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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to what we'll call a special episode

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Speaker 1: of The Hunting Collective. I'm Ben O'Brien and today we

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Speaker 1: are sitting in the Meat Eater offices in Bozeman, Montana,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by Sam Longren and our director of

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Speaker 1: fishing here at Meat Eater, Miles and Notte first appearance

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. And the reason we wanted to get

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Speaker 1: this one out to you guys is because something pretty

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Speaker 1: substantial is happening in our world, and that is the

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Speaker 1: passage of Bill sum in the House Representatives. It's called

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Speaker 1: the Natural Resource Management Act. This bill passed by a

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Speaker 1: marginal three to sixty two. Uh what will be on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon, February and we wanted to turn on c

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Speaker 1: SPAN and try to be entertained, which we know would

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Speaker 1: be tough UM and and talk about this bill as

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Speaker 1: it was discussed on the floor of the House and

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Speaker 1: then voted on um which turned out to be a

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Speaker 1: great result. So we had a few guests, Steve Klein

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Speaker 1: of TRCP and Land Tawny back hunt hunters and anglers

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Speaker 1: who have worked both worked and champions worked on and

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Speaker 1: champion this bill UM to talk about what's good what's bad,

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Speaker 1: what needs approved? What is uh there to celebrate? What?

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Speaker 1: Suffice to say, a lot of people that care about conservation,

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Speaker 1: who worked hard on this piece of legislation, and we

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Speaker 1: believe overall it's a good thing, although we will go

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Speaker 1: over some of the more negative aspects of the bill

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Speaker 1: and the way our politics working. So hopefully you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this special episode of The Hunting Collective straight from bose Mo, Montana. Hey, boys,

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Speaker 1: how's it going? Miles fantastic? Ben? How are you? I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm swimming? Uh you Sam Longern because also here howdy,

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Speaker 1: and we are watching currently. This is part of our

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Speaker 1: make c Span grade again, uh segment of the podcast

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Speaker 1: where we try to make cease ceasepan exciting again. Um.

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Speaker 1: But they're not making it easier. They're not making it easy,

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Speaker 1: like the brown leather and just the boring suits. Um.

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Speaker 1: Just well, I think one guy is sleeping. Is that

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Speaker 1: guy sleeping? He woke up? He's up. He's up because

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Speaker 1: he's got a body slam to do. He's up, he's up.

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Speaker 1: We're watching the members, some of the selected members of

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Speaker 1: the U. S. House of Representatives. Uh. They are speaking

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Speaker 1: on um, a pretty important package of legislation that affects

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Speaker 1: us all. It's uh the National Resources Management Act that

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Speaker 1: are known as S forty seven in our parlance. And

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Speaker 1: they are right now, UM talking through the benefits of

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Speaker 1: of the bill and are about to SAM vote on it.

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Speaker 1: Correct I believe so. UM. Tell you, like you've covered

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Speaker 1: this for the mediator dot com. You've you came to

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Speaker 1: us from b h A, you spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time in the conservation world. Kind of give us a

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Speaker 1: rundown of, um, what this bill is and kind of

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Speaker 1: what it means as you know it, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and as I as I followed this, I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's become harder and harder to parts exactly what it means.

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Speaker 1: There's a hundred and ten pieces of legislation in here,

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Speaker 1: seven hundred pages of texts. I mean, the big headline

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Speaker 1: that everyone's focused on is the real the reauthorization of

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Speaker 1: the Land and Water Conservation Funds. That's that's the big

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Speaker 1: ticket item. That's the you know, the popular program that's

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Speaker 1: been around for fifty three years that takes royalties from

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Speaker 1: reinvests that that money into public access. Everything from playgrounds

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Speaker 1: and inner cities to wilderness trailheads. There's yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: playground here in town that my son has played at

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Speaker 1: before that there's a little sign that says this was

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Speaker 1: brought to you by the Land of Water Conservation Fund.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's cool. You see those little placards in

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Speaker 1: popular program. It's been used in nearly every county within

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Speaker 1: the United States, so everybody gets a little piece of it.

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Speaker 1: So that's great to see. It was it lapsed in

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Speaker 1: its authorization since September UM, so there's there's been multiple

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars that have not that we're earmarked for

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Speaker 1: conservation that were instead diverted to the general fund. So

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Speaker 1: great to see LWCF re author permanently reauthorized. Although this

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Speaker 1: bill does not um include automatic annual appropriation for LWCF,

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Speaker 1: the original text of the bill included uh nine million

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Speaker 1: and full in perpetuity. Like that's what we're really swinging

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Speaker 1: and not fully funded forever. Yes, but you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of the supporters of LWCF are in the Senate especially,

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Speaker 1: are already talking about permanent funding. So further legislation will

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Speaker 1: likely follow this yea, and the grand scheme of things,

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Speaker 1: it's a very popular Yah. What is now? I gotta

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Speaker 1: say one of the big wins that we've had. And

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Speaker 1: I think BHJ can can take some credit for this,

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Speaker 1: among among other groups. I don't mean to single them

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Speaker 1: out just because Sam's in the room here and I

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Speaker 1: know he worked on a lot. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: remember five years ago sitting around talking about how do

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Speaker 1: we make the LWCF sound cool, you know, working with

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Speaker 1: and and really trying to come up with these very

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Speaker 1: creative ways to to let people know about it. I

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Speaker 1: feel like now anybody who's engaged in outdoor pursuits is

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Speaker 1: aware of the LWC, if at least on a basic level,

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Speaker 1: and is having these conversations, which is why we're seeing

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Speaker 1: folks like us putting pressure on our representatives and being educated. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean it speaks to the power of what

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Speaker 1: is if you would call us a constituency, like a

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Speaker 1: collective hunting and fishing constituency, like you know, as we saw,

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Speaker 1: we had representative from um Colorado just stand up and

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Speaker 1: for his state. You know, we you know, we do

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Speaker 1: And it's it is it is a great Um. You

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Speaker 1: know I was worrisome is sometimes trends can be in

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Speaker 1: our space. It's great to know that that the LWCF

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Speaker 1: bit like if he had a mustache. Maybe, Colonel Sanders,

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Speaker 1: that's one hell of a plaid suit. I gotta say.

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Speaker 1: He just looks like, Yeah, if you were to pick

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Speaker 1: be it. Yeah. And he's talking about a pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: element of this public Land's package. Some of the national

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Speaker 1: this legislation, which Miles and I were just commenting before,

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Speaker 1: truly have nothing to do with hunting or fishing or

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Speaker 1: public lands. Really. I mean, he's talking about preserving a

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Speaker 1: a little tangentle to Natural Resources Management Act. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: mean there is this is a varied piece of legislation.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'll get to come up here, I'll read

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Speaker 1: my breath and pass out, somebody pick it up. Uh. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: this bill addresses, among other matters, land conveyances, exchanges, acquisitions,

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Speaker 1: the bill reauthorizes the Historically Black Colleges and Universities Historic

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Speaker 1: Preservation Program and the National Cooperative Geologic Mapping Program. The

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Speaker 1: fucking end. No, No, you cheated. I heard you breathe

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Speaker 1: you did? All right? All right, we did get a

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Speaker 1: say look what I got you. Yeah. Absolutely, And I

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's great, Like every piece of

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Speaker 1: the rose color colored glasses to say, hey, hold on,

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Speaker 1: like you know, this Alaska thing kind of sucks and

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Speaker 1: and and you know it's like, oh great, all this

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Speaker 1: pork barrel. Everybody gets something, but it really fails to

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Speaker 1: address some of the broader public land management issues that

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Speaker 1: we really need to fix. I mean, the system. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say broken, plenty of people do, but

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Speaker 1: I mean the system could could use some improvement. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: when we continuously fail to improve upon the management of

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Speaker 1: our federal public lands, it leaves us all open for

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Speaker 1: the criticism that the federal government from Washington, d c.

