He 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:55.880 also later claimed that his father had encouraged him to 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:59.439 kill through telepathy, so his father never physically. 1:08:58.960 --> 1:09:01.200 Told him, He just my and told him so. 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:03.960 Mullin said, if I didn't kill, it would bring shame 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:05.880 to the family by showing cowardice. 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:07.720 It was kill or get out. That was what was 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:10.280 going through his mind. Not a bad point if I'm 1:09:10.280 --> 1:09:11.280 being honest, JK. 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:17.120 So okay, I'm just gonna take you quickly through like 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:20.000 his first victims. So his first victim is fifty five 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:24.200 year old Lawrence Whitey White who was he killed in 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.479 October of nineteen seventy two. Mullin put up the hood 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:30.240 of his car and acted like he needed help, and 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:32.200 then when Whitey went to go help him with his 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:34.840 car in exchange for a ride, he just smashed him 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:38.160 over the head with a baseball bat. And he later 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:41.240 claimed that Whitey looked like Jonah from the Bible and 1:09:41.280 --> 1:09:45.000 had sent him telepathic messages saying, quote, hey man, pick 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:46.320 me up and throw me over the boat. 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:48.599 Kill me so that others will be saved. End quote. 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:53.160 So you know he's not thinking rationally. Then his second 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:55.960 victim is about a week and a half later. So 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.240 all of this guy's killings took place in like a 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:02.479 few months, which was pretty quick. Like you know, some 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:07.160 serial killers span you know, years. His were all pretty 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:10.080 quick and condensed. It wasn't a forty eight hour murder 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:12.360 spree leg in the show, but still pretty condensed I 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:17.240 think for reality. So a female hitchhiker is the next victim. 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:20.200 Her name is Mary Margaret Gilfoyle, she's twenty four, and 1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:24.000 she's his second victim. Now at this time, this is 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:27.519 fascinating to me. Ed Kemper is making the rounds in 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:31.960 the exact same area. Okay, so many women are being 1:10:32.000 --> 1:10:36.240 told be careful of hitchhiking, but but what I read 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:38.280 was a lot of girls were like, nah, it's a lifestyle, 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:40.519 like gotta keep doing it. And I just thought that 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:44.680 was like tragic but also kind of like sorry, you squares, 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:46.960 gotta keep hitchhiking even though so many girls are ending 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:52.040 up decapitated for Ed Kemper. So when Mary Gilfoyle saw Mullen, 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:54.920 this like sort of cute, soft spoken young guy in 1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:56.960 the car, She's like, this guy could never be a killer. 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:00.200 She was very wrong. He picked her up and stabbed 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:03.760 her through the chest while driving. Then he took her 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:06.160 into the woods. He cut her abdomen open and took 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:08.720 all of her organs out so he could like examine them, 1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:11.040 and he like draped them on a tree so he 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:13.519 could get a better look at them. It's like really horrible, 1:11:13.760 --> 1:11:16.280 and then her skeleton wasn't found for a couple of months. 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.559 Mullen blamed his mother for this killing because she had 1:11:20.560 --> 1:11:23.320 given him a copy of the Michelangelo biography The Agony 1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:25.519 and the Ecstasy, which I've never read, but I guess 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:29.280 in it they talk about how Michelangelo dissected human bodies 1:11:29.280 --> 1:11:31.200 so that he could like learn about how to better 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:33.519 sculpt them, or like what made up the human body. 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:38.760 Dead bodies obviously Michaelangelo and Mullen thought that his mother 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:42.200 gave him the book as a hint quote unquote to 1:11:42.240 --> 1:11:44.880 dissect someone, and he said, quote, I think she was 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:46.479 trying to tell me what to do so that I 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:49.679 could have this insight to end quote. Now, the hanging 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:52.720 of the intestines has put me over the edge. I know, 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:55.400 it's really really horrible, but it's like he wanted to 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.720 explore the human body. This was the only one of 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:01.880 his victims he did that too, so I guess he 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:04.200 got what he needed out of it and then didn't 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:04.879 do that anymore. 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:08.080 And I'm like imagining her face, like just driving chatting 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.960 and then looking down and just being stabbed, Like, yeah, 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:13.080 I just can't imagine that moment. 1:12:13.360 --> 1:12:14.080 It's horrible. 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:19.000 Yeah, but I mean so much, so much violence was 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:21.519 happening towards women in this area of like Santa Cruz, 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:25.840 like northern California at this time. So and then so 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:28.240 I think it's about a week later when he goes 1:12:28.280 --> 1:12:31.760 to a church to he says, quote, to give me 1:12:31.800 --> 1:12:35.520 strength to never attempt to kill again. But he hears 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:39.600 a priest in a confessional and ends up assaulting and 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:42.240 stabbing the priest to death in the confessional booth. And 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:44.679 this is so horrible. Obviously, I don't want any priest 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:47.720 to be killed. But this priest was named Henri TomEE, 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:49.680 and he was he had been a member of the 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:52.599 French Underground, which was an organization that fought the Nazis 1:12:52.600 --> 1:12:55.040 in World War Two. So this guy's like a war 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:58.759 hero who comes to the United States and gets murdered 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.600 by a person on a you know, rampage. 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:03.000 It's just like very tragic. 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:06.120 A witness did see Mullin running away from the scene, 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:08.280 but his description of like, oh, a slight man with 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:10.799 brown hair, like it just didn't really help, which reminded 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:13.920 me of this episode. It was like, he's very nondescript, 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:16.639 this man. It's like, yeah, beard, wild eyes, like that's 1:13:16.680 --> 1:13:18.800 half of New York, you know, like you couldn't It 1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:20.439 was hard to track this guy down. 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:22.240 But I don't have to credit. 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:25.040 The actor from The Waltons because his crazy eyes looked amazing. 1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:27.960 Yeah, the wild eyes crazy eyes. 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:30.639 He did a really good job. We should do who 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:35.280 did it better? Uzo Dubo gonna giving Uzo a Dubo 1:13:35.400 --> 1:13:36.400 run for her money. 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:40.760 So obviously, at the time, people thought that this was 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:42.960 the work of a Satanic cult, because in the United 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:46.320 States we love to blame everything on fucking Satan. But 1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:50.120 Mullin was raised a Catholic, as I mentioned before, and 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:53.000 he kind of went back and forth between hating religion, 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:56.559 having his own sort of religious philosophies, and then also 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:59.200 getting into screaming fights with God, like he was communicating 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:02.680 with God. So his relationship with God was you know, 1:14:03.000 --> 1:14:05.400 very complicated. 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:08.120 But it reminds me. To me, that's the link with 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:09.320 the SPUs. 1:14:09.000 --> 1:14:15.479 Relationship status with God. It's complicated. It's complicated, Oh my God. 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:20.280 So after killing these first three victims, he kind of 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:22.519 attempts to get out of dodge, like he tries to 1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:24.959 join the Coast Guard, then he tries to join the Marines. 1:14:25.320 --> 1:14:27.720 He didn't pass the psychological exam for the Coastguard, but 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:30.240 then he somehow did for the Marines, and the Marines 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:31.960 were gonna they were ready to sign him, but he 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:35.559 wouldn't sign this document that contained his arrest record, and 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:37.760 so they dismissed him. And then he thought it was 1:14:37.800 --> 1:14:40.479 all like a huge conspiracy against him, because you know, 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:43.160 he is suffering of paranoid schizophrenia, so a lot of 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:47.720 that involves thinking that there's you know, outside structures that 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:50.360 are working against you and you know, to bring you down. 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:55.360 So now it's January of seventy three, so it's you know, 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:58.320 it's been a couple months since his first killing. He 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:01.960 remembers his high school friend named John Gennara, who had 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:05.479 given him his first drugs, like his first I guess weed, 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:09.280 and most of us think of that person pretty fondly. 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:11.080 I think, like I remember the first person who gave 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:14.519 me weed. But Mullen was not happy. He thought that 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:16.840 this guy gave him drugs and it caused his whole 1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:19.080 brain to malfunction and totally fucked up his whole life. 1:15:19.120 --> 1:15:24.719 But it just so happens that schizophrenia usually surfaces late teens, 1:15:24.800 --> 1:15:28.879 early twenties usually, and that is that can. 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.479 Be when people start to experiment more with drugs. 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:33.720 So it's like, you know, it's it's sort of a coincidence, 1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:37.000 and I don't think it's I don't think weed turned 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:40.839 him into a killer. But so he goes to find 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:43.200 Jim Gennara and he ends up at the house of 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:47.120 Kathy Francis, who lives there with her two sons, age 1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:50.800 nine and age four, and she tells Mullin, oh, Jim 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:52.920 lives somewhere else, tells him where he lives, and then 1:15:52.960 --> 1:15:55.120 he thanks her and he leaves. So then he goes 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:58.640 to Jim's house. He shoots Jim. Jim doesn't die immediately. 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:00.760 He tries to get upstairs to like save his wife 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:04.000 who's in the bath and telling her to like lock 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.160 the door and everything, but he gets in, he shoots 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:11.120 the wife, and then he stabs them like like the 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:12.720 way you were saying, Oh, it was like forty two 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:15.479 stab wounds, Like he stabs them. The article I read 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:17.479 said to the point of overkill, Like I think they 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:19.360 were long dead from the gunshot wounds, and he was 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:22.120 just like stabbing away. So he was, you know, I 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:25.080 don't know what he thought he was accomplishing with that. 