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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you projection of iHeartRadio, and today we

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Speaker 1: are bringing you a classic because of scheduling, sickness, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, which is kind of fitting I for

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Speaker 1: the classic I wanted to bring back today because this

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Speaker 1: is one of the best puns I've ever made, in

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Speaker 1: like we're getting a little ahead of ourselves.

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Speaker 2: You know, we love good horror. We love Halloween.

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Speaker 1: I especially love Halloween and Fall, and we're getting a

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Speaker 1: little bit ahead of ourselves. But I have been thinking

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Speaker 1: about this lately because, as we mentioned in our recent

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Speaker 1: con Dragon Con wrap up episode, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: were dressed as horror like more than normal for Dragon Con.

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Speaker 2: But I've also seen a lot of horror movies lately.

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Speaker 2: I know this is a press surprise, but I have

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of horror movies lately.

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Speaker 3: They were coming out in droves right now, like yees,

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Speaker 3: so many horror movies.

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Speaker 2: So many horror movies.

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Speaker 1: And I read a whole article about like companies being

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Speaker 2: All their like horror movies.

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Speaker 1: Just some things that they thought would just flop have

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Speaker 2: And you know that I'm there watching them.

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Speaker 3: Them all.

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Speaker 2: There's one hold out that gonna I'm gonna watch this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I did want to mention I brought it up before.

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Speaker 1: Deep bluesy Okay is a bad movie. It's really bad,

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Speaker 1: it's like their twenty fifth anniversary, so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's some anniversary. And the director was saying, like people

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Speaker 1: and I was like, the original ending, So I investigated

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Speaker 2: I knew it.

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Speaker 1: I knew the Ladies Scientist wasn't supposed to die.

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Speaker 1: They always felt kind of off to me in the

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Speaker 1: original ending. She doesn't die spoilers. I guess that movie's old.

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Speaker 1: But they said on exit interviews everyone was like that

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Speaker 1: it looks really ominous, like deserves to die as the title,

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Speaker 4: I was like, you know what this, Yes, but I

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Speaker 1: That kind of mindset of like, when a man does it,

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Speaker 2: When a woman does it serves to die.

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Speaker 1: If you've never seen Deep Lucy, she was a scientist

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Speaker 3: Oh I know nothing about this really bad. It's supposedly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're going to do a whole It might

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Speaker 1: But I was also thinking about bringing this one back

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Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of articles in my very

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, but I thought it was fitting

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Speaker 1: But it is coming, yes, But in the meantime, please

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Speaker 1: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Stefan Never Told your production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: For today's question, I'm asking one that I guess I

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Speaker 4: So I did have a celebration. That's nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I you know, I didn't realize it was

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Speaker 1: Worse when I realized, oh this is oh right, oh no.

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Speaker 4: Right, why why is it continuing to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, but yeah, today were finally talking about something

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Speaker 1: Talking about my theory that almost all horror movies are

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a real revelation researching this that it's

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Speaker 4: I mean that's fair.

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Speaker 3: But yes, note obviously not all women have periods, and

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Speaker 4: But for this specifically, we are.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and as we record this and as you

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Speaker 2: It's October. Happy Halloween, I know, my favorite time.

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Speaker 1: It's October first, actually the day we're recording this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm already like, should I get a pumpkin? No?

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Speaker 3: I was trying to get a pumpkin two weeks ago

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Speaker 3: and told someone told me no, like at the store.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they were there, and I liked the little

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Speaker 4: mini pumpkins. I love those. I'm putting Gogle.

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Speaker 3: Eyes on there, like, oh wow, that's my Jacqueline Arns,

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Speaker 4: I want it.

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Speaker 2: What touch to me is I don't want it to

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Speaker 1: Now that I'm getting so many groceries at once, it

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Speaker 1: One trip, one trip. Ant.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm like, that's than your nickname.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I definitely had two of my mini

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Speaker 4: For two years.

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Speaker 4: Stuck to the railing of my bandness.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow. And when they took it off, they threw

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a shame. It was almost a part of

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Speaker 4: Happy Hallow reen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes to the topic at hand.

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Speaker 1: People and particularly dudes, I would say, I've been afraid

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Speaker 2: Throughout history.

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Speaker 1: Periods have been viewed as a mark of womanhood, are

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Speaker 2: Don't go to a funeral on your period, don't.