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Speaker 1: Is not able to properly manage the million, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: millions of acres that it possesses in the western United States,

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Speaker 1: which leads almost naturally to the argument we often try

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Speaker 1: to defeat, that we should transfer management of those federal

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Speaker 1: public lands to state management. So I think we need

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Speaker 1: to see some of these things fixed at some point,

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Speaker 1: or else we're just going to continue to to go

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Speaker 1: down this road further and further. I mean some of

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Speaker 1: those things are you know, wildfire funding, the forest Service

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Speaker 1: spends a ungodly proportion of their budget every year on

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Speaker 1: fighting fires and in and not. Yeah, I'm I'm watching.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't he hasn't. He hasn't punched anybody yet. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it'll get interesting here. But but but you know, there's

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Speaker 1: there's a variety of other things that you know, we

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Speaker 1: we could, we could wish and hope for. But I'd

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Speaker 1: like to encourage lawmakers to look at these big, you know,

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Speaker 1: systemic issues as well as the minutia. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: provide a little context on that point that you just made, Sam,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know that everybody who's out there listening

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Speaker 1: understands why I personally, and I think everybody in this

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Speaker 1: room feels so strongly about the fact that if we

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Speaker 1: transfer federal land to state control, it's gonna be problematic.

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Speaker 1: I've I've I've had this conversation with a lot of

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Speaker 1: smart people, and I just happen to have done a

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Speaker 1: great deal of research on it. Uh. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that that everybody is is aware of the difference

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Speaker 1: in state land management versus federal land management in terms

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Speaker 1: of our rights. Uh. And And the truth is, like

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Speaker 1: it or not, in many cases, state lands are not

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Speaker 1: public lands in the way that you think of them.

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Speaker 1: In fact, many states specifically explicitly say that state lands

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Speaker 1: are not public lands. New Mexico has it on the

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Speaker 1: front page of their website. So it's the that is

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Speaker 1: a really important distinction. I think sometimes gets lost in this.

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Speaker 1: There's an argument, well, they're still going to be public lands,

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Speaker 1: They're just going to be controlled by the people who

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Speaker 1: are more in closer proximity to what's going on and

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Speaker 1: therefore better informed on what's That's an important point, and

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Speaker 1: in general I agree with that. In general, time of

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Speaker 1: states rights kind of fella, and I agree with that principle.

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Speaker 1: But the difficulty here is to remove that general principle

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Speaker 1: from this instance, from from this very important um idea.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you have to remove yourself from like

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Speaker 1: I would blanketly say like I feel like the states

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Speaker 1: you know, are better in theory, better position to manage

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Speaker 1: this stuff, but in practice they are not. Would not

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Speaker 1: just in actors put in law, and that's where that's

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Speaker 1: where this gets to be. Maybe sometimes people get lost

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Speaker 1: in the weeds on this, but this is a really

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Speaker 1: important point. In many state constitutions, including the Constitution of

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Speaker 1: this state we happen to be in right now. It

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Speaker 1: is mandated in the constitution the state that state lands

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Speaker 1: have to be maximized for profit, whatever that happens to be,

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Speaker 1: whatever use that happens to be. And I can pretty

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Speaker 1: much guarantee you that that maximization is not you and

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Speaker 1: me and everybody else getting to go hunt and fish

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Speaker 1: and appreciate it. And it's in the job description of

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Speaker 1: the governor and in the state legislator to balance the

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Speaker 1: goddamn budget. That that's their job to balance the budget.

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Speaker 1: If they see the opportunity to do so with lands

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Speaker 1: that currently we enjoyed rectreator on that, then that's part

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Speaker 1: of their job to do that. They will liquid Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'll liquidate those lands quickly. And many states have shown

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Speaker 1: an outright willingness in very recent years of doing that.

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Speaker 1: And I think last year the state of Utah sold

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Speaker 1: some four thousand acres bishop on a straight trust land.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of which, but in the Wisconsin's recently

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Speaker 1: liquidated a lot of state trust lands. Oregon tried to

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Speaker 1: sell off ninety entire state forest recently. And each state

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Speaker 1: is in a different situation. I mean, the percentage of

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Speaker 1: of federally controlled public lands, federally managed public lands better

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Speaker 1: off uh in utahl is is exponentially higher than in

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Speaker 1: any eastern state, any state on the eastern Sea border,

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Speaker 1: any state in the South. So they do have that,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't change the facts. I mean, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: change how you know, exactly like you said, the laws

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Speaker 1: or the best way to manage that ground that they

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Speaker 1: have a bigger vested interest in in how this turns out,

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Speaker 1: whether it's transferred to the state or whether state in

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Speaker 1: federal control, because there's more land public lands currently, But

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Speaker 1: it doesn't change the facts. It doesn't. It doesn't change

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Speaker 1: the facts in terms of the history if you look

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Speaker 1: at what's happened each and all the Western states for

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Speaker 1: the most part, I'm simplifying, but just for the sake

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Speaker 1: of keeping everybody interested, Western states at the time stated

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Speaker 1: we're granted what are called state trust lands which have

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Speaker 1: been become state lands, and the per of those was

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Speaker 1: to fund the education of the children of the states,

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Speaker 1: which is great. I'm a huge proponent of education, particularly

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Speaker 1: public education, all for it. But what that means is

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Speaker 1: that those those lands need to be maximized to make

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Speaker 1: that happen, and if you look at the history, they

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Speaker 1: often get sold or they get developed. And if you

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Speaker 1: look at for example, let's just take one in this region, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: it is legal for someone to privately least state lands

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Speaker 1: as their own hunting and fishing camp. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 1: that's not something I think we we want to see

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Speaker 1: happen to the best public lands all over the place. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We we've spoken a lot about the impact of this

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Speaker 1: bill on public lands, which is super important to all

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Speaker 1: of us, and and we hope you followed us through

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Speaker 1: some of this context. I think another piece that's in

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Speaker 1: this bill that needs to be recognized since we're talking

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Speaker 1: about land conservation broadly, is the funding for partners for

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Speaker 1: Fishing Wildlife program through whereby you know, the federal government

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Speaker 1: partners with private landowners to improve habitat and and so

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Speaker 1: it's not I just I think sometimes we get hammered

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Speaker 1: for only talking about public lands, but there's a benefit

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Speaker 1: for private land. This is like Texas, it's a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge Pittman Robertson funds are going to Texas. Most most

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Speaker 1: go to that what you're talking about, after they get

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Speaker 1: distributed to I believe Texas gets the largest Pittman Robertson

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Speaker 1: does like sixteen million. I think that's a two ago. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, we're still watching CNN. We got yes, we're not.