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:28.600 But this is a thing of nightmares. Yeah, this is 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:31.439 one of these murders is a nightmare. But to put 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:34.320 them all together is really yeah, and it was also 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:36.200 it also explains a little bit why it was hard 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.759 to catch him, because it's like baseball bat stabbing gun 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:43.760 like a man of God, a hitchhiker, like nobody is 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:45.560 like none of the victims are the same, none of 1:16:45.560 --> 1:16:47.960 the ems are the same. He shoots Jim Gennara and 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:50.519 his wife, you know, like he's using all different weapons. 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:52.800 He's going all over the place. So I can see 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:54.680 why it was like a little bit more difficult to 1:16:55.040 --> 1:16:57.639 nail down like who he was. So he goes back 1:16:57.680 --> 1:17:00.280 to the home of Kathy Francis. This is horrible. It's 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:04.320 just gonna get worse. There's conflicting information on his motive here. 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:08.040 One source I read said that Mullen thought Kathy had 1:17:08.080 --> 1:17:10.840 telepathically told him I want you to kill me and 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:11.280 my sons. 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:11.800 We want to be a. 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:16.439 Blood sacrifice, but other obviously, later the prosecution argued that 1:17:16.560 --> 1:17:18.479 she was a witness and he was terrified of going 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:20.760 to jail, so he was covering his crimes. So it's 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:22.519 a little bit like what happened in the episode, Oh 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:25.840 you burn this woman, you try to hide evidence, Like sure, 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:29.800 you might be mentally incapable or incapacitated, but like you 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:33.599 are covering up the like your tracks, you know. So 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:36.559 that implies like a knowledge of right and wrong, I guess. 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:40.320 So when Kathy opens the door, he shoots her in 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:42.559 the chest, in the head, and then he kills her 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:45.200 two sons while they're playing Chinese checkers in a bunk bed. 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:48.280 It's like so horrific, I can't even like, oh, it's 1:17:48.280 --> 1:17:51.120 so awful, but it's you know, the episode has also 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:53.840 a nine year old boy killed out of nowhere, and 1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:59.320 then so both Jim Gennara and Kathy Francis's husband Bob, 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:00.720 who was not in the house at the time of 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.600 the murders, were marijuana dealers, and so the police just 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:06.400 chalk these up to drug related crimes, oh yeah, because 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:09.240 there's no pattern. Yeah, and they did not connect it 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:11.280 to the priest killing at all. They were just like, up, 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:14.000 these guys sell weed and like whatever, this was a 1:18:14.040 --> 1:18:14.920 drug related thing. 1:18:15.080 --> 1:18:19.160 What connects it eventually? Like DNA or what I can 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:20.080 tell you? I can tell you. 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:26.479 So then a week or so later, Mullen discovered an 1:18:26.479 --> 1:18:29.719 illegal camp site when he was wandering around in the woods, okay, 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:32.360 and it was fourteen boys like in their like eighteen 1:18:32.400 --> 1:18:35.880 or nineteen. All these guys their names were Brian Scott Card, 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:41.360 David Oliker, Robert Specter, and Mark oh god dry Belvis 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.000 I think is his name. And they invited him into 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:46.760 this like makeshift sort of like plastic tarp tent thing 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:50.320 that they had made, and he didn't want to come in. 1:18:50.520 --> 1:18:55.679 He was very like anti flower Power, anti hippies stuff 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:58.599 like that. I don't know why because that was Sue 1:18:58.760 --> 1:19:01.439 and Francisco at the time. Yeah, but that was huge 1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:03.360 as of Francisco at that time, and he was just 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.519 like these hippies blah blah blah. So he basically just 1:19:06.560 --> 1:19:10.080 started yelling at these boys for defacing government property in 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:14.679 this forest. And was angry, apparently because he'd been hassled 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:16.720 by a ranger for doing the same thing earlier, and 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:18.840 he didn't think it was fair that these teenagers should 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:21.040 get away with like camping illegally in the woods. When 1:19:21.080 --> 1:19:24.519 he you know, so the boys laughed at him, you know, 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:26.720 they were like, whoa dude, Like why are you so 1:19:27.280 --> 1:19:30.800 you know, hopped up about this thing, And Mullen said 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.479 to himself, quote, I decided to kill them and asked 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:36.679 them telepathically if I could, and they all answered yes. 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:39.000 They were all in a sitting position, and it was 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:42.120 all over in a few seconds. And he later said, 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:47.360 quote unquote, they asked for it. So he hated renegade campers, hippies, 1:19:47.400 --> 1:19:51.200 flower children, anyone that he considered a counterculture deviant. So 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:53.559 that brings them up to twelve victims. And then a 1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:55.920 few days after he kills these boys in the woods, 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:59.400 it's February thirteenth, and Mullen had planned to bring some 1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:02.280 firewood to parents' house, but he got a telepathic message 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:04.960 from his father that said, don't deliver a stick of 1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:08.320 wood until you kill someone. So he drove by the 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:11.680 house of some guy who was just outside working on 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.919 his lawn on his car, and he was a retired 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:17.840 prize fighter named Fred Perez who was seventy two years old, 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:20.160 just working in his driveway and he just shot him 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:22.360 once in the heart and killed him instantly. And he 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:25.080 had no explanation for why he killed this man besides that, 1:20:25.400 --> 1:20:28.000 you know, he got this message from his dad saying, like, 1:20:28.280 --> 1:20:30.479 no reason why he picked this guy, I guess besides 1:20:30.600 --> 1:20:36.200 an opportunity, And the prosecution would later argue that Mullen 1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:38.680 was actually ready to stop killing and that this was 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:40.640 his like come and get me crime, Like he just 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:44.800 did it broad daylight. A neighbor saw his plates and 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:46.880 saw his car as he drove away from doing that. 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:50.960 So he was easily arrested very quickly after killing Perez, 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:54.919 and he did not struggle or speak when he was arrested. 1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:58.519 So when they brought him in to interrogate him, every 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:02.040 question he answered with silence. And I was like, bring 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:05.920 back my girls. But I'm just kidding. The silence part 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:07.639 is real, but he did not say bring back my girls. 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:12.080 And when they went to his ramshackle apartment, they found 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:15.960 a bible. They found a paperback book called Einstein The 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:18.439 Life and Times, and they found newspaper articles about the 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:22.080 recent murders. They also found the following note, and it said, 1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:24.320 let it be known to the nations of Earth and 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:27.200 the people that inhabit it. This document carries more power 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:30.519 than any other written before. Such a tragedy as what 1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:33.280 has happened should not have happened. And because of this action, 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:35.840 which I take of my own free will, I am 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:38.080 making it possible to occur again. For while I can 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:40.280 be here, I must guide and protect my dynasty. 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:41.400 I don't know. 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:45.439 And then so the cops were wondering, oh, is this 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:48.240 the guy who's been killing all these female hitchhikers, which 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:51.720 was really Ed Kemper, And they, like I said, they 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:53.639 kept telling women to stop hitchhiking, and the when ladies 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:56.160 were all like, m we're good. And so there was 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.960 no evidence that tied Mullin to any of the hitchhiker 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:03.240 bodies except for Gilfoyle, that hitchhiker, and he she wasn't 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:06.160 decapitated or dismembered the way that others were. She was 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:10.200 just disemboweled like Ed Kemper, you know, decapitated his victims 1:22:10.280 --> 1:22:12.200 or would keep like a finger or whatever, and like 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:13.280 that's not what happened to Mary? 1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:15.880 He's so wild because of Ed Kemper. I only think 1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:18.200 of the actor who played him in mind Hunter, but 1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:21.760 he's now in all these other shows, like he is 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:25.040 in The Girl, He's like in Shrill playing eighties love interests, 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:26.640 and I'm like, I hope you don't kill her. Like 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:28.880 but to me, like when you're talking Ed Kemper, I 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:30.080 only see his face. 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:32.760 It's truly who I see, and he does really well. 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:34.840 I watched a long video of Ed Kemper for this, 1:22:35.560 --> 1:22:37.439 not that long. I just it's the longest I had 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:39.599 watched Ed Kemper, Like, I watched a twenty minute video 1:22:39.600 --> 1:22:43.280 of him talking, and he's he is like extremely articulate 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:45.519 and just like Set has a lot of good insight. 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:50.640 It's really nuts anyway. So eventually Mullen was charged with 1:22:50.680 --> 1:22:53.160 ten counts of murder. He was not yet charged for 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:57.720 the first three victims, White Whitey Father, Tome and Gilfoyle. 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:02.879 And then at his hearing on March first, Mullen carries 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.360 in a two volume legal book and tried to plead 1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:08.639 guilty and the judge refuses to accept a guilty plea 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:11.880 in a case of such magnitude, which I don't really 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:14.559 know why. I'm like, why not, but should we not 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:19.120 burden the system? But I think it's because they could 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:23.679 tell that he was possibly not fit to stand trial. 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:25.920 So Mullen said, I won't accept that. 1:23:26.000 --> 1:23:28.160 You gave me a choice and I chose, And then 1:23:28.200 --> 1:23:32.000 his lawyer tries to intervene, and Mullen says, I refuse 1:23:32.080 --> 1:23:36.000 counsel and insisted on representing himself. And his lawyer is 1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:39.439 James Jackson, who ends up being ed Kemper's lawyer later, 1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:44.479 and he has also defended other famous criminals. So so 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:47.120 Mullen keeps trying to plead guilty and the judge is 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:50.880 getting annoyed, and the judge essentially doubted his competence to 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:54.280 stand trial. So all the experts that examine Mullen determined 1:23:54.280 --> 1:23:57.960 that he is a person with paranoid schizophrenia. And he 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:00.280 sat in his cell writing out all the re since 1:24:00.320 --> 1:24:05.320 his just his killings were justified, which worked but not 1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:07.639 in the way that he thought like it definitely helped 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:10.480 the judge decide that he was not competent. 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:11.599 Like he was trying to be like, no, no, here's 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:12.519 why what I did was right. 