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Speaker 1: And there is also minophobia, which is legit phobia, fear

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Speaker 3: Well, and like I said, in my little generation, it

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Speaker 4: Yeah you bloomed.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating to me when you say you saw like

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Speaker 2: I never it was always a bad thing to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've only seen it as a bad thing. As

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Speaker 2: Not that there weren't women. I'm sure that did.

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Speaker 4: Well. Also, that also brings on a bigger shame factor.

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Speaker 1: Well. It's really insidious when you think about it, because

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Speaker 4: As per usual.

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Speaker 4: I was actually taught that as a kid, that.

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Speaker 4: And even in my mind, there's this whole level of

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Speaker 1: That does sound so again shameful of Like people are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And again, like it's so much we could

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Speaker 1: But we are talking about horror movies today, and we've

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Speaker 2: I see how you thought that.

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Speaker 1: I'll see how you thought that, Like pioc gotcha exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: So Emily Soderback has actually written a whole piece on

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Speaker 1: And actually I'm really glad I found this piece because

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Speaker 1: I think that was very astute, for sure, and it

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Speaker 3: All right, So I think I must have watched a

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Speaker 3: And just pretty much saying giving the excuse, oh, she's

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I've seen that played on TV shows repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: There was a study that came out that said, actually

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Speaker 4: You've become a shrill harpy. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's not to the point

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Speaker 3: However, back to the emotions parts. Social media platforms sensoring

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna just wear blood everywhere. Like it it has

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Speaker 3: this thing like I do you get a little squeamish

447
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Speaker 3: about that? And I don't know if that's more so

448
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Speaker 3: of my in like ingrained this is shameful or just

449
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Speaker 3: like this doesn't compute as something that I have shown,

450
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Speaker 3: you know what, show off sure, you know. So it

451
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Speaker 3: is like this back and forth of like huh, And

452
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Speaker 3: I think people my generation have that same kind of

453
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Speaker 3: idea of like, yes, I'm not going to be hiding it,

454
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Speaker 3: but at the same time, I don't want to wear

455
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Speaker 3: my blood so everyone can see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

457
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just also the conversation around you know, people

458
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Speaker 1: who don't have periods, who are women, And that was

459
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when I remember this really

460
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Speaker 1: being a big thing, and I remember pieces of that conversation.

461
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Speaker 2: So I think it's great that to have.

462
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Speaker 1: That conversation that some people are like, no, have I period,

463
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Speaker 1: And I'm proud of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for that.

465
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Speaker 1: But yes, always good to have those and make sure

466
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Speaker 1: we're being inclusive when we talked about things like that.

467
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Speaker 1: So another reason I think we're afraid of periods is religion.

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Speaker 1: And I have been watching a lot.

469
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Speaker 2: Of horror movies lately, a lot, a lot, a lot, and.

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Speaker 1: I've realized a lot of our horror movies are religious

471
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Speaker 1: in nature. And I know we've talked about this, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever talked about it on

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Speaker 1: the show, but when I was young, I was very

474
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Speaker 1: very religious. I think I have talked about it, and

475
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Speaker 1: I would lie awake at night and think I'm going

476
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Speaker 1: to burn in hell. And then I was a bad person.

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Speaker 1: And I can see, especially in when we're talking about

478
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Speaker 1: older times, and religion back then, when you didn't understand

479
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Speaker 1: the world around you and you thought the period, your

480
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Speaker 1: period was shameful because it's in like religious text, then

481
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Speaker 1: it would be terrifying. Yeah, and you like the shame.

482
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Speaker 1: It's one thing like the shame I feel. But back

483
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, if I had thought like

484
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Speaker 1: this was some sign of my impurity, right, and I

485
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Speaker 1: was going to burn in hell because of it?

486
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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

487
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Speaker 3: Wells it also puts this responsibility of my duty as

488
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Speaker 3: a woman who has now bled as two birth children,

489
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Speaker 3: because this is the only reason for it. If I'm

490
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Speaker 3: not using that ability, I'm sinning, which has been that

491
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Speaker 3: old school text in religion as well, and what providing

492
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Speaker 3: for a family looks like for women. But yeah, absolutely

493
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Speaker 3: carry the movie, which we'll talk about in a little bit,

494
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Speaker 3: it is the epitome of that whole idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. Another reason I think people are fraid

496
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Speaker 1: of ferias are we are afraid of women's bodies. We

497
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Speaker 1: see this with women's bodies as a vessel for evil,

498
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Speaker 1: the bad seed Satan himself, like Rosemary's baby.

