1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Surveillance Podcast. Catch us live weekdays at seven am Eastern 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: on Apple CarPlay or Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts, or watch 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: us live on YouTube. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: He is wonderful, venerable, extinguished up in Portland, Maine. Gerard 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 2: Cassidy joins US head of US Bank Strategy for all 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: of OURBC Capital Americans, Gerrod, I got to start with 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: Portland first. You had some very difficult fires there in 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, didn't you. How's Portland doing 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: after I think some difficult fires on the docks. 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: I'm looking at him from my window, and you're right. 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: We lost sey four businesses, but fortunately nobody was hurt. 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: But they're going to rebuild and which would be great. 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 4: But it was a tough time in between Christmas and 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 4: New Year's, no doubt about it. 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 5: Tell me that you didn't lose that lobster sheck you 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 5: sent me to on a Summer's day years ago. 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: I mean, no, no, that is still there, Tom and okay, 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 4: waiting for your return. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 5: We'll do that. 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: I can see a remote I think, Lisa, it's as 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: made for us, Joy Cassidy. You and I have been 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: doing this back to Tucker Anthony in RL day. How 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: are the big banks different from where they were forty 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: years ago? They just seemed so dominant with almost monopsisistic power. 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 4: You summed it up well, because back then we had 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: eighteen thousand banks and thrifts when you and I were 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: young men, and today were down to about forty three hundred. 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 4: So the consolidation that was brought on by national interstate 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: banking under the Clinton administration when they signed that law 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: has really led to the consolidation. As a result, what 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 4: has happened is that the banks have become more efficient, 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: which has led to much better profitability, while at the 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: same time their capital levels are meaningfully higher than they 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: were twenty thirty years ago, and of course since the 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: financial crisis. So the industry today second third quarter profits, 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 4: I mean, the FDIC hasn't come out yet obviously with 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: fourth quarter numbers, but the industry is a record profitability 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 4: in the third quarter on an annualized basis, it's. 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: Doing very well. 42 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 6: Will you talk about we were talking about loan growth 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 6: earlier this morning with the big three banks out today 44 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 6: on top of JP Morgan yesterday, and loan growth seems 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 6: to be driving the business. There's competition heating up for deposits. 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 6: What does that mean? I'm curious for the bank consumer 47 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 6: because we're all bank consumers, right, what does that mean 48 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 6: for us as consumers? 49 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 5: Sure? 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: From the loan growth perspective, ye're right. When we look 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 4: at the Friday data. Every Friday afternoon in the Federal Reserve, 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: Leach releases the H eight data, which is about loan 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: growth for the industry coming into twenty twenty five. That 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: was showing you over year loan growth of about zero 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 4: to one percent last Friday, then number is five to 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: six percent, So coming into twenty six, loan growth is 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: expected to be much better than last year. On the 58 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: deposit side, because rates have come down, consumers are. 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: Receiving lower rates on their savings. 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: Deposits, money market mutual fund deposits, and certificates of deposit. 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: But that being said, the system is still very flushed 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: with deposits, so banks are not really chasing deposits. But 63 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: if this loan growth comes through by this time next year, 64 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,559 Speaker 4: you will see probably better competition on deposits. 65 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 6: City CFO out this morning after earnings, and on the 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 6: earnings call, Surprise Surprise said they would not support a 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 6: credit card rate CAAP. We know that cident Trump. Affordability 68 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 6: is top of mind now with the midterm elections ahead 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 6: of us, and he wants to cap these rates at 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 6: ten percent for a year. Talk to me about why that. 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 6: Why isn't that a good idea If it's just for 72 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 6: a year. Okay, so there's an end point here. He's 73 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 6: not saying forevermore. Couldn't the banks do that without really, 74 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 6: you know, hurting profits? 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: Profitability would be impact as significantly if race came down 76 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: for ten percent for a year, especially for the credit 77 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: card lenders, because when you think about it, let's assume 78 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: the cost of funding is three to four percent. Credit 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: losses for the higher risk credit customers, those are the 80 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 4: lower FICO score they run anywhere from five to seven percent, 81 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 4: so you're losing money without even. 