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:15.600 And then it really worked in another way, because it 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:19.120 helped the judge decide that. And I learned about this 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:22.240 thing that was kind of interesting while I was researching this, 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:25.880 that all the writing he was doing, it's called hypergraphia, 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:29.240 and it's something like it's an intense desire to write 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:31.160 or draw, and it's something that you see in a 1:24:31.160 --> 1:24:34.840 lot of people suffering from schizophrenia that it's just like writing, writing, writing, 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:37.760 getting your thoughts out, like chronicling details and stuff like that. 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:39.559 And that's why you'll see a lot of like writing 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:42.400 on walls, writing on your body, writing on like journals 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:46.559 and journals and paper and stuff. So that's I think 1:24:46.640 --> 1:24:48.559 something that was going on with him as well. So 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:51.760 while Mullen was a waiting trial, guess who shows up 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:55.400 at the same prison at kemperd Kemper baby. 1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:57.799 I hope they're friends. 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:01.479 Listen, it's wild. Watch a show. I would watch a 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:04.880 show just of this. They put them in cells right 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:07.160 next to each other, and from a lot of places 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:09.320 I read, they were like oil and water. Like Kemper 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:11.920 was six ' nine, Mullen was this little guy. 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:12.800 I read. 1:25:12.880 --> 1:25:15.640 Kemper bothered him all the time, called him little Herbie, 1:25:15.680 --> 1:25:18.240 like all this stuff. But then when you look when 1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:20.320 you watch Ed Kemper talk about it, which I did. 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:23.120 I watched a fifteen minute segment basically where he talks 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:27.479 about how he dealt with herb with Herber Mullen. It 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:29.880 doesn't seem like Kemper didn't like him. It seemed like 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:32.920 Kemper wanted to help him figure out a way to 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:36.600 be in jail and stop driving everybody crazy. So this 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:40.960 is just like I thought, this was like fascinating basically. Okay, 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:43.439 So Lisa, I think you actually may have mentioned this 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:45.719 in the episode where you covered Ed Kemper. 1:25:46.120 --> 1:25:47.680 But yeah, but I'm sitting at the. 1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:49.720 Edge of my seat, like I know I talked about this, 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:51.320 but I'm sitting on the edge of my seat being 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:52.160 like what happened. 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:54.280 It's like an SVU episode that you know you've seen, 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:57.240 but you're like, wait, this is what happened. Yeah, So 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:00.640 Mullen had this habit of singing and bother all the 1:26:00.680 --> 1:26:02.640 other inmates when they're trying to watch TV, and like, 1:26:02.680 --> 1:26:04.920 these guys don't get that much enjoyment and they get 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:07.519 to watch like Saturday Night Special on Saturday Nights or whatever, 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.880 and they're trying to watch that and he's singing, and 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:13.280 he's screaming about how TV wrots your brain and all 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:14.920 this other kind of shit, and the guys like all 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:18.960 wanted to, you know, pound him. So what Kemper started 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:21.960 doing was throwing water on him to shut him up, 1:26:22.200 --> 1:26:24.760 and then when he was good, he would give him peanuts, 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:28.120 and he said, Herbie liked peanuts. And that was effective 1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:32.320 because pretty soon he asked permission to sing, and Kemper said, 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:37.719 and that's called behavior modification treatment. So he essentially found 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:39.920 out that the guy liked peanuts. They were cells next 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:41.679 to each other, so he would like leave little bags 1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:44.599 of peanuts for him, treat him nicely, but then splash 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:46.280 water on him when he was being a jerk. And 1:26:46.320 --> 1:26:49.120 he really got Mullens to stop acting that way. And 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:51.559 then there'd be times where Kemper would be like, Okay, 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:54.400 Mullin's gonna sing right now, and all the guys would 1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:56.160 be like oh. He'd be like, do you want him 1:26:56.160 --> 1:26:57.120 to do it now? Or do you want him to 1:26:57.120 --> 1:26:58.559 do it when you're watching your show? And the guys 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:00.760 would be like okay, fine, and then he would just 1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:03.120 sing for like forty five seconds and then be like 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:04.920 never mind, Like this isn't working for me. 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:06.719 Like, I don't think he really wanted to sing. 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:09.240 He just wanted to like disrupt, and if people are listening, 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:10.479 it doesn't really work. 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:13.360 So he figured out a way. 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:17.559 To really help Herbie Mullen I think exist in prison 1:27:17.600 --> 1:27:21.880 without getting like, you know, maybe killed. And Kemper would 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:24.880 talk to Mullen about the way that they murdered people 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:26.679 and like Mullen would be like, yeah, I just shot 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:29.559 them and they went down, and and Kemper would be like, no, 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:30.040 you didn't. 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:31.320 They writhed around a little bit. 1:27:31.400 --> 1:27:33.240 They did this sometimes you gotta shoot him again because 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.120 they don't die right away. And the guy was like, 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:37.280 Mullen was like, how did you know all that? I 1:27:37.320 --> 1:27:39.560 never told you that? And he's like, because I'm a 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:42.680 killer too, like like I know you know, like and 1:27:42.760 --> 1:27:46.559 so he was like Mullen was shocked that he knew 1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:49.600 exactly how he felt and like how killing people like 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:52.880 went down and her and he goes Herbie, I know 1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:55.000 what happened. Don't give me that bullshit about earthquakes, and 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:57.400 don't give me that crap about God was telling you this, 1:27:57.840 --> 1:27:59.559 I says, you couldn't even be talking to me now 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:01.400 if God was talking to you because of the pressure 1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:04.000 I'm putting on you right now, these little shocking insights 1:28:04.040 --> 1:28:06.280 into what you did. God would start talking to you 1:28:06.360 --> 1:28:08.040 right now if you were that kind of ill, because 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:08.599 I grew. 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:09.320 Up with people like that. 1:28:09.960 --> 1:28:12.120 So he's kind of calling Mullin out saying, I don't 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:13.880 think you're that ill. I don't think you think God 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:16.080 was talking to you. Blah blah blah. But every single 1:28:16.080 --> 1:28:18.439 expert that interviewed Mount Mullen said he was suffering from 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:22.360 paranoid schizophrenia. So I do believe that he was possibly 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:24.040 thought he was talking to God, or at least that 1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:28.280 his dad and mom were telling him to do these 1:28:28.320 --> 1:28:32.840 horrible crimes. As we know from Liza's episode on Kemper, 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:36.400 he had serious mom issues, Mullen had more dad issues. 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:40.479 And Mullen thought his dad was a. 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:43.120 Serial killer, and he kept demanding that the cops take 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:45.960 his dad's fingerprints and compare them against all these murders 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:49.439 in California and the Pacific Northwest. So he just kept 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:51.479 asking for that to happen, and obviously no one ever 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:53.240 did that. And I don't think there was any proof 1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:55.439 at all that his father was a criminal in any 1:28:55.479 --> 1:28:59.960 way the prosecution told the jury, quote, there's no question 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:03.200 he's mentally ill, seriously mentally ill, but that doesn't mean 1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:04.480 he's legally insane. 1:29:04.640 --> 1:29:05.280 End quote. 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:08.840 Basically, they thought he hit his crimes. He even ground 1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:11.360 down the serial numbers on the gun. So even though 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.519 he has these mental issues, he still knew right from 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:15.519 wrong when he was committing these crimes. And I guess 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:19.800 that's the legal definition of legally insane versus not. 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:22.640 They covered this well with Cabot in the episode. I 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:27.160 think too, of even if you're dealing with your paranoid schizophrenia, 1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:29.720 you're still acting in the reality of trying not to 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:31.000 get caught. Right. 1:29:31.640 --> 1:29:36.040 So it turns out that in this case it did 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:39.439 not happen like the episode. They basically sided with Cabot, 1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:43.479 and the jury finds mullensane and guilty. On August nineteenth, 1:29:43.520 --> 1:29:47.400 nineteen seventy three, they thought that the deaths of Jim, 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:51.400 Jennia and Kathy Francis were premeditated, thereby making those first 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:54.280 degree murder, and the rest were all considered impulse murders 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:58.639 and they were second degree murder. 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:02.160 I don't know actually if he was ever charged for 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:03.320 the first three murders. 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:06.559 Maybe it just was no point since he had done 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:10.400 all these other ones but and was going to jail forever. 1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:14.240 But so the jury found him guilty. But I thought 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:18.360 this was so fascinating. The jury, foreman did not like 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:20.639 the way things went down in this in this trial, 1:30:21.120 --> 1:30:26.479 so he wrote to California Governor Ronald Reagan and said 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:29.880 that he was responsible as responsible as Mullen was for 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:34.320 these deaths because his administration had been systematically shutting California's 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:37.559 mental hospitals and had a plan to deactivate all of 1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:40.320 them in a few years. And so within a year 1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:43.040 of the Mullin trial, California legislators passed a bill to 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:47.200 prohibit the closure of any other mental hospitals. So no, 1:30:47.439 --> 1:30:48.720 that's what happened in Chicago. 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:51.400 I think in the seventies too, they just like released 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:55.200 all these people into the neighborhoods with no resources or 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:58.120 money or skill, and it's like, you can't do that. 1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.479 Yeah, And what people were what I was reading a 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:04.080 lot of was like he did not kill people because 1:31:04.080 --> 1:31:08.120 he had schizophrenia. He Usually people with mental illness are 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:10.680 actually more likely to be killed than to kill. I 1:31:10.680 --> 1:31:15.559 think that's a common misconception. But like any antisocial personality disorder, 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:19.799 paranoid schizophrenia is usually diagnosed before violence occurs and then. 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:20.559 You can handle it. 1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:24.040 Like usually they can be observed in a mental facility 1:31:24.200 --> 1:31:27.120 and you know, medication can work. But the problem is 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:29.679 a lot of times they you know, can if they're 1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:34.040 not being more closely monitored. But because he was discharged 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:38.120 from these mental hospitals, he just was able to sort 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:40.639 of have all this, you know, all these things were 1:31:40.640 --> 1:31:44.000 able to transpire, and it's it does make me sad 1:31:44.040 --> 1:31:45.880 because it doesn't really I mean, it's so much loss 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:47.559 of life, but it also feels like this is a 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:50.519 person that was not didn't know what they were doing. 