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Speaker 2: Like being the mother of that.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about that and more in depth,

501
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Speaker 1: and it's almost always it comes down to blaming the

502
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Speaker 1: mother in these movies or blaming the woman in these movies.

503
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Speaker 1: But often the mother, like especially in serial killer movies,

504
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, it was the mom. She should

505
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Speaker 1: have done X, Y Z. And then I was like, well,

506
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Speaker 1: the final girl might be an exemption, but I feel

507
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Speaker 1: like the final Girl is here's this pure, innocent woman

508
00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: who suffers and eventually a man will get No, like

509
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: she's being preserved for a man at a future dates,

510
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: which her precious, precious virginity which is why she survives,

511
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: is being preserved for some future man.

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Speaker 4: Well, we know the sequels that come out.

513
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Speaker 3: It's always never good, and it's a turn for her

514
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: trying to be a woman at this point.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's also this fear around the transition

516
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Speaker 1: into womanhood. We're very scared of young women, girls, young

517
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Speaker 1: girls becoming young women.

518
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Speaker 2: We literally are afraid of fangirling.

519
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Speaker 1: I think about that article I read all the time

520
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: where the it seemed legitimate.

521
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: The author was like this terrifying trend among young girls

522
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: where they screamed together and lust after this man's calm down.

523
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Speaker 1: Not only do we not understand thanks to a long

524
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: lack of science changing hormones, our bodies. We also don't

525
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Speaker 1: understand like changing emotions. We're afraid of it. And we

526
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Speaker 1: see this in so many movies. And I know we've

527
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: been talking about this a lot lately, but I think

528
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: this is in part why all those father daughter posts

529
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: apocalyptic stories exist. Right, What could be more difficult and

530
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: terrifying and altruistic than a man trying to understand a

531
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Speaker 1: teenage girl.

532
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Speaker 2: What are zombies compared to that?

533
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean the teenage boys you know, talk about porn, great,

534
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: talk about tell him how to fix a car, and

535
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: teenage girls though, oh no, oh.

536
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Speaker 2: No, what do I do? She would never want to

537
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: learn how to fix a car?

538
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: Right, She doesn't want to be a part of my life.

539
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to watch sports with me. And that

540
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: is very, very generalization of men.

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Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, absolutely, but I mean that's the problem too,

542
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: yeah mm hmm. And then yeah, like we said earlier

543
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Speaker 1: that the struggle between this idea that a period makes

544
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Speaker 1: a girl a woman while often still in a young

545
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: child's body, which is unsettling it can be at the

546
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Speaker 1: same time, this threatens the patriarch order of things. If

547
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Speaker 1: the young girl is becoming an independent from her father,

548
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: no longer needing him. Oh wow, then that's scary. She's independent,

549
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: what right? And that might also be why we see

550
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: this father daughter dynamic or our stand in father figure

551
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: protector in so much media. And I know we talked

552
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: in Survival Horror about this, but essentially, like, you can

553
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: have a strong female character in quotes that's really awesome,

554
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: but there's almost always a stronger male character that's protecting her, right.

555
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a disillusioned father who kind of just

556
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: walks away.

557
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

558
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a marker of how good he is

559
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: if he stays around and protects her.

560
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

561
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: But okay, we do have some examples for you. But

562
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Speaker 1: first we're gonna pause for a quick break or word

563
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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor, And

564
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: we're back with Carrie.

565
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: The iconic religious horror movie.

566
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Speaker 2: Yes, and story of course.

567
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: Of course, this is probably one of the most iconic

568
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: examples of what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So this is Stephen King's Carrie.

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Speaker 1: The book came out in nineteen seventy four, and the movie,

571
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: directed by Brian to Palma, debut two years later in

572
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. Sissy Spacek starred as Carrie. It was

573
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Speaker 1: a shy, abused high school girl who was bullied by

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Speaker 1: both her religious mother and her classmates, and when she

575
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Speaker 1: gets her first period in the gym locker room, her

576
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Speaker 1: classmates mock her, they throw tampons at her, they shall

577
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Speaker 1: plug it up, and Carrie, who has never had any

578
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Speaker 1: of this explained to her, believed she was dying. Her

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Speaker 1: mom called it a sign of quote sinful sexual fantasies.