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Speaker 1: I love CNN so much. Uh, and we're still watching

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Speaker 1: c SPAN, one of my favorite programs that we have

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Speaker 1: joining us right now. We have Steve Klein. He's the

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Speaker 1: director of government Relations. Steve, let me know if I

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Speaker 1: get any of this wrong for the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation

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Speaker 1: Partnership TRCP is better known. Um, he's joining us. Now,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, Steve? It's going pretty good. We'll see

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Speaker 1: in a few minutes if we get this bill across

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Speaker 1: the finish line of the House. Yeah, how how long

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Speaker 1: do you feel like we have and they start to

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Speaker 1: actually give us some real answers, I think within within

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Speaker 1: the hour here, six o'clock to my time. I think

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll see your vote here soon, and we'll take

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Speaker 1: a little while we have to wait for everybody to

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Speaker 1: come to the floor, but we're pretty confident we're trying

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Speaker 1: to get over this thing and really send a message

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Speaker 1: that these types of issues are profoundly bipartisans by camera,

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Speaker 1: and frankly Congress needs to do more of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what you know, as

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Speaker 1: we're we explained kind of what we're watching here. Um,

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about, you know, what today means,

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Speaker 1: what what's happening right now means, and kind of where

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Speaker 1: it would lead. Give us a quick rundown from your

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Speaker 1: your perspective of what this all is aiming towards. Sure, so,

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing the House here today is all the

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Speaker 1: under suspension of the rules. Not to get too technical,

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Speaker 1: but basically this is how the House deals with quote

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Speaker 1: sort of non controversial legislation. It's the way of the

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00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: House names post officers, things of that nature, things that

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Speaker 1: don't have to go through kind of the full amend

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Speaker 1: of process that have brought by partis in support. So

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Speaker 1: basically what happens is, after the Senate moved the bill,

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Speaker 1: which was a product of the negotiations falling apart for

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Speaker 1: lack of the vehicle, and at the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: the House needed to act in a way that didn't

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Speaker 1: change really in any way what the Senate had passed,

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Speaker 1: because if that happened, then it would happen the back

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Speaker 1: to the center of the process would have bogged down

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Speaker 1: and probably we wouldn't have gotten it done. But the

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Speaker 1: fact of how taking this up varsuly the same way

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Speaker 1: as the Senate, effect in the same way as the Senate,

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Speaker 1: and then doing it in such a fashion means that

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Speaker 1: this is the last legislative step so long at the

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Speaker 1: President side of the bill, which we're pretty confident he's

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Speaker 1: going to be given these margins so partively effect that

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Speaker 1: that this will become law and there a more no

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00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: more roadblocks. There doesn't mean to be a conference committee, there,

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Speaker 1: no further negotiations, just the persiment, sidings and legislation. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you thanks for that rundown on it. Um. Do you

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Speaker 1: anticipate there being any dissent on the House floor. I

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Speaker 1: think there will be boots against the bill. Sure, they're

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Speaker 1: you know, they're folks gonna oppose the permanent the authorisation

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Speaker 1: of the BCF on not on the grounds of what

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Speaker 1: other the CF does, but just the philosophy of permanent

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Speaker 1: realthorizations in general. And you know, there are some folks

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Speaker 1: that probably upset but something they really wanted to get

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Speaker 1: is not in this package, or maybe some people that

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Speaker 1: are complain about the process. But I've been watching this now,

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Speaker 1: I know you guys been watching it as well. Not

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Speaker 1: a single member as some of the floor and and

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Speaker 1: opposed the bill talked to opposition of the bill during

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Speaker 1: this time for debate. So I think that's really meaningful

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Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna have a real star on

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Speaker 1: both county shortly. Well, great, that's a that's that's good

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Speaker 1: to hear. As we go through this, we're watching it

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Speaker 1: on close captions as we kind of discussed the content

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Speaker 1: of the bill, which is weirdly difficult to uh to

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Speaker 1: do um, but it seems like they're they're saying many

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Speaker 1: of the same things Republican and Democrat. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think, as I said at the outside, there's there's

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Speaker 1: something in this thing for basically everybody. A lot of

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Speaker 1: things that have like, for instance, so you know, Rob

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Speaker 1: Bishop mentioned making then Bishop mentioned that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the bills that they're passing today have on the suspension calendar,

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Speaker 1: have already passed as individual bills on the suspension calendar,

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Speaker 1: and they've had to be packaged up because in the

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Speaker 1: Senate process that you know, this has been well that

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Speaker 1: well the well well negotiated for a long time. Some

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Speaker 1: of these provisions have been in the works and in

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Speaker 1: various other packages for six years, eight years, and we're

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Speaker 1: just now finally seeing them get done. I mean I

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Speaker 1: remember personally looking on open and less closed language in

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Speaker 1: the House and sent it back into point twelve. And

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Speaker 1: you know what legislation that is critical for just just

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Speaker 1: to make sure that for a service down deal on

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Speaker 1: the presumption is those places are open two hundreds and anglers,

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Speaker 1: And then we're going to get that done finally after

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Speaker 1: a long time of being on the radar and and

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Speaker 1: on the birth way of success. The thing has been

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Speaker 1: a real close three or four other times and just

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Speaker 1: be able to get there. So I'm pumpous. Yeah, No,

641
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: we were actually just having that conversation, but affirming hunting

642
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: fishing rights and federal ends and how that may prove

643
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: to be important down the road, even if it feels

644
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: a little bit at the moment like it doesn't impact

645
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: what we're already doing. I think I think having that

646
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: enshrined in law could prove to be very impactful down

647
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: the line. But my question is just to say, are

648
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: there aspects of this bill has written that you find concerning? Yeah,

649
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: there are a few. I mean, when you can si

650
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: pages of legislative texts and and you know, dozens and

651
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: dozens of individual provisions. There are some some one in

652
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: particular the Alaska Native Veterans a lotment, but all that

653
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: we think could have been drafted a little bit better. Um,

654
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: But I think that's kind of inevitable when you're having

655
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: a bill like this has had again a lot of

656
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: people's support, and they say, if it was a bill

657
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: that was perfect and we loved everything in it, we

658
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be sitting here right now. You know, when

659
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: it comes down, when it comes down to the Morst

660
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: training that happens BI partnersanship means you know, not everybody's

661
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: getting everything you wanted. No one's getting everything they want,

662
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: I should say, and and that's certainly the case here.

663
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's definitely some provision is that if we

664
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: have our brothers, we might not see in this package.

665
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: But it's this part of the process. Yeah, I mean

666
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: for us, you know, we're sitting here trying to you know,

667
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: purpose of us wanting to record a podcast and give

668
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: you a call and have you be part of the

669
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: conversation is just simply to um, better try to understand

670
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: this package and better try to understand not only what

671
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: it means in the greater sense or you know, this

672
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: celebration we might have, but also to to understand, um,

673
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: where we could do better or what things this was

674
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: that we need to understand that might not be aligned

675
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: with all we feel. UM. Just as a last point, UM,

676
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: what do you what would you tell hunters and anglers? Um, Again,

677
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: you said you've been working on this for for upwards

678
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: of a decade, six six years or more, what would

679
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: you tell folks about just the meaning of this, Like

680
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: as somebody who works on this day in and day out,

681
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and and um has seen some of the struggles. What

682
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, what does this mean to you just personally

683
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: and professionally. Well, yeah, there's a lot of things in

684
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: here that I've worked on for a long time and

685
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: a lot of other people, and there's a lot of

686
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: credits go around the The one thing that we've learned

687
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: is that I've learned personally is that you know, tomorrow

688
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: is a new day. These are there's some big winds

689
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: in this package, but we're standing down the barrel of

690
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: major conservation funding issues in this country. We're staring down

691
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the barrel of major wildlife health and habitat issues and

692
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: access issues. Uh in you know, in the part of

693
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: the country where I'm from, which is in Maryland and

694
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: where I hunt, where access is basically a crisis. And

695
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more work to do ahead of us.