1:31:50.520 --> 1:31:53.719 Do you think if this person was medicated and monitored 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:55.960 he wouldn't be violent. I just don't see that. 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:57.200 I think so. 1:31:57.520 --> 1:31:59.759 I think that if the voices call, if the medication 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:02.040 can calm the voices, and that's what's telling you to 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:06.080 do what you're doing, that I think so. But he 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:09.519 is now seventy four and he was denied parole last year, 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:12.720 and at his parole hearings, he continues to blame his 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:15.080 sister and his parents for making him commit these murders, 1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:17.040 so you can't let him out all these years. 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:20.240 Yeah, yeah, so you have to have remorse. 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:22.240 I think that's what parole is looking for, and that's 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.000 how people can fake their way out. But it's like 1:32:24.080 --> 1:32:25.680 they need you to learn a lesson or what's the 1:32:25.680 --> 1:32:27.960 point of jail. You can't like continue to say you 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:32.040 don't give a shit? Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, this is horrible. 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:34.000 We cover a lot of bad crimes, but this one 1:32:34.120 --> 1:32:39.080 is pretty heinous. Yeah, disgusting. Yeah, really awful. And the 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:40.840 intestines will live with me for a while. 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:43.720 Yeah, I'm sorry I had to do. I did have 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:45.160 to tell everybody about that, but. 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:48.720 You had to, you had to tell us. 1:32:48.880 --> 1:32:53.400 Yeah, yeah, but I did think that I put it 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:55.880 in the show notes, this interview with Ed Kemper where 1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:58.760 he talks about her mull and a lot, and it 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:02.439 was just interesting because Ed Kemper, Uh, It's like he 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:04.960 was a horrible, horrible, horrible criminal, but he is like 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:08.280 so articulate and he's in there talking about how herb 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:10.160 was never gonna make it if I didn't help him, 1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:12.360 like and he kind of did help him, And it's like, 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:15.040 why am I thinking that this murderer is like a 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:18.599 good guy. Like that's I think what is really That's 1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:21.639 why they let like Ed Kemper run the library department 1:33:21.640 --> 1:33:23.400 at the jail and like do all these things that 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:27.040 he's done because he is like an actual insightful person, 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:31.880 even though a horrific, you know, violent criminal well and not. 1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:32.920 To this degree. 1:33:33.040 --> 1:33:35.559 Like murder is bad, but I think, you know, sorry 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:39.519 to bring up yellow jackets again, but it's this idea 1:33:39.520 --> 1:33:41.840 of like we're all layered, Like we're not all good, 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:44.840 we're not all bad. It's choices, mistakes, moments in life 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:48.320 and like not excusing any murder. But it is possible 1:33:48.360 --> 1:33:50.679 in the realm of humanity that Ed Kemper has other 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:54.240 qualities and characteristics that are not evil and murderer. We 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:58.000 just as a society can't look past murder. Yeah, unless 1:33:58.080 --> 1:33:59.719 you know you're a killing it your abuser. 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:04.000 But ah, yeah, well that's that everybody. 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:06.320 I'm sure there'll be another opportunity for me to talk 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:09.479 about the Yorkshire Ripper for you, but ay, and. 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:11.920 It's fucked up because yeah, I like Ed Kemper too, 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:14.559 but I'm also thinking about him in terms of this actor. 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:17.240 But yeah, it's fun. 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:20.960 It's all fucked He did a good job of getting 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:24.400 Ed Kemper's voice in the because when I watched this 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:26.320 long interview, I was like, yeah, that is kind of 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:27.599 how we talked in mind Hunter. 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:29.519 So the actors are incredible. 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:31.880 Anyway, we have a we have a we have another 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:37.240 amazing interview. So don't move your little booties. I've been 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:48.000 talking to Rosi about her booty too much. Okay, today's 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:50.160 guest was such a delight. 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:50.400 To talk to. 1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:53.400 We can't believe how many of our favorite shows. She's 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:57.040 been on Sex and the City, Dexter. Right now, she's 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:00.639 starring on the Equalizer with Queen Latifah and you can 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:02.960 catch you in a new comedy movie that's streaming called 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:06.519 The Fabulous Filipino Brothers. You know her as a recurring 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:09.640 CSU tech, but in today's episode, she was the very 1:35:09.720 --> 1:35:14.879 affected Rebecca Chang. Guys, enjoy our conversation with Lisa Lapira. 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:17.519 So you're in New York right now. 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:19.679 I'm in New York right now. 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:20.400 Yeah. 1:35:20.400 --> 1:35:21.760 I was just gonna ask, is that where you're on 1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:24.200 the Equalizer right now? Is that where that shoots? 1:35:24.520 --> 1:35:24.800 Yes? 1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:30.040 Amazing, Well, we have we have a lot of questions. Yeah, yeah, 1:35:30.080 --> 1:35:32.920 So what is Queen Latifa, like we're dying to. 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:37.640 Know everything you would imagine, like the good version of 1:35:38.200 --> 1:35:40.280 your imagination, and then like time stent. 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:43.200 Oh wow, great. So she's like a Marishka Hargate of 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:44.000 the Equalizer. 1:35:44.280 --> 1:35:48.200 Yes, one hundred percent she is. She's a Marishka of 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:54.680 the Equalizer, a hip hop icon the Marias. 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:55.880 Yeah. 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:59.360 I mean looking at your IMBB, you are just booked 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:02.639 and blessed on so many iconic shows, Sex and the City, 1:36:02.760 --> 1:36:06.519 dexter Sopranos. When did you realize like, oh damn, I'm 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:09.240 a working actress and I'm making it. Oh wow. 1:36:09.360 --> 1:36:12.160 That there was a real crystallized moment where I was like, 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:14.800 can I quit my day job because I would be working. 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:16.240 I was a series regular on the show. 1:36:16.280 --> 1:36:18.240 And it was still like Nope, I'm going to work 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:21.200 the cash regisir at this thing until they kicked me out. 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:23.920 I'm going to sell I was. I was working at 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:26.320 a baby clothes store. I'm going to sell the onesies 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:27.880 until they fire me. 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:29.599 And then I used to do that too. 1:36:29.800 --> 1:36:33.080 Really where yeah, in Connecticut where I grew up. 1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:34.599 Wasn't it a trip? 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:36.120 I mean, did you have kids at the time? 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:38.840 No, I did it, cause yeah, it was all of us. 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:40.599 We were all a bunch of twenty year olds talking 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:43.840 about like, oh, this child's a three T, like we 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:45.040 didn't know from a three T. 1:36:46.400 --> 1:36:48.640 But I'd be like, the good thing about this is 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:51.559 that they can really grow into it. She's an overseason. Meanwhile, 1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:54.360 nothing like they literally run out of every They grow 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:56.759 out of everything in ten minutes one hundred percent. 1:36:56.800 --> 1:36:58.680 And I don't know where you worked, but like the 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:01.320 shirts that I sold were like forty dollars for like 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:03.080 a six month old, and I was like, you know, 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:06.360 there's going to be vomit on this and they're going 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:08.160 to grow out of it in two days. 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.520 No serious, same experience. 1:37:13.320 --> 1:37:14.320 So I was. 1:37:14.360 --> 1:37:15.920 I was on a show at the time and I 1:37:15.960 --> 1:37:17.760 was recurring. It was a show called hof. It was 1:37:17.760 --> 1:37:24.240 Showtime's first first foray into scripted and it was a 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:26.519 really good show. Hanka's Area was the lead and Oliver 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:29.759 Platte was was the like kind of the I played 1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:32.640 his assistant, and I was recurring the first season, and 1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:35.280 then they bumped me up to series regular the second season, 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:38.639 and I still was like hanging on like to the 1:37:38.720 --> 1:37:42.080 cash register with my hands like wait wait, and I 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:45.680 would give them my shooting schedule and then and then 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:49.040 it was stressing me out and I think I just 1:37:49.400 --> 1:37:51.360 I just took stock and it was like can I 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:51.720 do this? 1:37:51.840 --> 1:37:54.400 I guess I can, and I did it slowly. 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:56.839 I cut back my hours and then and then finally 1:37:56.880 --> 1:37:59.040 when I was like, oh, I can do this and 1:37:59.120 --> 1:38:02.439 I quit. That was when I was like, well, I 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:05.960 guess by default, then I'm all working after because this 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:08.360 is how I'm paying for toilet paper and such. 1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:15.200 Yeah, amazing as a New Yorker. How was it when you, 1:38:15.200 --> 1:38:18.519 you know, got into the Law and Order Dick Wolf universe. 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:19.040 Oh? 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:21.759 Man, I feel like this is going to warrant several 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:26.599 conversations because you guys, you guys, I did the pilot. 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:28.120 We did not put that together. 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:28.639 Wow. 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:31.240 I was like in and out. 1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:32.920 I mean, this was when I was like, this is 1:38:32.960 --> 1:38:37.720 like when I was still not sure I could do this. 1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:39.680 Wanted to know. I always want to do this, but 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.800 this was like this. I think it was my first job. Oh, 1:38:42.800 --> 1:38:44.920 it was my first job. So it was like very 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:47.559 very The whole career was new to me. I didn't 1:38:47.600 --> 1:38:50.439 know anything, and there was this new show, a spin 1:38:50.479 --> 1:38:52.200 off of Law and Order, but it was just going 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:54.880 to do sex crimes. And I was like, okay, and 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:59.000 they cast me and I was like the waitress passing information. 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:01.559 But it was a great cast. Patricia Richardson. I didn't 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:03.959 work what I worked with. I worked with the two biggies. 1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:07.640 I was passing the information. They came to my restaurant, 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:12.559 Marishka and I'm gonna call him Elliott Chris. They came 1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:15.160 to the to the restaurant and I gave them the 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:18.400 pertinent information like you do. And yeah, and it was 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:20.320 the pilot. It was the first day. It was And 1:39:20.479 --> 1:39:22.360 looking back on it, they were having. 1:39:23.680 --> 1:39:26.200 Pilot. It was a pilot energy like is this going 1:39:26.280 --> 1:39:27.360 to go? Is this not going to go? 