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Speaker 1: And this all happens to coincide with Carrie developing powers,

581
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Speaker 1: of course, telekinetic powers, which are symbolic of her becoming

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Speaker 1: a woman. When a cool prank leaves her doused in

583
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Speaker 1: pig's blood, representing her period, she turns those powers indiscriminately

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Speaker 1: on all in her path in a wave of terrifying

585
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Speaker 1: supernatural violence, as her mom washes the blood off her.

586
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Speaker 1: In the end, she reveals Carrie was the product of

587
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Speaker 1: a rape that her mother quote enjoyed, and that sin

588
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: never dies. Yeah, and I'd never seen this movie when

589
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I wrote it, and I still haven't seen it, much

590
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: to Samantha's chagrin, But I did. I knew most of

591
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Speaker 1: this from memory, so it really left a mark on

592
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Speaker 1: our cultural psyche, and it received several awards. It received

593
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Speaker 1: several nominations and is regularly included on list of the

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Speaker 1: top horror movies of all time.

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, I was very sad to hear you say

596
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Speaker 3: someone who loves horror movies have not seen such an

597
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: iconic movie. You did say you read the book, so

598
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: I'll allow it. But this is definitely of a different beast.

599
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: Not only do you have an innocent girl or in

600
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: this I think she would be called a cinnamon roll

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Speaker 3: with a S I N in a M O N.

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00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: Yes, we learned this.

603
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Speaker 3: I learned this term because of Annie or a parked

604
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: cinnamon roll. You're welcome that develops dark telekinetic powers, but

605
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: a young girl who destroys an entire community without hesitating.

606
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: She goes from victim and turns into a psycho bitch trope.

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Speaker 4: But there is a.

608
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Speaker 3: Second one as well, which I've never seen, but Annie, so.

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Speaker 1: This is also part of Savantha's I seeing the second

610
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Carrie Carrie to Rage Unleashed, I think I have not seen.

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Speaker 2: The first one.

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Speaker 1: I watched Carrie two for the soundtrack, which is just

613
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Speaker 1: as mayors as it sounds.

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00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: I still have a soundcheck all I.

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: Remember is like she was in a pretty red dress

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Speaker 1: at the end and some guy got there's a lot

617
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: of fire, and some guy was like in a pool

618
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Speaker 1: and that you know, the sheet came over it and

619
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Speaker 1: couldn't get out, and it really freaked me out.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's bad, Yeah for sure. Yeah, definitely fire cleansing

621
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: like that. There's a lot of like symbolism within the story.

622
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: We know this, between the blood and the fire and

623
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Speaker 3: the crucifixes as well as crucifying her mother essentially.

624
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: So if you haven't seen this movie already.

625
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: Why haven't you any Sorry, but unless you don't like horror,

626
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: which is fine. Also, yes, we're talking about nineteen seventies movies,

627
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 3: so spoiler.

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Speaker 4: Alert, I guess if you have it heard about it

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Speaker 4: at all.

630
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Speaker 3: But yeah, the whole idea with this is so symbolic

631
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: throughout it's pretty much hit you over the head. But

632
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: he does turn what would be the innocent victim into

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Speaker 3: a very quickly evil woman. Even the jump scared at

634
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Speaker 3: the end, which was fairly new, that kind of jump scare,

635
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Speaker 3: So it got me too when I watched it as

636
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Speaker 3: a kid. I think it was at a slumber party,

637
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Speaker 3: typical slumber party Oh my god, it's such a girl

638
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: trope right there. Yeah, and scared the hell out of us.

639
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: I think all the little girls screamed. We were in

640
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: seventh grade, sixth or seventh grade, we're like God because

641
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Speaker 3: of the perfect jump scare.

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Speaker 4: But you do.

643
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: It has this whole thing of you have characters who

644
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: are sympathetic and are really caring and in the end

645
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 3: really hope for the best for her and are so

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Speaker 3: excited for her.

647
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Speaker 4: However she does not care. Everyone must go.