696
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: And as sweet as this victory is, we can't we

697
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: can't enjoy that victory for too too long before we

698
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: get back to work. And I think sportsman men and

699
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: women that hunting fish have got to be as as

700
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: active as possible, more active than they've been, and more

701
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: straightforward with their lawmakers and saying miss the Land Water

702
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: Conservation Fund is a great conservation tool. It is one.

703
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: It's done now. That does not mean that lawmakers are

704
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: alf the hook the conservation for the next decade. But

705
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: we can't. But we can't let happen is for a

706
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: bunch of wallmakers to come out and say what we

707
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: reauthorized CF that was the conservation asked for this Congress

708
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: and for this five year time period. And there's much

709
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: more to do across the wide variety of topics wildlife,

710
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: how chronic wasting, disease, private lands, conservation, clean Water Act.

711
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's enough to do here that

712
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: we can be excited. And I'm going to have the

713
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: maker's marks, and like when I get home tomorrow morning,

714
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: there too, our SUPO is gonna be there looking on

715
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: a lot of other issues at a critical disportsman. So

716
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: you get back on your on your computer and right

717
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: to your conshman and and uh, you know, support your

718
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: nonprofits that are doing good things for conservation, because there's

719
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot more to do here. Yeah. Well, Steve, as

720
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: a fellow Marylander, I appreciate your work. But as if

721
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: as a fellow you know, as a fellow hunter and

722
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: angler and and part of this industry. We you know,

723
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: I want to just say we appreciate what you do

724
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: and your insights. We're gonna continue to we may break

725
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: out a maker's mark or a bourbon at some point

726
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: here soon. It looks like they're getting close to giving

727
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: us a some real votes in this thing. So well,

728
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us and appreciate the work that you do,

729
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: and we'll talk real soon. Thanks a lot, thanks, thank you,

730
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: all right, um cool, it's good to have like I

731
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: just always, um, I'm appreciative of We talk a lot

732
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: here about conservation. We talk out about the works that

733
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: are important, but it's folks like Steve Klein that that

734
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: are in the trenches. You know, when I've talked to

735
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: guys at the Corestional Sports Is Foundation, or people at

736
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: t r c P, or people at b h A,

737
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: it is, it's it's um. It's always important to recognize

738
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: the work that they do on our behalf. Um. So

739
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna keep going here, We're gonna we're

740
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: watching right now they're voting an electronic vote. What that

741
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: looks of it on terminating border Emergency Declaration. That's a

742
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: whole another we're not going to touch that the top.

743
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: And we're we're efforting to get ahold of Mr Land

744
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Tawny Um of back country Hunters Anglers, to get his

745
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: take on this as we as we wait on a vote.

746
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: And but I think it's suffice to say, like, as

747
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: we bring these folks into that are on the ground, UM,

748
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: it's this is insights that I love to hear, that's

749
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: for sure. And and it's all I think it's particularly

750
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: insightful to have who have been like Steve, who have

751
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: been deeply involved in this legislative process for so many

752
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: years and have seen these mash nations kind of rise

753
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: and fall. Oh here we got land, all right, We're

754
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: joined by Land Tawny my one of my great friends

755
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: in the world and a lovely human good man, a

756
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: man that Montanan through and through and the man that

757
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: leads back huntry hunters. Anglers a frequent topic on this podcast. Um,

758
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: what's up? Land? Just uh waiting to talk to you

759
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: guys about some badass stuff. Man, Oh my god, you're

760
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: really I could feel I feel the energy in your

761
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: come out of my pores right now. Man bouncing, Well,

762
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: tell tell us how you're feeling right now. We're watching

763
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: We're trying to make c SPAN great again. It's not

764
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: really working out. Trying to make it interesting at least, Yeah,

765
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: trying to make it interesting. When when was it great?

766
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: We're just curious. Never are you watching the c SPAN

767
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: covers the Land. I'm not. I'm getting a text as

768
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: we speak. Uh, and so I I don't have coverage

769
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: of it, but I'm like living bycariously through technology. Um.

770
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're into this vote right now, right, Like

771
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: we have an awesome vote out of the Senate eight

772
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: like exclamation point on that, and now we're going through

773
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the House and like we expect this thing to go well.

774
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: And I think that uh for me to just signifies

775
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: that like your your voice is a you know, your

776
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: individual voice, our voices a sportsman and women like they

777
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: count as long as we use Yeah, now you're right.

778
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: And and we just had Steve Klein from TRCP on

779
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: and we're talking about some of the pros and cons

780
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: of this bill, and he seemed he wanted to sing

781
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: its praises and all the work that's been done to

782
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: get to this point. What what are you most excited about?

783
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm probably most excited about the land of

784
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: water controversial funds getting permanently we authorized. I think, you know,

785
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: the number one access to in this country. Like once

786
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: we get this piece one and we can start talking

787
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: about you know, full and dedicated and funding. But this

788
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: idea that we're gonna let this you know, awesome fun

789
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: sunset and go away absolutely ridiculous to me. So you know,

790
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: American people spoke up. We've got that. Um. I love

791
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: that there's a million acres of will be mens in

792
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: this bill. Uh loves that there's six hundred miles and

793
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: protected rivers. These are places that you and I and

794
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: everybody listening to this can either go to or dream

795
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: about going through to the rest of our lives. So

796
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: I love that the minimum withdrawl and Yellowstone on the

797
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: Gullstone Gateway and also the Mental Valley, uh and uh Washington,

798
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: I think is really cool. And then this idea that

799
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is more of a placebo probably,

800
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: but now it puts it in a law that these

801
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: public lands that you and I and everybody enjoys, like

802
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: it's open for hunting and officially and shooting and let's

803
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: prescribe otherwise. And that's really dialed in with this bill.

804
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: And so there's other things as well, but I think

805
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: that's the top line for me. Yeah, and that that

806
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: affirmation of hunting and fishing rights on federal lands. We

807
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: just talked to Steve for quite a while about that. Yeah,

808
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: do you do you do you envision that coming into

809
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: play at some point? Like what what's the validity of that?

810
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: That element of this legislation. Again, I think it's like

811
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of luciable, Like I think it was

812
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: like that already, you know, Um, and so this now

813
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: codifies that. And so if there is an instance, I

814
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: mean there's still exceptions to that rule, right for all

815
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: sorts of things. Um, But I think that you know,

816
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: push comes to shove on a place to Uh, it

817
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't be open. I think that will help us as

818
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: we go forward. Thanks. Yeah, Um, you know, one thing

819
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: where we're trying to keep in mind here is that

820
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: there's hundred and ten pieces of legislation and that conservationists

821
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: are not overwhelmingly supportive of every individual bill within this package. Um,

822
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: how much of a devil's bargain are we making here? Like? What?

823
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: What what about this act? Don't you like? I mean,

824
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: life's about compromise now, right, Like when you and I

825
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: hang out, if I've made you drink cold smoking home,

826
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: we could smoke every single time we got together. I

827
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have a hard time with that. Okay, well

828
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: let's share the different but you get my point. Like,

829
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: like if I made you go do something that, if

830
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be friends, right, Like I might suggest something

831
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like could be a compromise like that, relationships,

832
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: it's compromised. So when I think about this bill, ultimately,

833
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: it's a grand compromise. I think everybody got things they wanted.