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:30.440 They were working stuff out, both very nice and when I, 1:39:30.520 --> 1:39:34.280 you know, came back several years later, literally I think 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:36.519 it was seven years later. I got to tell them 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:38.840 and I was recurring as like the tech. I got 1:39:38.840 --> 1:39:41.479 to tell them, Hey, I don't know that you would 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:43.880 remember it, but I was there the first day because 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:45.479 I think it was the first day. I have to 1:39:45.560 --> 1:39:47.880 check back, but I think it might have been the 1:39:47.880 --> 1:39:51.120 first day of the first thing, which I don't know 1:39:51.479 --> 1:39:55.120 makes me royalty. I don't Maybe you think I don't wow. 1:39:55.080 --> 1:39:58.320 That for special too, because you got to see them 1:39:58.320 --> 1:40:00.760 on this first day jitters like you're talking about, and 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:04.800 then come back in what like season seventeen when it's 1:40:04.880 --> 1:40:09.519 this giant like I'm sure the attitudes and vibes were different. 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:12.920 Uh, this is gonna be right and lang with your 1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:17.400 uh with the brand. Murska is lovely throughout the throughout 1:40:17.720 --> 1:40:20.080 of her being lovely and kind. 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:20.800 Was always there. 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:24.920 It was just more of a machine, like, yeah, it 1:40:24.960 --> 1:40:28.720 was a more of a well run machine. And and 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:34.200 her taking the taking the rants, I mean, uh, Elliott, 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:35.280 I'm just gonna always call. 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:36.360 It Stabler was still there. 1:40:37.240 --> 1:40:40.760 It was kind of both of them, but but she 1:40:40.960 --> 1:40:44.800 very much was was the Uh yeah, just there's a 1:40:44.880 --> 1:40:48.040 there was a leadership, a natural leadership. They're much like 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:52.559 Queen Latifa has. There's a natural leadership and a natural 1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:54.240 kindness that goes along with that. 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:55.479 And I just. 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:58.960 Think those are the people that are supposed to lead 1:40:59.439 --> 1:41:04.160 as opposed to to you know, tyrannical nuthouse if those 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:05.160 are your only dues. 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:09.080 So you were like you were on season one as 1:41:09.080 --> 1:41:11.200 this waitress and then how then you come on for 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:14.000 season two for this episode that we're talking about today, 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:17.880 scourge and did you did they make you audition again 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:19.519 or were they're just like, we like her, let's bring 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:20.160 her back for this. 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:21.600 No, I auditioned. 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:24.720 You auditioned, okay, And then did you have to like 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:27.360 cry and be like, my roommate is dead and do. 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:28.000 That whole thing? 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:29.040 I can't remember. 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:31.400 I mean, I'm sure I did at the audition in 1:41:31.520 --> 1:41:32.320 order to get it. 1:41:33.120 --> 1:41:35.280 Well, you did a great job. Like we were talking 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:36.160 about you, how. 1:41:36.040 --> 1:41:39.519 Like so many people, so many young people on the show, 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:41.679 their roommate is dead and they're like that sucks. 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:43.719 Do you think she's gonna like can you take her curse? 1:41:43.880 --> 1:41:47.400 Like you, like in the history. 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:51.000 Of this show, that reacted appropriately to the news. Given 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:57.400 you weren't unpacking, you weren't moving bottles, you weren't rushing. 1:41:57.920 --> 1:42:00.880 You really were sad your roommate died. I watched it you. 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:03.360 I watched that scene like eight times. I'm like, we've 1:42:03.360 --> 1:42:04.320 never seen this again. 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:10.320 Oh, I love it. Thanks. I remember the director because 1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:13.040 I came in with that right. Uh you know you 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:14.800 read this scene. You come in and I came with 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:18.320 the level of it. And I do remember the director 1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:22.240 Alex saying, you know more, I want I want more. 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:25.040 I took more of the hysteria. And I remember at 1:42:25.040 --> 1:42:27.720 the time because again I think this is still like 1:42:28.280 --> 1:42:31.920 I felt like a little bit of a baby in it. 1:42:31.920 --> 1:42:33.600 This was like a year after the I did the 1:42:33.600 --> 1:42:35.600 waitress thing, so this was I know, this was my 1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:39.120 third job I did. I did the SVU, then I 1:42:39.160 --> 1:42:41.600 did a law and Order proper and then this was 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:44.519 my third job ever. And I remember being. 1:42:44.320 --> 1:42:46.800 Like, Okay, I'll do it because you're the boss, but 1:42:46.840 --> 1:42:49.880 I don't agree. And then of course on the van 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:53.719 ride home, I thought she came home and her friend 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:56.840 was chopped up into little like of course, Lisa, of 1:42:56.920 --> 1:42:59.280 course you're HYSTERI Alex. 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:01.519 It's not too much. 1:43:01.640 --> 1:43:03.000 And then when I saw it, I was like, yeah, 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:06.240 that is that is the appropriate response to coming home 1:43:06.280 --> 1:43:09.760 and your your friend is in pieces, like literal pieces. 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:11.639 You're not doing laundry. 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:15.800 Well, we're big sex in the city heads. Would you 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:19.599 give us some scoop? Yes from the set? 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:22.880 Okay, this is gonna go long. 1:43:23.000 --> 1:43:24.040 Let's go along, guys. 1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:28.439 I have some sorry, of course, because we're also obsessed 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:30.600 with dexter, So honestly, we can just listen to you 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:33.240 for hour, like we're so excited with what you're going 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:33.880 to give us. 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:36.720 Stop the recording, and then we'll have so much tea. 1:43:36.840 --> 1:43:39.479 I just feel like, oh gosh, Dexter, you're taking me back. 1:43:39.520 --> 1:43:41.680 So Sex and the City was, of course lovely, and 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:44.519 it was the It helped that it was like the episode. 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:46.280 I don't know if you guys remember, well, if you're 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:48.200 Sex and the City heads, you will the whole like, 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:52.720 he's not that into movement. And so I was the 1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:57.080 girl that Miranda stopped on the street or she's like 1:43:57.200 --> 1:43:59.720 getting her launch and she had just been told this 1:43:59.760 --> 1:44:01.640 Byry's new boyfriend that he's not just into you, and 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:03.559 then she sees like a bunch of twenty year olds 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:06.120 and I'm I And it was a lot of improv. 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:09.000 The line I was given was you know, he's not 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:11.360 calling me because he has to get his kitchen redone. 1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:14.160 And my friend was like, oh, yeah, totally, that's why 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:15.040 is that call you back? 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:16.559 And then we had to keep going. 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:18.080 So I was like, yeah, you got to take out 1:44:18.080 --> 1:44:19.680 the wires, you got to take out the food, you 1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:21.680 got to make. It's a whole process. It's like a 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:25.840 three day process. And then she comes in and she's like, yeah, 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:28.800 I'm sorry, he's just not that into you. And then 1:44:28.840 --> 1:44:30.720 she walks away and I call her a bitch. So 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:33.479 it was that's the way to be on sex in 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:33.880 the City. 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:37.120 Such an iconic New York moment, like eating lunch on 1:44:37.160 --> 1:44:39.639 the steps, like I just I like that. 1:44:39.920 --> 1:44:43.000 Yes, yeah, with all the other you know, people in 1:44:43.080 --> 1:44:44.720 suits eating their salads. 1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:47.000 Yeah, it was great, it was great. 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:48.080 Yeah. 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:52.000 What do you get recognized from the most uh? 1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:57.320 For being other actors? No, that was a joke, for 1:44:57.439 --> 1:45:00.760 being the one Asian American or some they know. No, 1:45:02.600 --> 1:45:06.479 you know what ncis to the point where like I went, 1:45:06.520 --> 1:45:09.479 I visited a friend in Paris a long time ago, 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:14.360 and the woman checking me in, let's just see me. 1:45:18.560 --> 1:45:24.080 But you've you've played like so many cops, detectives, agents. 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:25.800 What is it about you you think that? 1:45:26.000 --> 1:45:28.920 Like, you know, I would look at you and think like, yeah, 1:45:28.960 --> 1:45:31.680 this lady went to the police academy and is going 1:45:31.720 --> 1:45:34.320 to kick my ass, Like, but you know you carry 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:35.280 that in these shows. 1:45:35.600 --> 1:45:36.679 Yeah, I don't know. 1:45:36.760 --> 1:45:39.639 Maybe it's the Queen's shining through, like you know, she's 1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:42.439 pack and she's down a pocket knife somewhere in her 1:45:42.680 --> 1:45:46.439 manicure set. Or I don't know, I do think it 1:45:46.520 --> 1:45:50.719 goes in phases, like the the whatever decision makers, industry, 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:52.600 whatever you want to call it. They the powers that 1:45:52.640 --> 1:45:54.439 be kind of decide what you are in that moment. 1:45:55.080 --> 1:45:58.200 And I went through, uh, especially when I first landed. 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:00.360 I went through like the new beeface, Like I I 1:46:00.479 --> 1:46:02.120 was the cop, the lawyer or the whatever. But I 1:46:02.160 --> 1:46:06.479 was new because I was so young. And then after 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:11.000 that I got casting one single camera comedy as like 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:13.760 the Girl next Door with but she had a young kid. 1:46:13.840 --> 1:46:16.400 And then I had like four other things where okay, 1:46:16.439 --> 1:46:19.479 she's the she's the girl next door with the young mom. 1:46:19.960 --> 1:46:22.240 And then I did Crazy Stupid Love and I played 1:46:22.240 --> 1:46:23.559 Emma Stone's best friend and we. 1:46:25.520 --> 1:46:26.559 It was very raunchy. 1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:29.479 We were again we got to improv about how hot 1:46:29.600 --> 1:46:36.559 Brian Gosslin was, which was so difficult guys and pack sick, 1:46:37.320 --> 1:46:40.760 and then I was so then I was like everybody's 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:43.559 best friend for a while. So I think, I think 1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:47.920 it's like what you're seeing doing and then if a 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:49.600 just if someone who's in the power to make a 1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:51.559 decision likes it, then they tend to bring you in 1:46:51.600 --> 1:46:55.640 for that again. But I remember, like I didn't know 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:58.040 from pr again. No one in my family did this. 1:46:58.040 --> 1:46:59.439 This was just something that I like to do, and 1:46:59.479 --> 1:47:01.160 I was like, I guess I'll try it. So I 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:03.120 don't know for many of this stuff, but an article 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:06.280 appeared I want to say it was two thousand and 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:09.840 eight that was called Dear Hollywood, you need to give 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:13.200 Wese Lapiras something else to do. And I couldn't tell 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:15.360 if it was for me or it gets me. I 1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:17.880 think it was a nice thing. You got to run 1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:20.600 the line, but it was like, hey, listen, she's the 1:47:20.680 --> 1:47:22.600 new being fast and furio, she's the newbie and this 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:25.439 she's a newbie, and huff like give her something. I 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:27.240 think it was nice towards me because it was like, 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:28.760 she can do other things. 1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:31.360 That's cool. I love that someone wrote that about you. 1:47:32.120 --> 1:47:36.120 So you know, like you said, you're doing TV movies, comedy, drama, procedurals. 1:47:36.720 --> 1:47:38.760 I'm assuming you love it all. Do you prefer one 1:47:38.800 --> 1:47:41.760 over the other? Like do you are little parts of each? 1:47:41.840 --> 1:47:43.960 Do you prefer it's school? You do it all? 1:47:44.720 --> 1:47:45.040 Thank you. 1:47:45.280 --> 1:47:47.800 I think now that I'm getting older, it has to 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:50.439 do with the environment more than the genre. I think 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:52.639 if the people are cool and the writing school I'll 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:56.200 basically want to do it because yeah, I really like 1:47:56.240 --> 1:47:59.080 where I am now, and I can imagine a scenario 1:47:59.160 --> 1:48:01.320 where I'm doing some thing I don't know. I don't 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:02.760 even know what I want, but I'll just throw it 1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:04.880 out there. I think what actors are supposed to want 1:48:05.000 --> 1:48:06.960 is like something maybe more edgy, or something more this, 1:48:07.080 --> 1:48:09.800 or something more that or and I can picture that 1:48:09.880 --> 1:48:12.679 and I can like it. But then if I picture 1:48:13.040 --> 1:48:16.160 the people not being cool or warm or kind or 1:48:16.240 --> 1:48:19.120 lacking in integrity, then it's hell on Earth. So yeah, 1:48:19.200 --> 1:48:21.960 final answer, it has to do with the quality of 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:22.759 people around. 