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Speaker 3: It kind of has that this is everyone's fault, which

649
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: again kind of turns your view on her. Yea, even

650
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Speaker 3: when she does go home to her mom begging for

651
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: some sympathy and love and ends up getting you know,

652
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Speaker 3: almost murdered by her mother. And so it does have

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Speaker 3: this whole level of conversation of how do we see

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Speaker 3: these girls wire periods, the evil that comes upon us,

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Speaker 3: and then who in the end is innocent?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean clearly we're I don't know if

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Speaker 1: oversimplifying is the right word, because there is a lot

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Speaker 1: going on. You know, you do have that religious aspect,

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Speaker 1: you do have to blame the mother aspect, and like

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Speaker 1: her becoming you can read it as she becomes a

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Speaker 1: woman and then yeah, it's a traumatic experience and then.

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Speaker 2: Unleashes this hell within her.

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Speaker 1: But she also was abused, so there's that aspect of

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Speaker 1: it too. And when I was telling Samantha why I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it, I do have an anxiety, like a

666
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: legit anxiety around this kind of horror that's like a

667
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: bullying abuse, religion, and like womanhood.

668
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: Because we talked about several movies you hadn't seen that

669
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: are more of the psycho bitstrope, and realizing you've not

670
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: seen any of those, even though they are considered horror.

671
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: For one, yep, which I'm still confused by, I will

672
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: say that, but it has a whole different layer of

673
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: your involving your psyche and your your darkest fears or

674
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: even personal experiences, which makes a whole lot more sense

675
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: of like, oh, I get it, this is why because I.

676
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 4: Think Hush was one of them.

677
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 3: We don't we're not going to talk about that, but

678
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: it's definitely like a murder thriller, stalker ish movie which

679
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: you don't really know much of this woman's background, but

680
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: you just watch it in real time essentially. So yeah,

681
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: but stuff like that you don't watch and the strangers,

682
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: which all have that fear, which in your mind, some

683
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: of these are based on true.

684
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 4: Stories, so it's like this really could happen.

685
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what gets me.

686
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: I think I really like I like the clear oh no,

687
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: this is not the real world stuff. Not that I

688
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: haven't watched plenty of those, but I think these are

689
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: because I.

690
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: Have these anxieties. They're so close to home. Yeah.

691
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: But speaking of like plague on your worst Fears and

692
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Stephen King.

693
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Speaker 3: I will say this is probably one of my biggest

694
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: fears and the reason why I am afraid of freaking

695
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: clowns is because of this movie. So Stephen Keen tackles

696
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: the fears of girls becoming women and the peer that

697
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: comes with it. Is it that so you have it

698
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 3: as a conversation about women imperiods. And I didn't really

699
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: think about it because I don't know if I've ever

700
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: finished the early series, like when it came out in

701
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: the early nineties, because I couldn't get past the clown

702
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: Tim Curry as the freaking clown and those teeth. Yeah,

703
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: But in the newer movies I did see it in

704
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: which they do talk about the main female character and

705
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: her period and her becoming a woman and then the

706
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: relationship she has with her father.

707
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

708
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Speaker 3: So in the most recent movie of Beverly, Marsha's greatest

709
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: fear is that very thing and the pain it brought

710
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: her via the sexual abuse from her father. When he

711
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: discovered she had her first period, he said she was

712
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: a woman now and very creepily sniffed her hair. Is

713
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: a little different in the book, which I've never read

714
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: the book either, again, clown in a story.

715
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: I was over it.

716
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: And there's even a scene where she stares at a

717
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: wall of tampons and pass out a pharmacy before choosing one,

718
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: and then gets leered at by the older male pharmacist

719
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: when she checks out again.

720
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Speaker 4: This is whole like, yeah, yeah, it's not just the

721
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: fact that.

722
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: There's this almost invitation of like, I'm sexual now, which

723
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: is so untrue.

724
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: I've definitely had this exact moment at the store where

725
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: it's a male cashier and they're checking you out and

726
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: they give you this look like yeah, yeah gross.

727
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

728
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: And then one scene, Beverly is in the bathroom, which

729
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: was very horrifying, leaning over a sink with blood explodes

730
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: out from the drain, completely drenching her and the bathroom

731
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: in Crimson Blood. And honestly, I feel like I've seen

732
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: scenes like this a lot growing up, because I.

733
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: Watched a lot of horror movies and it never clicked

734
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 4: with me.

735
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, what that truly was representing, And like I thought

736
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: people just had a phobia about blood, which.