834
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I think from land conveyances in Texas, uh and then

835
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Alaska in particular. Like give us pause, But when we

836
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: looked at the overall like goods this thing does. It's like, man,

837
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: we gotta support those things. So um, you know, this

838
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: is the way life works again. And I and I'm

839
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: so glad that Congress is actually um doing work for

840
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: us in that eight vote. It happened in the Senate

841
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: and now hopefully a good result in my house. Like

842
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: that's real stuff that we're gonna have, real protections, real

843
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: opportunities to the land water controversitions on going forward. So

844
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: you weigh all those things, and yes there's some of

845
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: that leaves a little bit of a bad taste in

846
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: your mouth, but you gotta look at the better of

847
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: the whole. And I think we got that with this

848
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: bill real quick to close that loop. Land. Give us

849
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: a grade, man, like F being terrible and A plus

850
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: being the best thing we could possibly got. That was

851
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: never really good student in school. I was pretty good

852
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: until I got to college. But I mean I give

853
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: it like an A minus probably um and and that

854
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: to me maybe B plus. But like, I mean, overall,

855
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: this thing is really really good and I think the

856
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: American people should be proud of that. You know, we

857
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: did a we did a reception in DC. UM A

858
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. And you know when you have

859
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski from Alaska standing up there and you have

860
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Center Heinrich sort Republican and Democratic don't see eye to

861
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: eye on many things, but they were both praising one

862
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: the work of hunters and anglers to kind of bring

863
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: this forward, but also kind of a great compromise that

864
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: was struck, Like that's something we should celebrate in this country.

865
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: And and so that's why I give it. I think

866
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: that neither B plus or A minus. Yeah, I'm gonna

867
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: back up for Justice Land and appreciate the fact that

868
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: you called out the pulling of the mining rights near

869
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: Yellowstone and North Cascade. Um, that's something we have not

870
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: covered yet. And as you know, that is something that

871
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: is near and dear to my heart and uh campaign

872
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: that I worked on really hard for a couple of years.

873
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: So happy to see that go through. Um. But though

874
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: you're lurking, thanks for like speaking up. I've been I've

875
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: been here the whole time, brother, I've been here the

876
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: whole time, just laying in wait. Um. The and and

877
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: one of the other conversations that we're having was how

878
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: in many ways, I would say thanks to organizations like

879
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: back Country hunters, anglers, and r c P. The LWCF

880
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: is on everybody's lips, at least in our small circles

881
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: within the last two years, and I think you guys

882
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: deserve a lot of credit for that, and I think

883
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with why this is

884
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: showing up here. But one of the concerns that we've

885
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: been discussing is, as as fantastic as it is to

886
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: permanently re authorized the LWCF, the fact that it is

887
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: not fully funded and that it requires annual appropriation and

888
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: gives all of us pause. And I'd love to hear

889
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: you speak to that a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely, I

890
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: think let's celebrate first, right, like this is a major,

891
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: major win and grassroots constituencies that we've been talking to

892
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: and mobilizing that you just discussed like we needed to

893
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: win and we needed it bad. And what that wind

894
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: does not only the pulses that are contained within this legislation,

895
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: but it's also the idea that your voice still counts, right,

896
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: and this idea that Congress woke up one day and

897
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, let's go past the public land factors.

898
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Let's permently authorized Land of Water Conservation Fund that did

899
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: not happen in the vacuum. So there's a lot of

900
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: education that you talked about that lead to that. Then

901
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: it's also actions. And so now with the victory, like

902
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: we got blood in the water now, right, and I

903
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: think that when we have that blood in the water,

904
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: like we could do more, you know, And I think

905
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: that momentum carries through. I have some concerns just like you,

906
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: that we have to go back and ask your appropriators

907
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: every years, you know, only been fully funded once. Um,

908
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: But I think the momentum is on our side now.

909
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: And really I think, you know, this is like one

910
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: of those things that there's really a teaching moment not

911
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: only to you know, the grassroots, but also to those

912
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: people that we elected to represent acts that we the

913
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: people demand this stuff and then we're getting it. So

914
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: I think as we go forward, you know, I'll be

915
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Pollyannist a little bit and be like, yeah, this guy

916
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: looks pretty blue to man, that's because um of what

917
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 1: just happened. So I would say this is momentum build

918
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: those other things. Yeah, thanks, great, great answer to that.

919
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: I love the blood and the water metaphor um. Yeah,

920
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: we're putting out the chum slit Um. I've heard, I've

921
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: heard Congress framed in a lot of really negative ways. Um.

922
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: That's a that's another one. Um. So you're you're talking

923
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: about're talking about like, you know, what what we can

924
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: do next? Next steps? I'd love to hear you address

925
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: some of the some of the broader public land's issues,

926
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: some of the systemic issues that are are leading to uh,

927
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: you know some people kind of putting down the system

928
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: of public land, like you know, leave it open to criticism.

929
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: You know. One thing that's held up there very frequently

930
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: is like wildfire funding. So I mean that's one. But

931
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: are there are there any you know, and address that

932
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: if you'd like to. But but but what what are

933
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: some some bigger, more systemic issues that you'd like to

934
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: see Congress address now that they have that you know,

935
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: taste of blood if you will. Yeah. So I think

936
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: the you know, the wildfire funding that you bring up,

937
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's so fixed that we got done about

938
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: a year ago and I will start to take place

939
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: in so basically what that does that solves some of

940
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: the budget problems that fires caused, or it's just a

941
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: huge sucking noise that every single summer we put a

942
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: bunch of money in the fighting fires, and then we

943
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: don't have enough money to do anything else on our

944
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: public plans. And so that that kind of situation is

945
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: being solved. At the same time, if it's systematic kind

946
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: of defunding of our public minds, that's still an issue.

947
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: So our public land managers don't have the funds to

948
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: be able to do road mains, to be able do

949
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: have it that improvements to be able to do like

950
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: wildlife studies, and so to me, I think like this

951
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: should be an indication that vote, especially in the Santa

952
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: and now I'm moving onto the House like it's overwhelming

953
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: support for our public land and our public waters, and

954
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: so we should be investing in our public lands and

955
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: waters versus starving moment So I think, you know, the

956
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: momentum now is on our side to have that conversation

957
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: about carrying feeding. Basically the cornerstone of this outdoor economy

958
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: that we all depend on. It is eighty seven billions

959
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: with the B dollars every single year, and so I

960
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: think funding would probably be one of the main ones

961
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: that I would talk about. I think that you know,

962
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: there's the issues around the Arctic National Allife refuge. There's

963
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: issues around the boundary waters in northern Minnesota. I think

964
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: those were localized kind of national yeah, and localized efforts

965
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: of the national importance. But if I thought that about

966
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: the overall thing, I would say, that's funding. And I

967
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: think now we have even more momentum behind us and

968
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: that people are recognizing that you know, honey, me, fishing

969
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: in our outdoor activities are just something that we do

970
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: on our off down It's like a way of life,

971
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: and not only the way of life, but so um

972
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: I just an indication of that, and hopefully we can

973
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: get there, uh some momentum to actually have a better

974
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: budgetary outlook thing you do that now. I think that

975
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: from these from where I said, from my perspective and

976
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: this echo something you've said, this is uh a at

977
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: least some evidence that that momentum is building and that

978
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: the some of the same lawmakers who not so very

979
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: long ago we're trying to pass legislation that was explicitly

980
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: aggressive against public lands are now willing to sign on

981
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: to something that is has a lot of benefits for

982
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: public plans. And to me, that is indicative of that