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: Talking about operating expenses. 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: So what would happen is that originations for the customers 84 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: that need the money the most, so the credit the 85 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 4: most lower FICO score customers. With Jesus, you'll have to 86 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: go to alternatives where the rates are much higher than 87 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: the banks are charging, so I think it's the second 88 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: and third derivative that really would impact not just banks, 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: but consumer spending in the economy. 90 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I asked Rod Cassidy about the third derivative 91 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: of the Boston Red Sox, but you'd hang up on us. 92 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: Right now, Gerard, I wanted to do a victory lab 93 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: for Jane Fraser. 94 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 5: You've been way out front of this story. 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to shout out to Mike Mayo as well, 96 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: your partner in crime, Gerard Cassidy. She came in in 97 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: the heart of COVID lots of skepticism. 98 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 5: Nobody will let me interviewer. 99 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: Because I'll ask tough questions In all that, Gerard Cassidy, 100 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: she's borderline executive. 101 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: Of the year. What does she need to do to continue? 102 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 5: The City Group Assent. 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: Tom has a very good opening comment on her, and 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: I agree with you. It's going to be an interesting 105 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: transition for City in twenty twenty six. The turnaround story 106 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 4: that she has orchestrated has gone very well and she 107 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: should be congratulated for it, and the stock has reacted accordingly. 108 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 4: Now they're going to be finished once Mexico's consumer banking 109 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: business is spun off. In an IPO sometime early this year. 110 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: They're going to go from a turnaround story to her 111 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 4: growth story, Toms. And this is going to be the 112 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: interesting part because their global corporate banking, payments, investment banking top. 113 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: Of class, very good. Where they under. 114 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 4: Punch Contrary to what you and I remember when we 115 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 4: were much younger US consumer, they don't have a play here. 116 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: They are so far behind Bank America and JP Morgan. 117 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 4: Their global wealth management business is also undersized. So those 118 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 4: two areas will have to be addressed and grown. So 119 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: I think the heavy lifting starts in a different direction 120 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 4: for her, which is they have to grow the bank 121 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: in these areas. 122 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: And that will be challenging. 123 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: You know, let's take it back decades here, back when 124 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: Bucky F. Dent was coaching up in your main at 125 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: Gerard Cassidy. You know, I look at this and I go, 126 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: I gotta ask Gerard, what's a small bank stock? 127 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 5: Right now? Are you doing that anymore? Is that beneath you? 128 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 5: Do you have a small bank you can tell us about. 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: It's never beneath me, Tom. 130 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: But what's happened is the small banks have gotten so 131 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: much larger. 132 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: And the one that I think is really interesting and 133 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: I know it's. 134 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: Not five billion in assets, but Popular of Puerto Rico, Tom, 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: that is what's going on down there with the on 136 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: sharing of America, and they still are receiving the you know, 137 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: the benefits from the tragedies of hurricanes and earthquakes. That 138 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: economy is very healthy and you're looking at the best 139 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 4: position bank here in Puerto Rican Popular. 140 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: Joy Cosy, thank you so much, really really appreciate it. 141 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: This morning he's with the RBC Capital Mark. It's the 142 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: dean of all banking coverage in America. Can't say enough 143 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: about the value of his research over the decades and 144 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: not only making money, but avoiding losing money as well. 145 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 5: Stay with us. 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: More from Bloomberg Surveillance coming up after this. 147 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast. Catch us Live 148 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: weekday afternoons from seven to ten am Eastern Listen on 149 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: Apple Karplay and Android Otto with the Bloomberg Business app, 150 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: or watch us live on YouTube. 151 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 5: This is an important interview, folks. 152 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: We want to inform you of some of the mysteries 153 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: that are out there and one of the great mysteries 154 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: of Europe through the American prism. It is challenging to 155 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: say the least, It just sometimes doesn't make sense. 