1:48:23.479 --> 1:48:25.360 And you don't have to name names, but have you 1:48:25.400 --> 1:48:27.000 been on sets that are hell on Earth? 1:48:27.880 --> 1:48:28.559 I think yeah. 1:48:28.600 --> 1:48:32.120 I think everyone has worked with and I have friends 1:48:32.160 --> 1:48:35.240 in the real world. I have finance friends, I have 1:48:35.640 --> 1:48:39.200 fashion friends, And I think it's a I truly think 1:48:39.240 --> 1:48:43.679 it's a when it's important, I e. When maybe there's 1:48:43.680 --> 1:48:46.439 a lot of money or prestige attached to it, people 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:51.439 can get cray because they're like, everything just becomes at 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:56.800 a level ten and you're truer personnel. I think it 1:48:56.840 --> 1:48:59.479 heightens what is already there. So if you were already 1:48:59.479 --> 1:49:01.519 a little bit of bully it's gonna be worse if 1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:04.360 you're already you know, kind or already kind of a 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:05.160 natural leader. 1:49:05.160 --> 1:49:07.000 It's going to exacerbate what's already there. 1:49:08.360 --> 1:49:11.200 Yeah, I love the sirens. It's very New York. I 1:49:11.320 --> 1:49:12.479 like the sounds of New York. 1:49:12.560 --> 1:49:12.800 I do. 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:14.320 I think it fits the show. 1:49:15.640 --> 1:49:17.920 But yeah, I loved Don't Trust the Being Apartment twenty 1:49:17.960 --> 1:49:20.760 three too. I just love it was so fun going 1:49:20.800 --> 1:49:23.080 through everything you've done, being like, oh, I've watched so 1:49:23.200 --> 1:49:23.640 much of this. 1:49:24.120 --> 1:49:27.880 Yeah, and Unbelievable was like an amazing show that is 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:31.200 I think very like adjacent to the SVU your universe, 1:49:31.320 --> 1:49:33.360 like in subject matter, you know. 1:49:33.840 --> 1:49:36.439 One hundred percent and that's the true crime of it. 1:49:36.640 --> 1:49:39.519 Yeah, And I loved that and like everybody in it 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:41.639 was just so excellent. What was working with like Tony 1:49:41.680 --> 1:49:43.920 Kollette and Merret Weaver, was that like a good experience. 1:49:44.120 --> 1:49:51.160 Like Tony Collette is amazing as an actor, and she 1:49:51.880 --> 1:49:53.960 wasn't one of those that would jump in and out. 1:49:54.320 --> 1:49:55.880 I mean, she wasn't one of those that would stay 1:49:55.920 --> 1:49:58.439 in the accent, which I think is easier. She would 1:49:58.520 --> 1:50:02.120 just shoot and then talk to her kid and her 1:50:02.160 --> 1:50:06.080 normal and her normal accent is so strong, it's not 1:50:06.080 --> 1:50:08.479 not even a mix of that and American. And so 1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:13.759 the technicality of that alone was impressive. And then add 1:50:13.800 --> 1:50:17.320 to it that her end merit. Gosh, they just gave 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:22.000 so much depth to what easily could have been a 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:24.839 run of the mill procedural whatever. 1:50:25.920 --> 1:50:28.639 Are there lessons from you know, you mentioned Tony being 1:50:28.640 --> 1:50:31.519 able to go in and out of accents? Are there 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:34.400 any lessons over your career you've seen or taken from 1:50:34.479 --> 1:50:35.960 set that you think about often? 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:39.960 Well, Look, work ethic is big, right, I was, but 1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:43.120 I was trained to have really bad work at Like 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:45.400 my my teacher. 1:50:45.160 --> 1:50:47.000 Was a borderline. 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:50.000 I wasn't abusive per se, but it was very like 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:53.920 if you're not giving one hundred percent, then go home, 1:50:54.040 --> 1:50:56.680 Like why are you, Like, don't put my name on 1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:59.400 your resume like that if you're going to put out 1:50:59.439 --> 1:51:02.240 that what you just did with your half ass homework, 1:51:02.439 --> 1:51:03.160 like take me off. 1:51:03.160 --> 1:51:04.679 As a teacher was very tough. 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:08.640 She trained like Jim Gandolfini, she trained Kristin Davis, she 1:51:08.680 --> 1:51:10.960 trained a lot of really good actors. And so I 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:14.120 came out with that and then and I think, honestly, 1:51:14.200 --> 1:51:16.080 I think that's the only reason why I worked because 1:51:16.080 --> 1:51:18.680 I mean it was no one was hiring this when 1:51:18.720 --> 1:51:21.479 I was coming out, and and I certainly don't lead 1:51:21.520 --> 1:51:24.280 with sexuality, like as an actress to no one was 1:51:24.439 --> 1:51:26.439 I wasn't selling it and no one was buying it. 1:51:26.640 --> 1:51:29.759 So the only thing I had was that work ethic. 1:51:29.800 --> 1:51:32.479 And then when I got to work, I would see 1:51:32.520 --> 1:51:34.880 the people that I admire have this, like do the 1:51:34.920 --> 1:51:37.880 same thing, and it just reinforced in me like yeah, 1:51:37.920 --> 1:51:41.280 you have to you have to do it, or or 1:51:41.680 --> 1:51:42.800 like you're just coasting and. 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:44.080 What do you? 1:51:44.120 --> 1:51:44.639 What do you? 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:45.800 What good are you? What are you doing? 1:51:46.080 --> 1:51:49.320 The other thing though, I got to work with jud 1:51:49.400 --> 1:51:53.679 Law and I said, this is the thing I want 1:51:53.720 --> 1:51:56.200 to know from you. This is the advice. And he's like, 1:51:56.240 --> 1:51:58.719 what I said, how do you stay away from crafty? 1:51:58.760 --> 1:52:03.320 And it was dead serious. I was dead too, because 1:52:03.400 --> 1:52:05.800 like the first season of Huff, my clothes weren't fitting 1:52:05.800 --> 1:52:08.280 and I was like, and I was so young and dumb. 1:52:08.280 --> 1:52:10.840 I was like, oh la, because you won't walk and 1:52:10.840 --> 1:52:12.759 it's like, you don't think it's the eight grilled cheeses. 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:15.799 Every day I lunch wash out with the pizza. 1:52:15.800 --> 1:52:18.680 I'm like, no, what did he say? 1:52:18.920 --> 1:52:20.960 He legit I'll share with him. 1:52:21.000 --> 1:52:24.680 He legit gave me a good answer. He said, I 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:27.280 go and he did this. People can't see what I'm 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:29.280 doing in my hands. But he was like, I just 1:52:29.920 --> 1:52:32.639 I go into the future of like how I'll feel 1:52:32.680 --> 1:52:34.880 after I just go there. I go there, and then 1:52:34.920 --> 1:52:37.760 I feel it, and then I realized that I don't 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:38.679 want to feel that way. 1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:39.920 And then that's how I say. 1:52:39.800 --> 1:52:44.559 Wah, he time travels mentally. That's interesting, man. 1:52:44.720 --> 1:52:49.920 He emotionally time travels gets upset and then time travels back. 1:52:49.960 --> 1:52:52.960 Oh my gosh, no, because I do what Jude Law does. 1:52:52.960 --> 1:52:54.760 But then I punish myself, like I know I'm going 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:56.679 to feel sick, and then I go, you know what, 1:52:57.320 --> 1:53:01.960 I'm gonna do it anyways, but I'm gonna try self aware, try. 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:05.680 To This is so self aware. I kind of respect it. 1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:07.920 You go there, you go, Oh, I'm gonna feel terrible, 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:09.919 but you know what I'm gonna. 1:53:10.320 --> 1:53:12.280 You're gonna go where you can do it. 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:12.679 Yeah. 1:53:13.280 --> 1:53:15.000 Not at least you're not like ignorant. 1:53:15.040 --> 1:53:18.479 Because I'll talk about my own problems with whatever on 1:53:18.560 --> 1:53:21.040 the podcast and then listeners will give advice and I 1:53:21.080 --> 1:53:22.960 have to tell them like I will never actually do 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:26.160 anything to better myself, so stop it. Like I'm just 1:53:26.240 --> 1:53:28.240 here to complain, and that's how I feel with food. 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:29.880 Sometimes I'm like, I know this is not going to 1:53:29.920 --> 1:53:32.320 make me feel good, but I'm doing it. 1:53:34.080 --> 1:53:35.720 Back and it helps to call it out. 1:53:35.800 --> 1:53:37.680 Yeah, oh right, you. 1:53:38.439 --> 1:53:38.920 Are you gonna? 1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:40.080 I bet we're the same one. 1:53:40.160 --> 1:53:40.479 No you? 1:53:40.560 --> 1:53:41.360 Then you go? You go? 1:53:41.720 --> 1:53:45.880 Okay, So your character is just see as forensic tech. 1:53:46.000 --> 1:53:48.680 There's no name to her, which annoys us. Did you 1:53:48.720 --> 1:53:49.439 give her a name? 1:53:50.320 --> 1:53:52.960 Yes, I'll shoot, but it was like fifteen years ago. 1:53:52.960 --> 1:53:54.639 I can't remember, but I did give her a name. 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:57.600 I did give her a name. I always do. 1:53:57.680 --> 1:54:00.559 I did an episode of Blue Bloods like on a fly, 1:54:00.800 --> 1:54:02.200 and it was the same thing, and I was like, 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:04.519 you need to you need to give it a name. 1:54:04.560 --> 1:54:06.680 I think at that point my agent asked for it, 1:54:06.880 --> 1:54:08.519 which is such a weird thing to ask, but I 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:11.960 don't want to. Gosh, what is Jenny? I can't remember that. 1:54:12.080 --> 1:54:13.160 It's okay, that's okay. 1:54:13.320 --> 1:54:15.680 So because you did like the first two seasons and 1:54:15.720 --> 1:54:18.439 then you came back for like seasons eight and nine 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:22.000 to play this like recurring tech who was fun. 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:25.080 To work with, Like, give us the scoop ice munch like. 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:28.120 I mean, I didn't get them. 1:54:28.120 --> 1:54:31.280 I only got ice and lunch for the for this 1:54:31.360 --> 1:54:35.400 episode that we're talking about. Yeah, I was always with 1:54:36.720 --> 1:54:38.440 Marish good Elliott. 1:54:38.680 --> 1:54:40.120 Did you notice his butt? 1:54:40.400 --> 1:54:41.839 I did not notice his butt? 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:44.840 Was what about? Well, you know his butt has taken 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:45.800 the Internet by storm. 1:54:45.920 --> 1:54:49.120 I don't know this, No, I know, I thought in 1:54:49.120 --> 1:54:49.800 America's butt. 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:52.120 I thought it was Chris the other No. 1:54:52.680 --> 1:54:55.520 So the new show came out with the Organized Crime 1:54:55.560 --> 1:54:58.040 and he's really into working out and he's sixteen. He 1:54:58.080 --> 1:55:01.560 looks incredible, And then all the gifts and memes started 1:55:01.560 --> 1:55:03.520 coming out from the show with his ass, and then 1:55:03.600 --> 1:55:06.600 he did a men's health spread and interview magazine where 1:55:06.600 --> 1:55:10.680 he's like really tight clothing and splits, pulling cars, eating 1:55:10.760 --> 1:55:14.360 pizza like and everyone just had like a summer of 1:55:14.400 --> 1:55:16.520 wanting all about Malana's ass. 1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:18.960 There would also be photos of him, like on set 1:55:19.000 --> 1:55:21.440 on STU that people were finding old photos of him 1:55:21.480 --> 1:55:25.280 like doing like lunges with like butt cheeks like clenched, 1:55:25.920 --> 1:55:27.720 and it's just funny, like. 1:55:27.760 --> 1:55:29.800 Yeah, he has like he's pulling someone out of the 1:55:29.840 --> 1:55:32.720 water or like dunking a criminal, but his legs are 1:55:32.760 --> 1:55:35.720 spread like a stripper and his butts. Just people were like, 1:55:35.760 --> 1:55:39.320 what the fuck? So there was just like a big 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:40.800 thing last year of the ass. 1:55:41.920 --> 1:55:43.600 But yeah, we weren't trying to just put you on 1:55:43.640 --> 1:55:45.080 the spot and be like are you a pervert? 1:55:45.120 --> 1:55:46.320 Were you noticing his ass? 1:55:46.360 --> 1:55:48.880 Like this is actually has a cultural relevance in the zone. 1:55:49.960 --> 1:55:52.360 I missed it. I missed it. It had not made it 1:55:52.440 --> 1:55:54.320 stribute back then. 1:55:54.160 --> 1:55:57.000 Then you seem like you're busy working and not reading 1:55:57.000 --> 1:55:58.840 blogs about Chris Maloney's ass all the time. 1:55:58.880 --> 1:56:00.000 So congratulations. 1:56:00.280 --> 1:56:01.880 I feel like, I don't know, I could do some 1:56:01.960 --> 1:56:02.360 work on it. 1:56:03.200 --> 1:56:05.040 You were really close to the butt though, that's a 1:56:05.120 --> 1:56:06.400 shame several times. 1:56:06.520 --> 1:56:09.200 I mean, but I'm thinking, yeah, well. 1:56:09.000 --> 1:56:13.840 And you have a movie, yeah, about the fabulous Filipino brothers. 1:56:13.960 --> 1:56:16.120 Well, I watched the trailer. It looks amazing. 1:56:16.880 --> 1:56:17.800 Oh good good. 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:19.400 It just came out. 1:56:20.240 --> 1:56:21.160 What's today? The night? 1:56:21.160 --> 1:56:23.200 It came out yesterday? It came out the eighth. It's 1:56:23.240 --> 1:56:30.160 available on all streaming. It's very independent, bootstrapped, like creating 1:56:30.200 --> 1:56:34.600 opportunities where there is none. It's the Bosco brothers who 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:37.200 were They just have been doing it since before they 1:56:37.240 --> 1:56:39.440 were doing it, since they were ten years old. And 1:56:39.480 --> 1:56:42.680 it's the four brothers and a sister, and so they 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:45.160 just wrote this movie about their family, about their town 1:56:45.520 --> 1:56:50.120 in Pittsburgh, the other Pittsburgh, the West coast Pittsburgh. And 1:56:50.200 --> 1:56:53.600 it's it's kind of like a my big fat Greek 1:56:53.640 --> 1:56:57.800 wedding in that it's very family and like crazy family 1:56:57.880 --> 1:57:02.200 but love and like they're whatever culturalism is, but that 1:57:02.400 --> 1:57:04.840 really translate into every culture, you know what I mean. 1:57:05.080 --> 1:57:08.080 But it's raunchy, so it's not it's like a family comedy, 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:10.840 but it's like don't take your kids. There's like there's 1:57:10.880 --> 1:57:14.640 a lot of it's very like dude humor in the 1:57:14.680 --> 1:57:19.440 best way. There's a lot of raunchy sex stuff but 1:57:19.520 --> 1:57:22.000 no nudity. I can't really explain. But it's funny. An 1:57:22.520 --> 1:57:24.320 it's funny, it's delightful, and. 