983
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: momentum shift that you're talking about and makes me at

984
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: least feel hopeful that we will continue to pass incremental

985
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: legislation that moves in a direction that we can all

986
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: feel good. Up up, Yeah. I mean I think Congressman Bishop,

987
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, Republican in the House. Um, you know, he's

988
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: the ranking member of the Natural Resources Committee, was the chair,

989
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: and the perfect example of that, like he wanted to

990
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: basically dismantle man water controversation fund help it pay for

991
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: backlog of maintenance, and then this kind of public pressure

992
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: got put on him. And so I think that's not

993
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: an either or conversation, that's an m conversation. So let's

994
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: do LBCF and let's take care of the backlog of

995
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: maintenance and let's invest more and kind of to management

996
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: our public lands. And um, you know again that isn't

997
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: Congressman Bishop. This didn't wake up one morning. It was

998
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: like that was a bad idea. Like that is then

999
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: tons and tons of tons of pressure that's been put

1000
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: on by people in his own state of Utah but

1001
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: also in his cold and go all around the country

1002
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: to do better for public lands. And so you know,

1003
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of tacos. Oh maybe he's

1004
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: flip flops. Well, no, he listened to the people, and

1005
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: I think you know that should be applotted and we

1006
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: should celebrate that and then helping move you all other

1007
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: issues as well. Yeah, I mean, I think it's well

1008
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: you said about flip flop. Flip flopping does exist, but

1009
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: in the in this context, when you're listening to your

1010
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: constituency and making sound you know, governance choices and governance

1011
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: based on the people that you're representing, that you can't

1012
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: argue against that. And I mean the work that you do,

1013
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: the work that um TRCP does and other groups and

1014
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: on behalf of public lands is super important. So obviously

1015
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna be celebrating tonight, you know, we believe this

1016
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: is going to pass and go to the President's desk

1017
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: to be signing the law. Like, what's the celebration look

1018
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: like for Lantani tonight? What kind of uh, where are

1019
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: you gonna be what are you gonna be doing? It's

1020
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a quiet What's kind of cool is that

1021
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: we've got an event Manaventure, California patting on your headquarters

1022
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: and this idea of kind of bringing hunters and hikers together,

1023
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: like you think about like all the support that has

1024
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: been from the public lands package. That hasn't just come

1025
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: from hunters in anglings. That's come from many different constituents.

1026
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: And so here's an idea that we had and now

1027
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: guess what we get to sell break back tonight, you know,

1028
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be eating a wild boar down here.

1029
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna be eating bison. We got some like oysters

1030
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: and stuff we're gonna be eating. They're all sustained, we harvested.

1031
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 1: Like it's times gonna be a celebration of not only

1032
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: food and uh maybe a little bit of whiskey, but

1033
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be awesome to share that with

1034
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: the constituent. See that maybe sometimes book at us hunters

1035
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: like a little sideways. But this is a place where

1036
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: we can come together. And I think, you know ultimately

1037
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: that what America is, We're going to find these common places.

1038
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: And it goes back to the conversation I was talking

1039
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: about with Sam and I like, compromises a really important thing,

1040
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: and where we can find common ground and we could dominate.

1041
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: And if you think about clean air, clean water, the

1042
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: Endangerous Species Act they got signed in the law by

1043
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon in the seventies, like that was like that

1044
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: was a ton of people asking him to do that,

1045
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: and and the Republican ultimately signing those things in the law.

1046
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: And sometimes maybe you think there's not like doesn't square.

1047
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: And so to me, tonight it's gonna be an awesome celebration.

1048
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: We'll be clinking glasses. I'll be pouring out a little

1049
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: look it did. You guys are here? Um with you?

1050
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 1: With you guys? Able to celebrate because you're all three

1051
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: very good men. Well we'll soon. We'll do it soon enough,

1052
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure for sure. Thank you, Mr Tony, have fun

1053
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: to night man, and then uh keep it calm if

1054
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: you can here we go alright here from Orlando. All right,

1055
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: be good, Thanks you, good laying TONI he's a one

1056
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: of a kind, always character, always character. Now we're watching

1057
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: right now and c Span. Uh looks like the terminating

1058
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: the Border emergency declaration is going to pass. I thought

1059
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: we were gonna talk about that. Well we can't. There's

1060
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: no we can't avoid it. Uh uh. Right now, we're

1061
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: gonna take a break to show kitty cat videos so

1062
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't have to talk about this charged issue that's

1063
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: going right now. But we're waiting, So I imagine that

1064
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: the next thing will happen will be the vote on

1065
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: supposed to So the time remaining in the vote for

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00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: for the on the thing we're not going to talk

1067
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: about is zero zero zero, So that's good. So that

1068
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: means seventy people are late. Seventy people are so we're

1069
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna slackers, but they're also getting to a tipping point

1070
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: where it will pass, so we'll be able to hopefully

1071
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: here in in a little bit close this out by

1072
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: talking you through the real time votes that are coming

1073
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: in um into the c span. You know, I feel

1074
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: like c SAN should get some new graphics. What's going on?

1075
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: You think? I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna be frustrated

1076
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning when I wake up and listen to and

1077
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: read the news as I do because I refused to

1078
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: watch television news because it's the worst thing ever. But

1079
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: the leading the headlines is going to be this particular

1080
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: vote as opposed to whatever happens on the next vote,

1081
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be silently frustrated about

1082
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: that tomorrow morning. I'm just I'm just guessing. Yeah, I mean,

1083
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: I think it just goes to show you our you know,

1084
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: our politics are such that that uh, well, our media

1085
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: is such that we tend to dwell on certain topics

1086
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: that are either either hot button like this one we're

1087
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: not talking about, or um they have a particular political

1088
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: lean that gets somebody where they need to go. UM.

1089
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: But it's it's I mean, you know, what I think

1090
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: about is is good to be in a community of

1091
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: people that care about this stuff UM, not the not

1092
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: the border emergency UM, not that they don't, but that

1093
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: care about both both care about ecosystems and healthy wildlife

1094
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: and figuring it out. I mean it's super complicated, as

1095
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: we've discussed here. I mean we you know, we could

1096
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: go for many more hours trying to break down this

1097
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: bill uh and it's minutia. But you know, for me,

1098
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's good to be

1099
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: a part of a community that can, you know, talk

1100
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: about these issues and cares about them and look pragmatically

1101
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: at what they can do for us. UM. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the breaking news tomorrow and the hunting industry will be

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01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: this and the fishing industry will be this, UM And

1104
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm that's I'm proud of that because I think that

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: shows that we're you know, that we really do care

1106
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: and calling ourselves conservations because of the money that we

1107
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: are forced to spend on tags, and then Pitman robertson

1108
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: tax exercise tag the money. Yeah, we gladly said, I mean,

1109
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: we don't have a choice, but we do have a

1110
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: choice to care about this stuff and talk about it.

1111
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: And people have a choice to listen to this and

1112
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: be propelled to action next time something comes up that

1113
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: they can you know, they can have an effect on.