156 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: She is truly expert at this. 157 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,479 Speaker 2: Natalie Touching is Professor of Practice at John Hopkins. 158 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 5: Her shingle is out in Bologna, Italy and Rome, Italy. 159 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 5: Life is tough. 160 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: She is absolutely definitive on this. Professor Toucy, thank you 161 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: so much for joining us today. Here's the American zeitgeist. 162 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Out of your foreign affairs article. Europe has reflexively and 163 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: consistently adopted a posture of submission. 164 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 5: That nails it. 165 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: What is mccran to start there, What is mccrw getting wrong? 166 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 7: Well, so let me put it in these terms. It's 167 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 7: very clear and I think really rather consistent, the way 168 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 7: in which the Trump administration has basically been pursuing what 169 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 7: I would define as an imperial vision. Right, So this 170 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 7: is about Western Hemisphere. This is about you know, countering 171 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 7: civilizational Erasia. This is about the kind of unbrindled exercise 172 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 7: of kind of raw powered and very clearly Europe is 173 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 7: on that colonial menu. Now if Europeans react essentially vindicating 174 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 7: that vision, because they react not simply by flattering Donald Trump, 175 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 7: but by self humiliating themselves, then especially they are acting 176 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 7: as colonies, right and so, And this is what I 177 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 7: mean by saying that they are vindicating precisely the vision 178 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 7: that presumably they are trying to counter. 179 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: Okay, you read when you were at Oxford, you read 180 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Kissinger cover to cover, nine hundred and twelve plages diplomacy. 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: I read it cover to cover. Diplomacy is like the 182 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: normal world? Can we get back to the normal world? Or, 183 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: as President Trump shattered our foreign affairs. 184 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 7: Well, I think that if by normal we mean the 185 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 7: old world, the sooner we smell the coffee, the better 186 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 7: it is. 187 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 8: The old world has gone. 188 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 7: The question is whether the new world has to necessarily 189 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 7: be one in which it is only the survival of 190 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 7: the fittest, only the law of the jungle, or whether 191 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 7: perhaps indeed the more inevitably and always has been and 192 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 7: always will be an exercise of power, but that exercise 193 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 7: of power can somehow be constrained by laws and rules 194 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 7: and institutions. Now, I think if we want to move 195 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 7: closer to that second vision, we need to understand that 196 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 7: the way in which laws and norms of institutions worked 197 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 7: in the past that is no longer available. So it's 198 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 7: a kind of moment of reinvention. But you know, the 199 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 7: as I said, sooner we understand that we cannot save 200 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 7: the dead corpse, that earlier and the better we're going 201 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 7: to be at essentially redefining a new which is not 202 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 7: simply a law of the jungle. 203 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 6: I want to talk Greenland, Natalie, because today is a 204 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 6: big day. We've got crunch talks going on between JD. 205 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 6: Van Smarco Rubio and I guess the Folk and Greenland 206 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 6: and Denmark. Trump is saying anything less than US control 207 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 6: of Greenland is quote unacceptable. How do you see this 208 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 6: playing out? 209 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 7: Well, this is a really odd kind of you know, 210 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 7: situation here because Europeans, starting with the Danes themselves, and 211 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 7: the Greenlanders are more than happy to talk substance. So 212 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 7: does the United States want a greater security presence in Greenland? 213 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 8: No problem? 214 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 7: Does the United States want greater access to Greenland's natural resources? 215 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 8: No problem. 216 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 7: But if it is not substance, if it is simply 217 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 7: a question of territorial expansion, then that's kind. 218 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 8: Of a conversation killer, right. 219 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 7: So I'm not trying to argue here that those you know, 220 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 7: that dialogue is irrelevant, because I think it's relevant to 221 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 7: exposing the imperial nature of this quest. But then the 222 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 7: question becomes, how do Europeans. 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 8: React to this? 224 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 7: And you know, there are different kind of options on 225 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 7: many right in terms of you know, how do. 226 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 8: You keep your back straight? 227 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 7: You can basically, you know, Denmark could invite NATO troops 228 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 7: of course, including the US, but not only the US, 229 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 7: from increasing their military presence in Greenland. Europeans could basically say, 230 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 7: if the US were to make an aggressive move on Greenland, 231 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 7: well they would be actually welcome to leave other NATO 232 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 7: countries two things, very much. 233 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 8: There could be contracts being counseled. 