737
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: Is true, but this is the part of this whole thing.

738
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolute, They're like, oh God, you're bleeding and

739
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: there's no cause for it. This seems unnatural because we

740
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: see that as a warning of something bad is happening

741
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: to your body. This is repeated in chapter two, by

742
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: the way, I have not seen that win, when a

743
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: now adult Beverly is trapped in a bathroom stall as

744
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: blood gushes and rises around her, her father and the

745
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: pharmis is trying to break in.

746
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: So if if somehow you're not familiar with it, it is

748
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: this alien entity that transforms into your greatest fear and

749
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: feeds on your fear. So and at the end of

750
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: chapter chapter two, they're all having to face their greatest fears.

751
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: And so now Beverly as an adult, there's just blood

752
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: all around her, and these men who kind of tormented

753
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: her made her this object of sexual fantasy when she

754
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: was young, or trying to get into the bathroom stall.

755
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: And you know, apparently Stephen King has some kind.

756
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: Of uh I guess he likes coming of age things

757
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: in general, and right coming.

758
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: Out stand by me as one of his like sweet movies, yeah,

759
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: about boys coming together, but then also death.

760
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just interesting that these examples do involve

761
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: the period so much. And then you know the Shining Everybody,

762
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: which notoriously he hates that movie, but that scene with

763
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: all the blood coming out, everybody uses that as a

764
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: joking gift, like, my period's here, right right. Yeah, But

765
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: let's move on from Stephen King from now and talk

766
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: about Ginger Snaps, which is.

767
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: A movie I love.

768
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 4: I love that movie.

769
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: So this was made in two thousand and It marries

771
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: a teenage girl getting her first period with her becoming

772
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: a werewolf, like getting hair in new places, acting out

773
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: of character, more volatile, painting her sexuality in a very

774
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: monstrous way. But it's very self aware, it's on purpose.

775
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: It's definitely commenting on this whole thing of when you

776
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: get your period, when you become a woman, then you

777
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: become this monster, like a werewolf. The movie's tagline is

778
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: they don't call it the Curse for nothing.

779
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: So have you seen any of the sequels?

780
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: No?

781
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't either. I haven't either.

782
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm just afraid of sequels, which is why I'm always

783
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: horrified and when people watch it out of sync because

784
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: it's not as good.

785
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Typically sometimes sometimes there you know what I think I

786
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: feel like in trilogy is the second one is better

787
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: usually but.

788
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: Not a planned Yes, I feel like it's planned more

789
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 3: likely however.

790
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, the.

791
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: Main character of this movie is actually in the Netflix.

792
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 4: Series about were wolves. Oh really witches.

793
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I thought that was hilarious because I've not

794
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: seen her much recently in many things, but people who

795
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: are very very iconic and noticeable, and to me in

796
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: the whole, like loving horror movies, she's iconic. The young girl.

797
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: She plays this character as a witch. She's not a

798
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: were wolf. But the fact that she's in this movie

799
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: always like ah, tongue in cheek type of thing may

800
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: not be on purpose whatever, But if you haven't seen

801
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: this movie, you absolutely should.

802
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: And if you like horror movies, yes then yes.

803
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: The crash it was really funny because we had our

804
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: listener Cat Hey Kat, send us a link on Twitter

805
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: about the remake of the Craft, and as soon as

806
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: she did that, I think it was a few days

807
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: later that the.

808
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: Trailer came out.

809
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: And of course one of the big scenes is a

810
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: period scene which is not really like it's I don't

811
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: know if it's part of the movie obviously we haven't

812
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: seen it, but this was definitely not a part of

813
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: the original Craft, so we it was interesting, So shout

814
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: out to that, and I wonder what this is synchronous?

815
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: It was odd, right, we were like literally researching this

816
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: every night.

817
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: Happened.

818
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: So we do have a little bit more for you listeners,

819
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: but first we have one more quick break for word

820
00:41:47,600 --> 00:42:03,040
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821
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: Thank you sponsor. And we just wanted to wrap this up,

822
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: I suppose.