1114
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's as much as maybe on this

1115
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: podcast particularly we beat on folks for just because you

1116
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: go hunting doesn't mean that you're an Asian conservation This

1117
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: just just being interested in this and trying to understand it,

1118
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: I think is a great exercise. I think it's it's

1119
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: absolutely great exercise. I also think that as we all saw,

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01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: trying to read through the provisions of this bill line

1121
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: by line, it's it can be mind numbing and it

1122
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: can be incredibly difficult, and for folks who are busy

1123
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: with jobs and kids and trying to get outside reading

1124
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: all the pertinent legislation, it's just not really feasible. You

1125
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: can't actually read all those lines. I mean that even

1126
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: the people who are voting on them don't. But what

1127
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: you can do is you can find a variety of

1128
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: different trusted outlets for your information, and you can get

1129
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: different perspectives and make up your mind independently. And to me,

1130
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing to do, rather than just

1131
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: finding one siloed area who you choose to trust, looking

1132
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: at a number of different perspectives and then drawing your

1133
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: own conclusions about what's being voted on. Yeah, and I

1134
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: look at that as you know, my my most important

1135
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: role as a journalist in a writer for Meat Eater,

1136
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: and you guys too that we that's what we try

1137
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: to do all day, every day is frame this these

1138
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: things such that everyone, everyone listening, everyone in our audience

1139
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: can become informed and know which elements matter to hunting,

1140
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: fishing in the things we love. Yeah, I mean it's hard,

1141
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: you know. I think it's in all aspects of this,

1142
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: um that it's impossible for someone. I mean, you don't

1143
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: have to spend all of your waking hours that you

1144
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: have devoted to free time to understand this hill or

1145
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: to understand we're talking about this the other day around

1146
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: the media coverage of trophy hunting scandals. Um, it's it's

1147
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: impossible to gain perspective on what's good for a Pakistani

1148
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: village or um a village in Africa in Botswana when

1149
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: it comes to elephants. But it isn't impossible to pick

1150
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: up the newspaper or click on CNN or NBC and

1151
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: and read some version of some a lot often sensationalized

1152
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: version of um these events and UM that's it's up

1153
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: to all of us to be just discerning and to

1154
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 1: to look at things through a critical lens. Man, and

1155
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: this is this is just another one of those examples

1156
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: like and and we're lucky to be in a you know,

1157
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: I walk into here. When we started Media and Incorporated,

1158
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: it was like my vision that we would have a

1159
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: bunch of smart individuals in the room and when something happened,

1160
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: we would able to have a conversation about it, determined

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01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: how we wanted to help educate people. And here we

1162
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: are doing it. So, I mean, I think for me,

1163
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: this is, you know, a culmination of something I've been

1164
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: in the industry for ten years and having ever felt

1165
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel now a few group of

1166
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: guys trying to figure this stuff out. Absolutely, it's it's important,

1167
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's enlightening. Man, to do it. So, I mean,

1168
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: I've spent my career writing in the outdoor space, and

1169
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: the fact that we have the number of resources and

1170
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: the amount of brain power we have in the same

1171
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: room here to be able to talk about it is invaluable.

1172
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: And I think that folks at home should know it's

1173
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: not just like we all walk in and and we

1174
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: all agree on every point and everything is hungry doory

1175
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: like we have to. We have to work through it,

1176
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: and we disagree and we argue and in a healthy

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Speaker 1: and respectful way, which I think is something that's sorely

1178
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: missing in a lot of our dialogue at large right now.

1179
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: But we have that, we were lucky enough to have

1180
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: that at the place where we're working to have it

1181
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: be encouraged. And I think that everybody who's listening to

1182
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: this is getting to benefit from that. Yeah, And I think, uh,

1183
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, we can all hope to

1184
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: be a part of a group of people or friend

1185
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: group or you know, a community that accent in that way,

1186
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: we can always call out that parts of our society

1187
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: that don't quite function like the way we would want them,

1188
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: the government being one we're watching now and c Span

1189
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: we're watching them function and in the media being another

1190
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: or um neither those functions. Functioning that the House of

1191
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: Representatives is is telling the President that he can't do

1192
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: something that really wants. That is a form of functioning,

1193
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: but it is is also a form of fighting. That

1194
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: looks like they're getting ready to get it on here.

1195
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: And as as we kind of lead up to this vote,

1196
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 1: I think that as as cynical as as I may

1197
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: be about well, any legislation really, because as we talked about,

1198
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: they're all a little bit complicated. Um Man. Every time

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01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: I have a conversation with Lantani, I come out of

1200
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: it feeling like the words a better place and everything's

1201
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna be good. And and to his point that this

1202
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: represents the power that folks have to change legislation, it

1203
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: was not that long ago that as he brought up,

1204
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: Representative Bishop was supporting legislation to dismantle public lands as

1205
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: we know, and now we've got him supporting this bill.

1206
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: It may not be perfect, but that's that is a

1207
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: c change in perspective, and that really does speak to

1208
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: what you all have done and we have done in

1209
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: terms of changing the national conversation. Yes, the vote is

1210
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: ongoing to gabble has been UH is banged down and

1211
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: we have a five minute vote that's banged down. This

1212
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: not even close, but the vote is going on. In

1213
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: the terrible night graphics that CNN puts up that this

1214
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: it says this needs a two thirds majority to pass,

1215
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: and it's already at a hundred and sixty four to twelve.

1216
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: Hundred sixty four twelve is looking good. We got about

1217
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: four minutes left under night, so the tickers is looking good,

1218
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: votes remaining. It's looking good for the tooth words UM

1219
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: as we as we figured, you know, when it passes

1220
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: and the Senate, and and again as Steve is saying

1221
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: that that the reason that they're doing this, UM just

1222
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: passed this under suspension is because they don't want it

1223
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: to change because it was such a you know, such

1224
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: a rousing victory for it in the Senate. UM. There

1225
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: would be so much work to have to do to

1226
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: turn the clock back and go back and work on

1227
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: this again. But yet I did hear and read some

1228
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: conservation organizations encouraging amendment to to the package in the House.

1229
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: I think pretty broadly everyone would tell them to shut

1230
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: up and like let's get this done. Go back and

1231
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: get something done yet well right, and I mean the

1232
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: point here in the land makes it Steve made it

1233
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: well is hopefully the point the folks who take away

1234
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: is like, you're not going to get everything you want. Um.

1235
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I like land given it an a mine. It's just

1236
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: because it's it gets us on a path where these

1237
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: things become important. And you know, the speed with which

1238
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: this moved through the Congress is um is great news.

1239
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: And right now we're at two nine eight to twenty six. Um.

1240
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that's two thirds. Yeah, that's already toast.

1241
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: It's past, but two minutes to go, only seven three minutes.

1242
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: So we'll break it down. There's twenty nine currently twenty

1243
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: nine Republicans that have have thrown in the nay and

1244
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: three hundred seventeen total yeas. That's a hundred ninety eight

1245
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: uh Democratic yeas and under nineteen Republican under nineteen, which

1246
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: which you know, hundred and twenty to thirty one as

1247
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: far as the Republican UM votes on this go. And

1248
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,839
Speaker 1: then historically we know that you know a lot the

1249
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, the balk the land transfer advocates come from

1250
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: that side of the that side of the aisle. So

1251
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: I mean This is freaking rousing victory for for folks

1252
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: that care about these issues, and it just really is, Um,

1253
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: we probably spent you know, it's a kind of our jobs.

1254
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: We spent wanted to spend some time beating on it

1255
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: a while before it passed. Um, which you know, it

1256
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: makes me, you know, it makes me feel good about

1257
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: the way we're able to approach these things. But in

1258
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I mean, when something passes,

1259
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: what's this gonna be? Man like four hundred to fifty

1260
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: something like that. That's looking like it. So, I mean

1261
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: that's huge. And hopefully Mr President Trump, I mean there's

1262
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: like almost no way he wouldn't sign this in the wall.