234 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 5: The heart of the matter is where's the backbone? 235 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 8: Professor? 236 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 5: Where is the backbone? 237 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: I mean, stumps up in Finland has got a border 238 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 2: with Russia. He doesn't need any backbone, he's living it 239 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: in real time. Where is the backbone? To tell a 240 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: unique American foreign policy? Hold on a minute, let's discuss this. 241 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't see it well. 242 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 8: I think you're absolutely right. 243 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 7: And the question, though, is where's the backbone? I mean, 244 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 7: I think it's connected to the do we actually acknowledge 245 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 7: that the old world has gone? Because if what we're 246 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 7: simply doing is buying time hoping to save the old, 247 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 7: we're not going to develop that backbone if you actually 248 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 7: look at Europe's material conditions right in many respects. Actually, 249 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 7: you know, we are thirty of the richest countries in 250 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 7: the world. We are of course dependent on the United States, 251 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 7: but are Latin American countries in many respects even more 252 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 7: dependent on the United States. And yet they are demonstrated 253 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 7: starting with Clydia Schaumbaum's Mexico's president, far greater backbone than Europeans. 254 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 7: So I think there's this kind of mental switch that 255 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 7: Europeans need to make even before we get to the 256 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 7: kind of enabling material conditions to actually act. 257 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: I think the greatest thing we've got to go here, professor. 258 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: But I think the solution here is to increase the 259 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: VET tax lines that hethrow in CDG, Like if you 260 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: buy stuff over there, if you extend the VET to line, 261 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: so they're like not four blocks long, but. 262 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 5: Eight blocks long. Yeah, that's how you get back though. 263 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 6: I thank you you're something. 264 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 5: That's how you do it. 265 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: Natalie. 266 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to get your Foreign Affairs magazine out on 267 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: LinkedIn and Twitter. Just a joy to have you line 268 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: with the stipiest stranger Natalie Tacci there with the Johns 269 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: Hopkins University, among others. 270 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 5: Stay with us. 271 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: More from Bloomberg Surveillance coming up after this. 272 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast. Catch us live 273 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: weekday afternoons from seven to ten am Eastern. Listen on 274 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: Applecarplay and Android Otto with the Bloomberg Business app, or 275 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: watch us live on YouTube. 276 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: David Cy for this right now with the Burrow. Thrilled 277 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: that he could be with us this morning. You know 278 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: he was undergraduate Mit. He went far west after Mit, 279 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: down the river to Charles. You say, good morning, Boston 280 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: ninety nine f M as well. Did you ever attend 281 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: to Sure? I've interviewed him twice, maybe three times, Robert Solo? 282 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: Was he ever? Were you ever in class with Solo? 283 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 5: Good morning? He says? 284 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 9: Solo was emeritus, but when I was an undergrad. But 285 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 9: he still did a bunch of undergraduate seminars, just sort 286 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 9: of ad hoc things, and he was the nicest guy. 287 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 5: Always interest total class. 288 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 9: Act, went around the room, got everybody's name, asked what 289 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 9: they wanted to talk about, always always focused on undergraduate education. 290 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: Tell Total Factor Productivity nineteen fifty six fifty seven, Where 291 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: in God's name is it now. 292 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 5: Professor c. Well. 293 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 9: I mean, it seems as though it is rising, according 294 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 9: to at least some of the data out there where 295 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 9: we're seeing we're seeing GDP up despite the fact that 296 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 9: it's really not coming from increased employment. We're not seeing 297 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 9: a lot of people losing their jobs, but certainly the 298 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 9: labor market has lost momentum, and despite that, we're seeing GDP. 299 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 9: Every print that we get is a surprise of the up. 300 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: Look at labor share. I mean, you got labor share cratering. 301 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 2: It's a literally convex and getting worse. You got you know, 302 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: the fancy boys and AI and all that. It's almost 303 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: a nineteenth century America to me. 304 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 5: It certainly looks like that right now. 305 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 7: Now. 306 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 9: We certainly don't think that this is going to continue 307 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 9: like this for the next quarter or half century as 308 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 9: it did back then. 309 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 5: So we're we're not poised for another. 