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:27.320 You're like a love interest, right, I like the love interest. 1:57:27.360 --> 1:57:29.760 So again an opportunity that you know, because unless I 1:57:29.840 --> 1:57:35.880 produce it, I'm not usually given that, you know. And 1:57:36.040 --> 1:57:38.560 it's the same with them. These are four leading men. 1:57:38.640 --> 1:57:40.760 They've been doing it for thirty years, but they were 1:57:40.760 --> 1:57:44.200 never given leads. So they created and the movie's cool 1:57:44.200 --> 1:57:47.720 because there's four brothers and the idea was like, Holly, 1:57:47.840 --> 1:57:50.160 we've been working, we've been supporting ourselves, but we've never 1:57:50.200 --> 1:57:52.600 been leads. So we're going to give each one of 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:55.080 us a lead. And so they're the lead of their 1:57:55.120 --> 1:57:57.560 own vignette and then it ties up at the end. 1:57:57.680 --> 1:58:02.120 And by doing that, they accidentally created some Filipino American 1:58:02.120 --> 1:58:05.480 female leads. And I got to be the girl as 1:58:05.480 --> 1:58:08.840 opposed to like the girl's friend or the neighbor that 1:58:08.960 --> 1:58:12.320 wants to kill the girl or yeah, I got to 1:58:12.360 --> 1:58:14.960 be I got to be the whatever what they say, 1:58:15.000 --> 1:58:18.200 the hero in my own story. But aside from that, 1:58:18.240 --> 1:58:21.680 because I can get really like what diversity means and 1:58:21.680 --> 1:58:23.800 how it's good for everyone and everyone needs the seat 1:58:23.840 --> 1:58:25.920 at the table and it makes entertainment better, and it's 1:58:25.920 --> 1:58:28.640 like it gets all heady when really it's just it's 1:58:28.680 --> 1:58:31.000 a good movie. It's a good funny movie. People will 1:58:31.040 --> 1:58:34.440 laugh their ass off hopefully or be deeply offended, and 1:58:34.480 --> 1:58:36.120 that that's worth that's worth. 1:58:35.840 --> 1:58:38.200 The price of talking about it. 1:58:38.680 --> 1:58:40.520 Yeah, so I hope I hope people say it. 1:58:40.520 --> 1:58:43.120 It's not like it's on all the streaming Amazon and 1:58:43.160 --> 1:58:44.240 the Apple and all that. 1:58:44.640 --> 1:58:46.880 I also love that you mentioned and because my big 1:58:46.920 --> 1:58:49.360 fat Greek wedding, Like I wasn't Greed, I'm not Greek, 1:58:49.760 --> 1:58:51.920 but we're Russian and we relate it, and so it's 1:58:51.960 --> 1:58:55.400 like the specific to the macro. So it's about these 1:58:55.560 --> 1:58:59.080 Filipino brothers. But of course if you're an immigrant or 1:58:59.200 --> 1:59:02.080 you're going to relate too percent. 1:59:02.480 --> 1:59:04.160 Oh, I had the same experience you did. 1:59:04.240 --> 1:59:04.480 I was. 1:59:04.600 --> 1:59:07.560 I sat at that movie theater with my best friends 1:59:07.560 --> 1:59:10.360 Columbia and my other best friend's Dominican, and we all 1:59:10.480 --> 1:59:13.160 three of us left that movie theater like that was 1:59:13.200 --> 1:59:16.240 about me, except instead of a goat, like we do, 1:59:16.320 --> 1:59:19.000 pigs on it, but something's on a thicket, Like something's 1:59:19.000 --> 1:59:21.040 going to be on a sticket and you're gonna eat 1:59:21.080 --> 1:59:23.800 the skin and it's going to be delicious, and there's 1:59:23.840 --> 1:59:25.240 going to be, you know, crazy. 1:59:25.040 --> 1:59:26.080 People giving you advice. 1:59:26.160 --> 1:59:26.880 So I don't know. 1:59:26.920 --> 1:59:28.880 I hope you guys. I hope you guys see it. 1:59:28.880 --> 1:59:29.960 I hope everybody. 1:59:29.560 --> 1:59:32.360 Sees it and just like supports them because it's really cute. 1:59:32.640 --> 1:59:34.560 Yeah, we would have loved to out. 1:59:34.720 --> 1:59:37.840 It might be a weird statement, but we did have 1:59:37.920 --> 1:59:40.840 the King of the Philippines on lou Diamond Phillips on 1:59:40.840 --> 1:59:41.600 this podcast. 1:59:44.200 --> 1:59:48.240 Something happen that I didn't know the democracy to Okay, 1:59:49.440 --> 1:59:51.839 the actual King of the Philippines came on podcast. 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:53.320 Yeah, I need to get on CNN. 1:59:53.400 --> 1:59:57.680 We like changed governmental structures, yeah, blue Diamond Phillips. 1:59:57.760 --> 2:00:03.120 Yeah, it just felt very Yeah, we just our Filipino 2:00:03.200 --> 2:00:06.800 friend was like, he's like, he's the one that coined 2:00:06.840 --> 2:00:08.720 him the King of the Philippines. We did not do that, 2:00:08.800 --> 2:00:11.640 but it was thrilling to talk to him. But if 2:00:11.680 --> 2:00:14.760 you wanted to talk anything about you know, you mentioned 2:00:14.800 --> 2:00:18.880 how early on people were not really casting like Asian 2:00:18.880 --> 2:00:20.880 actresses and there wasn't a lot of people and now 2:00:20.920 --> 2:00:24.080 twenty years later, it does seem different if you wanted 2:00:24.080 --> 2:00:25.040 to touch on that, if we. 2:00:25.000 --> 2:00:27.520 Wanted to just end, like whatever kind of you feel. 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:30.960 Yeah, No, I always loved talking about stuff. 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:33.840 Because we talked to Beatie Wong and something we talked about, 2:00:33.920 --> 2:00:37.000 oh yeah, because he was on this podcast list culturalisas 2:00:37.040 --> 2:00:38.640 that we both like, and how he was talking about 2:00:38.640 --> 2:00:42.360 how he was on Madame Butterfly or some thing decades 2:00:42.400 --> 2:00:45.440 ago where it was an all Asian group. But he 2:00:45.520 --> 2:00:47.800 it made him great, full and happy, but then he 2:00:47.880 --> 2:00:50.000 was also pissed that it had to be this specific 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:51.000 big Asian thing. 2:00:51.040 --> 2:00:53.080 To have a big group of Asians. 2:00:53.160 --> 2:00:55.840 Like, so it was this double edged sword where he 2:00:55.880 --> 2:00:58.000 was happy to be with everyone but annoyed he can't 2:00:58.040 --> 2:01:01.760 just always experience that he mentioned like being on set 2:01:01.760 --> 2:01:04.280 and being able to talk about these like specific mushrooms 2:01:04.280 --> 2:01:06.400 with Bow and Yang, and he had never been on 2:01:06.440 --> 2:01:09.560 a set and been able to like talk about these mushrooms. 2:01:09.600 --> 2:01:12.160 I forgot what they were called, but like it's like 2:01:12.200 --> 2:01:14.560 these little moments made him feel very special. 2:01:14.760 --> 2:01:18.080 Yeah, wow, that makes me feel like, I mean, I'm 2:01:18.080 --> 2:01:20.680 gonna go a little bit bigger. There's a lot of women, 2:01:21.680 --> 2:01:24.960 a lot it's parody. There's like fifty percent women now 2:01:25.000 --> 2:01:29.240 in the equalizer in leadership roles, and that's very much 2:01:29.320 --> 2:01:35.560 by design. And I feel a difference when I communicate 2:01:35.680 --> 2:01:38.400 an idea. And it's one of those things where I 2:01:38.440 --> 2:01:41.760 didn't realize that it had. There had been extra barriers 2:01:41.800 --> 2:01:45.480 to trying to communicate my point until I had a 2:01:45.480 --> 2:01:47.920 female director and a female writer and a female producer 2:01:48.200 --> 2:01:52.000 and I just said less. And I was just able 2:01:52.040 --> 2:01:54.200 to say less because there was a collective like, oh, 2:01:54.200 --> 2:01:57.320 I get it. And that's how I relate to that 2:01:57.400 --> 2:02:01.280 Bowen BD story. And I think I think it's also 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:06.320 a good thing that it can be this huge Asian 2:02:06.320 --> 2:02:10.080 American cast and have an American flavor to it, as 2:02:10.160 --> 2:02:12.600 opposed to what he was saying, where it's okay, it's 2:02:12.600 --> 2:02:15.440 all Asian, but it's very Asian from Asia, which has 2:02:15.480 --> 2:02:18.200 its value. It's just when it's too much one thing, 2:02:18.400 --> 2:02:21.680 I think that's when it's bad. When it's like, you know, 2:02:21.720 --> 2:02:23.800 we'll have a gay person on the Gay Show and 2:02:23.840 --> 2:02:28.240 it's gay, I feel like, all right, but now let's 2:02:28.280 --> 2:02:33.080 have let's just diversify our portfolio. And I think the 2:02:33.080 --> 2:02:35.840 more narratives we can put out there, I think narratives 2:02:35.840 --> 2:02:41.800 are the the silver bullet to pigeonholing a particular group 2:02:41.840 --> 2:02:42.680 of people or race. 2:02:42.720 --> 2:02:45.280 I think, you know, I came up, but I never 2:02:45.440 --> 2:02:46.120 wanted to. 2:02:46.120 --> 2:02:50.600 Be, nor should anyone be like the Filipino American or 2:02:50.640 --> 2:02:54.880 Asian American voice. And that's it, and that's very much 2:02:55.200 --> 2:02:57.080 what they we're trying to do to Margaret show. That's 2:02:57.160 --> 2:02:58.840 very much what they do when there's like, oh, there's 2:02:59.160 --> 2:03:02.760 one and the only way other than saying it with 2:03:02.840 --> 2:03:05.120 your voice, the only way is to show them. And 2:03:05.160 --> 2:03:07.960 part of the reason why I love the what the 2:03:08.000 --> 2:03:11.760 Bosco family did with the Filipino fabulous Filipino brothers. It's 2:03:11.800 --> 2:03:14.360 for leading men. So yeah, they're all Filipino, but there's 2:03:14.400 --> 2:03:15.920 like the good one, the you know what I. 2:03:15.960 --> 2:03:16.280 Mean, the. 2:03:17.800 --> 2:03:20.800 Fuck up the ladies man, the dark one. 2:03:20.800 --> 2:03:24.000 There's it's like, you can't there's not one way to 2:03:24.040 --> 2:03:27.000 be a Filipino leading man, you know, there's not one 2:03:27.040 --> 2:03:30.960 way to be a Filipino leading lady's. We have many 2:03:30.960 --> 2:03:32.800 flavors and we would never in a million years be 2:03:32.880 --> 2:03:36.440 like there's one way to be a blonde American actor 2:03:36.520 --> 2:03:40.040 or actress like this is it's like Reese Witherspoon or 2:03:40.320 --> 2:03:42.560 you know, it's Helen Mirren and that's it and you 2:03:42.600 --> 2:03:44.320 know what I mean, Or it's Amy Schumann. That's all 2:03:44.320 --> 2:03:46.680 you get. And I think that's what we do to 2:03:46.760 --> 2:03:51.400 underserved invisible cultures sometimes. So it's moving the needle because 2:03:51.400 --> 2:03:53.720 we are everything that I'm saying is happening. 2:03:53.760 --> 2:03:55.120 We're putting out narratives. 2:03:55.320 --> 2:03:58.320 People are going to see narratives, which is the important 2:03:58.400 --> 2:04:00.960 thing because we can talk about doing things out of 2:04:01.000 --> 2:04:03.440 the goodness of our hearts all we want, but nothing 2:04:03.520 --> 2:04:07.240 really moves the decision makers, I guess, or the people 2:04:07.440 --> 2:04:11.160 handling the purse strings like the dollar dollar bill, like 2:04:11.440 --> 2:04:16.919 once Crazy Occasions or Black Panther or Fast and Furious, 2:04:16.960 --> 2:04:18.840 even which if you look at that cast is. 2:04:19.040 --> 2:04:20.760 All the diverse. 2:04:20.960 --> 2:04:24.800 Yeah, once you see like eight billion, then that's the thing. 2:04:24.880 --> 2:04:27.960 Not like kindness or human sense or integrity. It's like, oh, 2:04:28.240 --> 2:04:30.480 fifty trillion dollars, we should. 2:04:30.440 --> 2:04:31.400 People will go through this. 2:04:32.840 --> 2:04:37.640 But I really do think it makes things funnier, like legit, yeah, 2:04:37.640 --> 2:04:40.280 the kindness of our hearts. But I think when there's 2:04:40.320 --> 2:04:43.280 more diverse you guys are writers. When there's more diverse 2:04:43.320 --> 2:04:46.839 points of view in the room, just more funnier shit happens. 2:04:47.160 --> 2:04:50.040 I always say, the people that are so against it, 2:04:50.120 --> 2:04:52.680 like you guys are missing out. You know, they're missing 2:04:52.680 --> 2:04:55.880 out on so many amazing talented people and cool performances 2:04:55.920 --> 2:04:58.000 and shows because of their ignorance. Where it's like you 2:04:58.000 --> 2:05:01.200 don't understand how much fun and smart and talented things 2:05:01.280 --> 2:05:04.720 you don't get to experience because you're scared of seeing 2:05:04.760 --> 2:05:05.920 something outside of yourself. 2:05:06.440 --> 2:05:08.480 Yeah, and the audience is missing out on that too. 2:05:09.080 --> 2:05:11.440 There's room for everybody. And I think part of the 2:05:11.480 --> 2:05:16.440 reticence is that like this idea that oh, that diversity 2:05:16.520 --> 2:05:19.480 is going to push me out, when in fact, it's like, no, 2:05:19.600 --> 2:05:22.880 we can all build something even funnier to get like 2:05:22.920 --> 2:05:24.320 we're all just going to get richer. 2:05:24.720 --> 2:05:26.760 Yeah, you could be the silly white best friend in 2:05:26.800 --> 2:05:29.200 an Asian show. You know that would be great. 2:05:29.760 --> 2:05:31.920 Yeah, let's you and me do a pilot where it's 2:05:31.960 --> 2:05:39.520 like all the best friends, like there's no. 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:38.640 A and we're always on the phone. 2:05:39.080 --> 2:05:42.320 Like a typical scene would be like, ah, Marcy has 2:05:42.320 --> 2:05:43.920 a problem with man again. 2:05:43.960 --> 2:05:46.200 I got to get over there and help her see 2:05:46.200 --> 2:05:47.080 that he's the one. 2:05:47.400 --> 2:05:49.960 And you're like, I totally have to help my friend move, 2:05:51.080 --> 2:05:52.520 you know what I mean. It was just us talking 2:05:52.520 --> 2:05:53.480 about our friends. 2:05:53.440 --> 2:05:55.600 Talking about your best friends that we never see. 2:05:56.000 --> 2:05:58.280 Yeah, we don't have any lives. Oh that's so good. 2:06:02.040 --> 2:06:05.680 All right, that was fun. Yeah, she's fun. I'm glad 2:06:05.680 --> 2:06:08.520 we both discovered that we worked in upscale children's clothing 2:06:08.600 --> 2:06:10.320 as young people, because. 2:06:10.400 --> 2:06:13.960 I actually know other comedians that have done that. Oh really, Yeah, 2:06:14.000 --> 2:06:16.120 I think it's maybe a thing because the stores are 2:06:16.160 --> 2:06:18.760 dead and the folding is tiny. 2:06:19.080 --> 2:06:23.000 Yeah, we love well, I didn't even do comedy when 2:06:23.040 --> 2:06:25.280 I worked, like I was so young, but like you know, 2:06:25.480 --> 2:06:27.800 I loved and then once you work in retail where 2:06:27.800 --> 2:06:29.880 you have to fold close. Every time you go into 2:06:29.920 --> 2:06:32.640 another store, you fold close, and people think you work there. 2:06:32.960 --> 2:06:34.600 Like every time I would go into other stores, I 2:06:34.600 --> 2:06:36.400 would like look at a sweater and then refold in. 2:06:36.440 --> 2:06:37.480 People would be excuse me, do. 2:06:37.440 --> 2:06:37.920 You work here? 2:06:38.480 --> 2:06:41.080 And I'd be like, let me alone, you know, because 2:06:41.120 --> 2:06:42.360 I don't want to talk to people. Now. 2:06:42.480 --> 2:06:43.480 I never worked in reach. 2:06:43.520 --> 2:06:45.680 I should have just pretended I did. You didn't. 2:06:46.120 --> 2:06:50.560 Never. I was food service, reception and child's care. 2:06:50.640 --> 2:06:53.840 Mostly. I never did retail. I don't think I could. 2:06:54.520 --> 2:06:56.440 Yeah, it was my high school job, and then a 2:06:56.440 --> 2:06:58.360 little bit and then in college, and then a little 2:06:58.360 --> 2:07:00.200 bit after college, and then that was it. 2:07:00.280 --> 2:07:03.240 But it likes it like you have to be very 2:07:03.280 --> 2:07:06.600 pleasant and very neat, and I don't want that. Oh yeah, 2:07:06.640 --> 2:07:06.880 you do. 2:07:07.000 --> 2:07:08.960 You have to be really nice. I remember, like I 2:07:09.040 --> 2:07:09.240 used to. 2:07:09.280 --> 2:07:12.280 You know, I love Cheetos, and I like the hard 2:07:12.320 --> 2:07:15.000 crunchy kind of Cheetos, and I would get them on 2:07:15.040 --> 2:07:17.280 my brakes, but I obviously couldn't get like cheeto dust 2:07:17.320 --> 2:07:19.280 all over my fucking hands and then go fold like 2:07:19.320 --> 2:07:22.320 beautiful white lay at clothing, so like I would fucking 2:07:22.320 --> 2:07:25.840 eat Cheetos with a fork on my break like a 2:07:25.920 --> 2:07:30.520 weirdo so much. Yeah, I was seventeen. I was like, 2:07:30.560 --> 2:07:34.720 I'm obviously eating cheetos. What else did we learn? 