823
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Speaker 1: So when I was thinking about this and doing the research,

824
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: I do think horror movies at large, when I joke

825
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: about semi joke about how they're all about male writers

826
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: fears around periods, I think what I actually mean is

827
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: they're all about male writers fears, and you know, all

828
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: of our fears around women and periods have often been

829
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: symbolic of womanhood. Now again, I know we've been hopefully

830
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: in what was clearly a vocal air quote saying becoming

831
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: a woman. We've been saying that throughout but again, you

832
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: don't have to have periods to become a woman. But

833
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: it is something that we've seen in our culture and

834
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: in our.

835
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: Media a lot.

836
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: And I do think the horror genre is intrinsically tied

837
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: to women and our fears around it.

838
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: That just makes sense to me.

839
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd ever really put it together like

840
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: I'd always sent like, this genre is about final girls,

841
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: and this genre is about pregnant women giving birth to

842
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: evil babies. And you know, I never thought about, in

843
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: like the whole scheme of horror, how much.

844
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: Of it is about women girls.

845
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: Because yeah, you and I have had many conversations because

846
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: I love those movies about you know, hauntings and you know,

847
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: possessions and all of that, because it's nice and scared.

848
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: But when you look at it, a chunk of it

849
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 4: has to do.

850
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: With a mother who's lost a baby who's haunting someone,

851
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: or a mother who didn't who didn't want children and

852
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: sacrifice them, is haunting someone.

853
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: And it's always the mother.

854
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: It's always the mother doing something, whether it's going after

855
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: the mother or the mother is going after a child.

856
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: It's very link, but it is it's that whole overall.

857
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: It's not just one generation of things, it's all the things.

858
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: So when we talk about and we're going too soon,

859
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: we're talking about them fatales.

860
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 4: That's the single woman. Oh my god, be.

861
00:43:53,400 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: Scared, terrified, terrifying. I strike so much fear in the hearts.

862
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: Of men, and all of the points that we've discussed

863
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: in our previous episodes on horror movies, there's been this

864
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: tension of badass final girls, or you know, even in

865
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: video games, we're talking about badass protagonists that you can play,

866
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: but a lot of the messaging behind them is still

867
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: very rigid and sexist. These pieces of entertainment are primarily

868
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: created by men, not at all, not all of them.

869
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: There are some amazing women creating in this genre and

870
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: also primarily created for the male gaze.

871
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: So it's empowering in a way that.

872
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Women's bodies do inspire so much fear, but that's only

873
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: because women's and girls' bodies have been so stigmatized throughout history.

874
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: And when you think about how these movies and pieces

875
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: of entertainment do reflect real world fears, largely male fears

876
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: that still impact and shame so many women to this day,

877
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: that still keep women marginalized. It's a different story. Yeah,

878
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: you just have to.

879
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

880
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: I've always had that weird tension, especially when I did

881
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: one of the first episodes I did on this show

882
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: is about Final Girls, and I got so torn about

883
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: it because you are getting this messaging that you know,

884
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: to survive, to be a good woman, you have to

885
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: be a virgin and like not smoke, not drink, and

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Speaker 1: be white and brown hair. And you know, they survive,

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Speaker 1: but they survive in this like patriarchal definition, and they're

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Speaker 1: terrorized for it, Like they're tormented for it, and they

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Speaker 1: lose everything for it. And another piece of this I

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Speaker 1: do think is not even taking the time to understand women,

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Speaker 1: especially if they don't fit the demure caricature we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to fit in.

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Speaker 2: Like again, you know, she's mad at me, she must

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Speaker 2: be possessed or on her period.

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Speaker 1: Any behavior that's not fitting into this patriarchal, like gender

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Speaker 1: conforming box is threatening and scary and something to be

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Speaker 1: punish because horror movies are largely about punishment for breaking

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Speaker 1: societal norms right or in this case, and the one

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today for being a woman at all.

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Speaker 3: Or it's a cautionary tale of if you do this,

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Speaker 3: this is what happens to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your sexuality will get you punished unless you do

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Speaker 1: it in the right quote unquote way.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, I guess we have a lot to say about

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Speaker 1: horror movies and periods.

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Speaker 2: But that's well. We'll stop for today for.

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Speaker 3: Today, but continue on because it is October and we

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Speaker 3: love these themes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes we do.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's so many other movies we could

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Speaker 1: have talked about, so if we missed one, please send

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Speaker 1: it our way. You can email us at Stuff Media,

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Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You or on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks it's always to our

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Speaker 1: super producer Andrew Howard, and thanks to you for listening.

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