310 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 9: Period of absolutely exceptional growth like we had a century 311 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 9: and a half ago, but certainly right now, I mean, 312 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 9: you know, looking back at the past nine months or so, 313 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 9: it has been upside surprise after upside surprise. It's not 314 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 9: coming from increased employment, and so a lot of it 315 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 9: is coming from increased investment and total factor product. 316 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: Well, les this retail sales in three minutes. Why don't 317 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: you continue with David s soon? 318 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 8: Yeah? 319 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 6: I want I want to know how the consumer's holding up, 320 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 6: because that's a big part of GDP, right. I mean, 321 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 6: we've got the president now saying, oh, we're going to 322 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 6: get five percent GDP, but that might be a little optimistic. 323 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 6: But where are you on the consumer continuing to be 324 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 6: the pillar of the economy because they were and very 325 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 6: resilient have been through COVID, through higher interest rates, through everything. 326 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 9: Consumer was remarkably resilient during COVID, especially or largely because of. 327 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 5: The amount of stimulus that's there. 328 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 9: Right now, we look at the economy, consumers going to 329 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 9: remain sixty five to seventy five. It's a seventy percent 330 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 9: of it, and that does not seem like it's something 331 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 9: that's going to change. However, when we look at where 332 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 9: the marginal growth is coming from, it's probably not going 333 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 9: to be disproportionately from the consumer. We don't see the 334 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 9: consumer suffering, at least in the big picture kind of way. 335 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 9: You can look at individual groups, but we don't see 336 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 9: that increased consumption is going to be responsible for what 337 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 9: looks to be a pretty strong year of economic growth. 338 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 5: Throwly over it, JP Morgan. He goes to no rate 339 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 5: cuts twenty six. Where are you at, Nomura? 340 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 9: We're at two rate cuts this year, both post Powells. 341 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 8: Uh. 342 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 9: We realized we were probably more hawkish than the street 343 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 9: for a while. Some people have leapfrogged set, but we 344 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 9: have not changed our view. 345 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: Can you make some bikey I got, I got twelve seconds. 346 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 2: Can you make some news here this morning and give 347 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: us something. 348 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 9: Amer Shift afraid not, but you know it is all 349 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 9: about politics at this point. It's not based on off 350 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 9: homonomict fundamentals. It's new FED chair comes in more dubbish 351 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 9: fed chair. Two more cuts coming, So that's. 352 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: Far too common sense. 353 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: David Sea, for the love having in your chief economists 354 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: Development Markets an stay with us. More from Bloomberg Surveillance 355 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: coming up after this. 356 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast. Catch us live 357 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: weekday afternoons from seven to ten am Eastern Listen on Apple, 358 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: Karplay and Android Otto with the Bloomberg Business app, or 359 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: watch us live on YouTube. 360 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: Running to somebody in the street, they said, you know 361 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: we only listen for the newspapers shining as Now, Lisa, 362 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 2: how are the Oreos from Cosco I exercize? 363 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 5: Did they come in? 364 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 10: Just to be clear, I posted a picture on Twitter 365 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 10: about my Costco cart and in the background on the 366 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 10: show for Oreo cookies, Tom thought they were in my car. 367 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 5: Now we know you are not in your car. Gotta 368 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: love it, Gotta love that. 369 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 10: All right, here we go, Here we go. Here's a 370 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 10: question for you. What do you wear when you go 371 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 10: on a flight? Do you go comfortable? 372 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 8: You go in the bow tie. 373 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 5: I go in the bow tie. Pounded into me my grandfather. 374 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 5: You dress up. They treat totally different. 375 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: I once got upgraded to first class on British airways 376 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: because I was wearing a stupid boat. 377 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 5: Really, they got a bunch of muckety bucks. 378 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: Thousand bucks. 379 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 10: Well, the problem is a lot of people don't think 380 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 10: the way that you do when you were raised. They 381 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 10: go in pajamas, okay, and snippers. The Wall Street Journal 382 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 10: actually says that the government things onboard behavior will improve 383 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 10: if people dress more appropriately. 