2:07:34.800 --> 2:07:35.000 Yeah? 2:07:35.040 --> 2:07:36.320 What did we learned? Philis? 2:07:36.480 --> 2:07:38.280 I mean everything. I didn't know any of my. 2:07:38.200 --> 2:07:41.040 God, I didn't know the post mortem of this. 2:07:42.080 --> 2:07:45.320 This is actually the most post mortem that any of 2:07:45.320 --> 2:07:48.440 our episodes have been. I didn't know about syphilis penicillin. 2:07:49.120 --> 2:07:51.160 Life Insurance has to tell you stuff. 2:07:51.320 --> 2:07:54.120 Yeah, you have to report STDs to the health department. 2:07:54.320 --> 2:07:57.240 Yeah, yeah, that it's not that you can only pass 2:07:57.280 --> 2:07:59.360 syphilis in the beginning and then just live with it 2:07:59.400 --> 2:08:00.920 as it's slowly eats your brain. 2:08:01.160 --> 2:08:02.640 Like I didn't know anything. 2:08:03.560 --> 2:08:07.480 Yeah, wait, what are the like physical symptoms of syphilis? 2:08:07.680 --> 2:08:09.440 Swiss cheese brain is what they say. 2:08:09.560 --> 2:08:12.400 No, that's if you have it for like, you know, decades, 2:08:12.440 --> 2:08:14.360 like he did. But if you just get it from 2:08:14.360 --> 2:08:16.400 like a hookup. I just want to look it up. Really, 2:08:16.440 --> 2:08:18.760 don't we have a vaccine for syphilis or it's not 2:08:18.800 --> 2:08:21.000 a vaccine. You just take an antibiotic. You just take 2:08:21.000 --> 2:08:27.240 penicillin and it goes away. I guess there's like a rash, fever, 2:08:28.560 --> 2:08:34.120 swollen litterness. Yeah, but it said that secondary syphilis can 2:08:34.120 --> 2:08:36.520 be mild and might not be noticed. Okay, so maybe 2:08:36.520 --> 2:08:38.280 that's what he had, because I was like, why didn't 2:08:38.280 --> 2:08:40.360 he like he didn't notice any weirdness when he first 2:08:40.360 --> 2:08:42.840 got it, But I guess he didn't. I either way, 2:08:42.960 --> 2:08:44.880 it's terrifying to think that you could have this like 2:08:45.000 --> 2:08:48.880 latent STD that could just transform you from a loving 2:08:48.960 --> 2:08:52.520 father of two and husband to a full on religious 2:08:52.560 --> 2:08:55.080 serial killer in the space of three years. 2:08:55.360 --> 2:08:55.600 Yeah. 2:08:55.640 --> 2:08:58.000 And also we learned that his wife is chill, Like 2:08:58.280 --> 2:09:00.280 he just held a knife in his the kids room 2:09:00.360 --> 2:09:03.600 and she was like, listen, you can't stay here, but 2:09:03.640 --> 2:09:04.160 you gotta go. 2:09:04.520 --> 2:09:07.520 But you but no big deal, no big gie. Yeah, 2:09:07.560 --> 2:09:09.760 that's definitely a weird move for sure. 2:09:10.320 --> 2:09:14.280 No, this one is fucked up. And uh great acting. 2:09:14.960 --> 2:09:18.160 I like that he was in the Waltons. Yeah. Yeah. 2:09:18.280 --> 2:09:21.360 Karen Allen. Oh, I forgot to mention Karen because everyone's 2:09:21.360 --> 2:09:22.720 gonna write to me. I'm sure about it. But Karen 2:09:22.720 --> 2:09:24.800 Allen was a huge part in the Indiana Jones movies. 2:09:24.840 --> 2:09:27.320 She's the love interest in like two Indiana Jones movies 2:09:27.320 --> 2:09:28.680 and she's in the more recent ones. 2:09:29.280 --> 2:09:33.839 Oh wow, Okay, Indiana Jones stands are listening huge ven diagram. 2:09:33.880 --> 2:09:37.640 I we should make more new ven diagrams. Yeah diagram. 2:09:38.040 --> 2:09:39.520 Oh you know what I saw on the internet. I 2:09:39.560 --> 2:09:41.080 sent it to you in a couple of my other 2:09:41.200 --> 2:09:43.840 virgos in my life, but it was a group of 2:09:44.160 --> 2:09:47.919 it seemed like teens. But they got together and present 2:09:48.200 --> 2:09:51.280 power points to other that I have to do with them, 2:09:51.600 --> 2:09:53.840 and it looked like a really good time. Maybe if 2:09:53.840 --> 2:09:55.720 you still have it or we'll find it and post it. 2:09:55.800 --> 2:09:58.160 But I was like, I would do a PowerPoint person. 2:09:58.320 --> 2:10:00.880 No, it looked so funny, like just they were just 2:10:00.880 --> 2:10:04.760 doing funny specific power points to their friend group, like 2:10:04.880 --> 2:10:08.360 probably like guys, guys, Sheila's dated that are lame or something. 2:10:08.440 --> 2:10:10.080 I don't even I'm making that up, but like, you know, 2:10:10.720 --> 2:10:13.920 it looked so like I could imagine us doing that 2:10:13.960 --> 2:10:16.160 and having a blast, because you know, we love to 2:10:16.200 --> 2:10:16.920 make a PowerPoint. 2:10:17.360 --> 2:10:19.280 Yeah, speaking of we're going on tour. 2:10:20.920 --> 2:10:24.440 There will be games, there will be power points for sure. Yeah, 2:10:24.680 --> 2:10:28.000 one hundred. We really can't not do it. It's where my 2:10:28.120 --> 2:10:33.240 skills thrive. If you're like, where does Lisa come alive? 2:10:33.440 --> 2:10:35.560 It's a power point? Well not really, I do the 2:10:35.600 --> 2:10:38.480 Google power point, So it's a little tough, but I 2:10:38.600 --> 2:10:38.920 make do. 2:10:39.160 --> 2:10:40.960 I make do you do do a good job though 2:10:41.000 --> 2:10:44.040 you are good, good at power Google slides whatever it is. 2:10:44.080 --> 2:10:48.520 I'm a Google slide mask. Have you still been whirdling? 2:10:49.080 --> 2:10:51.600 Yes, it's been getting harder. Have you noticed? I know, 2:10:51.680 --> 2:10:54.000 but I don't mind it. I have of Lisa nodding. 2:10:54.040 --> 2:10:56.240 I want everyone to know. But the New York Times 2:10:56.360 --> 2:10:57.240 is denying it. 2:10:57.480 --> 2:10:58.520 And it's like, I'm. 2:10:58.400 --> 2:11:03.200 Sorry, Nick, Yeah, that was that broke my brain. 2:11:03.280 --> 2:11:06.200 I got it, but like I got it at move 2:11:06.280 --> 2:11:08.280 five and was like I'm about to die, like this 2:11:08.320 --> 2:11:10.560 war doesn't exist, like I with my I was up 2:11:10.600 --> 2:11:12.760 at four in the morning with one of the kids 2:11:12.760 --> 2:11:14.120 and like he had put them back to bed and 2:11:14.160 --> 2:11:15.680 for some reason decided to do the wordle. 2:11:15.800 --> 2:11:17.280 What a mistake, because. 2:11:17.080 --> 2:11:19.360 Then my brain I did in a word that didn't 2:11:19.440 --> 2:11:21.400 have the C in the other letters, just to find 2:11:21.440 --> 2:11:23.800 out is it a wired Oh what is it? Yeah? 2:11:23.920 --> 2:11:26.760 Yeah, sometimes you do like a sacrifice move just to 2:11:27.000 --> 2:11:29.680 stir it up. But somebody messaged justin said, are you 2:11:29.720 --> 2:11:31.800 guys playing wordle on hard mode? I didn't even think 2:11:31.800 --> 2:11:33.280 that was a thing. I thought the whole thing about 2:11:33.280 --> 2:11:35.000 wordle was it was like it's just one way. 2:11:35.360 --> 2:11:38.160 Yeah it is. And people thought Aroma was hard, but 2:11:38.640 --> 2:11:41.200 it didn't. That one didn't stup me. But cynic I 2:11:41.240 --> 2:11:42.200 was like, oh the New York. 2:11:42.040 --> 2:11:44.080 Times, have you done Today's? Have you done Today's? 2:11:44.280 --> 2:11:44.800 Yeah, I did it. 2:11:44.720 --> 2:11:45.880 It was waste last night. 2:11:46.040 --> 2:11:48.400 I might figure it out like Today's wasn't like crazy, 2:11:48.400 --> 2:11:50.200 but it just didn't seem as easy as some of 2:11:50.200 --> 2:11:51.880 the ones were when I first started, Like I was 2:11:51.920 --> 2:11:53.320 getting twos and threes at the beginning. 2:11:53.360 --> 2:11:55.000 I'm like a five all the time now. 2:11:55.600 --> 2:11:57.520 Yeah, I mean, but I don't mind getting it at 2:11:57.520 --> 2:12:00.000 four or five. That never was it for me. Right, 2:12:00.000 --> 2:12:02.040 as long as I get it, I'm happy to me. 2:12:02.120 --> 2:12:04.840 That just is like indicative of the difficulty I think 2:12:04.880 --> 2:12:05.400 a little bit. 2:12:05.920 --> 2:12:08.040 Yeah, no, I'm looking at it. I did get it, 2:12:08.080 --> 2:12:11.760 and I was wasted. It's just your I've been training 2:12:11.800 --> 2:12:12.560 for this for a year. 2:12:12.760 --> 2:12:15.480 Yeah, you're a text twister, like this is your this 2:12:15.520 --> 2:12:16.840 is where you shine. 2:12:16.440 --> 2:12:18.880 And not long Like if there was one extra letter, 2:12:18.960 --> 2:12:21.000 I could be lost, But a five letter word, I 2:12:21.040 --> 2:12:22.840 can handle it. 2:12:22.960 --> 2:12:24.360 That's why wordle is perfect. 2:12:24.480 --> 2:12:27.120 I mean, I'm literally today was like my thirty eighth game, 2:12:27.120 --> 2:12:28.920 thirty ninth game. I can't believe I've been playing this 2:12:29.040 --> 2:12:30.600 like for over a month. I thought it would like 2:12:30.640 --> 2:12:31.800 fizzle out, but well no. 2:12:31.960 --> 2:12:34.680 Someone tweeted like, are we going to finish this or no? 2:12:35.120 --> 2:12:37.360 And I was like, I'll play till I die. Yeah, 2:12:37.440 --> 2:12:41.600 one one a day, Like it's you know, you can't 2:12:41.600 --> 2:12:43.920 get that addicted. Also, I did get attacked on Twitter 2:12:44.000 --> 2:12:47.000 last week. You know, I guess it was a controversial tweet. 2:12:47.040 --> 2:12:49.480 I didn't think anything of it. The person who I 2:12:49.560 --> 2:12:51.800 was subtweeting and making fun of knew it was about 2:12:51.800 --> 2:12:54.320 them and did not care and like laughed about it. 2:12:54.920 --> 2:12:59.120 But Johnny Pemperton, a former guest of ours, he I 2:12:59.240 --> 2:13:01.800 just I got home last night and he just tweeted 2:13:02.360 --> 2:13:03.040 what did I miss? 2:13:03.200 --> 2:13:08.760 Just got here? And I thought that was funny. Yeah, 2:13:08.840 --> 2:13:10.200 like that was crazy. 2:13:10.240 --> 2:13:12.480 If you're interested, go to Lisa's Twitter and see the 2:13:12.760 --> 2:13:14.000 I thought it was pretty innocuous. 2:13:14.040 --> 2:13:15.960 And I am a friend of yours with children. 2:13:15.720 --> 2:13:18.839 But I was just wondering, and some mothers were very helpful. 2:13:18.880 --> 2:13:23.200 I was just wondering the psyche of posting excessively because 2:13:23.240 --> 2:13:25.800 I wrote constantly posting I love seeing children, but I 2:13:25.880 --> 2:13:29.120 like the constant I just was curious at what is 2:13:29.120 --> 2:13:31.440 in the brain, and a lot of moms and people 2:13:31.440 --> 2:13:33.200 that we know wrote I just can't help it. 2:13:33.480 --> 2:13:34.520 I can't stop like. 2:13:34.560 --> 2:13:36.879 Yeah, they're like, my brain is broken. This is interesting 2:13:36.920 --> 2:13:38.400 to me. I know it might not be interesting to 2:13:38.400 --> 2:13:40.320 anyone else, but this is like what I like and great. 2:13:40.360 --> 2:13:42.440 I don't even post. I don't post anything five times 2:13:42.480 --> 2:13:44.440 a day, so it's like, you know for me, like 2:13:44.480 --> 2:13:45.480 it couldn't be my kids. 2:13:45.680 --> 2:13:47.880 Because then someone sent me a screenshot of someone that 2:13:48.000 --> 2:13:50.560 was really mad talking shit about me, which also, don't 2:13:50.600 --> 2:13:53.160 send people. You never have to tell me if someone 2:13:53.200 --> 2:13:56.000 said something mean about me, I do not need to know, don't. 2:13:56.040 --> 2:13:59.280 I don't get that, like you know he said this, Okay, 2:13:59.360 --> 2:14:01.160 well thanks for ruining my day. 2:14:01.560 --> 2:14:03.400 When you sent me the screenshots, I go, who is 2:14:03.440 --> 2:14:06.760 this conversation with? They sent you the screenshots? Like what 2:14:06.920 --> 2:14:08.040 is going on? 2:14:08.960 --> 2:14:11.280 It's like people just want to see Lisa get riled 2:14:11.360 --> 2:14:14.120 up because sometimes it's fun, like, but come on. 2:14:14.720 --> 2:14:16.360 No, I was There was no way I was gonna 2:14:16.360 --> 2:14:18.240 get into an argument with this person because it's like, 2:14:18.280 --> 2:14:21.320 it's not about you. I'm also not saying anything towards you. 2:14:21.400 --> 2:14:24.880 But I did mute his wife because she was so annoying. Yeah, 2:14:24.920 --> 2:14:27.720 well she Yeah, she posted so much that I had 2:14:27.760 --> 2:14:28.320 to mute her. 2:14:28.400 --> 2:14:31.760 So it's like so stupid. Twitter's dumb. 2:14:32.280 --> 2:14:34.400 But yeah, I just was curious and I love the 2:14:34.440 --> 2:14:36.000 moms that are just like, yeah, I never thought I 2:14:36.000 --> 2:14:36.840 would do this, but I. 2:14:36.920 --> 2:14:39.400 Just I can't stop. 2:14:39.720 --> 2:14:41.960 Yeah, you know that's that is actually what I was 2:14:42.000 --> 2:14:44.320 looking for. And it gives you, I give it gave 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:46.160 me clarity that I didn't see before. 2:14:46.480 --> 2:14:47.240 Yeah. 2:14:47.440 --> 2:14:49.240 No, and I do want to pat my own self 2:14:49.280 --> 2:14:52.040 on the back. I saw texts talking shit about me. 2:14:52.680 --> 2:14:56.400 I have said nothing to this man. I don't give 2:14:56.400 --> 2:14:58.120 a shit cause I taught you. 2:14:58.200 --> 2:14:59.520 I thought you told me that you got on with 2:14:59.600 --> 2:15:03.720 him and were No, oh I misunderstood something you wrote me. 2:15:03.760 --> 2:15:05.800 Sorry, No, truly don't care. 2:15:06.640 --> 2:15:08.960 He's also someone Last time I saw him in New York, 2:15:09.080 --> 2:15:11.440 I ran into him and he said like, oh I 2:15:11.520 --> 2:15:14.640 heard you know, I heard this person say this and this, 2:15:14.880 --> 2:15:16.800 and I went and you should believe every word of it. 2:15:18.520 --> 2:15:20.960 I said, I have nothing to say to you. I 2:15:20.960 --> 2:15:24.640 don't know. Yes, yeah, this is like an enemy's crossover. 2:15:25.320 --> 2:15:28.280 Well no, it's more of a therapy thing, Like you know, 2:15:28.320 --> 2:15:31.400 you sit in therapy year after year thinking nothing is happening, 2:15:31.440 --> 2:15:35.880 and then one day you're like, whoa, Okay, yeah, I 2:15:35.920 --> 2:15:38.160 guess I'm not responding, but I'm talking about it to 2:15:38.200 --> 2:15:43.920 thousands of people on this podcast. Oh they're actually growth 2:15:44.000 --> 2:15:45.880 or no, this is all so boy, you can cut 2:15:45.920 --> 2:15:47.400 all of this. I'm a nightmare today. 2:15:47.480 --> 2:15:50.000 I feel crazy. I'm like, am I allowed to start? 2:15:50.040 --> 2:15:50.160 What? 2:15:50.160 --> 2:15:50.600 What's sister? 2:15:51.520 --> 2:15:53.560 Yeah? Can you so I can go grab that Gatorade 2:15:53.640 --> 2:15:54.800 zero I've been looking at. 2:15:54.760 --> 2:15:56.560 Yes, yes, okay. 2:15:56.560 --> 2:15:59.720 I think this is a great transition from the lack 2:15:59.720 --> 2:16:02.240 of myntal health on Twitter to today's what would Sister 2:16:02.280 --> 2:16:02.640 peg do? 2:16:04.160 --> 2:16:06.080 Our weekly segment where we. 2:16:06.360 --> 2:16:09.840 Talk about an organization, we give you guys a link, 2:16:09.880 --> 2:16:12.160 a book, something that can sort of flesh out what 2:16:12.200 --> 2:16:15.960 we talked about, and this week we highlighted a crime 2:16:16.120 --> 2:16:20.760 where the perpetrator was a person suffering with schizophrenia. So 2:16:20.840 --> 2:16:22.960 we thought we would direct you this week to the 2:16:23.040 --> 2:16:28.040 National Institute of Mental Health NIMH, but specifically their schizophrenia 2:16:28.080 --> 2:16:33.199 research project, which is called Raise RAI se Recovery after 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:36.800 an initials schizophrenia episode. Their website offers a lot of 2:16:36.840 --> 2:16:40.920 tools to help you understand schizophrenia, outlines treatment options strategies 2:16:40.959 --> 2:16:43.160 for those living with psychosis, and it focuses on a 2:16:43.160 --> 2:16:45.200 lot of young people experiencing this for the first time, 2:16:45.240 --> 2:16:48.520 which is as we mentioned, a lot of times when it. 2:16:48.120 --> 2:16:49.480 Surfaces is in young people. 2:16:49.600 --> 2:16:53.280 So they have everything from behavioral health treatment services locator 2:16:53.360 --> 2:16:55.840 to videos about early detection and how it can save lives. 2:16:55.879 --> 2:17:02.119 So go to www dot NIMH do nih dot gov, 2:17:02.320 --> 2:17:04.280 or we have a longer link in our show notes 2:17:04.320 --> 2:17:07.040 that will take you right there, or as always in 2:17:07.120 --> 2:17:08.800 our what would Sister peg do? 2:17:09.160 --> 2:17:12.600 Highlight on our Instagram stories. 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