1263
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,440
Speaker 1: At this point, he hasn't vetoed anything yet in his presidency.

1264
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: I think he's about to. If this we're not talking

1265
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: about that. If we're not talking about that, that didn't

1266
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: even happen. Um. But yeah, I mean, you know, with

1267
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: a minute remaining, and it's it's past. It's past. I

1268
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: mean that, and so you know we've heard about what

1269
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: it means, we've now been able to live comment on.

1270
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it really it strikes me to c Span

1271
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: just can't update their you know, update their graphics. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: watching it anyway. Do you want, like you want like

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Speaker 1: a little dancing puppy in the corner. What do you

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Speaker 1: would like to see? That's some sort of like an

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Speaker 1: eagle might fly by the on the screen, Like that's

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Speaker 1: what Loo Fireworks Fox News would do that. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: the Cold Bear Show graphics the best, the best. I

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Speaker 1: think the point of the seas Maan is to not

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Speaker 1: be entertaining that. I think it's sort of counter to

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Speaker 1: their attention to try and sex it up. I would

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Speaker 1: like to see that like a poop gift or something

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Speaker 1: in there, like the smiling poop emoji, something, just to

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Speaker 1: let us know that they have a little sense of

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Speaker 1: human well, I mean, on some on some level, I

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Speaker 1: think con members of Congress aren't looking for any extra

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Speaker 1: level of scrutiny on what they're doing, you know, so

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Speaker 1: it's a funding issue. They're like, let's not fun anymore

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Speaker 1: because it might be more interesting. I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like they cooks in the kitchen, they

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Speaker 1: don't need people always breathing down the back of their necks,

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Speaker 1: although they already are. But I think it's it's deliberately

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Speaker 1: boring fifty seven boys, We're time is at the time

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Speaker 1: is up only sixteen no no votes, no votes there. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's again an amazing yeah for for this for where

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Speaker 1: we stand for for there to be fifty seven days

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Speaker 1: from the Republican side, zero days from a Democratic side,

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Speaker 1: and you know the percentage of yeas. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty six Republicans that vote in it. Like,

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Speaker 1: as a radical centrist myself, I like examples of my

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Speaker 1: partisanship in our government, and this is one of them. Um.

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Speaker 1: Any uh Any concluding thoughts there, Miles, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: my concluders on this one would be that I think

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Speaker 1: we we all should those of us who agree with

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01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: this anyway agree with conservation for ourselves, maybe a short

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: drink for this one at night and enjoy it. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I think if there's a takeaway here, it's that

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01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: we all, we as hunters and anglers and sportsmen and

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: outdoorsman can can have a voice that's heard. And we

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: are seeing evidence of that, where for a lot of

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Speaker 1: years I felt like we weren't and and we now are.

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Speaker 1: So let's take advantage of that. Everybody who's listened to this,

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Speaker 1: stay on top of these shoes. Continue to talk to

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Speaker 1: your representatives because it is obviously having an impact and

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Speaker 1: and this is a great win, but this is not

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Speaker 1: This is just a moment to double down on what

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: we're doing well, not to step away from it. So

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Speaker 1: I hope that everybody who's who's hearing this and who

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Speaker 1: cares about these issues is going to be continually engaged

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Speaker 1: and step up their efforts. Yeah, and just piggyback off

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Speaker 1: of this, off of what Miles just said. Many of

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01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: these votes were cast because they were told by their

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Speaker 1: constituents to cast that vote. And now is not the

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Speaker 1: time to really let the foot off the gas pedal.

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Speaker 1: This does not solve everything. Um call again, send another email.

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Speaker 1: Thank you representatives and your senators for how they voted

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Speaker 1: on this issue, but in the next breath, encourage them

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Speaker 1: to keep keep it moving, to get full funding for

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Speaker 1: Land Water Conservation Fund, to pass more wilderness study wilderness

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Speaker 1: bills that are opending. There's more wild and scenic rivers

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01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,440
Speaker 1: that need to be designated as wild and scenic and uh,

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, we we have not solved all the problems

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Speaker 1: and are you know, so please reach out to your

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Speaker 1: representatives thank them, but also tell them what you'd like

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Speaker 1: to see done in the future. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think I'll close it out by UM with another challenge.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, as we look at this vote,

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Speaker 1: you know, as I look at this vote is kind

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Speaker 1: of like a numerical UM expression of our government, like

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Speaker 1: in the bipartisan nature of what can be done. Those

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Speaker 1: of either are listening to this that that lean Republican

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01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: UM and and might want to you know, label what

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: we're talking about here is like some green decoy hand

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: handwringing about UM these important issues. Step back a minute

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: and look at this vote, and look at you know,

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Speaker 1: Rob Bishop standing up there, and look at the way

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Speaker 1: that he was able to UM be a part of

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 1: this legislation. And and maybe don't listen to the heretics

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01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: out there that are name calling and and trying to

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: attach motive to you know, the things we say or

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: the things anyone might say in support of UM. Public lands,

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: clean water, you know, clean healthy habitat those types of

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01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: things that as a community like, our power is in

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01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: in not that we always have to agree, but our

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: power comes from being able to to you know, leave

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01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: room UM for these kinds of winds and not beat

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: each other down when those things happen. I can tell

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: you know that that we all, like I say, I've

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Speaker 1: seen myself as a in the center of the conversation.

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: And if people that I know and trust to say

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Speaker 1: it's a win, um, then I counted as a win.

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01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: And um, much the same as if we were talking

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Speaker 1: about a gun rights bill that we all believed in

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Speaker 1: in the same way. So I think, let's not in

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Speaker 1: ink and in thinking about this in the postmortem, Let's

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: not get swept up in any of that bullshit. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's see this for what it is and and like

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Speaker 1: Myles said, move on and do more the things that

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Speaker 1: we can all agree on. That's it. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully all the call and stuff sounds great and everything

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Speaker 1: came out good. I'm I'm happy to have had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you boys, appreciate it. That's it. That's all. Another

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Speaker 1: episode in the books. This time it was it was

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Speaker 1: an idea I think that that Miles had um to

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Speaker 1: sit down and you know, podcasts while we watched the coverage.

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01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: One because we thought it would be fun to comment

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01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: on what's happening on a c SPAN broadcast, but also

1377
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: because we know this is important. We want to get

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Speaker 1: this out to you. Of course we we did, and

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01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: and Sam hasn't will continue to cover this for the

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Speaker 1: meat eater dot Com and al R editorial section, but

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 1: we wanted to get you a podcast with some guests

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: and some real time reaction as it happened, even though

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: you'll be listening to this a few days after. UM,

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: this is an important conversation. Again, something we care deeply about,

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: something we hope we can get right um as individuals

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01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,839
Speaker 1: and as a collective community, and something will continue to

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Speaker 1: talk about, examine as fairly as as possible. And if if, um,

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Speaker 1: if we don't, if we disagree with with someone at

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Speaker 1: b h A, we disagree with someone that's your CP

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Speaker 1: or anyone else in our our world, we'll let them know.

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: But in this case, UM, I think this could be

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Speaker 1: called a resounding win in many ways for people who

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Speaker 1: care about wild places of wild lands, which we do.

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Speaker 1: So once again, thanks for joining us, Thanks for sticking in.

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Speaker 1: Come back Tuesday for a regular episode of the show

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Speaker 1: where I'll be joined by one Shane Mahoney this coming Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna want to listen to that. See you next

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Speaker 1: time on the honey collector,