384 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 5: I think there's something to that. Cattle Seriously, Yeah, why 385 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 5: didn't even sit in the chair like. 386 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 10: You have to be comfortable? And especially if your overnight 387 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 10: the overnight flight, I mean, especially with kids. 388 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 6: Oh goodness, I'll never forget my first international flight years ago. 389 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 6: I got all dressed up to go to Greece, and 390 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 6: I wore a linen pants and a big, wide rimmed hat. 391 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 6: I don't know what where I was watching from what 392 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 6: decade I thought I was living in. But I look 393 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 6: like a hot mess when I got off the plane 394 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 6: ten hours later. 395 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 10: Yeah, you were a wrinkled mess. 396 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 8: I know. But it's interesting. 397 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 10: The article goes into what Tom was talking about is 398 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 10: kind of the history behind it, like how people dressed 399 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 10: in the fifties and sixties and how it kind of 400 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 10: changed in the seventies, you know, when kind of things 401 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 10: were deregulated on airlines. 402 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 5: So it's a good history fastioned whether it's later adulta. 403 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 2: I believe with Jonathan Fare, we got to move on 404 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: as simple as I can. 405 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 5: The airlines you have known to blame but themselves. Oh 406 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 5: there you go. 407 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 8: Okay, this one. 408 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 10: We've been talking about stories about America facing a short 409 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 10: of skilled trades people. We've been hearing a lot of 410 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 10: stories about this. So Business Insider says Ford, they're so 411 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 10: desperate for mechanics that they're giving some of them free 412 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 10: tools and merch it's a partnership with Carhart, so they're 413 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 10: going to give them free tools, and which is big 414 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 10: because mechanics have to buy them and they cost thousands 415 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 10: of dollars these toolkits, So this is a huge part. 416 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 10: It's a partnership program that they're talking about. And those 417 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 10: are some of the things that they're there given sentence 418 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 10: to get these people to take the job. 419 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 5: Give me World Cup tickets. So twenty thousand bucks, two 420 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 5: seats next. 421 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 10: Okay, So yesterday, ven your j Powell. He delivered right 422 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 10: that two minute recorded message response to the dog at 423 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 10: issuing those subpoenas well. The video made its way to 424 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 10: the Daily Show with John Stewart and he focused on 425 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 10: how Powell kept licking his lips right, so he said, 426 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 10: somebody get this guy a glass of water. And then 427 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 10: he geared up for this joke that he was talking 428 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 10: about it. He was like, all right, I got this joke. 429 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 10: Are you guys gonna be with me? Hang with me, 430 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 10: Hang with me, And he was shouting out a certain 431 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 10: morning radio business pro Graham, take a listen. 432 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 11: So anyone who doesn't listen to Boomberg surveillance in the morning, 433 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 11: you can just leave the room. 434 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 5: I'll wait. 435 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 11: Okay, Wow, that dude, he's struggling. It appears the chairman 436 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 11: of the Federal Reserve is having a liquidity crisis. 437 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 5: John start. 438 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: I look at to see thanks to mister Stewart for 439 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: his attention to the program. She realizes this guy he 440 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: loves to play dumb ready chemistry William and Mary. 441 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 5: Wow, I mean this guy did not most comedians like. 442 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: The sort of Wallster school or you know, you know 443 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: they got a trust funder whatever. This is not John 444 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: Stewart Now chemistry William and Mary. 445 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: That's crazy. 446 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 10: I mean, Paul Sweeney has some connection to him somehow. 447 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 10: I feel like he does. 448 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: You know, he's talking there about it in the Liquidity 449 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: to make you know, to bring it back to actually, 450 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: which is a very important point, is Japan the liquidity 451 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: event right now? Because Ira Jersey says, mister Stewart's wrong. Here, 452 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: isn't a liquidity event with Jerome Powell. He probably needs 453 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: some Tito's intang But the answer, Lisa is I'm watching Japan. 454 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm wondering if you know, seriously, that's 455 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 5: going to be Jerome Pole's liquidity event. 456 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 6: SAP selections are common. 457 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 8: You know it. 458 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 6: She's gonna get her, She's gonna go to the polls. 459 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 5: Okay. 460 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast, available on Apple, Spotify, 461 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 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